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Knicks, Knockouts, and Congressional Callouts (w. NY-12 candidate Laura Dunn) · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a listen albranch.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about the Knicks one and
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: NYC went straight to jail. Things that make us cry,
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Haiti in the World Cup and in the customs line
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: at the airport, the UFC fight on the front lawn
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: of the Way, secret situation room recording regarding the Epstein files. Whoops,
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: wasn't me? We have an interview with the New York
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: twelve district congressional candidate Laura Dunn, and we're going to
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: answer all your questions from the DMS and read all
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: the wild reviews you leave. So stick around every time.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: Every time I eat a croissant, it's it's Russian roulette
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: on where the crumbs are going to go?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I will tell you if you had, I know.
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: You would, but you're not always around.
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not always unfortunately for you. How are you friends?
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: How you been?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard? But the next one, no,
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Are you sure?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the sixty three people
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  Speaker 1: who got arrested and the ten people who got shot
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: and the guy who was standing on a bus railing lines.
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: Your neighbor Chris just hoovering up the cooke. He was
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: so excited.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this town painted ballow
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: An orange.
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  Speaker 2: So I will tell you my brother lost his fucking mind.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure I have a clip. I've asked him for
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  Speaker 2: permission to show it. He said, yes, he looks crazy.
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: I have never seen him this way, and his feeling
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: is that, you know, yeah, born in britt New Yorker.
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: None of his teams ever win. He's a big Mets fan,
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: a big Knicks fan, and they never win. So this
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: was yeah, so the baby's all outfitted in Nicks for.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: The straight people who are always like, I don't get
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: why you guys need a pride parade. DM me from
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: that parade on Thursday when this episode drops, because that's
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: your straight pride parade. Okay, that's what you got. And
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: you know it's so important to straight people this next thing.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to prove it to you really quick.
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  Speaker 2: CJ.
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  Speaker 1: How many years has it been?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you? That's how important it is. First eight people,
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  Speaker 1: they know they did Marsha P. Johnson. That's what I
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  Speaker 1: know in fifty three years is what they know. This
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: is their pride.
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  Speaker 2: I mean as somebody who is not a sporty person,
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  Speaker 2: even though I said old options in my Haitian World
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  Speaker 2: Cup jersey. But but I was, like I told Michael,
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: I was away with some friends over the weekend. I
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: was scrap booking and there was a there was a
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: bar in our hotel and we went down and I
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  Speaker 2: watched the last fifteen minutes and it was very exciting. Yes,
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: it was exciting, and I'm very happy for the people
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: who are are happy, like my brother and CJ, who
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: told us that he collapsed on the floor in his
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: living room and cried.
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: I was planking in his own home. Thought they lost
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: because I was crying. CJ, Are you like a cryer?
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: Do you cry? Often? Only when my team hasn't want
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: because some because some people are like criers, they'll cry
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: like all the time. Brad cried when Pikachu left Ash
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: and that was it, and like then I know what
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: that means. Yeah, it's a Pokemon thing. When he was
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: a kid, he cried when Pikachu left Ash. She was
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: a child and that was it. What do you mean
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: It's like hasn't been since he hasn't cried. I think
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: maybe when his grandparents died and it really he's not
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  Speaker 1: a crier?
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  Speaker 2: Are you a crier? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: My god? All the time? All the time for just
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: no reason? Sometimes okay, and I love it. I really
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  Speaker 1: am like.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's fine. I just I I
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  Speaker 2: definitely don't cry as much as I used to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I'm a set or frustrated or excited or happy.
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: It's just like how my body expresses an intense emotion. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So like I'll be crying because I'm just like this
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  Speaker 1: is the coolest thing ever, not because of any distress.
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  Speaker 1: So people oftentimes misinterpret my tears. It's like this person's not.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I can't. I'm trying to remember, like, yeah, I
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: do cry, but I don't feel like I cry all
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: the time. However, the other day, I'm.
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: Trying to think of a time when I saw you cry.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, you can't do my dad's wake I was crying.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: i've cried. Really, does I stuffed the feelings down?
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  Speaker 1: Just raise catholic.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Catholic, I'm patient. I stuff the feelings down, That's
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  Speaker 2: what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into a sidebar on grief, please perceed.
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  Speaker 2: This is not grief, though, the other day, so Haiti
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  Speaker 2: has not been in the World Cup since nineteen seventy three,
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  Speaker 2: I think, and again I don't really care about sports,
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  Speaker 2: but I care about this. This is about pride point
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  Speaker 2: oh for sure, for sure, for sure, and we need this,
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  Speaker 2: we need we need some good and this is a
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  Speaker 2: very good thing. And I also know if my dad
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: was alive, he would lose his mind, right, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: And so the other day they were playing Scotland and
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  Speaker 2: I got weepy when they were playing the national anthem,
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  Speaker 2: the Haitian national anthem, which I had practiced, and now
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  Speaker 2: I know. And it's hard, it's hard. It's a very well.
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  Speaker 2: My French is not sad, very French. My French is
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  Speaker 2: not that good.
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  Speaker 1: I imagine it's in French.
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  Speaker 2: It's in French.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on a limit. It's probably in French.
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  Speaker 2: It's in French. There is also a creole version. And
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  Speaker 2: when I was saying to my mom, I'm like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't I don't know this, and she was like annoyed
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  Speaker 2: with me, She's like, why don't you know it? I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: did you teach me why I know the punge of
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  Speaker 2: allegiance in America, but I didn't, so she was annoyed
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  Speaker 2: with me. But now I know it.
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: My mom is always horrified if I tell her that
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: I got like a parking ticket and didn't pay it immediately.
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  Speaker 2: I always forget to pay my parking tickets. Come knocking
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: on my door, they send me, they send me, and
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  Speaker 2: I keep on saying, oh, I have to remember to
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  Speaker 2: pay it, and then I put it to the side.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bright orange envelope. Well that's when I that's
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  Speaker 2: when I really pay it. I'm like, oh wait, it's
• 6:25
  Speaker 2: the orange envelope is here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always like, how bad does it have to get
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: in New York City for them to come drag me away?
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  Speaker 2: They're made, They've They've reached out to me. Hey, Melissa,
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  Speaker 2: we know they say things like we know sometimes we
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: get busy.
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: Hey girl, you up, what are you doing? I had
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: a neighbor in my old building downstairs from Chris was
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: this hilarious Polish woman who I won't say her name,
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: but it's like a very Polish name, Megda.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it close to Magda.
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But she always this is someone did I tell you
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  Speaker 1: her cat was like attacking people.
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I remember. Oh my god.
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we told this story on the show.
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  Speaker 1: But basically, there was this this other older woman in
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: the and her home health aid. I ran into her
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: on the street and I was like, how you doing
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, I don't go to that
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: building anymore because Magda's cat attacked me. And she lifted
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: up her skirt on the street and her legs it
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  Speaker 1: looked like Freddy Krueger gouch mar.
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  Speaker 2: It was like shaving her legs.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, the people came and booted Magda's car once
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  Speaker 1: right in front of the building, and I asked her.
