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Old Hats, New Hats, and WonderWorks · I Hate Talking

• 0:32
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 93 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:35
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:36
  I Hate Talking: So we have a listener requested word or phrase of the episode, this particular episode, OK, and it is a phrase, and it is the phrase old hat.
• 0:48
  I Hate Talking: Old hat.
• 0:50
  I Hate Talking: OK, So the context, yeah, when we got this in our listener requested cue, I have heard of this particular phrase and I probably would be able to at least generally understand how somebody used it, but I do not particularly use this phrase, and maybe I will use this phrase in the future if we do the research and I understand what it means and have appropriate context to use it in.
• 1:18
  I Hate Talking: But I particularly have not really, I think, used this particular phrase, old hat.
• 1:23
  I Hate Talking: I don't think I've heard it much, but I would guess, I guess, I guess.
• 1:27
  I Hate Talking: -- Guess -- you guess.
• 1:28
  I Hate Talking: Um, it means something that's repeated or very similar, like we're doing this again, kind of idea.
• 1:38
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I suppose so.
• 1:40
  I Hate Talking: I would also categorize it as like maybe old school, like it is old hat, it's maybe something that's not quite as modern.
• 1:49
  I Hate Talking: There may be a better way of doing things, but like this is the tried and true, maybe not as like up to date method.
• 1:58
  I Hate Talking: But it is a workable solution, old hat.
• 2:03
  I Hate Talking: All right, I'm gonna look it up.
• 2:06
  I Hate Talking: I'm curious to also talk about if there's a new hat.
• 2:09
  I Hate Talking: Like if there's an old hat, is there a new hat hat.
• 2:14
  I Hate Talking: That's a very new hat.
• 2:16
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 2:18
  I Hate Talking: You think you're gonna start that?
• 2:20
  I Hate Talking: I don't think that exists today, but I think we should.
• 2:24
  I Hate Talking: I think we should.
• 2:24
  I Hate Talking: I think we should say something's very old hat.
• 2:27
  I Hate Talking: That On the flip side, there could be something that's very new hat.
• 2:32
  I Hate Talking: Sort of like breaking through the old traditions.
• 2:39
  I Hate Talking: Very trendsetting.
• 2:41
  I Hate Talking: -- I don't -- think cats are very trendsetting right now.
• 2:44
  I Hate Talking: They used to be.
• 2:44
  I Hate Talking: So you're saying going hatless is new hat?
• 2:48
  I Hate Talking: Maybe, but I will say, I don't know, but I will say that you now wear hats, and you never used to.
• 2:58
  I Hate Talking: And I kind of like it on you.
• 3:00
  I Hate Talking: I think it looks good.
• 3:01
  I Hate Talking: I don't know what changed.
• 3:03
  I Hate Talking: I used to wear hats all until I was.
• 3:07
  I Hate Talking: Mid teenage years I think and then you stopped for 20 years apparently, yeah, I don't know why that is.
• 3:15
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, but I'm just saying like I noticed that you wear ball caps more.
• 3:19
  I Hate Talking: And I like it.
• 3:21
  I Hate Talking: I like the look.
• 3:22
  I Hate Talking: I was kind of surprised because the whole nearly two decades I've known you, you haven't.
• 3:27
  I Hate Talking: But, um, there we are.
• 3:31
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 3:32
  I Hate Talking: I'm not sure why that is, maybe the wearing of a hat was.
• 3:38
  I Hate Talking: Very old hat during my teen years and Through my twenties and now.
• 3:44
  I Hate Talking: Wearing a hat is a very new hat.
• 3:47
  I Hate Talking: You're not, you're not laughing at my old hat, new hat jokes, because I'm pretty sure that new hat is not like a thing.
• 3:54
  I Hate Talking: Do you want me, we can rewind that and I'll laugh again.
• 3:59
  I Hate Talking: -- You want -- me to intercut and laugh?
