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False flag: Why queer politics mean the end of America · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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June is Pride Month in America.
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Do you know what that really represents?
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Do you know the history of the rainbow
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flag and the politics that it surrounds it?
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We think this is a happy statement celebrating
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the LGBTQ lifestyle and acceptance, but it is
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so much more than that.
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Did you know that according to the philosophers,
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pride is a call to a permanent revolution
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against human norms?
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Today's conversation is with Joy Pullman.
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And we will uncover these details when we
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discuss her book, False Flag, Why Queer Politics
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Mean the End of America, which details how
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radical ideologues and sexual revolutionaries have captured all
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Today's conversation is with Joy Pullman, the executive
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editor of the Federalist News site to talk
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about her important and timely book, False Flag,
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why queer politics means the end of America.
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Joy, welcome to the 10 Penny Files.
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I'm so glad to have you here with
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me today.
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Thank you for having me.
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You know, your book, False Flag, Why Queer
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Politics Means the End of America is so
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well written and absorbing.
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I could do a two-hour interview just on
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the introduction.
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It was so good.
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It was just really because you pull no
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punches in your book, and you start out
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by saying in the introduction, the pride flag
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stands for the cultural Marxism seeking to destroy
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America.
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It's about regime regime change.
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This is a call to permanent revolution against
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human norms.
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I mean, you couldn't start any stronger than
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that, I don't think.
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So why did you choose to like you
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really come right out of the gate and
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punch it so hard?
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Well, that is part of my style.
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Uh it's not so much when I pre-write
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my speeches, it's part of my speaking style,
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but it's especially part of my writing style.
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Um, but I also I I am privileged
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to have a position, you know, writing at
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the Federalists.
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So I don't have to closet my views,
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or I don't have to um, you know,
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uh kind of say them in ways that
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are uh kind of designed to offend people
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less, you know, because I'm not working at
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a financial services firm.
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I'm not working, you know, um, for a
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uh God forbid, you know, for a corporate
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media outlet, you know, I'm not working for
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corporate media at all, you know.
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So the kind of self-censorship that pretty much
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everybody on the right is used to doing
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in their everyday lives, school work, friendships.
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You know, I just haven't had to cultivate
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that as much as other people thanks to
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the unusual, you know, position that I'm in.
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And so I do try to use that
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platform and that freedom to kind of speak
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on their behalf in very direct ways, um,
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because I do think um that directness is
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required about where we are, because you know,
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while persuading, you know, people who may be
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on the fence or really haven't thought things
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through clearly, that's absolutely a legitimate, you know,
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um, kind of persuasion and communication tactic.
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I also think we need to be very
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clear about what is true and what is
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false to really help people understand the depth
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and importance of our views that this kind
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of queer, the sexual politics issue is not
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a side issue.
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Um, the culture wars are not, you know,
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some, I mean, the Republican Party always kind
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of wants to, you know, hide those under
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the bushes, you know, really kind of ashamed
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of them, but I view them as absolutely
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central to what is wrong with our culture,
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and we will never get any further without
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really addressing that.
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Yeah, for sure.
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You know, your book was actually published in
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2024.
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Are they moving closer to their stated goals?
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Well, I actually think so.
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You know, he uh people really had been
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living under, I mean, the Biden regime, if
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uh folks remember just a couple of years
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ago was a very dark time for people
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who were on the right.
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I mean, we're you know, the COVID, remember,
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you know, um, the kind of COVID censorship
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behaviors, not just the COVID censorship online of
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what we think and say.
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And it wasn't just about COVID either.
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When kind of the censorship apparatus moved in,
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the top, you know, some of the early
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issues that we saw it on was things
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related to that topic.
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But at the very same time, you know,
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it was there was it was almost like
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it was pre-planned.
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All of uh the, you know, the transgender
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topics, the you know, feminist topics, abortion, those
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were all moved and locked and loaded into
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the internet censor censorship apparatus at the exact
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same time as the focus was really being
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put on to, you know, things like the
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vaccines, you know, the virus, et cetera, et
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cetera.
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So it um so I see those like
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the entire censorship kind of thing as one
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piece.
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And it wasn't just about, you know, COVID
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was the pretext for implementing a lot of
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things that wanted to happen.
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So in those dark days, you know, of
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the Biden era, we also saw, right?
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I mean, I I broke a really huge
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story about how the Biden administration was using
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school lunch money to force every single public
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school in America to put boys in girls'
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bathrooms, right?
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You know, and normie Americans do not like
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that sort of thing.
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And so they really got a taste of
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what life going forward is going to look
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like under a Democrat governor, under a Democrat
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legislature, under a Democrat president, under a Democrat
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Congress.
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And Americans said, Whoa, this is way too
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dark, way too fast.
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And so in 2024, you know, that was
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one of the reasons so many people, you
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know, really uh, you know, rose up and
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pulled the lever for Trump in that election.
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And so, unlike other presidents, and as I'm
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sure your listeners know, President Trump really moved
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swiftly on delivering for his voters the things
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that he had promised to do, and chief
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His voters, the things that he had promised
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among them were reversing a lot of the
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to do, and chief among them were reversing
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insane sexual Marxism.
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a lot of the insane sexual Marxism.
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So we see huge amounts of um progress
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So we see huge amounts of um progress
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and and victories by the Trump administration from
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and victories by the Trump administration from day
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day one, from those glorious first 100 days.
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one, from those glorious first 100 days.
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Um, even to today, the Trump administration continues
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Even to today, the Trump administration continues to
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to announce, you know, lawsuits against, for example,
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announce, you know, lawsuits against, for example, higher
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higher education entities, local public schools.
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education entities, local public schools.
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If they are jamming, you know, if they
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If they are jamming, you know, if they
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are requiring uh little girls to show their
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are requiring uh little girls to show their
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naked bodies to boys, the Trump administration.
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naked bodies to boys, the Trump administration is
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on the case and they are using the
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might of the federal government to protect um,
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you know, little girls from that situation.
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And I mean, I just use, you know,
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the the the kids in bathrooms thing as
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kind of um, you know, a very representative
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example.
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But that Biden, and as I go through
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in the book, you know, which you must
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know if you've read it, you know, I
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the Biden administration looked for every single access
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point that they could put nasty, creepy naked
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men, you know, in, you know, naked people
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and you know, all kinds of just perversions
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into the eyeballs of little children.
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And so the Trump administration has been working
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not just on the bathrooms issue, but all,
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you know, many, many other things, all the
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way back to the interpretations of all of
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these civil rights laws to include gendered identity.
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Um, and so really kind of restoring the
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idea of equality under the law and and
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bolstered in many cases, not always, um, by
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a more conservative Supreme Court that of course
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is thanks to uh the first Trump administration
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that we really have the most original Supreme
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Court ever since in a hundred years.
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Um, you know, so a lot of really
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positive things are happening.