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, wow, they booted your car. She's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they do it if you have over five hundred dollars
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  Speaker 1: in parking tickets.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I've never gotten there.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, damn girl.
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  Speaker 2: CJJ raised his hand, Wow, really is it? Are you forgetting?
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  Speaker 1: Or I was in college in the Bronx.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that doesn't count. It doesn't count.
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  Speaker 1: My car actually got towed, and I thought stolen. If
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: someone tows my carm, like keep it, keep it.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that.
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  Speaker 1: I would I would be like I'm going to leave
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  Speaker 1: it there for a couple of weeks so I don't
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: get parking tickets, and then.
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  Speaker 2: They charge you. They charge you per day.
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  Speaker 1: Do they Yes? Is it more than the ticket? Yes? Okay,
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: all right, well all right, never mind, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: go get it. But they don't. They don't tell it.
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: Have you what's your problem?
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, have you been through
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: customs recently? Because I just went through customs. I just
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  Speaker 1: flew back into the country because there was a group
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  Speaker 1: of a plan full of Haitians.
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  Speaker 2: I texted you, Michael texted me about this.
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  Speaker 1: Planeful of Haitians got off right in front of me
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  Speaker 1: in the customs line. And I don't have global entry.
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's zombie. I get that answer all the time. Everyone
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  Speaker 1: zombie about it.
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  Speaker 2: I just got it. I'm so I'm not being superior.
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  Speaker 2: I'm surprised you don't have it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have it because I don't want to go
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  Speaker 1: to the airport for that extra interview.
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  Speaker 2: Michael, I did it, and I also felt the same
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  Speaker 2: way two minutes.
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  Speaker 1: But to get to the airport, it was a pain
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  Speaker 1: in the ass.
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  Speaker 2: See yeahs and nothing good ever happens at Liguardia.
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  Speaker 1: And people thank you, and people are like, oh, you
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  Speaker 1: could do it when you're flying back in, Yeah, you can.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: When I'm flying back in.
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: Now you just want to go home.
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like, no, I hear you. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I did it. I got run over by the Knicks parade,
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  Speaker 1: So who did it? And ran?
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  Speaker 2: Just ridden hard.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking like, who did it?
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  Speaker 2: In ran?
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  Speaker 1: It's forty miles a rough highway.
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: What were the Haitians like?
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  Speaker 1: So by the time, I honestly don't feel like I'm
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  Speaker 1: allowed to say what the Haitians were like in mine,
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: but I will imagine, but I will say by the
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: time I got to the custom sky he said, he
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: looked at me. I'm not kidding. He said, I'm going
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: on break after this. He said, you are my last person, okay,
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: And he said do you have anything in your bags
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: that you need to declare? And I said no, no,
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: He said, go leave here immediately. He did not look
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: at my passport, which I was like, doesn't someone need
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: to know I'm back in the country, Like, don't think
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like an immigration learn I'm thinking, have I ever had
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: a client who never got stamped like that? Just happened
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: to me, never got the customs of border protection, never
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: documented me returning.
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  Speaker 2: To tell you and I love my people. I do.
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: I clearly you've been on a lot of flights back
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  Speaker 2: from Haiti. Yes, and I get it. And dealing with
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: Haitian people, I mean, being Haitian is not for the week, right,
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: growing up in a Haitian household, nobody can hurt my feelings.
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: My feelings cannot be hurt. So yeah, poor guy, Oh no,
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: he'll be okay.
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: Then, yeah, let's get into an algorithm is showing. Did
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: you see the people doing like wheelie motorbike, motorbike motorcross
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: crossroads on lawn.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: No, I did not see that, but you know what
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: I did see. I did see it. A couple of
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: people come to blows peoples cuffs on the white and
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: not the people in the cage, the random people. And
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: the thing about it is like, you know, I think
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: when you see like a fight in a movie, right
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: or a show, it's like very like dramatic and boom
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: and but when people are real people are fighting, it's
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: like like cats fighting with each other. It's kind of.
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: Like people that choreography. No, not at all. There's always
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: one move that like you know, that person's embarrassed because
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: they kind of like did like a weird flick with
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: their wrists. Were they made like the noise.
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: Or like I think it's really funny where people, real
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: people are fighting and they're not fighting with like their
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: fists out there. Yes, it's more like.
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: Or the or the wife always comes up and behind
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: and it's like you stop it. It gets them with
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: a broom handle or something.
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: There's always real weird flick.
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: So you better not. It's like that's not going to
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: stop them. They're rolling around on the ground. Oh my god. Yeah,
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: So Trump spend sixty million on the on this fight
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: on the lawn, right, we did six my healthcare. My
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: deductible went up so that he could have a UFC
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: fight on his front lawn.
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: So CJ, tell me tell us again what you said,
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: like what you're feeling of why he did this. It's
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: like what.
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: It's like a twelve year old boy got a wish
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: from a genie and wanted to become president.
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: And he just wanted to have an mma by and
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: I'll bet you like a giant probably like a giant
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: Sam's Club cake with a really thick layer of frosting.
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: You know those really long heroes we got we they
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: slice them because the Italian hero.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: Island. I just notified, I don't can we get lower
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: than this? Like how much lower can it get? Right?
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: Forget all the terrible policies that are coming through, Forget
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: all of.
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  Speaker 1: That, forgot the Epstein files, forget.
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: It, but this is just at its core, it is
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: like the trashiest it's so fucking trashy.
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: Well. I was like, how are we going to literally
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: distract from the New York Times Epstein files, Like there
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: was this huge article in New York Times magazine last week.
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: You know what, and I missed it.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: I read the whole thing.
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: How bad is that?
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: It is so bad? It's Maggie Haberman and it's so bad.
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: It documents basically how the Trump administration, his cabinet of
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: like six eight people, including JD. Vance, used the Situation
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: Room to figure out what to do last year. Remember,
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: there was like the New York article. It was like
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: his poem to Jeffrey Epstein. It was like his birthday
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: card and it was on the cover of the New Yorker. Yes, yes,
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: I think it was The New Yorker. Fact check me
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: on that. But basically when that came out last summer,
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: everyone started talking about Epstein. It was so clear that
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: Trump was very much involved in the Epstein files, that
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: there was a cover up, that everyone was involved in
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: the cover up, that he was using the government to
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: cover up what was in the files, and Pam Bondi
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: was involved. And so his cabinet met in the Situation Room,
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: the room for Warfare, and meant to discuss how they
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: were going to handle this, whether they should get in
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: front of the release of the files, whether they need to.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: Well, here's what I'm thinking. The reason why they met
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: the situation room where we talk about war because I
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: think that they believe that they are at war against
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: the media, do you know what I'm saying? So, like,
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: how are we going to strategize, How are we going
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: to get in front of this? How can we make
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: this go up?
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Can we protect the president?
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: How do we protect this.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: R we're trying to do? And so the article was
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: basically like they fumbled it at every turn, Like there
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: was no no outcome from that meeting.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: That was Michael. They fumble at every turn for everything,
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: nothing is going well.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: But it got even more met up because including the
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: meeting to talk about how to not fumble got fumbled
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: because there might have been a recording of that meeting
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: in the situation room and everyone's talking.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: About it, the Trump did it.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: They're terrified that there's going to be a clip that
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: gets dropped of them talking about what to do.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: So so they're running around the chickens with chickens with
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: their heads cut off right today while we're recording. So
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't wait for that recording to drop.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: I'm going to eat it up. We're going to play
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: it on the show.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I just how does this?