• 4:01
  I Hate Talking: No, I had to.
• 4:03
  I Hate Talking: What's it called when people, the laugh track.
• 4:06
  I Hate Talking: Yes, add the laugh track.
• 4:07
  I Hate Talking: None of our episodes have used any tracks at all.
• 4:10
  I Hate Talking: This is all us just talking.
• 4:11
  I Hate Talking: Plus cold storage.
• 4:15
  I Hate Talking: So thank you to Cold Storage for allowing us to use your music.
• 4:20
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, he was very kind and we appreciate it.
• 4:21
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that was very exciting back in the early days of our podcast.
• 4:27
  I Hate Talking: That was before we even had recorded our very first episode, I think, nearly 2 years ago.
• 4:32
  I Hate Talking: We emailed the guy and he was like, yes, do it.
• 4:34
  I Hate Talking: Are we OK, so we're coming up on 100 years.
• 4:37
  I Hate Talking: No, no, no, 100.
• 4:42
  I Hate Talking: We're coming up on 100 episodes in 2 years.
• 4:45
  I Hate Talking: Are we gonna do anything special?
• 4:47
  I Hate Talking: Probably not.
• 4:49
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, if y'all are listening, if you have an idea of what we should do, because we need to celebrate 100, it might even line up pretty close to it, right?
• 4:58
  I Hate Talking: 100 years, 100 episodes, yes, 1 episode a year.
• 5:02
  I Hate Talking: 100 years.
• 5:04
  I Hate Talking: I messed up.
• 5:04
  I Hate Talking: Um, I think we'll hit 100 episodes before 2 years, but it's gonna be close.
• 5:11
  I Hate Talking: Yes, we will have to do something to celebrate, but Hopefully that celebration won't be old hat.
• 5:17
  I Hate Talking: Though you are a listener can always like, share, subscribe, as well as let us know perhaps what we should do in celebration for our 100th episode or our 2 years apparently coming up, I guess, soon.
• 5:31
  I Hate Talking: Or what's more important, 100 or 2 years?
• 5:34
  I Hate Talking: Uh, if you ask podcasting metrics.
• 5:39
  I Hate Talking: The episode count is more important.
• 5:42
  I Hate Talking: But I think 2 years shows more consistency, especially because we have recorded an episode every week for that time.
• 5:53
  I Hate Talking: So it's different than like if it was.
• 5:56
  I Hate Talking: You know, 2 years and you're doing like 1 episode here, 1 episode there.
• 6:01
  I Hate Talking: So like the fact that we've done 2 years of every week episodes, that's something different.
• 6:08
  I Hate Talking: So I think that's probably also why like the podcast community and like metrics probably are going to be more concerned with the episode count.
• 6:17
  I Hate Talking: That makes sense.
• 6:18
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 6:18
  I Hate Talking: According to our AI overview.
• 6:21
  I Hate Talking: The modern meaning of old hat is outdated, cliche, boring, or unoriginal because it's too familiar, hm.
• 6:32
  I Hate Talking: And there's a whole host of different research and theories around the etymology, but the one that seems most accepted around the early 20th century is that hats were essential fashion.
• 6:47
  I Hate Talking: But these styles quickly became passe, leading to the idea that an old hat was undesirable or unstylish.
• 6:57
  I Hate Talking: And then, particularly the writer Sir Arthur Quiller Couch used old hat to describe doctrines or ideas that had become stale or uninteresting.
• 7:08
  I Hate Talking: In 1911.
• 7:10
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 7:12
  I Hate Talking: So I thought of it as same old, same old, which is kind of the same idea, even maybe more extreme than that so just that's boring like that's really outdated outdated, yes.
• 7:25
  I Hate Talking: Cause even 67 is starting to.
• 7:30
  I Hate Talking: I feel like the little kids are really into it still.
• 7:32
  I Hate Talking: But the older kids are like over it.
• 7:35
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 7:36
  I Hate Talking: So 67 is old hat now.