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I mean, the battle is not one, but
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it is absolutely engaged at this point.
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And so that's a really uh really exciting
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to see the possibilities, you know, for really
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taking ground and not just sitting there laying
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down, having to take, you know, all the
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beatings from the left that really challenge our
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sanity as well as our morality.
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No kidding.
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Well, let's start with the title of your
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book.
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Uh queer why queer politics means the end
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of America.
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What is the definition of queer politics?
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Well, I define queer politics really as for
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me, and I and I trace this in
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the book, um, uh goes all the way
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back to feminism.
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But the idea of it is that um
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men and women are exactly the same in
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every possible way, and we should always treat
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them as exactly the same.
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That's not only the basis of feminism, it
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is also the basis of Marxism.
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And that is why this the sexual politics
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is deeply tied into Marxism.
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It's because Marxism wants to basically erase the
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distinctions between people.
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Now, there's two ways that you can make
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a distinction, right?
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Our American founders absolutely believed in equality under
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the law.
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The same law should be applied in the
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same way to all people, you know, regardless
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of, you know, what you look like, where
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you came from, et cetera, et cetera.
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They took absolutely that's one way of looking
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at equality, and I absolutely uphold that as
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do pretty much everybody else on the right,
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you know, today.
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And so we're not, we're talking about kind
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of a fake equality.
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That means sameness, right?
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There's a difference between equality under the law,
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because the law should not touch everything that
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we do in our lives, right?
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We should have freedom in our private sphere
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of action to say, look, men and women
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happen to be different.
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Uh it there is logical reason that women
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wouldn't be in the workforce as early and
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as often as men.
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We grow the babies in our bellies, we're
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nurse the babies, the babies want to be
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with us, you know.
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And so if women are less attached to
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the workforce than men, there's absolutely healthy reasons
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that that might be the case.
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Um, you know, so in our private sphere
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of life, we should be allowed to make
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those distinctions that rest upon natural differences between
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people.
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But so that's and so the founders didn't
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believe in a totalitarian system of law that
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reaches into every aspect of life.
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But the different, you know, kind of way
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of thinking about equality, I think it's really
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used as one of those weasel words that
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the left likes to use, right?
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They will take a popular word like equality,
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but then apply it in a gruesome way,
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right?
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So, in terms of sexual politics, what they
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want to do is, you know, uh make
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everyone behave the same in every single way
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possible, with or without the application of the
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law.
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So they, you know, so it is a
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Marxist idea to say, oh, well, we have
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uh, you know, men are in the works
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force at 80%, you know, at this age.
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So therefore the women should be in the
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workforce at the exact same percentage.
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So, you know, or uh, and I'm of
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course adopting like a German, you know, you
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know, communist accent to kind of emphasize right
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how um, you know, really kind of autistic
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and communist um this idea is, right?
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Or um, you know, you know, uh, well,
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the, you know, not enough men, you know,
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choose healthcare as a profession, and not enough
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women are choosing to go into, you know,
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uh oil rigging and mechanical engineering.
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So we must, you know, artificially boost that
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to make sure the exact same number, you
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know, just and and so all the things
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that you have to basically to enforce that
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kind of equality, you have to have totalitarianism
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because of all the things that it requires
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you to be able to control.
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You have to literally control people's desires, right?
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Women do not want to go into mechanical
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engineering at the same rate as men do,
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right?
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So, in order to have 50% women in
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a mechanical engineering program, you have to, you
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know, just basically coerce the women um and
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and pressure the men and create all of
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these systems that are totalitarian in nature and
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infringe on the natural freedoms that people should
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have in their private lives.
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And so that's why, you know, I that's
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what queer politics means.
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It is really the application of the communist
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impulse to this differences between the sexes.
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Yeah, the the whole way that you put
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together the that the the um that the
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pride movement and what it really represents is
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really about um it's a it's everything against
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what's normal and normally accepted in our society
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as a as a Protestant Christian society, you
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know.
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And it's uh it's a way to kind
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of, you know, you talk a lot about
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the transgender movement and being involved with that
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because of equal making everybody equal and everybody
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normalized.
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You have a lot of sections on that.
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And your descriptions of the transgender surgeries that
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happen are just surreal.
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Um, you know, I've I've talked to you
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before we went live on this.
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Um, you know, I talked to several of
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my friends who live in big cities.
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I live in Cleveland, but I live outside
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of Cleveland in the suburbs.
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So it's pretty calm out here, right?
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And I talked to a friend of mine
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who lives in Toronto who is, you know,
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and sees all of these things where they,
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you know, they tattoo your their eyeballs and
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making the whites of their eyes black, and
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that you describe how that some women want
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to keep their vagina bits add on a
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penis, and some men want to keep their
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penis and create a vagina and you know,
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create scales underneath their skin and then the
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furries and the um uh inner species blurrings
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of things that they're doing.
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I just found that as a first-time exposure
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to that.
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Now, many people that may read your book
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might kind of go, yeah, well, or wherever
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it's been going on for a while.
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But to the but the these eyeballs in
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this brain, it was very eye-opening.
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And I think it would be to a
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lot of people in my audience too, of
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Of knowing that this whole transgender surgery stuff
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knowing that this whole transgender surgery stuff that
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that we hear about in the news, it's
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we hear about in the news, it's much,
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much, much worse and much more extensive than
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much worse and much more extensive than what
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what people than what people recognize.
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people than what people recognize.
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And I did that on purpose.
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And I did that on purpose.
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And I look, I realize that all of
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And I look, I realize that all of
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that sort of thing is disgusting, right?
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that sort of thing is disgusting, right?
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It was disgusting to me researching it, right?
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It was disgusting to me researching it, right?
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Like I am a mother of children.
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Like I am a mother of children.
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I don't really like to spend in my
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I don't really like to spend in my
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free time looking at, you know, details about
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free time looking at, you know, details about
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people making themselves look like dragons, you know,
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people making themselves look like dragons, you know,
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or again, genitals splitting their tongue and pretty
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or again, genitals and pretty much never come
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much.
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up in my house unless there's kind of
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like a medical, you know, ish situation with
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a kid, and that's very rare, you know,
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or we're working on pottying.
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Like other than that, we don't we don't
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deal with that, right?
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Thank the Lord.
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Um, but I mean, so, but I think
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that people need, because our culture is so
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hardened and calloused at this point.
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I think it is absolutely necessary to show
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them the logical outcome of what they think
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are nice, kind, compassionate behaviors.
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No, these are insane behaviors, and they are
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going to destroy our society.
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And we have to, for our own self-preservation,
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we have to stop them.
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Um, you know, it is re I mean,
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people uh, you know, just want to be
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nice and soft and gentle all the time.
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But if I mean, that sort of behavior
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really um encourages evil.
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And so we are at the situation, you
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know, where evil has been emboldened.
