Latest / Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast / Tigers Enter Judgment Week
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- 0:04Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
- 0:07Speaker 1: the Battle Territory Network. He Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren
- 0:10Speaker 1: Steckley with me as always as a man whose sunny
- 0:12Speaker 1: disposition shines through even during a rain delay.
- 0:16Speaker 2: He is Cody Stavining and I.
- 0:17Speaker 3: Do doing good, Karen. I don't know if I'm known
- 0:20Speaker 3: for a sunny disposition, but I think my disposition is
- 0:23Speaker 3: better than a lot of people around here lately. It's
- 0:26Speaker 3: been quite a week. Owen six, Owen six home sin unbelievable.
- 0:30Speaker 3: I would have believed two and four, I would have
- 0:32Speaker 3: believe one in five. I don't think I saw Owen
- 0:34Speaker 3: six coming. That's hard to do.
- 0:37Speaker 2: It's hard to do. Uh And and what.
- 0:40Speaker 1: I'll say is that it's hard to do in some
- 0:43Speaker 1: of the specific fashions that we saw in Some of
- 0:46Speaker 1: this we alreadycovered earlier in the week, but it is
- 0:49Speaker 1: it does bear repeating because there is some repetitive nature
- 0:52Speaker 1: to this. Uh, just poor starting pitching. We saw that
- 0:55Speaker 1: Friday where it's like like that's an l right away,
- 0:59Speaker 1: like you just you just can't come back from that really,
- 1:04Speaker 1: and and then Saturday, so you crumple it up and
- 1:07Speaker 1: you throw it away on Friday, and then Saturday you have,
- 1:10Speaker 1: like for the second time in this week, you have
- 1:14Speaker 1: like your like hero moment with with the Spencer Toklsen
- 1:18Speaker 1: home run, and just like, you know, we joke about
- 1:21Speaker 1: Torque being California cool and and you know, through all
- 1:24Speaker 1: the ups and downs in his career, we don't get
- 1:27Speaker 1: moments like that where we see like real emotion from
- 1:31Speaker 1: Spencer Torkelsen, and we got that and like watching it,
- 1:35Speaker 1: listening on the radio, being at the game, no matter what,
- 1:38Speaker 1: you felt that And then you know, Benegan gives up
- 1:42Speaker 1: a home run, You're like all right, And then to
- 1:45Speaker 1: repeat it again, even though the first time was in
- 1:48Speaker 1: a safe situation, you have will vest not come up
- 1:51Speaker 1: big in the moment that it mattered most. And and
- 1:54Speaker 1: then today like you know, I'm wearing I'm wearing a
- 1:57Speaker 1: Moonshine hat for those that are watching watching on YouTube
- 2:01Speaker 1: because that's.
- 2:02Speaker 2: Kind of what I felt.
- 2:03Speaker 1: That's what I felt like, That's what I felt like
- 2:06Speaker 1: going through is like, you know, going to one of
- 2:08Speaker 1: those samples and just taking like eight of them real quick,
- 2:11Speaker 1: you know, and and have some bartender make fun of
- 2:13Speaker 1: me like it's coyote ugly or whatever. So like, I like,
- 2:16Speaker 1: that's what I was in the mood for it. Now
- 2:17Speaker 1: since then, I've mellowed a little bit, just because you know,
- 2:21Speaker 1: Royce Lewis was the guy who was the greatest uh
- 2:25Speaker 1: you know, contributor to.
- 2:26Speaker 2: The Tigers uh today. So you still have the one
- 2:29Speaker 2: game lead. UH.
- 2:32Speaker 1: That helps a lot. So and you know, just a
- 2:34Speaker 1: little bit of time, it has come. I had accepted
- 2:36Speaker 1: the loss for the past couple of hours. U all
- 2:40Speaker 1: that to say, the mark was there and you and
- 2:44Speaker 1: you miss the mark and now you find yourself fighting
- 2:47Speaker 1: for your life, like in every facet of the season
- 2:51Speaker 1: going into the week.
- 2:52Speaker 2: So so that's what That's how I feel.
- 2:54Speaker 1: We know how the fans feel if you go on
- 2:56Speaker 1: on on X clubhouse stuff, AJ like, what are we
- 3:01Speaker 1: seeing there? I did see the one quote where he
- 3:04Speaker 1: like this felt purposeful from AJ where he was like, look,
- 3:07Speaker 1: we're gonna wake up tomorrow. We're gonna be in first place,
- 3:10Speaker 1: and it's ugly how we got here. I'm paraphrasy, it's
- 3:13Speaker 1: ugly how we got here. But we're gonna wake up
- 3:14Speaker 1: tomorrow and we have an opportunity to go to you know,
- 3:17Speaker 1: go to somebody's house that work compeding against and and
- 3:20Speaker 1: you know, put a you know, try to win a division,
- 3:22Speaker 1: basically get in the postseason. And that felt like a
- 3:27Speaker 1: good managerial message. But clubhouse stuff in between stuff you
- 3:32Speaker 1: you're there, you're still there right now?
- 3:34Speaker 2: What can you kind of share with us?
- 3:36Speaker 3: I don't know care And you know, A J. Hinch
- 3:38Speaker 3: so's it's not the vibe, it's not the energy, it's
- 3:40Speaker 3: not the care factor. And you know, maybe he's right.
- 3:45Speaker 3: I don't empathize with AJ Hinch having to sit in
- 3:47Speaker 3: front of the MIC's and answer these questions day after day.
