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Sharri | 23 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Shari.
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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the show.
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Speaker 4: I'm Danikiti Giorgio filling in tonight for Shari. Coming up
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Speaker 4: on the program. Anthony Aarbernesi rejected three times in the
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Speaker 4: space of two weeks on the world stage, but his
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Speaker 4: latest failure to secure a meeting with Donald Trump is dangerous.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you why.
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Speaker 4: Next, Chris Bowen takes his climate change Armageddon tour to
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Speaker 4: the United Nations, spooking Labour's uncosted twenty thirty five emissions target.
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Speaker 4: I'll catch up with Deputy Nationals Leader Kevin Hogan on
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Speaker 4: this latest fast shortly and will break down the latest
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Speaker 4: immigration numbers with economist Warren Hogan and why Labour has
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Speaker 4: no control over its own policies.
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Speaker 3: No wonder every day ossie is are fed up.
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Speaker 4: But first tonight, Anthony Arberenesi is officially a reject, like
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Speaker 4: a dud date who thinks he's in a relationship but
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Speaker 4: has actually.
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Speaker 3: Been friend zoned.
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Speaker 4: In fact, he's had three rejections in the space of
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Speaker 4: two weeks.
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Speaker 3: Gee take the Albo.
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Speaker 4: First, he couldn't secure a security agreement with Vanuatu during
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Speaker 4: his tour of the Pacific. Then he couldn't secure a
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Speaker 4: security treaty with Papua New Guinea in the same week,
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Speaker 4: and now for a second time, he could not secure
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Speaker 4: a bilateral meeting with Donald Trump at the United Nations
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Speaker 4: General Assembly in New York. As I said, Anthony Alberanezi
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Speaker 4: is a reject. He's sitting like a wallflower, just waiting
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Speaker 4: to be picked. And the message from the Trump administration
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Speaker 4: is loud and clear. Australia is not a priority. And
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Speaker 4: this is how you know you're in the deep freeze.
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Speaker 5: The President will also be hosting bilateral meetings with the
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Speaker 5: UN Secretary General and the leaders of Ukraine, Argentina and
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Speaker 5: the European Union.
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Speaker 4: Okay, so Ukraine, Argentina, the UN and EU leaders, so
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Speaker 4: there's absolutely no room in the schedule for Albo.
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Speaker 5: The President will also leader in the day hold their
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Speaker 5: multilateral meeting with Katar, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Turkey, Pakistan, Egypt,
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Speaker 5: the UAE, and Jordan.
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Speaker 4: Ja's like watching Oh pray you get a meeting, you
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Speaker 4: get a meeting, Everyone gets a meeting except for Albo.
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Speaker 4: Trump is meeting with everyone except Albo.
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Speaker 5: After these important meetings, the President will attend a reception
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Speaker 5: tomorrow night with more than one hundred world leaders before
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Speaker 5: returning to Washington, DC.
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Speaker 3: Well that might be.
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Speaker 4: He only shot at the reception, and all it will
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Speaker 4: be is a handshake. No bilateral meeting, not even twenty minutes.
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Speaker 4: Rejected once at the G seven in June was bad.
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Speaker 4: Rejected twice. Now that's just humiliating. And this really is
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Speaker 4: an utter failure of foreign policy. Though hardly surprising, Anthony
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Speaker 4: Albanezi has no personal connection with the US president. He's
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Speaker 4: gone against our number one ally in recognizing a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 4: He has said no to the Trump administration's demands for
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Speaker 4: US to lift our defense spending. Labor had no comment
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Speaker 4: for days after the US took out Iran's nuclear facilities.
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Speaker 4: Anthony Arberenesi has also spent more time in China than
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Speaker 4: trying to build a relationship with Trump. The US ramped
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Speaker 4: up its rhetoric against Beijing, while Anthony Arberenesi.
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Speaker 3: Posed with Pandas. And of course, the.
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Speaker 4: Elephant in the room remains Kevin Rudd, who is, of
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Speaker 4: course the ambassador to the US.
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Speaker 3: Despite his previous comments about the president that.
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Speaker 6: This madman called Trump could have been elected.
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Speaker 7: The United States in the last four years has been
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Speaker 7: run by a village idiot.
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Speaker 4: Labor has absolutely trashed this alliance. So no wonder, no wonder.
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Speaker 4: Anthony Aarberenesi is not on the catch up list, despite
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Speaker 4: his previous assurances that all is under control.
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Speaker 8: Well, when you see it on your screens, no, it's confirmed.
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Speaker 8: So we have a range of meetings, whether it's a
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Speaker 8: UN General Assembly, ASI APEC, so we'll be running into
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Speaker 8: each other regularly.
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Speaker 6: When we have a meeting, we'll have a meeting.
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Speaker 8: Well, of course we will meetings, So it'll be a
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Speaker 8: range of meetings between now and the end of the
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Speaker 8: year with President Trump.
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Speaker 6: Thee confidence that.
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Speaker 8: I refer to my previous five three hundred and twenty
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Speaker 8: four entweres to that same question.
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Speaker 3: Now, look, make no mistake.
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Speaker 4: This failure to secure a meeting with Donald Trump is
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Speaker 4: a big problem for Australia. There is so much on
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Speaker 4: the table right now. We could lose our submarine fleet.
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Speaker 4: The Orchest agreement is on tenter hooks and is under
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Speaker 4: review by the United States. Anthony Albanezi needed to have
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Speaker 4: secured this meeting to get the agreement back on track.
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Speaker 3: This was his chance to.
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Speaker 4: Come back to Australia with a guarantee, because without those
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Speaker 4: submarines we will be left exposed and with very little,
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Speaker 4: especially at a time when China is threatening war, and
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Speaker 4: this is dangerous for Australia. The Prime Minister has failed
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Speaker 4: in his mission in the last week in the Pacific
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Speaker 4: to secure security packs with Vanuatu and PNG because of
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Speaker 4: China's influence in stopping these deals going ahead. Our regional
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Speaker 4: partnerships are falling apart. China's influence is growing, and of
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Speaker 4: course there's the ongoing issues with tariffs and Albo can't
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Speaker 4: get a meeting with Trump and have a listen to
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Speaker 4: the way Labor tried to spin its way out of this.
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Speaker 7: Today, I think we should say this is a good
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Speaker 7: thing because it means that the president who's been meeting
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Speaker 7: with world leaders to try and reach agreements on trade policy,
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Speaker 7: he's trying to do deals with other nations around tariff's
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Speaker 7: and trade policy. He doesn't need to do that with Australia.
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Speaker 4: Really, I could try their Matt fiss Away. Albo now
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Speaker 4: has to hope and pray he'll get a shot at
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Speaker 4: next month's eight Peck and Asian summits. Otherwise, he'll be
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Speaker 4: waiting by the phone forever. Well, it was only a
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Speaker 4: week ago Chris Bowen warned us about the climate change
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Speaker 4: armageddon coming our way if we don't race to renewaballs.
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Speaker 4: And now he sounded the doomsday gazoo over in New York.
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Speaker 3: At the United Nations taking his armageddon tour.
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Speaker 9: Global climate denial is still with us, but it takes
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Speaker 9: new forms. All too hard, is and this is all
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Speaker 9: too hard or no one else is doing enough? Why
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Speaker 9: should we do this when the rest of the world
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Speaker 9: isn't moving? And that's an easy message enarrative for the
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Speaker 9: deniers and delayers to communicate.
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Speaker 3: I mean, who let this guy out on the world stage.
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Speaker 4: Seriously, Well, what we can't deny Chris Bowen is that
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Speaker 4: Australia amidst just one percent of greenhouse gas emissions one percent,
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Speaker 4: Yet we are the ones.
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Speaker 3: Apparently doing the heavy lifting.
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Speaker 4: And for what I mean, it's not going to change
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Speaker 4: the weather, it's certainly not going to do any thing.
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Speaker 3: For our energy bills.
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Speaker 4: Yet Chris Bowen is out there peddling an uncosted twenty
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Speaker 4: thirty five emissions reduction target of sixty two to seventy
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Speaker 4: percent with absolutely no clue how much it will cost you.