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Um and you, I mean, and take it
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requires some serious measures to combat evil and
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say no, and you know, and and to
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reject it and to expel it from your
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society.
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And again, there's there is a lot happening
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on that front.
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You know, I mean, the Trump administration, there's
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uh, for example, a number of successful lawsuits
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have, you know, uh been prosecuted since, you
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know, my book came out.
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So that is uh a financial uh, you
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know, uh thing that is helping hospitals rethink
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whether they should be, you know, uh mixing
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and matching people's genitals.
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Um and the Trump administration is also pursuing
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charges, you know, looking, denying funds, you know,
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to um hospitals and other, you know, so-called
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health organizations that engage in these kind of
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atrocities, you know.
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So there are some good things be um
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they're happening on that front.
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But I mean, I think mark them on
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my words.
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The left today has not taken the elections
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of Trump and the request of the American
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people for normalcy, they are not heeding that.
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They are not moderating, they are not reforming.
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And so we lose the government, we lose
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the power, and all of these things are
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coming right back with a flood and with
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a vengeance.
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And so um, I think it's very important
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for people to almost, you know, look into
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that abyss, hopefully as a curb and deterrent
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to where things are going.
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Um, because I mean, it already has gone
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too far.
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It is too horrible, and we do not
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want any more of this.
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We need to stop it by all legitimate
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just uses of power possible.
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Um, a friend of mine was saying that
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she's seeing somebody that they, you know, they
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they want to look like lizards and so
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they've or like like dragons or like Satan
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or somebody and they split their tongue and
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each side can move independently as the muscle.
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And it's like really like it's like almost
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too much to take into your brain.
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And then imagine living in society with that.
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Like, can your children go outside if they
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might meet like some creepy, you know, man?
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I mean, I don't think I was about
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to say man-animal thing, right?
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I don't think he's actually part animal.
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But do you think how how do you
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think spiritually safe that person is on the
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streets of your community, right?
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Would you let your children go to a
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park by themselves, even if they're old enough
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to do that, you know, knowing that so
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those sorts of people might be roaming free?
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Would you let them go to the library?
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Right.
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So the the inability, I mean, the just
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the degradation of our public spaces, turning them
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into roaming, you know, areas for literally, you
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know, demonic infested people, that should be a
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serious concern for all people who do not
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want to live in a demonic infested society,
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right?
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Where you have, you know, people who are
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trying to look like Satan, um, you know,
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and and who are behaving satanically, you know,
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that shouldn't be able to be in a
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public place next to your children.
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And so, I mean, it shouldn't be next
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to me, right?
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Like, I don't want to be next to
17:56
that.
17:56
I'm, you know, I'm a little lady, I
17:58
don't punch people, right?
18:00
You know, you know, so for the women
18:02
and children's sake, for us to have a
18:04
decent society that all Americans as belongs to
18:06
us by our birthright, these sorts of things
18:08
have to end, you know, yesterday.
18:10
They should never have started in the first
18:11
place.
18:12
You know, I'm old enough to remember that
18:14
back in the day when people would do
18:16
things like this, it would, they would be
18:18
declared mentally ill.
18:20
Right.
18:20
And this whole movement has moved this into
18:23
inclusiveness and diversity and and and declaring what
18:25
you need to be in your body is
18:27
okay.
18:30
Everything is normalized.
18:32
How did this sinful movement get such a
18:34
solid root in America?
18:37
Well, I really think that the acceptance of
18:39
feminism, which, you know, again, this is that's
18:41
a hundred years ago, really is at the
18:43
core of this because feminism does the same
18:45
thing that transgenderism does, which again, is as
18:47
I mentioned earlier.
18:49
It says that we should treat men and
18:51
women as if we are exactly the same
18:52
in every single way.
18:54
That is literally what transgenderism does, right?
18:57
It says, you know, men and women are
18:58
the same.
18:59
The only difference is our plumbing, and we
19:01
can change that with surgery, right?
19:03
I mean, that's just the logical outcome of
19:05
the feminist philosophy.
19:07
And so, of course, feminism is a rejection
19:09
of Christianity, right?
19:11
The Bible says very clearly, male and female,
19:12
he created them, right?
19:14
God made men and women to be distinct,
19:16
beautiful, you know, redeemed by Christ, you know,
19:19
equal before God with different capacities and roles
19:21
and and vocations that he has given us
19:23
to perform in our families, in our churches,
19:25
in society.
19:28
And so really what's at the root of
19:30
this um is the rejection of Christianity, uh,
19:32
you know, which is central to America.
19:35
You cannot have a self-governing people if people
19:37
do not have a private way of restraining
19:40
their immoral behavior, right?
19:43
And in the United States, the private way
19:45
that people have learned to restrain their behavior
19:47
is through Christianity, right?
19:49
Government doesn't need to um, you know, tell
19:51
everybody every single little thing that they need
19:53
to do that is right and wrong, have
19:55
a law about every possible right and wrong
19:57
thing that could happen because people went to
19:59
church and even the ones who didn't, you
20:01
know, were friends, family members of those who
20:03
did, and they knew it was expected from
20:05
them, you know, of them culturally, and it
20:07
was a Christian Protestant understanding that you referred
20:08
to earlier.
20:11
And so um now that that has completely
20:13
degraded in our society, it's left open space
20:16
for just rampant, wanton um degradation, you know,
20:19
evil, uh, just straight up evil.
20:22
It is straight up evil to have, you
20:24
know, uh, you know, people looking like lizards,
20:26
you know, who are mentally deranged, able to,
20:28
you know, sit in the swing set next
20:30
to your daughter, you know, let alone showering
20:32
in the same YMCA stall as them and
20:34
all the rest of that.
20:36
Um, I mean, so really at the core
20:38
of this really is Americans, uh, I mean,
20:40
again, this happened a long time ago with
20:43
the uh kind of beginning of the progressive
20:45
movement, the attempt to substitute uh government for
20:47
God, right?
20:50
And so we used to, I mean, I
20:52
think um, I think people aware kind of
20:54
this news story that we have been seeing
20:56
some amazing things since the assassination of Charlie
20:59
Kirk, especially was a galvanizing moment.
21:00
Galvanizing moment.
21:01
Um, we now have the largest number of
21:01
Um, we now have the largest number of
21:03
young people attending church than we, you know,
21:03
young people attending church than we, you know,
21:05
uh have had in many generations.
21:05
uh have had in many generations.
21:07
And so there seems to be something happening
21:07
And so there seems to be something happening
21:09
on the ground, but it's not a foregone
21:09
on the ground, but it's not a foregone
21:10
conclusion, right?
21:10
conclusion, right?
21:12
You know, there yeah, uh there have been
21:12
You know, there yeah, uh, there have been
21:14
many times in American history that these sorts
21:14
many times in American history that these sorts
21:15
of movements have risen up and fallen away.