- 3:51Speaker 3: The Tigers do control their own destiny. You know what
- 3:53Speaker 3: else controls their own destiny? The Cleveland Guardians. And you're
- 3:57Speaker 3: a couple of days away from not being able to
- 3:59Speaker 3: say you control your own destiny anymore. So that's that's
- 4:03Speaker 3: a real problem. The clubhouse vibe. I don't know, the
- 4:07Speaker 3: guys get put on camera in the mic, where are
- 4:09Speaker 3: they supposed to say, there's not Nick Cassianos on this team.
- 4:12Speaker 3: Who's gonna say anything crazy? It seems like the vibes
- 4:16Speaker 3: been fine post came After losses, it's been real quiet.
- 4:19Speaker 3: It's been more like awkward. I'm just like, it's been
- 4:23Speaker 3: put on some music here, even if it's sad music,
- 4:25Speaker 3: do something. I don't know, It doesn't make you wonder
- 4:29Speaker 3: like is this whole like staying together, stay in the course.
- 4:33Speaker 3: I don't know. Does someone needs to get mad? Do
- 4:35Speaker 3: someone need to get pissed off? Because maybe the alternative
- 4:38Speaker 3: is like are these dudes ready for vacation? And I'm
- 4:41Speaker 3: not saying that, I'm not questioning anyone's competitive character necessarily,
- 4:47Speaker 3: but at what point, at what point do you start
- 4:49Speaker 3: to wonder? Because the play has been pretty lifeless Sunday,
- 4:52Speaker 3: you're two for thirteen with runners in scoring position, at
- 4:56Speaker 3: least five strikeouts in those situations, just some really empty
- 4:59Speaker 3: at bats. It wasn't like you were, you know, lining
- 5:02Speaker 3: out to left field or something. In those situations. They
- 5:05Speaker 3: were guys not making adjustments, not playing the game situationally
- 5:10Speaker 3: at all. And oddly enough, like at least they had
- 5:14Speaker 3: opportunities someday they played better than they have in some
- 5:17Speaker 3: of these losses along the way, And I think that
- 5:22Speaker 3: kind of leads me to another point, Karen. It's not
- 5:25Speaker 3: just that they've been playing bad. He're suddenly in the
- 5:27Speaker 3: stretch run and Your roster is like a mess. This
- 5:32Speaker 3: is the last week of the season. You have Tanner
- 5:35Speaker 3: Rainey throwing in the major leagues. You have Paul Seawald
- 5:39Speaker 3: still looking like he's you know, just now getting up
- 5:42Speaker 3: and running after coming back from injury. You still have
- 5:45Speaker 3: Tray Sweeney, who's second half WRC plus is down to one,
- 5:50Speaker 3: taking a big at bat with two runners on in
- 5:52Speaker 3: the eighth inning because you don't have another option in
- 5:54Speaker 3: the organization. Who's the left handed batter other than Kevin
- 5:57Speaker 3: McGonagall to come replace him. You have cycled in and
- 6:01Speaker 3: out all these pictures, and you've used your option cycle.
- 6:04Speaker 3: And now guess who's not eligible to come up against
- 6:06Speaker 3: the Guardians who have seven left handed hitters and three
- 6:09Speaker 3: switch hitters. You can't bring up Bailey Horn, and you
- 6:11Speaker 3: can't bring up your Summers, and you don't have another
- 6:14Speaker 3: left handed pitcher on the forty man roster. And so
- 6:16Speaker 3: that is concerning Brenan Hannafi. It's been one of your
- 6:20Speaker 3: best pitchers all season. Guess what he's back in that
- 6:22Speaker 3: option cycle. You're gonna have Tanner Rainey and Paul Sewald
- 6:26Speaker 3: and Chris Paddock still on the roster when it matters most.
- 6:31Speaker 3: We can point to the trade deadline, we can point
- 6:33Speaker 3: to decisions made the past two weeks, but it's been
- 6:35Speaker 3: decisions big and small all season that have led the
- 6:38Speaker 3: Tigers to this point. And it's really not pretty.
- 6:44Speaker 2: No, it's it's not pretty.
- 6:46Speaker 1: And you know, I thought this the past couple of
- 6:50Speaker 1: days that you mentioned, like you know, the roster and
- 6:53Speaker 1: the shape that it's in, and obviously injuries are part
- 6:58Speaker 1: of that equation, so we're not this missing it, but
- 7:00Speaker 1: it's also part of the equation for everybody's But it's
- 7:03Speaker 1: a thing, but we're not gonna latch onto it. But
- 7:06Speaker 1: seeing like you know, Viria Ling, seeing like Reesels and
- 7:09Speaker 1: seeing you know, when Parker is out seeing Parker, like
- 7:11Speaker 1: seeing these.
- 7:11Speaker 2: Guys in the dugout.
- 7:14Speaker 1: And when vibes are good, it's like, hey, they're still
- 7:17Speaker 1: part of the team, like you know, blah blah blah,
- 7:19Speaker 1: like that's really cool. When vibes are bad, it's like damn,
- 7:24Speaker 1: like they're like emotionally makes it feel like a bigger
- 7:29Speaker 1: mountain to climb when you're like thinking about oldie, you know,
- 7:32Speaker 1: and now Cole Keith, who is on the ten day
- 7:35Speaker 1: I l with him, correct me if I'm wrong here, right,
- 7:38Speaker 1: rib inflammation?
- 7:40Speaker 3: Uh, it like it's an intercostal issue. For whatever that's worth.
