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- 1:29Speaker 2: On Sunday, October seventeenth, twenty twenty one, a thirty nine
- 1:34Speaker 2: year old mother of one named Heidi Plank was starting
- 1:36Speaker 2: her day. Heidi was leaving her rented townhouse on the
- 1:40Speaker 2: west side of Los Angeles near Culver City. She was
- 1:44Speaker 2: on her way to watch her eleven year old son
- 1:46Speaker 2: Bond play football. Heidi, by the way, was a huge
- 1:50Speaker 2: James Bond fan, so that's how she chose her son's
- 1:53Speaker 2: and her dog's names based on the double O seven theme.
- 1:56Speaker 2: So her son was Bond and her labradoodle was seven,
- 1:59Speaker 2: like double O seven. Surveillance camera footage from outside Heidie's
- 2:03Speaker 2: house showed her walking out the door. She was dressed
- 2:06Speaker 2: in jeans and a white T shirt with a smiley
- 2:08Speaker 2: face on it. She had a sweater tied around her
- 2:11Speaker 2: waist and it was described in the media as gray,
- 2:14Speaker 2: but it was actually more like a grayish color, kind
- 2:16Speaker 2: of a gray beige. Heidie was petite. She had long
- 2:20Speaker 2: blonde hair. She was five foot three and was carrying
- 2:23Speaker 2: a purse with her. She was holding a cup of
- 2:26Speaker 2: coffee in one hand, and seven, her dog, was on
- 2:29Speaker 2: his leash walking behind her. She put Seven in the
- 2:33Speaker 2: car and climbed behind the wheel of the silver range
- 2:36Speaker 2: Rover with a license plate U eight four zero XO,
- 2:40Speaker 2: and drove away. Heidi was divorced from Bond's father, Her
- 2:44Speaker 2: ex husband, a sixty three year old hairstylist named Jim Wayne.
- 2:48Speaker 2: Jim had a salon in Beverly Hills. Jim and Heidi
- 2:51Speaker 2: were married in two thousand and eight, but they divorced
- 2:54Speaker 2: four years later, and at the time Heidi went missing,
- 2:57Speaker 2: they shared custody of Bond. Jim told police that the
- 3:01Speaker 2: last time he saw Heidi was when she showed up
- 3:04Speaker 2: to her son's football game that afternoon. The game, by
- 3:07Speaker 2: the way, was in Downy, which was around seventeen miles
- 3:09Speaker 2: from Heidie's home, so it would have taken her around
- 3:12Speaker 2: half an hour to get there from the townhouse. Several
- 3:15Speaker 2: witnesses saw Heidi at that game and interacted with her.
- 3:19Speaker 2: Jim said that she seemed a little bit on edge
- 3:22Speaker 2: when she left the game at halftime, which was around
- 3:25Speaker 2: four thirty PM, but there was nothing that seemed extremely
- 3:28Speaker 2: out of the ordinary until they were looking at these
- 3:30Speaker 2: events in hindsight. It was Jim's weekend with Bond, so
- 3:35Speaker 2: Jim and Bond went home after the game. Heidi and
- 3:38Speaker 2: Jim got along well, even though there had been some
- 3:41Speaker 2: rocky moments in their divorce, if they apparently had had
- 3:44Speaker 2: a good co parenting relationship for several years. When Heidi
- 3:49Speaker 2: left the game, she told her son that she would
- 3:51Speaker 2: call him later, but even though Heidi always talked to
- 3:54Speaker 2: her son every single day, she never called him. In fact,
- 3:59Speaker 2: Bond never talked to his mother again because that day
- 4:03Speaker 2: Heidi Plank vanished, and after she disappeared, it did not
- 4:07Speaker 2: take long for rumors to start flying about her ex
- 4:11Speaker 2: husband Jim, about her boss, Jason Sugarman, about her boss's
- 4:15Speaker 2: links to big money and powerful people in Los Angeles.
- 4:18Speaker 2: In fact, to me, when I first saw Heidi on
- 4:21Speaker 2: the news and I read about this case, it seemed
- 4:24Speaker 2: like a real life version of the movie Chinatown. It's
- 4:28Speaker 2: now been over two years since Heidi Plank disappeared. There's
- 4:31Speaker 2: been no sign of Heidi and no sign of her body.
- 4:35Speaker 2: All we have are some rumors about an apartment building
- 4:38Speaker 2: in downtown Los Angeles and a devastated little boy without
- 4:42Speaker 2: a mother. I'm Catherine Townsend. If you have a case
- 4:47Speaker 2: you'd like me and my team to look into, you
- 4:49Speaker 2: can reach out to us at our Helen Gone Murder
- 4:52Speaker 2: Line at six seven eight seven four four six one
- 4:55Speaker 2: four five. That's six seven eight seven four four six
- 4:59Speaker 2: one four five. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Heidi
- 5:35Speaker 2: Plank was originally from New York State. She was born
- 5:38Speaker 2: and raised in Buffalo. In two thousand and one, she
- 5:41Speaker 2: moved to California and went to California State University. Before
- 5:45Speaker 2: we dive into Heidi's work life, I want to follow
- 5:48Speaker 2: the natural trajectory of the police investigation and take a
- 5:51Speaker 2: look at her relationship with her ex husband, Jim, because,
- 5:55Speaker 2: as we all know, in any investigation, and especially if
- 5:59Speaker 2: there is a contentious divorce, police are always looking at xes.