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: And well they're talking about they're like, well, which part
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: of the meeting is going to drop? Which means many
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: parts of the meeting were a problem. They're trying to
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: figure they're trying to figure out what to do if
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: which part of the meeting drops, which means there were
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: multiple parts of the meeting really problem matter.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Right that that they are worried about. So we need
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: to try and get in front of they're doing planning
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: part A.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the plan A or f right Now, there's
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: probably a recording of this meeting about what to do
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: about the recording and the meeting put that on, put
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: that Sometimes I just.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Where are we? Where are you? What's happening? What did
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: what did we do to deserve this?
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: A part of me is like, should I have just
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: gone back on that plane with those Haitians? Got turned
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: around at customs and border protections and I'm a celebrity.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Get me out of here, Get me to port a Prince.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to brief Rests. This is under oath where
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: we take a deep dive into a topic with a special.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Guest, and today we're really excited to welcome Laura Dunn.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Laura is an award winning civil rights attorney, a former educator,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: and a nationally recognized advocate for survivors. She played a
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: key role in drafting and passing the twenty thirteen reauthorization
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: of the Violence Against Women Act. She is a current
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: member of the New York State Bar Association and is
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: currently running for Congress to restore accountability, uphold the rule
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: of law, and ensure government works for the people, not
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: the powerful. Laura, thank you so much for coming, Welcome
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: to being here.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Thank you guys for having me on. This is a
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: great group to have this discussion with.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: We met actually last week during the Courier News event.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: There was a debate and I got to moderate it
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: along with a group of other political influencers. It was
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: really fun. Yeah, we got to meet you. It was great.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: What did you think of that event?
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: I was very happy to be on sta agent some
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: of you know, there's three debates for NY twelve. I
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: was actually robbed of the stage the first time. I
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: hit five percent in the largest pole that's the requirement,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: and then the news agency decided to run their own
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: pole that was a fraction of the size, and they
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: disqualified me, didn't invite me on I know. And when
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I looked up who owned them, I was not surprised
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: to see four private equity companies, including black Rocks. So ikes,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: here we are.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, private equity is ruining everything everything they touch. Yeah, yeah,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: that's really frustrating.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: So this was like one of the few debates who
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: actually got to be a part of Yes, which is
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: so messed up. It is because, let me tell you,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: she ate them up. Laura gobbled them up, and it
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: was it was fierce Yes. And I was like, I
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: got to get Laura on the show because she really did,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Like you were incredible. So I just had fun listening
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: to you because you really like it's I mean, it's
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: tell as old as time, right, Like there was like
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: the NEPO Baby, the it was like the white men
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: got their big pitch and their moment, and you had
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the actual substance and credentials and the resume, and you
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: were polished and brilliant and we're saying all the right
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: things that everyone really needed to hear. But then of
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: course weren't included in many of the debates.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Well, and that's why, because no one owns me. And
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: that's the challenge in this race, right we have super
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: packs behind to the candidates who are very part of
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: the establishment. Michael Bloomberg's backing Michael Lasher. He's a billionaire.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: He controls a lot of the media in New York City.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: We also had Alex Borez, who used to work for
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Palanteer hugely problematic, made his fortune off working for that
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: company during all the issues with Ice during the Trump administration,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: actually cashed out to live in the house he is
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: in now and he says he's a champion, but he's
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: taking money from Menthropics. So it kind of feels like
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: he's just switching AI lords and signing us up for
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: a different program. And it's really hard when you see
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: what's going on and you know the voters don't. And
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: that's why I was so wound up for that debate.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I'm like, if I only get one, I'm going to
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: make a count and sounds like you did. Yeah, hopefully.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: How many people are in the race?
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Eight total? So people have been very frustrated because people
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: were in and out of this race from the beginning,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: and it was really also part of the challenge that
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: people came in, soaked up a lot of media attention
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: and then just dropped out out of nowhere. People who
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: actually found raised really well over a million dropped out
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: of nowhere, and it's because they were frustrated with the
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: working of the system. It was very clear who was
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: going to be endorsed by all the Democratic clubs. It
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: was very clear that that was going to create lots
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: of problems down the line for field operations. And what
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I always try to point out to people is when
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: they're frustrated, like why didn't you raise more money? Why
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: weren't you on every stage, I'm like, I didn't give up.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I'm right here if that's what you want from someone
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: in Congress who gives up and tosses in the towel, Like,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: that's why you have the leaders you have. If you
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: want someone who fights no matter what they're given, then
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: you want to pick me when you go into thet.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I also feel like in New York, we're always talking
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: about how progressive New York is, right, but I think
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: when these races come around, we really realize how antiquated
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of our systems are. How you know, we
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: really are going to be a reflection of the rest
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: of the country many times, Like, sure, we may be
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: very socially progressive, but at the end of the day,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I think what we're seeing in the New York twelve
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: race right now is that the deepest pockets are the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: ones that are going the furthest in the polls, right.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's been really frustrating. So there's, you know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: all these groups that target certain types of political candidates.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Right there's the women's groups, the queer groups, the union groups,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: and I will say all the women's groups donated to men,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: all the lgbt g Q groups excuse me, donated to
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: cis gender men. And there's two queer women in this race,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: which is like, really, we were livid, you know, when
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: into our community and we've turned away. And of course
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: the unions picked people who have never been union members.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I've been a teacher. I was part of United Teachers
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: of New Orleans, and that means I was in post
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: coatrada in New Orleans the first year of the schools reopened,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: working alongside a bunch of teachers who have been disenfranchised
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: for three years while the government figured out what to do,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: and we marched together and we fought for what was
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: right for our kids. And when I taught on Chicago's
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: North Side, which was largely immigrant and refugee, I was
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: at a public charter and it was deeply problematic and
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: the way it was engaging with some of the teachers
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: who were highly qualified and female and weren't getting promoted
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: and underqualified men were. So we unionized and I fought
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: the administration. So when you come in with these credentials
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: of I've actually fought for LGBTQ plus rights through Title
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: nine cases, I've actually fought for women's rights, and then
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: they're like, sorry, it's not your turn, Like what is
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: this turn? Thing like isn't it the best leader?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: That's what I thought it was. Sarah. Let me ask
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: you this. You said something interesting that you you know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: you went to the queer groups and you went to
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the groups for women who and they supported the men
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: and the sister. Why do you think that is? What
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: do you think? I mean? I don't want to put
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: person in tell me, tell me what why you think
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: that is?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: It's a few different things. Like I think career politicians
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: are the worst leaders in the entire world because they've
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: never done anything real right now, I've never started business,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: They've never been at a school, like, they don't have
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: real world experience. They're in a little bubble and they're
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: raised up to be exactly who above them wanted them
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: to be, and so they're just kind of parroting the system.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: But when you run, people are like, well, we didn't
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: see you. You weren't part of these clubs. You weren't
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: yet a lawmaker. And I'm like, yeah, I didn't want
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: to be. I was in a courtroom, I was getting
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: a legal education, I was working my executive NBA, And
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: why you start like, I was building these life experiences
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: that helped me see from a better perspective than most
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: of the people. But these are two men that got
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: in line a long time ago. Numerous people were like
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I watched them grow up, and this is kind of
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: what they were raised for. And it's so painful when
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: people walk up and say I want a woman leader,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: like run again. It's like you keep getting women leaders,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Like look at District three. We just has election there.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: That's the quote unquote gay district in your health's kitchen,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: and there's three amazing women and then one guy, and
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: he won by a landslide, even though Mom Donnie even
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: endorsed one of the women. And it was kind of
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: eye opening to me because I had heard more from
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: the Hell's Kitchen Dems that they wanted women leaders than
