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Chelsea Defeat, Arsenal Next and Ballon d'Or Debate! | Outside the Box · Outside the Box with Leon Osman and Tony Bellew

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The rumours aren't true for me this time, was it?
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I heard you were actually watching the Liverpool game this time, not me.
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Yeah, I was, yeah.
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Thanks for that.
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Yeah, I'm at my dad's house and he wanted to watch the Liverpool game.
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He's a red for anyone listening, is that?
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I mean, he's been an Everton season ticket holder now for 10 years.
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Yeah.
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and he's been going to watch Everton's first team for 30 years now.
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Is it 30?
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Yes, someone said it was 22 years ago.
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Darren Griffiths sent me a...
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I sent a message earlier in this week saying it was 22 years ago since I scored against Southampton in a certain game, which I had another 10.
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That's 30 odd years he's been.
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He's hardly missed an Everton game.
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So having grown up a red before I played for Everton, he's probably got every right to say he supports both.
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I mean, he takes his grandkids to the game.
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He does all of that.
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So, yeah.
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And he's finding it more difficult now.
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But, yeah, so anyway, I'm coming round to spend a bit of time with him, help him out with what he needs.
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And, yeah, when I do, he just makes me watch Liverpool, which actually I thought was a great first 15, 20 minutes.
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I was watching PSG Barca.
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2-0 down.
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I didn't know that.
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Villarreal went 2-0 up and I was thoroughly enjoying that, the first bit of the game.
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And then inevitably Liverpool came back and won the game in the end.
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It ended up closer than it actually was in that second half.
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But I didn't get to watch City.
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I didn't get to watch the main game of the evening, which was PSG and Barca, wasn't it?
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Yeah, it was a good game, to be fair.
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PSG started definitely the stronger out of the two, and then Barca grew into it, but then PSG.
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They're just class, aren't they?
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They're really hard to stop going forward, and then defensively solid as well.
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Barca are missing a few players as well, though, if you've seen that.
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Yeah, but, I mean, you're talking about two top teams, and to compete against each other, you do need your very best.
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But PSG are just...
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They're hard to contain at the minute.
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It's no wonder they've won the Champions League last two years because they've got one of the hardest working teams about and they're all absolute quality players.
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And what the manager did, Enrique, because he obviously had, what was it, Mbappe and Messi and Neymar were a front three, not long back, basically realising these aren't going to work hard enough for what I need.
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They might be the best three individual players in the world, maybe.
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but I can't have all three of them in the one team.
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They're not going to work hard enough for what you need as a team to compete.
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And if you can get the best players in, young, which he did, and then you can get the work ethic within them, just shows how far you can take a team.
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I mean, wow, they're incredible.
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But they're brilliant to watch as well.
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That's the good thing.
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Some of the winning teams about across Europe now and over the last so many seasons may have been winning, but they're not always easy to watch.
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Even Man City were a brilliant team.
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they dominate the game so much and the ball so much that sometimes you miss the excitement of it.
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Sometimes you miss the action and the excitement because they dominate so much and then go bang, goal.
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You're like, wow, brilliant.
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But,
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I started a conversation there because City kept them over 30 passes, you know, so I missed that excitement of it.
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When I was watching the game today, literally in the first 10 minutes, I think Sam Matterface said, we can't even skip to a highlight here because every time we skip to a highlight, PSG are creating another chance.
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They're just constantly on attack all the time.
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Dead exciting to watch.
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Football, the players, frightening.
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It's like, it's just the speed of the play.
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It's just relentless.
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And it's, they don't even slow down.
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You know, when teams usually have a break and knock it back and play around the back, they're just not bothered.
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They just go for your throat every time to go for the jugular.
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Great football to watch.
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I mean, I don't know how anyone's going to keep with them.
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I mean, you look at Arsenal, what you've just said there, there's a spot on about teams who win and they win ugly.
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And that's it, that's it, art in itself, winning ugly, you know, just winning games.
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But I don't even think they can contain them.
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I just, even though Arsenal were so good defensively, I mean, they're struggling this season a bit, I think, a bit more defensively.
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But yeah, no, it's going to take some stopping to beat that PSG side.
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The only thing is, I mean, you're right.
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The only thing is you have to be good towards the end of the season.
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I have seen a lot of teams that have been good at this stage.
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You know, look at some of the teams that have started in the Premier League, winning the first five, seven games at times over the Premier League's time and can tend to fizzle out, whether that's lack of form, teams working them out, injuries.
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You just never know what happens over the course of the season, but they've been managed brilliantly to make them peak at the perfect time.
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I went and did the Arsenal PSG game at the Emirates
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about two years ago, the year that they won it for the first time.
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And Arsenal beat them 2-0 at the Emirates.
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Yeah, I remember that.
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Comfortably.
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PSG were okay.
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I did not think they were going to win the competition at that stage.
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And yet, they peaked and got better and better.
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And they're still, they still look like they're getting better, if I'm being honest.
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Massive part of that, Arsenal's definitely the league they play in, so they can peak.
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In England, you've got to be given 100% every week in every game.
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And it takes a toll on players.
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It's no coincidence that Arsenal are beating teams in the early stages of the Champions League and stuff like that.
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But for Paris, for Paris-Argermain, they're well looked after by the leagues.
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I mean, they're even given the week off.
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In the league, they don't play any games that are close to their games, and then they're given extra time off after the game.
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Whereas, literally, the French, and maybe the Spanish or the German League, them two leagues...
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They look after the teams who are playing in the Champions League, which is wrong.
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Yeah, and it's easier to do with the modern pro because they actually all want to, if they get a couple of days off, they actually all want to go and do recovery.
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Give me a couple of days off after a big win.
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You're winning every week, aren't you, Os?
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Go back to the generation before me.
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Give me two days off to go celebrate.
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I am enjoying three points.
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Never mind.
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Never mind on it more than that.
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Os, is that the area thing?
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Do you know if the gaffer comes in to use us and says, listen to you,
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Saturday 12 o'clock boys go out there and get three points from you today you're not coming in until Wednesday hell yeah really that was the thing yeah well Tuesday it influenced different individuals in a different way so obviously everyone loves the thoughts of of not waiting there were obviously one or two that'd be like oh I can't take that much time off I've got to come in and whatever it was you were thinking about Phil Neville there I could tell I knew you were I'm looking into your eyes you were thinking it was Phil Neville
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To be fair, Phil was a great pro.
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I didn't like the time off, but... Who's the other one?
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I would be...
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I don't know.
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Me.
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Just hated time off.
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But it would affect people in different ways.
