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- 0:00Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, and welcome to Saturday. Yesterday was Friday, Tomorrow Sunday.
- 0:05Speaker 1: Today's Saturday. This is Chuck. Today's episode is Mermaids not
- 0:09Speaker 1: a real thing? This from August four, and I gotta say,
- 0:16Speaker 1: I just remember thinking this is kind of an interesting podcast,
- 0:19Speaker 1: and that's why I picked it for Saturday. Enjoy, everybody.
- 0:25Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I
- 0:28Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Yeah,
- 0:38Speaker 1: that's right. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, Jerry's over there
- 0:42Speaker 1: in the ether, floating, possibly not existing, who knows. Uh.
- 0:47Speaker 1: And this is stuff you should know, that's right, Just
- 0:50Speaker 1: a couple of a couple of mermen trying to make
- 0:53Speaker 1: their way in the world, trying to keep their tails wet.
- 0:57Speaker 1: Yeah you know, yeah, that thing dries out. You've seen Splash. Yeah,
- 1:03Speaker 1: it's a actually post. She dried out and she was
- 1:06Speaker 1: just fine. Oh. I thought, oh, you're thinking of et
- 1:10Speaker 1: when he turned all white and dried out. I was
- 1:13Speaker 1: thinking a Splash because I couldn't remember. It's one of
- 1:16Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite movies as a kid.
- 1:17Speaker 1: It was a cute. Um. It was one of those
- 1:20Speaker 1: early HBO movies early Tom Hanks, which I'm a big
- 1:24Speaker 1: fan of early Tom Hanks. And um, I just thought
- 1:29Speaker 1: it was a really fun and funny movie. John Candy, Yeah,
- 1:31Speaker 1: it was a great movie. What's his name played the
- 1:34Speaker 1: evil man trying to expose her. Um, Eugene Leevy, I think, Oh,
- 1:40Speaker 1: was he the bad guy? Yeah, he was the one
- 1:41Speaker 1: that you know, that's a high quality movie when Eugene
- 1:44Speaker 1: Levy's the bad guy. Yeah, that was the SETV crew
- 1:47Speaker 1: And um, he actually tried to spray her and get
- 1:50Speaker 1: her wet so she would and in fact, kid turned
- 1:52Speaker 1: into a mermaid on the sidewalk, So that's what it was.
- 1:55Speaker 1: And she got wet, she turned in to a mermaid, right,
- 1:57Speaker 1: she got dried, no problem. Yes, And Darryl, of course,
- 2:00Speaker 1: who's running around with Neil Young? Now? Oh really? Yeah?
- 2:03Speaker 1: How about that couple? Sure? Why not? They're both environmentalists.
- 2:09Speaker 1: But there's a lot of turquoise in that bedroom. I
- 2:12Speaker 1: wonder if you hook up with Neil Young, if or
- 2:14Speaker 1: anyone like that, if if you're sort of a new
- 2:17Speaker 1: relationship and not like the wife they had for forty years,
- 2:20Speaker 1: if you're like, play a song, why don't you what like,
- 2:26Speaker 1: I wonder if you asked them to play music. Oh,
- 2:28Speaker 1: like you're actually into him? Yeah, Like if if you're
- 2:31Speaker 1: Billy Joel's new year old wife, do you ever say, like, hey, honey,
- 2:35Speaker 1: play me a tune, Play that one that you that
- 2:40Speaker 1: you wrote ten years before I was conceived. I think
- 2:43Speaker 1: I'm What I'm saying is I would have a hard
- 2:45Speaker 1: time being with Neil Young and not every night after
- 2:48Speaker 1: dinner just kind of nudging the guitar towards him, Oh,
- 2:52Speaker 1: I got you and saying I'd love to hear old Man,
- 2:56Speaker 1: please baby one for me, And yeah, he says, I've
- 2:59Speaker 1: played that song times. Yeah, I would guess that, well,
- 3:04Speaker 1: I can tell you I would. I would. Yeah, I
- 3:06Speaker 1: would guess that once you reach a certain point and
- 3:09Speaker 1: playing a song, you never want to hear that song
- 3:11Speaker 1: or even think about it existing again, but then you
- 3:15Speaker 1: still have to play it. I try not to think
- 3:17Speaker 1: about that when I'm at those shows. Yeah, it makes
- 3:20Speaker 1: me feel bad for him, like they might as well
- 3:22Speaker 1: be you know, in the monkey house or something and
- 3:25Speaker 1: you just throwing bananas at him, and God bless the
- 3:28Speaker 1: people who really bring it still where you feel like, man,
- 3:32Speaker 1: they're playing that song for me tonight, Adam Man, does
- 3:35Speaker 1: he still bring it? He's just who came to mind.
- 3:39Speaker 1: Whereas when I saw the Police on their reunion, they
- 3:41Speaker 1: were phoning it in really, even Stewart Copeland. Well, I
- 3:45Speaker 1: mean they were playing the songs, but it just it
- 3:47Speaker 1: didn't look like they were enjoying themselves at all. It
- 3:49Speaker 1: looked like a total money grab. Sure, they entered from
- 3:53Speaker 1: three separate entrances and exited from three separate and I
- 3:56Speaker 1: got the feeling they didn't even like speak much. That's
- 4:00Speaker 1: like I was reading an article on the Ramons, the
- 4:03Speaker 1: Rolling Stone one recently. Uh, yeah, I guess it was. Yeah,
- 4:06Speaker 1: they had a great article on them, so yeah, I
- 4:08Speaker 1: guess it was. It was definitely Rolling Stone. So okay,
- 4:11Speaker 1: did you read it? Yeah, then it was awesome. But yeah,
- 4:13Speaker 1: they're like they they would they would just like get
- 4:17Speaker 1: on the bus and not speak to one another, go
- 4:20Speaker 1: to the next town and get on stage and play
- 4:22Speaker 1: and then come off stage and not like they would
- 4:23Speaker 1: they would speak on stage because they had to. That
- 4:26Speaker 1: was it. Apparently, Well, at least Joey and who was
- 4:29Speaker 1: his big foil d there's those ones who really hated
- 4:32Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, supposedly they didn't speak at all for
- 4:36Speaker 1: like twenty five years straight, right, because Joey stole d
- 4:40Speaker 1: D's like love of his life and then they were
- 4:43Speaker 1: in the band together still after that it was just
- 4:45Speaker 1: like ts Man, so weird, so like a lot of songs,
- 4:49Speaker 1: especially once like the kk K Took My Baby Away.
