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Quitting Corporate For Philosophy - The Quang Nguyen Story | The Christian Reeve Podcast #367 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of Christian Reeve
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  Podcast. Today's guest is a YouTube and
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  most importantly A philosopher, a modern day philosopher amongst
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  us. His name is Kwang.
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  Welcome to the show. How you doing?
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  I'm doing well. Thank you very much for having
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  me, Christian. It's.
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  A pleasure to have you here, man.
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  You've got an interesting story. I, I want to kind of break it
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  down first. I don't want to kind of do the
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  big reveal just yet. I want to kind of like slowly go
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  from the beginning to where you're at now.
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  So for those who do know, you can have to wait a second.
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  You had a remote job. What was that job?
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  That job was in the cannabis industry in Canada.
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  I led the procurement team there.
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  So anything that came into the facilities, whether it be
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  cannabis or machinery or other goods that would go into the
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  products, that all fell under my umbrella.
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  Wow. And and in which state is this
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  in the United States? Yeah.
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  This is in Canada. It's in Canada.
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  So in yes, in Canada, the cannabis industry has been legal
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  for almost almost 10 years now, and it's grown significantly
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  since then. Yeah.
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  God damn. So it's quite interesting in
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  that role. I do believe that now this is
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  without any empirical evidence because the companies don't
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  share this, but based on my experience in the industry, I do
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  believe that I was the largest legal private buyer of cannabis
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  in the. World.
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  No way. Yeah.
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  How much cannabis were you moving?
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  Truckloads. We were bringing truckloads into
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  our facilities. Oh, the company that I started
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  was there. It was Multif Labs.
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  They were purchased by Organogram without when I, which
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  is a company that I eventually moved over into.
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  But Multif Labs didn't have their own cannabis growing
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  capabilities yet. They were the number one leading
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  brand, number one and multiple brands of the in the vape space.
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  So we'd have to buy a bunch of cannabis.
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  We saw the juice out of it and put into our vapes and we
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  weren't only feeling base for ourselves, we were also feeling
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  base for some of our partners as well.
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  So just based on that and based on my understanding of the
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  movement of the, it's really a commodity, right.
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  So based on my understanding of the movement of the commodity, I
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  I do believe that we were the large Spire.
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  And in terms of the last sort of 10 years, would you say it's
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  more successful now than it was 10 years ago?
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  Because obviously that the initial interest and the fact
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  that it was unique. I don't, I don't know that
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  there's ever any other countries that have made it like fully
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  legal. Like I know in the States,
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  they've got kind of certain states are allowed there, but
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  not, I know it's fully legal in, in California.
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  Here in the UK, it's it's completely illegal.
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  But you can get it under like the doctor's note.
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  You can sort of get like medical grade.
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  The fun fact, years ago, Theresa May, who was a Prime Minister
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  here, I think she even like had a slot in a company or she was
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  the CEO of a company that was one of the largest producers of
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  cannabis in like Europe or something like that.
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  It's pretty crazy. And she, from what I understand,
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  you don't hold me to this, but from what I understand, when she
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  was in government, as many politicians do, she kind of made
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  some moves, investments that would benefit her business later
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  on. Yeah, it's expected these days,
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  right? If either like do you know what
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  I mean? It's it's like insider trading
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  it. 100% is, yeah, it 100% is, especially if you're in a
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  position where you can make the rules that benefit you.
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  If there's no pushback from the institutions or from the public,
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  then there's not much downside in in making those moves.
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  To know we live in, we live in a time where you can get like
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  terrorized for stuff you did like 15 years ago.
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  OK, here in the UK, we, there's a radio host that just got done
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  for some relationship he had like 10 plus years ago, which
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  I've not delved into it, but it sounds dodgy.
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  But it's crazy that like that, that that can happen and you
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  have to think about that. You know, I, I, I hold a
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  different view. I, I, I find it not crazy.
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  I find it almost expected. OK, well, let's say you're 15
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  years old and you do something stupid on the Internet, which is
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  a daily occurrence, and 10 years from now, when you're in a job
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  important position, someone digs that up and goes quang.
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  When you were 15, you said this, therefore you should lose your
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  job, your livelihood, everything.
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  We're going to cancel you to Timbuktu.
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  I don't agree with it. I'm saying I don't agree with
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  it, but the expectation that people will use anything that
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  they have to gain advantage. In this case, I don't know the
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  specific situation, but I imagine he had enemies or people
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  that wanted him to fall and for them to go and dig stuff up and
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  use it as a method to attack him I think is expected.
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  Yeah, Oh, definitely. Especially in politics and stuff
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  like that. It's yeah, it's what it's what
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  they do. But I, I don't like it because
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  originally it began as a way of, of it's visibly cancel gorge or
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  was a way of like targeting predators, which I was like,
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  great, yeah, let's get them, let's just expose them.
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  Fantastic, right. But then it turned into this
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  like witch hunt thing where it's like, well, let's just dig dirt
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  on anyone that ever made a mistake ever.
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  And it's like I challenge you to find a human being that has not
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  made a mistake at some point in their life.
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  You know, no one's perfect. We're defined by the.
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  Choice. We all have to sell the illusion
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  that we're perfect. We don't have to, but you're
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  right. So I think social media really
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  does push that. I don't buy into it.
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  I I buy into authenticity. You know, you be real with
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  people and the real ones will find you.
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  I have no interest in these people that create like, I mean,
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  that influence is the blame, you know, I mean, they, the
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  influence has really let us down because as the name suggests,
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  they were supposed to influence people, and they do.
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  But they don't influence people in a meaningful way, like, like
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  a Tony Robbins way, you know, or Tim Robbins, can't remember the
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  guy's name. You know, the guy that does all
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  the public speaking. Yeah.
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  Great guy. I would challenge you on that,
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  Christian, right? So I would say that what
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  influencers and what these people are doing is they're
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  giving the audience what they want.
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  So the reality is, is that the audience is the one that's
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  feeding into this and feeling it.
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  If the audience were more, let's say informed, then they would
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  not be consuming the the content of the influencers and pushing
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  them. If you're in a position of
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  influence and you're someone who can invoke change and people
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  look up to you, it's absolutely your responsibility to set the
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  benchmark, to set the standard, and to educate your audience.
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  Consider the fact that like people in your.
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  Audience morally might be correct, but the reality is
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  that's typically not how it works.
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  The reality is that somebody. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I'm not doing. You're right, that is exactly
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  how it works. I just disagree with the
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  morality and the decisions because if I had a big audience
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  like that, I would be trying to kind of push people to do
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  positive things with their lives.
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  You know, like, hey, go out and do more charity work or hey,
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  better yourself or you know, believe in yourself.
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  Like positive things Not hey buy into my crypto scam and give me
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  all your money and shit and like I'm 100.
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  Percent with you like the the Guru Grifter stuff.
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  Not really into it, but unfortunately it is.
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  It dominates the Internet because it works.
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  I just hate that because that's just, you know, as you say,
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  that's what people want it. It reflects on society.
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  And it's like, so like, you know, I had criticisms about
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  like the show being long. I've had this in the past.
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  Shout out to Vilma. She she's one of one of my good
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  friends and followers has said over the years, like, well, how
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  why don't you shorten the podcast, make it shorter, make
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  it like more consumable to the average person.
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  And I'm like, listen, if the average person can't stand to
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  listen to something for like more than half an hour, hour,
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  whatever, that's their problem. I've seen, I saw a video the
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  other day, Oh my God, it was like a minute long.
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  And the person that posted it was apologizing.
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  Go Oh my God. So I'm so sorry.
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  This is such a long video, but I had to post it blah, blah, blah.
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  And I'm like a minute is too long.
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  What? Yeah, that's been wild.
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  I would say that your length is fine.
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  If you look at the top 2 podcasts in the world, they're
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  like what, Joe Rogan and Diary CEO or something like that, and
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  they're both 2 1/2 to 3 hours long for episode.
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  I think as long as you're able to keep the audience engaged for
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  that longer, it isn't really an issue.
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  Realistic there as well. Most people will consume your
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  podcast through clips. That's just fact.
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  OK. I'd be a hypocrite if I sat here
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  and said I didn't consume most of the podcasts that I like
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  through clips more so than like sitting down and fully listening
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  to it. And I've said on previous shows
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  that a lot of the time when you when you deep dive on a, on a
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  podcast, you've got in the background, you've got it
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  elsewhere. You're not fully just sat down
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  listening to it, right? Unless you're just a hardcore
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  podcast fan, in which case, right on, man.
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  But But yeah, generally that's, that's how it's consumed.
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  But I, I just, it's just disappointing to me, like the
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  the attention span being so small and because it is
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  something you have to work at that we can, it's something.
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  That I question all the time, which is, you know, given the
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  Internet, given how much information is out there, why is
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  it that society does not move in a way that's more like not
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  necessarily truth seeking, but more truth knowing?
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  And the conclusion I came to is this.
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  There's so much information that's so hard to distinguish
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  between what's actually true and what's actually just not
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  necessarily false information, but not valuable information.
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  Wow, it's true. Yeah.
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  No, I mean, you'll find more truth in on like, Reddit than
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  you will on the news channels, you know, as crazy as it is.
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  But at the same time, as you say, everything is you've got to
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  look at it and be like, is this fake?
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  Is this AI? Is this real?
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  Is this, I don't know. I don't trust anything on the
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  Internet and I'm a big believer in like dead Internet theory.
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  I think that like a lot of what we see now is just bots and just
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  rage baiting and not real. And it's scary now that you're
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  seeing like there's profiles that I see sometimes and I don't
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  know if it's a real person or not.
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  It's gotten to that point now where normally there's some
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  telltale signs in videos and pictures.
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  With pictures it's easier, I feel.
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  But we have gotten to that point now where you're questioning, so
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  like second guessing. And that's obviously going to
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  lead to eventually when scammers get a little bit more
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  intelligent, they're going to use that, they're going to
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  utilize that, and they're going to be very successful.
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  Yeah, they already are, right? I see posts of like phishing
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  scams where they're using AI posts to try to get people to
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  send them money. Now it's the evolution of like
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  the, the the scams that came from some of the Eastern
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  countries where they pretend to be whatever it was a Prince or
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  whatnot. And I need money to do this in
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  order to come see you. Yeah, it's it's an evolution of
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  that. But now they're using AI and
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  they're using like pictures of very attractive women to scam
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  these people. It's just terrifying, man.
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  I mean, yeah, I knew it was a matter of time.
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  But when I started seeing like, because I've been, I've been
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  talking about AI for, since I started podcasting, years and
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  years and years, I predicted a lot of this.
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  My biggest sort of prediction, which hasn't come to fruition
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  yet, but it's, it's kind of starting to, is this idea of
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  like AI generated content versus human generated content.
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  I actually saw the term used the other day.
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  And now bear in mind, I'm, I'm not saying I'm the first person
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  that ever said human generated, right?
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  But you know, years ago, in like 2020, people weren't saying it.
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  They come in mainstream, right? Yeah, yeah, screw it.
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  I coined it that I saw it used in reference to this.
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  And someone was going like, oh, what will people really care
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  about in a few years? Human generated and AI
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  generated. And I'm like, this is this is
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  where we've got to man. This is where it's it's come
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  after all this time, we're we're getting into the debate sphere.
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  And if you look at music is probably the best example right
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  now because you got AI music being produced, you got major
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  artists using AI. For instance, Kanye West or yay
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  released a project recently and heavily, heavily used AI in that
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  project. And there's a lot of pushback
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  against it. It's like, well, you know, is
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  that right? Is it OK?
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  I think a bit of experimentation is one thing, but when you're
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  like using it to replicate your own voice or to, I mean like you
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  see with YouTube videos as well. I'm sure you've come across
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  this, you know, like how long you been doing YouTube now
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  roughly? Oh, my first video came out
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  August of last year, but I really took it full time this
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  year in January. We'll we'll deep dive into that
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  in a second, but one thing I want to ask you is have you seen
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  these adverts for like avatar cloning?
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  So it's like clone your voice, clone yourself, you know, and
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  basically get AI to do the content for you.
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  Yeah, and quite honestly, if I were able to get AI to produce
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  videos of the quality of equal or greater than mine, I'd
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  probably do it. Why?
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  OK, I'm going to heavily disagree.
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  With you, why it at the end of the day, it becomes, it comes
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  down to what does the market want, right?
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  And if the market can't distinguish between AI and
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  what's real and they're consuming AI content and it
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  becomes faster and cheaper to produce AI content, then becomes
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  the optimal strategy to to do that, right?
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  If the market ends up wanting human content, then you should
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  deliver human content. If the market wants AI content,
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  then you should deliver AI content.
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  It's a full circle right now. AI is a fad.
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  It's, it's, it's like people love it.
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  It's people love an excuse to be lazy.
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  And that's what this is. It enables people to be creative
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  that didn't have a creative bone in their body.
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  It enables people to basically just be lazy asses and sit there
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  and just type into prompts and you know, oh, it makes the money
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  for me. I don't have to think, I can
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  just sit here and vegetate and do nothing.
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  But yeah, I would challenge that a little bit because how was a
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  good analogy here? I mean, maybe analogy is not the
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  proper, proper thing to use, but at the end of the day, there is
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  going to be skill involved, right?
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  People who are bad at making AI content are going to produce
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  that slop. People will eventually become
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  better at making AI content and they'll be able to make like
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  full motion films and whatnot that are of higher quality, that
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  are engaging. And then it becomes a matter of
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  what skills are required to make those type of content.
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  Like from my point of view will be something like storytelling.
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  You know, someone who's more knowledgeable in things like
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  composition will be able to make a better AI film than someone
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  who isn't. And the great thing about AI is
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  that it lowers that barrier to entry where people who don't
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  have access to, you know, a team of animators and don't have
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  access to a lot of the tools that were required to make
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  movies in the past, they can use.
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  They can, let's say, build the tools, build the skills of
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  composition, the skills of storytelling and whatnot, and
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  use AI to make a very compelling video or movie.
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  I think for me I have to disagree as an artist because
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  for me art comes from the soul. It's about explaining the human
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  experience from the experience of a person.
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  And AI basically just takes already existing content and
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  remakes it. It doesn't come from a place of
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  human experience. Like you will never be able to
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  see an AI band, an AI artist. You you might be able to see
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  like a hologram. You know in the future a use an
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  AI generated concept that you won't see a real human being, a
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  living, breathing person who actually wrote about those
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  emotions that they're talking about in their song and put them
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  out there. Same with the film.
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  What I think that you're doing is I think that you're taking
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  the the the shortest path there, which is you type into an AI
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  prompt, Hey, make me a song and it makes a song.
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  But I'm thinking more so this. Is what most people are doing.
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  I hear what you're saying because it's one thing to use it
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  as a tool and like I'm not completely discounting
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  everything you're saying using it as in parts of elements to
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  things like I use AI with the podcast, you know, So I'm not
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  going to sit here and say it's not completely a usable tool or
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  it doesn't help you achieve certain goals.
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  Like taking my example with the podcast, I use it kind of as
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  like a studio assistant. So essentially like it'll
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  generate notes for me, it'll generate clips for me, and then
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  I go through everything and check everything and see if I'm
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  happy with it. And then I do my own editing.
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  And that way it's like having an assistant.
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  I can't afford to pay an assistant, but I can't afford to
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  have an AI assistant. But the crucial thing, the the
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  point of contention, I guess for me and I think many artists is
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  using it as a tool versus using it as a creationary thing, a
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  creation tool. As in I type into a prompt and
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  it makes the thing for me. And then I just post that, which
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  is what a lot of people are doing.
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  And that's what's the problem with.
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  Yeah. And I think that's that's a
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  phase. I might be incorrect here, but I
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  do think that's a phase. I think we're it's going to
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  become much more fine-tuned and more of a craft as time moves
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  along. Consider consider this.
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  This is a a project that I intend on working on eventually,
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  but I really bad at animating. I'm very bad at animating.
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  I'm very bad at drawing. And I could spend a bunch of
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  time to learn those skills to create like a short video or I
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  can use AI to create the video for me, but the video like it
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  hits my beats. Is that my pacing?
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  It's the story that I want to tell line for line.
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  AI might help me write the script or something like that,
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  but the main purpose of me using AI is to fill in the animation
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  gap that I skill gap that I don't have.
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  Would it not be more rewarding to have built those skills on
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  your own and know that everything came from you as
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  opposed to a computer system? No, I don't think so, because my
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  goal is to get the product out, not to get better and not to get
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  good animation. My goal is to tell the story,
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  not to, not to learn how to draw.
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  For me as an artist, this is like you're ripping my heart
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  out. I understand from a business
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  perspective. And it's not me business.
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  It's just like I'm getting like your mindset now, but I'm I'm a
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  bit like we'll never agree on this.
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  Like I, I believe that the story I have to tell is very
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  compelling. Like I at least in my head, it
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  seems like a really interesting story that a lot of people
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  enjoy, but. That's not what I have an issue
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  with. Yeah.
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  That part is the part I care about because I'm like, oh,
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  cool, a story that comes from your mind.
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  Fantastic. I want to hear that story.
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  It's just the way in which that story is told.
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  For example, if it's a story about your life, just for
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  argument's sake, and we we shoot it as a film with real actors
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  and you know, you're, you're on set and you're advising
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  etcetera, right? For instance, I saw.
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  I saw. It was it like a, it was a
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  really, really old Bruce Lee biopic from like the 80s, I
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  think. And it was like shot kind of
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  like classic Kung Fu movies, like karate movies and stuff.
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  I was amazed. I'd never seen it.
• 20:19
  But the point is like it, it was very faithful to him.
• 20:24
  The guy looked a lot like him, a little bit too tall, but looked
• 20:28
  like him. And they did good casting and
• 20:30
  like everything. You could tell that they put a
• 20:32
  lot of time and effort into, like, making sure this was
• 20:34
  pretty faithful. Yeah, there were artistic, silly
• 20:37
  things in there and whatnot, things you'd expect a lot of.
• 20:41
  It felt more like a Jackie Chan film, really, than a sort of
• 20:43
  Bruce Lee project. But it was supposed to just be
• 20:46
  about his life. And apparently it's like 8990%
• 20:51
  on, which is pretty cool. Anyway, telling a story like
• 20:55
  that, like a biopic using AII, just feel like AI should only
• 21:02
  ever be used as a tool to preserve certain things or to
• 21:06
  fix certain things. Like when the beat was used in
• 21:08
  that song to kind of fix certain elements that are they're never
• 21:12
  going to get John Lennon to come back.
• 21:14
  So that's the only way they can unearth that.
• 21:16
  But the difference is he created a thing and AI enhanced that
• 21:20
  thing and like fleshed it out. That's great, that's perfect.
• 21:25
  Or when you need to like de age someone, something like that.
• 21:29
  I think things like that as a tool, as a an assistant tool, it
• 21:32
  can be a fascinating thing, a brilliant tool.
• 21:35
  But when it is literally just create this thing for me because
• 21:39
  I'd rather just have an image rather than pay an artist to do
• 21:43
  this. I always have an issue with
• 21:47
  that. You know, I just, it lacks
• 21:49
  heart. It lacks soul in my opinion.
• 21:52
  Well, I, I think we're going to have to let the marks decide
• 21:54
  that, right? If the markets end up agree,
• 21:56
  disagreeing with you and consuming much of AI content,
• 21:58
  that's definitely going to be the way that that, that thing
• 22:01
  things move. But I don't think that AI is
• 22:04
  good enough to, to like turn a prompt into something that most
• 22:08
  people will desire, at least not yet.
• 22:10
  So I do think that currently a lot of it will have to be
• 22:14
  crafted by the person behind the prompts.
• 22:17
  You said a point in person that I think is important and it's
• 22:20
  what I've sort of talked about in the past, which is, you know,
• 22:23
  a point where there'll be desire for human generated content.