• 7:38
  I Hate Talking: I suppose you're right, yes, so.
• 7:43
  I Hate Talking: Out of date, old fashioned, something worn out because of repeated use and familiarity.
• 7:49
  I Hate Talking: That seems to be the most widely accepted definition.
• 7:52
  I Hate Talking: It could also be just something familiar and well used.
• 7:56
  I Hate Talking: So there are some particular definitions.
• 8:00
  I Hate Talking: That suggests that old hat just means.
• 8:04
  I Hate Talking: Well used, so it still could be loved.
• 8:07
  I Hate Talking: And It's old, but it is something familiar versus perhaps more of the negative definitions that mean strictly out of date.
• 8:20
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 8:20
  I Hate Talking: So if something's like more of like a comfort item.
• 8:24
  I Hate Talking: Or comfort activity, it could still be an old hat.
• 8:28
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps so.
• 8:30
  I Hate Talking: But that doesn't seem to be the way that Sir Arthur Quiller Couch used it.
• 8:36
  I Hate Talking: Is that he.
• 8:38
  I Hate Talking: Use it in a way that was negative in fashion.
• 8:43
  I Hate Talking: That it was something that is no longer.
• 8:48
  I Hate Talking: Needed or even could be disgusted.
• 8:52
  I Hate Talking: So to quote his novel Brother Copa published in 1911, it says, and the difference is not that religion has ceased to teach it, for it hasn't, but that men have grown decent and put it like the doctrines, silently aside in disgust.
• 9:11
  I Hate Talking: So it has happened with Satan and his fork.
• 9:14
  I Hate Talking: They have become old hat.
• 9:16
  I Hate Talking: Would that just mean that we've heard it so many times, it doesn't even affect us.
• 9:21
  I Hate Talking: And in this particular definition, it could even become disgusting.
• 9:27
  I Hate Talking: Side note, how do you become a sir?
• 9:30
  I Hate Talking: -- That's cool if this guy's a -- sir.
• 9:32
  I Hate Talking: You gotta be knighted by the queen.
• 9:34
  I Hate Talking: How do you do that?
• 9:35
  I Hate Talking: Well, the queen, it's a king now.
• 9:37
  I Hate Talking: In England.
• 9:38
  I Hate Talking: Well, I guess you got to get knighted by the king then.
• 9:41
  I Hate Talking: That's cool.
• 9:43
  I Hate Talking: I guess so.
• 9:44
  I Hate Talking: It'd be cool to be Sir Adam.
• 9:47
  I Hate Talking: Would I automatically be like maiden or madame?
• 9:52
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 9:53
  I Hate Talking: I have no idea.
• 9:54
  I Hate Talking: I don't, I don't think it's gonna happen in our lifetime.
• 9:57
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, -- let's just move -- on.
• 9:58
  I Hate Talking: But maybe for our 100th episode, the King of England will come over and knight knight us.
• 10:03
  I Hate Talking: No, you can't knight yourself.
• 10:05
  I Hate Talking: -- It has to be done by the king or the queen -- and you knight me.
• 10:08
  I Hate Talking: No, you're not the queen and I'm not the king, but of our house we are.
• 10:12
  I Hate Talking: That's not how it works.
• 10:14
  I Hate Talking: So, how it works at the particular upside down museum is that you go through a tunnel and it almost feels like you're going upside down.
• 10:26
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it's so bizarre.
• 10:28
  I Hate Talking: It literally feels like we knew we were walking straight, but it, with the lights and Everything around you, it feels like you are flipping and walking upside down.
• 10:43
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 10:45
  I Hate Talking: So that experience was certainly not old hat.
• 10:48
  I Hate Talking: So I don't actually know the name of the museum that we're reviewing because this, like we've talked about in a few episodes in the past, we are doing an unknown number of series in reviews of different venues and franchises and things that we've visited over the last year or so, and this particular episode is about the museum that I cannot remember the name of.