- 6:04Speaker 2: I actually did an episode of another podcast called blood Money,
- 6:08Speaker 2: it's about white collar criminals and con artists who kill
- 6:12Speaker 2: about this case back in twenty twenty two, so I
- 6:15Speaker 2: want to take a look at what has changed since then.
- 6:18Speaker 2: So of course police want to know about Heidie's relationship
- 6:22Speaker 2: with her ex husband. Jim and Heidi seem to have
- 6:25Speaker 2: a friendly relationship, but according to court records, they had
- 6:30Speaker 2: had some issues over the years. Court filing show they
- 6:33Speaker 2: had had a battle for custody in the past, and
- 6:36Speaker 2: at one point Jim had full custody of their son
- 6:40Speaker 2: and Jim had accused Heidi of drug abuse. Jam also
- 6:44Speaker 2: made some comments to the media after Heidi went missing
- 6:47Speaker 2: about how they had what he called different parenting styles.
- 6:51Speaker 2: He said something about how Heidi was more permissive than
- 6:54Speaker 2: he was, which did lead a lot of people to
- 6:56Speaker 2: wonder what was going on at home to make him
- 6:59Speaker 2: say that. But in addition to Jim's movements all week
- 7:03Speaker 2: and long being confirmed by police, everyone who was close
- 7:06Speaker 2: to Heidi said that her relationship with Jim had been
- 7:09Speaker 2: good for some time. The last text between Jim and
- 7:13Speaker 2: Heidi were not contentious. They were warm. Heidi was thanking
- 7:17Speaker 2: Jim for all that he did for their son. Jim
- 7:20Speaker 2: told police that he and his son last heard from
- 7:23Speaker 2: Heidi at around seven pm that night, October seventeenth. Heidi
- 7:27Speaker 2: had responded to one of her son's texts about the
- 7:29Speaker 2: football game. Heidi's son sent another text a little while later,
- 7:33Speaker 2: talking about a play he made, but this time Heidi
- 7:37Speaker 2: didn't respond. In fact, that was the last time that
- 7:41Speaker 2: Heidie's son ever heard from her. Jim and his son
- 7:45Speaker 2: were worried for the rest of the weekend, but Heidi
- 7:49Speaker 2: was obviously an adult. She was single and dating and
- 7:51Speaker 2: had her own life. Jim told reporters, though, that Heidi
- 7:55Speaker 2: never failed to respond to her son. No matter what
- 7:58Speaker 2: was going on in her personal life or how busy
- 8:01Speaker 2: she was, she always made time for him. Actually looking
- 8:05Speaker 2: at the court records that document the text messages that
- 8:09Speaker 2: Heidie's son sent to her is heartbreaking. On October eighteenth,
- 8:13Speaker 2: at seven thirty one pm, Heidie's son wrote in a
- 8:16Speaker 2: text message, can you please call me back? I called
- 8:20Speaker 2: you two days in a row. And you haven't picked up.
- 8:24Speaker 2: By Monday morning, Jim and his son still had not
- 8:27Speaker 2: heard from Heidi. That afternoon, Heidie's son texted again, please
- 8:32Speaker 2: call or just text me because I want to make
- 8:34Speaker 2: sure you're okay and I'm worried about you. Then he
- 8:37Speaker 2: sent another text that read, please call mom. I miss
- 8:41Speaker 2: you and I'm worried about you. The next day, October twentieth,
- 8:47Speaker 2: was the day when Heidi was supposed to pick her
- 8:49Speaker 2: son up at school, but she never showed up. Jim
- 8:53Speaker 2: reported Heidi missing. At some point, he went into Heidie's
- 8:57Speaker 2: townhouse with a friend of hers. They found Heidi's work
- 9:00Speaker 2: laptop there and her work phone. Jim took the laptop
- 9:04Speaker 2: and the phone. Now he did turn over the laptop
- 9:07Speaker 2: and phone to law enforcement, but apparently it took a
- 9:10Speaker 2: few days. And at the time a lot of people
- 9:12Speaker 2: on online comment boards are of course asking if he's
- 9:15Speaker 2: so worried about her, why would he wait. But Heidi
- 9:20Speaker 2: was an adult, so she probably was not an immediate
- 9:22Speaker 2: priority for the police. And of course, in every missing
- 9:26Speaker 2: person's investigation, every single decision anyone makes is under a microscope.
- 9:31Speaker 2: But in my opinion and according to all evidence, that
- 9:34Speaker 2: has come out. Jim Wayne was totally believable, and Jim,
- 9:38Speaker 2: to his credit, immediately went to the police. As we've said,
- 9:42Speaker 2: Heidi was an adult, so if Jim had any reason
- 9:45Speaker 2: to want to wait so the investigation would not start immediately,
- 9:49Speaker 2: he probably could have, but that's not what he did.