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: anywhere else. But they were like, oh, he was loyal,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: he's been here the longest. It's like, if you're only
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: going to vote for the people that you see the most,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: and you want everyone to get in line, that's fine,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: say so, say that this is the requirement for you
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: to have office. But if you're going to be open
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: to other types of leaders, give people credit for being
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: in courtrooms, like I was already working on the hill,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: which no one else in this race did like you
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: have to have open credentials to have more variety of leaders.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: And it's like that meme of Carrie Bradshaw where it's
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: like you say you want complicated female characters, but you
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: couldn't handle her, like you couldn't just handle Carry Bradshaw
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: or Lena Dunham's character and girls and people couldn't handle it,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and everyone's like, we want complex female leads, and it's
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: like you literally are still hung up on Big and Carrie,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: like it's been twenty years, right, Yeah, But I want
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: to talk about you know, Epstein has been in the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: news a lot, and you have talked a lot about
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: sexual violence in your campaign, so I wanted to bring
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: you on the show. And I know you've been a
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: civil rights attorney for a long time before you run,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: So I just wanted to talk about that, your hopes
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: for New York twelve, how these issues are really important
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: to you, and why if you want to take it
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: from there.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: So I call myself the accountability candidate. My platform is
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: very clear that I want term limits, that's both for
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Congress and the Supreme Court. I want to end insider trading,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: no more making millions off of public office, ethical standards
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: for the Supreme Court. So we know it's politically corrupt
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: right now. But to your point, there's all this other corruption,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: right I try to keep everything in threes because we're litigators, people, memories,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: court exactly. But Epstein, that scandal just really breaks my heart.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Republic about being a campus sexual salt survivor. That's actually
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: how I found my way into politics. I never wanted
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: this path, but this was the right path to make change.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: So when I experienced sexual violence, I turned around shared
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: my name, face story at a time when everyone was
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: still Jane Doe. That allowed me this amazing platform that
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: got the attention of President Obama, and I advocated in
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Congress in both Republican and Democrat offices for two years
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: as a law student, sharing my rape story over and
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: over and over to pass the twenty thirteen Violence Against
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Women Act. It took everything I had. I remember I
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: once hunted down Senator Al Franken. He was ignoring our requests,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: he was not being supportive. He was part of the
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Senate Judiciary. I found him on the stairwell and just
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: called out to him in front of a group of
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: thirty people in front of him and was like, you
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: have ignored this bill, So it really required me to
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: step up. And that's why I no, federal law and
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: policy is so important, and I also know what it takes.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: So when you look at the Epstein files that happened
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: in NY twelve, and none of the men are talking
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: about that, and that should signal everything for one of
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: the biggest scandals. That shows that there's foreign influence, foreign money,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: and really obviously despicable crimes and horrors that were being committed.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: And yet it's not in anyone's radar. That's the Epstein
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: class filtering money and picking your candidate for them. I
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: know both myself and the other woman in this race,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: we would not tolerate this. We are from the communities
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: that have been harded by general violence. We're not going
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: to stand it. And I'm very honored that Epstein survivors
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: have come been there when I put the petitions to
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: get on the ballot in, they were there hugging me
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: and saying we need a survivor. So I want to
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: be let loose on Congress. I want to tear it up.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I want to call these names out. I really admire
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: all the people who have been listing the names of
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: the perpetrators that are these files. But it's not enough.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: We have to rebuild the DOJ and we have to
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: make a commitment because it will show us exactly what's
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: been happening to our elections. I don't think Donald Trump
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: won by accident. I think he won by intention and
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: will know more when we get into the Epstein files
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: about where the money is coming from, who is behind
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: these plans?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, gosh, that's you know.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I just I always more and more I ask myself,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: you know, how did we get here? Why are we
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: in this space? Why are the lives of women and
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: children and victims of sexual assault not taken seriously? They're
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: they're not important. But we love our guns, you know,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: And and it just seems to me that that's happening
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: more and more. It feels like it's getting worse, and
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: it's harder and harder for me personally to I want
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: to remain engaged, but sometimes it feels like too much.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: It feels like a lot. It feels like a lot.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: But I also know that if I don't remain engaged,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: then it's never going to change, which is why we
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: have people like you. But yeah, it's frustrating. It's frustrating,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: and it must be really frustrating for you to be
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: in this position. You're running for office and you're listening
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: to all these stories and you're getting these sort of
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: roadblocks because you're not a part of what the old
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: boys that works the system. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Well the good news is I've never been part of
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the system, so I'm actually like kind of used to it,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: and I think it helps bring out like the true
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: nature of who I am and why I fight. So
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: no matter the outcome of this particular race, I'm obviously
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: fighting to the end. I hit five percent, thirty percent
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: are undecided. It's a race literally anyone could win. But
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: no matter what happens, like, I know who I am
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: and I've grounded in that, and it's gained a lot
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: of respect on the ground. So people who may be
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: looking at them men saying they have a leg up,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: they know that I'm right behind them. So I don't
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: think it's over. But to your point about being overwhelmed,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I guess one of the weirder parts of my platform
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: that I've talked about is being pro psychedelics and why
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: that topic. It's because it focuses on healing. So there
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: is so much unwellness in our society. We have lived
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: through COVID, we have had political unrest.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Us all the time. How we are not over COVID. No,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: we just went right back to work. We picked up
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: that dusty pen off the desk where we left it
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: two years earlier, that we plugged the computer back end.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: And I know someone they left their laptop charger at
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the office and just went back and just plugged their
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: laptop back in a year later, and we have not
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and we've just not looked at it.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: We've talked about it, no doubt.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was it was a very traumatic experience,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: and I don't think that we've given it the gravitas
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: that it deserves, right, I mean, because especially when you
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: think back in the very beginning, for me, anyway, I
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: was convinced we were all going to die, right Like
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I was convinced that we were living the stand by
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Stephen King, Like that's what I felt like was going
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: to happen. I was worried about everybody, and I was afraid.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: And I don't think that any of us really sat
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: back to really reflect on what we went through. And
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: like Michael said, we just sort of went back to work.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I went back to work and my calendar was still
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: on March from March of twenty twenty and I went
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: back in like twenty twenty two when I was like, well,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: just I'm the calendar.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I love psychedelics and I talk about this on the
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Shawl that I'm a post pandemic. Had a really hard
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: time going back to work, going back to the courtroom,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: going back to walking down the street and seeing other
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: people's faces, like it really was emotionally difficult for me.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: And Melissa was there for me through and through the
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: whole time. But I went to ketamine therapy and like
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: my insurance paid for it. Like it was a full,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you know, above word experience. I wasn't in a warehouse
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: in Bushwick, but it really helped me. It really helped
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: me get to a place where I could do things
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: like launch a podcast or you know, get out there
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: on social media. I wouldn't have been able to do
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: without that. It was so healing.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: I really admire that you're talking about that people need
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: to know that this is available to them, and certain
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: types are legal. I have done the more not so
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: legal types. I'm DMA to heal from PTSD and psilocybin,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: and now I do kambu, which is totally an Amazon
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Frog poison.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes you violently also not super cool, but
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: for twenty minutes you're purging and then afterwards people have visions.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: I have not had the benefit of those visions, but
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: it definitely physically clears the vessel.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Wow, I've never heard of this.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: It is so fat Again, Michael and I talk about
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: this all the time, Like, I grew up in a
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: household where you know, my mother equated marijuana to crack cocaine, right,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: So it's the same. It was. It was the same.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: It was the same. And so this idea that you
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: could use psychedelics as a as a as a means
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: of healing from trauma is it's so it's weird to
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: me because I can't imagine it, and I will admit
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I'm also I think a little bit afraid of what
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: am I going to remember? What am I going to discover?