• 22:26
  You struck me as a businessman. You came from a business
• 22:28
  background. I come from a business
• 22:29
  background too. We understand that everything is
• 22:31
  in cycles. Everything is life cycles.
• 22:36
  The AI life cycle will eventually get to a point where
• 22:40
  people will get bored. That's just what human beings
• 22:42
  are like. And there will be a clamouring
• 22:46
  for human content. Now that'll be an interesting
• 22:49
  point because the two will be actively competing with each
• 22:53
  other. And then it'll be a case of
• 22:56
  like, how do you differentiate? How do you distinguish what
• 22:59
  makes human content better than AI and vice versa?
• 23:04
  So of use right now is the argument for AI and the fact
• 23:08
  that you can just easily do things.
• 23:10
  Part of the beauty of creating and getting good at skills in
• 23:14
  life is this understanding that you have to go through a lot and
• 23:18
  it's going to be difficult and hard, but it's also going to be
• 23:21
  rewarding at the end. Like for instance, when I
• 23:24
  started this podcast, I sucked at interviewing.
• 23:27
  I was terrible at trying to, you know, put a show together.
• 23:30
  I could just about do it, but it felt very, I don't know how to
• 23:35
  put it kind of kind of just like a guy trying to do an interview
• 23:38
  rather than just doing an interview.
• 23:40
  And then over time I. Feel you with, with YouTube,
• 23:42
  right? I'm like, what am I even doing
• 23:44
  here? Like I'm, I have all this stuff.
• 23:45
  I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just putting stuff out.
• 23:47
  But that's how everybody starts, right?
• 23:49
  100 percent, 100%. But this is my point.
• 23:51
  You start not knowing and you learn over time through progress
• 23:55
  and, and practice and then you get good at, you know, and, and
• 24:00
  that's just that, that's the beauty of it.
• 24:03
  You, you have to suck in order to get better.
• 24:06
  I think the problem with with AI where that's concerned is you
• 24:10
  just start at the finish line, but you've not learned anything.
• 24:15
  Now it's like it's, it's like they when they say like, oh,
• 24:18
  losing is better than winning because you learn something.
• 24:21
  You don't learn anything by winning.
• 24:22
  Same. Principle where I would, I, I
• 24:25
  100% agree with you and that's where I think the advantage
• 24:29
  will, the advantage will lie with those who have that
• 24:32
  experience and use AI, not those that skip that experience and
• 24:35
  use AI, which is kind of what we're seeing in the workforce,
• 24:38
  right? The advantage currently lies
• 24:40
  with people that went through the entry level rolls and
• 24:42
  grinded their way and fully understand like either whether
• 24:46
  it be scripting, coding or business or whatever it is, they
• 24:49
  fully understand all of the lower level steps and then
• 24:52
  they're able to use AI to get the most out of it.
• 24:54
  People that jump directly into the end step and use AI to try
• 24:56
  to try to produce products. Based on my observations, those
• 25:00
  products are inferior to those that fully understand the
• 25:02
  process. I think that'll always be true
• 25:05
  as well, simply because you can just get so much more out of
• 25:10
  something if you fully understand it, if you understand
• 25:13
  all of its components 100%. But the average human is lazy
• 25:18
  man. The average human is not going
• 25:19
  to want to put the work in, you know?
• 25:23
  And, and, and I think that's fine, right?
• 25:25
  Because if they don't put the work in and people that do put
• 25:28
  the work in are able to find better success, which is what we
• 25:31
  hope, you know, we, we hope that the, those that with that have,
• 25:34
  that are better at the craft are able to find better success,
• 25:37
  then I, I, I don't see an issue with that.
• 25:39
  I think it's the issue stands more with the type of people
• 25:44
  that are going to be, as I say, created.
• 25:48
  But if you look at where society is at right now, Gen.
• 25:54
  Z, Gen. Alpha, people's attention spans,
• 25:57
  then you look at AI and how lazy people are getting, how
• 26:02
  businesses are using it, etcetera.
• 26:04
  We're getting to a point where people are not willing to put
• 26:08
  the time into learning things. They just simply want to get the
• 26:13
  end results straight away. So we made the point about like
• 26:17
  how you jump to the finish line and everything, but the bigger
• 26:21
  problem is you lack life experience.
• 26:25
  You lack experience in general. Like when I talk to people about
• 26:31
  certain things on this show, I come from a point of
• 26:34
  understanding because I've done a lot in my life so far and I've
• 26:38
  I've really thrown myself out there and I think that makes it
• 26:40
  easier to interview people. So for instance, I can tell that
• 26:43
  you're a business minded person. I can relate to that.
• 26:45
  I came from a business background myself.
• 26:48
  I understand that world and how that world exists and that and
• 26:52
  it looks one way and then the creative world works another
• 26:56
  way. And I can see that you're
• 26:58
  applying what you've learned in business to content and you'll
• 27:01
  likely be very successful doing that because that's like 1 route
• 27:04
  for YouTube is, is like looking at analytics, looking at how to
• 27:08
  do things from a business perspective.
• 27:11
  It's not always foolproof, you know, it's unpredictable, you
• 27:14
  know, as we know with the Internet, like you can just
• 27:16
  throw random stuff and it'll do well and you can put stuff out
• 27:22
  there that seemingly should do well and then flops.
• 27:24
  So it's always unpredictable in that sense.
• 27:28
  But the point is we've both studied in our craft in
• 27:31
  different areas and we understand these things and it
• 27:33
  with their points of reference. Now, when you have 0 experience
• 27:36
  at all and nothing to pull from, you're just a consumer, you're
• 27:42
  not a producer. What do you really have to
• 27:45
  contribute? What do you have to bring to the
• 27:47
  table? That's what I worry about as a
• 27:49
  Society of people that are like that, that are just, they don't
• 27:52
  learn, they don't grow, they don't study, they don't
• 27:54
  research. They just, they're just drones.
• 27:59
  Well, if we don't reward that behavior, right, we don't reward
• 28:04
  behavior that involves not learning, not doing anything,
• 28:07
  then those people shouldn't find success.
• 28:09
  So they they should go to a different path that would
• 28:13
  hopefully get them some kind of success.
• 28:14
  I think that's kind of how I view it.
• 28:16
  They shouldn't get success, but they will get success A.
• 28:21
  Small number of them will, a small number of them will hit
• 28:24
  some kind of algorithmic jackpot and find success that way like
• 28:28
  the Hoktua girl. But that's not going to be the
• 28:31
  norm. And it's almost like chasing a
• 28:33
  lot a lottery ticket, right? Like you're just trying to throw
• 28:35
  stuff out there, hope that you win the lottery.
• 28:36
  It doesn't really work that way. And people will.
• 28:39
  I mean, the hope is that people will discover that and then find
• 28:42
  a way, a different way to to get some value.
• 28:45
  Let's hope. Yeah, I want to bring it back to
• 28:47
  you because already we've had a fun little chat for about half
• 28:50
  an hour and I'm like, I'm getting excited now with this
• 28:54
  remote job. I just want to kind of look at
• 28:57
  remote working as a concept for a second to kind of build.
• 29:03
  We'll get, we'll get there, we'll get there.
• 29:04
  How does remote work compare with an in person job?
• 29:08
  Yeah. So when I was in person, I
• 29:10
  wanted to be remote, but then once I was remote and moved up
• 29:12
  the ladder, I understood that in person is probably more valuable
• 29:15
  for in many ways. So a lot of the growth that I
• 29:18
  had in terms of, you know, being around people, being able to
• 29:22
  talk to people and getting ideas from people that were further
• 29:25
  along in life than me came from being in person.
• 29:27
  Like sitting next to my boss is sitting next to other Co workers
• 29:30
  and absorbing what they had to say immediately was definitely
• 29:34
  beneficial. And I feel that with a lot of
• 29:36
  the remote workers today, they don't get that.
• 29:38
  So they're existing in their own bubble at home doing what doing
• 29:43
  what it is that they that they need to do, but they're not
• 29:45
  growing as much as an individual because they're not exposed to
• 29:48
  everything else. Now mind you, I think that
• 29:50
  commuting is awful and ideally you'd be able to teleport in and
• 29:53
  not have to waste your time commuting.
• 29:55
  But there is a lot of value in being in person that I think is
• 29:58
  lost right now because of the remote culture.
• 30:01
  I think that'll always be the case as well.
• 30:03
  It's it's when you're around it, when you're in the thick of it,
• 30:05
  you always absorb things. Excuse me.
• 30:08
  It's like the classic thing you'd see in in like sitcoms
• 30:11
  where you know, people that are in the smokers area talking to
• 30:15
  the bosses always get the opportunities that others don't.
• 30:20
  Excuse me. Or if you're on the golf course,
• 30:23
  sucking up to the buses, which I don't agree with sucking up.
• 30:25
  I never did that, but more often than not, if you're around said
• 30:29
  people, it's because you're around that you get those
• 30:31
  opportunities. It's not even necessarily that
• 30:33
  you deserve the opportunities, but you're there.
• 30:35
  You're the first port of call. You're the person they think of
• 30:38
  versus, as you rightly put it, when someone's at home in their
• 30:41
  own bubble, does anyone really think about them?
• 30:44
  Probably. Not It also builds trust, right?
• 30:45
  When you're sitting there talking to them, it builds much
• 30:47
  more trust than just responding to messages on teams and
• 30:50
  whatnot. I mean, I, I've always been a
• 30:53
  big supporter of remote work, but I do think in the context of
• 30:56
  a company, it does kind of stand against you, but it depends on
• 31:01
  what your goal is. Like for me, my goal is to work
• 31:04
  from home and hopefully within the fields of like creative
• 31:09
  endeavours. So for me it would be ideal.
• 31:11
  And I, I don't care much for like career progression in a
• 31:16
  company because I've seen what that looks like.
• 31:18
  And you really got to commit yourself fully to it.
• 31:22
  And there's a lot of negatives that come with that.
• 31:27
  There's positives, but it's, it's mostly you got to have a
• 31:31
  thick skin. I think you got to be willing to
• 31:34
  play politics, you know, all these different concepts that
• 31:39
  shouldn't have any place within a business world, because
• 31:42
  business should just be about making money and, and you know,
• 31:45
  doing it effectively. But because we're human beings,
• 31:49
  inevitably these these things are going to come into play.
• 31:53
  And like, I remember hearing years ago that most businesses
• 31:56
  decisions are made like from a place of emotion or something.
• 32:00
  And it's true. It is true.
• 32:04
  Like let's say that you are able to work completely in the
• 32:08
  creative space. Eventually when you hire
• 32:10
  somebody, would you not want them to be there with you so
• 32:12
  that you can bounce ideas back and forth with them or would you
• 32:15
  prefer for both of you to be working remotely?
• 32:18
  Because I've thought about this myself and if I were or when I
• 32:20
  do eventually hire people, I would like to have some face to
• 32:23
  FaceTime with them. And when I look at other
• 32:25
  Youtubers like Marcus Brownlee and Dami who is an architecture
• 32:30
  YouTube, they all have in person teams because of that.
• 32:33
  I think realistically the IT really comes down to what you
• 32:40
  require from people. I mean, there's different ways
• 32:44
  you can do it. Like I think hybrid is a good
• 32:45
  model. I think giving people the option
• 32:47
  is a good model, but it depends on what their job is.
• 32:49
  Some jobs need to be done physically.
• 32:52
  I think collaboration, working on projects, you can do it where
• 32:57
  it's like a couple of days together and then the rest is a
• 33:01
  part. I think that's good and also
• 33:03
  builds excitement for working together because that's one of
• 33:06
  the issues with like working in an office or whatever is, is it
• 33:09
  gets very like frustrating sometimes it's good to be away
• 33:13
  from that and then come back with a fresh head and, and stuff
• 33:15
  like that. Whereas when you're trapped in
• 33:18
  it, you're in it. There's no way of getting out of
• 33:19
  it. But I think there's a lot to be
• 33:21
  said for what you're saying. I think that it does depend on
• 33:24
  on what you're looking for and the type of work that you want
• 33:28
  to do with people. Some things can only be done in
• 33:31
  person. I, I don't like, I don't like
• 33:34
  the way the remote work is being positioned now as a bad thing.
• 33:38
  Like, you know, people are getting lazy.
• 33:40
  Like you have to remember, like what it's given people, for some
• 33:43
  people, it's given them more time with their families.
• 33:45
  It's given people you know it's options that were never
• 33:52
  available before, rather than having everything dictated to
• 33:56
  them. Yeah, I 100% agree with you.
• 33:58
  I think that, like I said, the biggest thing is commuting.
• 34:00
  For a lot of people, commuting is just a waste of time.
• 34:03
  And I think when you look at some of the happiness studies
• 34:06
  regarding working, the the further you're commuted, the
• 34:09
  less happy you are. Doesn't matter how much money
• 34:11
  you make, if you're just spending two hours a day in
• 34:12
  traffic, you're probably not going to be a happy person.
• 34:15
  So I remember seeing, I can't remember if I, if this is in the
• 34:18
  States, it's usually in the States and they have these
• 34:20
  debates, but we're talking about like how the commute should be
• 34:26
  figured into the pay. And I thought that's an
• 34:28
  interesting concept. And they're like, well,
• 34:30
  technically it's hours that you've dedicated to trying to
• 34:34
  get to work and away from work. And it should be figured in
• 34:38
  because it's like part of that journey.
• 34:41
  And there's different arguments you can make this.
• 34:43
  You could be like, well, you could choose to be closer to, to
• 34:46
  work. That's one argument.
• 34:47
  I think that's fairly valid. There's the argument of hours.
• 34:55
  You know, I know that like when I did marketing, I didn't need
• 34:58
  to be in the office like 9 to 5, eight to five.
• 35:01
  Realistically, I probably, I got, I got most of my work done
• 35:03
  in the first couple of hours and then I was just sat twiddling my
• 35:06
  thumbs the rest of the day. And this is after having looked
• 35:10
  for other work to do, like other projects, you know, I ended up
• 35:14
  like working and just giving myself work because there's just
• 35:17
  nothing to do. So there's that element.
• 35:22
  But I don't know, man. I think really, I don't, I don't
• 35:28
  like how it's being reflected as a bad thing and how people are
• 35:32
  being made out to be lazy and all this.
• 35:34
  And I also don't like how it's used as a bargaining chip.
• 35:37
  That's not good. Like, they're like, oh, as
• 35:40
  expected. Yeah.
• 35:43
  In the UK, like there's one job I saw where it was like, oh, you
• 35:47
  commute as part of your probation for six months even
• 35:52
  though everyone else gets to work hybrid or remote.
• 35:55
  And then after that, we can have a conversation about whether or
• 35:58
  not you get to do it. And it's like, I love being
• 36:01
  funny, but just just let people do it.
• 36:03
  Like what's the issue? It's the issue of trust, right?
• 36:06
  So the first six months is to build that trust, to make sure
• 36:09
  that this isn't from somebody that's just going to be sitting
• 36:11
  at home stealing hours. But that's the thing as well,
• 36:14
  like I it's the, the output versus the, the daily
• 36:20
  expectation, I suppose, right? Everyone knows that no one sits
• 36:25
  at a desk for like 8 hours of the day and works 8 hours of the
• 36:28
  day. You work probably like 5 or 6
• 36:31
  hours and the rest of the time is spent having chats, coffee
• 36:36
  breaks, water breaks you need to get.
• 36:38
  I mean, it's important as well. Like no jokes, like you need to
• 36:42
  be able to get up and get just kind of get the brain working
• 36:48
  again or to take a break from the screen and come back to it,
• 36:50
  etcetera. That's an important element to
• 36:53
  it. But also you just can't zone in
• 36:58
  that much, you know, like it's even when I'm like fully fixated
• 37:04
  on a project and I'm invested, my body won't allow me to sit
• 37:08
  there. I was doing it.
• 37:10
  You have to get up and move around, touch grass, you know?
• 37:15
  Yeah, yeah, 100%. But the, the main thing is if
• 37:18
  you hire somebody and you immediately put them on remote,
• 37:20
  what people have experiences that they either do subpar work
• 37:25
  or they're working for like two or three companies at once and
• 37:28
  they're not disclosing that. So there is that risk involved
• 37:31
  with new hires. And I'm not saying that it's
• 37:34
  proper to have them in for six months, but I can understand the
• 37:37
  justification for ensuring that you know they're they're not
• 37:40
  cheating you in a way that you may not appreciate.
• 37:44
  Something like that can be written into a contract.
• 37:48
  So I, you know, I think that's on the companies really.
• 37:51
  I also think what you do in your spare time is your business from
• 37:55
  a business perspective, unless the work that you do outside of
• 37:58
  job A clashes with the work that you do in some way.
• 38:04
  Like, I don't know, let's say I'm working for a manufacturing
• 38:08
  company and then I'm also working for, you know, a
• 38:12
  supplier or rival of manufacturing company, then that
• 38:17
  would be inappropriate. But if it's just something
• 38:20
  completely unrelated, then who cares?
• 38:23
  You know, like if I take a job now and I do like marketing or
• 38:26
  customer service or something, I'm not going to stop doing my
• 38:31
  podcast, my acting, my music. I'm not going to stop doing
• 38:33
  that, you know? And if someone would say stop
• 38:35
  doing it, I'd be like, no, I quit.
• 38:37
  I'm more so thinking of like multiple 9 to fives where you're
• 38:41
  expected to be president at that time for multiple companies that
• 38:46
  that's the kind of, let's call it dishonesty that I'm thinking
• 38:49
  about. No, that's crazy.
• 38:52
  Yeah, that's crazy. It's a big thing.
• 38:55
  I mean, because what you're essentially doing there is,
• 39:00
  yeah, you are, yeah, yeah, I'd agree that is cheating unless
• 39:06
  it's like you've got jobs that are kind of on call jobs, you
• 39:10
  know what I'm saying? Like where you don't have to
• 39:11
  kind of work every second of the day, you're kind of more on
• 39:15
  call. But again, though, I, I don't
• 39:19
  know that you can really juggle it effectively and give because
• 39:23
  you're being paid for your time in a job.
• 39:26
  That's what you're being paid for your time and your
• 39:28
  attention. So if you're working several
• 39:30
  jobs at the same time, then you're they're not getting your
• 39:34
  time, are they? Yeah, based on what I've seen,
• 39:36
  most of it is with software engineers where they're doing
• 39:39
  coding for multiple companies. I suppose you get away with just
• 39:43
  like for the company you care about, you actually code and the
• 39:45
  company you don't care about, you just put an AI prompt in and
• 39:48
  go like, oh, there you go. So that's how you get around
• 39:52
  that anyway. Sorry Christian, I'm not sure if
• 39:57
  you're seeing it as well, but it's cutting in and out for me.
• 40:01
  Yeah, don't you worry about that, man.
• 40:03
  Riverside fixes that beautifully.
• 40:06
  Again, another impromptu advert for Riverside, even though I
• 40:10
  don't get sponsored by them or anything.
• 40:13
  All of it see the good, the good thing about it as well as it's,
• 40:16
  it's directing. So it takes my stuff and your
• 40:19
  stuff and it throws it in there. And then when it does the like
• 40:22
  final cut, it will mix those things together and cut out any,
• 40:28
  you know, error messages, anything where there's like it
• 40:33
  might cut out dialogue here and there, but it will do it in a
• 40:35
  natural way, which was because I was worried about that.
• 40:38
  What if it, it just completely deletes things, but it doesn't,
• 40:41
  it does it naturally and it blends it well.
• 40:44
  I think the only time there will be an issue if is if there's
• 40:47
  like a real big Internet issue at one person's end and you're
• 40:51
  like losing loads of dialogue then.
• 40:54
  But I, I had it recently, I had to reschedule with someone and
• 40:58
  you know, it was so much better once he had good Internet.