21:15
of movements have risen up and fallen away.
21:17
And sometimes they have, you know, created massive
21:17
And sometimes they have, you know, created massive
21:19
positive benefits.
21:19
positive benefits.
21:21
Sometimes they have done nothing.
21:21
Sometimes they have done nothing.
21:22
So this is really a moment for people
21:22
So this is really a moment for people
21:24
to be on guard and watching and being
21:25
to be on guard and watching and being
21:26
very aware of the intersection of spirituality with
21:27
very aware of the intersection of spirituality.
21:28
politics.
21:31
The two are overlaid nowadays in a way
21:33
that they haven't ever been almost um, you
21:35
know, they they very haven't been for most
21:37
of live people's lifetimes, right?
21:39
For you know, for for the silent generation
21:41
and boomer to alive, they can recall the
21:43
time when you could be a Republican or
21:45
a Democrat and a good, faithful, honest Christian,
21:47
right?
21:49
But now, and I would like it to
21:51
be that case again, frankly.
21:52
I think that, you know, Republicans really could
21:54
use some better competition.
21:55
Hopefully, it would improve um, you know, their
21:58
their delivery for their voters, um, and and
22:00
their moral status as a party.
22:03
But I mean, frankly, right now, you know,
22:05
the Democrat Party just straight up is the
22:07
party of, you know, mass murder of children,
22:10
the mass mutilation of children, the enslavement of
22:12
people economically, et cetera, et cetera.
22:14
So it's very hard.
22:15
I mean, they just really reject basic Christian
22:17
things now to an extent they never did
22:19
before.
22:21
And and they're up front and bold about
22:22
it.
22:24
You know, and some of the leaders in
22:26
this movement are, you know, stated Satanists and
22:29
that they they're doing things like they worship
22:31
um Baphomet and all of the the gods
22:34
of Baal and the gods of the old
22:36
testament that were cast out and put down
22:38
and they're they're open about it.
22:41
I it's so wild to me to see
22:42
that.
22:43
Meaning, so you know, I've raised a Christian,
22:45
but you know, put as a professionally, I've
22:46
been just a reporter and haven't been really
22:48
been, you know, someone who did a lot
22:50
of public mixing of my faith with my
22:51
job.
22:53
Um, you know, it's in the background guiding
22:55
me when I make ethical decisions, of course.
22:57
You know, but but the since the Biden
22:59
years, the just the clarity with which you
23:02
can see the policies and the spiritual overlap
23:04
there that I talked about has increased to
23:06
the fact that it's almost impossible to talk
23:08
about politics without also talking about faith.
23:11
And I mean, I actually, again, you know,
23:12
referring to the young people.
23:14
I think the young people who are going
23:16
back to church are seeing that, right?
23:17
They are getting that message from, you know,
23:20
the Democrat Party, and they're saying, well, we
23:22
went through a really dark time when people
23:24
who don't believe in God, you know, the
23:26
totalitarian types, you know, really were shutting us
23:29
out of society, and it felt extremely dark,
23:31
not just interpersonally and culturally, but spiritually during
23:33
the lockdown and COVID years.
23:36
And so, you know, that really has created
23:37
a hunger for people to say, I do
23:39
think that there is a God who tells
23:41
us what is right and wrong.
23:42
There is a God who made male and
23:44
female differently.
23:45
You can just tell by looking at us,
23:46
right?
23:47
Uh, you know, human nature, the natural law,
23:49
that is a real thing.
23:51
It comes from a God, and I want
23:52
to know more about him.
23:54
You know, you have an entire chapter in
23:57
your book on woke theology, and you just
23:59
lay that all out so beautifully about you
24:01
know the divisions and where this is this
24:04
whole um pride movement has gone.
24:06
And I think that people still think of
24:09
pride is just include, oh, well, it's just
24:11
a homosexual lifestyle, and we've just learned to
24:13
accept that, even though the Bible clearly states
24:16
that this is uh this is against God's
24:18
will in a and an outline outside of
24:20
God's uh rules and laws that he lays
24:23
out multiple different places in the Bible in
24:25
the old and the new testament.
24:27
And you have a whole chapter on that,
24:29
which is just really really compelling.
24:32
And you know, you also talk about in
24:34
your book, you've mentioned it several times in
24:35
the book about the the Bowstock, is that
24:37
how you pronounce it?
24:39
Bostock, Bostock decision.
24:41
I do both.
24:42
Yeah, you do, you say it both ways.
24:44
So potato just to cover all my basis.
24:46
Yeah, tomato tomato, you know, sort of thing.
24:48
So for the listener, it's B-O-S-T-O-C-K, both so
24:51
we'll call it Bostok uh decision.
24:55
What was that and why is it important?
24:57
Well, that was perhaps, you know, one of
24:59
the worst, it was definitely one of the
25:00
worst decisions to ever come out of the
25:02
Roberts Court.
25:03
Um, you know, we um it was a
25:06
five-four decision authored by, you know, newly at
25:09
that time um on the court, Justice, Associate
25:12
Justice, uh Neil Gorsuch, who had been promised
25:14
to American voters as this great, you know,
25:17
constitutionalist, textualist guy.
25:20
And what it really decided is it's just
25:23
straight up lied about what law and American
25:26
history say, and the dissenters point that out,
25:28
you know, Justices Alito and Thomas and and
25:31
um uh Kavanaugh, you know, each have different
25:34
kind of uh dissents and they point out
25:37
just how both legally and morally and practically
25:40
unhinged that decision was.
25:43
What it ruled was that just what the
25:46
Biden administration wanted, um, had are argued for
25:49
before the Supreme Court by a transgender lawyer,
25:52
uh Neil Gorsuch agreed with the argument that
25:55
um when Congress wrote the 1965 civil rights
25:58
law that prohibited discrimination based on sex, feminist
26:02
law, um, that the word sex included the
26:05
concept of gender identity.
26:08
Um meaning now constitutional or legally speaking, um,
26:12
the federal government what is required to protect
26:15
transgender behavior.
26:18
So this specific decision was related to employment,
26:20
something called Title Seven.
26:23
So, you know, Justice Gorsuch tried to say
26:25
in his ruling that, oh, well, you only
26:27
have to accommodate transgender people, I which means
26:30
give them transgender bathrooms, let them cross-dress at
26:32
work, you know, if you know if you're
26:34
a big employer, right?
26:37
But immediately, as he should have known what
26:39
happened, the Biden administration started applying that reasoning
26:42
to everywhere, to public schools, to health departments,
26:44
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
26:47
Um, and basically saying, oh, well, Congress, when
26:50
it wrote this law uh 70 years ago,
26:53
I mean, yeah, 60, 60 years ago, um,
26:57
knew it was actually meant to protect transgender
27:00
behavior when it was talking about sex.
27:04
The uh as the dissents pointed out, there
27:06
was no such the concept of gender identity
27:08
at the time that law was passed.