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: When I tell people I've done ketamine therapy, that is
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the thing. The number one thing they say to me
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: is I'm afraid of what I'm going to learn about myself. Yes, yeah,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: that is Honestly, the only resistance people tell me when
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you should try it. I only had
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: positive experiences crowd a lot, but like it was a healing,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: interesting journey, And what they say to me is, I'm
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: afraid of how it will change my life, whether they'll
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: learn that their relationship with someone is wrong for them,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: or their job or dynamic that they're in. They're afraid
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: of facing the change, is what I notice when I
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: talk to people.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Well, that's even happening right now, right people want to
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: go back to what was and it can't happen. You
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: have to be bold and brave and realize that there's
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: something new and it actually could be better. And that's
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: the best part of it. Right. So my experience, the
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: reason I kind of brought it up in response to
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: your comment is I now kind of almost have like
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: a divine perspective where it's almost humorous what we as
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: humans choose to do, because we really have the power
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: to choose any way, to rewant, to have any policy
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: we want, and yet we keep getting stuck in this fight.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Do people deserve healthcare?
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Are we still fighting about that? Really?
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Because I think the younger generations don't have a question.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: We're like, yes, human beings deserve to live and to
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: live well and not to struggle and not to die
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: in the streets. So it's very interesting that we're kind
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: of stuck in this place. But I think we can
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: get past it, and it's just a choice. And so
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: when all these horrors are kind of playing one by
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: one rapidly, I'm definitely furious. And I'm sure you saw
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: some of that power come out in the debate. Lawyers,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I think learn how to channel it and we just come.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Katie Kirk and Don Lemon were in the green room like.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Gags. They were like to.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Katie Kirk, like, do snaps in the green room because
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: we're hearing what's going on on the stage was hilarious.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Because what Laura was saying, like she really was eating
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: them alive, because a lot of what they were saying
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: was just like political bullshit.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: It's sort of that was the pivoting, and that's sort
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: of going in circles that words right, and.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Alex Bars said that everyone on the stage had a
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: super pack and Laura was like, I would love to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: meet my super pa.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: It's not doing a great job if it's out there.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: She was like, wait a minute, Yeah, this is the
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: first time heard.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's what happens when people get off their
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: talking points. I say crazy things, and lawyers we go
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: right in.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: There was actually a forum earlier that week on Monday
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: with Michael Lasher and me, and he had the first question.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: It was about the definition of anti Semitism from the
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Holocaust Remembrance Organization that New York had adopted, and the
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: mom Donnie had kind of struck down and they were saying,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: you know, what's your position on this definition. He was like,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: I don't want to answer. This divides us more than
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: anything else, and he dodged it. Then it came to
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: me and I was like, this is the lawyer training.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I am ready. And I was like, isn't it a
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: shame when politicians dodge hard questions? And everyone was like
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: and I was like, lawyers don't get to do that.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: We literally walk into court to answer these questions. I'm
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: not afraid to take a stand. I don't even care
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: the consequence of taking the stand because I've thought deeply
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: about it, researched it, and I know what a stand
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: for and I will pay the price for them. And
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: you know, I saw Jack Shlasberg kind of wiggle woggle
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: on you know, Israel Palestine and try to be progressive
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: but also pro Israel, and he just flip popped and
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: made everyone mad and he dropped ten points. And it's like,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: you can't make everyone happy, and the fact that you
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: don't know that means you're not ready for office. You
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: have to take your stand. You have to know what
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: you're about and just know that there's a price tag
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: for it, and that's okay. If someone wants a different leader,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: they will find a different leader. And your time is
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: not now. So I have enjoyed the few opportunities have
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: had to really jab at these men who have come
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: up there, and it's just the four of them on stage.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: No one's throwing any punches, no one's getting into the
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: tough issues. So I'm glad they started inviting the.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Women politically aligned. Trying not to piss off anybody. What
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: do you say? I'm so fucking sick of talking about Ai,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: but I do feel like we have to have I
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: heard AI one more time.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna right, but it's a they're going to It's
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: not just the fruit. It's like really important.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: It's really important, and I know it's come up a
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: lot in this race. It's not just like, what do
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: you think about AI? AM not like some Silicon Valley
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: tech bro I do feel like it has been one
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: of the top three things that has come up randomly
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: in this New York twelve congressional race. Take it away,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Laura tell us.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: So if it makes you less annoyed, you could say
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: big tech generally, right, it's AI is just one issue.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: We have crypto in there, we have quantum computing, we
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: already have social media. And I have talked about Section
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: two thirty, the immunity given to big tech companies that
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: allows them to do many things that newspapers cannot do,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: such as spread misinformation, tailor algorithms to create more political division.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: And I think we need to get rid of that,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: and that I think would solve a lot of our
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: problems right now. But I think AI is such a
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: big thing because it's replacing people's jobs. Right, college students
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: can't get an entry level job. We're scared for our
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: kids who are falling in love with AIS are being
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: told how to commit suicide, or god knows what else
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: is happening. We also have AIS undressing women and harassing
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: them in ways that we have never imagined before. It's
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: the boogeyman that's out there. And Alex Brez did a
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: state law that kind of reined that in. It's the
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: only state. New York is the only state that's really
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: kind of tackled the issue. But they did it because
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: the thorough government wasn't why is that because of all
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: the money going in to deter it. So he did that,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: and now he has AI money coming in. And when
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I was on stage, I pointed out that there was
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: four different AI consumer protection bills that he alone voted
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: against as this quote unquote AI Champion, which really raises
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: questions and I really believe is a trojan horse. I
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: think he was sent to look like a hero when
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: he's not. He's just going to set up a specific
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: AI company Anthropic over that appallenteer and it's just marketing
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: and thropics the less evil. But AI can't be reined in, like,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: let's not be fooled. We can say it can, but
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: it can't.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Can't.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Know it add quantum computing that's coming in five years.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: We are We're in trouble. And I think the hardest
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: thing that I've ever said, which did not win many favors,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: but I said it. I meant it was during the
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: UFT the Teachers' Union endorsement, they were asking about AI
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: and education, and I'm a former teacher, and I said,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: the research is actually showing that more screen time and
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: use of AI is impeding cognitive development. We literally have
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: generations that are less academically successful. This is not okay,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: and so we have to have moretoriums. I hate to
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: say it. We can't just implement and see what happens.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: We can experiment on children. And I don't think they
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: liked that answer. Here we are, but I mean that answer.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: AI is not for everywhere and everything. Maybe it shouldn't
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: belong in, for example, wars. We really want to give