- 9:51Speaker 2: He went to her house. He told friends he was
- 9:54Speaker 2: calling people. He immediately called the police. He insisted that
- 9:57Speaker 2: they investigate, and he commented to the media. Police talked
- 10:01Speaker 2: to Heidie's family. Her mom told them the same thing
- 10:04Speaker 2: Jim had. Heidi had been behaving normally. She was planning
- 10:08Speaker 2: a vacation to New York to visit her mom for Thanksgiving,
- 10:12Speaker 2: so she was happy and she was making future plans.
- 10:15Speaker 2: Police figured out no one had heard from Heidi at
- 10:18Speaker 2: all since October seventeenth, so they started asking logically about
- 10:25Speaker 2: Heidie's love life. Now, at that time, Heidi had been
- 10:29Speaker 2: seeing someone who lived in northern California. He was a
- 10:33Speaker 2: Silicon Valley executive who worked for the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative,
- 10:36Speaker 2: the philanthropic arm of Facebook, which is now Meta. Police
- 10:40Speaker 2: tracked down Heidie's boyfriend, who, by the way, was completely
- 10:43Speaker 2: cooper He was verifiably somewhere else on the day when
- 10:46Speaker 2: Heidi went missing, and he was cleared very quickly by
- 10:49Speaker 2: law enforcement. But this man did tell the police something interesting.
- 10:54Speaker 2: He said that Heidi had sent him a text asking
- 10:57Speaker 2: him to come down to LA because she said she
- 11:00Speaker 2: was afraid of something. But this guy was unable to
- 11:05Speaker 2: make the trip, so actually he told police. At first
- 11:08Speaker 2: after Heidie disappeared, he thought that maybe she was annoyed
- 11:12Speaker 2: with him for not coming to LA, so maybe she
- 11:14Speaker 2: was ghosting him. So now the police kind of hit
- 11:18Speaker 2: a dead end because if this wasn't an X and
- 11:20Speaker 2: it wasn't a current relationship, who else would have a
- 11:24Speaker 2: motive to want to hurt Heidi. Meanwhile, Jim Wayne, Heidie's
- 11:28Speaker 2: ex husband, was playing detective and tracking down his own leads.
- 11:33Speaker 2: He got the ven number for Heidie's Range Rover, but
- 11:35Speaker 2: according to court documents, her location services wasn't on. He
- 11:39Speaker 2: tried to find my phone feature on iPhone and Apple Watch,
- 11:42Speaker 2: but those had also been turned off. At this point,
- 11:45Speaker 2: Jim told the media he was starting to suspect this
- 11:48Speaker 2: could be something that was planned. He believed this was
- 11:51Speaker 2: not a random disappearance, and he mentioned the legal troubles
- 11:54Speaker 2: that Heidie's boss, Jason Sugarman, had been having Then there
- 11:58Speaker 2: was another big break in the case. Jim checked the
- 12:01Speaker 2: text messages on Heidie's phone, the one he had access to,
- 12:04Speaker 2: and he found messages from a couple who lived in
- 12:07Speaker 2: a luxury building in downtown LA and this couple said
- 12:11Speaker 2: that they had Heidie's dog. The people who found seven
- 12:21Speaker 2: lived in the Hope and Flower Building in downtown Los Angeles,
- 12:24Speaker 2: located at twelve oh one South Hope Street. We'll get
- 12:27Speaker 2: into the history of the building in a little bit,
- 12:29Speaker 2: but basically, it's one of these luxury downtown high rises
- 12:33Speaker 2: that have sprung up over the last couple decades in
- 12:35Speaker 2: Los Angeles. It bills itself as a luxury high rise
- 12:39Speaker 2: with rooftop views and a lot of amenities, but a
- 12:42Speaker 2: lot of residents have complained over the years that the
- 12:46Speaker 2: developers have neglected this building, that there's trash in the hallways,
- 12:51Speaker 2: dog poop everywhere, and management that is unresponsive. And I'm
- 12:55Speaker 2: not talking about just a couple of complaints. If you
- 12:57Speaker 2: look at yelperviews, there are hundreds of complaints on there
- 13:00Speaker 2: from current and former tenants. So there's something strange going
- 13:03Speaker 2: on in that building. In my opinion. But getting back
- 13:07Speaker 2: to Heidi, this couple said that around seven pm on
- 13:10Speaker 2: the evening of October seventeenth. Now remember this was just
- 13:14Speaker 2: a few hours after the game, and right after Bond
- 13:16Speaker 2: got that last text from Heidie's phone, they said they
- 13:19Speaker 2: found the dog seven roaming the hallways of that building.