27:11
Congress could not possibly have meant to protect
27:15
transgender behavior because there was not transgender behavior.
27:19
There was no such the word I gender
27:21
identity didn't come up in any scholarship, any
27:24
writings, anything that anyone can find until several
27:26
years after that law was passed, right?
27:29
So what basically Neil Neil Gorsuch just had
27:31
a very obvious, he wanted to have this
27:33
conclusion.
27:35
And so he just legislated from the bench,
27:37
which is exactly the opposite of what he
27:39
was appointed, you know, to his job to
27:40
do.
27:42
Um, and he just wrote, you know, new
27:44
laws um from the bench um that Congress
27:47
did not intend to do at its time.
27:49
And so the result of that, as I
27:51
believe it was Justice Alito wrote in a
27:53
dissent, it could have been um Justice Thomas.
27:55
I'm uh mixing mine up a little bit
27:57
here, but he predicted that there would be
28:00
just more and more and more uh a
28:00
Just more and more and more uh a
28:02
reams of litigation occurring after this, because as
28:02
reams of litigation occurring after this, because as
28:04
soon as you open this little crack, this
28:05
soon as you open this little crack, this
28:07
lie, this falsehood that the word sex is
28:07
lie, this falsehood that the word sex is
28:09
supposed to include gender identity, then as as
28:09
supposed to include gender identity, then as as
28:12
the uh uh Biden administration went on to,
28:12
the uh uh Biden administration went on to,
28:14
the gender activists would try to include that
28:14
the gender activists would try to include that
28:16
in every single place.
28:16
in every single place.
28:19
There's more than 100 federal laws that protect
28:19
There's more than 100 federal laws that protect
28:21
Oh wow based on on the basis of
28:22
uh base on on the basis of sex.
28:23
sex.
28:25
So that is exactly what happened.
28:25
So that is exactly what happened.
28:27
The dissents were exactly right.
28:27
The descents were exactly right.
28:28
And so, um,
28:28
And so um we I'm and I kind
28:30
of joke about my book.
28:31
What I'm it's actually one of my favorite
28:33
sections where I title, you know, Neil Gorsuch
28:35
doesn't understand how sex works, and neither did
28:37
the other people, a part of his majority,
28:39
because he tried to say, you know, it's
28:41
it's discrimination.
28:43
If you would, you know, uh basically treat
28:45
someone differently based on their sex, right?
28:47
So for example, you're an employer, you say,
28:48
well, a woman can wear a dress, but
28:50
a man cannot wear a dress.
28:51
Gorsuch was saying that's uh that's you know,
28:53
sex discrimination.
28:56
And um, and it's also and I but
28:57
I said you know I write on the
28:58
article, right?
29:00
That the problem with his reasoning is that
29:02
if you take out a man and substitute
29:04
a woman, men and women are not the
29:05
same.
29:07
So you're not replacing that man with the
29:09
equivalent, you're replacing a man with a woman,
29:11
which is literally something different, right?
29:13
So it's kind of like in the case
29:14
of same-sex marriage, right?
29:16
If you have a man and a woman
29:18
in a relationship, and you take, say, the
29:20
woman out and put a man in there,
29:21
so now you have two men, you did
29:23
not do like an equivalent switcheroo.
29:25
A man and a man are not the
29:27
same interaction, they're not the same couple as
29:29
a man and a woman, because men and
29:30
women are different.
29:33
And so Neil Gorsuch really just doesn't understand
29:34
the fact that men and women have different
29:35
bodies.
29:37
Two men cannot engage in the same private
29:39
behavior that a man and a woman can
29:40
engage in.
29:41
They do not literally have the same bodies
29:43
that can engage, and I'm trying to be
29:45
PG here, right?
29:46
But I'm sure people can fill in the
29:47
details.
29:48
They literally don't have the same bodies that
29:50
can engage in the same functions that a
29:51
you know, a man and a woman versus
29:52
a man and a man.
29:54
So you are not having the same thing
29:56
happening between one couple as the other.
29:58
And so if I think if the Supreme
29:59
Court understood how sex works, they would have
30:01
been able to understand that basic fact of
30:03
reality.
30:04
You would.
30:05
Well, hold that thought because this could go
30:07
on for hours, as interesting as it is,
30:08
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30:10
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Okay, welcome back, everyone.
38:09
Today's conversation is with Joy Pullman, the executive
38:12
editor of The Un of the Federalist, talking
38:15
about her book, False Flag, Why Queer Politics
38:17
Means the End of America.
38:20
Let me tell you just a little bit
38:21
more about today's guest.
38:23
Joy has been an education and politics reporter
38:25
for more than 20 years.
38:27
She's testified before legislatures on education and policy,
38:29
appeared on many, many TV and cable news
38:31
networks.
38:33
She's a graduate from Hillsdale College.
38:36
She's a Christian, um, uh she's a co-founder
38:39
of a Christian classical school and the author
38:41
of and co-author of Classical Curricula.
38:44
She's a mom and a mother of six
38:45
kids.
38:47
She is uh has two prominent e-books called
38:50
300 classical books for ages nine to four
38:52
ages nine to adult and the best selling
38:55
classic books for young children.
38:58
Joy, welcome so much for being here.
39:00
It's such a pleasure to have you on
39:01
the show and to talk about this in
39:02
detail.
39:04
I want you to give just uh a
39:06
brief overview, just really brief overview of how
39:09
the how the pride flag came into being
39:12
uh historically about that.
39:15
Well, it's basically created by, you know, as
39:17
you would expect queer activists in California, um,
39:20
who really um and I and I have
39:22
you know kind of the details in my
39:24
book, but really when they were creating the
39:27
flag themselves described it as an act of
39:29
revolution, as an act of rejection of American
39:32
ideals and uh, you know, American ideals would
39:34
be based on the natural law, which come
39:37
at the founder said from God Almighty, the
39:39
Christian Protestant, God Almighty.
39:42
I guess same as the Catholic God, but
39:44
you know, the Christian God.
39:46
Um, and um, he said it was an
39:48
act of rebellion against those in order to
39:50
kind of give a new identity.
39:53
And and I think it was actually part
39:55
of the inspiration of the book to think
39:57
about that flag because especially after the BLM
39:59
riots of 2020, you would see uh that
40:01
flag crop up all over the place, and
40:03
to me it felt like living in occupied
40:05
territory, right?
40:07
That you're not seeing American flags, you're seeing
40:09
the flags of a foreign occupying power.
40:12
And the rest of my book goes on
40:14
to detail how really it is a foreign,
40:16
you know, anti-American occupying power that really has
40:18
territory, colonized the minds of many Americans, and
40:20
now, you know, is in on our soil,
40:22
and that we have to deal with it
40:24
here.