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: lethal ability to a technology we can't control and just
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: see what happens. Not me. So I think we can
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: put guardrails around it. I really want to adopt the
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: precautionary principle, which is what we have in Europe, which
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: says you can't put something into the consumer population until
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: you've proven it safe. So you can put regulations around it.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: You can have ethical standards. We can have a whole requirement.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: This is what we do with drugs, right, they have
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: to be approved before they go out. We could do
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: something similar and that way we find out where it's
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: okay and we have them investing in research. Does it
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: in pea cognitive development? Does it not? And until we
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: have people who are willing to tell corporations that are
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: getting trillion dollar valuations, no, we're going to be stuck
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: with whatever the latest innovation is, no matter the consequence
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: to our children.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I hate AI so much, and I'll go on the
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: record with that. I fucking hate AI.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I am so sick of that spoken like lear.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I have tried it. I think it's dumb, it is
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: not smarter. I hate it. I've tried using it for
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: like legal briefs or for emotion or whatever. And the
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: tea about my legal briefs and my motion is that
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: they're from me to you. Yeah, So once I start
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: pumping that into AI, it's not written as me I
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: like a stylized motion her mother was beheaded. A. I
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: is not going to say that when I put that in,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: like help me draft this legal motion or like my
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: asylum argument, I'll say that, but a A I will
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: say respondents parents suffered extreme hardship, like it will say,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: like some sort of guard.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Water down word salad. Yeah, So I don't know.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I hate it.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I think it's dumb.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think it applies to everything, and I think
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: it's over hyped and it's gonna bubble that's going to burst.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Judge also on the record with that.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, judges are kicking it out of the courtroom. People
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: coming with their AI lawyers and judges are like, get
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: it out.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: It's not gonna I had this a conversation with my
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: primary care physician a few months back, and she wanted
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: me to know that they were under the doctors were
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: under pressure to use AI for the note taking, and
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: she's a pretty old school doctor and she was psch.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I refused, and she wanted me to know that they
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: must tell you that they're using it, and if I
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: find out that they've used it and they haven't told me,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I can bring charges up against them. Right. But her
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: worry is, you know, she says, people come to her,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: she's their physician, and they tell her intimate things about
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: what's going on in their lives, things are going on
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: with their health, and she is deeply uncomfortable with the
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: idea of whatever AI turns into having that information.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it'll hear your voice and you know, AI
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: can mimic voices like I don't want to find out
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: where the end of the story goes, but I'm with you.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: And a positive example of AI though, is like breast cancer,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: the detection you still need human oversight, right, but using
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: a machine is actually more accurate than humans. So that's
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: a great example where the research is showing it's better
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: and it doesn't I think, inherently replace anything.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: So that's the balance. You know, people act like it's
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: all in, all out, and it's like we have.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: A balance to most things, right, and we just have
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: to find that what's going to do no harm as
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: little as harm as possible.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yes, So where are we in this race?
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Well, again, I want to thank you guys for having
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: me on. It's so important that we have new media.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: We know that traditional media is dying, right, monopoly is
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: we can literally there's like spreadsheets now of like three
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: companies that own or three different owners for fifty companies.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: There's about to be another Selder about to merger.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, goodness, that's just approved. I don't know how Elizabeth
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Warren is handling this right. She's been calling for the
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: breaking up monopolies for so long. That's why I backed
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: her for presidential run back in twenty sixteen. It's it's
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: deeply problematic what is happening with our media, and I've
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: seen a lack of critical thinking about the candidates that
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: are offered, a lack of expiration. One of the things
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: I brought up on the debate stage was a racist
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: cartoon that Michael helped distribute in white neighborhoods, going after
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Reverend Al Sharpton. And it was a horrific graphic and
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: we found it because even though it's been talked about
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: once or twice, no one's shown the image. And it
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: was to impede a Latino mayoral candidate. It was meant
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: to have him lose. And so I am very concerned
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: when I see black and brown communities saying, oh, maybe
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Mike is the choice. It's like, if it's convenient for him,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: then sure he'll show up for you. If it's not,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: then you're going to be used as fodder. And you
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: should know that about your candidates, who has always stood
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: for the communities, not come only when they need something,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: so I have tried to be the vocal advocate, and
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: people like you have helped lift me up and I
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: really appreciate that giving me this opportunity. I want people
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: to really think as they go to vote for n
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Y twelve, who do you want? I have heard from
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: many people who do they think is going to win?
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Just different than who do you want? And we need
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: to start voting who do you want? Because we saw
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: this amazing shift with Mom Donnie versus Cuomo, Cole Old Guard.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: It was the big money, it was the billionaires. It
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: was this ugly attitude of I will take what I want,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: no one can stop me, and we won. I love
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: that a door knocked for Mayor mont Donnie and he
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: has yet to choose a candidate. I hope he'll choose me.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: That's day.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: And it might be smart that he doesn't say who
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: he wants to move for, because he's not super super loved.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: It was a fifty to fifty split in twelve. He's
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: loved everywhere else, but it's a high Jewish population and
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: people were I think rightly upset with his use of
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: anti fada and things at the beginning. I think he's
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: worked really hard to try to correct missteps and errors
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: that have stoked some anti Semitism. But I understand people
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: who are very upset. It's maybe one of the quickest
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: questions I get asked on the street is like Mandannie
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: or Cuomo? And I was like, Mom Donnie, and people
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: will walk away and starve away. But Cuomo's actually harassed
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Charlotte Bennett, who is someone who interned for me, and
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: I was the first phone call she made after that incident,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: and she said, I think I have to sue my boss.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: I didn't know she worked for Cuomo, but she called
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: me to get a referral and I gave her one.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: So I'm never going to vote for that man. I'm
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: so glad he's nowhere in the city from what I
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: can tell. But he thought about entering this race, and
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: some part of me kind of wish he did so
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: I had someone to punch against, because that was the
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: beauty the Mom Donnie race. There was someone to punch against.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: There was a bad guy this one. I think everyone
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: is generally a pretty good Democrat, right, and it's different
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: levels of experience, And so why I'm saying, Picky, you
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: really want to lead? Who is the new voice, who
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: is saying the things you haven't heard, Who is the
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: person that's going to fight the battles versus look away,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: and then vote for them because when thirty percent or undecided,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: that swings an entire race. So don't how anyone out
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: take your time eight candidates, just research all of them. Yeah,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: takes a minute.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I actually really love what you're saying about choose stop
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: thinking so much about who's going to win, because I
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: have been guilty of thinking the same people as well.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I could do this, but is my vote wasted?