- 13:23Speaker 2: Some reports said that the dog was on the twenty
- 13:25Speaker 2: ninth floor, others said the twenty eighth, but whichever it was,
- 13:28Speaker 2: Heidi was not with seven. Jim went to pick up
- 13:31Speaker 2: seven and brought him home. And since I know that
- 13:34Speaker 2: people will ask, and I'm also an animal over, I
- 13:36Speaker 2: will tell you all right now. The dog is absolutely
- 13:38Speaker 2: fine and apparently doing well. So what was Heidi doing
- 13:43Speaker 2: at the Hope Flower Building? Jim and her friends said
- 13:46Speaker 2: they weren't aware of anyone she knew in that building
- 13:48Speaker 2: or any connection she had there, And even stranger than that,
- 13:52Speaker 2: why would she leave her dog who went everywhere with
- 13:55Speaker 2: her roaming the hallways. According to news reports, the building
- 14:00Speaker 2: management OMNI property were kind of uncooperative at first, but
- 14:04Speaker 2: police got a search warrant and after that, Heidie's friends
- 14:08Speaker 2: and family said the building did give them the access
- 14:10Speaker 2: they needed and became more helpful. Meanwhile, some of them
- 14:14Speaker 2: were wondering if the thing that Heidie had been afraid
- 14:17Speaker 2: of could have been connected to her job and her boss,
- 14:20Speaker 2: forty eight year old Jason Sugarman. According to Heidie's LinkedIn page,
- 14:24Speaker 2: she worked for Coldwell Banker between two thousand and five
- 14:26Speaker 2: and twenty fifteen, then Douglas Element, so she was working
- 14:30Speaker 2: in real estate before she moved on to her job
- 14:33Speaker 2: at a company called Camden Capital Partners. This was Jason
- 14:36Speaker 2: Sugarman's company, and it's a company that is described as
- 14:40Speaker 2: quote an investment advisory firm that handles wealth mannment and
- 14:44Speaker 2: legacy planning for prominent high net worth individuals. This could
- 14:49Speaker 2: be completely legitimate. There are lots of firms like this,
- 14:52Speaker 2: but it's also very vague, and Jason Sugarman would soon
- 14:57Speaker 2: show up in more headlines. Jason Sugarman is connected to
- 15:01Speaker 2: a lot of people in power. His father in law
- 15:03Speaker 2: is Peter Gruber, the owner of the Dodgers, and Jason
- 15:07Speaker 2: was facing some serious legal issues, including federal fraud charges.
- 15:11Speaker 2: He was under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission.
- 15:15Speaker 2: According to the indictment, starting in twenty thirteen, Jason and
- 15:19Speaker 2: his business partner, Jason Galanis, stole forty three million dollars
- 15:23Speaker 2: from pension funds of a Native American tribe of the
- 15:26Speaker 2: Sioux Nation. These guys, who were known in the press
- 15:30Speaker 2: as the Two Jasons, were apparently trying to acquire this
- 15:33Speaker 2: global financial conglomerate made up of insurers in Europe and Bermuda,
- 15:37Speaker 2: as well as some investment advisors based in the United States.
- 15:41Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen, Jason go Llanas and his father, John
- 15:45Speaker 2: Galanis obtained tribal bonds. They convinced the tribe they would
- 15:49Speaker 2: sell them and use the proceeds to invest in the tribe.
- 15:53Speaker 2: But instead, according to the authorities, they didn't. They just
- 15:56Speaker 2: basically straight up stole the money. And what's worse, this
- 16:00Speaker 2: was not some kind of Bernie made off type of
- 16:02Speaker 2: scenario that started out as a legitimate investment. According to
- 16:05Speaker 2: the sec these guys knew they were planning to steal
- 16:08Speaker 2: right from the beginning. So it's kind of a long
- 16:12Speaker 2: and complicated story with this money. But to sum it up,
- 16:15Speaker 2: Jason Galanas and Jason Sugarman were accused of stealing millions
- 16:20Speaker 2: of dollars from the Native American tribal corporation and from
- 16:23Speaker 2: these companies they acquired. In January of twenty seventeen, Jason
- 16:28Speaker 2: galanis pled guilty to criminal charges in connections with this fraud.
- 16:31Speaker 2: He was sentenced to one hundred and seventy three months
- 16:34Speaker 2: in jail. The indictment read quote Sugarman benefited immensely from
- 16:38Speaker 2: the scheme. Indeed, to a large extent, he was the
- 16:41Speaker 2: biggest winner from the fraud, ending up with voting control
- 16:44Speaker 2: over corporate assets that were acquired with bond proceeds and
- 16:47Speaker 2: from which he ultimately siphoned almost nine million dollars in
- 16:51Speaker 2: cash for his direct and personal benefit. Quote. So we
- 16:55Speaker 2: know Jason Sugarman was accused of financial fraud. We also
- 16:58Speaker 2: know that he has powerful friends, including Hunter Biden. He
- 17:02Speaker 2: even has ties to Hunter Biden's now notorious Laptop of shame,
- 17:07Speaker 2: because emails from that laptop, in addition to photos of
- 17:10Speaker 2: Hunter smoking crack and sex workers, reportedly show that Jason
- 17:14Speaker 2: was a director and shareholder of a company called Burnham
- 17:17Speaker 2: Financial Group. If this name sounds familiar, that's because it's
- 17:22Speaker 2: the same group that allegedly pitched a major deal to
- 17:25Speaker 2: Hunter's Chinese business partners back in twenty fifteen, and one
- 17:30Speaker 2: of Jason Sugarman's partners who was also mentioned in that
- 17:33Speaker 2: SEC indictment is Devon Archer, the longtime friend and business
- 17:37Speaker 2: partner of Hunter Biden. Devon Archer, by the way, was
- 17:40Speaker 2: convicted for his involvement in that same tribal scam in
- 17:43Speaker 2: two thousand eighteen. Hunter Biden's lawyer, by the way, has
- 17:47Speaker 2: totally denied all this. He said Hunter's client had nothing
- 17:50Speaker 2: to do with the Native American bond scheme and that
- 17:52Speaker 2: the timing was just a coincidence. According to the Sun newspaper,
- 17:57Speaker 2: the lawyer said Hunter's name had been used without his
- 18:00Speaker 2: permission and that he had taken steps to ensure that
- 18:03Speaker 2: his business interests were not associated with the defendants in
- 18:07Speaker 2: the tribal bond case. So what does all this have
- 18:09Speaker 2: to do with Heidi Plank, a woman who, by the way,
- 18:12Speaker 2: had no background in finance when she started working for
- 18:15Speaker 2: Jason Sugarman's company. She was the bookkeeper for that company.