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Speaker 9: Australia has just presented our nationally determined contribution to the
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Speaker 9: unf Triple C of a Cup in emissions by twenty
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Speaker 9: thirty five of sixty two to seventy percent, a target
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Speaker 9: we regard as ambitious but also achievable hard work, not automatic,
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Speaker 9: won't be easy, but achievable, which is the key thing.
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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing.
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Speaker 4: We've been warned time and time again by experts and
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Speaker 4: AEMO that we will not reach our emissions reduction targets
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Speaker 4: as they are via this experiment of transmission lines, giant
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Speaker 4: wind turbines, green hydrogen, solar farms and batteries. Not one
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Speaker 4: expert has says we can achieve our targets as they are.
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Speaker 4: And Labour's been told it can't even get to forty
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Speaker 4: three percent by twenty thirty but has had some sort
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Speaker 4: of bizarre light bulb moment and thought to increase it
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Speaker 4: to sixty two to seventy percent by twenty thirty five.
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Speaker 3: And look, I have lost count at the amount.
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Speaker 4: Of renewables projects that have gone bust or have been
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Speaker 4: delayed in the last few months alone across the country.
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Speaker 4: But Bowen is out there selling it as a remarkable opportunity.
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Speaker 9: Now, this is a remarkable opportunity to transform, transform consumers
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Speaker 9: into prosumers, producers and consumers of energy all at the
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Speaker 9: same time.
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Speaker 2: And this is.
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Speaker 9: Part of the story that we can tell that yes,
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Speaker 9: there are challenges and headwinds and delays, but there are
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Speaker 9: remarkable opportunities. There are remarkable opportunities to put consumers, to
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Speaker 9: put individuals in charge for the first time.
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Speaker 4: How many times can you say remarkable, Well, the only
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Speaker 4: thing remarkable about it is that labor has.
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Speaker 3: Managed to make electricity more.
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Speaker 4: Expensive in this country even though we were told it
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Speaker 4: would be cheaper under renewables, and at the same time
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Speaker 4: has made the grid less liable.
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Speaker 3: Now that is remarkable.
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Speaker 4: Bowlin then went on to show us why he actually
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Speaker 4: has no clue about energy bills.
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Speaker 9: The old days, we used to just get an anasy
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Speaker 9: bill and have no choice but to pay it. That
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Speaker 9: is rapidly changing. Certainly in my country.
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Speaker 4: We used to get an energy bill and had no choice.
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Speaker 3: But to pay it, And that's changing now.
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Speaker 4: Look, I don't know about you, but I certainly don't
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Speaker 4: get an imaginary bill every quarter that magically pays itself.
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Speaker 3: But look I digress.
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Speaker 4: Here was Bold explaining why you no longer have to
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Speaker 4: pay your electricity bills and why it's rapidly changing.
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Speaker 9: Country with the highest rooftop solar penetration in the world,
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Speaker 9: with more than a third of Australian houses having solar
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Speaker 9: panels on the roof, more than have a backcout swimming pool,
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Speaker 9: and many Australian houses have a backcout swimming pool.
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Speaker 3: Again, who let this guy on the world stage? Seriously?
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Speaker 4: And the reality is Labour is doubling down on climate
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Speaker 4: targets while we are shutting down coal plants with no
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Speaker 4: plan B for energy generation to keep the lights on
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Speaker 4: in this country, and the cost will inevitably be passed
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Speaker 4: on to us as consumers.
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Speaker 3: Now, of course, what we care about is what it
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Speaker 3: means for our.
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Speaker 4: Power bills, because ever since labor came into power, your
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Speaker 4: bills have gone up by up to one thousand dollars.
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Speaker 4: So under the new twenty thirty five target, Labour reckons
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Speaker 4: in ten years time, you'll cut your losses. Its modeling,
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Speaker 4: says expert analysis by the Australian Energy Market Commission projects
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Speaker 4: residential electricity prices will fall by thirteen percent and average
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Speaker 4: household energy costs will fall by about twenty percent, or
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Speaker 4: around one thousand dollars a year over the next decade
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Speaker 4: under a coordinated renewables roll out, and thanks to the
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Speaker 4: Climate Change Authority for that one. So in ten years time,
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Speaker 4: when Anthony Alberdeasi is sipping pinicoladas at the Coba Cabanna,
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Speaker 4: your power bills may or may not go down by
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Speaker 4: one thousand dollars.
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Speaker 3: But weren't they meant to have gone down already?
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Speaker 8: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 9: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 10: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 10: a year.
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Speaker 8: One hundred and seventy five dollars a year will get.
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Speaker 6: Power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 9: A year, two hundred and seventy five dollars for the
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Speaker 9: average house lower in twenty twenty five than today.
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Speaker 11: My word is my bond.
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Speaker 2: My word is my bond. My word is my bond.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're meant to believe our bills will be
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Speaker 4: one thousand dollars better off in a decade. Yet Bowen
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Speaker 4: is pushing ahead with steadfast determination.
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Speaker 9: We have to keep going. We now have fifty three
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Speaker 9: months to twenty thirty that is not long, that will
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Speaker 9: go very fast, and then we have to drive on
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Speaker 9: to twenty thirty five to twenty fifty next zero.
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Speaker 4: And to end his climate change armor getting tour, Bowen
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Speaker 4: gave us all a parting message.
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Speaker 9: Well, my friends, Australia will be there all the way
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Speaker 9: on this journey.
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Speaker 4: Great, a magic carpetrighte journey none of us signed up for,
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Speaker 4: and a journey sending us broken backwards every day. Let's
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Speaker 4: welcome Intonight's panel. Joining me is telegraphed journalist James Willis
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Speaker 4: and former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes.
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Speaker 3: Heart to both of you.
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Speaker 4: Good, thank you very much, thanks joining me on the show.
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Speaker 4: Look we've got to start, of course, another snub, another
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Speaker 4: non meeting today at the United Nations. We'd all been
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Speaker 4: very exciting, excited about it, James, but again Anthony Aarbernezi
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Speaker 4: can't secure a bilateral meeting.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's almost comical, and it's funny because if you
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Speaker 10: saw last week and you saw the power of Sir
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Speaker 10: Kis Starmer, who were led to believe as a dead
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Speaker 10: man walking in the UK, but had to sit down
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Speaker 10: the third sit down in this term of the Trump
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Speaker 10: administration alongside Donald Trump, and they announced the trade that
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Speaker 10: they announced and the nuclear energy that they're going to build,
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Speaker 10: and the big industry that is going to go both ways.
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Speaker 10: I think it was five hundred billion Australian and we
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Speaker 10: are There was a story we wrote for the Telegraph
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Speaker 10: on August one which said there was twenty countries that
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Speaker 10: had already beaten Trump to.
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Speaker 6: Albanezi, to the White House, and it was all these.
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Speaker 10: West African nations and it was El salved Or, Norway Island, Ukraine.
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Speaker 6: India, Jordan. And you're thinking, okay, this is going to
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Speaker 6: come soon.
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Speaker 10: And now the latest stories out tonight are that at
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Speaker 10: the most recent upcoming meeting there might be a handshake
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Speaker 10: if that, and we're hoping for a White House meeting soon.
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Speaker 10: It's very clear that mister Albinez he hasn't done much
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Speaker 10: to secure this.
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Speaker 6: I don't think he's picked up the phone.
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Speaker 10: I don't think he's done anything to say, hey, look, congratulations,
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Speaker 10: I'd love to come.
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Speaker 6: And see you. This is really really embarrassing for our country.
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Speaker 3: I agree.
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Speaker 4: Well, he's been busy with pandas in China. I mean,
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Speaker 4: that's been his ultimate priority. But this is just embarrassing.
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Speaker 3: Now, Holy come, it's extraordinary.
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Speaker 12: And I mean to hear the spin last week from
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Speaker 12: everyone you know that's trying to apologize the elbow apologize.
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Speaker 12: You know, they'll definitely be a biladder all on the sidelines.