40:27
How does destabilizing the family through the sexual
40:31
politics and what you call sexual Marxism mean
40:34
the end of Western civilization achievements and protections?
40:38
Well, it's really because, and this builds on
40:40
a lot of scholarship that is not my
40:41
own, but I reference in the book.
40:43
But the core, the way to create human
40:46
achievement, maybe the number one way um is
40:48
to have a natural family, because what spurs
40:50
human achievement is directed use of our sexual
40:53
energies.
40:55
And so there's been, you know, Alan Carlson
40:56
is one researcher who's done a lot on
40:58
this.
40:59
Mary Eberstat, you know, people that I reference
41:01
in my book, um, really have shown that
41:04
one of the top contributors to the superlative
41:06
achievements of Western civilization, which I would say
41:08
are really above the achievements of every other
41:11
civilization.
41:13
And I'm sure that a key part of
41:15
that is um because Western civilization to come
41:18
like no other has embraced the Christian faith,
41:20
which of course is open to all people
41:22
from every nation.
41:24
Um, but at the one of the core
41:26
things that the Christian faith teaches that Western
41:29
culture has imbibed is the direction of sexual
41:31
energies into marriage.
41:34
And so when you restrain sexual energy when
41:36
you direct it, um, what you do is
41:39
create it it's a powerful motivator, right?
41:41
So when a man is married to one
41:43
woman, a woman is married to one man,
41:46
they are directing their energies towards their family,
41:48
towards each other, rather than kind of, you
41:50
know, we'll just use the metaphor, spreading, you
41:52
know, their seed among many and dissipating, uh,
41:54
kind of among essentially prostitutes or the lack
41:56
of marriage.
41:58
Because what a marriage is is the use
42:00
Is the use of that sexual energy in
42:01
of that sexual energy in a creative and
42:02
a creative and a procreative in a fulfilling
42:04
a procreative and a fulfilling and productive way.
42:04
and productive way.
42:07
The if you use sexuality in any other
42:07
If you use sexuality in any other way,
42:09
way, it is not only not naturally creative,
42:09
it is not only not naturally creative, it
42:11
it doesn't result in a baby right.
42:11
doesn't result in a baby, right?
42:13
So, you know, um homosexual interactions are sterile,
42:13
So, you know, um, homosexual interactions are sterile,
42:15
naturally speaking.
42:16
naturally speaking, they cannot create a family.
42:17
They cannot create a family.
42:19
Um, they cannot create new life.
42:19
Um, they cannot create new life, only male-female
42:21
relations can.
42:21
Only male female relationships can.
42:23
And we know that male female relations, in
42:23
And we know that male-female relations, in order
42:25
order to be productive, have to be united
42:25
to be productive, have to be united in
42:26
in a lifelong marriage.
42:26
a lifelong marriage.
42:28
They can't, if if if
42:28
They can't, if if if a man in
42:30
a if there's serial monogamy or, you know,
42:32
polygamy, essentially, if people are sleeping around with
42:34
each other and never marrying, we know what
42:36
happens to those kids, right?
42:38
Those kids are not raised in a way
42:40
that makes them more likely to be productive,
42:42
contributing citizens.
42:43
It is only within a lifelong monogamous marriage
42:46
that people are raised with the core sense
42:49
of identity with the focus and attention from
42:52
both their biological parents, is just the number
42:54
one way to uh decrease all of the
42:57
risks of bad things happening and increase all
43:00
of the advantages of good things happening.
43:03
If you want your civilization to thrive, you
43:05
want to have monogamous, married, you know, father
43:07
headed, uh, husband-wife households that stay together for
43:10
life.
43:12
And so by promoting that is a core
43:14
Christian norm is a very difficult thing.
43:17
Many societies have not done that.
43:19
Even parts of Western civilization, you know, the
43:20
ancient Romans, the ancient Greeks, um, you know,
43:22
many of them did not have that as
43:24
part of a civilization.
43:25
It is uniquely Christian to basically restrain, especially
43:27
men and say, look, you need to be
43:30
committed to one woman for life and the
43:32
children that you make together.
43:34
But when that restraint, what that restraint is
43:37
productive and fruitful for a society, it creates
43:39
children who are equipped, but so this is
43:42
pertinent, of course, here it creates children who
43:45
are equipped to rise to self-government.
43:47
Because children who do not have a father
43:49
and mother regulating their emotions when they're young,
43:51
regulating their behavior, saying, No, I will not
43:53
accept that.
43:55
You know, you this is how we behave
43:57
in this household, paying attention to them, closely
43:59
nurturing them, like the way, you know, that
44:01
uh people are freed to do only when
44:03
there's a father and mother together working together
44:05
for the betterment of their whole family.
44:07
Um, those children are um have orderly minds.
44:11
They are not chaotic within their souls.
44:13
They are not worried about um, you know,
44:15
the shifting five family dynamics that happen when
44:17
there's a divorce or when there's polygamy, when
44:19
there's you know, multiple partners, everybody who's involved
44:21
with a blended family who has observed them
44:23
is aware, right?
44:25
It's uh there's a lot of drama created
44:27
and it's non-productive drama, right?
44:29
What who's gonna go where for Christmas?
44:31
Oh, I don't really like that side of
44:31
the family.
44:32
Oh, what will they think of me, et
44:34
cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
44:35
All of that unproductive drama is stripped away
44:38
when you just have a normal, natural family
44:40
that sticks together with its biologically created components.
44:43
And so what that does is drives productivity
44:46
and creativity that spills over into a society
44:49
and creates and leads towards achievements in the
44:51
sciences, in the arts, in literature, in religion,
44:54
you know, creating beautiful and great architecture, such
44:57
as we see in Western civilization.
45:00
Um, and I'm I'm not just making this
45:02
up off the power of my head, and
45:04
I'm I will remind you, you know, it's
45:06
just empirically documented that because of those restraints,
45:08
those restraints actually lead to human flourishing in
45:11
a way that is unlike any other way.
45:13
And so that is one of the secret
45:15
sauce of Western civilization and its corollary is
45:17
as the family breaks down, we do not
45:20
have as many citizens who are capable of
45:22
the self-restraint, the not the lack of needing
45:24
government to control every little thing they do
45:26
because they did not have a father or
45:28
mother around to teach them that thing and
45:30
bring them to church, which also teaches them
45:33
to restrain themselves.
45:35
I'll just give you one quick little example
45:36
to close this down.
45:38
Um, I believe it recently McDonald's announced that
45:40
they are no longer they're going to be
45:43
shutting down their self-serve soda because they they
45:45
call it a change in customer habits.
45:48
What that means is people were stealing, right?
45:50
They were have they were over and indulging.
45:52
They would get, you know, a couple cup
45:54
for themselves and then share among their whole
45:56
table because people are increasingly stealing.
45:59
People, you cannot, I mean, of course, stealing
46:00
is illegal, but are you going to have
46:02
a policeman stationed in every single McDonald's to
46:04
watch the soda machine?