• 41:00
  But the time before I was like, yeah, there's no, because you
• 41:03
  always say there's the I've got to be able to do the, the
• 41:05
  interview as well. And I can't if, if there's big
• 41:08
  error messages. But any who, what did you learn
• 41:14
  from remote working? What did I learn?
• 41:17
  I learned that it was very hard for me to stay focused when
• 41:21
  there are so many distractions at home around me.
• 41:24
  You didn't have like a self-contained space, like a
• 41:26
  separate office room or something like that.
• 41:29
  No, I didn't I don't have that luxury.
• 41:30
  So I I worked right next to like my personal computer and yeah,
• 41:35
  switching like contest switching back and forth was something
• 41:38
  that I had to cut, but otherwise I wasn't getting anything done.
• 41:41
  But overall, like remote working was, was a great experience.
• 41:43
  Like I think that eventually, my, my opinion is that when you
• 41:48
  start off in the workforce, you probably want to be there in
• 41:50
  person. You want to absorb as much as
• 41:51
  possible. And once you get to a point
• 41:53
  where you're comfortable enough understanding what it's like to
• 41:55
  behave in a, in a corporation, wherever it is that you're
• 41:58
  working, at a certain point, you can then be sent home and you
• 42:02
  can then operate independently. But if you're new to the
• 42:05
  workforce and you don't really know what it means to work
• 42:08
  independently, then you you should probably go into the
• 42:11
  office because you'll benefit a lot.
• 42:13
  No, I completely agree with that from the perspective of
• 42:16
  understanding how to manage your time because one of the
• 42:18
  difficulties with working from home is, yeah, staying not
• 42:24
  distracted, but also structuring your day in much the same way
• 42:29
  when you sit down at your at your desk.
• 42:32
  I mean, I, I always do the same thing.
• 42:34
  Sit down. I've, I've come earlier, grab my
• 42:36
  coffee, I easy and I check my emails and then I start cracking
• 42:39
  into the first thing and within an hour or two now I'm getting
• 42:43
  some work done. It takes time.
• 42:46
  When I worked from home, you know, I'd do crazy stuff like
• 42:51
  rock out of bed half an hour before and just slink into my
• 42:54
  chair and like, and then initially I was like, yeah, this
• 42:58
  is great. I get away with this.
• 42:59
  And after a while you realize, no, I got to treat this
• 43:02
  seriously and, and get up and shower and do exactly what I did
• 43:07
  before. Like you can enjoy, you know, a
• 43:10
  bit more time in bed, but you still need to kind of approach
• 43:13
  it seriously. But that's, it's fascinating you
• 43:15
  bring that up there because if you've never experienced that
• 43:18
  and your first job is a remote job, which for many people it
• 43:21
  may be, you don't know about any of these things you don't know
• 43:24
  about like workplace etiquette or the structure and of, of
• 43:30
  things and, and how to do things and.
• 43:32
  How to talk to people, how to, how to request things from
• 43:35
  people, right. Like it's, it's, it's
• 43:38
  unfortunate, but a lot of it is like political speak.
• 43:40
  You have to approach it with a certain way to get them to to to
• 43:44
  do things for you. I, I learned that years ago with
• 43:47
  the IT people. It's like there's one place I
• 43:51
  worked where they had like a sign on their door and it said
• 43:54
  if it's not in Jira, it doesn't exist.
• 43:58
  You have to set up a task for it.
• 44:00
  Yeah. And you, you learn things too.
• 44:02
  Like, the reason why people bring in snacks is to build
• 44:05
  goodwill with people and like, yeah, you learn things.
• 44:07
  Like man. Come on it, it works, it builds
• 44:10
  goodwill. And then and then when people
• 44:12
  think about, you're like, oh, that's the person that that
• 44:14
  brings in the snacks and gives everybody a good time and.
• 44:16
  See I it's why. I don't like this.
• 44:18
  I don't like this at all. I'll be honest.
• 44:19
  Like I absolutely hate office politics, but it's such an
• 44:22
  interesting game. See you see guy with snacks, I
• 44:25
  see kiss ass, I see I see untrustworthy.
• 44:31
  That's what I see. Because these shit like that,
• 44:34
  you can't trust people like that.
• 44:36
  Yeah, but it's, it's, I call it building favors like snacks is
• 44:40
  one way. It's the obvious way, but there
• 44:42
  are other ways to build favors with people.
• 44:44
  Dude, I'll give you an example in series that perfectly
• 44:49
  demonstrates this. Have you ever heard of a series
• 44:51
  called Dexter? Yes, right.
• 44:55
  So for those who don't know, Dexter is about a serial killer
• 45:00
  who works for a Police Department as their blood
• 45:06
  splatter analyst, right? And there begins a crossover
• 45:10
  point where he's killing people, and then they're investigating
• 45:14
  the murders that he's committed. So he's playing like both sides,
• 45:18
  right? And his way to Curry favour and
• 45:23
  to make people in the office like him and trust him is to
• 45:25
  bring in doughnuts. And everyone's like, oh, you're
• 45:30
  so great, Dexter, you're so lovely.
• 45:32
  And like, they will buy into his bullshit.
• 45:33
  Except for this one guy. Dokes.
• 45:37
  Officer Dokes, because Dokes is it sees right through the
• 45:43
  bullshit and goes, now you're a creep motherfucker, there's
• 45:45
  something wrong with you. I'm going to find it out.
• 45:47
  I'm going to. And then he was right in the
• 45:49
  end. So I won't spoil it for people
• 45:50
  go watch it. But him bringing in the
• 45:52
  doughnuts is is just so fake and such a great visual
• 45:58
  representation of that because he was hiding being a serial
• 46:01
  killer. So the guy that brings in the
• 46:05
  snacks, he could be a serial killer.
• 46:07
  There you go. Yeah, I wouldn't recommend
• 46:10
  bringing a doughnuts or something like that because that
• 46:13
  game is known now for me, I a Curry favor by just helping
• 46:17
  people out. I see a problem, I go in there,
• 46:19
  I try to help them out and you know, I never say hey, you owe
• 46:22
  me. But when I when I asked them to
• 46:24
  help me on the future, it typically comes a lot easier.
• 46:28
  There's another example. I'm reminded of what we're
• 46:30
  talking about, actually. You ever seen a show called How
• 46:32
  I Met Your Mother? Yeah.
• 46:34
  OK, it's a personal favorite of mine.
• 46:36
  I love it. Do you remember the episodes
• 46:39
  where they're working in corporate?
• 46:42
  And I believe Marshall who to give people some context,
• 46:47
  Marshall was a guy who wants to work in like environmental in
• 46:53
  the environmental world and save the planet.
• 46:55
  But in the run up to that, he's not able to do that.
• 46:58
  So he's trying to become a lawyer to do that.
• 47:00
  And but in the process of that, he has to work these horrible,
• 47:04
  soul destroying corporate jobs. NIS take on one lawyer job where
• 47:09
  he's a lawyer for a company that is like very immoral.
• 47:13
  And he's like having a problem with that.
• 47:15
  And his friend Barney, who's a bit of trickster and a bit of a
• 47:18
  crazy guy, a living caricature essentially is getting him into
• 47:23
  all sorts of like problems, right.
• 47:25
  And there's one episode in particular where he's like, you
• 47:28
  got to have a thing. And he's like, what do you mean?
• 47:30
  He's like, well, there's there's guy that brings in the snacks.
• 47:34
  There's the guy that does the fantasy league, there's the guy
• 47:37
  that comes in costumes. You got to have a thing and say
• 47:41
  he's like scratching the sailor. What's my thing going to be?
• 47:42
  What's my thing going to be? I don't know if it was the
• 47:46
  fantasy league thing or something else, but he comes up
• 47:48
  with something and then he becomes the guy that has that
• 47:52
  thing. But you see, you see that in web
• 47:54
  faces a lot where it's like everyone's trying to kind of
• 47:58
  distinguish a way of making themselves invaluable, even
• 48:03
  though in every company you're about as valuable as the
• 48:08
  pavement. Just being honest, I've seen
• 48:09
  people fired after years and years and years and years of
• 48:12
  service makes no difference. There is no loyalty.
• 48:15
  There is no no one is safe. It's transactional, right?
• 48:20
  It's look, it's just the Wildman.
• 48:22
  You know, I, I always look at it like this, the first thing I
• 48:26
  ever got taught in, in my very first paid like contract job and
• 48:30
  it was like just working for a supermarket there.
• 48:32
  This guy who ended up, he was like an assistant manager, but
• 48:35
  he ended up like screwing over his friends in the end.
• 48:38
  He said, always watch your back. And I was like, well, what do
• 48:42
  you mean? And he's like, make sure that
• 48:43
  everything that you do in work is above board and like
• 48:50
  everything that you do is, is right essentially so that people
• 48:54
  can't kind of be like, oh, but you did this wrong.
• 48:56
  You did this wrong. You did.
• 48:57
  Obviously, if people dig deep enough, they'll eventually fire
• 49:00
  you anyway because that's if you really want to get rid of
• 49:03
  someone, you'll find a way, right?
• 49:04
  But in general, that protects you.
• 49:08
  It's the people that cut corners and purposefully do things wrong
• 49:14
  and talk about it, which is even crazier.
• 49:16
  People at work are not your friends.
• 49:18
  People people like, yeah, get they get too trustworthy or they
• 49:21
  become the guy that brings in the snacks and and then it's
• 49:24
  like, that won't save you. You know, it's a good idea.
• 49:27
  It's a good mask, but it won't save you.
• 49:30
  Yeah, I, I can talk about that endlessly, right.
• 49:33
  So in being in procurement, everything that comes in, you're
• 49:37
  the first point of contact. But imagine where somebody needs
• 49:41
  something but they don't tell you.
• 49:43
  They will then blame you for not, or blame me for not
• 49:45
  bringing it in when I didn't know that they needed it.
• 49:48
  So covering my ass was something that became extremely
• 49:51
  proficient. It's frustrating as well because
• 49:53
  like sometimes, like I was talking to my housemate about
• 49:55
  this. He's he's having a bit of a
• 49:57
  situation at work and it's been, I don't want to give specifics,
• 50:00
  but what I'll say is he's working with this guy and has
• 50:03
  been working with this guy for like close to two years now.
• 50:06
  And they're in a small close knit team.
• 50:09
  And so they've got like a boss and then but they like kind of
• 50:12
  self manage. But technically the other guy
• 50:15
  that he works with is senior to him, right?
• 50:18
  Technically he could have had that that job if he wanted it,
• 50:22
  but he just decided he didn't. Now he's kind of regretting that
• 50:24
  decision, but mostly because this other guy in his team does
• 50:29
  nothing like nothing. It's like there's the amount of
• 50:34
  times I just sit there listening to my friend talk about it and
• 50:37
  I'm like, how is this guy not fired?
• 50:39
  And it's like, well, the way the company is, it's like it's
• 50:42
  really hard to fire people. You know, you've got to kind of
• 50:44
  build up a bunch of evidence and then eventually fire them.
• 50:47
  I'm like, this is ridiculous. If someone's, for example, not
• 50:52
  showing up to work or showing up when they feel like it or just
• 50:56
  not there, surely you can just fire them for that?
• 50:58
  Like, where are you? What do you mean you're not
• 51:00
  here? You're fired?
• 51:01
  What you know, but this is, this is the thing with contracts and,
• 51:06
  and maybe it's different in Canada, but here in the UK it's,
• 51:10
  it's very like very, very difficult to fire people without
• 51:14
  just cause. And even with just cause, it's,
• 51:17
  it's got to be like concrete, like they have to and it'll be
• 51:20
  like stealing or something like that.
• 51:23
  But basically with my friend, it, it got to a situation like
• 51:26
  the other day. I'll give an example, right.
• 51:28
  So he he's been feeling unwell. So he was like, OK, I'm going to
• 51:36
  text this guy who is my scene that he's trying to do things
• 51:41
  like procedure to, to cover his ass, but also like do things
• 51:44
  properly, right? Because this other guy doesn't
• 51:47
  do anything. So he's like, all right, I'm
• 51:50
  going to text him the night before and let him know that I
• 51:53
  won't be there the next day so that this other guy who has also
• 51:57
  got similar responsibilities can then take over and and
• 52:02
  essentially take his place, right?
• 52:04
  He texts him, he doesn't receive a response.
• 52:07
  So all right then. So then my friend texts his big
• 52:10
  boss, like his former, like main boss, but like his the boss,
• 52:14
  right? He texts him and goes, Hey, I
• 52:16
  won't be there this morning. Just letting you know, I text
• 52:20
  this guy the previous day, he didn't get back to me, right?
• 52:24
  So then comes the day off, my friend's at home.
• 52:28
  He's I'll right. And he's let his boss know, but
• 52:32
  his boss isn't happy. It's, it's a place where
• 52:35
  everyone's got to be let in and it's, it's like a public
• 52:38
  building. So everyone's got to be let in
• 52:39
  and, and there's like key holders and stuff like that.
• 52:42
  So there was no one there to open up.
• 52:44
  So this big boss has got it in the air from from like all these
• 52:47
  other departments that are having to open up and they're
• 52:49
  like, oh, what's going on in your team?
• 52:51
  What's the problem? So he's annoyed about that
• 52:52
  because his team's basically letting down.
• 52:55
  Now, the guy who is immediately responsible, my friend, he's at
• 53:00
  home. I'll he's already excused
• 53:02
  himself because he's text not one, but two people and he's
• 53:06
  done it chain of command style, right?
• 53:10
  But the problem is this other guy that he works with has not
• 53:14
  bothered to tell the big boss about him not being in, if that
• 53:19
  makes sense. And also because my first
• 53:23
  question, I had a lot of questions when he laid this
• 53:25
  situation. I was like, OK, but where was
• 53:28
  he? Because you're not here and the
• 53:31
  big boss doesn't get there till later.
• 53:33
  So where's this other guy who says he's always in early?
• 53:37
  Where is he? Why is he not there to open up?
• 53:40
  And he's like, I don't know, no one can find him.
• 53:43
  And I'm like, how did it? And this is the thing in
• 53:45
  workplaces, people like this seem to just get away with
• 53:48
  everything. Even though they break all the
• 53:51
  rules and they are useless. They're the ones who get
• 53:54
  promoted. Make it make sense.
• 53:56
  How it's it's, it's something that I think about a lot, which
• 54:01
  is that perceptions are more powerful than reality.
• 54:03
  And somehow this guy has created the perception that he deserved
• 54:07
  it right? I don't know.
• 54:08
  I don't know how he's managed to get away with all the things
• 54:14
  he's got with for close to two years, because I could tell
• 54:16
  stories for days about this, about him just putting off
• 54:19
  projects. Things like, oh, this should
• 54:22
  have been done 18 months ago. Oh yeah, that's the end of the
• 54:27
  conversation. And my friends just looking at
• 54:28
  it like, I mean, if it were me, I could have got that done a
• 54:34
  year and a half ago. What's going on?
• 54:37
  Because that's the thing. It's one thing when someone is
• 54:40
  is like cutting corners and stuff, but when someone's just
• 54:43
  like not doing things and it falls on your shoulders, that's
• 54:48
  unfair when you end up doing the work of other people as well.
• 54:51
  Principle. 20% of people do 80% of the work or something like
• 54:54
  that, yeah. Moving on, moving on.
• 54:59
  Before I ask you about the big question, I wanted to kind of
• 55:02
  understand what you're doing right now.
• 55:04
  Are you, are you earning from YouTube yet?
• 55:06
  Are we there yet or? No, no, not at all.
• 55:09
  I I'm mostly just doing YouTube, trying to see what I can do to
• 55:13
  improve, make better videos, make more compelling videos.
• 55:16
  And yeah, the goal is to one day be self-sufficient of it.
• 55:21
  So I don't want to pry too much into like personal stuff, but
• 55:25
  like, are you? I'm nothing to hide really.
• 55:29
  Have you kind of like taken an investment of time and you're,
• 55:33
  you're not working and you're just focusing fully on this or
• 55:36
  do you have something on? Ah, OK, all right, cool.
• 55:40
  So now I've set up the tone I've set, I've laid out the playing
• 55:43
  field here. The question is, and I wanted to
• 55:45
  save this till now, why did you quit your $100,000 a year remote
• 55:50
  job to pursue philosophy? Well, I thought about it a lot
• 55:58
  and should. Hope so.
• 56:02
  There there isn't 1 answer in particular, but I'll go through
• 56:08
  some of the ones that really stacked out right.
• 56:10
  So the first one is like, what was what, what is my goal in
• 56:15
  life? Like what are my objectives in
• 56:17
  life and how do I want to live my life?
• 56:19
  So the main thing I want to do is like maximize happiness and
• 56:23
  minimize unhappiness and minimize regret.
• 56:25
  And you know the saying like money buys happiness and money
• 56:28
  doesn't buy happiness. Well, that's complete bullshit.
• 56:30
  Money does buy happiness, but there's diminishing returns on
• 56:33
  it, right? So when you buy your first car,
• 56:36
  like you're fairly happy, you now have something to drive
• 56:38
  around in. But when you buy your second
• 56:40
  car, it just doesn't hit the same.
• 56:42
  And I kind of experienced that with a lot of what I was
• 56:44
  spending my money on. Like when I bought my first
• 56:47
  graphics card for gaming many years ago, it was like a mid
• 56:50
  tier graphics card. I was extremely happy to be able
• 56:52
  to do so. But when I bought my 5090, it's
• 56:54
  like OK, now I have a better graphics card and same thing
• 56:58
  with like travelling. So I've been to Japan four Times
• 57:00
  Now. The first time was great.
• 57:01
  The second time was good, the third time was good as well, and
• 57:05
  the last time was just was just kind of like Japan's cool.
• 57:08
  This is like this is just a place I go to now.
• 57:10
  Yeah. You know, and when you learn
• 57:13
  about, like, how humans adapt to things and how things just kind
• 57:17
  of become baseline, it all makes sense, right?
• 57:19
  So I found that in terms of happiness, the amount of money I
• 57:23
  was making was no longer buying me a sufficient amount of
• 57:27
  happiness to me for it to be worth it.
• 57:31
  Like I could chase the more expensive things.
• 57:34
  I could chase more like extravagant experiences, but I I
• 57:38
  don't really care about that. Like, do I really need to buy a
• 57:40
  Lamborghini? No, not at all.
• 57:41
  I'm pretty happy with my electric cars, like getting me
• 57:44
  around the city. So the work work introduces
• 57:49
  unhappiness, right? And I just found that the
• 57:51
  calculus didn't make sense anymore.
• 57:52
  The amount of unhappiness I was getting from having to commit my
• 57:55
  life to working for somebody else versus the amount of
• 57:58
  happiness the money from it was buying me it, the calculus
• 58:01
  didn't make sense anymore. So that's one really big one.
• 58:06
  And then another one was, so I, I sat down and I thought about
• 58:08
  like, what if I could do anything in the world without
• 58:11
  any kind of restraint, what would it be?
• 58:13
  And the answer I came to was, I know I seek the truth.
• 58:16
  And then I was like, OK, that's not what I expected, but I guess
• 58:20
  I'm becoming a philosopher. But there's, like I said,
• 58:25
  there's many reasons. Another one that we spoke about
• 58:27
  was AI. So AI has allowed me to do
• 58:32
  things like write better scripts and work faster in terms of my
• 58:37
  in terms of content creation. Like when I record stuff now and
• 58:41
  there's noises to having AI to be able to just remove any kind
• 58:44
  of background noise. That's amazing.
• 58:46
  Or if I ever need to do a mask and I don't have to rotoscope it
• 58:48
  myself, having AI kind of do that for me, like it's a really
• 58:51
  great technology that we're able to leverage to do things that I
• 58:55
  just wasn't able to do before. So having it now nowadays, like
• 59:00
  I would write my script and then I would have it go find
• 59:04
  references and put the references in next to the line.