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Speaker 12: There's no way that that won't be happening. Look, they're
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Speaker 12: going to be in New York. Probably won't be a
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Speaker 12: White House meeting, but they'll definitely have something on the sideline.
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Speaker 12: I mean, Matt, this away. My heart broke for you, sweetie,
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Speaker 12: having to run those lines.
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Speaker 3: I mean they.
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Speaker 6: Told or is that his own views?
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Speaker 12: I think that would have been the talking points that
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Speaker 12: came out, But honestly, how does they how do they
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Speaker 12: then spin it back? If there is a meeting, we'll
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Speaker 12: hang on in your own language, it's a good thing
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Speaker 12: we're not having a meeting because there's no problems here.
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Speaker 12: Now we're having a meeting, so what are the problems
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Speaker 12: we need to address? But when you think about what
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Speaker 12: Albanzi has done and all the buttons that he has pushed.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's almost think of.
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Speaker 12: It like a toddler that's tired and they know how
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Speaker 12: they're going to get you cranky. He's you know, Albinze's
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Speaker 12: pushed the China button, He's gone out on the climate
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Speaker 12: change button, the recognition of Palestine's button. It's like everything
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Speaker 12: that Trump has come out and said, We're not going
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Speaker 12: to be a part of this.
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Speaker 2: This is bad.
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Speaker 12: ALBINIZI has almost deliberately gone, We're up you. This is
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Speaker 12: exactly what I'm going.
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Speaker 4: To do exactly, and that is and also Kevin rud
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Speaker 4: Well the remains just.
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Speaker 6: Very quickly before we move on. I get the feeling
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Speaker 6: as well.
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Speaker 10: A prime minister has seen other world leaders go to
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Speaker 10: the White House and some of them have been embarrassed.
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Speaker 10: And Trump gives a lectury to the South African leader.
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Speaker 10: We saw what happened with Zelenski, and.
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Speaker 3: You get good point.
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Speaker 10: I don't think the Prime minister wants to front up
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Speaker 10: the sort of deal with that you might have.
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Speaker 12: You might have John Lyons in his press packs.
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Speaker 3: That'll go really really well. But look, you mentioned this.
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Speaker 3: I don't think it helped his cause.
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Speaker 4: Of course that while in New York trying to secure
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Speaker 4: this meeting Anthony Aberenezi today officially recognized Palestinian statehood.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 8: Throughout this conflict, Australia has supported calls for a cease
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Speaker 8: fire because every innocent life matters, every Israeli life, every
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Speaker 8: Palestinian life. Right now Gaza is in the grip of
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Speaker 8: a humanitarian catastrophe, and the Israeli government must accept its
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Speaker 8: share of responsibility. Such conduct risks putting a two state
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Speaker 8: solution beyond reach. That is where the current road leads.
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Speaker 8: We must choose a different path. We must break this
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Speaker 8: cycle of violence and build something better.
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Speaker 3: And we know how the US feels about that.
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Speaker 5: The President has been very clear he disagrees with this decision.
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Speaker 3: He spoke about that in the.
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Speaker 5: UK, standing right next to his friend Prime Minister Stormer,
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Speaker 5: and he feels this does not do anything to release
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Speaker 5: the hostages, which is the primary goal right now in Gaza,
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Speaker 5: does nothing to end this conflict and bring this war
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Speaker 5: to a cluse. And frankly, he believes it's a reward
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Speaker 5: to Hamas.
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Speaker 4: I mean, James, you can see why the US is angry,
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Speaker 4: and it's just so unbelievably premature to even be having
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Speaker 4: this discussion when there's still forty eight hostages.
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Speaker 10: Well, it's just I mean, it's people would say, oh,
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Speaker 10: it's symbolic and we've got to be doing something. But
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Speaker 10: I mean the thing is, if you actually sat down
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Speaker 10: and asked Anthony Abernezi or anyone that says we must
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Speaker 10: do this some genuine questions, he'd say, Okay, how is
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Speaker 10: this going to work from this point on? If we
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Speaker 10: actually recognize this, how is this going to be working?
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Speaker 10: Who's in charge? Okay, it's not Hamas, So Hamas are
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Speaker 10: going to give up and just move.
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Speaker 6: To the side.
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Speaker 10: So then it's the other organization, which, as we know,
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Speaker 10: have a long history of corruption and also have links
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Speaker 10: to Hamas over the time. You then also have people
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Speaker 10: that are Palestinians that want Israel wiped off the map
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Speaker 10: and want nothing.
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Speaker 6: They don't want Israel to exist from the river to
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Speaker 6: the sea.
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Speaker 10: So you know, you kind of think about this out
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Speaker 10: loud and go, Okay, we can say this, we can
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Speaker 10: recognize something, but how is this actually going to work?
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Speaker 6: And I think we can all have sympathy.
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Speaker 10: For what is going on in the Middle East in
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Speaker 10: general is suffering, but the practical execution of this just
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Speaker 10: doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 6: And I love the Prime minister to be able to
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Speaker 6: answer that.
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Speaker 4: And the other thing is this is not just a
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Speaker 4: betrayal wholly of Jewish Australians. I actually think it's a
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Speaker 4: betrayal of all of our values to go to the
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Speaker 4: UN and do this.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 12: And Albanezi yesterday was interviewed and asked about Netanyahu's comments
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Speaker 12: that and he said, Netta, who does not speak for
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Speaker 12: all israelis ub and easy, does not speak for all
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Speaker 12: Australians when he goes out and recognizes Palestine like this,
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Speaker 12: Palestine is not a state, it doesn't exist. Hamas runs Gaza,
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Speaker 12: the Palestinian Authority runs Ramala and the West Bank. There
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Speaker 12: have not been elections for twenty years. The last time
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Speaker 12: there were elections in Gaza, they elected Hamas. So what
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Speaker 12: pen Pen's ringing him up and saying, I don't think
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Speaker 12: so anymore.
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Speaker 3: But I'm in that speech.
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Speaker 12: Honestly, even Penny was nodding off. I'm stunning that they
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Speaker 12: put it.
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Speaker 3: On Spotify as a sleeper.
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Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know.
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Speaker 12: Maybe we can pay back some of the national.
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Speaker 13: Debt with Yeah, we won't make some money out of it,
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Speaker 13: with all timing of it as well to do it
18:34
Speaker 13: after he got on the plane and that it was
18:36
Speaker 13: sort of a broke brack late night on Sunday night,
18:38
Speaker 13: wasn't it Sunday night.
18:39
Speaker 12: Well, they haven't said a word about the terrorist attacks
18:42
Speaker 12: in Jerusalem that came out of the West Bank, actually
18:45
Speaker 12: came out of Ramala.
18:46
Speaker 3: Not a word, not a word, but all.
18:48
Speaker 4: But look again, it's just rewarding terrorism. I think it's
18:51
Speaker 4: an absolute disgrace and quite frankly, yet another embarrassment.
18:53
Speaker 3: Now we've got to talk about Liberal m P Andrew Hasty.
18:56
Speaker 4: He's been urged by his colleagues apparently to quote calm
18:58
Speaker 4: down after he posted videos to social media saying Australia
19:02
Speaker 4: should make stuff again and blamed both parties for the
19:05
Speaker 4: decline of our manufacturing industry. One Liberal MP told The
19:08
Speaker 4: Australian quote, I'm not sure what Andrew Hasty is doing
19:11
Speaker 4: or up to, but the events of last week with
19:13
Speaker 4: the National Climate Risk Assessment and twenty thirty five targets,
19:16
Speaker 4: all of which have no cost provided the government really
19:20
Speaker 4: has given us some stuff to try to jump on.
19:22
Speaker 3: That's where we should be focused right now. Well, holy, you.
19:25
Speaker 4: Know, Andrew Hasty's come out today saying well, your nameless
19:29
Speaker 4: cowards front, up front, up call, say your name if you're.
19:33
Speaker 3: Going to breathe the press.
19:34
Speaker 4: And you know what, I agree, I completely agree they're
19:38
Speaker 4: at a background.
19:38
Speaker 6: Who are they are?