- 4:52Speaker 1: That's about Joey stealing d D's girlfriend. Wow, it was
- 4:57Speaker 1: a great article. Yeah, good ready, um so back to Splash,
- 5:02Speaker 1: funny movie about a mermaid, and we're gonna talk about
- 5:06Speaker 1: mermaids here, and mostly what we're gonna cover is the
- 5:10Speaker 1: lore in history and the mythology of the mermaid because
- 5:14Speaker 1: there's a little giveaway there are no mermaids. What did
- 5:19Speaker 1: you look up like pictures of real mermaids sightings and stuff. Yeah,
- 5:22Speaker 1: and it's the same thing as pictures of Bigfoot sightings
- 5:24Speaker 1: and pictures of UFO sighting some weird distant blur that
- 5:27Speaker 1: like you can't it could be kelped or is such
- 5:31Speaker 1: an obviously doctored photo. What would be fun, though, is
- 5:35Speaker 1: if we had a time machine. Forget killing Hitler, forget
- 5:38Speaker 1: like back machine. Oh yeah, that's right. I can't believe
- 5:40Speaker 1: we don't put this into good use. Yeah, forget like, um,
- 5:43Speaker 1: you know, saving the world. They're keeping the Dodo from
- 5:46Speaker 1: going extinct. I would take some of these doctored photos
- 5:50Speaker 1: that are just so easy to make today back to
- 5:53Speaker 1: like the nineteen twenties and be like, look at this,
- 5:57Speaker 1: and they go, yeah, I know, we still believe in
- 5:58Speaker 1: that stuff, with your aim being what just a freak amount.
- 6:03Speaker 1: Oh I figured there'd be a money angle. Oh yeah,
- 6:06Speaker 1: Josh is traveling Wonder Wonder Emporium. It's not a bad
- 6:11Speaker 1: idea where in which you just show them photos, but
- 6:14Speaker 1: I charged them like two thousand sixteen rates and no
- 6:17Speaker 1: one can possibly afford that, So I go out of business,
- 6:20Speaker 1: like almost immediately. Right there's like one guy in the town.
- 6:22Speaker 1: It's like, I'll pay twenty seven fifty to see those right,
- 6:26Speaker 1: step right up, towns only billionaire. Um, that's a great idea.
- 6:31Speaker 1: I don't know why no one ever thought of that.
- 6:32Speaker 1: It was a terrible idea, Like from beginning to end.
- 6:36Speaker 1: Forget going back and betting on the stock market or
- 6:39Speaker 1: the outcome of the World Series. I'm gonna go back
- 6:41Speaker 1: and set up a business doom to fail. Alright, So
- 6:44Speaker 1: let's talk about mermaid uh lore. Well, we can start
- 6:49Speaker 1: here in the more modern age, because there are still
- 6:51Speaker 1: places that try and take people for money, like we
- 6:54Speaker 1: were just talking about, even like me Um in fact
- 6:58Speaker 1: uh in Israel on the coast there, Um, they actually
- 7:02Speaker 1: have a town called Kiryat Yam. And if you go
- 7:08Speaker 1: to Kiryat Yam you could win how much money does
- 7:10Speaker 1: he even say? Million bucks million American dollars if you um,
- 7:16Speaker 1: if you provide incontrovertible evidence of the mermaid that is
- 7:20Speaker 1: reputed to want to live there and appear at sunset
- 7:24Speaker 1: as of two thousand nine was the first sighting there. Yeah,
- 7:27Speaker 1: And of course what that is is is a ploy
- 7:28Speaker 1: to try and get tourists and come and spend money
- 7:30Speaker 1: in the town and look for the mermaid. Come on, chumps,
- 7:35Speaker 1: welcome you to Kiryat Yam. I'm sure lock ness has
- 7:37Speaker 1: made plenty of tourist money over the years. Apparently they
- 7:40Speaker 1: have a standing offer as well, and that's where the
- 7:43Speaker 1: mayor of Kuryot Yam got the idea great idea. And
- 7:47Speaker 1: actually I saw that photo too. It's kind of neat.
- 7:50Speaker 1: I don't know what it is or who created it
- 7:53Speaker 1: or whatever, but there's allegedly a photo taken obviously from
- 7:57Speaker 1: like a cliff down on to a beat, you know,
- 8:00Speaker 1: a beach that will have like a big just slab
- 8:04Speaker 1: of rocks surrounded by sand, sand and mermaids. Right, there's
- 8:08Speaker 1: a mermaid on that rock, just kind of looking out
- 8:10Speaker 1: in the sea. And of course it could be anything.
- 8:14Speaker 1: It could be totally doctored, who knows, um, but it's
- 8:16Speaker 1: from a distance. And at least they didn't like go
- 8:19Speaker 1: full out like perfect picture of a mermaid of Red's.
- 8:22Speaker 1: It's it's just um suggestive enough that people who believe
- 8:25Speaker 1: in such things would be like the right there, there's
- 8:28Speaker 1: a picture of a mermaid, you know, so that that
- 8:31Speaker 1: was found in two thousand nine or that surfaced in
- 8:34Speaker 1: two thousand nine, and since then the surfaced right, since
- 8:38Speaker 1: then the town's uh had that standing offer, correct? So uh.
- 8:44Speaker 1: The really the interesting thing to me about mermaids is
- 8:47Speaker 1: the mythology. Did you take mythology in college at all? Yeah?
- 8:51Speaker 1: I did. It. Always wanted it to interest me more
- 8:55Speaker 1: than it did me too. It was just I don't
- 8:58Speaker 1: know if it wasn't explain to me quite well enough,
- 9:00Speaker 1: or just the ancients non bicameral mind wasn't um fused
- 9:07Speaker 1: together enough to interest people in the modern age. Well,
- 9:10Speaker 1: I think so. I think the stories themselves, as far
- 9:13Speaker 1: as good storytelling, we're just lacking because a lot of
- 9:17Speaker 1: them were just versions of one another, and there was
- 9:21Speaker 1: usually a very basic uh premise or or moral um.