• 59:06
  So I can, I can do like the research live while I'm script
• 59:09
  writing. And it's stuff like that that
• 59:11
  makes that made it more comfortable for me to really
• 59:14
  make this jump. And let's talk about like AI in
• 59:18
  the workforce, right? So before I left, I was thinking
• 59:21
  about how I could replace my workers with AI because it was
• 59:24
  already at the point where it could do that.
• 59:27
  And I thought like 7 years down the road, what's stopping a
• 59:30
  better version of AI from replacing me?
• 59:32
  So hedging for that as well. I was like, OK, I think if I
• 59:36
  were to hop over to content creation, I should be able to
• 59:39
  make like some money seven years down the road.
• 59:41
  Maybe it won't, it may never get to the point where I was
• 59:44
  beforehand, but I was already at the point in life where money
• 59:46
  wasn't really buying me any more happiness.
• 59:48
  So the calculus was just kind of saying like, yeah, go go explore
• 59:53
  entrepreneurship, go explore philosophy and see we can what
• 59:56
  you can do on that path rather than staying in a corporate job
• 59:59
  that doesn't really get you any more happiness.
• 1:00:03
  Would you say that in your time spent away from the corporate
• 1:00:08
  world, it's affected your philosophy in some way, like the
• 1:00:11
  way that you look at life? In the time I spent away from
• 1:00:13
  it, that's. What I'm saying with this is
• 1:00:17
  it's a bubble. You're working in that, in that
• 1:00:20
  field, in that industry, right? You're in it and then you come
• 1:00:25
  out of it. And like when I moved away from
• 1:00:29
  corporate, I discovered a lot of things.
• 1:00:31
  Like there was a lot of different ways to make money.
• 1:00:34
  There's a lot of different styles.
• 1:00:35
  There isn't just AB and C, There's also FZ, whatever,
• 1:00:39
  right? But also I realized that that's
• 1:00:44
  only one way of thinking and their way of thinking never
• 1:00:47
  really changes. But given that you're pursuing
• 1:00:51
  philosophy, which is all about thinking and, and pondering the
• 1:00:56
  great questions from, from the like really, really deep ones to
• 1:00:59
  the everyday concerns. And I just guess because you're
• 1:01:02
  not in that sphere anymore, I wondered if that had like a
• 1:01:05
  profound impact on the way that you think and feel.
• 1:01:08
  I, I would say that the way I think I feel has changed, but I
• 1:01:12
  don't know if it has to do specifically with leaving the
• 1:01:14
  field. And one of the reasons why I say
• 1:01:15
  this is that even when I was working in corporate, I spent
• 1:01:18
  most of my time like learning about things, learning about
• 1:01:22
  psychology, philosophies, physics, like anything
• 1:01:25
  economics, a big one recently is like history.
• 1:01:28
  So I, I tried to keep myself educated in many different
• 1:01:31
  fields just to get, Oh, I like it.
• 1:01:34
  I, I think that's actually quite enjoyable.
• 1:01:36
  And business is one of the right where I would spend a lot of
• 1:01:40
  time online reading about business case studies and
• 1:01:42
  whatnot. And having worked in over 20
• 1:01:44
  different positions myself, I've already seen different ways of
• 1:01:48
  how one can run a business. And not only that, I've failed
• 1:01:51
  at creating multiple businesses because I didn't know what to
• 1:01:53
  do. But I, I gave it a shot.
• 1:01:55
  So I wouldn't say that it opened my world in that sense because I
• 1:02:00
  was already exposed to a lot of it.
• 1:02:01
  But having more time to think definitely allowed me to.
• 1:02:05
  I'm up with some more interesting concepts that I may
• 1:02:08
  not have had the time to back when I was working in corporate.
• 1:02:11
  Moving it forward to philosophy in general, what have you
• 1:02:15
  learned in your journey pursuing philosophy so far?
• 1:02:18
  Oh, the big one is whether or not anything that I come up with
• 1:02:23
  is, is real or delusion. Like one big thing that I am
• 1:02:28
  like one of the big things that drove me in this direction is
• 1:02:32
  the fascination with delusion and how do I, how do I really
• 1:02:36
  approach this? So are you familiar with like
• 1:02:39
  geocentrism and heliocentrism? Let's say that I am the.
• 1:02:43
  So in the past, we believed to believe in geocentrism, which is
• 1:02:47
  that the Earth was the center of the universe.
• 1:02:49
  But we found out that that's not true.
• 1:02:51
  The Earth revolves around the sun.
• 1:02:53
  So for hundreds of years we were living under the delusion that
• 1:02:56
  the Earth was the center of the universe, right?
• 1:02:58
  And this is like a mass illusion that everybody believed.
• 1:03:02
  So it, it just got me fascinating.
• 1:03:04
  What other mass delusions are there?
• 1:03:06
  What other delusions are we living that that are just
• 1:03:09
  objectively false, but we believe it's true and we're
• 1:03:12
  living by it. Like the Salem witch trials
• 1:03:14
  would be another one, right? Where we believe that these
• 1:03:16
  women were, were witches and we burnt them at the stake.
• 1:03:18
  And so when I come up with a lot of, let's say my frameworks and
• 1:03:23
  my, my understanding is as to how the world works, is it
• 1:03:28
  actually true? And that's something I struggle
• 1:03:30
  with quite, quite often because I only have my own mind to work
• 1:03:34
  with here. And just, I can question others,
• 1:03:36
  but who's to say that what they believe aren't is true or false?
• 1:03:39
  So it's, I wouldn't quite say it's like a dilemma, but it's
• 1:03:43
  something that I, I ponder about a lot, which is that like what
• 1:03:46
  is actually true? I remember earlier in this
• 1:03:49
  conversation that you said that Reddit was the source of truth.
• 1:03:51
  These days when I go on Reddit, I find that everything on there
• 1:03:53
  is completely false. To be clear, I didn't say it was
• 1:03:57
  the source of truth. A source of truth?
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  I said if you compare it to like what you see on the news, I
• 1:04:04
  would trust read it over the news.
• 1:04:05
  I, I believe that however, you're right.
• 1:04:08
  There's, I mean, we have to remember is it's like when
• 1:04:12
  people claim Wikipedia as a source, I mean, it's, it's
• 1:04:15
  written by people without credentials.
• 1:04:18
  And I was if, if it's a, a factual thing, I always try to
• 1:04:23
  look for the source where the source is important factors like
• 1:04:29
  that. When you're looking at news
• 1:04:30
  these days, I mean, there's trackers now that tell you like,
• 1:04:33
  which is slight in which way, who's funded by who or this.
• 1:04:36
  And I'm like, so you just can't trust the media at all.
• 1:04:39
  Like, because news should be just pure fact.
• 1:04:44
  Like, OK, there was a bombing in this country today at this time,
• 1:04:49
  but that should be it. It shouldn't be like
• 1:04:53
  sensationalist. But of course, that's what media
• 1:04:56
  has turned into. That's what news has turned
• 1:04:57
  into. So it's very hard to, and now
• 1:05:00
  obviously with the advent of, of AI and just the fact that people
• 1:05:04
  put false narratives, false information out there as
• 1:05:08
  propaganda to dissuade, to deceive, to split people up
• 1:05:12
  political agendas. I mean, it's it's hard to find
• 1:05:16
  anything factual. Yeah, and that's kind of where I
• 1:05:20
  was leading into this, which is like what, what exactly is true
• 1:05:24
  now? Something that I think so why,
• 1:05:27
  why philosophy and why why do I think that I have some kind of
• 1:05:31
  aptitude for this? It's it's it's very interesting.
• 1:05:36
  I, I, I struggle to, I struggle to say this because I don't
• 1:05:44
  necessarily I believe it myself. This is one time when I'm
• 1:05:47
  talking about whether or not what I come up with are
• 1:05:49
  delusions, but it, it seems like I have the ability to see like
• 1:05:54
  shapes and patterns through space and time in my head.
• 1:05:57
  It, it feels like a superpower in ways.
• 1:05:59
  I know it sounds like I see your face and, and that's kind of how
• 1:06:01
  I see it too, when I'm like trying to explain this to
• 1:06:03
  people. But I'm not the only one to have
• 1:06:07
  to, to claim to see things like this.
• 1:06:10
  I'm very familiar with Ray Dalio.
• 1:06:11
  So Ray Dalio, he, he's, he created bridgehead or bridge
• 1:06:16
  Bridgewater Bridge, something pretty much one of the most
• 1:06:18
  successful investment firms in the world.
• 1:06:19
  And he claims that he's able to like, see and feel like the
• 1:06:22
  machinery of the stock markets. And I feel like I'm able to see
• 1:06:26
  like the shapes and patterns of things more in a, in a different
• 1:06:30
  way than what other people would, how other people could
• 1:06:33
  perceive it. And this is like, so it's so
• 1:06:35
  hard to claim this because I don't know what it's like in the
• 1:06:38
  minds of other people, right? But an example would be the way
• 1:06:42
  how I see like my relationship, my wife, and the way how I
• 1:06:45
  believe that most relationships end up being, they're like
• 1:06:49
  ascending sine waves through time, right?
• 1:06:50
  So the relationship will get better and better and it'll hit
• 1:06:54
  a peak and then I'll start getting worse and worse.
• 1:06:56
  And during that time where it gets worse and worse, there's
• 1:06:59
  typically some kind of challenge that needs to be overcome.
• 1:07:01
  So a simple one to be she's not happy that I don't wash the
• 1:07:04
  dishes. So if I, if I can overcome that
• 1:07:07
  challenge, then the relationship can get better and better again.
• 1:07:10
  But eventually I'll hit another peak and it'll start getting
• 1:07:13
  worse and worse again. But if I can't overcome that
• 1:07:15
  challenge or not me, it's because it's, it's a
• 1:07:18
  partnership. If we can't overcome the
• 1:07:20
  challenge, then eventually the relationship will Peter off and
• 1:07:22
  die. And it's just you see that like
• 1:07:26
  ascending sideway pattern in many different aspects of life,
• 1:07:29
  not just relationships. I think with relationships
• 1:07:32
  though, like a lot of the time it's as you say, it starts with
• 1:07:35
  something small and it escalates.
• 1:07:37
  So like, if a couple breaks up, it's not going to be because,
• 1:07:41
  oh, it doesn't wash the dishes, It'll be because you don't wash
• 1:07:44
  the dishes, which leads to arguments because oh, do you not
• 1:07:47
  care? Do you not care about like,
• 1:07:49
  taking care of this place? What else don't you care about?
• 1:07:51
  You know, do you not take me seriously?
• 1:07:53
  It becomes a matter of respect. It's a question of respect.
• 1:07:57
  It could be anything. But like, it's what I'm saying
• 1:08:00
  is that that's the small straw that breaks the camel's back.
• 1:08:04
  You know, it's never just you didn't wash the dishes.
• 1:08:07
  I'm packing my bags and leaving tomorrow.
• 1:08:09
  Like it's, there's, it builds and what a lot of quite frankly,
• 1:08:15
  what I think a lot of guys that end up like in relationships
• 1:08:18
  where their wife, girlfriend, whatever leaves them because
• 1:08:21
  it's, it's more often than not like we miss out on certain
• 1:08:25
  signs that we're not paying attention to, you know, or we're
• 1:08:29
  just not cognizant. We're not respectful enough, you
• 1:08:32
  know, I don't know. This issue, it could be a sign
• 1:08:34
  of something like because you're not watching the shows.
• 1:08:38
  Like what else are you letting slip in your life kind of
• 1:08:39
  things, right? Like this is kind of.
• 1:08:41
  It's just, again, it's a, it's a respect that like if you're, if
• 1:08:44
  you're living in a house with someone, you have to be mindful
• 1:08:47
  of each other, you have to respect each other's space.
• 1:08:50
  And of course, if you're in a relationship, everything that
• 1:08:52
  you do is rooted in love or, and respect.
• 1:08:58
  So things like that, like let's say your wife works longer than
• 1:09:03
  you, right? And she comes home and all the
• 1:09:06
  dishes are not met. You know, they're they're day,
• 1:09:09
  you've just left right. It's kind of a reflection on or
• 1:09:13
  you would know that she's working late.
• 1:09:15
  So you and you're the one who finishes early.
• 1:09:18
  You've had the time to like come home, rest, maybe have a shower
• 1:09:21
  or whatever, like time to like, whereas when she comes home, she
• 1:09:26
  needs time to unwind, but now there's immediately stuff that
• 1:09:28
  has to be done and maybe she needs to eat, but like there's
• 1:09:31
  no clean dishes because they're all in the, you know, So I mean,
• 1:09:34
  it's like, but if you'd have fixed that problem for her, she,
• 1:09:38
  she wouldn't then have to deal with that and.
• 1:09:41
  For me that would be like the downwards trend, right?
• 1:09:44
  So. Right, right.
• 1:09:45
  It's it's it's. It's like that continuously.
• 1:09:49
  So then you have to overcome that, whatever it is, it could
• 1:09:52
  be the dishes and everything else that she has an issue with
• 1:09:54
  or you might have an issue with. And if you can, if you guys cop
• 1:09:57
  can over can overcome that, then you start going back on that
• 1:09:59
  upward trajectory. But then like anything else, you
• 1:10:02
  end up coming into another challenge.
• 1:10:04
  Maybe it's something like her dad died and you weren't
• 1:10:07
  supportive enough and can you overcome that?
• 1:10:10
  But, and what the point I'm trying to make is that that
• 1:10:12
  pattern does seem to occur in like almost all relationships,
• 1:10:16
  if not all and in multiple things, not just relationships.
• 1:10:19
  And that's what I mean by like, by how I can, it seems like I'm
• 1:10:23
  able to see things in a different way from people and
• 1:10:25
  make and find these patterns in in what I what we call reality
• 1:10:30
  I. Can relate.
• 1:10:31
  I get it with more of emotion. I can feel like when someone's
• 1:10:36
  lying to me or when but like intensely, I can feel when
• 1:10:41
  someone's like evil or a bad person or any negative energy in
• 1:10:44
  a room. Now, obviously a lot of this
• 1:10:46
  comes down to what you believe, but like, I feel it's so
• 1:10:49
  intensity that I can't ignore it, you know?
• 1:10:52
  Like I know when. There's a storm telling other
• 1:10:54
  people what it's like. Yeah, because they probably just
• 1:10:57
  think you're crazy, to be honest.
• 1:11:00
  And I, you know, I take everything with a pinch of salt
• 1:11:02
  myself. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:11:03
  But I, I do think that human beings are capable of a lot more
• 1:11:07
  than we realize, and that I think every human being is.
• 1:11:14
  It's like the Matrix, right? Don't come at me.
• 1:11:17
  Right, Because I know that a lot of people are going to hear
• 1:11:19
  that. It's like, oh, red flag.
• 1:11:20
  Oh no, he's going to talk about like fucking red pill bullshit.
• 1:11:24
  Oh, what I'm talking about is, you know, the concept in the
• 1:11:27
  Matrix where they're plugged in or they're not plugged in.
• 1:11:29
  And again, this is just my experience, but yeah, I've seen
• 1:11:33
  people talk about this as well. It feels to me like most people
• 1:11:36
  are like MPCS, non playable characters in a video game, but
• 1:11:40
  like they lack consciousness. Like sometimes I'll be walking
• 1:11:43
  down the street and people will just stop.
• 1:11:46
  They won't do anything. They're mindless of their
• 1:11:49
  surroundings. It's like they have no
• 1:11:52
  consciousness. I remember reading years ago
• 1:11:55
  about this concept that apparently not everyone has an
• 1:11:58
  inner dialogue. Well, what do you mean?
• 1:12:01
  I'm not necessarily saying that you have a voice in your head,
• 1:12:03
  but like everyone has thoughts, right?
• 1:12:07
  Wrong. You don't know that.
• 1:12:09
  We assume that to be the case. But what if there's only like a
• 1:12:13
  handful of of human? Like what if it goes in like
• 1:12:16
  tears? Because like, I'm not sitting
• 1:12:17
  here saying like I'm some super intelligent being, right?
• 1:12:20
  I know I'm not, but I know that I'm not one of these like MPCS
• 1:12:25
  that doesn't think and feel and have some kind of consciousness
• 1:12:29
  because I question everything in life constantly, maybe too much.
• 1:12:33
  I used to get criticized at school for that, but I was like,
• 1:12:36
  I remember the teachers would say like, oh, Christian, you
• 1:12:38
  asked too many questions. And I'm like, is that not the
• 1:12:40
  point? Should we?
• 1:12:42
  You're saying don't ask questions.
• 1:12:44
  You're saying basically don't use critical thinking.
• 1:12:47
  I'm saying you have to use that in life for everything.
• 1:12:51
  If you just accept everything on face value, you're screwed over.
• 1:12:57
  And also you're missing so much of what is real in life.
• 1:13:02
  You're missing opportunities to learn, opportunities to grow.
• 1:13:06
  It's like when people tell you like not to do things.
• 1:13:09
  A lot of time people take that as a personal challenge, right?
• 1:13:12
  But many people just fall in line and accept.
• 1:13:15
  I like to sometimes like to test the boundaries and say like can
• 1:13:18
  I go through that door? Maybe it is too much like a
• 1:13:21
  video game, I don't know. But The funny thing is, like you
• 1:13:24
  push the buttons and you push the boundaries a bit, much like
• 1:13:28
  a video game life will push you in interesting directions that
• 1:13:32
  the average person doesn't see. Yeah.
• 1:13:35
  So very interesting that you bring that up.
• 1:13:37
  So I didn't actually watch the Matrix so like a couple months
• 1:13:40
  ago. Wow, OK.
• 1:13:42
  Yeah, I've known about it like my almost my entire life.
• 1:13:45
  I didn't actually watch till a couple months ago.
• 1:13:46
  And it like resonated with me in in like such an like a profound
• 1:13:49
  way. Right.
• 1:13:49
  So I I agree with you in that most people probably are in the
• 1:13:53
  matrix. And what I mean by that is if
• 1:13:55
  you just accept what society have to give you without really
• 1:13:58
  questioning it, that is effectively the same as being in
• 1:14:01
  the matrix. Because like, think about, I
• 1:14:04
  think about what light, what my life was like before, didn't say
• 1:14:09
  before philosophy, right? I believe that I need to grow
• 1:14:13
  up, go to school, get a job, get married, have kids and do all
• 1:14:16
  that stuff. But why, why do I need to do any
• 1:14:19
  of that? It's because that's the
• 1:14:21
  expectations that society places upon you.
• 1:14:23
  And it's like a lot of the beliefs that people have are
• 1:14:26
  probably not their own beliefs, their beliefs that other people
• 1:14:29
  put into them. And for me, that's what the
• 1:14:32
  Matrix is. It's it's kind of just accepting
• 1:14:35
  the world that you that that is given to you without questioning
• 1:14:39
  it. And when you start questioning
• 1:14:40
  it, that's when you're able to take a step back and realize
• 1:14:42
  that, hey, like no, life doesn't have to be the way that other
• 1:14:46
  people prescribe it to me. Like a big one is American
• 1:14:50
  consumerism, right? So in America, it's all about
• 1:14:52
  spending money. It's all about, you know, buying
• 1:14:54
  the next big, big thing and you learn you can that it's, it's
• 1:14:59
  contrived. I forget the name of the
• 1:15:01
  individual, but it was somebody back up, I want to say in the
• 1:15:04
  1800s. As I said, we need to create a
• 1:15:06
  Society of consumers so that we can like profit and benefit from
• 1:15:09
  them. So yeah, like the there is a
• 1:15:12
  real concept here that people probably are living in a world
• 1:15:16
  that they believe to be true when it isn't.
• 1:15:19
  And I, I can say that because that's kind of how I felt about.
• 1:15:22
  It I know exactly what you mean. We we accept the reality we're
• 1:15:27
  in because that's what we're born into.
• 1:15:30
  But like, I see it the same way you do.