- 18:20Speaker 2: And then there's what happened next. Jim Wayne said that
- 18:23Speaker 2: on October twenty first, right after Heidi went missing, he
- 18:27Speaker 2: got a phone call from someone at the SEC asking
- 18:30Speaker 2: questions about Jason Sugarman. And then it got even more bizarre.
- 18:35Speaker 2: Because CBS Los Angeles was following the story of Heidi Plank,
- 18:40Speaker 2: they were somehow able to acquire some surveillance video that
- 18:43Speaker 2: had been taken outside Heidie's house. There's video of Jason
- 18:47Speaker 2: Sugarmant after Hiding went missing, ringing her doorbell and then
- 18:51Speaker 2: leaving muffins on the doorstep. The news station says this
- 18:55Speaker 2: video is from a day or two after Hiding went missing.
- 18:57Speaker 2: They weren't more specific than that, But if you look
- 19:00Speaker 2: at this footage, it's odd because Jason walks up to
- 19:04Speaker 2: the door, rings the bell just once and then kind
- 19:07Speaker 2: of seems to PLoP the muffins down, and then he's
- 19:10Speaker 2: out of there. He doesn't hesitate, he doesn't try to
- 19:12Speaker 2: look inside. So now I'm wondering was he really expressing
- 19:17Speaker 2: concern or was he trying to make it look like
- 19:19Speaker 2: he was expressing concern and looking for Heidi. Was he
- 19:22Speaker 2: going through the motions so that he would appear on camera,
- 19:26Speaker 2: or was Heidi's disappearance totally unconnected to him? But perhaps
- 19:31Speaker 2: he wanted to see if someone was there who would
- 19:33Speaker 2: give him that work laptop, which remember was inside her house.
- 19:37Speaker 2: What did the SEC want to talk to Heidi about.
- 19:40Speaker 2: Heidi obviously is not here, so it's only speculation, but
- 19:43Speaker 2: she reportedly told friends and family that the company had
- 19:46Speaker 2: some tax filings that were due. She had complained that
- 19:50Speaker 2: her boss, presumably meaning Jason Sugarman, had her name on
- 19:54Speaker 2: so much of their corporate paperwork. Now, if this is true,
- 19:57Speaker 2: it's a major flag for fraud investigators. In fact, this
- 20:01Speaker 2: case seems to have a lot of red flags for
- 20:04Speaker 2: potential fraud investigators, including the fact that Heidi was the
- 20:07Speaker 2: person being asked to sign off on these complex transactions.
- 20:12Speaker 2: Jim Wayne told the media that after Hiding went missing,
- 20:15Speaker 2: he called her office. He said that Jason didn't seem
- 20:19Speaker 2: like he was worried about Heidi or what happened to
- 20:21Speaker 2: her at all, but he did say Jason Sugarman was
- 20:25Speaker 2: very worried about that work laptop. Remember this was the
- 20:28Speaker 2: work laptop that had been inside Heidie's house. Jim had
- 20:32Speaker 2: taken it out of there and later handed it over
- 20:34Speaker 2: to police. Jim Wayne told the Daily Mail quote, while
- 20:39Speaker 2: I was on the phone with his assistant, I heard
- 20:41Speaker 2: Sugarman in the background barking at his assistant to tell
- 20:43Speaker 2: me make sure he knows I want my laptop. There
- 20:46Speaker 2: was no concern at all from my ex wife's employer.
- 20:49Speaker 2: It's a multimillion dollar company. They didn't offer to hire
- 20:52Speaker 2: a private investigator or put up a reward. The only
- 20:56Speaker 2: thing they really seemed concerned about was Heidie's computer end quote. Again,
- 21:03Speaker 2: Heidi's job was financial controller for Camden Capital Partners, which
- 21:08Speaker 2: reportedly gave her a salary of one hundred and forty
- 21:10Speaker 2: five thousand dollars a year and bonuses, and Jim made
- 21:16Speaker 2: a comment he said she always had spare cash lying around.