- 9:27Speaker 1: And in the case of mermaids, a lot of times
- 9:29Speaker 1: they were a lot of folksore even was rooted in misogyny.
- 9:34Speaker 1: You know how you know there'll be a woman to
- 9:36Speaker 1: come along and screw your life up right, or if
- 9:39Speaker 1: you written up a woman, um, she will kill your
- 9:43Speaker 1: children or something like that, like women were not to
- 9:45Speaker 1: be trusted, and they were murderous and duplicidus and a
- 9:48Speaker 1: lot of mythologies to the old hag so uh, it
- 9:52Speaker 1: was in various I mean hundreds and hundreds of books
- 9:57Speaker 1: and texts, including the Talmud believe it or not. And
- 10:02Speaker 1: we've talked about plenty of the Elder, the Beer and
- 10:05Speaker 1: the Dude Rome's plan of the Elder. He in his
- 10:09Speaker 1: Natural History talked about a mermaid like creature called the nereid. Yes,
- 10:15Speaker 1: I think I'm pronouncing that correctly. Yeah, in E R E.
- 10:18Speaker 1: I d that EI is a tough transition. It is
- 10:22Speaker 1: because you want to say, like Nereid. Yeah, ner Red,
- 10:27Speaker 1: these are sea nymphs, half human, half fish mermaids and um.
- 10:33Speaker 1: He also talked about c men and we should point
- 10:36Speaker 1: out that Merman we made the joke about us being Merman.
- 10:39Speaker 1: I believe Merman were even first on the literary scene.
- 10:44Speaker 1: Is that correct? Well first, at least with mythology or
- 10:47Speaker 1: um theology. I guess there's a Babylonian god of the
- 10:51Speaker 1: sea named Ea, yeah, e a sports um just e A,
- 10:57Speaker 1: and he pops up in uh Babylonian mythology from I
- 11:03Speaker 1: think four thousand years ago, and they think that he's
- 11:06Speaker 1: actually the progenitor of or the predecessor I should say,
- 11:10Speaker 1: of Poseidon, who is the Greek god of the sea,
- 11:13Speaker 1: and Neptune, who's the Roman god of the sea. Because
- 11:16Speaker 1: the Greeks gave us Western culture, but they just walked
- 11:19Speaker 1: around to all of the neighboring cultures and picked their
- 11:22Speaker 1: favorite parts and put them together, and that was definitely
- 11:26Speaker 1: one of them. Yeah. Yeah, uh, well we talked in
- 11:31Speaker 1: our I guess it was in the folklore and fairy
- 11:34Speaker 1: tale episodes that were twin episodes almost um about the
- 11:40Speaker 1: original Little Mermaid and how you know she was disnified
- 11:46Speaker 1: to the fullest, but the original story was far darker, darker,
- 11:50Speaker 1: but also even more touching by far like, I went
- 11:54Speaker 1: back and read the last um the last like section
- 11:58Speaker 1: of it. Well, give me a summary at the So
- 12:00Speaker 1: at the end, this is where dramatically differs from the
- 12:03Speaker 1: Disney story. The little Mermaid is scorned for another woman
- 12:08Speaker 1: her the guy she loves chooses someone else and marries her,
- 12:14Speaker 1: and the Little Mermaid is like, dude, I gave up
- 12:16Speaker 1: my tail for you, I think, which has my tongue
- 12:20Speaker 1: kind of thing um, and I want to get back
- 12:23Speaker 1: my life. So her sisters came and bring her this
- 12:26Speaker 1: ritual knife and say, you can convert back to a
- 12:30Speaker 1: mermaid if before dawn you plunge this knife into this
- 12:35Speaker 1: dude's heart, this guy who loves heart, and you get
- 12:38Speaker 1: some of his blood on your feet, you will regrow
- 12:41Speaker 1: your tail and you can jump into the sea and
- 12:43Speaker 1: everything will be just fine again. So she goes and
- 12:46Speaker 1: she finds the guy sleeping with his new bride beside him,
- 12:50Speaker 1: and she just can't do it. She throws the knife
- 12:53Speaker 1: into the sea and um becomes c foam. She disintegrates
- 12:58Speaker 1: and becomes c foam. So she gives her her own
- 13:01Speaker 1: happiness up for this guy's right and dies as a result.
- 13:05Speaker 1: But even better than that, when she turns into sea foam,
- 13:08Speaker 1: she becomes a different mythical creature, uh like basically an
- 13:13Speaker 1: air nymph that goes around like helping humans um and
- 13:17Speaker 1: she can possibly get into heaven if she helps people
- 13:21Speaker 1: um for three hundred years. Hans Christian Andersen wrote it
- 13:25Speaker 1: way better than I just recounted it a lot less
- 13:28Speaker 1: ums and likes, but it's it's pretty it's worth reading. Uh.
- 13:34Speaker 1: Plenty also talked about merman um back in the day,
- 13:38Speaker 1: and there would be merman or seamen who would at
- 13:42Speaker 1: night climb up onto ships as a quote that so
- 13:45Speaker 1: I'm reading it weird, upon which the side of the
- 13:47Speaker 1: vessel where he seated himself would instantly sink downward, and
- 13:50Speaker 1: if you remain there any considerable time, even go underwater.
- 13:54Speaker 1: And that was something that we will see as we
- 13:57Speaker 1: talk more about mermaids is they are um very They're
- 14:02Speaker 1: often either an omen that's something bad is going to
- 14:04Speaker 1: happen to sailors or coastal dwelling people, or they actually
- 14:08Speaker 1: directly cause harm two sailors or coastal dwelling people. Yeah,
- 14:14Speaker 1: and most times under the guys of something beautiful and
- 14:19Speaker 1: like a siren. Um, they are often Well, I don't
- 14:23Speaker 1: we haven't even described one. Surely you know that a
- 14:25Speaker 1: mermaid has the head and body torso of a of
- 14:29Speaker 1: a woman, human woman, usually with huge boobs. Yeah, if
- 14:34Speaker 1: you're talking about a sailor's account, sure, yeah, she was busty.