• 11:11
  I Hate Talking: Well, I know it was next to Ripley's.
• 11:14
  I Hate Talking: It was, I keep calling it Ripley's, believe it or not, but it's not.
• 11:18
  I Hate Talking: It's the one next to it.
• 11:19
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, we had the option to go to both or either one.
• 11:23
  I Hate Talking: We chose this one.
• 11:24
  I Hate Talking: I know they have multiple of them.
• 11:27
  I Hate Talking: I don't know its name either.
• 11:30
  I Hate Talking: We should find out cause we need to let people know, give them their credit.
• 11:34
  I Hate Talking: And this is not a Stranger Things episode because that would sort of be like the upside down.
• 11:40
  I Hate Talking: Oh, I guess I didn't watch that too much.
• 11:42
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 11:43
  I Hate Talking: It's probably a good thing because season whatever the last season was, was sort of disappointing in my mind.
• 11:49
  I Hate Talking: Did you finish it?
• 11:50
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I even watched the documentary.
• 11:52
  I Hate Talking: Oh, -- I didn't -- know.
• 11:54
  I Hate Talking: And the documentary was like, we have no idea what we're doing.
• 11:57
  I Hate Talking: We're writing the script as we're going.
• 11:58
  I Hate Talking: Well, no kidding, because it shows.
• 12:01
  I Hate Talking: You know, one of our kids, uh, we don't let our children watch it, uh, uh, for obvious reasons.
• 12:08
  I Hate Talking: But I found out recently one of our kids watched.
• 12:11
  I Hate Talking: Commentary on it, so it was like a loophole they figured out they weren't watching the show, but they were watching someone talk about the show.
• 12:21
  I Hate Talking: So I had to circle back around and let them know that.
• 12:26
  I Hate Talking: That's still not allowed.
• 12:28
  I Hate Talking: You can't.
• 12:28
  I Hate Talking: Listen to commentary about a show that isn't allowed.
• 12:33
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 12:35
  I Hate Talking: Oh, so Wonder Works.
• 12:38
  I Hate Talking: Oh yeah, OK, that's the word, -- Wonder -- Works.
• 12:41
  I Hate Talking: There appears to be at least 5 locations of Wonder Works.
• 12:45
  I Hate Talking: So we went to one of them.
• 12:47
  I Hate Talking: And Yeah, like you said, the initial thing that you go through is sort of this tunnel that has rotating lights all around you in 360 degrees.
• 13:01
  I Hate Talking: And you're walking on this sort of.
• 13:04
  I Hate Talking: Bridge Over top of that, and it does have quite a bit of disorientation as you're going through this, but the particular thing that they have as a The thing that sets them apart is that the entire building is quote unquote upside down as it appears from the outside and then you go through the tunnel and like everything's right side up and it's just a fun thing that Makes it unique.
• 13:33
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and I mean, I don't think it's a surprise to anyone that we did our research beforehand.
• 13:39
  I Hate Talking: So we knew you needed closed-toed shoes and I'm the only girl in our family, but I couldn't wear a dress because lots of activities, just so you're listening, if you go to WonderWorks, you must have closed-toed shoes for many of the activities, and if you're a girl, you can't wear a dress or skirt.
• 13:58
  I Hate Talking: Because, uh, you're above and it lifts you up.
• 14:02
  I Hate Talking: And um that could be inappropriate.
• 14:06
  I Hate Talking: Right, there's also ropes courses and a lot of different things that are at elevations, so that would also be a problem.
• 14:16
  I Hate Talking: So we'd actually did the ropes course at this particular location, unlike the very expensive.
• 14:21
  I Hate Talking: Great wolf lodge.
• 14:23
  I Hate Talking: I think this did cost extra money.
• 14:27
  I Hate Talking: It did not.
• 14:29
  I Hate Talking: We bought the ropes course was included with the passes.
• 14:32
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, you could have done it again if you guys wanted.