- 21:21Speaker 2: Jim Wayne said that someone at Jason Sugarman's office had
- 21:24Speaker 2: told him they believed that Heidi was quote siphoning off
- 21:29Speaker 2: money from the company end quote. So, according to Jim Wayne,
- 21:34Speaker 2: someone at Jason Sugarman's office was allegedly implying that Heidi
- 21:38Speaker 2: might have embezzled funds. But when Jim talked to The
- 21:41Speaker 2: Daily Mail, he said he did not believe Heidi was
- 21:45Speaker 2: to blame at all, and he said if there was
- 21:46Speaker 2: any wrongdoing, it was from someone at that office, not her.
- 21:51Speaker 2: Jim said, quote Heidi knows all of Jason's and the
- 21:54Speaker 2: company's secrets. She knows where the bones are buried. This
- 21:57Speaker 2: whole thing just stinks. Something just isn't right, and I
- 22:00Speaker 2: can't put my finger on it. End quote. After Hiding
- 22:04Speaker 2: went missing, Jim filed a petition for temporary emergency custody
- 22:08Speaker 2: of their son, and these court papers, in my mind,
- 22:13Speaker 2: provide further evidence that there was no motive for Jim
- 22:16Speaker 2: to do anything to Heidie, because, according to the court documents,
- 22:19Speaker 2: Jim and Heidi shared custody of their son, and Jim
- 22:23Speaker 2: did not pay Heidi any alimony or child support. He
- 22:26Speaker 2: had paid her a lump sum in twenty twelve and
- 22:29Speaker 2: nothing since then. So the bottom line is Jim Wayne
- 22:32Speaker 2: had no obvious financial motive to do anything to Heidi.
- 22:35Speaker 2: In fact, if he did do something to her, it
- 22:38Speaker 2: would ensure that he would never get the support that
- 22:40Speaker 2: he was asking for. Some people had suggested that Heidi
- 22:44Speaker 2: might have disappeared voluntarily, and we do have to look
- 22:46Speaker 2: at that possibility. According to court documents. In the past,
- 22:50Speaker 2: Jim had alleged Heidi had some mental health issues. He
- 22:54Speaker 2: said that she was addicted to adderall and had some
- 22:57Speaker 2: kind of breakdown. In twenty fifteen, Jim talked to Los
- 23:00Speaker 2: Angeles magazine about what happened that day. He said that
- 23:04Speaker 2: Heidi had begun acting strangely while they were driving back
- 23:06Speaker 2: to her house, that their son had been in the car,
- 23:09Speaker 2: and that after they got back to his place, Heidi
- 23:11Speaker 2: freaked out, trash Bond's room and crawled out a window.
- 23:16Speaker 2: Then he said, she started running through the neighborhood. Police
- 23:19Speaker 2: were called and when they got there, they found Heidi
- 23:22Speaker 2: switching an electrical circuit breaker on and off. It seemed
- 23:26Speaker 2: like reading through these court papers, Heidi. It had some
- 23:28Speaker 2: kind of a break with reality. According to court records,
- 23:32Speaker 2: Heidi agreed to check herself voluntarily into a psychiatric hospital.
- 23:36Speaker 2: But after that incident, Heidi got better. She got a job.
- 23:40Speaker 2: She started working for Camden Capital Partners, first as an
- 23:43Speaker 2: assistant and then by twenty seventeen, is the financial controller.
- 23:47Speaker 2: After the initial flurry of media activity, the case got
- 23:51Speaker 2: pretty quiet for a couple of months. Then on November fourth,
- 23:54Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, police announced they had found Heidi's Range
- 23:58Speaker 2: Rover in the parking lot of a residential building that
- 24:01Speaker 2: was a few blocks away from the Hope and Flower
- 24:03Speaker 2: building where seven was found. And after that police announced
- 24:07Speaker 2: another break they had more video footage of Heidi footage
- 24:11Speaker 2: that had been taken on that same day. On October seventeenth,
- 24:15Speaker 2: at around six thirty pm, hours after she left her
- 24:19Speaker 2: son's game, she was in downtown La, walking in an
- 24:23Speaker 2: alley between eleventh and twelve streets. This is the little
- 24:26Speaker 2: alleyway that runs behind the Hope and Flower building where
- 24:29Speaker 2: the dog was found. She appeared to be wearing the
- 24:32Speaker 2: same clothes and the sweater that she had been wearing earlier.
- 24:35Speaker 2: She was wearing this weather she had tied around her waist.
- 24:40Speaker 2: One of her friends told a local news station KTLA
- 24:43Speaker 2: that Hidie looked like she was taking her dog for
- 24:45Speaker 2: a quick walk. Now, there were some people out there
- 24:48Speaker 2: who said that Heidie's hair looked darker, like she was
- 24:51Speaker 2: wearing a wig. But I've looked at this footage and
- 24:54Speaker 2: to me, that appears to be just a late afternoon lighting.