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: But this notion of vote for the person who you
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: really want in the job, vote for the person that
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: you think will do their best. If more of us
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: think that way, the shift that we're hoping will happen.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I think will eventually happen. It might take some time,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: but it's a better way to think about it.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: A vote is a message to the establishment of where
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: the current is going, right, and NY twelve really is
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: the district that everyone in the country watches. It's Manhattan.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: It's where all the new innovation ideas come from. So
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: we're way too much money and power have been consolidated.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: So even a significant shift like towards a non establishment candidate,
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: says a lot to any establishment candidate that would win
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: to maybe be more progressive than they're inclined to be,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: which is good. We want a representative who's understanding where
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: the current is going and not just you know, standing
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: by for example, Hquem Jeffries. It absolutely killed me. I
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: didn't have time in the debate to make all the
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: points I wanted, but him Jeffries, has come out saying
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: impeaching Donald Trump is no longer the priority. It's now affordability.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: And they're related, you know, like we can't have someone
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: stealing one point eight billion dollars from IRS and then
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: pretend like that's not going to affect the taxpayer, So
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: it's related. But the minute that came out, Michael Lasher
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: was in a forum for ninety second Street Why, and
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: he said, it is a fantasy world. It is impossible.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: There's no world that exists in which we can impeach
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And I was shocked. I've listened to him
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: in every debate and I was like, where is this
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: coming from? And then I saw Hikin Jeffreys and I
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, so you you have abandoned your principles
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: that you've said in every single forum because someone said
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  Speaker 3: it's not our priority, and so you just shifted on
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: a dime. You didn't listen to what the people on
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: the ground said, because if you did, everyone wants him out,
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Like especially after what he did with the NIXT game.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: I mean he's gone now.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: He's like, where's your moral compass?
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  Speaker 1: Right? Well, thank you for joining us, Laura. Early voting
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  Speaker 2: Laura. Where can people find you on social night you
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  Speaker 3: Thank ye. So Lourdne for Congress dot com is the
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  Speaker 3: love to have you follow, like shoot me a message.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you so much, Thank you
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  Speaker 2: for coming coming.
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  Speaker 3: Course, thank you guys.
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  Speaker 1: This is Tales from the Dams. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about all the weird, wild, freaky, dky things you send
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  Speaker 1: Sure is, so Melissa.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Who am I? What I always say? Friends? Well, Michael
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: is a lawyer. He's not your lawyer, so you probably
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: should find your own. By the way, speaking of that,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: somebody quoted that to me where in Kate may I
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: love that? I know?
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Not this show getting traction, not this not people liking
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: this show, not that being on my twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 1: Bingo card that was not on there. But here we are.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: You know what, not many people believed in us.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: We believed in us.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, be the change you wish to see at the
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: bottom of the trappy fountain.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Totally random things. Did you see? My mom commented on Magalie.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: She is using ten nine words. She's getting in there
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: she is respond.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, thanks, mom, you welcome.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay. The one thing I don't want
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: you guys to send us medical prognoses because someone someone
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: sent me a mental illness prognosis.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: What what do you got.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Telling me I'm bipolar?
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Are you?
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think so?
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Should you ask somebody not a medical professional why? I'm curious, though,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: what is it? What behaviors? Hey, friends, what behaviors.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Having them do exactly what I don't want.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: But I'm curious, Like I would never have said that
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: about you. So I'm wondering what it is that they're
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: looking at. And they're like, he's he's bipolar.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Man's bipolar.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: He's bipolar. It's like the person who told me that
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: I was jaundice.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: You're like, I'm actually just black.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I'm just brown.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I'm just a black woman.
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  Speaker 2: That's all that it is. Thank you.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Okay. So this is from the sixty Minutes episode This
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: is a fun show review. Mike Alvoord fifty five says, Actually, guys,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: nobody is watching CBS News or sixty Minutes. CBS is
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: full of partisan active and not journalists. Did you not
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: think this would catch up to you eventually? No, I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: This is the first I thought about it.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: He's not talking to you, oh, talking to CBS. He's
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: talking to.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: It's like, wow, yeah, I am really part of isant.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Actually I'm not a journalist, so it did catch up
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: No, he's not talking I don't Okay, thanks, I don't
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: think that Mike is talking to you. I think he's
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: talking to CBS. I used to watch CBS in the
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: morning every day, and we've and we switched, which is
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: and I have a family member who works on that show.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: So oh yeah, but you gotta do something, you gotta
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: stand for something. I get scruples from somewhere.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Scruples from somewhere. Katie Kirk gave me your number. She
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: was in CBS.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Who she she was on NBC?
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: NBC.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, okay, one day.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: One day, you'll tell me a Katie Kirk story.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Is a Magley Joel Melissa's story.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, for one more reason, you should just tell me.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. When I decided to have weight loss surgery, I
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  Speaker 2: did not want to tell my parents because they were
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  Speaker 2: going to be in my ear about it. And then
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: finally my brother said to me, if you don't tell them.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell them.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Did he give you a deadline? Yeah?
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: So the week of I show up at my parents'
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: house late at night and my mom is like, what
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: are you doing here? And I was like nothing.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: You're like, I'm on a deadline Joey gave me.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: I said nothing. Where's where's Pop? And she was like
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: he's in the room and I said okay. So I
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: went back there and my dad was like half asleep,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: and I was like hey. He was like, what's the matter.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I was like nothing, I wanted to talk to you
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: with mom. So I turn around to call my mom
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: and she's right here.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Like I bumped intown, like like alien, like right here.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: So I go on to say whatever, I'm going to
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: have weight loss surgery and they're like, oh my god.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: And then my dad said to me Lisa. He's like,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: I look it Al Roker and he says Al Roker
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: the weather man on Good Morning America. This is important, okay,
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  Speaker 2: And my mom says, Joel. That's my dad's name is Joel.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: I woka sit back, Good Morning, I met you go
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  Speaker 2: I woke on East Today Show.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I meanwhile, You're like, I'm trying to make an important
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: life announcement.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: And when I tell you this went back and forth
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: for like three minutes, and I'm sitting here and my
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  Speaker 2: mom is like, I woke her today, show get your
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  Speaker 2: correc Matt Lawe and go. And then my dad's like,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: you're right, you know what.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Minutes later. There was another part of that story though,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: that you haven't told yet, and I want you to.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I want you to say it.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Oh right now, I'll say so. One of the things
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: that I really wanted to make sure was that I
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: didn't want them to tell anybody because I wasn't ready
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: to say anything. And I and I said, I don't
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: want you to tell people. Mom, don't because my mom
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: will tell her sisters everything. Mom, I don't want you
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: to tell anybody.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: And my miss is actually her microphone she uses to
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  Speaker 1: tell the whole sam everybody.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so and she was like no, no, no, I'm
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: not going to say anything. And then I was like
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: all right, and then my dad was very offended. Yeah,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: he was just like what do you mean? And then
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: my mom went to go do something and I was like, Dad,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to mom. Oh, mummy,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: use something else. Yeah, because my mom can't she cannot
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: keep It was like, oh yeah, he was like, oh
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: for sure, for sure, you really needed to tell her that.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: He was like, but it didn't matter because she told
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: an told everybody anyway she did. I was really I
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: had to track her down.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: She was on vacationing the tea. Okay, okay, do you
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: want to read this one from Natalie Castle. It's about Ted,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: your neighbor, neighbor. A lot of people messaged me about
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: your neighbor Ted.