19:40
Speaker 12: Well, I wouldn't know anymore, dog, But you know I
19:43
Speaker 12: always came on here and put my name to it
19:45
Speaker 12: when I said something can for Andrew.
19:47
Speaker 3: Look, Andrew may very well have.
19:49
Speaker 12: Always put his name to something, but let me tell
19:51
Speaker 12: he is a lot of his mates who don't put
19:54
Speaker 12: their names to things. And I know a couple of
19:56
Speaker 12: his mates who were calling before I was on Q
19:59
Speaker 12: and A trying to get some stuff dumped on me
20:01
Speaker 12: live on air, So they weren't prepared to put their
20:04
Speaker 12: names up either. So that's a bit of a bit
20:07
Speaker 12: of a cop out.
20:07
Speaker 2: And look, it's as old as time.
20:10
Speaker 3: To say that what he said, you know what, I
20:12
Speaker 3: don't know what he's up to.
20:14
Speaker 12: He's the shadow Home Affairs Minister. When James Patterson had
20:17
Speaker 12: that role, James Patterson was all over the end ZYQ
20:20
Speaker 12: detainee story and what was happening with them and what
20:23
Speaker 12: that's up to. He was also all over the cybersecurity
20:26
Speaker 12: stuff as well as looking at what was occurring between
20:29
Speaker 12: the departments within the home of first portfolio. James Patterson
20:32
Speaker 12: was very very good when it came to the renewables
20:35
Speaker 12: industry and the interconnectors on solar panels coming straight out
20:39
Speaker 12: of China and the sovereign.
20:40
Speaker 3: Risk that this caused us.
20:42
Speaker 12: If you want to prove yourself to be a future leader,
20:45
Speaker 12: how you prove it in the party room is showing
20:48
Speaker 12: your colleagues you're competent at your job.
20:50
Speaker 3: Now you don't think you don't figure that out.
20:54
Speaker 12: Person who's been in the party room, he needs to
20:58
Speaker 12: show he's a good shadow Home affairs.
21:00
Speaker 10: How did it go the last time? Look at the
21:01
Speaker 10: primary vote. What we're seeing at the moment is the
21:04
Speaker 10: biggest problem with the Liberal Party, and that is that
21:06
Speaker 10: people are obsessed with control. They couldn't control just centerprice.
21:10
Speaker 10: So she was moved to the back bench. Hasty has
21:13
Speaker 10: cut through. Hasty has leadership ambitions.
21:15
Speaker 3: I think.
21:17
Speaker 12: In the national sovereignty can we have well moment?
21:20
Speaker 10: Yeah, but hang on, we're talking the Liberal Party mays
21:23
Speaker 10: we'll be an administration at the moment.
21:26
Speaker 12: Later the party members and the MP's and senators. And
21:30
Speaker 12: if they don't think they're doing their own job and
21:33
Speaker 12: they're too busy trying to do everybody else's job. That's
21:36
Speaker 12: probably not going to endear them. And I'm just telling
21:39
Speaker 12: you how it work here.
21:40
Speaker 10: I think the people that actually have cut through with
21:42
Speaker 10: the public, just Iner Price and Andrew Hasty are these
21:45
Speaker 10: that liberals are jealous of, and there's not many left
21:48
Speaker 10: in the party room to be condemning them as it is.
21:50
Speaker 12: If you want to be and there more of them,
21:52
Speaker 12: they'd be out there more than should be out there.
21:54
Speaker 12: When I was in there, I was here, I was
21:56
Speaker 12: at ABCA, I write on different networks all the time.
21:59
Speaker 4: But where Why shouldn't they put their name to it
22:01
Speaker 4: if you're going to bag out?
22:02
Speaker 3: But where are they doing anything?
22:03
Speaker 12: If you're a shadow minister, where are you talking about anything,
22:06
Speaker 12: whether you're the shadow minister for energy, through industry, for communications,
22:11
Speaker 12: for health, for ndyis where are they all?
22:13
Speaker 3: I have to agree with you, James.
22:15
Speaker 4: I think that Andrew Hasty and just In Anaeper Price
22:17
Speaker 4: are cutting through right now. And I think that that
22:20
Speaker 4: Australians who are wanting some sort of conservative politics are
22:24
Speaker 4: looking to these two well.
22:25
Speaker 12: But I think look, we may all have to agree
22:29
Speaker 12: to disagree here tonight, but the reality is Susan has
22:32
Speaker 12: been undermined since the day she took over the leadership,
22:35
Speaker 12: and whether it's real or perceived, And the Daily Telegraph
22:39
Speaker 12: and others love to say the Liberal Party's got a
22:42
Speaker 12: problem with women, whether it's real or perceived, the undermining
22:45
Speaker 12: of her without her band given any chance whatsoever.
22:48
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what this is.
22:49
Speaker 4: And you will, Andrew, we've got to.
22:54
Speaker 10: Go about we've got to go talk about clear Chan,
22:57
Speaker 10: let's talk about Sarah Henderson. Well I got to imagine
23:00
Speaker 10: actually point we've.
23:05
Speaker 3: Got to go. But I'm going to make the last point.
23:06
Speaker 4: You can't have a women problem when you can't even
23:08
Speaker 4: define what a woman is. Well, that is right, that's
23:10
Speaker 4: and this is exactly to the point. If you can't
23:12
Speaker 4: make these distinct definitions, you've got to be.
23:15
Speaker 3: A problem right now by finding a woman.
23:17
Speaker 4: I think, well, the Liberal Party when if you come
23:19
Speaker 4: out and said when the Liberal Party come out and
23:21
Speaker 4: said that exactly what anyone.
23:23
Speaker 3: In the Liberal Party that's ever had a problem.
23:24
Speaker 12: And every time, Paulling, we'll make it most make it.
23:28
Speaker 3: There's only two gender anyway, Look, we've got to go.
23:30
Speaker 3: I'd like actually, James Holy Hughes, I'd love to keep
23:36
Speaker 3: going we've got to go exactly. Sorry, it was quite fun,
23:40
Speaker 3: wasn't it.
23:40
Speaker 4: Now look, let's go back to Albow's big snub by
23:43
Speaker 4: the US President at the UN General Assembly. Joining me
23:45
Speaker 4: is National's Deputy leader, Kevin Hogan. Kevin, good to see you,
23:48
Speaker 4: Thanks for joining me. Look, this is a second time,
23:50
Speaker 4: of course the PM is being rejected by Donald Trump.
23:53
Speaker 3: What does this mean in your view in terms of tariffs.
23:56
Speaker 4: Because this would have been an opportunity for the PM
23:58
Speaker 4: to plead our pay so he's coming back empty handed again.
24:03
Speaker 14: Now look, the nika's obviously very embarrassing for him. I
24:06
Speaker 14: mean he's had a few embarrassments on the foreign stage
24:08
Speaker 14: in the last few weeks with Vanawadu and Papua New
24:11
Speaker 14: Guinea as well, and now we can't get a meeting
24:13
Speaker 14: with the US president. Over thirty leaders across the world
24:16
Speaker 14: have had a meeting with the US President. ALBERTIZI can't
24:18
Speaker 14: seem to be able to get one. As you said,
24:21
Speaker 14: tariff's a really important issue for us. For al Emam
24:24
Speaker 14: steel workers, they have a fifty percent tariff on Ala
24:27
Speaker 14: meum and steel. In Australia, the UK Prime Minister went
24:29
Speaker 14: over there, met Trump and had his tariff flow to
24:32
Speaker 14: twenty five percent, So that's what we want to see.
24:34
Speaker 6: It's embarrassing.
24:35
Speaker 14: But then I haven't brought him up for a while,
24:37
Speaker 14: but I think i'd be starting if I was the
24:39
Speaker 14: Prime minister to look at Australia's ambassador to the US
24:44
Speaker 14: in Kevin Rudd. I mean those type that role is
24:46
Speaker 14: exceptionally important. Look at the role Joe Hockey did when
24:49
Speaker 14: he was there was very important. He had good relationships
24:52
Speaker 14: with the US administration, really helped facilitate the relationships. I
24:56
Speaker 14: think obviously Kevin Rudd's job needs to be looked at now.