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And what I mean is like one or two of the guys might go,
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brilliant it means you know they might have been from mainland Europe or a bit further afield brilliant that means I can actually go and see my family and take time to fly home and go and spend wow and maybe that'll get them to run around a bit more other people might think brilliant I can go
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on holiday for a few days, I can lullablong weekend.
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And others might have thought, brilliant, that means I'll be in the pub by half four and I can watch the half five game, have a good night and then have a great Super Sunday.
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Who's with me?
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Who's with me?
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Sounds like a ringie, that does.
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Who's with me?
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But obviously that changed, to be honest, as my career.
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As I was a young player coming through,
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God, that would have happened a lot with a few days off.
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The likes of Kev Kamms was... And not just him, by the way, but he was...
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Encouraging.
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He was a great social captain as well as a great player, Kev.
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But he wasn't the only one.
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Might have a captain.
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Yeah.
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You know, that was back when there was trips to Marbella at the end of every season and, you know, that kind of thing where you'd all go away as a team.
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That's when that kind of shout would influence...
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our generation.
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But anyway, yeah, modern players will go and be professional, which is what the game needs right now and it's certainly benefiting those teams that do it.
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Yeah, well, while we're chatting about those superstar teams and superstar players within them, Ballon d'Or is on a Monday.
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Have you got a favourite?
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I've been finding it really difficult to pick somebody this year.
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It's got to be Eddie Kane.
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If it's not Eddie Kane this year, he's never getting it.
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I don't know what more he can do.
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I agree.
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Well, we want him to win.
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I'm not sure about that.
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I want him to win.
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No, I do want him.
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I'm not saying I don't, but I just... Do you know, in all honesty, I don't really know him, but I just want the person who deserves it most to win it.
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And I think he's the most deserving, so do I want him to win it?
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I suppose I do, but I believe because he's the most deserving.
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That's sort of, again, that's why it's...
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it's all opinion, isn't it?
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So people will say, you know, a player that played for PSG that won, that won the European cup again, deserve to win it.
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You know, some people will say the team that won the world cup, it's got to come from, from them.
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It's got to be someone Spanish.
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Is there anyone that won the world cup and European cup?
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They generally will get the vote.
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So, um, I, I,
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You know, you look back over all them years and it was Messi and Ronaldo.
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There were some top players that didn't win it during that time because, you know, Messi and Ronaldo were incredible.
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But I think there were some seasons where it was right to give it to other people.
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Didn't necessarily spread it out as much as possible.
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And that's what Harry Kane's kind of...
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fighting forts for a fresh name to win it and I tell you what he couldn't have done any more this season really I know England could have won could have won the World Cup but he couldn't have scored any he's now I think it I think it was fifth
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He's now fifth on the all-time Bayern Munich goal-scoring list.
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All time.
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Already?
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He's only been there like two and a half seasons, maybe three, sorry, three seasons, two and a half, three seasons.
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He scored 154 goals for Bayern Munich.
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I know, we've got to put it into perspective, lads.
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I mean, the league's just... 61 goals it was last season, 51 appearances for Bayern.
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I get it, it's frightening, but it's in Germany, boys.
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Sorry.
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I mean, he's not doing that in the Premier League.
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He's not.
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He was your pick.
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No, listen, I know.
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I'm giving him it.
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Now he's telling us all the reasons why he can't win.
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I'm giving him it because he's been better than everyone else.
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Do you think he's been the best player in the world last year?
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Take the ball on the door.
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Was he the best player in the world?
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It's not that he's the best.
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Do you know what he's been?
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The most consistent.
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That's what he's been.
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He's been the most consistent and the best in Germany.
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Is that the best league in the world?
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Absolutely not, no.
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And if he was playing in England, if you put him at somewhere like Manchester City or you put him at Arsenal, then yes, he's probably the best player because he wins the Premier League with Arsenal.
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He scores a handful of goals for Arsenal.
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Could he be the difference in winning in the Champions League?
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Possibly, absolutely.
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It's just because he's in Germany and...
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And you're disrespecting the German football again.
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No, I'm not, but it's just, you know.
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Eileen Haaland's got a shout.
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Haaland's got a shout.
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He was brilliant in the World Cup.
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He was a monster.
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The Premier League's the best league in the world, and I believe whoever's shining in the best league in the world should be possibly up there to get it.
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But La Liga's a tough league.
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It's not as tough as the Premier League, but you've got some real quality in there.
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It's not very often that whoever's in the Premier League has won the Ballon d'Or.
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It's hardly ever happened.
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Roger.
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So that might be one of the reasons, well, it's certainly one of the reasons Trent publicly stated why he was leaving Liverpool.
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Harry Kane, whether he never publicly came out and said it, going over to Bayern Munich, not only to win trophies, may have been to see if he can compete for the Ballon d'Or.
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And he is definitely competing.
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And I don't know if he's...
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I don't know if he's going to continue at this rate.
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I'm not saying he's going to dip.
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I'm not saying this is...
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I feel like I'm saying this is his last kind of chance because he cannot possibly, surely, keep these numbers up.
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Not next year.
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How old is he now?
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34?
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32 yeah I think maybe 30 I'm not sure 33 I think because I think there was talk of him in 37 yeah 33 there you are for 37 this is his last big numbers season do you know what Noah shouldn't say that because he's in Germany he could have two more big seasons you said if we get our boots on and get over there now we could still be playing well me and you mate I haven't got I get boxing gloves on I've got a chance but not with a football boot to me not me
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Yeah, it's just...
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I'm not...
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I'm trying to...
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I'm not...
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I'm not being... Because I've got a huge admiration for it and I think he's a wonderful footballer.
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I think he's brilliant.
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But you can't... You can't get away from it and you've just got to be open and honest and say it's Germany.
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Do you know what I mean?
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You've seen this fella who's come over here playing for Liverpool, this Verts fella.
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You've looked at what he's done over there.
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He's absolutely tore it up.
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He's come over here, mate.
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And he can't answer Carl's banjo backside.
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Yeah.
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He can't hit the cows.
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There's a saying in there, go on, have another go.
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Go on, have another go.
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He can't hit it.
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He couldn't hit it, but it doesn't matter.
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Cows backside with the banjo.
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Yeah.
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There you go.
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I didn't know the saying.
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My words are just getting mumbled up.
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It's late.
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It's late.
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It's really, really late.
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I'm sorry.
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So all I'll agree with is, look, there are some quality teams in... Like Bayern Munich are a top two.
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There's no getting away from that.
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But what I will say is, which is what makes Premier League the most watched and the best spectacle across the league is the worst teams in the Premier League
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are better than the majority of teams in a number of other leagues.