• 14:34
  I Hate Talking: Wow, that's amazing.
• 14:34
  I Hate Talking: It's just part of it.
• 14:35
  I Hate Talking: It's part of it.
• 14:36
  I Hate Talking: You did have to wait in line.
• 14:37
  I Hate Talking: There was a line, but it did take a while.
• 14:40
  I Hate Talking: But there, I mean, it makes sense.
• 14:41
  I Hate Talking: It's a safety thing that they have to make sure that.
• 14:43
  I Hate Talking: You're go through the safety procedures that you're clipped in appropriately and that there's like not too many people for the workers to manage.
• 14:52
  I Hate Talking: Right, because one of our kids, we got right up to the top, our, our turn and decided it wasn't for him.
• 15:00
  I Hate Talking: So I ended up staying off with him because one, I think we've already talked about my New, developed fear of heights, and so I was not eager to get on it anyways, but also I did not want to leave him alone.
• 15:17
  I Hate Talking: He was young.
• 15:17
  I Hate Talking: And that didn't seem safe, so I stayed off with him at the last minute.
• 15:22
  I Hate Talking: And then one of our kids went and did the entire thing, basically, had a great time.
• 15:29
  I Hate Talking: You stayed with our very youngest, and needed to help him a lot.
• 15:32
  I Hate Talking: And then one of her kids went halfway.
• 15:36
  I Hate Talking: And then got scared.
• 15:38
  I Hate Talking: I'm not sure what happened.
• 15:39
  I Hate Talking: They needed a worker to come retrieve them.
• 15:42
  I Hate Talking: I think they were doing like one of the balance beam rope things and had become sort of either stuck in the middle or unsure of themselves.
• 15:52
  I Hate Talking: And like you said, I was with the younger child, so I could not immediately get to them.
• 15:57
  I Hate Talking: And the workers had said that like if you're in trouble or stuck or whatever, just call them.
• 16:04
  I Hate Talking: So I think he took that upon himself too.
• 16:07
  I Hate Talking: Make that call and they were there to help him, so no issues with that.
• 16:11
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I agree.
• 16:12
  I Hate Talking: I think he did the right thing.
• 16:13
  I Hate Talking: I'm, if I remember right, there's multiple paths you can take.
• 16:17
  I Hate Talking: And he took a path and did really well, but he got to a point where he couldn't reach with his arms, the top stuff, so he would have just been balancing.
• 16:29
  I Hate Talking: On his foot.
• 16:30
  I Hate Talking: And he did not feel comfortable doing that.
• 16:35
  I Hate Talking: And maybe if one of us was with him, we could have kind of helped him along.
• 16:41
  I Hate Talking: But because he's all by himself and couldn't reach the handles himself, he waited and got help.
• 16:48
  I Hate Talking: So I was proud of him.
• 16:49
  I Hate Talking: He did really well.
• 16:50
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 16:51
  I Hate Talking: So that was one of the things that we were able to do was a ropes course.
• 16:55
  I Hate Talking: There was also like the bubble station, where you could like make huge bubbles.
• 17:01
  I Hate Talking: That was the coolest thing I loved was that room with the animals.
• 17:07
  I Hate Talking: So first you could make your own animal, design your own animal, and it showed up on the screen, like in a safari.
• 17:14
  I Hate Talking: And it could be like a purple rhino with words on it or something like that.
• 17:20
  I Hate Talking: And then next to it was this 3D hologram, but it was a table full of sand.
• 17:27
  I Hate Talking: And if the sand was high.
• 17:31
  I Hate Talking: It was like a hill, and then if you use your hands and lowered the sand.
• 17:36
  I Hate Talking: And the hill disappeared and it was like a plains, and then if you kept digging, then it was like a trench with water.