- 24:57Speaker 2: It clearly looks like Heidie. She's wearing the same clothes
- 25:00Speaker 2: she was wearing that morning, and her dog is walking
- 25:03Speaker 2: with her. Heidie's friends told local news stations that this
- 25:08Speaker 2: was a major break in the case because if the
- 25:10Speaker 2: couple's timeline was correct and they had found the dog
- 25:13Speaker 2: roaming the halls at around seven pm. That narrowed down
- 25:17Speaker 2: the window of time when Heidi went missing to around
- 25:19Speaker 2: half an hour or so. In the surveillance video from
- 25:23Speaker 2: the alley, Heidie was wearing the same sweater she had
- 25:26Speaker 2: tied around her waist earlier, so she probably went there
- 25:29Speaker 2: right after she left the game. Also, people who watched
- 25:32Speaker 2: the video pointed out you could see Heidie's purse, and
- 25:35Speaker 2: by the way, this was at the height of COVID,
- 25:38Speaker 2: she seemed to have a mask in one hand, which
- 25:40Speaker 2: meant that she was probably visiting someone in that building,
- 25:44Speaker 2: so it seemed like she either parked her car, took
- 25:47Speaker 2: her purse out, and was on her way up to
- 25:49Speaker 2: the building, or it's also possible she had been visiting
- 25:52Speaker 2: someone in the building, already left her purse in the apartment,
- 25:56Speaker 2: and ducked out for a quick dog walk. And again,
- 25:59Speaker 2: none of Heidi's friends or family had any idea who
- 26:03Speaker 2: lived in that building, who Heidi might have been going
- 26:05Speaker 2: to see, or what she was doing there. But another
- 26:09Speaker 2: one of Heidi's friends told reporters they had talked to
- 26:12Speaker 2: building staff and apparently they recognized Heidi and her dog.
- 26:16Speaker 2: Seven attention focused more and more on the Hope and
- 26:20Speaker 2: Flower Building, the last place where Heidi was seen alive.
- 26:32Speaker 2: As I said before, this Hope and Flower Building was
- 26:35Speaker 2: very controversial if you look at the yelper views. The
- 26:38Speaker 2: resonance claimed that there has been theft, drug use, dogs
- 26:42Speaker 2: defecating on their terraces, piles of trash in the hallway.
- 26:46Speaker 2: They claimed that their secured parking spaces are constantly vandalized
- 26:49Speaker 2: and broken into. After Heidi disappeared, I got several messages
- 26:54Speaker 2: from people who were friends of hers. I also went
- 26:57Speaker 2: to a prayer vigil for Heidi that was held at
- 26:59Speaker 2: the Hope and Flower Building. I met some of the
- 27:01Speaker 2: residents there and later some of the former residents contacted
- 27:04Speaker 2: me and talked to me about the LAPD investigation. They
- 27:08Speaker 2: told me that the police had been in that building,
- 27:11Speaker 2: that there had been a foul stench coming from the
- 27:13Speaker 2: trash chute. They had heard a rumor that a bloody
- 27:17Speaker 2: mattress or possibly even a body had been taken from
- 27:20Speaker 2: the building. Then the news broke. The LAPD was searching
- 27:23Speaker 2: Shaqida Canyon landfill, which was about forty miles away, the
- 27:27Speaker 2: same landfill where the Hope and Flower Buildings trash was dumped.
- 27:32Speaker 2: The police has not revealed much about what they have
- 27:35Speaker 2: found inside the Hope and Flower building, but on their
- 27:38Speaker 2: website they did state that quote, forensic evidence was located
- 27:42Speaker 2: inside the building, which has led detectives to believe an
- 27:44Speaker 2: incident occurred resulting in Plank's death end quote. The LAPD
- 27:49Speaker 2: stated that they believed something bad did happen to Heidi
- 27:53Speaker 2: and that they believe that it happened to her at
- 27:56Speaker 2: that downtown building, and they said they believed that Heidi
- 27:59Speaker 2: Plank was dead, but they didn't give any more specifics.
- 28:04Speaker 2: They didn't talk about what the evidence was. They haven't
- 28:06Speaker 2: asked the public for information, so really it's been kind
- 28:10Speaker 2: of a black hole. In December of twenty twenty three,
- 28:15Speaker 2: over two years after she went missing, Heidi Plank was
- 28:18Speaker 2: officially declared dead. A judge ruled she had died at
- 28:21Speaker 2: around nine pm on the night she disappeared on October seventeenth,
- 28:25Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. There have been a few theories put
- 28:29Speaker 2: forward by people commenting online by armchair detectives. One theory
- 28:34Speaker 2: was that Heidi maybe was in trouble, maybe she did
- 28:37Speaker 2: something at work, Maybe she knew too much and something
- 28:41Speaker 2: led her to voluntarily go missing. I'm not buying that theory.
- 28:46Speaker 2: First of all, I don't think there's any way that
- 28:48Speaker 2: this woman would have left her son with no explanation.
- 28:51Speaker 2: And secondly, other than her son, she loved her dog
- 28:55Speaker 2: more than anything in the world, and I don't believe
- 28:57Speaker 2: she would have just dumped her dog at this building.