• 1:15:32
  Like I look at it with like a weird sense of fascination
• 1:15:36
  because it's all just bullshit. It's all made-up.
• 1:15:40
  It. Is made-up.
• 1:15:42
  Well, it's like I remember every now and again I'll be sitting
• 1:15:46
  there with my dad when I go see him and he'll get he'll just say
• 1:15:48
  something that gets me thinking. And I know he does it on
• 1:15:52
  purpose. He tries to get my brothers to
• 1:15:54
  do it as well, but they don't. They're a bit too young.
• 1:15:56
  They don't always, some of them questioned, but like they don't.
• 1:15:59
  I remember sitting there listening to him do it with one
• 1:16:02
  of my younger brothers and he's just a bit too young to like
• 1:16:05
  really click into it, but he'll get there.
• 1:16:09
  So sitting there, we're chatting one day and he turns around and
• 1:16:11
  he says, well, you know, we're not real in the sense that we're
• 1:16:18
  basically playing characters. And he's like, you're not really
• 1:16:21
  Christian. I'm not really Ryan.
• 1:16:22
  You know, we are just playing a character.
• 1:16:26
  And I was like, what do you mean?
• 1:16:27
  And I'm paraphrasing basically what he said.
• 1:16:29
  But more or less it's like, these are roles.
• 1:16:33
  These are things that you get given, but it's not really you.
• 1:16:37
  It's not your soul. It's not why you came here.
• 1:16:39
  It's just this, it's this character, this thing like when
• 1:16:46
  you meet someone for the first time, they ask you what do you
• 1:16:49
  do? What's your job, you know, where
• 1:16:52
  do you live? Very just kind of like uniform.
• 1:16:54
  Do you are you married? You have a girlfriend,
• 1:16:55
  boyfriend, whatever. Like they just there's that.
• 1:16:59
  Yeah. But it's also just kind of very
• 1:17:01
  like conversation, right? It's one of the reasons why I
• 1:17:05
  love doing a podcast. I like to have real
• 1:17:06
  conversations with people. If I can't have the type of
• 1:17:11
  friends where I can talk to you about anything, I don't want to
• 1:17:14
  be your friend. And it's nothing to do.
• 1:17:17
  It's not against people, it's just I love people whose minds
• 1:17:21
  are completely open to the point where nothing is off limits.
• 1:17:25
  We just talk about anything. Like one minute, all right,
• 1:17:28
  we're talking, you know, we're shooting shit.
• 1:17:30
  It's a podcast, ha, ha, ha. The next minute we're talking
• 1:17:32
  about deep philosophy, like why are we here?
• 1:17:34
  What's the point of this? What's the meaning of this?
• 1:17:37
  Bringing it back to what we were talking about before?
• 1:17:39
  I don't know that the average person ever sits there and goes,
• 1:17:42
  why am I here? What's the point now?
• 1:17:46
  If any person has that that thought at any point in their
• 1:17:50
  life, that's a profound thought. That's an really important
• 1:17:52
  point. And if you discover, say, say
• 1:17:57
  you have a child and you discover that they're thinking
• 1:17:59
  that way, you should push them to the moon in that direction.
• 1:18:02
  Be like, here's another book, Here's another book.
• 1:18:04
  Think about this. What about this?
• 1:18:06
  Keep positing the questions to that kid and keep pushing them
• 1:18:09
  because that's, and again, speaks kind of to religion, but
• 1:18:13
  it's a sense of enlightenment. It's it's getting to a new
• 1:18:15
  level. It's pushing the boundaries of,
• 1:18:17
  of what there is. I refuse to accept that this,
• 1:18:21
  what we see every day is, is life because it's invented, as
• 1:18:24
  you say, by people for profit. This is this isn't why we're
• 1:18:28
  here. We weren't born to just, OK, you
• 1:18:32
  wake up, you get a job, you work 50 years, you retire, you die.
• 1:18:35
  That's not what life is supposed to be.
• 1:18:37
  It's what we've invented as a system, but it's not what life
• 1:18:41
  is supposed to be. So going back to what you talked
• 1:18:45
  about, where some people don't have inner dialogues, now we
• 1:18:48
  have and. It shows a.
• 1:18:49
  Population of people that may not have the mental faculties to
• 1:18:54
  think at a higher level. What do you do with them?
• 1:18:56
  OK, so that's another point though.
• 1:18:59
  Well, actually, no, it's the same.
• 1:19:01
  What do you do with them? What this is, this is this is
• 1:19:04
  the thing I've been banging on about with AI for years.
• 1:19:07
  AI right now is replacing jobs. Now some people go, oh it's
• 1:19:12
  great because people, it frees people up to do things.
• 1:19:16
  I'm like, you're missing the point.
• 1:19:18
  You have to. If you take one thing, you have
• 1:19:21
  to replace it with another. For instance, if I cut down a
• 1:19:24
  tree, what should I do? I should plant seeds to grow a
• 1:19:27
  new one. But the problem is it will take
• 1:19:30
  years for that tree to grow. OK, a human being is is the
• 1:19:36
  same, right? If I take a job away from you,
• 1:19:38
  there's not immediately going to be another job available.
• 1:19:41
  It will take years for a new job to take its place to come into
• 1:19:45
  fruition. What we've done now is we've
• 1:19:48
  eliminated lots and lots of jobs, lots and lots of
• 1:19:50
  opportunities. We're essentially replacing the
• 1:19:53
  need for humans to do things, but in the process we are
• 1:19:57
  replacing ourselves. There's so much media out there,
• 1:20:03
  like so many films, series that did comment on this and we talk
• 1:20:09
  about it and yet we don't. The leaders, I guess they're not
• 1:20:13
  paying attention or they want it to happen.
• 1:20:15
  I don't know. But we basically it's like art
• 1:20:18
  creates becomes life becomes art.
• 1:20:20
  You know, art imitates life, right?
• 1:20:23
  Life imitates art. Sorry, the Terminator series,
• 1:20:27
  right? There's I think there's
• 1:20:30
  literally so no in the matrix. He literally says Morpheus says
• 1:20:36
  we, we in the first film when he's sitting there and he's
• 1:20:40
  showing Neo what the matrix actually is.
• 1:20:42
  He says we marvelled at our own creation as we gave birth to AI.
• 1:20:46
  And to me, I, it sounded spot on.
• 1:20:49
  Humans arrogance. We marvelled our own creation.
• 1:20:52
  How wonderful we are. We created this AI.
• 1:20:55
  We're doing the same thing right now.
• 1:20:57
  We are fascinated by the AI in the Terminator series.
• 1:21:00
  It was the push and the and the IT was, it was kind of just like
• 1:21:05
  that pushing thing, like the constant fascination with
• 1:21:07
  technology. But the difference there is that
• 1:21:10
  technology and robotics were at the same level and moving
• 1:21:15
  together. So when they pulled the plug, it
• 1:21:18
  clicked at the same time. Whereas right now robotics is
• 1:21:21
  not quite at the same level as AI, but it's rapidly increasing.
• 1:21:25
  We're getting there and there'll be a point when robotics and AI
• 1:21:29
  meet and they come together. And then we've really got to
• 1:21:33
  start worrying because not only will AI be able to replace jobs,
• 1:21:39
  you know, on a screen, on a, on, you know, system or whatever, it
• 1:21:43
  will be able to replace manual labour jobs.
• 1:21:45
  So many of the jobs that you see being done by human beings will
• 1:21:49
  now be replaced by robots in an instance.
• 1:21:52
  Now, the ongoing conspiracy, if you believe in these things, is
• 1:21:57
  that it's all being done on purpose so as to force us into
• 1:22:01
  becoming a purely consumption based society.
• 1:22:05
  And you can see examples of this in in series like Black Mirror,
• 1:22:08
  for example. That's why I can't watch that
• 1:22:11
  show because it's it's too real. It's basically just a
• 1:22:13
  documentary at this point. There's a episode in the second
• 1:22:18
  season, I believe, second or third season.
• 1:22:22
  And basically society is like people, there's not much spoken
• 1:22:27
  about what they do outside of these centres, but it's positive
• 1:22:30
  that basically like you can exist in certain ways, but most
• 1:22:34
  people choose to be in these, like these centres where you can
• 1:22:37
  rent a space and every day you work, you like you cycle on an
• 1:22:42
  exercise bike and you accumulate money that way.
• 1:22:45
  And the more you put in, the more you get out and there's
• 1:22:48
  constantly things to kind of distract you and get you to
• 1:22:51
  spend your money. Everything from porn to like
• 1:22:54
  just food and drink to just just just consumption.
• 1:22:57
  No, no real job. Just and, and like the the
• 1:23:01
  cycling game that they're playing.
• 1:23:02
  It's just a gamification situation, just playing a
• 1:23:05
  pointless game and making money from it, Right?
• 1:23:08
  Sound familiar? We're already in that society.
• 1:23:12
  We just can't see it yet. But the scary thing is that
• 1:23:16
  reality is coming closer and closer, and we will get to a
• 1:23:20
  point where we won't have choice anymore over where we work.
• 1:23:24
  There just won't be work. There's this idea that we want
• 1:23:28
  to have universal basic income so that everyone gets money.
• 1:23:36
  Kind of similar to like communism in a sense that
• 1:23:37
  everyone has the same thing, but you at least have the choice
• 1:23:41
  over how you choose to spend that money.
• 1:23:44
  The idea is, oh we've built a society where everything is in
• 1:23:47
  abundance and you don't need to do anything.
• 1:23:49
  Everything is done for you. You don't need to do everything
• 1:23:51
  because the robots do it for you.
• 1:23:52
  A problem with a society like that, I think long term is if
• 1:23:56
  that did happen and it worked for a period of time, humans
• 1:23:59
  would get bored and they would be self-destructive because we
• 1:24:03
  need work. We need it for our soul.
• 1:24:07
  Not everyone is able to be a consumer.
• 1:24:10
  I know for instance, for myself, if I spend too long not working,
• 1:24:14
  I get depressed. I need to work, I need to build,
• 1:24:16
  I need to grow. A lot of human beings are like
• 1:24:19
  this. The reason why you're seeing in
• 1:24:22
  society now people being obsessed with AI and having fun
• 1:24:25
  with it and just not really taking it very seriously is
• 1:24:28
  because most people in society are consumers because that's
• 1:24:30
  what the system has built into US.
• 1:24:32
  You spoke about capitalism. We've been trained, we've been,
• 1:24:35
  we were born into that. People are used to just spending
• 1:24:38
  their money on things and not really thinking much about it.
• 1:24:42
  You mentioned earlier about how it doesn't really give you a
• 1:24:44
  sense of happiness really particularly, and you're right,
• 1:24:47
  I've, I've experienced that myself.
• 1:24:49
  When you get things in abundance, you get bored, you
• 1:24:51
  get complacent, you're like, well, what's the point when you
• 1:24:54
  have to really work for things and then you finally get that
• 1:24:57
  thing. Nothing's more rewarding than
• 1:24:59
  that because the odds were against you, because you
• 1:25:02
  remember the struggle. You remember all of that stuff?
• 1:25:05
  Do most people value that? Yeah.
• 1:25:08
  I, I, I, I feel like most people are fine just being consumers
• 1:25:11
  and I, I don't agree with it. But like I I'm of the belief
• 1:25:16
  that if we ever do end up in situation where there is
• 1:25:19
  universal basic income, that most people will probably just
• 1:25:24
  plug into something like the metaverse and live their life in
• 1:25:27
  there. Yeah.
• 1:25:29
  I mean, that's what essentially the Black Mirror episode that
• 1:25:33
  was talked about is. And even even if you're not
• 1:25:37
  plugged into that, I mean, Ready Player 1 is a good example.
• 1:25:41
  If you've ever seen that film, I highly recommend it.
• 1:25:44
  Go check it out. It's interesting.
• 1:25:45
  It is a fun sci-fi film, but if you look at it from the
• 1:25:49
  perspective of where we're going, it's kind of terrifying.
• 1:25:51
  Basically, the real world is absolutely destroyed.
• 1:25:55
  It's a mess. So everyone plugs into this
• 1:25:57
  video game and they experience life through that and they can
• 1:26:03
  have battles or they can just live or whatever, but they're
• 1:26:05
  all using avatars. They're not.
• 1:26:07
  They're real selves because it's better than living in the real
• 1:26:11
  world. The Matrix is the same principle
• 1:26:15
  as well, like the real world. If you delve into it, what
• 1:26:20
  essentially it says is that humans destroyed their own world
• 1:26:23
  and the machines essentially saved it and plugged them into
• 1:26:28
  this make believe system. And you know, the way they tell
• 1:26:33
  the story is that obviously like, you know, humans are
• 1:26:36
  subservient to the to the machines, but if you really
• 1:26:39
  delve into the law of it, it actually comes as a result of
• 1:26:43
  the human beings creating that situation for themselves.
• 1:26:46
  So like both are kind of to blame for different reasons.
• 1:26:50
  You know it's one of those. My view is that the real world
• 1:26:53
  will come out of premium and most people will not have the
• 1:26:55
  means to pay for that premium, so they're going to self select
• 1:26:59
  into the the virtual world. Yeah, I agree with you.
• 1:27:03
  We're already seeing that in society with subscription based
• 1:27:06
  services like Tesla did it. You have to like subscribe to
• 1:27:10
  have a car. What?
• 1:27:13
  But you do. And if you look at the way
• 1:27:16
  subscription tiers work now, it's fascinating, like they're
• 1:27:20
  constantly raising the subscription prices and having
• 1:27:24
  all these different tiers and the, the, the highest tier gets
• 1:27:29
  you everything, obviously. But then the basic tier is, is
• 1:27:32
  like pointlessness might not, it's there's no point having the
• 1:27:34
  lower tier. You might as well go for the
• 1:27:36
  highest tier. But the problem with that is how
• 1:27:42
  can you really justify that long term if everything is a
• 1:27:45
  subscription, as you say, eventually people will get
• 1:27:49
  priced out. The prices go too high, people
• 1:27:51
  don't want to pay for it. Man this is really dark.
• 1:27:59
  It's it, it is. But how do you how do you change
• 1:28:03
  it right so? That's a very good question.
• 1:28:06
  First of all, let's talk about Yeah, let's talk about I I don't
• 1:28:13
  think people are stepping up enough.
• 1:28:15
  And then the question becomes, are they even capable of
• 1:28:17
  stepping up enough? Back during World War 2 when
• 1:28:22
  they were conscripting soldiers, they found that people with like
• 1:28:25
  an IQ of 70 or so and lower, if they were to bring them into the
• 1:28:29
  military, it made things worse. So that was the cut off back in
• 1:28:33
  like the 1940s. But if you really think about
• 1:28:36
  it, that that floor has gone higher and higher with every
• 1:28:39
  decade because people need to learn more complex skills.
• 1:28:43
  So what is the floor today? And I think that floor today is
• 1:28:47
  probably higher than what most people realize.
• 1:28:49
  But we're just giving people jobs anyways because that's what
• 1:28:52
  we were trained to do. But if you really think about
• 1:28:55
  it, like for a lot of people, it may not be beneficial to hire
• 1:28:58
  them if not, if they're not able to do the job at the level we
• 1:29:02
  require them to. And that's where AI comes in.
• 1:29:04
  And that's probably why more and more jobs are going to be lost,
• 1:29:08
  not necessarily because people aren't willing to do it, but
• 1:29:11
  because people aren't capable of doing it.
• 1:29:13
  And it's just more cost effective to not use real
• 1:29:15
  people. So then the question becomes,
• 1:29:18
  what are we doing with these people?
• 1:29:20
  And like I said, I, I back when I was working at my last job, it
• 1:29:24
  was to the point where I probably could have replaced
• 1:29:26
  most, if not all my employees with AI.
• 1:29:29
  And if that were to happen, like, what could they have done
• 1:29:33
  afterwards? Because their skills were not up
• 1:29:35
  to the level that is required of like, I wasn't in a high tech
• 1:29:40
  company. It was a very simple job.
• 1:29:42
  So yeah, if the floor keeps rising, what are we going to do
• 1:29:46
  with these people? And if history repeats, what
• 1:29:50
  will end up happening is that there's going to be further
• 1:29:52
  classified, inequality is going to grow, and then there needs to
• 1:29:55
  be some sort of mass depth event in order to level out the
• 1:29:58
  playing field. In the past, these math test
• 1:30:00
  events have been revolutions, plague, what were the other
• 1:30:04
  ones? War.
• 1:30:05
  And there was like one more. But yeah, unless there's some
• 1:30:09
  kind of inherent redistribution mechanism like Ubi, like the
• 1:30:13
  situation is just going to keep getting worse, getting worse and
• 1:30:15
  worse until there is some kind of reset in the form of like a
• 1:30:19
  mass death situation. I'm a big fan of Star Trek,
• 1:30:22
  right? And I look at the kind of utopia
• 1:30:27
  they live in, how it works, and I compare that with where we're
• 1:30:31
  at, right? What the my main take away is
• 1:30:35
  that we don't put enough resources into science, space
• 1:30:39
  exploration, stuff like that. If we focused all of our efforts
• 1:30:42
  and time and energy on that, we might get to a point where we
• 1:30:45
  can build a society that has abundance, that has the
• 1:30:51
  technology to provide food and drink and shelter to everyone.
• 1:30:54
  And therefore, if you cover the basic needs, human beings can do
• 1:30:59
  anything. They can be anything.
• 1:31:03
  Ubi wouldn't be the same thing because you're trying to just
• 1:31:07
  present a society that can just consume, but doesn't grow,
• 1:31:11
  change, or have any choice. They're stuck.
• 1:31:14
  They become vegetative, vegetative vegetables.
• 1:31:17
  They become vegetables. So what about people that are
• 1:31:22
  incapable of stepping up to what society needs them to be?
• 1:31:26
  Well, there's always going to be differences between human beings
• 1:31:28
  because naturally we are all different.
• 1:31:31
  And that's kind of what makes a society run as you have
• 1:31:34
  different people warming different types of jobs that are
• 1:31:37
  all equally as important. You know, like people can laugh
• 1:31:41
  and say like, oh, lower skilled jobs, they mean nothing.
• 1:31:43
  But like when those jobs don't get done, you start seeing the
• 1:31:47
  problems straight away. It's like, hey, all that the
• 1:31:50
  bins weren't taken out. You start seeing that as a real
• 1:31:53
  problem real quickly. You know, it's very important.
• 1:31:56
  Just as people performing science that comes up with cures
• 1:32:02
  for diseases and stuff is equally as important.
• 1:32:05
  All of these things need to happen in order for society to
• 1:32:09
  function. But we can't have everybody
• 1:32:13
  picking up garbage. We can't have everybody doing
• 1:32:16
  those things right. Precisely so you have to find
• 1:32:19
  your slot in society and that's. Only if society gives you a
• 1:32:22
  slot. This is the thing, isn't it?
• 1:32:24
  Because right now we live in a society where you have to find
• 1:32:27
  your own, which is brutal but also necessary.
• 1:32:32
  But. And if I think this is where
• 1:32:34
  you're going, if we build a society where we essentially
• 1:32:40
  eliminate the need for most things, then where is your place
• 1:32:44
  in society? Yeah.
• 1:32:46
  So if you're like the dilemma in the States where there are job
• 1:32:50
  openings but nobody's filling them up, but Despite that, there
• 1:32:53
  seems to be not enough jobs, right?
• 1:32:56
  And the only way you can really reconcile that is that the
• 1:32:59
  people that are looking for jobs, they don't have the skills
• 1:33:01
  necessary to fill. The jobs that people are looking
• 1:33:04
  for are the roles that people are looking to fill.