- 7:46Speaker 2: You explain what that is for people.
- 7:48Speaker 3: No, I can pull up WebMD real quick and read
- 7:52Speaker 3: the same thing you guys will read. It says it's
- 7:53Speaker 3: not noblique, but it's kind of like Ali, it's a
- 7:55Speaker 3: little more in the rip cage. Is my understanding? You
- 7:59Speaker 3: know how long he's going to be out? He said
- 8:02Speaker 3: he felt it on the swing before he hit that double,
- 8:06Speaker 3: so you know it looks similar. Yeah. Wow, he's struggling
- 8:10Speaker 3: to rotate. It hasn't been moving around that well. I
- 8:12Speaker 3: guess the hope is it's mild. It seems a little
- 8:14Speaker 3: unclear in terms of what to expect if he can
- 8:17Speaker 3: come back for the playoffs, which we've spent the last
- 8:20Speaker 3: two months talking about can they win the World Series?
- 8:22Speaker 3: And now it's like are there going to be playoffs?
- 8:26Speaker 2: Exactly?
- 8:26Speaker 1: And then and then you know, the other source of
- 8:29Speaker 1: news after Charlie Morton, Just like I say, I say
- 8:34Speaker 1: this a lot, is that like with with with with
- 8:37Speaker 1: teams with guys with legends. Obviously he's not a Tiger's
- 8:40Speaker 1: legend or anything like that, but like you know, the
- 8:41Speaker 1: guy's been a ballplayer for a long time. A lot
- 8:43Speaker 1: of exits are not Hollywood, and I don't know what
- 8:47Speaker 1: his career is, you know, blah blah blah, but you know,
- 8:50Speaker 1: forty one years old, he was traded to from a
- 8:52Speaker 1: non contender to a contender. He has pedigrees, played for
- 8:55Speaker 1: AJ like all these things, and to have it end
- 8:59Speaker 1: like that, it's pretty brutal. And the Tigers, I don't
- 9:04Speaker 1: even want to say to their credit, but they're not
- 9:06Speaker 1: messing around.
- 9:07Speaker 2: It's like, we just can't.
- 9:08Speaker 1: We just can't keep doing this because, like you know,
- 9:11Speaker 1: I'm watching that game they're talking about like, you know,
- 9:13Speaker 1: you can't throw fastball for a strike, and I'm that's
- 9:16Speaker 1: probably the worst thing you ever want to hear about
- 9:18Speaker 1: a pitcher, particularly a starter. But it's like, I don't know, dude,
- 9:21Speaker 1: at certain points, just pitch and catch, like you gotta
- 9:23Speaker 1: throw the fastball. You gotta throw the fastball first strike,
- 9:26Speaker 1: and you know, And now the Charlie Morton era, the
- 9:29Speaker 1: last trade of the trade deadline, I believe period. I
- 9:32Speaker 1: think the guy in there right underneath the alarm bell
- 9:37Speaker 1: turns out to be a dud.
- 9:39Speaker 3: Yeah, it sucks, like Charlie Morton's known as one of
- 9:42Speaker 3: the very best human beings in the game. We here
- 9:46Speaker 3: in Detroit only got to know him a little bit.
- 9:48Speaker 3: But it's just a couple of days before he got DFA.
- 9:51Speaker 3: I talked to him for thirty minutes and it was
- 9:53Speaker 3: amazing and lightning and it's for a story that will
- 9:57Speaker 3: only run if the Tigers make the playoffs. And now
- 9:59Speaker 3: it's like doing include this stuff from this guy got
- 10:02Speaker 3: DFA because it's really good that he's gone. So that's
- 10:05Speaker 3: you know, we'll see how that goes. But great human
- 10:09Speaker 3: being and has had a great eighteen years in the
- 10:12Speaker 3: big leagues. Man, he should be proud of that. Unfortunately,
- 10:16Speaker 3: those who only saw him, you know, in this time
- 10:18Speaker 3: with the Tigers, well, the lasting image will probably be
- 10:20Speaker 3: Sunday just getting beat around, walking off the field with
- 10:24Speaker 3: his head down. I kind of thought they were gonna
- 10:27Speaker 3: hold on to him in DFA Chris Paddock though, just
- 10:29Speaker 3: because Morton he's pitched out of the pin before for
- 10:33Speaker 3: AJ like he has this kind of outlier curveball, and
- 10:36Speaker 3: I thought there was a real chance they would move
- 10:38Speaker 3: him to that role hope that he could find something
- 10:41Speaker 3: and maybe be useful for you in this now hypothetical postseason.
- 10:46Speaker 3: I asked aj Hinch about that, and he's like, the
- 10:48Speaker 3: command basically, the command was too big of a question mark,
- 10:51Speaker 3: you know, if you weren't sure he'd find the strike
- 10:53Speaker 3: zone with any of his stuff at this point in
- 10:55Speaker 3: the calendar, it wasn't worth it. So Morton's out, and
- 10:59Speaker 3: I I'm just the one saying Paddock would have been
- 11:01Speaker 3: the other option. Paddick gets to stay for at least
- 11:04Speaker 3: a little bit longer here. I yeah, I don't know.
- 11:09Speaker 3: For as much as the we talked about the mess
- 11:12Speaker 3: that is, this roster probably best the Tigers moved on
- 11:15Speaker 3: from Charlie Morton, but it's a little strange. You don't
- 11:19Speaker 3: have a better option than Tayner Rainey, who was not
- 11:22Speaker 3: really on my radar. He's got good stuff. He throws hard,
- 11:25Speaker 3: has missed a lot of bats in his career. He
- 11:27Speaker 3: also has an ERA over five in his major league career,
- 11:30Speaker 3: and his first appearance with the Tigers, he threw sixteen pitches.