• 17:43
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 17:44
  I Hate Talking: So that was the next thing that I was going to talk about as well was the animal creation thing where you could create your own animal and it would walk on the Serengeti and you could make a giraffe or a rhino or a hippo or whatever and color it and then deploy it to the Serengeti and it would be basically displayed through a projector system onto the wall of the museum so you could, everybody could see it.
• 18:12
  I Hate Talking: And it would walk around and do its animal thing in the Serengeti.
• 18:16
  I Hate Talking: And then the other feature that you were describing was also another one that was pretty cool where there was light projected from the ceiling and it would measure the elevation of the sand.
• 18:27
  I Hate Talking: So like you said, if it would be formed into a hill or a valley or like a lake, that it would measure the elevation of said sand and then project the related color onto the sand so that it would look like different elevations in a topography map.
• 18:46
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it was that, I liked that the most, cause I couldn't figure it out necessarily, like I've never seen anything like that, at least.
• 18:55
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 18:55
  I Hate Talking: I bet it's at every Wonder Works museum.
• 18:58
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I assume so.
• 18:59
  I Hate Talking: It certainly was at the one that we were at.
• 19:01
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and they had other stuff, tornado or earthquake simulations.
• 19:07
  I Hate Talking: They had those.
• 19:08
  I Hate Talking: Well, I think ours was a hurricane simulation, right?
• 19:11
  I Hate Talking: I think so.
• 19:12
  I Hate Talking: Yes, it was very windy.
• 19:13
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 19:14
  I Hate Talking: There's also like an astronaut suit, and then the vending machines had chocolate milk.
• 19:20
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I don't know if I knew that our kids loved it because one of them is a very big fan of chocolate milk and they were very excited that the vending machines had chocolate milk.
• 19:30
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, you don't normally find that, so that's cool.
• 19:32
  I Hate Talking: Indeed.
• 19:33
  I Hate Talking: We were talking about the ropes course earlier.
• 19:36
  I Hate Talking: One thing you're, we got a snack at the food court.
• 19:41
  I Hate Talking: The ropes course is over the food court.
• 19:44
  I Hate Talking: So that's unsettling in a way.
• 19:47
  I Hate Talking: Everyone's strapped in, but it is weird to have people climbing and walking right over your head.
• 19:56
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 19:56
  I Hate Talking: Well, I guess I wasn't that unsettled because I was one of the ones doing the walking and the climbing over the people.
• 20:02
  I Hate Talking: I, yeah, I wasn't really a patron of the food court, so I did not really experience that.
• 20:07
  I Hate Talking: Open Bay got it while you were on the ropes course, I think so, yes, I, as the kids came down.
• 20:12
  I Hate Talking: I would get them snacks.
• 20:15
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 20:15
  I Hate Talking: And then, uh, they had a Titanic simulation thing.
• 20:21
  I Hate Talking: Um, what else did they have?
• 20:24
  I Hate Talking: A ton of stuff.
• 20:25
  I Hate Talking: We could have spent, I mean, there was a lot of things there, but I think we've hit the highlights on at least what was memorable.
• 20:31
  I Hate Talking: So I guess the other things that we did there were not memorable.
• 20:35
  I Hate Talking: Oh, they had, you didn't do it.
• 20:38
  I Hate Talking: I did it with one of our kids.
• 20:39
  I Hate Talking: They had laser tag.
• 20:42
  I Hate Talking: Room and it was all decked out.
• 20:45
  I Hate Talking: And that was really fun.
• 20:47
  I Hate Talking: Nope, I did not do that one.
• 20:50
  I Hate Talking: That sounds fun.
• 20:51
  I Hate Talking: So I don't know how I missed out on that one.
• 20:54
  I Hate Talking: So Wonder Works, would you do it again and would you recommend it?
• 21:00
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I'm curious at what Ripley's Believe It or Not, would be, because maybe as an adult I would enjoy that more.
• 21:09
  I Hate Talking: But if you have kids and they enjoy all the variety of different things that they had at WonderWorks, then I think that would be something that I would do again.
• 21:20
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.