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So the competition outside the top four teams in a good few countries drops dramatically.
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And that is why the Premier League is so hard to beat.
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And that is also why all the Premier League teams are getting to the very latter stages of not winning European competitions at the minute.
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they're all there about because not only can they perform at a decent level in Europe compared to other teams and sustain it for the majority and the most part in the Premier League, it's because they're squads.
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Even in the Premier League, even most of the worst squads or most of the average teams have good sized squads.
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coming back to us there's only us that doesn't but we're working on it I hope I hope that's going to be where we're going to go in January to bring in reinforcements because we need them don't we we need them alright in certain areas
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Well, you brought us up.
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2-0 defeat to Chelsea the weekend.
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The first defeat of the season.
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I didn't think it was too bad first half.
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Second half, I did think was pretty poor.
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Let's pick apart the first half first.
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Ozzy, what did you think about the performance?
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I thought it was...
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I don't like being critical, too critical of the team because I know how hard it can be to get out there and play.
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But as a whole, it was our worst performance of the season.
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If I'm comparing it to others, we seemed a little bit off it, a bit flat.
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We couldn't find the spark.
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They...
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are a good team in possession and they will sort of try and, you know, get paper cut you with a thousand, you know, a thousand paper cuts to try.
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And so they keep the ball and they, and they, they try and take things away from you in that way.
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And they try and bore the game up by not letting us build up a head of steam.
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And we're a team that needs to go with momentum.
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We need to build up momentum with the game.
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The crowd got on side.
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We weigh you down.
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We get you forward.
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We,
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And not criticising Tieno Barry at all, because he only had one big chance in this game compared to other games.
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But if we score that, and we go 1-0 up at that point, which we need to, in those kind of games, we've always needed to take our big chance when it comes along.
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If we go 1-0 up, the crowd go insane.
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Chelsea's legs go a little bit...
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little bit soft.
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And they're the times that we've, we've beat the top teams and they've come to play us at Hill, Dickinson at Goodison, because we score the first goal.
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We have to score the first goal.
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And there was, there was two.
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So we missed that.
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There was, there was something I was worried about Chelsea starting quickly.
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They've scored the most goals early in games.
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We seem to get through that in the first half.
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And then for some reason, we forgot by the start of the second half that they tend to still start half strong.
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And they came out.
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It was like we forgot we need to be at our sharpest as soon as the referee blows our whistle.
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We started sloppily, go behind, and we were never going to recover from that point because we couldn't get a head of steamer.
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Yeah, do you think it's as simple as conceding that goal so quickly in the second half, just, you know, rip the rug from beneath us and we couldn't get going again?
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You've got to think about the chance that we missed, Nate, I'm sorry, but they're game-defining moments, they define games, and that miss is five yards out.
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Yeah, it's got to be better.
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I feel for them.
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I do.
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Because it's just five yards out though.
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And it's right at them.
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You know what I mean?
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I know you might see it late.
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I'm trying my best to defend it.
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But it's got to go.
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They're the difference in winning and losing games because we go 1-0 up, Aussies absolutely spot on.
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The crowd goes nuts.
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Chelsea's backs are against the wall and they're not the best at the back themselves.
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You know, they've got some fantastic players.
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Cole Palmer, Morgan Rodgers, Jao Pedro.
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You've got danger all over the place, but they're a bit dodgy at the back.
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And I just thought, that goes in.
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They start trying to really hit us then, and then they leave gaps at the back for us.
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Because, as I said, we've got some fantastic talent in the legs, like Keenan Deuce Biel, Tyree George, players.
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But Jack Grealish, when he gets hold of the ball, OK, does he slow the game down?
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Absolutely.
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But does he lose the ball?
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Not very often, no.
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He keeps the ball, and he keeps it in play.
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He's getting players moving into certain positions.
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We're creating so many more chances now as a team, which is mad.
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We've just got to start taking them, guys.
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In general, yeah.
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And going into other games other than this one, definitely on board with creating chances.
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But I didn't think we were anywhere near as sort of effective in this game.
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I didn't know if we were just taking too many passes.
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I didn't know if we were...
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We couldn't quite understand their system of being four at the back when they attack, but three at the back when they defend and wink for five at the back, I suppose is the best way of looking at it.
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And the spaces to get into, and obviously Caicedo came in.
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I mean, they hadn't kept a clean sheet since January.
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That's the frustrating part.
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Coming to our place, we're unbeaten.
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We've been doing well.
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We've been creating a lot of chances.
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And yes, we've been critical of Tierno Barry, but he only had one chance.
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And I know I said if we score that, we may go on and win the game, and we hope we will.
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But in previous games, we've given him at least three, maybe four.
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There's been chances for other people.
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He battled well as well, didn't he?
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He battled well all game.
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He ran his socks off.
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He tried, but it's just that clinical finish you need.
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When the moment comes...
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It's just a bit of composure.
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I mean, it's a free header.
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There's not even a challenge on him, is he?
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No.
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It's hard.
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But what was he saying?
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He's got the whole goal just...
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What you're saying, Chelsea have had 18 shots and we've had six.
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And in previous games, we've actually been creating chances.
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Why weren't we able to on that game?
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Was there anything that you spotted out specifically or was it an off day?
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I thought we were a little bit slow in possession.
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I thought we were taking too many touches at times rather than moving the ball quickly.
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Obviously, when you're doing that, you're saying there's a number of wrong decisions, whether it's to, as I say, to pass it forward quickly, to cut inside, to go on the outside.
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But again, we, saying at the start, we never built up a real sort of head of steam where we had them pinned back for 15 minutes where you think the goal's coming here.
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The goal's inevitable.
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It's happening.
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Just give it a second.
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It's, here it comes.
21:01
I never really felt that.
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I thought Harrison Armstrong's tackle might have sort of instigated it, not,
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Even though I thought it was a good tackle and it got brought back because it was a yellow card.
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The whole incident itself, I thought might galvanise us to, you know, the fans are annoyed now.
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We're going to get on it.
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Here we go.
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We're going to get forward.
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We're going to create something.
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And to credit maybe Chelsea that they got the ball back off us and we didn't really get going anywhere, I think.
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Obviously, the injury to Martinez in the second half really took the sting out of the game.
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You know, wish him all the best.
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Probably needed an operation on his jaw.
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It was really severe.
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And with that big stoppage, when you need to go, when you have to go and chase in the game, it's tough to really get going and get that fire going again.
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Because there's no doubt we were poor.
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If I'm being completely honest, I think...
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I wonder if David Moyes had another look at his substitutions, whether he'd make the same ones.