- 11:33Speaker 3: Eleven of them were balls. To the point I'm like, eh,
- 11:37Speaker 3: they've rather just have Charlie Morton's nice curve balls, Like,
- 11:40Speaker 3: I don't know.
- 11:43Speaker 2: That's tough.
- 11:44Speaker 1: We'll do a brief recap of the trade deadline acquisitions
- 11:48Speaker 1: because everything's under a microscope when you get to this
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- 12:58Speaker 1: All right, with the Charlie Mordan era coming to an end,
- 13:02Speaker 1: just a brief re cap on on the additions that
- 13:05Speaker 1: the Tigers made the trade deadline, So Charlie Morton exits
- 13:08Speaker 1: with his time in Detroit sporting a seven point nine
- 13:12Speaker 1: e r A. Raphael Montero might be the I mean,
- 13:18Speaker 1: might I mean it might be the best of the bunch.
- 13:20Speaker 1: Probably not, but he has certainly been one of the
- 13:22Speaker 1: more surprising elements. He has a three point one zero
- 13:25Speaker 1: e r A a point three war player with the
- 13:27Speaker 1: Tigers if and again we know what he's done pre injury,
- 13:31Speaker 1: but you know he also threw a splitter middle of
- 13:33Speaker 1: the plate, and you know caused that situation on Saturday
- 13:37Speaker 1: to be uh to be a lot more tight.
- 13:39Speaker 3: And then I told someone it's almost like he pitched
- 13:42Speaker 3: too good for you before that injury and kind of
- 13:45Speaker 3: has nowhere to go to put down you know, sure.
- 13:47Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a lot of averages there for sure,
- 13:51Speaker 1: Chris Paddock. You mentioned six point one two e r
- 13:53Speaker 1: A Cody Hewer here, Oh year.
- 13:58Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
- 13:59Speaker 1: UH got three point one endings out of him and
- 14:01Speaker 1: he gave up two runs and then the sea walled
- 14:04Speaker 1: experience it is playing out, although not like the early
- 14:08Speaker 1: returns or the most promising. So so that's your that's
- 14:12Speaker 1: your recap of the trade deadline when you were trying
- 14:16Speaker 1: to acquire as many assets as you could to stave off,
- 14:20Speaker 1: you know, the tier ration of the pitching, and what
- 14:22Speaker 1: happened was the pitching ended up DETERI rating even more.
- 14:26Speaker 1: And you've already gotten rid of two of those guys
- 14:29Speaker 1: on the on the roster.
- 14:31Speaker 3: So.
- 14:33Speaker 1: Let's let's go. Let's stick with pitching for a second.
- 14:36Speaker 1: Then I want to get to the on base stuff.
- 14:39Speaker 3: But real quick here, and I do want I mentioned
- 14:41Speaker 3: this earlier, but Scott Harris is getting killed for the
- 14:45Speaker 3: trade deadline this week, and for the most part rightfully so,
- 14:50Speaker 3: knowing this front office and how they think, I'm sure
- 14:53Speaker 3: they would point to a bunch of other deals around
- 14:55Speaker 3: the league that didn't work out. Suarez hasn't been good
- 14:57Speaker 3: in Seattle healthily, hasn't been good with the that Deron
- 15:01Speaker 3: was probably not someone they could realistically get. You can
- 15:04Speaker 3: pick and choose other guys, but David Bednar has been
- 15:06Speaker 3: has been pretty good, and you know you can do
- 15:10Speaker 3: that game. What position player did you actually want outside score?
- 15:14Speaker 3: As I had said on Willie Castro, and he hasn't
- 15:16Speaker 3: been good for the Cobs. So that's probably what their
- 15:18Speaker 3: defense would be, and in some way that's why their
- 15:21Speaker 3: strategy was what it was. Let's just go get a
- 15:23Speaker 3: bunch of guys and hope some of them stick. Obviously
- 15:26Speaker 3: didn't work. Obviously, you're paid to make those decisions and
- 15:29Speaker 3: get those rights. So I don't really think that's like
- 15:31Speaker 3: a great defense, but it is somewhat of a defense.
- 15:34Speaker 3: I would say the trade deadline mattered so much because
- 15:38Speaker 3: you missed one other guys. You missed one John Brebia
- 15:41Speaker 3: and Alex Cobb, and you know you're supposed to be
- 15:44Speaker 3: so great at developing pitching, and you haven't really hit
- 15:47Speaker 3: gold on any of those under heralded guys. Your waiver
- 15:51Speaker 3: claims haven't worked out. You're there. Bit so the trade
- 15:54Speaker 3: deadline was bad, but the trade deadline is a little
- 15:58Speaker 3: finicky by nature. To the Tiger's point, You've made a
- 16:03Speaker 3: lot of other bad decisions all year though, and that's
- 16:05Speaker 3: why you're getting killed for the deadline because of other
- 16:08Speaker 3: things that went.
- 16:09Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of the Yeah, it's one of those
- 16:11Speaker 1: things where it's like how you got there. Uh definitely
- 16:13Speaker 1: plays into like, you know, why you find yourself in
- 16:17Speaker 1: that situation. So, uh so, yeah, that's a that's a
- 16:19Speaker 1: fair it's it's all fair. Like I don't even consider that.