• 1:33:08
  So then it kind of comes back to what I was saying, which is
• 1:33:10
  that, and perhaps the floor is too high for many of these
• 1:33:13
  people to reach. And there's also the aspect that
• 1:33:15
  you were talking about, which is that people are lazy and are not
• 1:33:18
  willing to learn. But I, I do think that the floor
• 1:33:21
  is getting higher than than what we need.
• 1:33:23
  Like we don't need as many retail workers.
• 1:33:24
  We don't need as many people doing these low skilled jobs and
• 1:33:28
  like what do we do with them? Like so the the ideal situation
• 1:33:32
  is that an entrepreneur comes along and finds a new way to
• 1:33:36
  find like create value and that requires the use of a lot of low
• 1:33:42
  skilled people. But that's not reality.
• 1:33:44
  Like if if something's if something is easy and can be
• 1:33:47
  done with low skilled labour, it probably is already being done.
• 1:33:50
  Yeah. And normally these things just
• 1:33:54
  get quietly replaced and people just have to find a way to deal
• 1:33:57
  with it. Like when we eliminated the need
• 1:34:00
  for the UK is a really good example, right?
• 1:34:03
  We used to have a lot of industry in this country.
• 1:34:06
  We used to create steel, we had coal mines, we had all sorts.
• 1:34:12
  And then basically what we did is we closed them down.
• 1:34:18
  We took all the job to the workers and we outsourced all of
• 1:34:21
  that because it was cheaper to do that.
• 1:34:23
  But the problem with that is we eliminated all of our industry.
• 1:34:28
  Now the main source of industry in this country is financial
• 1:34:31
  services. We do have some exports because
• 1:34:34
  we do still produce a little bit, but not nearly what we used
• 1:34:37
  to produce. So if people ever wonder like,
• 1:34:39
  oh, why is the UK not a huge power anymore, it's not just
• 1:34:43
  because we're not an empire anymore, but it's because we
• 1:34:45
  killed our industry and we didn't think long term.
• 1:34:49
  And if you don't have industry, then you don't have a system
• 1:34:55
  that can kind of exist in of itself because the whole point
• 1:35:00
  is you sell in your country, but also to other countries and you
• 1:35:03
  make money from that. That's why China is so
• 1:35:06
  successful. It's not like an overnight
• 1:35:08
  thing. Like we set the stage for that
• 1:35:12
  many, many, many years ago and they took the ball and ran with
• 1:35:15
  it. And now they're benefiting from
• 1:35:18
  years and years of success of doing that.
• 1:35:21
  We could have been in a similar position had we chose to keep
• 1:35:24
  our industry and figure out a different way of doing things
• 1:35:27
  rather than just outsourcing everything or, you know,
• 1:35:30
  importing. Everything that's tough though,
• 1:35:33
  right? But let's let's say like you
• 1:35:34
  didn't outsource your steel. That doesn't stop China and your
• 1:35:39
  competitors from creating steel, and their cost of Labor is much
• 1:35:42
  lower than yours. Absolutely.
• 1:35:43
  So like inevitably your steel factories will just shut down
• 1:35:47
  from not being competitive. So you have to innovate and come
• 1:35:50
  up with a way to produce cheaper steel.
• 1:35:52
  But innovation typically means getting rid of workers and
• 1:35:55
  automating it. Or you refocus.
• 1:35:59
  So as let's take that point, OK, let's say it's too expensive to
• 1:36:02
  create steel. We get to a point where we just
• 1:36:04
  can't do it sustainably anymore, right?
• 1:36:06
  So we pull out of that, but then we reinvest into another source
• 1:36:11
  of industry that we produce, that we make.
• 1:36:15
  Life is all about adapting and overcoming.
• 1:36:18
  You know you have to. Adjust.
• 1:36:20
  I 100% agree. If if someone can come along and
• 1:36:23
  create a new product with utilizing the existing skill for
• 1:36:26
  the labor force and whatnot and that product, it has demand for
• 1:36:30
  it, then yes, that will that that could have saved your, your
• 1:36:33
  country's industry. And The thing is, it can still
• 1:36:37
  be saved. We can still create here and
• 1:36:40
  anytime you create something and let's say you need like
• 1:36:45
  factories to produce, lo and behold that that now jobs are
• 1:36:49
  created. You know, there's always
• 1:36:51
  potential for jobs to be created.
• 1:36:52
  Economics might not, might not make sense, right, Because I
• 1:36:55
  don't know what the the labour rate is in the UK, but.
• 1:37:00
  Like, I'm not, I'm not explaining this, I'm just kind
• 1:37:02
  of talking like generally speaking, but.
• 1:37:05
  No, it's so easy to copy now, that's the thing, right?
• 1:37:07
  So somebody come up with something that's that's genius.
• 1:37:09
  And you can hire a bunch of UK natives to to run the factory.
• 1:37:13
  But then somebody in China can be like, hey, I can do that with
• 1:37:15
  workers that cost 20% of the the labour and all of the
• 1:37:19
  infrastructure is cheaper. It could sell closer in China.
• 1:37:22
  So now you have a competing product that's coming out of
• 1:37:24
  China. And we know that people don't
• 1:37:27
  really care about place of like a manufacturer.
• 1:37:29
  They just care about price. So it's going to be really tough
• 1:37:32
  to compete in that situation. As you're competing with in
• 1:37:36
  China, there's a lot of, there's a lot of situations where people
• 1:37:41
  don't get paid or paid anything at all.
• 1:37:43
  You know, there's a lot of like labour exploitation there.
• 1:37:46
  So you're competing with that. From a business, business
• 1:37:48
  perspective, you're competing with that and it's impossible to
• 1:37:51
  compete with unpaid labour. Now again, I'm not saying that
• 1:37:55
  all labour out there is unpaid. I'm just saying in certain
• 1:37:58
  instances and there's been proof of this.
• 1:38:00
  But we don't have to go that far, right?
• 1:38:02
  We can just say that we, we know that their hourly rate or there
• 1:38:05
  is like let's say $4.00 an hour compared to whatever it is in
• 1:38:08
  the UK. Like, yeah, makes it.
• 1:38:12
  If they do everything above board, they're still going to be
• 1:38:14
  hyper competitive. Yeah, and they will continue to
• 1:38:17
  be and we need to find a way to to move past that.
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  And I'm not sure how we're going to do it in this country.
• 1:38:25
  I worry, I worry about the future.
• 1:38:26
  It's, it's pretty bad in the UK right now economy wise.
• 1:38:31
  Like I saw like every April our it's a big running joke here.
• 1:38:34
  But our minimum wage goes up, right?
• 1:38:39
  But obviously inflation goes up, everything else goes up.
• 1:38:42
  So it's pointless. It's literally pointless.
• 1:38:45
  It has like the wages have to go, have to be increased in
• 1:38:49
  order for people to be able to afford anything.
• 1:38:52
  But people can't afford anything anyway because those things keep
• 1:38:54
  increasing. So it's, it's literally
• 1:38:56
  pointless. It's, it's just such a ludicrous
• 1:38:58
  thing. They're like, oh, we've
• 1:38:59
  increased wages. And it's like, yeah, but it
• 1:39:01
  doesn't matter. You have to.
• 1:39:04
  And if you didn't, there'd be an uproar.
• 1:39:06
  Yeah, so you really see it, right, where society is kind of
• 1:39:10
  just shaped in a way to stop the uproar from happening and
• 1:39:15
  nothing more. Yeah, but I think they're
• 1:39:17
  running out of ways to do that now because things are getting
• 1:39:19
  very desperate. And there's only so much you can
• 1:39:24
  ask your people before they start to revolt, you know, and
• 1:39:27
  some people are more, some, some are more vocal than others.
• 1:39:30
  You know, like I've always admired the French for how like
• 1:39:34
  vocal they are and how they, they're very organized with
• 1:39:36
  protests and they just, they're kind of crazy with it, but they
• 1:39:40
  get they get action, you know, and they.
• 1:39:42
  What has been the long term result of that though?
• 1:39:44
  The long term result is that the the French are uncompetitive on
• 1:39:47
  the world stage now. Well.
• 1:39:48
  There you go. But you know, the French people
• 1:39:51
  get what they want. Do they know?
• 1:39:53
  In the short term, but in the long term, who who knows what's
• 1:39:56
  that's going to look like, right?
• 1:39:56
  Because if you're not able to compete in the international
• 1:39:59
  stage, their quality of life's going to continue to drop.
• 1:40:02
  So if your quality of life drops and you expect more from your
• 1:40:04
  government, that means taxes have to go up.
• 1:40:07
  But this is the thing. Governments don't explain these
• 1:40:09
  things in such clear terms, and they almost never do things that
• 1:40:16
  basically, like, for instance, taxes are going up here all the
• 1:40:19
  time, but we're not seeing improvements in things like our
• 1:40:21
  council taxes keep going up. And I can show you like a
• 1:40:24
  million plot potholes where you just be like, that's like a
• 1:40:26
  crater. And I'd be like, yeah, so
• 1:40:28
  where's the money going? You know, like things like that.
• 1:40:32
  Like I'm all for paying into a system and and getting money
• 1:40:36
  from that system. Like for instance, the NHS is a
• 1:40:39
  good example of that. We pay a thing here called
• 1:40:41
  National Insurance, which goes towards that makes sense to me.
• 1:40:45
  You know, you get a free healthcare system.
• 1:40:47
  Technically it's not free because you're paying into it,
• 1:40:49
  but you're not paying like 10s of thousands of pounds.
• 1:40:52
  You're paying a little bit of money every month and you
• 1:40:55
  benefit from that service, but it's overrun.
• 1:41:00
  Yeah, The issue ends up being that government ends up being
• 1:41:02
  inefficient. I have like a perfect example of
• 1:41:04
  that in Canada, cataract surgery.
• 1:41:07
  I'm not an expert here, but in the past, cataracts used to be
• 1:41:10
  the surgery to heal or to this stuff.
• 1:41:14
  I don't know if you're fixing or whatnot, but certain.
• 1:41:15
  The procedure involved many doctors, many hours, and it was
• 1:41:19
  billed at a very high rate. But then technology developed
• 1:41:22
  and now you're able to do it in like half an hour.
• 1:41:24
  So all the people that were doing cataract surgeries ended
• 1:41:26
  up becoming millionaires because the building was still based off
• 1:41:29
  the old method and they were just like turning through these
• 1:41:31
  are like half an hour, half an hour race compares like the
• 1:41:35
  previous six hours, whatever it took.
• 1:41:37
  So that's where government's inefficient because if the
• 1:41:39
  private market were to have done that, the cost of the surgery
• 1:41:42
  would have just gone down and it wouldn't have been such a burden
• 1:41:45
  on taxpayers. But you know, if I were an
• 1:41:48
  ophthalmologist or whoever it was that does it, I'd be
• 1:41:50
  extremely happy. Yeah, you can get less for more
• 1:41:52
  happy days. Yeah, it's why I love like half
• 1:41:55
  so interesting when I do like acting and I get like a day
• 1:41:59
  where not needed for the full day.
• 1:42:02
  So it's like, great, still get paid for.
• 1:42:05
  Yeah. Happy days.
• 1:42:06
  If you're able to benefit from it, why not, right?
• 1:42:07
  What has philosophy taught you about life?
• 1:42:10
  OK, So are, are you familiar with determinism?
• 1:42:15
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:42:17
  So for the audience, determinism is the idea that like effects,
• 1:42:21
  essentially it's like fate where the pat the the things that
• 1:42:24
  happened in the past influence the future.
• 1:42:26
  And when you think about it that way, at least the same way I do,
• 1:42:31
  it makes a lot of sense. And you kind of start seeing the
• 1:42:33
  world in terms of math like so for example, when you toss, when
• 1:42:37
  you toss dice, if you're able to calculate the velocity and the
• 1:42:43
  angles and the surface and everything that it bounces off
• 1:42:45
  of, you could theoretically determine what the size of those
• 1:42:48
  dice are the moment you you to toss the dice.
• 1:42:51
  But what if you were to take it a look like one step further,
• 1:42:53
  right. So right now for humans, we
• 1:42:55
  haven't confirmed or but we haven't confirmed what thought
• 1:43:01
  is. We don't know what thought is.
• 1:43:02
  But what if everything is all just electrical signals and your
• 1:43:06
  chemicals happening in your brain and that is what dictates
• 1:43:09
  your actions and everything that that you do.
• 1:43:12
  That's all based in real life and physics as well.
• 1:43:15
  So you can calculate all of that.
• 1:43:18
  You could essentially like determine how hard somebody
• 1:43:20
  would throw the dice before they even tossed it.
• 1:43:24
  So if you think about determinism in that sense, and
• 1:43:27
  literally everything is just math, and you can kind of just
• 1:43:33
  use that as a way to not necessarily predict the future
• 1:43:37
  but make assumptions about the future.
• 1:43:39
  Does that? Does that kind of make sense?
• 1:43:42
  Do I need to go in deeper and any ideas like that?
• 1:43:43
  Yeah. So that's kind of how I see the
• 1:43:47
  world now. It's, it's fascinating.
• 1:43:52
  I wish I could, I could like show you what it's like inside
• 1:43:55
  my head sometimes. But like, for example, let's
• 1:43:57
  take content creation as a YouTube right of success as a
• 1:44:02
  YouTube is like based on a couple of things, right #1 is
• 1:44:05
  how many people did you reach #2 is like, how good is your
• 1:44:07
  content? And you can like control for
• 1:44:09
  that. So an idea here is like surface
• 1:44:12
  area. The more things I touch, the
• 1:44:14
  higher the likelihood is that something can go exponential and
• 1:44:19
  become like, viral, right? So I just need to put myself out
• 1:44:21
  there more often, which is why I do things like go on podcasts
• 1:44:24
  and make videos. And I should be putting out more
• 1:44:26
  shorts. But I don't agree with shorts.
• 1:44:28
  That's a different story. But it's the same thing in like,
• 1:44:32
  dating, right? Like, if you want to find a
• 1:44:33
  mate, you just want to talk to more people.
• 1:44:35
  And there's this like a, a probability that one of them
• 1:44:37
  will convert into a mate. And it's, it's weird to think
• 1:44:40
  about it like that. But yeah, I kind of just see
• 1:44:42
  everything is like math now. I mean, you're certainly in the
• 1:44:45
  right place for YouTube because a lot of people would agree with
• 1:44:48
  you. That's how Mr. Beast makes a
• 1:44:50
  living, isn't it? It's like studying the algorithm
• 1:44:52
  to the point where it's like you're just rinsing it for
• 1:44:54
  everything it's worth. But there's a certain amount of
• 1:44:56
  truth to that. You know, sometimes, like I'll
• 1:44:59
  drop my videos at the time that YouTube says most of my viewers
• 1:45:03
  and listeners are on. It makes no difference.
• 1:45:05
  But I just I like to play with it and just see if anything will
• 1:45:08
  make a difference. It could make a difference, You
• 1:45:10
  never know, right? Boy, that's the thing I I've
• 1:45:13
  been doing this a long time, about 7 years now.
• 1:45:16
  I've been doing YouTube, podcasting, live streaming.
• 1:45:21
  I've done short form content, mid tier content, long form
• 1:45:25
  content. Obviously I produce music.
• 1:45:27
  I, I do acting, voice acting, I've done skits, I've done
• 1:45:30
  comedy, you name it. I've tried it.
• 1:45:32
  I've tried posting every single day, I've tried posting three
• 1:45:35
  times a day. I've literally done it all and
• 1:45:39
  seen and done it all. I can tell you when I had viral
• 1:45:42
  content nothing came of it other than I managed to get like 20 K
• 1:45:48
  on a TikTok account which I remember someone said years ago
• 1:45:52
  and I agree with this. They were like oh a million
• 1:45:55
  views on TikTok is like 1000 views on YouTube.
• 1:45:59
  And I was like yes that's that's pretty fair.
• 1:46:01
  But the thing the thing that taught me is that virality
• 1:46:03
  doesn't really account for much. It's long term that matters.
• 1:46:08
  Well, we're already increasing. Exposure, right and.
• 1:46:11
  Sure. But you you need, you need, you
• 1:46:13
  need, you need, like, that's going to go down.
• 1:46:16
  OK. Like numbers don't really
• 1:46:18
  account for much. What matters is the
• 1:46:21
  relationships you build with the people that are there, right?
• 1:46:25
  Your audience, your target audience, whoever you've
• 1:46:27
  actually reached. Like I have like 1700 on
• 1:46:32
  YouTube, right? I'm not even monetized yet.
• 1:46:36
  I don't get enough watch hours. And I've I've done all the
• 1:46:39
  things you're supposed to do, right?
• 1:46:40
  But it's not what there's a million reasons why that might
• 1:46:43
  be the case. There's a million reasons why
• 1:46:44
  that might not be the case. Some of it just comes down to
• 1:46:46
  luck. I don't really have the answer
• 1:46:49
  studying the algorithm. I, I don't, I don't want to say
• 1:46:52
  I don't believe in luck, but like imagine if the world is
• 1:46:59
  deterministic, then luck is simply you not knowing all the,
• 1:47:02
  all the values and you being impacted by values that you
• 1:47:05
  don't understand. So like a random example, like
• 1:47:08
  people getting hit by a bullet that a stray bullet, right?
• 1:47:11
  If you knew that stray bullet was coming, you'd dodge it.
• 1:47:13
  It's not necessarily lucky. It's, it's a lack of
• 1:47:15
  information. So my philosophy is if you know,
• 1:47:20
  if you can do anything, if you know how to do it because the
• 1:47:22
  world is not truly random. So he's.
• 1:47:26
  Saying a reason I'm not successful is I just don't know
• 1:47:28
  enough. Well, if you knew how to become
• 1:47:30
  successful, you'd be successful. Right.
• 1:47:32
  Great way of putting it. I love this guy.
• 1:47:34
  Yeah, it's like. This is this is where my, my, my
• 1:47:41
  deep dives into random academic studies is like has has become
• 1:47:45
  fruitful because I'm able to, to understand.
• 1:47:47
  I want to understand, but like think about these things like
• 1:47:50
  the only true source of random in the world that that we
• 1:47:55
  believe exists, we haven't confirmed this is truly random
• 1:47:57
  or not is a quantum mechanics where we believe that there
• 1:48:01
  seems to be, I forget what the name of it is, but let me let me
• 1:48:05
  try to dive into my brain to see if I can remember.
• 1:48:07
  The point is the only thing that is truly random in the world
• 1:48:10
  that we that we believe to be truly random in the world is
• 1:48:12
  quantum mechanics. But it could also just be that
• 1:48:15
  we don't unfoldly understand it and that is actually is
• 1:48:18
  deterministic as well. So based on how if you believe
• 1:48:22
  everything else is deterministic, then as long as
• 1:48:25
  you understand what all the variables are, you should be
• 1:48:27
  able to like manipulate, not manipulate.
• 1:48:30
  Use it to your advantage. I completely agree with you.
• 1:48:34
  I've always looked at fascination with with my
• 1:48:38
  content. I've always wished that I could
• 1:48:40
  have someone like work for me and figure it out because I feel
• 1:48:43
  like the contents good. It's just how it's presented and
• 1:48:49
  and like how to, you know, you know what I'm saying like
• 1:48:51
  because. I I tried hiring somebody for
• 1:48:54
  this. I had a ton of the money, dude.
• 1:48:56
  Yeah, that's the that's the thing.
• 1:48:57
  Like I would love to and people have offered and I'm like, I
• 1:49:00
  can't pay you, you know, because everything is about money.
• 1:49:04
  What? If what if by paying somebody
• 1:49:10
  and by investing the capital on it, you do like do you see a
• 1:49:14
  path towards getting a return on that investment?
• 1:49:17
  Yes, right. So if you do see that path and
• 1:49:20
  you should do it because you think about like if you believe
• 1:49:24
  that the only reason why? I would have had the money to
• 1:49:27
  invest because it's never been a case of willingness.
• 1:49:31
  I'd do it tomorrow if I was able to, but like, I'm not.