46:07
No, you are not.
46:08
Like, and even if you tried to do
46:09
that, it would be totalitarian, right?
46:11
But the point is that's one tiny little
46:13
example of the kind of social habits that
46:15
break down when people do not learn order,
46:18
self-restraint from their family and from going to
46:20
church.
46:22
And I mean, you can add thousands of
46:24
little things from rudeness in, you know, airports,
46:26
um, rudeness on the roads, road rates, just
46:28
you just cannot have a government big enough
46:30
to control all of those things.
46:33
People have to learn them from their families
46:34
and from their churches.
46:35
And when they do not, society disintegrates.
46:38
You know, another thing, just when you said
46:41
that about the self-serve things at um at
46:44
McDonald's and how people are stealing.
46:47
Many grocery stores have done away with the
46:49
with the uh self-checkouts because people they were
46:52
losing so much money because people were like
46:54
maybe scanning every other, every third item and
46:56
then just putting them into their shopping cart
46:59
again, goes with the the social norm of
47:01
thou shalt not steal, which is part of
47:03
the Christian philosophy.
47:06
You know, in your book, you and I
47:08
want to quote this you say that LGBT
47:11
laws are replacing the normative American way of
47:14
life, which is what we're talking about here,
47:16
and are and are at the spearhead of
47:19
a violent regime regime change.
47:21
And you make a point in several places
47:24
in the book about how that the pride
47:26
movement has gone, has really swung towards the
47:29
violent revolutionary upending and ending of America, not
47:32
just you know what it was when it
47:34
first started out maybe 60 years ago, that
47:37
it really has gone that way.
47:40
How is this all in particularly the sexual
47:43
chaos that you talk about in your book,
47:46
um, a precondition for our the the breakdown
47:49
of our country of our country and leading
47:51
to a totalitarian government?
47:55
Well, one of the uh it may be
47:57
the number one, um if it, but it's
47:59
in absolutely in the top three um factors
48:01
that make someone uh, you know, that are
48:03
common among school shooters is not having a
48:06
father in the home.
48:08
You know, and people have known this for
48:09
a very long time.
48:10
If you do not have a father in
48:12
the home, that, and again, this is not
48:14
true of every single one, but we're talking
48:15
about in the aggregate, and it increases the
48:17
risk of every terrible thing, which includes many
48:19
acts of violence.
48:21
Rapists more likely to, I mean, you go
48:22
to a prison, right?
48:24
The men there, the rate of fatherlessness, this
48:26
is, you know, this is well known.
48:28
This has been well known for decades, right?
48:30
And so fatherness is direct fatherlessness, sorry, is
48:33
directly correlated with violence, because children who do
48:36
not have a father to restrain them to
48:39
properly appropriately discipline them in the home and
48:43
teach them standards for normative behavior, they are
48:46
at the mercy more likely of their passions.
48:49
People who are used to being at the
48:51
mercy of their passions, more of them grow
48:53
up to be thieves, robbers, murderers, rapists, you
48:55
know, than children who do have a father
48:57
in their home who has taught them to
48:59
restrain their passions.
49:00
Who has taught them to restrain their passions?
49:02
Um, and so I mean, this is just
49:02
Um, and so I mean, this is just
49:04
basic humanity 101.
49:04
basic humanity 101.
49:06
I should you know, people, you know, it's
49:06
I should you know, people, you know, it's
49:08
one of those things, you know, that you
49:08
one of those things, you know, that you
49:10
now have to say the obvious, you know,
49:10
now have to say the obvious, you know,
49:12
on podcasts, because people have we we retcon,
49:12
on podcasts because people have we we retcon,
49:14
we're propagandized just all the way up to
49:14
we're propagandized just all the way up to
49:16
the fullest.
49:16
the fullest.
49:18
And so, I mean, I go throughout in
49:18
And so I mean, I go throughout in
49:20
the book, but the if so there, if
49:20
the book, but the if so there, if
49:22
you look at the homosexual movement, right from
49:22
you look at the homosexual movement, right from
49:25
the very beginning, including also a feminist movement,
49:25
the very beginning, including also a feminist movement,
49:27
which the two are tied together, not just
49:27
which the two are tied together, not just
49:29
philosophically, but personnel wise.
49:32
Um, this is gonna be a surprise to
49:33
a lot of people, but I would urge
49:35
people to read the book by Carrie Gress,
49:36
end of the end of woman.
49:38
Um, you know, and I rely on that
49:40
in my book, but she goes through and
49:43
talks about how um the early feminists uh
49:45
were communists, they were Satanists, they believe, you
49:47
know, they were conducting seances.
49:50
We're not talking about the third wave 1960s.
49:52
We're talking about the early first wave, late
49:54
1800s onward.
49:55
And the same is true of the homosexual
49:57
revolutionaries, you know, the in the 60s and
49:59
the 70s when they felt that it was
50:01
safe to become uh to start, you know,
50:03
kind of putting their propaganda in public, um,
50:05
which had never been done before and really
50:07
in American history.
50:09
They we engaged in acts of violence as
50:10
their protest.
50:12
You know, they would um, you know, go
50:14
vandalize churches.
50:15
They would go attack people, you know, uh
50:17
trying to eat uh dinner outside, you know.
50:19
And they basically said we are a revolutionary,
50:21
they were tied in with the there's a
50:23
whole ton of you know communist sort of
50:25
things happening at the time that moved into
50:27
our universities from there.
50:29
And the homosexual movement explicitly the leaders of
50:31
it said that they were a part of
50:33
that and that violence was uh a part
50:35
of achieving their goals, which is you know,
50:37
something that again is ties them back straight
50:39
directly to the communist movement from the very
50:41
beginning.
50:43
You know, you the last chapter of your
50:45
book.
50:47
Um, we're coming down to the unfortunately the
50:48
last few minutes and our time together here
50:50
because we could talk about I could talk
50:52
to you about this.
50:53
Your book is so fascinating.
50:55
I'm gonna encourage everybody to go get this
50:57
book, false flag.
50:58
Um, it really is an eye-opener.
51:01
But the whole last chapter of your book
51:03
are what can Americans do?
51:06
What can normal Americans do when they see
51:08
this, like you said, when you see a
51:10
lizard guy sitting in in a swing next
51:12
to your daughter at the playground.
51:14
I mean, uh, what can Americans do besides
51:16
just lock themselves up in their house and
51:18
never leave again?
51:20
What can they do?
51:21
What are those some steps that can be
51:22
taken?
51:24
I do think this is not a good
51:26
time for retreat because if we retreat, we
51:27
we cede the public square to the crazies.
51:30
Yeah, there you go.
51:30
Exactly what will not protect us.
51:32
I do, of course, think we should protect
51:33
the children and the vulnerable, right?