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  Speaker 2: The best thing about it was that Katie sent us
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: a text message. I'll share it with you guys if
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: you want. And she was like, has Ted said fire
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  Speaker 2: to the rain lately? Dead? Okay? This is from Natalie
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  Speaker 2: Castle in ninety five. You're always having a bad fucking day.
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  Speaker 2: Ted is relatable in that regard.
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  Speaker 1: For Ted. Okay. From the Alex Murder Murder Conviction Overturned episode,
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  Speaker 1: Cisco says, longtime, your first time commenter, Welcome to the DMS.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: To complicate things more, I have an internal monologue but
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: can't visualize. It's called a fantasia, and when I close
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: my eyes, it feels like talking to someone in a
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: dark room.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's so cool.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: I got a lot of people who were upset with
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: me when we were talking about the people who don't
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: have an internal model, okay, and they wanted me to
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: know that just because you don't have an internal monologue
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean you have a moral compass. And I wasn't
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: sure that's what I was saying. We were also processing
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: in real time, correct, I was because it was hard
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: to understand. I'm like, well, if you don't have an
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: inner monologue, what's going on? So people were saying that
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: they see images, they do other things, but they don't
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: they're just not yapping to themselves all day like that.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I think that that is an inner monologue, right, maybe yeh,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: there's images in your head. I think it's like, it's
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: kind of the same thing, take a nuanced kind of trum.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: I was concerned that people with no inner monologue but
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: there's nothing going on, and I was wrong, And I'm sorry.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll do a quick email question. I'll read
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  Speaker 1: number one. Sorry, Highbury Precess love your podcast. Last month,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I was called for jury duty at the US District
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Court for Southern New York. I was not part of
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: the jury, but did spend three days in the wider
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: process involves a lot of waiting around, Yes, forced into
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: a new form of existence without any electronic devices. I
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: noticed that all the female attorneys, almost all of them
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: wore heels. I assume most of these women have some
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: comfortable sneakers stashed somewhere in the building, though I acknowledge
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: they're wonderfully loud on those shiny marble floors. Anyway, I
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: found myself wondering why so few female lawyers were in
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: cute dress professional flats. Our female attorneys still expected to
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: wear high heels, and many work situations are flats quietly
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: frowned upon.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: That's a good question. That's a good question. I don't know.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I think that tell us about just like professional women attire,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I meanspective.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I think it depends, and I think it depends on
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: the environment that you're working in. Right. There are some
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: work environments that are just casual, and then there are
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: some that are not as much. So, if you work
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: in a really corporate space, I can imagine that you
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: have to get more dressed up. If you don't, then
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: you don't. It's more like work casual. Right. Yeah, I
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: also think, and I'm going to try and work this out,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: because I've talked about this with some friends, is that
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: I find that as somebody who's an older person in
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: the workplace and I look at my much younger colleagues
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: and they are not dressed up right. They there were like,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: it's it's not that they look bad. They don't look bad.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: My t shirt that says Daddy's little.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Meatball, right, yeah, it's so, it's and I think that
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: I have been trained to look a certain way when
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: I get to work, right, and it's and it's not
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: good or bad, it's just but it is something that
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: I've noticed, like I would never leave the house if
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: my stuff wasn't ironed right, that's just right, ye. And
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I find that And this is something that I talked
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: to with KP about all the time. I'm like, what
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: are you doing?
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: My mom taught me how to iron, Like I had
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: to iron my shirts for when I was a waiter
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: for the legal profession. When we were in law school,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: women had to wear tights if they were going and
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: they had like a meeting with all of us because
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: the legal profession is still very conservative. Like when I
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: was working for judges, internships, clerkships, whatever, you were not
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: allowed to step foot in the courtroom if you were
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: not wearing a tie in jacket. And that is still
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: true today. I bring ties and jackets for clients if
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: they don't have them. I don't think I've ever seen
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: a lawyer not in a tie in jacket in a courtroom,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: and it's almost like going on stage in a costume.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: So but I do remember we had like a it's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: called trial advocacy. It's basically where you learn how to
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: do an opening statement in law school and you're all
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: like practicing, and this like very southern Louisiana attorney. She
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: came and was an older woman, and she basically explained
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: to the whole class, ladies, you have to wear tights.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: You cannot wear a skirt or a dress, doesn't matter
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: how long it is, you must wear tights and heels.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: So I do think that there is a very conservative
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: wardrobe that lawyers are wearing a because of the profession.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Be we're trying to look neutral to a jury. Like
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not wearing anything crazy. I'm just trying to dress
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: nice and proper in court because for me, I'm like,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: this trial is not about me and my wardrobe. It's
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: about just looking presentable. Like, I don't think I would
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: wear this tie to court, Okay, I would wear like
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: a navy suit. It was a really important here navy suit,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: more neutral tie.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, Because I've seen you, yeah, go to court, come
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: back from court, and I've seen what you're wearing, and
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: you always look great. But I wonder what do you
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: think the judges might think of the cut of the suit,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: because the cut of your suit's take like a little bit. Yeah,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: they're like not bagging right, and traditionally it's because it's
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: like a traditional see, yeah.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: There are different kinds of cuts. I wear like a
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: soho fit.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So do you think that that has an impact
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: that people are looking at you and their disay.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: They've never gotten any like feedback on But I think
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: as long as your dressed like presentable for court is
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: usually what I start it going for.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: So to go back to what this person asked us,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: what do we think that courts might think about flat shoes?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Flat shoes? And I also wonder what they would think
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: about ultra high shoes like the super sexy stilettos, right,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: like is that fowned upon? Also, I don't know these
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: are limitations that are placed on what right these are
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: limitations that are placed on women.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: There's an episode of Good Fight, Good Wife episode of
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: the Good Wife where Alicia was wearing a pants suit
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: not a skirt suit, and a judge said something to her.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: So I do think there are like instances where judges like,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine that was like just for TV. I'm
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: sure that's happened in real life.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: When you are in court and you are and there's
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: an attorney who's a woman suit and heels. Is it
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: a dress suit or is it pants suit?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Dress?
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Always?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm like really focused not on outfits.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: I understand. No, I understanding.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I would say for the most part, yes, okay, I
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: don't recall a pants suit.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I'm going to ask because I have some women in
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: my life. Yeah, our attorneys and I will ask Jim,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: let's ask. Let's circle back. It's interesting question. Actually, right,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: these are things because there could be a multitude of
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: reasons why you prefer to wear flats.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Now I'm going to get in my head because I
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: have a trial this week. Now, I'm like, what the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: hell am I gonna wear? This is pref recess. Thank
• 1:03:35
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