- 14:38Speaker 1: Did I mention the boobs? Yes, you did, sir seven times? Um?
- 14:44Speaker 1: And uh from the you know torso down she's a
- 14:48Speaker 1: fish maybe web feet maybe not very graceful, very fast
- 14:54Speaker 1: and always beautiful. Uh, it depends. Oh yeah, yeah. There
- 15:00Speaker 1: were some of legend that we're not ugly really yeah,
- 15:05Speaker 1: not ugly, or that they were not in parentheses beautiful
- 15:10Speaker 1: comma ugly. Uh. Well, I hadn't heard about that. Yeah,
- 15:15Speaker 1: it's it's in here. I thought. I'm just I must
- 15:18Speaker 1: have missed that part. It's it's it's far more frequent
- 15:21Speaker 1: what you were saying, that they were beautiful and alluring. Um,
- 15:24Speaker 1: but we'll talk more about that after we take a break. Huh.
- 15:53Speaker 1: All right, Chuck. We were saying that, for the most part,
- 15:55Speaker 1: mermaids are beautiful and one of the reasons why they
- 15:59Speaker 1: are supposed to be beautiful is because they are frequently
- 16:02Speaker 1: um accused of luring men sailors out to see to
- 16:09Speaker 1: their death. Yeah, and how you do that? You do
- 16:11Speaker 1: that one of two ways. You have a beautiful singing voice,
- 16:14Speaker 1: or you just straight up look good yourself. That's right.
- 16:18Speaker 1: And if you have a beautiful singing voice, you're a siren,
- 16:20Speaker 1: in which case you would not be a mermaid because
- 16:23Speaker 1: the siren is half bird, half woman, and they don't
- 16:26Speaker 1: even necessarily live in the water or near the water.
- 16:30Speaker 1: They're sometimes described as hanging out in fields. I guess
- 16:34Speaker 1: sometimes you can be very pretty and be a good singer, right,
- 16:39Speaker 1: your mermaid? But the yeah you could be, Yeah, sure
- 16:45Speaker 1: you'd be. Who am I to disagree? Or Alicia Keys
- 16:51Speaker 1: or Adele? Oh you know who I like his? Uh Rihanna?
- 16:56Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's great man, very pretty. That part in
- 17:00Speaker 1: uh what's it called this at the end and she
- 17:03Speaker 1: played herself, Yeah, yeah, she's pretty great. She was pretty funny.
- 17:07Speaker 1: Michael Sarah likes bank her and she just immediately turned
- 17:09Speaker 1: around and smacked the heck out of him. Yeah. I
- 17:11Speaker 1: enjoyed parts of that movie, especially Michael Sarah. Yeah, playing
- 17:15Speaker 1: like a cooked out jerk. That was really funny. Um,
- 17:19Speaker 1: So back to the beautiful mermaids though, Uh there there
- 17:24Speaker 1: was one and one thousand BC in Syria. And her name,
- 17:27Speaker 1: how would you pronounce that? At her gaddis? Oh, I
- 17:30Speaker 1: think you nailed it. Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll go
- 17:32Speaker 1: with that. And she and you'll you'll see a lot
- 17:35Speaker 1: of duality a lot of these stories. And she was
- 17:37Speaker 1: one for sure. That was a protector, a goddess. I
- 17:41Speaker 1: think she protected the fertility of her people and um
- 17:45Speaker 1: watched over them and uh, fell in love with a
- 17:49Speaker 1: human man, as you will often see in a lot
- 17:51Speaker 1: of these stories. Dude, yeah, dude, and it and it
- 17:54Speaker 1: was fine for a little while, like in most stories,
- 17:57Speaker 1: and then it goes south and she kills him. She
- 18:01Speaker 1: crushed him with her greatness. Oh I thought, like her
- 18:06Speaker 1: big tail or something. I don't know. Well, she wasn't
- 18:09Speaker 1: a mermaid yet. This is where she becomes. That's right,
- 18:11Speaker 1: I forgot about that. So um, she accidentally kills him
- 18:15Speaker 1: and then his very shamed throws herself into the lake
- 18:18Speaker 1: because she wants to become a fish, and she's so
- 18:22Speaker 1: beautiful that it only works half as good. I really
- 18:26Speaker 1: can't figure out the math on that. But I guess
- 18:29Speaker 1: she's just so beautiful that the human beauty part of hers, like, no,
- 18:32Speaker 1: I won't be a fish, just the lower half can
- 18:35Speaker 1: be a fish. Yeah, because she had to fungus, so
- 18:37Speaker 1: that was easily overcome, but her face was really nice,
- 18:40Speaker 1: so the fish part just couldn't overcome that. That's right,
- 18:44Speaker 1: So she ended up a mermaid. Weird story. Well, that's
- 18:47Speaker 1: just weird, like like oh, it's foreign or anything. I'm
- 18:51Speaker 1: not being xenophobic, but it really like says a lot
- 18:55Speaker 1: about like humanity and like how we think of things like, no,
- 19:00Speaker 1: he was so good looking that this magic couldn't even
- 19:03Speaker 1: overcome that. You know that point. We place a lot
- 19:07Speaker 1: of value on that kind of thing. Uh, all right,
- 19:10Speaker 1: should we move on to Germany? Yeah? This one was
- 19:14Speaker 1: kind of interesting to me because Germany's landlocked. I never
- 19:18Speaker 1: really thought about it. What does Germany have a mermaid mythology? Well,
- 19:23Speaker 1: I mean they have lakes, I guess, but mermaids are
- 19:28Speaker 1: ocean dwellers, aren't they know? There are some river dwellers. Oh,
- 19:31Speaker 1: that's right, although I think the sirens were specifically river. Well,
- 19:36Speaker 1: then in the German myth that was a river dweller. Correct, Okay, yeah,
- 19:39Speaker 1: the Nixes. Uh yeah, and they lured men into the river. Yeah,
- 19:44Speaker 1: it was a river, and so they could drown them,
- 19:47Speaker 1: like again the call of the siren. Come in here.