25:00
Speaker 14: He obviously has history and has made remarks about the
25:03
Speaker 14: US President which are unfortunate. We need our Prime minister
25:07
Speaker 14: to have a physical meeting with the president on national
25:10
Speaker 14: security reasons, for economic reasons. I think Rudd's positions seriously
25:13
Speaker 14: has to be looked at as well.
25:14
Speaker 15: As part of this.
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Speaker 3: I agree.
25:16
Speaker 4: I really think that Kevin RhD is the elephant in
25:18
Speaker 4: the room.
25:19
Speaker 3: But more importantly, you know, how do we get past
25:21
Speaker 3: this now? This is our number one.
25:23
Speaker 4: Ally, how do we get this relationship back on track
25:27
Speaker 4: and pretty quickly?
25:29
Speaker 14: Well, that's why I think we need to look at
25:31
Speaker 14: our ambassador's role in the US now because look, I,
25:34
Speaker 14: as an opposition MP and the opposition shutter Cabinet member,
25:38
Speaker 14: want the Labor Prime Minister of Australia to have a
25:40
Speaker 14: good relationship with the US President and not agree on everything.
25:43
Speaker 6: We don't aground tariffs. We're going to have to.
25:45
Speaker 14: We will disagree on things, but I want him to
25:47
Speaker 14: have a physical relationship with him in the sense of
25:49
Speaker 14: their meeting and have a rapport. I would now be
25:52
Speaker 14: calling you to question the Australis ambassador of the US.
25:55
Speaker 14: I think he needs to change Kevin Runt to someone
25:57
Speaker 14: else who can develop a better relationship with the US
26:00
Speaker 14: administration to help facilitate that meeting.
26:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I completely agree with you.
26:04
Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier.
26:05
Speaker 4: Chris Bowen has taken his climate change Armageddon tour to
26:08
Speaker 4: the United Nations, claiming that Australia is leading the way
26:11
Speaker 4: in climate action.
26:12
Speaker 3: Here's a bit of what he said.
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Speaker 9: Well that yes, there are challenges and headwinds and delays,
26:18
Speaker 9: but there are remarkable opportunities. Not just the jobs that
26:21
Speaker 9: can be created in large scale wind and large skull solar,
26:25
Speaker 9: as important as that is, but each and every day
26:28
Speaker 9: a revolution being undertaken in our suburbs and our regions.
26:32
Speaker 4: So Kevin, he's pitched this twenty thirty five emission's reduction
26:35
Speaker 4: target to the world, even though it's uncosted and he
26:38
Speaker 4: still can't say what it will do for Australian's power bills.
26:43
Speaker 14: Well, he was very very brave over there in the
26:46
Speaker 14: sense of, you know, we now have one of the
26:48
Speaker 14: highest emission reduction targets in the world for twenty thirty
26:51
Speaker 14: five with their announcement last week by the government. What
26:54
Speaker 14: he didn't say in that speech, Danika, is the fact
26:57
Speaker 14: that he's having to give bailouts nearly or the government's
26:59
Speaker 14: bailout still every week to major companies and smelters in
27:02
Speaker 14: this country that are going broke and can't afford to
27:05
Speaker 14: pay their energy bill. He didn't in that speech say
27:07
Speaker 14: how much electricity prices have gone up in the last
27:10
Speaker 14: three and a half years under his government. He had
27:12
Speaker 14: no mention of that and didn't say what was going
27:15
Speaker 14: to happen with power prices and energy prices given these
27:17
Speaker 14: emission reduction to targets. What he is doing is exceptionally dangerous.
27:21
Speaker 14: The renewables only approach the countries he's preaching to By
27:24
Speaker 14: the way, most of them have nuclear as part of
27:26
Speaker 14: their emission reductions.
27:28
Speaker 6: We are't.
27:29
Speaker 14: So our prices are going up and emissions are flat
27:31
Speaker 14: lighting here anyway, and the reliability the grid is going down?
27:36
Speaker 6: Is this we know we're heading.
27:38
Speaker 14: For a blackout bar and is making us head to
27:40
Speaker 14: really dangerous times with our energy system?
27:42
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he keeps saying it it's a remarkable opportunity. Well,
27:45
Speaker 4: it's not remarkable when our power bills are going in
27:47
Speaker 4: the opposite direction.
27:49
Speaker 3: Now, I want to ask you about this.
27:50
Speaker 4: Leaked coalition talking points obtained today by Sky News revealed
27:53
Speaker 4: that a phone call with opposition leader Susan Lee and
27:56
Speaker 4: Israel's Foreign affairs minister came straight from the Netanyahu government,
28:00
Speaker 4: allowing Albanesi's formal Palestinian recognition. Look, Kevin, I think it's
28:04
Speaker 4: good that she spoke to him, anyway, I think, regardless
28:06
Speaker 4: of the timing, I think it's an important conversation. But
28:09
Speaker 4: what do you make of that request?
28:12
Speaker 14: Well, look, I'm well, firstly on the issue, Deneka, I'm
28:16
Speaker 14: very happy too that Susan rang net Nyahu and spoke
28:19
Speaker 14: to the Israeli government. We oppose the position of what Alberanesi,
28:24
Speaker 14: the promiser. Alberanzi has said at the u N today, well,
28:27
Speaker 14: this is supporting that Hermas terrorists were celebrating in the
28:30
Speaker 14: streets this week because of what our prime minister has done.
28:34
Speaker 14: They feel their attack in October the seventh, a couple
28:36
Speaker 14: of years ago, has been validated because they have got
28:39
Speaker 14: what they want. As you know, you were talking earlier,
28:41
Speaker 14: who are they going to recognize when they recognize the state?
28:44
Speaker 14: Who's the leader the leader of a mask? What are
28:47
Speaker 14: the boundaries? You know, when you recognize the state, you
28:49
Speaker 14: have to have all these preconditions set. Now, the government
28:53
Speaker 14: when they announced this, when Penny Wong and Alberizi announces,
28:56
Speaker 14: they said a whole lot of preconditions would need to
28:58
Speaker 14: be set for this as part of this recD cognition.
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Speaker 6: None of them have. So what does that do? Does
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Speaker 6: that change it?
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Speaker 14: No?
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Speaker 4: No, well exactly, I mean, there's nothing to recognize. It's
29:08
Speaker 4: just an embarrassment really on the world stage. Kevin Hogan,
29:12
Speaker 4: good to catch up with you again. Thank you very
29:13
Speaker 4: much for joining me on the show this evening. We'll
29:15
Speaker 4: stay with us after the break. Victoria's former chief health
29:18
Speaker 4: officer Admidst some COVID directives were probably never necessary. I mean,
29:22
Speaker 4: this is exactly why we need a COVID Royal Commission.
29:24
Speaker 4: Former Labour staff at Cameron Milner will join me soon.
29:27
Speaker 4: Plus the debate around migration continues. We'll speak to Judo
29:31
Speaker 4: Banks chief economist Barn Hogan.
29:37
Speaker 3: Welcome back. Well, we've been talking a.
29:38
Speaker 4: Lot about migration in recent weeks and it was particularly
29:41
Speaker 4: highlighted by the Marchers for Australia where every day as
29:44
Speaker 4: Is expressed their concerns about mass migration. Now, well, the
29:47
Speaker 4: one point one million migrants have come into this country
29:50
Speaker 4: since Labor was elected, and Big Australia keeps getting bigger.
29:55
Speaker 4: March this year saw massive immigration numbers. Net overseas migration
29:59
Speaker 4: was one hundred and ten thousand, well above recent averages.
30:04
Speaker 4: The pressure on infrastructure and housing is being felt. Today
30:07
Speaker 4: we found out that property prices have risen faster than
30:10
Speaker 4: rents over the past sixteen years, especially in locations where
30:14
Speaker 4: not enough new homes have been supplied to the market,
30:17
Speaker 4: and Labor has already been warned it won't even come
30:19
Speaker 4: close to reaching its housing targets. So where we're going
30:22
Speaker 4: to put all these people joining me now to discuss.