- 16:22Speaker 2: A defense of Scott Harris or the administration. That's it.
- 16:25Speaker 3: I just think it's like it is in the context
- 16:28Speaker 3: for the rest of the league. You're still paid to
- 16:31Speaker 3: get it right though.
- 16:31Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it is what it is. Thing.
- 16:34Speaker 1: And you know, and and right now you got to
- 16:36Speaker 1: go with the horses that you got. So with with pitching,
- 16:39Speaker 1: the Tigers did alter I mean, we're gonna see this
- 16:43Speaker 1: right away. In Cleveland, they altered their pitching rotation a
- 16:45Speaker 1: little bit they're bringing school in to pitch Tuesday again
- 16:49Speaker 1: at Cleveland, and then it's going to be uh Jack Flaherty.
- 16:53Speaker 1: So you talk about, you know, that's what the money's for,
- 16:56Speaker 1: I know, schoo bul Is, you know, not like pay paid,
- 16:58Speaker 1: but like you know, Flair, that's what the money's for.
- 17:01Speaker 2: And then we have a TBD.
- 17:04Speaker 3: Well have we not even talked about this yet? Karen?
- 17:07Speaker 3: It's all you have three starting pitchers. That's all they have.
- 17:11Speaker 3: As importantly, it's not only you don't have a fit starter.
- 17:14Speaker 3: You don't have a fourth starter. Ye And I guess
- 17:16Speaker 3: they kind of got by with that last year, but
- 17:19Speaker 3: the year has proven that that is a very hard
- 17:21Speaker 3: and very dangerous thing to do. And so now, in
- 17:24Speaker 3: addition to all the other roster scenarios we've talked about,
- 17:26Speaker 3: you have a TBA and what could define your season
- 17:29Speaker 3: against the Cleveland Guardians. Cater Montero, We'll see how that
- 17:33Speaker 3: series goes, most likely going to be the guy to
- 17:35Speaker 3: get the ball. Worth noting they are moving up Trek
- 17:39Speaker 3: Scooble basically could line him up to pitch against Boston
- 17:43Speaker 3: with the season on the line. If need be, you
- 17:46Speaker 3: could dive into a million scenarios there where let's say
- 17:49Speaker 3: that's a must win game and then you don't have
- 17:51Speaker 3: them to start game one of the wild Card. You know,
- 17:53Speaker 3: don't love how that could go. So anyway, no, cater
- 17:57Speaker 3: Montero is probably going to start Game three against the
- 18:00Speaker 3: Guardians or maybe they opened for him, but he'll pitch
- 18:03Speaker 3: in a big role. Kder's done some nice things. You know,
- 18:06Speaker 3: also get some modes where you just can't command the
- 18:09Speaker 3: ball and can't throw strikes and and that's usually what
- 18:12Speaker 3: dictates how the ovings go for him.
- 18:14Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I'm glad that we're transitioning this way
- 18:17Speaker 1: because it's a hut. Like the how you got here
- 18:22Speaker 1: piece of it is that you haven't been able or
- 18:24Speaker 1: he hasn't done it, you know, give you know, got
- 18:26Speaker 1: to give these guys their own responsibility. Have not been
- 18:29Speaker 1: able to develop from from what we saw last last season.
- 18:34Speaker 1: So like so like there there was like Montero, I
- 18:37Speaker 1: think in spring training, like Aj said andels like it
- 18:41Speaker 1: was really hard to tell him that, like he didn't
- 18:43Speaker 1: make the team because like he was so important last
- 18:47Speaker 1: year in twenty four and then you know, how to
- 18:48Speaker 1: find enough spring training and all that stuff.
- 18:51Speaker 2: And but everyone new.
- 18:52Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, well they're gonna rely on them, and
- 18:54Speaker 1: you know, theories should be okay.
- 18:56Speaker 2: Not really like.
- 19:00Speaker 1: I can't can't say that that's a brimming with confidence
- 19:03Speaker 1: to throw Montero out there in a.
- 19:05Speaker 2: Game that you know you would hope like what you're like.
- 19:08Speaker 1: There's some hope, but it's like that could decide the
- 19:10Speaker 1: series and like, you know, you know, have like either way,
- 19:13Speaker 1: it's gonna have ramifications.
- 19:15Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 19:16Speaker 2: So like so that's another piece too.
- 19:17Speaker 1: If we're going to talk about front office failures or
- 19:19Speaker 1: coaching staff failures, it's not like did they hold on
- 19:23Speaker 1: to their prospects too long or too you know, too close.
- 19:26Speaker 2: At the trade deadline.
- 19:27Speaker 1: It's that you didn't advance these guys this season that
- 19:31Speaker 1: could that that you knew were going to have impacts
- 19:34Speaker 1: on you, you know, in the in the twenty twenty
- 19:37Speaker 1: five seasons. So that's that's as big a deal, probably
- 19:39Speaker 1: bigger deal actually than what they gave up or didn't
- 19:42Speaker 1: give up at the trade deadline.
- 19:46Speaker 2: Let's see.
- 19:47Speaker 1: Tommy Kinley, I just want to make note of this
- 19:49Speaker 1: because I'm I'm tracking all of the prove it moments.
- 19:53Speaker 2: Tommy Kinley for the record, he's only given up two
- 19:57Speaker 2: runs since August fifteenth.