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I've been calling out for Hayden Hackney to be getting a lot more game time and he was actually unused.
22:12
No guard came on and looked like he hadn't played for a year.
22:16
Yeah, that's a nice way of saying it.
22:19
Which is inevitable because he hasn't played for a year.
22:22
Having injuries coming back from is a bad one.
22:24
Yeah, so that was inevitable.
22:26
An Achilles injury or... Yeah, I know.
22:29
Yeah, you know a lot about that, don't you?
22:31
Yeah, I don't.
22:32
Mate, I don't see how a player can ever be the same again after having one of them.
22:36
Don't say that.
22:37
I don't, mate.
22:38
Honest to God, it's the worst injury I've ever had in my life.
22:41
I don't understand how a footballer can come back from it.
22:44
That is like... Oh, yeah.
22:46
I mean, well, Jack said to me he was never the same after it.
22:49
He didn't run anyway.
22:51
No, I know, but listen to me.
22:55
He seemed to run with a little limp of him, being completely honest, after the incident yak.
23:00
I've got to be honest, Tony, I haven't seen you play as centre-forward before, you've done your Achilles and then seen your after.
23:05
You've never been the same since.
23:07
LAUGHTER
23:08
Have you?
23:09
You've not quite got back to those heights.
23:11
You know, I've told you I'm going to send you my free kick.
23:13
Don't start me off.
23:16
Did you ever post that?
23:17
No, I got posted at the end of the episode.
23:20
Didn't get much response that, Tone.
23:23
The people didn't like you.
23:24
Once again, I don't even know where this is seen or where we get to watch it, but I'm pretty sure it's YouTube, so I'll have to drag that up somewhere myself and post it on my socials.
23:33
Yeah, no, definitely.
23:35
I didn't want to bring it up, but Maitland-Niles did get hooked again to probably poor performances on the bounce.
23:45
Trying to put a positive spin on it, what does he have to do to get his head back up in the next game against Arsenal, his old club?
23:55
Oz, you know, you're the footballer champ.
23:58
Is this me again?
23:59
This is Oz, definitely you.
24:01
Oz's your question.
24:03
Well, first of all,
24:07
Again, it was right after halftime, the main sort of incident he got caught out with what was in Costas.
24:12
And in his defence a little bit, again, it was a system situation as much as it was a 1v1 situation because he's marking what he thinks is a winger.
24:23
Rodgers, he then has to switch.
24:25
And I think Merlin Roll was in the team on that side to try and help with the fact that Chelsea do play a left back stroke, left wing back.
24:33
There are moments where...
24:35
There's a crossover period that's not as straightforward when you're playing with a wide man and a fullback.
24:40
But there's no doubt that we got done at the start of that second half down that side.
24:45
And he's been at the centre of goals we've conceded for the last two games.
24:51
Now, for anyone who knew him as a player or had seen him as a player,
24:57
there must have been some understanding that he's coming in as a full-back, yes.
25:02
A reluctant one, because he still feels he's a midfielder, which we should tell you that he's not your out-and-out defensive full-back.
25:09
He is a full-back that is very good in possession of the ball, that when we're going forward, will give us everything that we've been demanded as a right-back.
25:19
or for a right-back that Jake O'Brien couldn't do.
25:21
He'll put crosses in, he'll find through balls.
25:23
Some of his passing's been brilliant.
25:25
He's got an assist or two.
25:26
He's got an amazing goal already from right-back.
25:30
But then you have to realise he was a £4 million right-back for a reason because defending is in his out-and-out strength.
25:39
I hope he can just keep going out there and playing his football and David Moyes can show him exactly how he sees him defending over the coming weeks and months because he's still only been at the club a short time.
25:52
Would he be better at right midfield?
25:55
right wing so then we haven't got a right back no I'm just saying you know I mean just try and get Jake in there and say listen we want to make this you go on to Arsenal Saturday it's a gimme in it you know no one's expecting us to get knocked on at Arsenal you go there to shut up shop and you throw you throw a back five a back four and you go Jake's in the back at the back and you go let's put him a bit further up the pitch where he can have a bit more of an impact as a player and
26:24
Well, he can definitely play right midfield.
26:26
He can definitely play centre midfield.
26:27
He could have, for a start in that game or even during that game, put Merlin Roll right back, who does okay and has got good pace, crazy pace.
26:38
And he could have put Maitland-Niles in front of him.
26:40
He can rotate.
26:41
I'm not saying he will.
26:42
He's got a good pace.
26:43
But it's an option.
26:44
Going to Arsenal, their wingers are generally either their best or their quickest players, aren't they?
26:51
When they play Maitland-Niles out there or as they play out there.
26:55
So, yeah, I think maybe he does go with Jake O'Brien in that game.
27:00
Yeah.
27:02
Because Jake is, for all of his faults, in possession of the ball, he's rapid and he's strong and he's not necessarily easy to beat in those situations.
27:11
So maybe he does do that.
27:13
Maitland-Niles, look, he's an experienced player as well.
27:16
He'll know he's made a mistake.
27:17
He'll want to get out there and do something positive.
27:19
That's how I'd be feeling.
27:20
I'd be thinking, right,
27:22
I may have been at fault, but next time I go out, I'm going to try my best to be the best defender that I can.
27:27
But I'll tell you what, my passing is going to be great because that's what I'm good at.
27:30
My crossing is going to be great because that's what I'm good at.
27:33
I'm going to try and either set a goal up or score one.
27:35
I'm going to be running forward.
27:36
I'm going to be doing all of this because...
27:38
I want people to talk about it in a positive way now.
27:41
That's the way I'd be feeling.
27:42
You know what I think we should look at?
27:44
A big thing is Chelsea are the good side.
27:48
We're good players.
27:49
It's players who can punish you.
27:51
£100 million plus players all over the park.
27:54
And as I said, you've seen that.
27:57
You've seen that on Saturday.
27:59
You've seen the quality that they have on the pitch.
28:02
And I just think that was the difference there.
28:05
Yeah, I don't think anyone's doubting Chelsea's...
28:07
I think we said last week that they'll come and we might have to score a couple of goals to keep them out because they are very good going forward.
28:14
I think the whole disappointing thing of the day, if we'd have come away...
28:18
And drew 1-1, 1-2.
28:19
I mean, I think we all expected them to score a goal.
28:22
We picked Everton to win, I think, last week, but we all did it with Chelsea scoring one.
28:26
We expected Chelsea to score.
28:28
The disappointing thing was, Chelsea haven't kept a clean sheet since January, and we never really offered much against them.
28:35
Their sub-goalkeeper came on, who was, I think, making his debut, and I don't think he made a save.