• 1:49:34
  Going to tell you to take out a loan and do it because I don't
• 1:49:36
  know, it's a tradition, but yeah.
• 1:49:37
  Well, I wouldn't be able to anyway.
• 1:49:39
  I'm in a dire financial situation.
• 1:49:42
  I'm between jobs. And to be honest, I'm using this
• 1:49:46
  time as effectively as I can creatively while I try to figure
• 1:49:50
  out my life because I don't know, I don't know what's next.
• 1:49:52
  It's it's hard like when when your life is, I don't know if
• 1:49:55
  I'm going to eat tomorrow. I don't know if I'm going to
• 1:49:57
  survive tomorrow. Like you do tend to look at
• 1:49:59
  things a bit differently. And of course, like doing this
• 1:50:02
  for such a long time has an impact as well.
• 1:50:05
  But yeah, from a purely from a business perspective, I've, I've
• 1:50:07
  seen it happen with YouTube channels.
• 1:50:11
  Like for instance, I, I, I, I quite like, like wrestling
• 1:50:13
  content, but I'm not really plugged into the bottom product.
• 1:50:18
  But it's cool and interesting to see like wrestlers gone by or
• 1:50:21
  wrestlers who maybe are still involved, but like on a limited
• 1:50:25
  scale. So they're just like being
• 1:50:27
  interviewed by someone who's managing their channel, right?
• 1:50:31
  They'll have like, there's a good guy.
• 1:50:33
  Here's an example. There's, there was a wrestler
• 1:50:34
  called Maven years ago. He was in the WWE for about 5
• 1:50:38
  years. OK, Then he moved on with his
• 1:50:41
  life, did other things and he set up a YouTube channel a
• 1:50:45
  couple of years ago. I, I don't know how many
• 1:50:48
  subscribers it's got, but it's got a lot, it's got a lot of
• 1:50:50
  views and it looks and feels different to all of the
• 1:50:54
  wrestling YouTube channels that are out there.
• 1:50:57
  Kind of leans more into like classic wrestling style, sorry,
• 1:51:01
  classic YouTube style as far as like the formatting and
• 1:51:04
  everything. But it works well because it's
• 1:51:07
  him reacting to content, modern stuff, people talking about
• 1:51:11
  wrestling, whatever. And you can tell that the person
• 1:51:14
  that is helping him with it is doing research and figuring out
• 1:51:19
  like, oh, we could try this, we could try this, we could post it
• 1:51:21
  this time we could use this thumbnail.
• 1:51:23
  We can, you know what I mean? Like all the things that you're
• 1:51:25
  supposed to trial. I would love to have that
• 1:51:28
  support, but I need the investment, I need the money and
• 1:51:32
  you got to have this. Where behind?
• 1:51:33
  You I think AI is amazing because AI has helped me has
• 1:51:39
  like I, for example, when I do my set, I don't know anything
• 1:51:42
  about building sets. So I'll take a screenshot and
• 1:51:44
  I'll send it to AI be like, what is wrong with this image?
• 1:51:46
  And it'll tell me everything. It'll be like this is wrong,
• 1:51:48
  your lighting's wrong, everything like that.
• 1:51:50
  And that's like one of the ways how I was able to like level up
• 1:51:53
  my set game. And it's not just that.
• 1:51:55
  It's like a bunch of other things too where there's a gap
• 1:51:57
  in my knowledge and I'm able to fill it with AI rather than
• 1:51:59
  spending capital. Well, I'll certainly do more,
• 1:52:01
  more research myself. Like I've said, I've used it for
• 1:52:05
  Riverside AI, which has been an interesting journey because I
• 1:52:09
  used to do like a Zoom podcast and I'd edit everything myself,
• 1:52:14
  which seems crazy now. Like I can't imagine doing that
• 1:52:17
  now, because now it just goes directly into Riverside and it
• 1:52:23
  creates all the stuff for you. And it always seems to clip the
• 1:52:26
  stuff that I would have probably clipped myself, to be honest,
• 1:52:30
  you know, So I don't, I don't even, I, I, it took me a lot
• 1:52:34
  because I, I clipped stuff for like 4 years and then I stopped
• 1:52:39
  doing it. And then for like a year I
• 1:52:42
  didn't do it. And people were like, you should
• 1:52:43
  clip. And I'm like, I did it for four
• 1:52:45
  years, man. And then I was like, I should, I
• 1:52:47
  should clip again. But I don't want to do it myself
• 1:52:50
  because of all the time it took and I can't afford to pay
• 1:52:53
  someone. And then I discovered River.
• 1:52:55
  Oh, it sounds like a fucking advert again.
• 1:52:58
  It was good product to me. I wish, I wish I could get a
• 1:53:01
  sponsored because I could. I could sell anything, man.
• 1:53:04
  I believe I could sell a dying man in health insurance, but I
• 1:53:07
  believe it. But anyway, there is something
• 1:53:12
  that's interesting about it because it seems to I think over
• 1:53:17
  time understand you better as well and what you're looking
• 1:53:19
  for. Like I remember it used to get
• 1:53:22
  my certain things about my, my name and other things wrong.
• 1:53:25
  It doesn't get that wrong anymore.
• 1:53:27
  That's interesting. It's only.
• 1:53:30
  Getting better man. Yeah, it's machine learning, but
• 1:53:33
  and it's good in that sense. And like you said, it's great
• 1:53:36
  when it's as an assistant kind of tool thing.
• 1:53:39
  Fantastic. But yeah, like when you put all
• 1:53:43
  this stuff online, it's it's unpredictable, you know, I mean,
• 1:53:47
  this is, I've been doing this six years, over 350 plus
• 1:53:52
  episodes. There's like a whole Bank of
• 1:53:55
  content there. I've trialled like posting older
• 1:53:57
  content as well, seeing how that might do.
• 1:54:00
  Nothing really ever changes. But it's also like I've saved
• 1:54:06
  time now as well by not having to invest all my time in in like
• 1:54:11
  editing, which I I hate it. I love this.
• 1:54:13
  This is the best part doing the actual show.
• 1:54:16
  But the editing and social media and the promotion is, is so
• 1:54:19
  thankless. It's a necessary part of it.
• 1:54:22
  But if you can use AI and use a tool or have a staff, it really
• 1:54:27
  just changes everything for you. And, and it means that you have
• 1:54:29
  more freedom and space to do what you love.
• 1:54:32
  You know, which is the important thing and that's going to come
• 1:54:34
  across in the product. Yeah, like, for example, you can
• 1:54:39
  set AI up in a way to automatically post your clips
• 1:54:42
  on, on TikTok or X or whatnot. Like I, I need to get around to
• 1:54:46
  this. But the, the main thing is that
• 1:54:48
  AI cost money as well. Yeah, but I could set up like a
• 1:54:52
  open claw to scrape my my scripts, figure out what the
• 1:54:56
  best parts are, and just like have it automatically post on X,
• 1:54:59
  you know, snippets from my my videos every couple hours.
• 1:55:02
  One way we're looking at it, I need to look into this more
• 1:55:05
  because I feel like I'm only scratching the surface with
• 1:55:07
  this, but we'll see. We'll see.
• 1:55:10
  Before we move on, I want to ask, why don't you like YouTube
• 1:55:13
  shots? I'm not letting you get away
• 1:55:15
  with it. It seems like the most of the
• 1:55:19
  research is saying that it's probably bad for people's health
• 1:55:23
  and mental capabilities in the long term.
• 1:55:26
  It seems to be dropping people's ability to focus.
• 1:55:30
  And even for myself, like back when I was back when I tried
• 1:55:34
  short form content, hours of my life would go by in like a blink
• 1:55:37
  of an eye. So overall, I don't think that
• 1:55:41
  it's a positive for society. And it's like, this is actually
• 1:55:46
  one of the reasons why I love cannabis as well, which was that
• 1:55:49
  one in four people that use cannabis get addicted to it.
• 1:55:52
  And a lot of the people that are getting addicted to it and
• 1:55:55
  having their life go in a negative trajectory are
• 1:55:58
  children. And I just didn't really want to
• 1:56:00
  be a part of that. And if I believe that for short
• 1:56:04
  as well, I'm not quite sure if I want to be contributing to that.
• 1:56:07
  What if the content is snippets from what you're doing though?
• 1:56:12
  Is that not like a positive in some way?
• 1:56:14
  Because I mean, you're, you're making that profound points,
• 1:56:18
  assertions, judgments, etcetera, right?
• 1:56:21
  And sometimes that can be a gateway into things.
• 1:56:25
  For instance, like I couldn't sit here and say that having
• 1:56:29
  short form clips for the podcast is not valuable in some way
• 1:56:32
  because it does drive content and it does push people to go
• 1:56:34
  check out a full show, you know? Yeah, I, I, I understand that
• 1:56:38
  point of view, but it's kind of like with cannabis as well.
• 1:56:42
  I think that cannabis can have profoundly positive impact on
• 1:56:45
  people's lives, but the fact that it ruins, not ruined, but
• 1:56:48
  the fact that like one in four people get addicted to it and
• 1:56:50
  could potentially get ruined it it, it's a pretty big negative.
• 1:56:54
  And I'm not quite sure the negatives, if the positives can
• 1:56:58
  off like offset that negative for shorts.
• 1:57:02
  Once again, I'm opened. I I have produced some shorts
• 1:57:05
  and I'm open to producing more, but I'm not 100% convinced that
• 1:57:11
  I need them yet. Fair play.
• 1:57:13
  Let's move it forward. Final couple of questions for
• 1:57:15
  you to round things out for today.
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  It's the worst advice you've ever received.
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  Worst advice I've ever received. I can't think of one in
• 1:57:24
  particular, but what I would more interesting thing I think
• 1:57:28
  that people would want to hear is that I used to think I was
• 1:57:32
  like a complete idiot because that's what my teachers, my
• 1:57:35
  parents would tell me. So not necessarily advice, but
• 1:57:38
  it like negative. I wouldn't say negatively, but
• 1:57:40
  it impacted how I viewed myself going through life where I
• 1:57:43
  thought that like I, I was the kind of kid in school that would
• 1:57:48
  always get in trouble, would fail, I would fail courses and
• 1:57:51
  get like put in detention and whatnot.
• 1:57:53
  And this is kind of where going back to like the delusion thing.
• 1:57:56
  Was that a delusion? Was I truly an idiot or, or
• 1:58:00
  people just telling me that? And because I believed it, it
• 1:58:03
  shaped the way I behaved and it shaped my reality.
• 1:58:06
  So in a way. That's interesting.
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  Yeah, in a way. Like, it's not a silly advice.
• 1:58:12
  Maybe the advice was like, don't be an idiot.
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  But like I, I truly did believe that I was, you know, like top
• 1:58:19
  of the curve. Is crazy as well when I think
• 1:58:20
  about school. I had a similar experience to
• 1:58:23
  you. I really did.
• 1:58:24
  I I felt I was stupid people led me to believe that but it wasn't
• 1:58:30
  true. I know what it took was that one
• 1:58:33
  teacher to really push me as well.
• 1:58:35
  I've told this story many times but I was failing all my
• 1:58:39
  courses. There was a business course that
• 1:58:43
  I was doing and they like lost my work.
• 1:58:46
  It was crazy. So I was just demo of it.
• 1:58:49
  I didn't care and we got a new teacher.
• 1:58:53
  She like took over as head of department as well.
• 1:58:57
  And I always felt like the best teachers tended to be parents
• 1:59:00
  like people that had kids. She had like a son.
• 1:59:04
  I'm soon to remember 2 boys, I think.
• 1:59:07
  Anyway, she sat down with me and she was like, I can see how
• 1:59:15
  you're doing. What's your goal here?
• 1:59:18
  What do you want to achieve? And I got really annoyed at that
• 1:59:22
  because I was like, she would have known about the lost work.
• 1:59:25
  She would have known that I was failing.
• 1:59:27
  And you know, I was, I was a teenager.
• 1:59:29
  I was a smart aleck. I was a smart ass, you know?
• 1:59:32
  So I was sarcastic, and I was like, oh, I want to ace the
• 1:59:34
  course, you know, because I was like, I was failing, so there's
• 1:59:38
  no way. And she just went quiet.
• 1:59:42
  And then she turned around and she said, well, you're going to
• 1:59:44
  have to work very hard then, aren't you?
• 1:59:46
  And I remember just thinking like, like, there's there's a
• 1:59:51
  chance. And she's like, yeah, I was
• 1:59:54
  like, are you serious? And she's like, yeah.
• 1:59:56
  And she's like, and I'll help you get like to achieve that
• 1:59:59
  goal. And for the first time I was
• 2:00:01
  like, I actually believed that someone wanted to help.
• 2:00:07
  I, I ran with it. I was like, OK, I'll trust you.
• 2:00:09
  Let's, let's do this. And I went from failing the
• 2:00:12
  course to like acing it, being like top of the class, top marks
• 2:00:18
  went on to do the next course, same thing.
• 2:00:21
  And I realized, Oh, I was never stupid.
• 2:00:26
  It was just like people's attitudes and, and people making
• 2:00:30
  me feel as so exactly what you said, exactly what you said.
• 2:00:33
  It's it's it frames your reality and school.
• 2:00:37
  I think what I've realized about school, I didn't realize it then
• 2:00:39
  I had inklings, but I didn't really realize it.
• 2:00:42
  School tries to put you in a box but.
• 2:00:45
  You're in the matrix. It well, yeah, I mean, like you
• 2:00:47
  think about it as well, like school is designed for different
• 2:00:50
  things. Like in the UK we have a very
• 2:00:52
  archaic, outdated system, OK, that was built for people post
• 2:00:58
  war. It's like factory workers.
• 2:01:00
  It was supposed to kind of get you into jobs, and that was it,
• 2:01:05
  right? And so obviously, like over
• 2:01:06
  time, that adapted, but it was still principally the same
• 2:01:10
  system. And it's so heavily outdated and
• 2:01:13
  it's been criticized to death at this point, but they don't seem
• 2:01:16
  to ever change it. Like there's stuff on the
• 2:01:18
  curriculum now that was on there when I was there and was on
• 2:01:22
  there like 30 years before that. You know, that's crazy.
• 2:01:26
  Some things can stem the test of time, sure, but you need to
• 2:01:30
  update it with every generation and and live in the now.
• 2:01:33
  Right? But just the structure and the
• 2:01:36
  way it was designed was terrible.
• 2:01:37
  But the key thing I remember is that my school taught this that
• 2:01:41
  others and other schools didn't. But the teachers like it's like
• 2:01:46
  my English teacher was brilliant.
• 2:01:47
  My maths teacher was terrible. And I would have situations
• 2:01:50
  where like the maths teacher would be like, oh, Christian,
• 2:01:55
  Miss Woman tells me that you work hard in her class but you
• 2:01:57
  don't work hard in mine. And I'm like, but it's different
• 2:02:01
  though, because in her class she makes me feel intelligent and
• 2:02:04
  takes what I say seriously. When I ask you for help, you say
• 2:02:10
  no, you say detention, you say you're not trying hard enough.
• 2:02:15
  They would do mind, pardon my language, mind fuck stuff.
• 2:02:18
  Like if you have a problem, ask me and I'll come over and help
• 2:02:22
  you. I'd be like, Miss, I need help.
• 2:02:25
  And then she'd be like, why don't you understand this?
• 2:02:27
  Everyone else understands this. Why don't you understand this?
• 2:02:30
  I've been talking about this for and then I was like, well,
• 2:02:33
  everybody learns differently. Just because everyone learned
• 2:02:36
  that way doesn't mean I'm going to get it in the same way.
• 2:02:38
  I actually believe I had some chance with that.
• 2:02:41
  Sometimes I would actually get it, but because I question
• 2:02:43
  everything a bit too much, I would overthink it and I didn't
• 2:02:48
  have confidence in it. And, you know, in the end, I
• 2:02:51
  ended up like not doing well in that.
• 2:02:53
  But there was every chance that I could have at least got a
• 2:02:55
  better grade in that. The teachers failed me in that.
• 2:02:59
  Yeah, I, I don't like to blame things on other people, but at
• 2:03:02
  school I do because I looked at their attitudes as teachers and
• 2:03:06
  some of these teachers had no business being teachers.
• 2:03:08
  I remember in my German class, shout out to her, Robert Shaw.
• 2:03:12
  I knew what you were doing. I called you out on on the day
• 2:03:15
  he divided the class up physically into left hand side
• 2:03:21
  of the class was like a star students.
• 2:03:24
  Middle of the class was like BC tier right and then far right
• 2:03:28
  where we were was just kids that were going to fail.
• 2:03:32
  Because I remember we all looked at each other, took a quick
• 2:03:34
  look, looked around the class and we were like, oh, I see
• 2:03:36
  what's going on. Like, come on, we knew we were
• 2:03:39
  failing and I called him out on it.
• 2:03:41
  I said, why have you why? Oh, that this was the important
• 2:03:44
  thing. Why are you spending all your
• 2:03:46
  time on the A star students but no time on us?
• 2:03:49
  We have a chance to still get AC grade, which was like the
• 2:03:52
  standard level because we couldn't get higher than that.
• 2:03:54
  For some reason. We were capped at that.
• 2:03:57
  And he was like, oh, because you just not put the effort in.
• 2:04:00
  And I'm like, what? I want to and I want you to help
• 2:04:03
  me. Please help me.
• 2:04:04
  And they just, they would just refuse and just have a bad
• 2:04:07
  attitude, you know? That's awful.
• 2:04:10
  Yeah, it is, but the critical thinking 1 was the biggest one.
• 2:04:14
  There was two things that the teachers constantly told me to
• 2:04:17
  do. They said stop talking, stop
• 2:04:20
  asking so many questions. Those think about those two
• 2:04:22
  things. I've said this on the show
• 2:04:23
  before, but in the context of our conversation, it's very
• 2:04:25
  important. If you don't ask questions, you
• 2:04:28
  never learn. I literally everything I do
• 2:04:33
  involves asking questions and learning.
• 2:04:36
  I couldn't do a podcast without asking questions.
• 2:04:39
  It's literally what the show is. Sorry your critical thinking
• 2:04:42
  class told you to stop asking questions.
• 2:04:44
  There wasn't. I think there was later on, but
• 2:04:47
  no in different subjects. Like there was a critical
• 2:04:51
  thinking class. I remember learning it, but it's
• 2:04:55
  in maps. For example, they'd say stop
• 2:04:57
  asking questions or it just is, which is not true.
• 2:05:02
  There's a lot of different ways of doing things.
• 2:05:04
  Like sometimes I'd discover like a different way of doing
• 2:05:06
  something and they would be like, Oh no, no, no, you have to
• 2:05:08
  do it this way. And I'm like, why?
• 2:05:10
  And they're like, stop asking questions, Just accept it.
• 2:05:13
  And I'm like, but I need to understand what I don't
• 2:05:16
  understand. I need to understand why you're
• 2:05:20
  saying it has to be done this way.
• 2:05:21
  I'm saying I've found other ways to do it, so why do I have to do
• 2:05:25
  it your way? What makes your way superior?
• 2:05:27
  What makes my way wrong? If we get the same answer, Stop
• 2:05:31
  asking questions, Christian. Do you see what I mean?
• 2:05:34
  They just want you to follow orders and just OK, I will do
• 2:05:39
  what I'm told, OK? Yes, they just want yes men.
• 2:05:42
  They don't want thinkers. Thinkers cause problems.
• 2:05:45
  Yeah, I mean, that's one way of looking at it.
• 2:05:48
  But yeah, I I would argue that they it disrupts the
• 2:05:51
  equilibrium, it disrupts the status quo.
• 2:05:55
  You know, they don't want thinkers.
• 2:05:56
  They want, they want people that will shut up and do what they're
• 2:05:59
  told. That's what the workforce is.