- 19:49Speaker 1: Look how beautiful I am. And now I'm holding your
- 19:53Speaker 1: head underwater and you can't breathe anymore. And the guys like,
- 19:56Speaker 1: I regret nothing. But this duality that we're talking about
- 20:03Speaker 1: is uh what you see a lot of times in
- 20:05Speaker 1: mermaid myths from West Africa. The Mommy Wada, the mother Water.
- 20:12Speaker 1: She was a mermaid who was very nurturing and very
- 20:15Speaker 1: loving if you didn't cross her. Yeah, exactly. That's where
- 20:21Speaker 1: the duality comes in. I don't even know that's duality.
- 20:23Speaker 1: I think that's just a complex person, good, good complex
- 20:27Speaker 1: character there. Yeah, yeah, so she's great, but when you
- 20:30Speaker 1: cross her, she's murderous. Sure, all right, And that's what
- 20:35Speaker 1: she did. Actually, she had If you were loyal to her,
- 20:38Speaker 1: she would you could be wealthy from her magic mirror
- 20:40Speaker 1: and comb. But if you betrayed her, then what this
- 20:45Speaker 1: article says is she reigns down fury and destruction right
- 20:50Speaker 1: word from above. But the duality is as an important
- 20:53Speaker 1: part of it because the the physical creature itself is
- 20:57Speaker 1: two things, and they are also too things emotionally. And
- 21:02Speaker 1: but so the mermaid, the mermaid or mermaid or murf
- 21:05Speaker 1: folk as their call in this article. Yeah so mrf
- 21:09Speaker 1: folks are half fish half people, right, But they're not
- 21:13Speaker 1: anywhere near unique in the pantheon of mythological creatures throughout
- 21:21Speaker 1: the ages. Right, there's again, there's sirens, half birds, half women.
- 21:25Speaker 1: There's there's just tons of hat like them. The minataur
- 21:29Speaker 1: half man, half bull. The centaur was what half go
- 21:32Speaker 1: or horse and half man. I don't remember that sounds right,
- 21:36Speaker 1: I think half horse um. And I was like, where
- 21:40Speaker 1: did all these come from? I suspected beast reality, And
- 21:45Speaker 1: it turns out I may be right. Yeah, yeah, you
- 21:48Speaker 1: find there are some scholars out there who believe that
- 21:50Speaker 1: this is the product of a much more relaxed attitude
- 21:55Speaker 1: towards beast reality than we modern humans have today. Yeah. Yeah,
- 22:01Speaker 1: I still never saw that documentary about the horse. Yeah
- 22:05Speaker 1: it's a good one, zoo. Yeah, I need that fell
- 22:07Speaker 1: off my radar. Man. It's one of those ones where
- 22:09Speaker 1: they largely to recreate, Like the whole thing is almost recreation,
- 22:14Speaker 1: And I usually am not hip on those. It doesn't
- 22:16Speaker 1: feel like a documentary to me, But that one changed
- 22:18Speaker 1: my mind about that whole technique that they did it
- 22:21Speaker 1: so well. It's rough. It's rough, especially like when you
- 22:28Speaker 1: think about you know, the animals as well. Yeah, of
- 22:30Speaker 1: course you know, but there's more than just that that
- 22:33Speaker 1: makes it rough. I need to see that, um So.
- 22:37Speaker 1: I guess we can talk a little bit about some
- 22:39Speaker 1: eyewitness accounts. They're all bunk, of course, but they have
- 22:43Speaker 1: happened in World War two in Japan on Indonesia's Kai Islands. Uh.
- 22:49Speaker 1: Supposedly they encountered a monster on the beach that had
- 22:52Speaker 1: you know, webbed hands and feet and was kind of
- 22:55Speaker 1: part human part fish. It was like, look at these
- 22:57Speaker 1: jazz hands. You can't do this. And then back in
- 23:00Speaker 1: the day, uh, some of our most revered explorers and
- 23:06Speaker 1: adventurer adventurers reported seeing mermaids, like John Smith and Henry
- 23:12Speaker 1: Huntson and Columbus him, Yeah, what was There's a good
- 23:18Speaker 1: quote in here from Columbus because he wasn't too impressed.
- 23:22Speaker 1: He said, and here's the thing. I read that in
- 23:24Speaker 1: his diary. He's referring to himself in the third person. Well,
- 23:28Speaker 1: that says a lot. That's odd. He's like Ricky Henderson, right,
- 23:31Speaker 1: or George Costanza. So he says that he saw some
- 23:36Speaker 1: oh yeah, the quote cent and you got to read
- 23:38Speaker 1: the quote. He's sailing around, not that it e Oh
- 23:42Speaker 1: what is that in the ocean? I think I'll take
- 23:44Speaker 1: a look through my spye glass. The day before when
- 23:47Speaker 1: the admiral was going to the and the admiral is himself, Yeah,
- 23:51Speaker 1: that's what I'm thinking. He was the admiral of his
- 23:53Speaker 1: fillet for sure. The day before when the admiral was
- 23:55Speaker 1: going on to the Rio del Oro, that's the river
- 24:00Speaker 1: old he said he saw three mermaids who came quite
- 24:02Speaker 1: high out of the water. But we're not as pretty
- 24:05Speaker 1: as they are depicted. For somehow, in the face they
- 24:08Speaker 1: look like men. But I still thought about it. Yeah. So,
- 24:14Speaker 1: and what they think now, and I don't know how
- 24:16Speaker 1: they substantiated this, is that Columpus was seeing manatees. Yeah.
- 24:22Speaker 1: Have you seen manatees? Yeah, it looks nothing like a human.
- 24:25Speaker 1: From enough of a distance, though, you're like, wait, what
- 24:28Speaker 1: is that, especially if you've never seen a manatee before.
- 24:31Speaker 1: I don't think it looks human like at all. But
- 24:33Speaker 1: from enough of a distance. Yeah, I can see how
- 24:38Speaker 1: somebody would, especially if you believe that mermaids existed. You
- 24:42Speaker 1: see a manatee, maybe it's hard for me to totally
- 24:45Speaker 1: get that go there in that put my mind in
- 24:47Speaker 1: that kind of frame, in the frame of Christopher Columbus, well,
- 24:50Speaker 1: just to have never seen a mermaid, to have never
- 24:52Speaker 1: seen a manatee, to be high on on the aarrow
- 24:58Speaker 1: wax scalps, like I just blanked on the green marijuana,
- 25:05Speaker 1: the green, the green drink absinthe I don't think Absinthe
- 25:10Speaker 1: was around with Columbus. Are you kidding me? No, I'm not.