30:24
Speaker 4: This is Judo Banks chief economist Warren Hogan.
30:27
Speaker 3: Warren, good to catch up. Thank you for joining me.
30:29
Speaker 3: We've got the official population data.
30:31
Speaker 4: Last week and I think we've got that chart now.
30:34
Speaker 4: Population growth is at one point six percent after a
30:38
Speaker 4: very big surge.
30:39
Speaker 3: Why is this? Take us through it?
30:42
Speaker 15: Yeah, good evening, Denika. Look, we do have the latest
30:45
Speaker 15: official statistics and they show that the annuator growth at
30:49
Speaker 15: one point six is looking like it's back to normal
30:53
Speaker 15: that is the average of the last twenty odd years.
30:55
Speaker 15: But the way we've got here, of course, is what
30:59
Speaker 15: we did out of the pandemic when we shut the
31:01
Speaker 15: borders and our population ended up being about six hundred
31:05
Speaker 15: thousand less than otherwise because we didn't have any migration
31:09
Speaker 15: for a couple of years. The coalition decided just to
31:12
Speaker 15: return to pre pandemic normal immigration numbers, that is about
31:17
Speaker 15: two hundred and thirty five a year, But when they
31:20
Speaker 15: lost government and the Labor Party got in, they decided
31:23
Speaker 15: to play catch up. That is, not just to go
31:26
Speaker 15: back to normal immigration numbers, but to catch up the
31:30
Speaker 15: lost six hundred thousand, hence the surge, and hence the
31:34
Speaker 15: volatility we've seen in our population. Growth in the last
31:37
Speaker 15: four years. Big question now is, though the immigration rates
31:42
Speaker 15: and the population growth seems to be back to a
31:45
Speaker 15: normal level, what's next. And we know that the government
31:49
Speaker 15: is projecting immigration of something like what we used to
31:53
Speaker 15: see around two hundred and fifty thousand a year, and
31:56
Speaker 15: of course the RBA's latest update gives us population growth
32:00
Speaker 15: going from the current one to six down to about
32:01
Speaker 15: one three over the next two years. But that's all
32:06
Speaker 15: remains to be seen given that strong number in March.
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Speaker 4: Well, look, let's talk about this because what our labour's
32:13
Speaker 4: plans for immigration from here? Is this a new normal?
32:16
Speaker 4: You said it's at one point six percent? What are
32:19
Speaker 4: their current projections.
32:21
Speaker 15: We've got immigration, which over the past year was up
32:25
Speaker 15: around three hundred and ten three hundred and fifteen thousand,
32:30
Speaker 15: expected to come down a little bit, but the growth
32:34
Speaker 15: rate is going to slow and the overall population growth
32:39
Speaker 15: is going to start to come down towards about one
32:41
Speaker 15: point three percent. So this idea that we've got through,
32:45
Speaker 15: this period of catch up is over and now we
32:49
Speaker 15: should expect to see more moderate immigration numbers and population
32:52
Speaker 15: growth over the next few years. The problem is the
32:55
Speaker 15: March courter numbers. They actually despite the annual rate continuing
33:00
Speaker 15: for they are actually quite high and they are quite strong,
33:04
Speaker 15: and they're pointing to a pickup in population growth and
33:08
Speaker 15: immigration numbers over the course of this year. So this
33:12
Speaker 15: really raises the question about how much control does our
33:16
Speaker 15: government actually have on immigration numbers as opposed to the
33:20
Speaker 15: kind of immigration programs and the different visa types that
33:23
Speaker 15: we have out there.
33:25
Speaker 3: Well, what would be the answer to that.
33:27
Speaker 4: Does labor actually control the numbers because it has picked
33:30
Speaker 4: up again, as I mentioned in my introduction in the
33:33
Speaker 4: March quarter, one hundred and ten thousand people.
33:36
Speaker 15: Yeah, well, I think the system is really and I
33:39
Speaker 15: think the Treasurer a few years ago said this is
33:41
Speaker 15: a demand driven system. So the answer is no, they
33:43
Speaker 15: don't actually control numbers. They don't have targets via each
33:48
Speaker 15: program as such. And of course Australia, it is pretty
33:52
Speaker 15: clear from that chart, is an attractive place to come to.
33:57
Speaker 15: And so we've got these challenges that high population growth,
34:01
Speaker 15: which of course is in this country driven by immigration,
34:05
Speaker 15: is creating for everyday Australians through housing shortages, through the
34:09
Speaker 15: shortage of broader infrastructure, congestion, the pressure on our health system,
34:14
Speaker 15: and of course in my view, this surge has been
34:17
Speaker 15: misguided because it's highlighted just how much pressure is brought
34:22
Speaker 15: to bear, but risks the broader community support for our
34:27
Speaker 15: immigration culture and the overall strategy of immigration, which has
34:31
Speaker 15: been the foundation for this country for the last fifty
34:34
Speaker 15: years and I think is the important part of our future.
34:37
Speaker 4: Well look, I mean, look, I agree, but I think
34:39
Speaker 4: half the battle right now is is that there is
34:42
Speaker 4: such an unwillingness to even have a debate over immigration
34:45
Speaker 4: because you know it's racist, people say xenophobic.
34:48
Speaker 3: Well it's not.
34:48
Speaker 4: We have to have these conversations because, as we've just
34:51
Speaker 4: gone through the data here is so important. Labour can't
34:54
Speaker 4: even reach its housing targets as it is, Infrastructure is
34:57
Speaker 4: under pressure, and this is why we need to have
34:58
Speaker 4: these conversations. But War, I want to ask you, what
35:01
Speaker 4: are the economic implications now of all of this.
35:06
Speaker 15: Yeah, and look, it is critical because there's good and
35:09
Speaker 15: there's bad. And of course the new economy that we
35:14
Speaker 15: are now in after the pandemic is one characterized by
35:19
Speaker 15: this retirement of the baby boom generation and a persistence
35:23
Speaker 15: of labor shortages. Now, of course that makes immigration look
35:28
Speaker 15: like an obvious sort of policy to try and deal
35:31
Speaker 15: with that issue. But of course you may bring people
35:34
Speaker 15: in to fill jobs that are needed to be done,
35:37
Speaker 15: but then they bring demand with them and they need
35:40
Speaker 15: a house, and they need health systems and road systems,
35:44
Speaker 15: and of course that doesn't fix the problem in the
35:47
Speaker 15: domestic economy. So we are going to see I think
35:51
Speaker 15: increasing economic pressure because we're in a capacity constrained economy.
35:57
Speaker 15: That is, we don't have enough structure, we don't have
36:01
Speaker 15: enough hospitals, we don't have enough houses. That it turns
36:05
Speaker 15: into a social and then political problem because it affects
36:09
Speaker 15: the well being in the lives of everyday Australian. So
36:12
Speaker 15: my advice is we really need a period of sub
36:15
Speaker 15: trend or lower immigration to give our economy a chance
36:20
Speaker 15: to catch up with these population numbers. Because it sounds
36:24
Speaker 15: good that we caught up the population we lost in
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Speaker 15: the pandemic, but did we keep up with the infrastructure.
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Speaker 15: And I'd say the answer to that is probably not
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Speaker 15: particularly in relation to how you.
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Speaker 4: No, And I mean we're all feeling it out there
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Speaker 4: every day Aussies. Everyone knows it's getting tighter and harder
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Speaker 4: out there. Warren Hogan, thank you very much for joining
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Speaker 4: me on the show this evening, really appreciate it. Coming
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Speaker 4: up after the break, Reform UK enjoys the fruits of
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Speaker 4: its meteoric rise to the top of the nation's opinion polls,
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Speaker 4: as more Conservatives to defect to join the growing party.
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Speaker 3: We'll speak to one of them next.
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Speaker 4: Plus how worried would Labor really be about Donald Trump's
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Speaker 4: latest snub of Anthony Arbanezi. Former Labor staffer Cameron Milner
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Speaker 4: will give us the inside scoop next.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's been a fortnight of foreign policy fails by
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Speaker 4: the Prime Minister, hot off the back of fumbling deals
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Speaker 4: with both of Anuwatu and Popa New Guinea back to back,
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Speaker 4: and now, of course announcing in front of the UN
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Speaker 4: that Australia recognizes a Palestinian state. Joining me now to
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Speaker 4: unpack this and more is GOXO Strategies director Cameron Milner.