28:40
Didn't test them, that's all.
28:42
That was the disappointing thing.
28:44
We never got going in an attacking sense, which had actually been a reasonable strength of ours up until that point, playing against a team that hadn't really done anything.
28:53
So that was a frustrating thing.
28:55
And for us to have made substitutions and Diblin maybe who could have affected the game, I know it's...
29:04
I said maybe it wasn't a game for him in terms of what he'd have to do going backwards.
29:08
But, you know, he's someone that can create.
29:11
Hackney, I told you I'm a big fan.
29:13
I thought he might get a chance to go on.
29:15
Because when he came on previously, was it against Ipswich or Pala, whichever game Ipswich, he came on busy, busy, passing the ball, moving it, playing and following, creating a set up to Rick George for the goal when he moved out to the right.
29:28
Just busy getting and being positive with the ball.
29:30
That was what we needed.
29:31
We needed something to get on the ball and make something happen.
29:34
maybe maybe we'll see some changes for next week it's it's it's mad because we're going away to arsenal which is the one where generally you need to go shut up shop and be difficult to beat because there what you don't want to go is try and go there and open up a play and giving them the opportunity to score loads against you because if you give them the opportunity by opening up they'll score loads but if you if you keep it tight you might get something they might beat you 1-0 but
30:00
As long as you don't do anything stupid.
30:01
Do you know what?
30:02
I don't think this is the Arsenal team of last year.
30:05
I don't think they're the same.
30:06
I just don't think they're the same level.
30:07
They haven't been fantastic the last few games, have they?
30:09
No, they haven't.
30:10
Teams have got at them and they've lost.
30:12
So, you know, they've showed they can be beaten.
30:16
Yeah, this isn't like last season when you go and then you think, oh, well, the Nidans are not near.
30:22
You know, you get an early goal and as a player, do you turn up at somewhere like here and you just know you feel no pressure there?
30:30
Like, no one's expecting us to do anything.
30:32
Lads, let's just go and have a go at them and see what happens.
30:37
Yeah, and no.
30:38
So you feel like this is going to be a difficult one and you're probably thinking no one's going to be really critical of us if we don't get much.
30:45
But at the same time, the reason for that is... No, the reason for that is you're playing against quality players.
30:50
So you also know if I don't work as hard as I possibly can and I don't follow the script that we've come game plan-wise and I go and try and play my own game and leave holes everywhere, then as a team we're going to get done.
31:03
So you go there with...
31:07
with a sense of freedom that maybe you can go on a counter-attack a bit more, maybe you can do this a bit more, maybe you can get on the ball at times in games, but you know, you're not going there with an open, complete freedom because you know, if I just turn up and act like this is a free hit, then, you know, we could get done.
31:23
So we need to work hard.
31:23
What's the gaffer's attitude, guys?
31:25
What's the gaffer's, like what's he, what's, you're not just, and you've been there millions of times and you know, you're facing top of the league, the reigning champions.
31:33
Is he, what's his attitude like with the,
31:38
What's he telling them?
31:39
Like, is he going to get at them?
31:40
He wants to stay in the game.
31:42
He wants to stay in the game.
31:43
He doesn't want to get beat.
31:44
This is just, you know, how it seemed to be set up when I was with David Moyes the first time.
31:50
It was stay in the game.
31:51
Because if we get to a certain part in the game, we can win from there.
31:55
But we can't win the game if we're 3-0 down in the first 10 minutes.
31:58
So stay in the game.
31:59
Work hard.
32:00
Stop them playing there.
32:01
Stop them playing there.
32:02
Be good on set pieces.
32:04
Yeah.
32:04
When you get the chance to attack, get forward.
32:06
When you get the opportunity to put the ball into dangerous places, do it.
32:10
You know, don't be...
32:12
It was the feeling of don't work all our way up to their box and then start turning around and going backwards because it took us a long time to get up there.
32:18
So when we do get up there, actually deliver the ball in, make sure we get in the box.
32:24
But we never ever went anywhere to lose.
32:26
And we never ever went anywhere to actually just hope we could get a draw.
32:30
We weren't there to win games.
32:31
It was just a more practical way of doing it.
32:34
Well, under Roberto, we'd go to places and try and take them on.
32:40
And Roberto was like, look, we're a good team.
32:42
Let's go and play, you know, that freedom that you've just said.
32:43
Let's go and be free.
32:45
Let's go and play, which was fine for some places because at Old Trafford, we went and won that time because we played with a freedom.
32:51
They weren't expecting it.
32:53
But sometimes we went to Anfield and got beat 4-0 and 5-0.
32:56
Sometimes we went and played Chelsea.
32:57
We got beat 6-3.
33:00
Because there's a balance to that mindset.
33:03
That's why his Wigan team, some of his Wigan teams, went and actually got shock results places.
33:07
But some of them, they lost 8-9-1 to Spurs.
33:10
They lost 8-0 to the loss.
33:12
They were losing massive.
33:13
So it's a balancing act.
33:15
And Everton Football League can't lose 5s and 6s a lot.
33:19
No.
33:19
Yeah.
33:20
You know, it makes sense what you've said.
33:22
I mean, you're not going to win a game in the first half an hour, but you can certainly lose a game in the first half an hour.
33:28
Against the top teams, if you think about it, if I put it into context of a European tie, you know, just watching Man City, Arsenal, even Liverpool at times, when they go away from home to teams that are superior than them,
33:47
They don't go there to take them on in the first 10 minutes.
33:50
They go there to stay in the game.
33:52
Always, no matter how good a team you are, you go there to quieten the crowd in the first 15 minutes, to stay in the game.
33:58
Hopefully what you're doing actually works and you dominate the game.
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But you don't go there to go, right, let's just go play basketball with them in the first 10 minutes and see how it goes because, you know, you're on a high end to nothing doing that.
34:12
So it's going to be difficult going to Arsenal, no doubt about that.
34:15
But we do have a team that generally its strength is defending.
34:20
They've got a game midweek.
34:21
We haven't.
34:22
We've got to take advantage of that.
34:24
We have got a small squad, yes, but they're getting plenty of rest, recuperation behind them.
34:31
Let's just hope he's got as many numbers as he needs to rock up to the Emirates on the weekend and get something.
34:37
Look, we went there last year and did quite well.
34:40
We sat there Sunday.
34:42
We're Saturday, 3 o'clock.
34:43
We're Saturday, 3 o'clock, yeah.
34:45
We did quite well last year.
34:47
Arsenal must play tonight or tomorrow?
34:49
Tomorrow.
34:51
Tomorrow, not tonight, yeah.