- 25:14Speaker 1: You're shooting that stuff. Kind of see it. Uh so
- 25:19Speaker 1: he maybe saw a manatee. I was like, yeah, they're
- 25:22Speaker 1: not so great looking. After all, they're not that great.
- 25:24Speaker 1: What's everyone talking about? Uh? Yeah, he saw one. This
- 25:29Speaker 1: is like Jimmy Carter in the UFOs. Like you're kind
- 25:32Speaker 1: of surprised when you hear this that somebody sited it.
- 25:35Speaker 1: Apparently Reagan said he saw UFOs as well. Uh. John
- 25:40Speaker 1: Smith said he saw some. He liked what he saw.
- 25:43Speaker 1: He liked the look of the manatees because he said
- 25:45Speaker 1: he fell in love with one with long green hair. Yeah,
- 25:48Speaker 1: he said it was it wasn't bad looking, or it
- 25:50Speaker 1: wasn't unattractive or something like that. Yeah, it was kind
- 25:54Speaker 1: of a head. He hedged his bets a little bit.
- 25:56Speaker 1: I guess he wanted to check the rest of her
- 25:58Speaker 1: out and then he saw she had a tale, is like, oh,
- 26:02Speaker 1: I can't go there, So what's going on here? They're
- 26:05Speaker 1: hallucinating because they've been on the high seas too long.
- 26:08Speaker 1: That's what a lot of people say. Um, other people
- 26:12Speaker 1: say that again, they were predisposed to believing in mermaids
- 26:16Speaker 1: because people thought mermaids existed. This were This was the
- 26:19Speaker 1: age of exploration, So it's the beginning of the age
- 26:22Speaker 1: of exploration, which means that before then the oceans were
- 26:26Speaker 1: largely unexplored and there were tons of beliefs in thousands
- 26:30Speaker 1: year thousands of year old mythologies about creatures that lived
- 26:34Speaker 1: in the sea. So if you thought that those things existed,
- 26:38Speaker 1: then something that looked kind of like a mermaid could
- 26:41Speaker 1: be a mermaid. So that was probably if they were
- 26:44Speaker 1: just they're just cases of mistaken identity. They were highly suggestible. Yeah,
- 26:50Speaker 1: we did. Yeah, that was a good one. I thought
- 26:53Speaker 1: that one was going to be awful and it turned
- 26:55Speaker 1: out pretty great episode. Like I remember remember thinking like
- 27:00Speaker 1: this is not going to go well and kind like
- 27:02Speaker 1: kind of like this one. Yeah, how do you think
- 27:04Speaker 1: this one's going pretty great? All right, let's take a
- 27:07Speaker 1: break then and uh give each other a neck rub,
- 27:11Speaker 1: and we'll come back more comfortable than ever. All Right,
- 27:40Speaker 1: there is a dude. I love this guy. His name
- 27:44Speaker 1: is Carl Bants and he did not Carl Bands fan. Well,
- 27:50Speaker 1: I just I'm not quite sure I understand unless did
- 27:53Speaker 1: you read the go ahead the article? Well, just to
- 27:55Speaker 1: set it up. Okay, So dude named Carl Bants back,
- 27:59Speaker 1: he wrote a an article in a legitimate journal, the
- 28:04Speaker 1: Journal Limnology and Oceanography. Um, and they published it. And
- 28:09Speaker 1: it is an entirely tongue in cheek but totally played
- 28:12Speaker 1: straight account of the extinct species mermaid. Yeah. Like wherein
- 28:19Speaker 1: he he surmises on like for real, where they came from,
- 28:23Speaker 1: what their biology was, where they while they left us? Yep,
- 28:27Speaker 1: that they were warm water dwelling, that they ate human flesh,
- 28:32Speaker 1: which is why they lured people to their death. Um.
- 28:35Speaker 1: He goes so far as to say that they um
- 28:38Speaker 1: most likely only produced one or two offspring at a
- 28:41Speaker 1: time because the females of the of the species had
- 28:46Speaker 1: two breasts, and that was it. Okay, you know, sure, um,
- 28:50Speaker 1: Like this is the thought that this guy put into
- 28:52Speaker 1: this this article, and the fact that he writes it
- 28:55Speaker 1: totally straight and like really gives it its due attention,
- 28:59Speaker 1: Like it wasn't that that, like this is gonna be
- 29:01Speaker 1: a great idea, and just the idea itself is hilarious,
- 29:04Speaker 1: so I don't really have to put any effort into
- 29:05Speaker 1: actual execution. He put effort into the execution and it did.
- 29:09Speaker 1: He did pretty good. I'm not knocking him. I guess.