- 19:58Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me he deserves some credit for getting back
- 20:02Speaker 3: to being at least usable. Not all those outings have
- 20:05Speaker 3: really met the eye test, but lately he's been a
- 20:08Speaker 3: little better and he deserves credit for that. Flip side,
- 20:13Speaker 3: Are we worried about will Vest because this is one
- 20:15Speaker 3: of the things I've been harp I've been harping on
- 20:17Speaker 3: a little bit. Entering his last outing where he gave
- 20:20Speaker 3: up four hits, opponents were hitting his fastball to the
- 20:24Speaker 3: tune of a three to eighty seven average since August first,
- 20:28Speaker 3: we've talked about the VLO being down. The VLO is
- 20:30Speaker 3: even a tick up in that outing, and he's still
- 20:33Speaker 3: got hit around. He's not missing bats, particularly with the fastball.
- 20:37Speaker 3: So talking about needing a back end reliever. If will
- 20:41Speaker 3: West doesn't get it together, that could be killer. And
- 20:45Speaker 3: you're very lucky that Tommy Kinley is at least, you know,
- 20:48Speaker 3: getting guys out. Yeah.
- 20:51Speaker 2: Well.
- 20:51Speaker 1: Also, of note, with the best conundrum I guess we
- 20:55Speaker 1: can call it right now, is that we know that
- 20:58Speaker 1: AJ does not always use like his best guy for
- 21:03Speaker 1: the ninth So like we saw a finn again and
- 21:06Speaker 1: I don't know who he uses number one in his
- 21:08Speaker 1: mind or whatever, but we saw Finn again. He gives
- 21:10Speaker 1: up the home run and then Vest obviously you know,
- 21:13Speaker 1: ends up, you know, giving up, giving up the lead period.
- 21:16Speaker 1: So if you're not confident in Vest, that means you
- 21:19Speaker 1: can't throw him out there in the eighth inning to
- 21:22Speaker 1: get you to the ninth inning, right, so.
- 21:24Speaker 3: That you can, you just might not feel good about it.
- 21:27Speaker 2: Well, that's what I mean.
- 21:28Speaker 3: Is that, like it's about time for Rafael Montero probably
- 21:31Speaker 3: to start getting more of those looks. That's a hard decision.
- 21:34Speaker 3: Manager's left. Yeah, the guy who's got you here or
- 21:37Speaker 3: the guy who's been a little bit better lately. And
- 21:40Speaker 3: I don't know, Montero gave up a homer in in
- 21:42Speaker 3: Miami that cost you a game though.
- 21:46Speaker 1: Again, what I say, it's like how much can you stomach?
- 21:49Speaker 1: How much can you really stomach? And that's gonna be
- 21:53Speaker 1: that's gonna be the theme of this next week. All right,
- 21:56Speaker 1: we are going to take a quick break and then
- 21:59Speaker 1: we will get to what was some parts encouraging in
- 22:04Speaker 1: some parts demoralizing from Sunday and how that could play
- 22:08Speaker 1: itself out this week.
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- 23:14Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, I just want to we
- 23:18Speaker 1: probably haven't given this enough attention yet, Cody, But there's
- 23:20Speaker 1: just so many other things that you know, popping through,
- 23:23Speaker 1: popping through our minds. The Tigers in the in the
- 23:27Speaker 1: in their past ten games coming into Sunday, we're batting
- 23:32Speaker 1: one ninety with runners in scoring position, one nine zero
- 23:36Speaker 1: not great.
- 23:37Speaker 2: Uh So I was like, all.
- 23:38Speaker 1: Right, well, you had some some ducks on the pond.
- 23:41Speaker 1: Let's kind of just do a quick tally. So I'm
- 23:42Speaker 1: just gonna name some bats with runners in scoring position
- 23:45Speaker 1: and sometimes with multiple runners on base. We have a
- 23:48Speaker 1: care Carpenter flyout. We have a Riley Green strikeout. We
- 23:53Speaker 1: have a Spredatorkalson strikeout. We have a McKinstry strikeout. We
- 23:59Speaker 1: have a Hobbyer Bias five four to three double play.
- 24:03Speaker 1: We have another Torque strikeout. This is in the fifth inning.
- 24:06Speaker 1: Then McKinstry walks. So the okay, you got on bass,
- 24:09Speaker 1: but that's followed by the whole all right, bring up
- 24:12Speaker 1: our lefty killers and Andy Banya strikes out, and uh
- 24:17Speaker 1: and Jamai Jones fouls out. And then you mentioned tray
- 24:21Speaker 1: Sweeney earlier. Tray Sweeney found first pitch, first pitch, first pitch,
- 24:26Speaker 1: foul out.
- 24:26Speaker 3: So you know, we had the best approach of all
- 24:30Speaker 3: those people and all those at bats I think is
- 24:32Speaker 3: Hobby bias? I mean bya is by the way, who
- 24:37Speaker 3: I get think guy to get all credit for getting
- 24:39Speaker 3: him in the lineup three days in a row. It
- 24:41Speaker 3: really worked out. But he almost made a Hobby play
- 24:44Speaker 3: on that Akunya tag that didn't go down as an out,
- 24:48Speaker 3: so it doesn't matter. But anyway, it wasn't any worse
- 24:51Speaker 3: than Tray Sweeney. Uh BIA's got up three to zero
- 24:54Speaker 3: swung three to zero, which I have no problem with,
- 24:57Speaker 3: especially for Hobby by its Honestly, you know the pitcher's
- 24:59Speaker 3: got to come in the strike zone. Do you foul
- 25:02Speaker 3: off a high fastball or missed a fastball? And then
- 25:05Speaker 3: he did chase below the zone on three wine, but
- 25:08Speaker 3: it was a breaking ball that was over the plate low,
- 25:11Speaker 3: He had it hard, it was just on the ground
- 25:13Speaker 3: into a double play. Oddly enough, I saw a lot
- 25:16Speaker 3: of bad at bats with earners in scoring position today.