34:54
Who do they play?
34:54
I can't remember who they play.
34:56
Tomorrow.
34:57
I'm sure it's a decent game.
34:59
Yeah, I'm not sure who they're playing tomorrow.
35:01
No, they're playing that Viking, is it?
35:04
Viking?
35:05
Who's playing them?
35:06
Yeah.
35:07
There's an English team playing them.
35:09
I'm going, I'll have a lot now.
35:11
Arsenal, no, they're away at Bayern Munich.
35:12
Bayern, Bayern Munich.
35:14
Come on.
35:14
I was watching that one.
35:16
Yeah, I knew it was a good game.
35:17
You knew it was a good game, that's why you just said they're playing Viking.
35:20
Has Viking got a... Viking, Viking, Viking.
35:22
Viking, Viking.
35:23
It's not, it's Viking.
35:25
You couldn't work out what it was.
35:27
Viking got a great result against, was it last week, Bayern, was it?
35:32
Did they end up drawing it, or did they lose?
35:33
Yeah, they were winning.
35:34
They were winning, where did they end up?
35:36
Someone got a last-minute goal against them.
35:38
I remember they went it was a big result I remember they went ahead in the game I'm sure it was Bayern yeah it was 3-3 there you go see I told you they were 2-0 up at half time Bayern went 3-2 up I remember at the start of the second half because as I was watching another game it kept popping up and then yeah it ends up being 3-3 great results so your mate Harry Kane and then also Harry Kane goes to his boyhood club
36:10
Well, he is.
36:10
He's an Arsenal fan.
36:11
Is he?
36:12
Didn't you know that?
36:13
He's not an Arsenal fan.
36:14
Hardy came as an Arsenal fan as a kid.
36:16
Was he?
36:16
He's a Spurs legend.
36:18
He's an Arsenal fan as a kid, isn't he?
36:19
He's a Spurs legend, but he's an Arsenal fan.
36:21
It's a fact.
36:21
No way.
36:22
I didn't know that.
36:23
100% fan.
36:23
It is.
36:25
It does, doesn't it?
36:26
Don't you start me off, you.
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One thing I did want to say while we were on Arsenal, obviously Brighton did manage to beat them 3-0.
37:17
Is that because Brighton found a way to beat them or are Brighton just actually really good this year?
37:22
Good team.
37:22
They won 5-0 again on the weekend.
37:23
Good team.
37:24
Good team, Brighton.
37:26
Not looking forward to playing them.
37:29
Good side playing football.
37:30
They play Liverpool Sunday at Anfield and they could actually...
37:35
I tell you, they'll fancy themselves.
37:37
The way I've seen Liverpool play and the way Brighton are playing, that wouldn't surprise me if Brighton won that game.
37:42
That's how good Brighton are playing.
37:44
Joe, when does it become a conversation when Brighton are... We know that they're competing for the Champions League.
37:51
Liam, it's already a conversation, mate.
37:53
They're fighting for the Champions League.
37:55
Yes, over the Champions League.
37:57
But what about the title?
37:57
I don't know.
37:58
Stop it.
37:59
What if City get points to Doctor?
38:00
No, no, no.
38:01
Stop it.
38:01
Stop it.
38:03
Be of yourself.
38:03
Yeah, well, that'll come into it.
38:05
Oh, come on.
38:06
Stop it.
38:07
No, it has to be after Christmas that you have to wonder if they're being consistent.
38:11
If we're seeing them being consistent, I can't say anyone's challenging for the title except the usual suspects after seven games.
38:17
Yeah.
38:17
However, Brighton have started brilliantly.
38:20
They are playing a style of football that I think a lot of fans would want to see.
38:28
They pass it at times, they play it at times, but they're not shy of just putting it into the channels and playing forward and winning the second balls.
38:36
They're an all-round team, and it's catching a few people out.
38:39
They've got real quality.
38:41
I mean, the guy scored from his own half at the weekend, Gomez.
38:43
That's amazing.
38:45
Is that already one goal of the season?
38:47
Possibly.
38:48
That manager, I know what's going to happen.
38:50
That manager, he's going to be somewhere and he's going to pull a mask off and it's going to be Jürgen Klopp under that mask.
38:58
I'm telling you now, Tim.
38:59
It's him.
39:00
He's come back.
39:00
He's come back to haunt us all.
39:02
He's back.
39:03
Because they're football-like players, just like Liverpool's football.
39:06
They are a really good team, mate.
39:08
They are.
39:11
They're not winning the league, but I'm telling you now, they're in and amongst the Champions League places.
39:16
And they will continue it.
39:17
Because, you know, success breeds success.
39:21
And they'll all be feeding off it.
39:22
I would imagine their dressing room as well be on fire.
39:27
They look consistent at the moment.
39:30
That's the best thing about them.
39:32
And they beat Arsenal, not only by the way they played, they actually beat them at set pieces as well.
39:39
I think they scored at least one, maybe two from set pieces.
39:41
So basically, what's your strength?
39:44
What do people think your strength is?
39:46
Well, we'll not only beat you to others, we'll beat you to that as well.
39:49
It's a great mindset.
39:51
Arsenal haven't scored one of this season yet.
39:55
No.
39:56
Is it because... Have they lost their superpower?
40:00
It's Saliba, isn't it?
40:01
He's the one.
40:02
He's the one who's missing.
40:06
Gabriel's the guy who goes head in the ball.
40:08
Brighton are doing this right.
40:11
I mean, considering all the talk that we've had about Man City and Chelsea's even to a lesser extent and spending money and buying players, LeFrancic, Brighton are like the Premier League dream.
40:26
What I mean is of how they've done it.
40:28
They've come up.
40:29
They've scouted amazingly.
40:31
They've sold well.
40:32
They've then bought new players for cheap, scouted amazingly, sold well.
40:36
And think of all the players that they've sold to Chelsea's and Liverpool's and Man Utd's and all these teams over the years.
40:43
And now they've suddenly got to the point where they're like,
40:46
right, I reckon we can start keeping a couple of these players now.
40:48
We're in a brilliant space or whatever you call it.
40:51
Our money's in a perfect moment.
40:54
We're now high enough for the league.
40:55
We're getting a Champions League this year.
40:58
We can now start saying to teams around the world, come to us because we've shown that you can, one,
41:06
go on and play for top teams if you want.
41:07
But two, rather than keeping you for a couple of years now, we want you to stay here.
41:12
Because actually, we're sure we can compete and look at how well run our club is.
41:16
I mean, they are.
41:17
Could they do a Leicester?
41:20
I don't think they can, but what do you think?
