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Happy Hour #226: Obsession · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Ann and Smantha.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So for these happy hours, the topics can go
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  Speaker 2: all over the place. This one is one I'm dying
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  Speaker 2: to talk about, but also.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to.
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  Speaker 2: Stay contained because if you if you're a listener of
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  Speaker 2: this show, you know when I get all fired up
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  Speaker 2: about something that's its being written for presentations being had.
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  Speaker 2: So what I want to say about this one before
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  Speaker 2: we get into it is number one spoilers for the
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  Speaker 2: recent movie Obsession. But I am going to do my
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  Speaker 2: very very best to.
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  Speaker 1: Only spoil.
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  Speaker 2: The main plot, like the through line of the plot,
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  Speaker 2: Like there's a lot more that happens that I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to try not to spoil, but the kind of the
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  Speaker 2: essential thing that it's hinging on, I am going to
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  Speaker 2: have to spoil for this. So if you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to be spoiled. Just the movie's still really popular, it's
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  Speaker 2: still in theaters.
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  Speaker 1: Go see it.
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  Speaker 2: But also content warning because we are going to be
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  Speaker 2: touching on topics of sexual assaults.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the reason I really wanted to talk about
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  Speaker 2: this is because Samantha knows this. People don't believe me,
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  Speaker 2: but I swear I either saw a low rent version
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  Speaker 2: of this a year ago, or like maybe they had been.
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  Speaker 2: The creators had been talking about it, so I sort
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  Speaker 2: of knew what the plot was, and I was from
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  Speaker 2: the moment I heard the plot, I was very interested
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  Speaker 2: in how audiences would react, and so that's mainly what
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about today, just because I think
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  Speaker 2: that the reaction I experienced when I saw it in
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  Speaker 2: theaters would have been very different a couple decades ago.
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  Speaker 2: That's mostly what I want to talk about. But it
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  Speaker 2: is hard to discuss about the spoiling the whole movie,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm going to do I'm gonna do my best.
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  Speaker 2: But I was aware of the general plot in some
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  Speaker 2: way or other. I don't know what happened, but I
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  Speaker 2: did know, so I went in pretty aware of what
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  Speaker 2: was gonna go down. And I have to say watching
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  Speaker 2: it in theaters, I was seated next to a very
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  Speaker 2: young couple on a date. First of all, awkward, It
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  Speaker 2: was kind of awkward, and they were doing that thing
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  Speaker 2: where they're like making jokes and like during the whole thing,
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  Speaker 2: trying to be flirty. But over hearing their conversation, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, at least they're on board with what I
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  Speaker 2: think you should take away from this film.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: They also said something really funny at the beginning, where
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  Speaker 2: one of them said, I never listened to anything that
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  Speaker 2: isn't on one point five speed. So this sounds like
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  Speaker 2: not talking normally to me any.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, I have hard time now too.
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  Speaker 1: That cracked me up. I thought that was funny.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, as people who make content that we are very
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  Speaker 2: aware people speed up.
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  Speaker 3: Please do I sound better at one point seven?
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  Speaker 1: Specifically?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes when I listen back, I'm like, you sound
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  Speaker 2: like you're drunk or I don't know what's wrong with you.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, anyway, So this movie is a horror movie
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  Speaker 2: and it does something interesting because the protagonist nobody wants
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  Speaker 2: him to succeed, so I feel like he's a very
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  Speaker 2: nice guy trope that actually gets treated realistically.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what I was intrigued.
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  Speaker 2: I really wanted to know how people would react to
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  Speaker 2: a main male character.
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  Speaker 1: Who is.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to get romantically with a female best friend and doesn't,
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  Speaker 2: but then uses other methods to do it that are
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  Speaker 2: very nefarious. It's basically a wish gone wrong type of story,
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  Speaker 2: like you wish for this world piece and then the
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  Speaker 2: world blows up or something. That's essentially what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: But he does it.