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Speaker 3: Karen, good to see you.
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Speaker 4: You've written a scathing assessment of this Palestinian recognition in
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Speaker 4: The Nightly this week. You said Australia's foreign policy compass
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Speaker 4: is currently somewhere in the Bermuda triangle, exactly where you'd
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Speaker 4: expect it to be, with Labour's hard left in control.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you're absolutely spot on, Cameron. Is it as
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Speaker 3: bad as it can get right now?
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Speaker 1: Well, no, Dnika, I think it could get a lot worse.
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Speaker 1: But it's very, very bad where he is right now.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is a Prime minister who has gone
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Speaker 1: to the UN and compared the tragic circumstances of the
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Speaker 1: Gazans to the Holocaust. There is no comparison, absolutely no comparison.
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Speaker 1: It was disgusting to see it Australian Prime minister even
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Speaker 1: draw that parallel. But they're petty Wong's words, their defects words,
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Speaker 1: they're the hard left words. They want to denigrate the
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Speaker 1: Holocaust for the suffering of the gardens. And the gardens
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Speaker 1: have been suffering because of Hamas, not the israelis Hamas
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Speaker 1: for years. So no, that was awful. But I think
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Speaker 1: you know, at the heart of this is this delusion
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Speaker 1: that somehow the UN is going to do something to
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Speaker 1: stop you know, the hostage is not being freed Hamas,
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Speaker 1: it not being in control, and that's delusional, as the
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Speaker 1: promises want to say. You know, he's de Lulu on
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Speaker 1: l the Palestine, because there is no Selulu to Hamas.
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Speaker 1: Staying in control.
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Speaker 4: Oh that line Delulu with no salula, I gotta say
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Speaker 4: that session shivers up my spine.
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Speaker 6: Cam.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, you're absolutely spot on.
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Speaker 4: But look, I want to ask you how worried would
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Speaker 4: Labour really be now about Donald Trump's latest snub of
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Speaker 4: Anthony Albernezi. Matt Fisselwaite was desperately sweeping in under the rug.
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Speaker 3: Today saying, oh, it's a good thing.
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Speaker 4: But you know the background of would there be grumblings
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Speaker 4: internally about this?
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Speaker 1: Well no, unfortunately they'll be chicking the champagne glasses that
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Speaker 1: they think this is a great domestic play strategy here.
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Speaker 1: I mean this is all through the prism of Labour
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Speaker 1: winning marginal seats where there's Muslim votes to be one
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Speaker 1: and they think that there's inner city left votes to
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Speaker 1: be one. By being seen as anti Trump, I mean know,
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Speaker 1: Albot's risking our relationship with the US because he mistakes
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Speaker 1: the fact that Trump is the US president and the
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Speaker 1: US president for Australia is one of the most vital
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Speaker 1: roles in the world. So even if you disagree with
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, you've got to agree that the President of
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Speaker 1: the United States is someone we want to be very
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Speaker 1: close to and historically Australia has been so Albo is
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Speaker 1: risking risking greatly our relationship with our greatest ally.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's an embarrassment on the world stage.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 3: Look.
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Speaker 4: Victoria's former health chief Brett Sutton has today admitted that
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Speaker 4: several COVID nineteen directives were quote probably never necessary. That
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Speaker 4: includes being told not to shake hands with people and
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Speaker 4: wiping surfaces and groceries down with disinfectant.
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Speaker 3: Gee, Cameron, I mean, who would have thought?
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Speaker 4: Is this not another reason why we need a COVID
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Speaker 4: royal commission?
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Speaker 1: Danica? I could agree more and I think you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: There absolutely needs to be a royal commission to COVID.
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Speaker 1: And Brett Sutton, who has been an architect of the
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Speaker 1: pain and suffering, pain and suffering of Victorians, has belled
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Speaker 1: the cat, has finally confessed to the human rights abuses
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Speaker 1: that he was part of in Victoria by saying it
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Speaker 1: probably wasn't necessary. He also said in that same interview,
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Speaker 1: in that same blog, there was some of the measures
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Speaker 1: where his best guess, my goodness, where was the science, Daneker? No,
40:35
Speaker 1: that's why we need a royal commission and if these
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Speaker 1: labor premiers have got nothing to hide, they'll have nothing
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Speaker 1: to fear. And that's the reason why we need a
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Speaker 1: Royal Commission to get to the very bottom of the
40:44
Speaker 1: abuses the government perpetrated on their own citizens. And that's
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Speaker 1: what the COVID lockdowns in many parts were. Sure, some
40:51
Speaker 1: people had health situations and we had to look after
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Speaker 1: the elderly, but so many other things were done to
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Speaker 1: people in terms of restrictions, movement, you know, doing work,
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Speaker 1: et cetera, cetera. But especially in Victoria where Brett Sutton
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Speaker 1: and Dan Andrews were the co architects of so much tyranny.
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Speaker 4: Oh, look, absolutely, and it wasn't based on science, you know,
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Speaker 4: we know that it was all based on politics. And
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Speaker 4: when you think back to the days where we had
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Speaker 4: to wear a mask just to go outside in the
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Speaker 4: fresh air, look, it baffles me that that's how we
41:19
Speaker 4: were forced to live for so long. Let's go to
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Speaker 4: the US now late night talk show hosts Jimmy Kimmel,
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Speaker 4: who was suspended indefinitely following a controversial appraisal of Charlie
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Speaker 4: Kirk's death, will return live to air this week.
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Speaker 3: This is a reminder of what he said.
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Speaker 16: We had some new lows over the weekend, with the
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Speaker 16: Maga gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered
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Speaker 16: Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and
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Speaker 16: everything they can to score political points from it.
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Speaker 3: American network ABC has said in a statement, we have.
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Speaker 4: Spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and
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Speaker 4: after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the
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Speaker 4: show on Tuesday. Look, Cameron, I mean I thought his
41:58
Speaker 4: comments were absolutely disgraceful. Apparently he wasn't doing well in
42:02
Speaker 4: the ratings as it is. Has the ABC done the
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Speaker 4: right thing to bring him back?
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Speaker 6: Do you think?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 1: I think, Danika, they were terribly poor taste, awful poor taste,
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Speaker 1: especially only days after Charlie Kirk's assassination. But look, in
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Speaker 1: the end, we've got a treasure free speech. And I
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Speaker 1: know that quote, which is, you know, I might disagree
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Speaker 1: with everything you've said, but I'll defend to my death
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Speaker 1: you're right to say it. And that's a core out
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Speaker 1: of a society. We've got to defend free speech, and
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Speaker 1: poorly spoken words by Jimmy Kimball shouldn't be the price
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Speaker 1: of free speech.
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Speaker 16: In my view.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Look, look, I don't doubt that either.
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Speaker 4: I think that free speech we have to protect it
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Speaker 4: at all costs, especially right now in the West, in
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Speaker 4: particular around the world, free speech our rights I've certainly
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Speaker 4: been taken away.
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Speaker 3: I just think that.
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Speaker 4: Jimmy Kimble's comments were a disgrace, and we've seen it
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Speaker 4: time and time.
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Speaker 3: Again by US talk show hosts. I just think they're
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Speaker 3: all woke.
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Speaker 4: I think that that's part of the problem that we're facing.
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Speaker 3: Cavarin Milner, nice to catch up with you. Thank you
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Speaker 3: so much for joining me on the show this evening.
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Speaker 3: Really appreciate it. Well, do stay with us.
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Speaker 4: Coming up after the break, Reform UK announces a massive
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Speaker 4: policy plan to overhaul.
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Speaker 3: The migration system.
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Speaker 4: I'll catch up with newly minted Reform UK counselor Layla
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Speaker 4: Cunningham and also on her decision to defect the party.