- 28:59Speaker 2: And of course, anytime you do have someone with a
- 29:01Speaker 2: background of mental health issues or potential substance abuse, you
- 29:05Speaker 2: have to ask could that have happened again? Again, I
- 29:08Speaker 2: think that that's very unlikely, mainly because she was acting normally.
- 29:13Speaker 2: This woman's employed, she had a good relationship with her
- 29:16Speaker 2: friends and family, and she had a son who she
- 29:18Speaker 2: called every day. There were some other rumors going around,
- 29:24Speaker 2: including one by an amateur detective who posted on YouTube.
- 29:29Speaker 2: She said she had talked to people in the Hope
- 29:31Speaker 2: and Flower building. She told the Sun newspaper that she
- 29:34Speaker 2: heard Heidi went to a party there on the night
- 29:36Speaker 2: she disappeared, that she had gotten adderall from a man
- 29:39Speaker 2: she was dating, and then apparently overdosed, possibly because the
- 29:44Speaker 2: drugs were laced with fentanyl. Then, according to this person,
- 29:48Speaker 2: the people in the apartment panicked and Heidie's body was
- 29:51Speaker 2: thrown down the garbage chute. But I have to say
- 29:54Speaker 2: there was absolutely no evidence that these rumors were true,
- 29:57Speaker 2: and honestly, not all parts of this story make sense.
- 29:59Speaker 2: For example, Heidi didn't look like she was dressed to party.
- 30:03Speaker 2: She looked like she was out on an errand when
- 30:05Speaker 2: she was seen on the camera with the dog, it
- 30:07Speaker 2: was early evening, six thirty or seven pm. And finally,
- 30:11Speaker 2: if there was a whole party full of people as
- 30:13Speaker 2: this person described, it seems really hard for me to
- 30:16Speaker 2: imagine that no one from the party talk, the whole
- 30:19Speaker 2: thing got completely covered up, and that they threw a
- 30:22Speaker 2: body down the trash chute without it being found. But
- 30:26Speaker 2: I do have a lot of questions about that building
- 30:29Speaker 2: and about the people on the penthouse floor. Jim Wayne
- 30:32Speaker 2: has said he was told by police that up to
- 30:35Speaker 2: five people know what happened to Heidi. But which five people?
- 30:40Speaker 2: Five people in the apartment building, And if that's true true, again,
- 30:45Speaker 2: it's very hard for me to imagine a world where
- 30:47Speaker 2: there was not surveillance footage showing those people. Even though
- 30:51Speaker 2: it was COVID, and a lot of places were probably
- 30:53Speaker 2: being rented off the books, surely they must be able
- 30:56Speaker 2: to get the names of the people who were in
- 30:58Speaker 2: the apartment on that day. The whole thing is very bizarre,
- 31:03Speaker 2: and I don't think I've ever actually seen a case
- 31:04Speaker 2: where a dog was found in a location that was
- 31:07Speaker 2: completely foreign to everywhere in the victim's life, and there's
- 31:10Speaker 2: no trace of the victim. Jason Sugarman kind of disappeared
- 31:15Speaker 2: from public view after Hiding went missing, and I'm going
- 31:19Speaker 2: to say again, he has not been charged with anything
- 31:21Speaker 2: or any sort of wrongdoing in connection with her disappearance.
- 31:26Speaker 2: On January tenth, twenty twenty three, the United States District
- 31:30Speaker 2: Court for the Southern District of New York entered a
- 31:32Speaker 2: final judgment against Jason Sugarman. Jason was ordered to pay
- 31:36Speaker 2: over ten point two million dollars in connection to the
- 31:39Speaker 2: scheme to defraud pension funds. Devon Archer was sentenced to
- 31:43Speaker 2: a year and a day in prison. He appealed, and
- 31:45Speaker 2: he is still out on bail. In January twenty twenty four,
- 31:49Speaker 2: a judge denied his appeal, so his case is continuing
- 31:52Speaker 2: to work its way through the court system. Bond and
- 31:55Speaker 2: seven are living with Jim Wayne. Jim told Los Angeles
- 31:59Speaker 2: Magazine six months after Heidi disappeared. Quote our son wants
- 32:03Speaker 2: to know what happened to his mother. I want to
- 32:05Speaker 2: know what happened to Heidi. I still think her boss
- 32:08Speaker 2: has something to do with this in one way or another.
- 32:11Speaker 2: End quote. There was another update story done in twenty
- 32:16Speaker 2: twenty four, near the two year anniversary of her disappearance.
- 32:20Speaker 2: Heidie's family posted a billboard of her in Los Angeles
- 32:24Speaker 2: right now, they hope that someone will come forward. The
- 32:28Speaker 2: family has created an email address Heidi Plank h EI
- 32:32Speaker 2: D I P L A n C K at ProtonMail
- 32:37Speaker 2: dot com. The Los Angeles Police Department is asked anyone
- 32:41Speaker 2: with information call the Missing Persons Unit at two one
- 32:44Speaker 2: three nine nine six one eight zero zero. I'm Katherine Townsend.
- 32:49Speaker 2: This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen Gone Murder Line
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- 33:01Speaker 2: by Gabby Watts. Special thanks to Amy Tubbs for her
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