- 25:18Speaker 3: I didn't necessarily fault Hobby's approach at the play.
- 25:21Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.
- 25:22Speaker 1: It like this offense had no life for a lot
- 25:27Speaker 1: of this week, and you have to say with getting
- 25:31Speaker 1: that many runners again, that many runners in scoring position.
- 25:34Speaker 2: That is life, you know what I mean, Like like
- 25:37Speaker 2: you had life, but you.
- 25:38Speaker 1: Just up until the ninth when the game's basically over,
- 25:41Speaker 1: you hadn't been able to play at anybody. So there's
- 25:45Speaker 1: parts of that where it's like some approach aspects, some
- 25:48Speaker 1: coaching points aspects was working, but when it matters most
- 25:52Speaker 1: in these leverage situations that were increasingly becoming higher al
- 25:56Speaker 1: tentative to when we try to classify Clutch and all
- 25:59Speaker 1: those things, uh, they failed. Like and by the way,
- 26:02Speaker 1: like we talked about rider dies earlier in the week,
- 26:06Speaker 1: and a lot of the people that were high end
- 26:09Speaker 1: of our little Rider Die draft, you know, Garrett Carpenter,
- 26:13Speaker 1: Riley Green, All Star, Torglsen thirty home runs he you
- 26:17Speaker 1: know Green or Torquing Carpenter obviously Clutch earlier in the week,
- 26:22Speaker 1: Uh McKinstry all Star bye, as you mentioned all Star, Uh,
- 26:26Speaker 1: you know, like and then then and then the two
- 26:28Speaker 1: LEFTI killers didn't really give you anything. So it's like
- 26:33Speaker 1: you're these potential hero situations that you could have shoved
- 26:39Speaker 1: as a series gained another game on the magic number,
- 26:42Speaker 1: and they just fell flat. And like you said, a
- 26:44Speaker 1: lot of non competitive at bets, a lot of not
- 26:47Speaker 1: like they looked completely unprepared for off speed from.
- 26:50Speaker 3: Uh striders three in a row and Turk, who actually
- 26:53Speaker 3: had a pretty nice week, you know, miss three sliders
- 26:56Speaker 3: in a Roadja, my Jones got four pitches in the
- 26:58Speaker 3: heart of the plate and fouled the cup off and
- 27:02Speaker 3: then fouled out. I'm not here how to tell anyone
- 27:04Speaker 3: how to hit a major league slider, but you look
- 27:07Speaker 3: at some of these at bats and they were bad.
- 27:09Speaker 3: Riley Green, Hey, he at least put the ball in
- 27:11Speaker 3: play a few times, hit one ball hard on Sunday.
- 27:14Speaker 3: But a brutal week for Riley Green. That's the guy.
- 27:18Speaker 3: You gotta have, uh in a mode where he's not
- 27:21Speaker 3: you know, extreme strikeout Riley you get you know, and
- 27:24Speaker 3: A J. Hinch says, hey, when he gets going, someone's
- 27:26Speaker 3: gonna pay for it. And he's not wrong. We've seen
- 27:29Speaker 3: it with Riley too much all season. Hey, final six
- 27:33Speaker 3: games this series need driv the Green to at least
- 27:35Speaker 3: be touching the baseball.
- 27:39Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
- 27:41Speaker 1: You like you mentioned like the guy to Habs like
- 27:44Speaker 1: you got it, like all these guys we just mentioned,
- 27:46Speaker 1: and you throw in uh, you know, schoolble Obviously, you
- 27:50Speaker 1: gotta have school no matter what. Flarity gotta have flarity
- 27:53Speaker 1: who who oddly enough is a lot better against teams
- 27:57Speaker 1: above five hundred. So if that's drank contain, you hope
- 28:01Speaker 1: that you put yourself in a position to win. But
- 28:03Speaker 1: like all the gotta have it guys on Sunday flumped
- 28:08Speaker 1: all right. And it's a shame that we're talking about
- 28:10Speaker 1: it like this when Cary Carpenter was hero status for
- 28:14Speaker 1: a brief moment earlier this week, and Spencer with Torgelsen
- 28:17Speaker 1: was hero status for a brief moment this week and
- 28:20Speaker 1: it all got wiped away. And and it doesn't matter
- 28:23Speaker 1: because now you go into the last week, you got
- 28:25Speaker 1: six games, and you have a one game lead on
- 28:28Speaker 1: your division, and that wildcard is messy, so you don't
- 28:31Speaker 1: want to get get in there either.
- 28:33Speaker 2: So things are, things are tight. Things are things are tight.
- 28:38Speaker 3: It's wild. I've never seen anything like this. It would be,
- 28:41Speaker 3: I think the worst collapse in Major League history. I
- 28:43Speaker 3: think in any sport I've covered, I've it's about as
- 28:46Speaker 3: tenths as anything I've experienced. It's not been a good environment.
- 28:51Speaker 3: It's not been a particularly fun week at Camerica Park,
- 28:54Speaker 3: as anyone listening to this truly understands, Like.
- 29:00Speaker 2: Well, what do you expect? What do you expect?