41:23
I don't expect them to.
41:26
Leicester's...
41:27
But could they?
41:28
Leicester was a bit of a freak in terms of.
41:30
Leicester had an amazing season.
41:32
off the back of everyone else really struggling.
41:35
And the points tally that they won was lower than expected.
41:37
And brilliant.
41:39
But Arsenal aren't going to drop away that much this year.
41:41
City's going to have to... What if they stay in the Champions League?
41:43
...have the points took off them.
41:45
Other teams are... That's what I'm saying.
41:47
City losing points is a big factor.
41:49
Arsenal won the league and got to the Champions League final last year.
41:51
So you're saying if they stay in the Champions League, Arsenal nearly won four trophies.
41:54
I get that.
41:54
Arsenal are capable with their squad of staying into the end.
41:58
Brighton, I think, could.
41:59
But...
42:00
I'm trying to play devil's advocate.
42:02
So City get deducted points.
42:05
Liverpool aren't having the best season.
42:07
I don't think Brighton can win the title this year.
42:09
Never do I. I'm trying to play devil's advocate.
42:12
But the trajectory Brighton are on, we used to say they can't in four years' time.
42:17
Because no one, like, I'm just thinking the City losing points, getting points off.
42:21
I set you up to say, tell Brighton to get back in their box there.
42:25
I expected you to tell them to know who they are, your usual statements.
42:29
Oh, no.
42:29
We know who them clubs are.
42:30
I literally teed it up for you.
42:32
I know, I know, but no.
42:33
They need to stop it.
42:35
Yeah, some of them do need to stop it and behave themselves.
42:37
I mean, you know what I mean?
42:38
Some of them do, but I'm just going to leave them this week because they've already found out the place of some of them this week.
42:44
You know, the ones who have come up, they've been taught a lesson.
42:47
They know the place now.
42:49
Behave yourselves.
42:49
Go back and behave.
42:51
Grow up there.
42:54
But as for them, just playing devil's advocate, I just think, if City do get the points off,
42:59
it throws the league wide open.
43:00
Liverpool aren't playing great.
43:02
United are all over the place.
43:05
Chelsea are a good side, but they're not really consistent yet.
43:09
You don't fear them, do you?
43:11
I mean, less they're playing Everton.
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So it's just, the more I think about it logically, the more I think it could be wide open.
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And I think Arsenal look like they're going to be throwing everything at Europe this season.
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Yeah, but I still think they'll want to win back-to-back titles.
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I still think it's Arsenal that now that they've won it the first time, I think there'll be a little bit of nous, a little bit of know-how.
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You see it in their results now, making sure they get that over the line against Nottingham Forest, making sure they get that point because they realise even now they can't drop points, you can't afford to drop points.
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You get the job done, someone steps up and either scores a scruffy goal or an amazing goal or a team goal, they get the job.
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done but i'm telling you if the trajectory is is continued then who's to say brighton car because they've pushed pushed and pushed and they've gone from basically they're doing exactly what i would love us to do over the next
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Eight years.
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And I'm, yeah, no one won't, everyone will have hated the fact I've just said eight years.
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Everyone will be thinking four, three, but it doesn't, it literally doesn't quite materialize that quickly.
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So I'm saying seven, eight, if we can end six, between six and eight years, eight.
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get ourselves into that position where people just expect us to be challenging for the Champions League all the time.
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That would be amazing.
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But, it's baby steps to get there.
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We can't just suddenly click your fingers and you're there.
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But, Brighton show, Bournemouth to a lesser extent in terms of the journey they've been on from the bottom of League 2 when they were nearly out the league to now being
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in European football and competing in Premier League, the journey that you can go on.
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And Brighton have shown that actually just European football isn't necessarily a limit.
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They're now thinking Champions League.
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They're now thinking further up.
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So, yeah, it is possible.
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And with investment, with savvy business, with buying cheap, selling high, with everything that goes into doing that, that it is possible.
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Anyone know what's going to happen with this stupid City thing?
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I mean, because, you know what?
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If they take points right to us, you're playing for City.
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What's going on?
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Like, what do you do us as a player?
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Because surely it's not in any of the contracts, is it?
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And I'll bet you none of them have got like a relegation clause in the contract.
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So if they just go, listen, you're a Manchester City player, I don't care if they're in the championship or not.
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If they've got five-year deals, eight-year deals, and they just go, you're playing in the championship for a year.
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Like, where does that, what happens?
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As long as you're getting paid.
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the players won't be that bothered.
45:51
Yeah, I reckon a load of them will stay, yeah.
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If they're getting the money.
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What I'm saying is, there'll be one or two of them that want to leave because they want to go and play in the Champions League.
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But if it's...
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It all depends.
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I'll tell you now, mate.
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If it's one year...
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They'll be walking out in the Championship.
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If it's one year, they might do it.
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Look how many players go off to play Saudi Arabia for years and years.
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Lee, come on.
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Just one year?
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Come on.
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Boys, come on.
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Stop it now.
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Stop it.
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Just behave yourselves.
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Loads of them have done that, haven't they?
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Sheik, he is not walking out in the AFL, mate.
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He's just not walking out in the Championship.
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What you've just said.
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You've just said that they won't have transfer exits in their contract.
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Right?
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They won't.
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They can't have.
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Yes.
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So you're saying City go down, or that was what the punishment was.
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You're saying they all leave.
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They can't all leave.
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City can't allow 12, 14 players to leave.
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They can't.
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They can't play in the championship.
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But they have to.
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They can't play in the championship.
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But I just, I'm just not sure if, I honestly don't know.
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It's killing football.
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I don't know.
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It's going football.
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I am petrified and I'm not even a City fan.
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It's frightening.
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It's truly frightening.
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It is frustrating to watch every week that goes by, especially with they've got a perfect record.
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You just feel like you can't get a full grasp of what is actually happening in the league, if that makes sense.
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At the moment it feels a little bit sort of, not empty, but...
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like City are top of the league and we're all like instead of us being like wow who's going to catch them we're like everyone's thinking no one they've caught themselves they're going to be back yeah we're going I'm right you're going to do it last time yeah well I bet you know a lot of Everton fans are thinking well we'll be above them in a month so yeah
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No, I don't think, I'm not sure we will, because they'll probably just take 10 points off Everton as well.
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So, you know, you just never say never.
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I don't know, it's just me, it's just whatever.
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It's killer, it's just going to kill the game.
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It's going to kill the game.
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It really is, because, like, this is just a no, I told you, I genuinely hope, right, it comes out, and they go, right, Abu Dhabi did fund them all the time it was legal.
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I really do.