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Speaker 4: That's next, welcome back well. Reform UK leader Nigel Farage
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Speaker 4: has announced plans to overhaul Britain's immigration system, including ending
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Speaker 4: the right to permanent residency after five years.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 3: Under these new proposed rules.
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Speaker 4: Migrants would need to reside in the UK for seven years,
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Speaker 4: meet higher salary and English language requirements and face tighter
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Speaker 4: restrictions on family reunification. Nigel Farage says the changes would
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Speaker 4: also prevent non citizens from accessing welfare.
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Speaker 11: Under a reform government, welfare will be for UK citizens only,
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Speaker 11: it will not be for foreign born nationals. Indeed, will
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Speaker 11: become like most normal countries in the world.
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Speaker 4: And Johnny me Now is Reform Westminster City Councilor for
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Speaker 4: Lancaster Gate Laila Cunningham, Laila, thank you so much for
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Speaker 4: joining us on the show this evening.
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Speaker 3: Look, this is a huge.
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Speaker 4: Announcement by Nigel Farage.
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Speaker 3: Take us through what.
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Speaker 4: The situation is over there when it comes to the
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Speaker 4: immigration system and especially when it comes to accessing welfare.
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Speaker 17: Well, I think so voters have consistently and successively voted
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Speaker 17: for less immigration into the country and the Conservatives who
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Speaker 17: were the previous government until last year, always promised to
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Speaker 17: bring it down to the tens of thousands, and actually
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Speaker 17: in the worst.
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Speaker 2: Year that they were in government a few years back.
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Speaker 17: It reached net migration reached a million, and that was
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Speaker 17: specifically under Boris Johnson, what we called it the Boris Wave.
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Speaker 17: He brought in three point eight million new long term
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Speaker 17: migrants to Britain, a ninety six percent were non you,
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Speaker 17: and that's relevant because people had just voted for Brexits,
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Speaker 17: for controlled migration and less migration into the country.
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Speaker 2: Mostly we're low skilled to Danika. And so right now we.
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Speaker 17: Have a situation where eight hundred thousand of those are
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Speaker 17: on track to gain something called indefinite leave to remain
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Speaker 17: by twenty thirty and that gives them, every one of
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Speaker 17: them full access to the welfare system for life. Half
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Speaker 17: will never work, many can bring untold dependents, and just
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Speaker 17: those eight hundred thousand are going to cost the country
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Speaker 17: about two hundred and thirty four billion. And I don't
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Speaker 17: know what it's like in Australia, but here all we
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Speaker 17: hear about is there's.
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Speaker 2: Not enough money. Taxes are going up.
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Speaker 17: People are working harder and getting a lot less for
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Speaker 17: their money and then hearing that they're going to be
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Speaker 17: taxed even more.
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Speaker 2: So the economic model's not broken.
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Speaker 17: I mean, just to put that in perspective, two hundred
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Speaker 17: and thirty four billion, that's four times the defense budget
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Speaker 17: and twelve times the police budget. And our police has
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Speaker 17: been cut to practically zero. So something has to be done.
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Speaker 17: And I mean the principle is simple. You earn your
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Speaker 17: rights here, you don't arrive and just claim them.
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Speaker 3: Look, I absolutely agree.
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Speaker 4: I was just about to say, I mean it is
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Speaker 4: what you hear, those sorts of figures. You can say
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Speaker 4: why it's totally unsustainable and look, it's the same in Australia.
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Speaker 4: We've got so many similar problems. I've going to sign
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Speaker 4: Nigel Foragers. He's bank his whole political career on this
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Speaker 4: very issue.
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Speaker 3: How has this.
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Speaker 4: Announcement been received over there? Because it is quite a
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Speaker 4: bold plan.
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Speaker 17: You think it's bold, but when you really come down
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Speaker 17: to it, it makes sense. You know, younger, poor or
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Speaker 17: larger families are coming in and tax players are fitting
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Speaker 17: the bill. British tax players don't owe a foreigner anything,
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Speaker 17: yet they're paying for them.
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Speaker 2: We have a benefit here called.
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Speaker 17: Universal Credit that's in and out of work benefit, and
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Speaker 17: one in six of those are foreign nationals. That's nine
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Speaker 17: billion a year going to people who don't contribute enough
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Speaker 17: to pay it back.
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Speaker 2: And recent migrants do earn significantly less than British workers.
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Speaker 2: And we're not talking.
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Speaker 17: About deporting anyone, which people have twisted it. We're talking
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Speaker 17: about if you've been here longer than seven years. So
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Speaker 17: some people have been on this indefinitely to decades. Then
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Speaker 17: show your commitment to the country and apply for citizenship.
47:05
Speaker 17: And if you're contributing, you speak English and you don't
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Speaker 17: have a criminal record, you can get a five year
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Speaker 17: renewable visa. It's just putting a system in place where
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Speaker 17: we knew who's coming into the country is a net benefit.
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Speaker 17: Believe it or not, Dinneyer, you could commit a crime
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Speaker 17: in this country, you could come plan benefits, commits a
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Speaker 17: crime in this country, and you're not deported. You still
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Speaker 17: keep that indefinite leave to remain. That's got to change.
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Speaker 4: Oh look, I mean absolutely out Look. I don't feel
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Speaker 4: for you over there in the UK. It does say
47:30
Speaker 4: that there's so many many problems and it all seems
47:32
Speaker 4: to be stemming from mass migration. It's a huge issue. Now, look,
47:36
Speaker 4: let's talk about the party. I mean, Reform are doing
47:37
Speaker 4: so well right now in the polls. I know that
47:40
Speaker 4: you recently moved to Reform from the Conservatives. Why did
47:44
Speaker 4: you make that move?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I've been a concern.
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Speaker 17: I was a Conservative from a teenage years. My parents'
47:50
Speaker 17: life changed under a Thatcher government. You know, they brought
47:53
Speaker 17: a home, they built a company and that the Conservatives
47:57
Speaker 17: to me were about low taxation, economic growth, very strong
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Speaker 17: on law and order, home ownership, but they weren't like
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Speaker 17: that at all towards the end.
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Speaker 2: And it was under the Conservatives that we.
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Speaker 17: Had the equalities at all, the transgender issues, where you
48:14
Speaker 17: know the rights of a woman were completely diminished. We
48:19
Speaker 17: have public sectors here that if you grow up white
48:23
Speaker 17: and poor, you're too privileged to apply to.
48:26
Speaker 2: And all this strived under the Conservative government.
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Speaker 17: They brought the Online Safety Bill, which completely.
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Speaker 2: Limited freedom of speech.
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Speaker 17: Under the Conservatives, we have people being arrested for tweets
48:39
Speaker 17: and worse Danika. They would stand there and say we
48:42
Speaker 17: are the party of home ownership, but they wouldn't build
48:45
Speaker 17: any homes.
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Speaker 2: They'd be nimbiism.
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Speaker 17: I don't know if you have that term in Australia,
48:49
Speaker 17: all across Conservative constituencies, so we have, I don't know
48:51
Speaker 17: if it's the same in Australia. Thirty and forty year
48:53
Speaker 17: olds who'll never own a home and a state that
48:55
Speaker 17: can't provide for them. Yet they're letting in millions of
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Speaker 17: millions of people and expecting people to fit the bill
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Speaker 17: and taxes with the highest they'd ever been since World
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Speaker 17: War Two under the Conservatives, and public services were the
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Speaker 17: worst they've been.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we can see why.
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Speaker 4: You know, the Conservatives are losing talent like yourself, and
49:14
Speaker 4: also here in Australia. I mean the Conservatives are losing
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Speaker 4: ground because they're not implementing the policies to actually make
49:21
Speaker 4: a key difference and to differentiate themselves from the labor parties.
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Speaker 4: So it's happening everywhere. Layla Cunningham. Really nice to catch
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Speaker 4: up with you. Thank you very much for joining us
49:28
Speaker 4: on the show this evening.
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Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
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Speaker 4: Thank you for your company this evening, Sharry Marks and
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Speaker 4: we'll be back tomorrow night.
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Speaker 3: Stay tuned. Paul Murray is up next. Good night,