- 29:02Speaker 1: Not necessarily like results wise, but like when you go
- 29:05Speaker 1: to Cleveland and you're in you know, aj beforehand, in
- 29:09Speaker 1: the clubhouse and school bawl and like all that stuff,
- 29:12Speaker 1: because it's you know, you're not gonna be in friendly
- 29:14Speaker 1: confines anymore. There their twenty twenty five life is on
- 29:19Speaker 1: the line more than it has been in any situation
- 29:22Speaker 1: this year.
- 29:23Speaker 2: Like what do you what do you expect to see?
- 29:25Speaker 2: What do you expect to see?
- 29:26Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. There's a part of me,
- 29:29Speaker 3: part of my gut, that tells me they're just done,
- 29:31Speaker 3: like because it's felt like that. I've also watched a
- 29:34Speaker 3: lot of baseball, and I think over the past calendar
- 29:37Speaker 3: year of the Detroit Tigers has really taught me to
- 29:39Speaker 3: ever stop expecting I know what's going to happen, because
- 29:43Speaker 3: it's been some ridiculous highs and ridiculous lows. You know,
- 29:47Speaker 3: it's an interesting test of leadership for a J Hench
- 29:49Speaker 3: who preaches steadiness, you know, who's not the guy to
- 29:53Speaker 3: flip the spread post game and throw a tirade and
- 29:56Speaker 3: doesn't see a lot of value in that, and I
- 29:58Speaker 3: generally agree with that approach. But again, and at a
- 30:00Speaker 3: time like this, well it's going to get a rise
- 30:03Speaker 3: out of a team, I don't know if that's not
- 30:06Speaker 3: authentic to who he is. I'm not saying he should
- 30:09Speaker 3: necessarily go act like that, but it's an interesting like
- 30:12Speaker 3: where's it coming from, and where's the where's the leadership
- 30:15Speaker 3: coming from? Outside the manager's chair, you know, kind of
- 30:18Speaker 3: looked around the clubhouse and it's like, well, you know,
- 30:21Speaker 3: we talked about how great labor's been, like like like,
- 30:25Speaker 3: does this team really have leaders especially amongst the position
- 30:29Speaker 3: playing group, but still a lot of really young guys,
- 30:31Speaker 3: guys just trying to hang on in the major leagues.
- 30:34Speaker 3: Like there are guys who are important to the franchise,
- 30:37Speaker 3: but I don't know. Sometimes leadership can be for show,
- 30:41Speaker 3: it can be eyewash. But Daniello Crown, it's like, well,
- 30:43Speaker 3: they don't. They don't have an Alex Bregman, they don't
- 30:46Speaker 3: have anyone like that. They just don't.
- 30:50Speaker 1: The The reality of the situation is that how this
- 30:57Speaker 1: next week plays out will be individually obviously collectively as
- 31:04Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five team but individually will be a
- 31:09Speaker 1: legacy chapter, if not legacy defining. And the thing is, dude,
- 31:14Speaker 1: if you insert expletive word here the bed this week,
- 31:23Speaker 1: you don't get to play tomorrow. Metaphorically, you gotta sit
- 31:27Speaker 1: on that until February. It's a long time and then
- 31:31Speaker 1: how are you gonna respond then?
- 31:34Speaker 2: So I don't know.
- 31:35Speaker 1: I don't know if AJ's got to get them, you know,
- 31:37Speaker 1: win one for the GIP or speech. But I think, a, A, hey,
- 31:41Speaker 1: this is a great opportunity. But also sense of urgency
- 31:44Speaker 1: combination kind of seems.
- 31:47Speaker 2: Like to play.
- 31:47Speaker 1: So there there's a part of me that's like, you know,
- 31:52Speaker 1: but there's also a part of me it's like, you
- 31:54Speaker 1: know what, this is why you love sports. You have
- 31:56Speaker 1: to watch this and see what happens because you don't
- 31:59Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. You just don't know what's gonna happen.
- 32:02Speaker 1: And uh and I'll be excited to watch and we'll
- 32:05Speaker 1: see what my moonshine intake.
- 32:07Speaker 3: Uhuh, brutal this has been. There's a chance to turn
- 32:11Speaker 3: it into a great story all over again.
- 32:13Speaker 1: And again everything's in front of you. If you're the Tigers,
- 32:16Speaker 1: that's the the you know.
- 32:17Speaker 3: It's a little bit longer, for a little bit longer.
- 32:20Speaker 1: Yeah, for a little bit longer, for for about forty
- 32:22Speaker 1: eight hours, and then first pitch happens, and and we'll
- 32:25Speaker 1: see anything else Cody before we jet out here.
- 32:27Speaker 3: No, no, that covers It was good to vince a
- 32:29Speaker 3: little bit. We will talk more next week. We'll get
- 32:32Speaker 3: Austin Jackson on here for some of his perspective.
- 32:36Speaker 1: I'll go up, it's gonna be. Yeah, it's gonna be.
- 32:39Speaker 1: It's gonna be hanging on every pitch. Postseason starts Tuesday.
- 32:43Speaker 1: That's that's really what it comes to. Postseason starts Tuesday,
- 32:46Speaker 1: so we shall see what happens.
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- 33:00Speaker 2: Wherever you are. That's where we are.
- 33:01Speaker 1: We appreciate all of you as we go into the
- 33:04Speaker 1: final week of the regular season. So for Cody Stavenhagen,
- 33:08Speaker 1: I'm Kieren Steckley. Everybody, have a great take