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  Speaker 2: He makes a wish that she'll love him forever and
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  Speaker 2: like more than anything else, and then you can imagine
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  Speaker 2: how it goes wrong from there. That's my basic plot
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  Speaker 2: of what happens. But I was curious how people would
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  Speaker 2: react to a story where, you know, usually we would
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  Speaker 2: be told you want them to get together Dave childhood friends,
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  Speaker 2: and here's the main character, and he's like a nerdy,
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  Speaker 2: shy guy, so that's what we should be wanting. But
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  Speaker 2: then he does this thing and doesn't correct it when
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  Speaker 2: he realizes he does not correct it, and the audience
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  Speaker 2: was horrified at him, like they were genuinely like rooting
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  Speaker 2: for his death. I was so it sounds horrible. I
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  Speaker 2: was so happy. I was just like validated, because this
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  Speaker 2: is how you should react to a situation like this
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  Speaker 2: because it in the movie, it's made clear she's aware
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  Speaker 2: she just can't control her body, Like her body autonomy
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  Speaker 2: is taken away, her personality is taken away. So all
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  Speaker 2: he really cared about was like objectifying her and this
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  Speaker 2: idealized version of.
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  Speaker 1: Her and owning her.
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  Speaker 2: And he knows like she keeps trying to like break
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  Speaker 2: out of it, and he just.
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  Speaker 1: Ignores it.
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  Speaker 2: His friends, her friends confront him about it or like
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  Speaker 2: something's wrong with her, she's not acting like herself, and
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  Speaker 2: he's just like, oh, no, she's fine, even though it's
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  Speaker 2: increasingly clear as she is not fine. But I did
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  Speaker 2: it was a very upsetting film, which I thought I
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  Speaker 2: knew it was going to be.
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  Speaker 1: But I did like that it was portrayed he.
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  Speaker 2: This is not a good This is a good guys, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because I feel like in the eighties there are a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of movies like this, right, but instead of it
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  Speaker 2: being oh, he's the villain, and it was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: he he got one over this girl, or he's able
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  Speaker 2: to control this girl or all of this stuff, like
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  Speaker 2: the nerds control of the world and she's just a
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  Speaker 2: stupid object that I that I get to control.
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  Speaker 1: But This was very much like.
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  Speaker 2: You are the bad guy and you think you are
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  Speaker 2: the good guy.
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  Speaker 1: If I, oh, if I could, I would do a
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  Speaker 1: whole episode on it.
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  Speaker 2: But like I watching it, the how angry people were
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  Speaker 2: at him in the theater and how like.
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  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 2: You could probably feel it like people were mad. And
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  Speaker 2: that's what comforted me, because I was worried I was
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  Speaker 2: going to go in and see a different reaction that
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, well he got the girl, or like
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  Speaker 2: that's what he deserves, or because he he seems nice
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  Speaker 2: in the beginning, this is what he's entitled to. So
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  Speaker 2: that's I was very relieved. You know, that was not
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  Speaker 2: the reaction at all, And I think it's been a
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  Speaker 2: big change. I really do think a couple like a
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  Speaker 2: decade or so ago, that would not have been the case.
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  Speaker 1: I did read it.
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  Speaker 3: I know nothing about this film. All I know is
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  Speaker 3: that they decided to extend it in the theaters because
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  Speaker 3: they was doing so well, which was unheard of. That
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  Speaker 3: actually pulled back from streaming, which is again all heard of.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently that caused some like controversy right there because the
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  Speaker 3: streaming platforms weren't happy that they were losing money. Whatever whatnot.
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  Speaker 3: That's but I did read that before it was approved,
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  Speaker 3: executives were trying to talk the director and writer into
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  Speaker 3: changing it to make him more likable, yeah, to make
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  Speaker 3: him more of a hero, and they refused, Like they
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  Speaker 3: went through, of course, it's gonna be a publicity stunt
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  Speaker 3: because it is being received so well, to give them
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  Speaker 3: more credit. But it seemed also plausible. But they're like, no,
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  Speaker 3: but it's a white, handsome main character. We don't want
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  Speaker 3: to villainize him so much. This much type of thing.
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  Speaker 3: I don't nothing about that, but I did see a
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  Speaker 3: headline about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would believe it because it felt very different.
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  Speaker 1: It's an interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Premise to have your protagonist be somebody so unlikable, and
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  Speaker 2: that's I read.
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  Speaker 1: I read an article about that.