- 29:11Speaker 1: I just don't see why this journal would put something
- 29:14Speaker 1: like that out there. Even I don't know. I mean,
- 29:16Speaker 1: I guess he had a good sense of humor and
- 29:17Speaker 1: they were Maybe it was the April Fools episode. I
- 29:20Speaker 1: was wondering if that was the case too, and I
- 29:22Speaker 1: forgot to look if it was the April issue. Perhaps
- 29:25Speaker 1: he did use the words horny skinfolds though, right, their
- 29:30Speaker 1: skin and he theorized was not smooth, smooth scaled like
- 29:34Speaker 1: a regular fish. But I had quote horny skinfolds like
- 29:37Speaker 1: an armadillo. Yeah. What's interesting is I saw another account
- 29:42Speaker 1: from eighteen thirty in Scotland. There's a kind of a
- 29:46Speaker 1: town called Benbecula on the Outer Hebrides, right, which is
- 29:52Speaker 1: like the outer Islands, the Arca Archipelago. It's archipelago. That's
- 29:58Speaker 1: how you say that, right, Ture arcapela ago. Yeah, either way,
- 30:02Speaker 1: there's a town there, string of islands, coastal thank you,
- 30:05Speaker 1: the coastal town where in eighteen thirty the whole town
- 30:09Speaker 1: swore they saw a mermaid and tried to grab the mermaid,
- 30:13Speaker 1: and the mermaid swam away. So some kid threw a
- 30:15Speaker 1: rock at it and hit it in its back, and
- 30:18Speaker 1: two days later they found it dead on shore and
- 30:20Speaker 1: they felt so bad about it that they they they
- 30:26Speaker 1: buried it. They gave it a funeral with like a
- 30:28Speaker 1: casket and everything, and um they said that it didn't
- 30:32Speaker 1: have scales, that it had like kind of rough skin
- 30:35Speaker 1: instead hornie skinfold. Yeah, they didn't use that term. But
- 30:39Speaker 1: this is like a thing in eighteen thirty in Scotland. Yeah,
- 30:42Speaker 1: pretty interesting that when you read the account of it
- 30:45Speaker 1: years later. The band name by the Wayne Skinfolds. Yeah,
- 30:51Speaker 1: that is interesting. Uh, maybe there's something there, right, I
- 30:57Speaker 1: had to keep the folds of the arny skinfold clean
- 31:01Speaker 1: you know, but like gunk gets trapped in there. I
- 31:04Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe that's the name of the first single
- 31:07Speaker 1: cleaning the folds. The other thing um that A Bants
- 31:11Speaker 1: did in his article was explained probably why they're extinct.
- 31:16Speaker 1: Now he came to the conclust right their extinct um.
- 31:19Speaker 1: He said they were warm water, so they would have
- 31:21Speaker 1: cohabitated or shared the their ecosystem with jellyfish. And as
- 31:26Speaker 1: humans started to fish more and more of the sea, um,
- 31:30Speaker 1: we upset the ecological balance. Jellyfish populations were allowed to boom,
- 31:34Speaker 1: which is the case, and they stung the mermaids to death.
- 31:38Speaker 1: Because the mermaids had they lacked the blubber that would
- 31:41Speaker 1: protect them not just in cold water, but from jellyfish
- 31:44Speaker 1: stings as well. So they died out from jellyfish stings. Yeah,
- 31:47Speaker 1: because their their upper skin was just regular skin. It
- 31:50Speaker 1: wasn't the horny skin folds, so it provided no protection exactly.
- 31:55Speaker 1: It's worth reading. Go check it out. It's called Mermaids
- 31:58Speaker 1: the Biology. Their biology coal True in Demise. You can
- 32:01Speaker 1: find like the full pdf online. Well, I think we
- 32:03Speaker 1: have to address the animal planet snaphoo. I don't know
- 32:07Speaker 1: if they would call it a snaphoo, I think they
- 32:09Speaker 1: would call it a ratings bonanza. Yeah, Which what was
- 32:13Speaker 1: the other when we talked about the Megalodon when Discovery
- 32:16Speaker 1: Channel aired a Megalodon documentary that appeared by all accounts
- 32:20Speaker 1: to be true and was not the same thing with Mermaids,
- 32:24Speaker 1: But they did it twice. They did they did a
- 32:27Speaker 1: sequel because it got like you said, huge ratings and uh,
- 32:32Speaker 1: this was a documentary. Um, well, not a documentary. It
- 32:36Speaker 1: was a mockumentary that looked like did you watch any
- 32:40Speaker 1: clips or anything of the second one? Yeah? Yeah, I
- 32:43Speaker 1: mean it looked like, you know, a show like a
- 32:46Speaker 1: hunting Bigfoot crew. It's like, you know, we got this mermaid,
- 32:49Speaker 1: we know where she is, and we're down here hunting
- 32:51Speaker 1: and the three thousand feet yeah, below the surface. Yeah,
- 32:55Speaker 1: and they interviewed a guy that looked like Zack Gallifinakis.
- 32:58Speaker 1: If only it would have been Zacal Fineckis, it would
- 33:01Speaker 1: have made it much better. But um, you know then
- 33:03Speaker 1: it was one of these shows where at the end
- 33:05Speaker 1: and small lettering it was right, not me small, but
- 33:07Speaker 1: at the end of the credits, it's like this was
- 33:10Speaker 1: all made up. These are actors and yeah, but if
- 33:14Speaker 1: you go online, people are still like arguing over the
- 33:18Speaker 1: the legitimacy or credentials of the marine geologist Torsten Schmidt's
- 33:24Speaker 1: name it is um and people are like, well, if
- 33:27Speaker 1: he were a real scientist, he would have been published
- 33:29Speaker 1: elsewhere besides this, and he's not published, and it's like
- 33:32Speaker 1: that's because he's not real. He's made up. Yeah, this
- 33:35Speaker 1: is like settled. Right. They didn't even pretend that it
- 33:38Speaker 1: was real, So I don't I don't know if that's
- 33:40Speaker 1: the case or not, because I mean, they said it
- 33:42Speaker 1: wasn't on the at the end of the show, okay,
- 33:44Speaker 1: but they didn't come out and say everybody, everybody, well right,
- 33:48Speaker 1: it's so Actually Noah, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
- 33:53Speaker 1: had to release in They felt they needed to release
- 33:56Speaker 1: a statement after the first one saying like, hey, um,
- 34:00Speaker 1: her maids don't exist. No evidence has ever been found.
- 34:03Speaker 1: We're Noah the end, And I bet they love that
- 34:06Speaker 1: even show. Yeah, oh my god, Noah's making a statement. Yeah,
- 34:10Speaker 1: it's gonna be all over the news, right, And so
- 34:12Speaker 1: I guess enough people bought it and and um bought
- 34:15Speaker 1: into it that they were able to release a sequel,
- 34:17Speaker 1: and in the sequel, the reason they released the sequel
- 34:20Speaker 1: was because Torsten Schmidt had footage of a webbed hand
- 34:24Speaker 1: like smacking the windshield that was little like um underwater
- 34:30Speaker 1: subw man sub um and then swimming off. And so
- 34:34Speaker 1: they just kept showing that over and over and over again,
- 34:37Speaker 1: and it was Sack Gallif and Akis. He did look
- 34:41Speaker 1: like him, Tony a lot um. I thought you were
- 34:44Speaker 1: going to say that it was found out when Torsten
- 34:46Speaker 1: Schmidt showed up on a episode of Two Broke Girls
- 34:49Speaker 1: the next week. Right, it's like a waiter and a
- 34:52Speaker 1: progressive insurance add it's like customer and over two exactly.