51:35
I would not let my child play it
51:37
on, you know, uh uh such a playground.
51:39
Um, but I would also not just be
51:40
leave it there and stop going to the
51:42
playground.
51:43
I would complain to all my public officials
51:45
and say, look, we need a policeman here.
51:47
You know, we should not have, yeah, I
51:49
mean, homeless people, you know, anyone who seems
51:50
likely to threaten the safety of the children,
51:52
we have to have our public square safe
51:54
for the vulnerable to be able to act
51:55
in it.
51:57
This is a basic American expectation.
52:00
Um, and so I I say in the
52:01
book, I do think the number one place
52:02
that people always need to start with is
52:04
ourselves.
52:05
We all have relationships with family, and this
52:08
is a family and individual breakdown problem, right?
52:10
And all of us have experiences with family
52:12
breakdown.
52:13
It's just so pervasive nowadays, you know, if
52:15
it's not in your own personal marriage or
52:17
with your children, it's with you know, extended
52:18
family, with your own parents, with you know,
52:20
cousins, brothers, sisters.
52:22
And so there is always within our own
52:24
life somewhere that we can try to repair
52:26
and improve family bonds.
52:28
And that is absolutely necessary because the family,
52:31
I mean, Alexander Solsenitsin, people who are famous
52:34
um resistors to totalitarianism, such as Vasov Havel.
52:38
You know, there's just people who in the
52:39
Czech Republic, you know, talked about how they
52:41
stood against totalitarianism.
52:42
Number one way is to have a close-knit
52:44
caring family.
52:45
So you need to be a dedicated parent
52:46
to your children.
52:47
You need to be a good brother, a
52:49
good sister, wife, husband.
52:50
You need to put your family and the
52:51
people in your life first.
52:52
And if they have a problem, you need
52:54
to show up for them.
52:55
It's not someone else's job.
52:56
You know, because if people when people are
52:58
isolated and left alone, um, that is when
53:00
they start doing crazy things, right?
53:02
They start getting online.
53:03
They start, you know, getting create, you know,
53:05
creepier and weirder forums, et cetera, et cetera.
53:06
We all need to develop skills of communication,
53:08
you know, of um and improve our skills
53:10
of, you know, talking with people, working out
53:13
ideas, helping people with, you know, their dark
53:15
and difficult thoughts and really showing up for
53:17
those in our lives that is your job
53:19
as someone who has a relationship with somebody
53:21
to be able to do that.
53:23
And so that's where I would start.
53:24
And then I do think people who do
53:26
have their family lives in good order as
53:27
best as they can make it.
53:29
We really need to consider, you know, um,
53:31
especially starting in our local area, running for
53:33
um open positions, primary bad politicians, you know,
53:35
a lot of the situation that we're in
53:38
is because we have people in power who
53:40
are weak, who are cowards, who, you know,
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do not want to use the use of
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the the proper authority of their offices in
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the pursuit of justice and protection for the
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genuine vulnerable and for what is right, you
53:51
know, for um the women, the children, the
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elderly, the sick.
53:56
Um, and so we need people to stand
53:57
up.
53:58
Uh, we need more men to stand up
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to have who have good, well-run homes to
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say, look, we also need a well-run neighborhood.
54:05
I should be on my neighborhood association board.
54:07
I'm gonna think about running for city council.
54:09
I'm gonna be on a the board of
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a nonprofit in my area, you know, and
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and kind of um that spends a lot
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of money and try to help them spend
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it in wise ways and not fomenting agitators
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at the local level.
54:20
I'm gonna be on my library board and
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not let them put pornography into the hands
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of children.
54:24
We need people, you know, who are able
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to devote that kind of energy really rather
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than retreating to start pressing into the public
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square because those who retreat are really ceding
54:32
that ground to the crazy people.
54:34
So they have to be displaced by people
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whose lives are in order.
54:37
And so if that's you, if you're gonna
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get, I mean, maybe that will be you
54:40
in five years, get to that point and
54:42
do something, and we all need to be
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doing that.
54:45
Wow, that is a it's it's uh it's
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a forward action thing at all levels, you
54:49
know.
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Um, you know, all politics is local, even
54:53
though we think it's a grandiose at a
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at a large federal level, it's really local.
54:57
Um, Joy, you know, it's been such a
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pleasure to have you with us today.
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I thank you so much for writing this
55:02
book and bringing it to our attention.
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Um, I want to do you do you
55:05
sell the book at the Federalist?
55:07
Do you have a bookstore there where you
55:08
sell your books?
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I like to refer people to bookshop.org because
55:12
Amazon has censored me, but it is also
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available on Amazon.
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Okay, that's so that's really good.
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And where else can they follow your work
55:20
and get more of you?
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I mean, the two only two places that
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I am online are the Federalist and uh
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X.com/slash Joy Pullman, two L's, two Ns.
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There you go.
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That's very good.
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Well, thank you again so much for the
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generosity of your time for being here.
55:34
And I want to thank all of our
55:35
listeners.
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This is a really compelling book.
55:38
And we put them all in our bookstore.
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It's called bookstore.dr.10penny.com.
55:42
I always give the authors first dib on
55:44
whether or not they, if they're selling it
55:45
from their website, that they should go buy
55:47
it from them.
55:48
But if you can't, we wait, we make
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it easy for everybody to find all of
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our authors in one place.
55:53
It's and I'd rather people support you than
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Amazon.
55:55
So that's even better at bookstore.dr10penny.com is an
55:58
easy place for you to find that.
56:00
Easy place for you to find that.
56:01
So I want to thank everybody for being
56:01
So I want to thank everybody for being
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with us here today.
56:02
with us here today.
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And I'm going to close out with all
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And I'm gonna close out with all with
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with one of my favorite verses from the
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one of my favorite verses from the Bible.
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Bible.
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I close all of my podcasts with, whether
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I close all of my podcasts with, whether
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they are live or pre-recorded, which is Romans
56:09
they are live or pre recorded, which is
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12 12.
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Romans 12 12.
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Rejoice in hope, be patient in trouble and
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Rejoice in hope, be patient in trouble, and
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be persistent in prayer.
56:14
be persistent in prayer.
56:16
And Lord knows our country needs our prayers
56:16
And Lord knows our country needs our prayers
56:18
right now more than anything.
56:18
right now more than anything.
56:20
So remember to lean into God, trust him
56:20
So remember to lean into God, trust Him
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for everything.
56:21
for everything.
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He won't let you down.
56:23
He won't let you down.
56:24
His timeline might not be your timeline, but
56:24
His timeline might not be your timeline, but
56:25
he's always there with you.
56:25
He's always there with you.
56:27
Thank you for being here with us today.
56:27
Thank you for being here with us today.
56:29
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Uh, thank you for supporting our platforms.
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We hope that you have a good evening,
56:33
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the next time on the Ten Penny Files.
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Goodbye and God bless.