• 2:06:01
  Going back to your thing about advice, if I had to say the
• 2:06:06
  worst piece of advice that if I had to say what would be the
• 2:06:09
  worst piece of advice is that heart is to work hard.
• 2:06:13
  And the reality is working hard in the wrong direction will it
• 2:06:16
  get you nowhere. So the the proper advice is work
• 2:06:21
  hard in the right direction, but you really got to figure out
• 2:06:23
  what the right direction is. All right, what's the best
• 2:06:25
  advice you've ever received? The best advice I've ever
• 2:06:28
  received. This is more so a memory of me
• 2:06:33
  reading something on a sheet of paper.
• 2:06:36
  It's back in first grade. There was something I was
• 2:06:41
  sitting at my desk and I forget exactly what it was, but the
• 2:06:46
  line was something along the lines of critical thinking is
• 2:06:49
  one of the most important skills to learn.
• 2:06:51
  I had no idea what that meant at that time, but that that line
• 2:06:56
  has influenced my life from that point onwards because I always
• 2:06:59
  tried to get better at critical thinking.
• 2:07:02
  So I I would attribute it to that, that that sheet of paper
• 2:07:06
  that gave me the advice to really focus on, on critical
• 2:07:08
  thinking was one of the things that set me on the trajectory of
• 2:07:12
  my life to bring me to where I am now.
• 2:07:14
  Honestly, I think it's the most important skill a human being
• 2:07:20
  can have is the ability to question things.
• 2:07:23
  Especially today with AI, right, and the modern age where
• 2:07:27
  everybody's trying to spread disinformation and
• 2:07:29
  misinformation. I just, I think people accept
• 2:07:32
  too much on face value without asking questions and then they
• 2:07:36
  wonder why they get screwed over or why they are misinformed as
• 2:07:40
  you said or or you know what I mean.
• 2:07:42
  Like I've questioned since since since day one, and not because
• 2:07:45
  I'm an outlier or because I'm just trying to cause trouble,
• 2:07:47
  but because I was always trying to understand and because I
• 2:07:50
  never accepted lol. Well this is the case because
• 2:07:54
  this person said so I could. But what are their credentials?
• 2:07:56
  Where, what where's their proof? Where's where's the source?
• 2:08:00
  What is the source? Who's backing the source?
• 2:08:03
  You know these things, A. Lot of the things that that we
• 2:08:07
  used to believe are true turned out to be false.
• 2:08:09
  No. Well, I remember, I remember
• 2:08:12
  hearing years ago someone said like, if you question someone
• 2:08:17
  enough and you expose a flaw in their belief system, they will
• 2:08:24
  defend that belief system even though they know it's wrong
• 2:08:29
  because it's their belief. It's it's who they are, it's
• 2:08:32
  intrinsic to their person, their character.
• 2:08:35
  It's very hard to accept something that goes against your
• 2:08:39
  beliefs even though it's fact. So it's very similar to the
• 2:08:44
  saying, which is that like you can't logic somebody out of an
• 2:08:47
  argument they didn't logic themselves into.
• 2:08:49
  I'm confusion. I get it, I get it, I get it, I
• 2:08:52
  get it right. What's the biggest life lesson
• 2:08:54
  you've learned so far? The biggest life lesson is, for
• 2:08:59
  me at least, is to do what makes you happy and not necessarily do
• 2:09:03
  what other people tell you will make you happy.
• 2:09:07
  Like for for me, other people told me that I need to make
• 2:09:12
  money and I needed a job, that I need to do all these things.
• 2:09:14
  And when I did them, it I didn't really feel anything like.
• 2:09:19
  And it that's part of what really started making me
• 2:09:22
  question of all these things about what it is that society
• 2:09:27
  pushes on people and and whether or not it's correct.
• 2:09:33
  Hopefully that answers your question.
• 2:09:35
  I kind of yeah. Like money is great.
• 2:09:38
  Don't get me wrong, everybody can use more, but that shouldn't
• 2:09:43
  be your objective, right? Your objective should be making
• 2:09:46
  the most out of your time on the planet.
• 2:09:48
  Because at the end of the day, what money does is it buys you
• 2:09:52
  the way to spend the time, the way to spend your time you want,
• 2:09:57
  but you just have to make sure that you're actually like about
• 2:10:02
  about your wants are actually yours and not what other people
• 2:10:06
  tell you they should be I. Think that we're very much like
• 2:10:08
  kindred spirits, Quang, because I believe a lot of what you say
• 2:10:12
  and I can relate to a lot of it. And coming full circle, you
• 2:10:15
  know, when you spoke about your reasonings behind why you chose
• 2:10:18
  to leave that remote job and and delve into this career, you said
• 2:10:21
  that you know, it's partly about regrets.
• 2:10:26
  You know, you don't want to get to the end of your days and be
• 2:10:28
  like, man, I just did like what everyone else expected of me and
• 2:10:32
  told me to do rather than what I wanted to do.
• 2:10:35
  And it's like when I look at my life, am I happy with where it
• 2:10:40
  is? No.
• 2:10:41
  Am I happy about what I've experienced and and what I've
• 2:10:45
  learned and what I've. You know, what I've done?
• 2:10:47
  Yeah. You know, it's made me who I am.
• 2:10:52
  I wouldn't be the man I am today were it not for the experiences
• 2:10:56
  I've had. And you know, I'm not rich, I'm
• 2:11:00
  not successful, I'm not any of these things.
• 2:11:02
  But I do feel rich and enlightened in life and I feel
• 2:11:08
  like I have a lot to give. Like, for instance, I'm getting
• 2:11:14
  to the age now, you know, I've met the right person and I'm
• 2:11:17
  going to have kids somewhere down the line in the sort of
• 2:11:20
  mid, mid tier future, right? And I do look at a lot, a lot
• 2:11:26
  about life and, and where I'm at now and what I've learned.
• 2:11:29
  And I'm like, would I make a good father?
• 2:11:31
  And I think I will, but only because of what I've learned in
• 2:11:37
  life so far. And I feel like, you know, that
• 2:11:40
  that would be a good reason to like something.
• 2:11:42
  What, what can I give? Or I, I can tell them a lot
• 2:11:45
  about what I've learned in life. You know, I might not have all
• 2:11:49
  the money in the world. I might not be, you know, able
• 2:11:52
  to set them up for life, but I'll be able to give them
• 2:11:55
  important life lessons and life advice that's invaluable, that
• 2:11:58
  might steer them in the right direction potentially, you know,
• 2:12:03
  and I, I don't understand. Where you're coming from?
• 2:12:05
  You know, I think it's these important things in life that
• 2:12:08
  really they are the driving or they should be the driving
• 2:12:12
  force, not money. Yeah.
• 2:12:14
  And for me, I really have to thank all of the people that
• 2:12:18
  came before me, right? All the people that spent 4050
• 2:12:22
  years of their life inside a job and then regretted it at the end
• 2:12:25
  of it. If I didn't hear their stories,
• 2:12:27
  then I might have done the same thing, right.
• 2:12:29
  So it's it's a weird thing to think about.
• 2:12:32
  The regrets of others have put me on a path of less regret, if
• 2:12:36
  you think about it that way. I get what you're saying.
• 2:12:38
  Yeah, whenever I hear this is this is the crazy thing though.
• 2:12:42
  Like I'll hear people complain and be better.
• 2:12:45
  I used to grow up with that. And then like they, they try to
• 2:12:51
  get you to do what they did rather than like, not what they
• 2:12:56
  did. It's like they want to bring you
• 2:12:57
  down with them, which I, I don't get that.
• 2:12:59
  Like if, if I, if I struggled and like everything was just a
• 2:13:03
  failure and then like I had a kid or something, I'd be like,
• 2:13:07
  listen, don't do what I did. Do the opposite and, and you'll
• 2:13:13
  succeed or whatever. You know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't
• 2:13:16
  want them to struggle the way that I struggled because I think
• 2:13:18
  like we should try and teach each other and educate each
• 2:13:21
  other and you should want the best for people.
• 2:13:23
  But unfortunately they're not all human beings are like that.
• 2:13:26
  A lot of human beings self-centered and they want
• 2:13:29
  others to suffer or they're bitter.
• 2:13:31
  And I never got that. You know when I see.
• 2:13:34
  Cars it's because when you can't get to the level of others, you
• 2:13:39
  want to drag others to your level.
• 2:13:41
  Oh, I, I don't agree with it, but that that's I I believe
• 2:13:45
  that's what they believe. Yeah, and it's awful.
• 2:13:48
  I mean, listen, I I envy a great many people, right?
• 2:13:52
  I wish I was as successful as them.
• 2:13:54
  I wish I had their opportunities, their chances.
• 2:13:57
  But I'm never jealous of them. I never hate them for it because
• 2:14:00
  it's so much of his luck at the draw and it's good to see people
• 2:14:05
  succeeding and it kind of gives you hope for yourself, you know?
• 2:14:08
  I mean, I whichever for every year that passes, I have less
• 2:14:12
  and less hope. I'm just being honest.
• 2:14:14
  But you know, at the same time, I look at it like, well, if
• 2:14:20
  you've got hope in life, you've got something to roll with.
• 2:14:23
  But if you're just bitter and sitting there and not doing
• 2:14:26
  anything about it, like that's the worst place to be because
• 2:14:30
  you only have yourself to blame, no one's going to feel sorry for
• 2:14:33
  you. I don't feel sorry for people
• 2:14:34
  that are bitter and feel sorry for themselves.
• 2:14:36
  I don't, I don't feel sorry for you at all.
• 2:14:38
  You've chosen that. I've had people attack me and be
• 2:14:41
  like, oh, when you're going to give it up, Christian, you know,
• 2:14:43
  like I, I gave it up. You should give it up.
• 2:14:45
  And I'm like, that was your decision.
• 2:14:48
  Don't project your negativity on me.
• 2:14:51
  You know, like I'm, I'm still chasing my dreams.
• 2:14:54
  You, you gave up. You chose that.
• 2:14:56
  You should live with it. You know, don't drag the rest of
• 2:14:59
  us down. There we go.
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  Yeah, no, it's unfortunate, but I think that's the way how I see
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  it and the way how many describe it is that life's a journey.
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  And the journey is probably the more important part because a
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  lot of people, they hit the destiny, they hit their
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  destination and they don't know what to do next.
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  As one thing I figured out quite early on is even if I do achieve
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  the success I want, I know that I'm going to have to quickly
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  figure out the next goal. That's good.
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  I just, you know, once you understand yourself, know
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  yourself, you understand how you work.
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  And I know for me it's always about creating and working on
• 2:15:41
  projects, working towards a goal.
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  There always has to be a goal. There always has to be a purpose
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  because that's the driving force.
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  Because, as you say, if you don't have a goal, if you don't
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  have a driving force, you become complacent, you become
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  irritable, you become miserable, you become directionless.
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  I'm actually of the opinion that depression is probably caused by
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  a lack of goals. I mean I'm sure there's more to
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  it than that, but most people that experience depression I
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  just truly do believe is because they don't have an objective in
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  life. I completely agree.
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  Or they didn't see the point anymore.
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  Like I really I really resonate with people that get depressed.
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  I've experienced it myself. You, you don't see the point and
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  it becomes numb when you have to really pull yourself out of
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  that, pull yourself out of the depths of despair and, and hell
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  to, to get through it. And I've always used working on
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  goals as a coping mechanism. You know, whenever I've had the
• 2:16:34
  darkest times in my life, I was like, right, build, grow, work
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  on something, you know, and it really, really helped me.
• 2:16:42
  It really did. I remember a couple of about 3
• 2:16:45
  years ago, I had a really bad experience and I threw myself
• 2:16:48
  back into work, creative stuff, and some people said I
• 2:16:50
  shouldn't. They said I should take a break.
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  And I was like, no, I'm going to throw myself in completely and
• 2:16:55
  make this my focus. And it helped and it got me out
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  of that pit that I was in and made me work towards something
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  positive. And here we are.
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  Yeah, I can. Definitely relate when when I
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  was deciding to leave my role I would say that I was probably in
• 2:17:13
  a state of depression where. Well.
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  OK, yeah, I remember, like walking down the stairs.
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  I mean, like, you know, what, if I just fell down the stairs and
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  broke my leg, broke myself, I'd probably feel better than going
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  to work and oh. Wow.
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  OK. So I definitely like resonate
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  with what you said there. So that's.
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  That's because you didn't mention that earlier when you're
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  talking about reasons why you left your job.
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  That's huge. Yeah, so, so it was probably the
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  second time I've had depression and it is huge.
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  It's just not something I think about anymore because I've, I, I
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  want to say recovered for it mostly.
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  I took about 3 months, but yeah, it was in that state that, that
• 2:17:55
  I really started questioning everything, right?
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  Like what am I doing all this for?
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  Like, why am I, why am I like hating this?
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  Why am I doing something I hate to make money when the money
• 2:18:03
  isn't like offsetting the the depression?
• 2:18:07
  It sounds like a point of disillusionment as well.
• 2:18:09
  Like I had a similar experience when I was at uni, Like I was
• 2:18:12
  studying a degree in marketing. And I remember in the second
• 2:18:15
  year I stopped and looked around the lecture hall at all these
• 2:18:20
  people. And I was like, I'm not like
• 2:18:22
  these people. I don't, I don't want to be
• 2:18:26
  captain of LinkedIn or, you know, whatever else they care
• 2:18:29
  about. Like they, they, they live in
• 2:18:31
  this fake world and they talk to each other in this like fake
• 2:18:35
  language and it's all just a lie.
• 2:18:39
  And I don't want any part of it. I want real conversations, I
• 2:18:42
  want authenticity, I want love, I want the arts.
• 2:18:46
  I, I get what you mean. Because it's like you, you, you
• 2:18:50
  do things up to a point and then you just kind of stop and look
• 2:18:53
  and go, this is all bullshit, all of that.
• 2:18:56
  And people will try and convince you that, oh, just hang with it,
• 2:18:58
  stick with it. And it's like the once you've
• 2:19:01
  made your mind up, it's like, no, this is, this is, this is.
• 2:19:05
  It's time to leave. It's strange, right?
• 2:19:07
  Because they say that this is how it should be.
• 2:19:12
  But why is that the case? It's it's only the case because
• 2:19:15
  it's it's what we fabricated to keep the peace.
• 2:19:18
  I mean, if, if chasing work has taught me anything, it's that
• 2:19:21
  there's more than one way to do things.
• 2:19:24
  It doesn't just have to be option A, there's option B,
• 2:19:26
  there's option C, there's option D, etcetera.
• 2:19:29
  But people don't want to take the risk.
• 2:19:31
  They want to play it safe. Let me tell you this, there is
• 2:19:34
  no such thing as playing it safe.
• 2:19:36
  It doesn't exist. Well, just.
• 2:19:38
  Does you need to understand that every action is a gamble and you
• 2:19:43
  don't, if you don't understand that, it means that you don't
• 2:19:45
  understand the odds. So for example, a buddy of mine
• 2:19:51
  doesn't want to quit his job. He's like, no, I like my job.
• 2:19:54
  And I think it's going to be more stable because I, I think
• 2:19:56
  that there's going to be need for this in the future.
• 2:20:01
  I don't want to gamble away my future on like a business, But I
• 2:20:04
  told them you're gambling your future believing that you're
• 2:20:06
  God, that your job is going to be there in seven years time.
• 2:20:09
  You just don't understand that. Does he have money to invest?
• 2:20:13
  Yeah, he, he's in. He's in the position where he
• 2:20:16
  definitely can start his own business or whatever it is.
• 2:20:19
  As sooner or later he's going to have to because you do see the
• 2:20:22
  writing on the wall. I had, I had it with a marketed
• 2:20:24
  job years ago. This was before AI, but I could
• 2:20:27
  already see like I was doing manual analytics and things like
• 2:20:30
  Power BI would come into fruition and I was like, I'm not
• 2:20:33
  going to have a job in six months.
• 2:20:35
  I was like, I need to quit now. I did.
• 2:20:38
  I moved on and I was right. You know, now, and especially
• 2:20:42
  now, now it's all just purely computers.
• 2:20:44
  You don't need anyone to do it, you know?
• 2:20:46
  We'll move. A final question for you to
• 2:20:48
  round things up for today. Do you have any final or
• 2:20:53
  upcoming projects that you'd like to promote to talk about or
• 2:20:57
  final thoughts that you'd like to share with our listeners?
• 2:21:00
  You know, I'd just like to say if you like the way I think
• 2:21:03
  about the world, then really check out my YouTube channel
• 2:21:05
  because I'm really, it's really an Ave. for me to express the,
• 2:21:11
  the mechanisms of what I believe the world to be, especially
• 2:21:14
  since, like I do believe that the world seems to be
• 2:21:16
  deterministic and seems to be just math.
• 2:21:19
  And if that's the case, you should be able to make models
• 2:21:22
  for everything. So that's, that's what I'm doing
• 2:21:24
  in my, in my videos. I, it really actually, I'll go
• 2:21:28
  back to one of the other reasons why I started entrepreneurship
• 2:21:32
  with philosophy, which is that a lot of the entrepreneurs that I
• 2:21:36
  look up to, they often say that life is like a game and to play
• 2:21:40
  the game. And I didn't know what that
• 2:21:42
  meant. I, it's something that I thought
• 2:21:45
  I was playing the game of life and I was kind of like, why am
• 2:21:47
  I, why do I feel like I'm losing when according to other people's
• 2:21:51
  measures, I should be winning? So I really thought a lot about
• 2:21:56
  what it meant for life to be a game.
• 2:21:58
  And that's a lot of that will be reflected in my videos.
• 2:22:02
  Like for example, in my most recent video, I talk about how
• 2:22:05
  in life you're mainly playing three different games, which is
• 2:22:08
  PvP player versus player, PV E players environment.
• 2:22:11
  And the last one is PV me, because a big part of a big
• 2:22:15
  obstacle in the way of you getting your own, getting your
• 2:22:18
  goals is yourself. And The thing is, there are
• 2:22:21
  actual mechanisms here, right? So for example, one of the
• 2:22:25
  reasons why people like security and one of the reasons why
• 2:22:28
  people don't like taking risk is because in the past, taking
• 2:22:31
  risks often meant dying. So it's like hard wired into us
• 2:22:34
  to not take risks. But if you understand the
• 2:22:36
  mechanisms behind that, and you start understanding that the
• 2:22:41
  risks don't end in catastrophic failure, it becomes easier to
• 2:22:44
  take risk. Like I said, if you do, if you
• 2:22:48
  are like me and you believe that the world can be broken down
• 2:22:50
  into math, then you can understand the probability
• 2:22:53
  behind everything. Absolutely, completely agree.
• 2:22:56
  It's been an absolute pleasure having you on the podcast.
• 2:22:59
  I could talk to you forever. I barely asked you any of my
• 2:23:03
  questions because it was just one of those beautiful shows you
• 2:23:06
  get sometimes where you just click with someone and it's
• 2:23:09
  just, it's just like, it's like, it's like when the butter is
• 2:23:14
  melted properly and it's not hard and it just goes on the
• 2:23:17
  toast perfectly. And you're like so many feet.
• 2:23:21
  Absolutely pleasure. So much.
• 2:23:23
  No, no, thank you. I wish you the very best with
• 2:23:25
  your YouTube channel. I'd love to have you on the show
• 2:23:27
  again. And yeah, just all the best, man
• 2:23:31
  Thank you. Thank.
• 2:23:33
  You very much thanks for having me.
• 2:23:35
  Pleasure. And to all the listeners of the
• 2:23:36
  Christian Reef Podcast, make sure you go and subscribe to
• 2:23:39
  Quang on YouTube. I'll make sure there's a link in
• 2:23:42
  the bio for all our listeners and viewers of the show.
• 2:23:47
  I hope that you enjoyed this show as much as I did.
• 2:23:50
  As always, be safe, be well, and I'll see you in the next