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  Speaker 2: Of like, that's one of the reasons this movie stands
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  Speaker 2: out is that there is a part of you is
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  Speaker 2: protagonist and you're you know, at first, at least you're hoping, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they get together, but then it just becomes so clear
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  Speaker 2: and so horrifying his actions and how he does not
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  Speaker 2: care about her at all, And there are scenes people
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  Speaker 2: were like gasping in horror, and I just think that
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  Speaker 2: would have played differently a while ago, but I was
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  Speaker 2: very happy that everybody was horrified.
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  Speaker 1: By it in the right like that reaction.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like a very that can be such a It
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  Speaker 2: matters how you frame things, and it matters that they
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  Speaker 2: didn't make that sexy at all.
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  Speaker 1: It was horrifying, like.
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  Speaker 2: People were upset, And so that is mostly what I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to talk about today, because I knowing what the
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  Speaker 2: plot was, I went in very concerned how people would react.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I have to say, all right.
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  Speaker 3: So they passed that. The audience with you who passed
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  Speaker 3: the vibe check.
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  Speaker 2: The audience with me passed the vibe check. I think
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  Speaker 2: generally though, uh, that has been the takeaway. I think
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  Speaker 2: they were clear enough, like this this guy's no good.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, just the way it like unfolds and everything.
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  Speaker 3: If it was his best friend, her best friend, his
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  Speaker 3: best friend, to do that to your best friend, like
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  Speaker 3: you built that and you still objectify someone that to
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  Speaker 3: that point, but they weren't human enough for you, yeah
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  Speaker 3: to think this is wrong?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and he there's a scene in the beginning
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  Speaker 2: he's like rehearsing to ask her out, and he panics
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  Speaker 2: when the moment comes and he doesn't and he had
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  Speaker 2: that chance, and he didn't do it, and then he
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  Speaker 2: did the wish thing and then just went, oh, so.
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  Speaker 3: We don't even know if she would She might have
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  Speaker 3: said yes.
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  Speaker 1: She might have, but I think it's heavily implied she
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have.
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  Speaker 2: But because she was, she kind of asked him out
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  Speaker 2: like outright, like do you like me?
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  Speaker 1: What is this?
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  Speaker 2: And he was like, oh no, and then he called
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  Speaker 2: her a name that she really hates and she knew
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  Speaker 2: he and so she left and he panicked and tried
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  Speaker 2: this wish thing, but he never It makes that point
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  Speaker 2: clear that he never even really had the courage to
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  Speaker 2: be upfront honest about his emotions and feelings about her,
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  Speaker 2: which I do think is another part of the whole
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  Speaker 2: nice guy yeah kind of persona. But yeah, I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to go see it again with some other friends because
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  Speaker 2: I don't I haven't had a chance to just talk.
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  Speaker 1: About it, digest it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I saw it with a mutual friend of
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  Speaker 2: ours a couple of weeks ago, but we had to
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  Speaker 2: leave right after, so.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't had the I need to know, I need
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll see if I have any other any other takeaways,
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  Speaker 2: maybe when it comes on to streaming, we'll do a
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  Speaker 2: spoiled Saturday. But yeah, yeah, no animal dies in it, right, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: an animal definitely dies, but it dies.
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  Speaker 1: I can't scream, but something else halfs you might be
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  Speaker 1: on your own, doesn't one. I'm just gonna watch you
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  Speaker 1: have an episode where I'm not here. I'll just I'll
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  Speaker 1: give you the timestamped. Just okay, avoid all this part.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, but uh it was it was
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  Speaker 2: a movie people were watching and not knowing like should
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  Speaker 2: I laugh at this or not because it's so weird,
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  Speaker 2: but they did react and what I think is the
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  Speaker 2: appropriate way, the appropriate manner. Okay, when it came to this, really,
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  Speaker 2: in my opinion, horrendous.
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  Speaker 3: Way.
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  Speaker 2: This guy was acting who normally, I think in the
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  Speaker 2: past would have been sympathized, like a lot of sympathy,
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  Speaker 2: but now they're no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: This is not right. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So those are my abbreviated thoughts on obsession.
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  Speaker 1: We'll come back to it.
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