- 34:56Speaker 1: There's one other sighting. I wanted to mention this one,
- 34:58Speaker 1: the second for my favor after the Scottish one. It
- 35:02Speaker 1: was in Adam, Netherlands. Is it eat him? Sure? Like
- 35:05Speaker 1: the cheese? Yeah? Okay. Um. Two girls were like rowing
- 35:11Speaker 1: their boats and found a mermaid and took it home
- 35:15Speaker 1: and dressed it up as a little girl and taught
- 35:16Speaker 1: it to live on land. But it remained mute its
- 35:19Speaker 1: whole life. Yeah, but isn't that cute? That very cute.
- 35:23Speaker 1: They're like, you're coming home with us, Oh, you've got
- 35:25Speaker 1: a family. Ts, we got a family too, and it's
- 35:28Speaker 1: your new family. And they just made that story up
- 35:30Speaker 1: and told people and it survived. I guess interesting, although
- 35:34Speaker 1: they didn't they supported they didn't apparently like they matriculated
- 35:38Speaker 1: the mermaid into human society there. But we're talking fourteen thirty,
- 35:42Speaker 1: so who knows what was going on. They were eating.
- 35:46Speaker 1: They probably got their hands on on somebody who was
- 35:48Speaker 1: like who knows, and they're like, oh, mermaid, this is
- 35:53Speaker 1: a mermaid. Oh, just someone who had some sort of
- 35:55Speaker 1: physical and made them come live with them, just as
- 36:00Speaker 1: a girl for the rest of their life, like Schlitze
- 36:02Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, like we did in the Freak shows.
- 36:04Speaker 1: They would just call them, make up whatever animal they
- 36:07Speaker 1: wanted to. That was another great episode. Two are you
- 36:12Speaker 1: just recounting the good ones while we do this one?
- 36:15Speaker 1: Just to remind people it gets better? So being a
- 36:19Speaker 1: mermaid is an actual job you can get if you
- 36:22Speaker 1: back in the day. In the nineteen forties and fifties,
- 36:25Speaker 1: it was a big hit, uh to go to a
- 36:28Speaker 1: like a sea park and have mermaid shows, and specifically
- 36:31Speaker 1: one in is it wiki Watchie Springs? Yeah, WEEKI Watchee
- 36:35Speaker 1: Springs Florida near Tampa. And uh, it was a booming
- 36:39Speaker 1: business back then. They said, um, between half million and
- 36:43Speaker 1: a million tourists every year, including big famous people like
- 36:47Speaker 1: Elvis Presley and Don Knots. Yeah, those are the two
- 36:50Speaker 1: they mentioned. Those two would trash and place together. Oh
- 36:53Speaker 1: I bet Don gets into the whiskey. It's all over. Um.
- 36:59Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a huge steal back then. They're
- 37:00Speaker 1: still doing it there today. But it is a real job.
- 37:03Speaker 1: You can um, you can go if you're a great swimmer,
- 37:08Speaker 1: like you have to know what you're doing. Oh yeah,
- 37:10Speaker 1: Like it seems like, oh, yeah, you just put on
- 37:12Speaker 1: that that tail, but that tail is is heavy and awkward.
- 37:15Speaker 1: Well but yeah, and plus like somewhat buoyant swimming with
- 37:18Speaker 1: your legs together. Yeah, that's hard, very difficult. Yeah, it's
- 37:22Speaker 1: not an easy job from what I can tell. Yeah,
- 37:24Speaker 1: so apparently once you put like they look very graceful,
- 37:27Speaker 1: uh swimming around in those things. But you go put
- 37:30Speaker 1: one on and get in a pool and see what happens.
- 37:33Speaker 1: Right in this article, I think rightly points out that
- 37:36Speaker 1: the professional mermaids that you see today are um like
- 37:41Speaker 1: this is from years and years and years of practice,
- 37:43Speaker 1: Like they didn't just get in the water and they're like, yeah,
- 37:46Speaker 1: I'm a natural, yeah exactly. Um, it's really awkward. And
- 37:50Speaker 1: you also have to know how to hold your breath
- 37:51Speaker 1: like a mo like a mo yeah it's not myself,
- 37:57Speaker 1: Yeah you do. And you have to learn how to
- 37:58Speaker 1: swim the mermaid crawl, which is what they name it.
- 38:02Speaker 1: But you know it's not like regular swimming. Uh yeah, right,
- 38:06Speaker 1: you know. And you can make a little dough too,
- 38:09Speaker 1: a little bit. It said. You can be hired like
- 38:12Speaker 1: as a one off for a party. What is that?
- 38:13Speaker 1: Like you go to like a neighborhood pool and everyone
- 38:17Speaker 1: gathers around, like, look at the mermaid claps out of rhythm.
- 38:20Speaker 1: That's so fun. You're like, what do you guys want
- 38:22Speaker 1: me to do? I guess you can do that. But
- 38:25Speaker 1: the most mostly what I've seen are like the shows
- 38:28Speaker 1: in some like Sleepy Florida town right like Gator Farm
- 38:32Speaker 1: and the start in the in the WEEKI watching Mermaids
- 38:36Speaker 1: or like at resorts or something like that. Yeah, back
- 38:39Speaker 1: when they used to love that kind of thing. Uh.
- 38:43Speaker 1: And some of these um professional mermaids apparently use their
- 38:47Speaker 1: uh status as a soapbox for ecology and efforts to
- 38:51Speaker 1: keep the oceans clean. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, there
- 38:54Speaker 1: seems to be a real thread of that running through
- 38:56Speaker 1: the professional mermaid culture. You're like an eco activists. That's
- 39:02Speaker 1: a decent band name too, professional mermaid culture. Yeah, this
- 39:07Speaker 1: one was rich with bands name Horny Skinfolds. Yeah. Uh,
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