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And I know that sounds terrible, but it'd just be so much better for the game if that was the case.
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It really would, because you know what?
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This is an absolute shit show.
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You're going to throw a team out the league, right?
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And they've got the most valuable squad in the league, and you're just like, where are they all going to go?
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What's going to happen?
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But it's happened in other leagues, hasn't it?
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Juventus, Rangers, have been top teams in their leagues.
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Not like this.
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Not in the same fashion.
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I would actually argue that some of, like, Juventus' crimes are worse than the City's.
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Oh, yes, they are definitely worse.
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That's like out of the...
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I think they were bribing referees.
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That's off the strictest scale.
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This is just purely as being a fan of the Premier League, being a fan of Everton.
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Like, they're just going to throw a team out the league.
48:57
Yeah.
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It's nuts.
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Who are you putting in?
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That's okay.
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Who's getting in?
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They're just going to go wherever it's up at the championship.
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Now, come on, lads, let's go.
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Come on.
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Paki's stuck in the Premier League.
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It's the worst mess I've ever known in football history.
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I reckon there'll be a point deduction that makes it impossible for them to come back until the end of the season, if that makes sense.
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I don't think they can kick them out mid-season, surely not.
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I don't know, but I'm hearing that it's imminent.
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There's a result that's imminent.
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Obviously, they have the appeal and whatever have you, but they're all playing these games.
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Every team who plays City each week, it could be for nothing.
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They're just going to go back, give the whole team three points each.
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I have no idea what's going to happen.
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And I don't know what the punishment will be, but I'm, I'm sort of laughing at, do you know the way,
49:57
obviously there was the 115 charges and everyone was like, well, we don't know.
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And all the former players were like, well, we don't know because, um, you know, we trust the club and, and, and, um, you know, we'll wait and see what happens.
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And we'll wait and see until the verdict comes out.
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And then the verdict come out and said, we have found them guilty, guilty, guilty.
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And all the play, all the four players are now going, no, I'm still just, we're not guilty.
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We're just going to wait till the appeal.
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And everyone's going, but you've just been found guilty.
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It's like, no, no, not, not until the appeal.
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Like,
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No, but you've been found guilty now.
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You've been found guilty now.
50:29
That's the whole thing of just being found guilty.
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No, no, no, no.
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Only after the appeal does it matter if we're guilty.
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And I'm like, surely.
50:38
It's like getting set down, I don't know, for a crime and you're guilty.
50:43
And then you still say, well, I'm not because I'm not the appeal.
50:47
Just can't get my head around people's reactions to it.
50:49
Not even defending it in that way.
50:51
Just coming out and saying, well.
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We're not yet, we haven't had the appeal yet.
50:56
Mate, all I can think of is Richard Pryor and Gene Wilder in that movie where he goes, where they're in the courtroom.
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Oh, what am I thinking of?
51:06
What's the movie called?
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Which one?
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Where he goes, you sure you got the right case?
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He goes, you're going to jail for 115 years.
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And Richard Pryor, he goes, you got the right case?
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All I can see is him.
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Oh, I need to look that one up.
51:22
People are all in the halls, right?
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My favourite film of theirs is You'll never see that.
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See No Evil, Hear No Evil.
51:28
Oh, that one.
51:28
It's not that.
51:29
That one's unbelievable.
51:31
Oh, what is it?
51:32
I'm going to Google that while we're talking.
51:34
Just trust me, when you watch, it's one of the funniest movies I've ever watched in my life, ever.
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You've got the right case.
51:43
That's great, that.
51:45
Oh, he describes himself.
51:47
Just trust me.
51:47
How it's left me in mind, I don't know.
51:52
No, we'll dig it out.
51:54
Someone else show the... As soon as the air has been saying it, trust me.
51:58
Stair Crazy.
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Stair Crazy.
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Stair Crazy.
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Stair Crazy.
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Trust me, you watch Stair Crazy and watch Richard Pryor in court with Gene Wilder.
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Is it definitely Stair Crazy?
52:09
It's 100% Stair Crazy.
52:09
Yeah, absolutely.
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Prison comedy to unemployed friends in New York.
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I'm going to have to watch that.
52:15
I'm not seeing that.
52:16
Just watch that.
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Oh, trust me, you'll cry laughing.
52:19
Just thank me later.
52:20
But this is a mess of the highest proportion of all time.
52:25
It's just... Like, we shouldn't even be bothered because it's nothing to do with us, but
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It could ruin the whole league, and it just needs sorting out.
52:39
But I don't even know how to do it.
52:42
I have no idea on how this is going to go.
52:44
Before, I said give each team that's been affected over the 10 years, 100 million each, because you get 100 million at the start of each Premier League.
52:52
So each team should get an extra 100 million, and that can go into your transfer kitty.
52:56
And then after that, I would say 10 points off City for the next nine seasons, each season.
53:02
I think that's fair.
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Have you got the right case?
53:04
That's a lot.
53:04
Have you got the right case?
53:06
That's a lot of money.
53:09
That's a lot of money.
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It's a lot of money.
53:12
It is a lot of money, but ultimately, right, it is a lot of money, but it's obviously not too much for them.
53:17
And they're the ones who spent it.
53:19
We didn't spend it.
53:20
They've spent basically a billion quid extra than everyone else could spend.
53:23
So give each team 100 million.
53:26
It makes perfect sense.
53:29
I think it's brilliant.
53:30
And that worked out.
53:31
They've got to give away 2 billion 20 teams.
53:33
And then also 10 points each season.
53:35
Just the 2 billion?
53:37
Just 2 billion.
53:38
What about the teams that aren't in the Premier League anymore?
53:40
No.
53:41
She's just had a great injection of cashmere.
53:43
Well done.
53:44
Come on down.
53:45
The price is right.
53:46
Now you're talking three billion by your methods.
53:50
What?
53:50
Now you're talking three billion.
53:52
No, I'm not.
53:53
I'm just talking about that.
53:54
We're talking from teams that may have been in the Premier League in 2008.
53:58
Yeah, but go through the teams that were in them seasons.
54:01
And so Everton were in there consistently the whole time.
54:03
They're getting 100 million.
54:05
Liverpool, Man U, all them teams that have been consistently in.
54:08
And the teams that have flitted in and out, I don't know how you'd make that work.
54:12
But possibly say 50 million for you, 50 million for you.
54:15
But each team gets 100 million that have been consistently in the Premier League.
54:19
The big boys like us.
54:20
Well, that, okay, but now we're talking about a bigger divide because now the top teams are getting more money and the teams that are trying to get up to them are getting less money.
54:27
And by the way, we're only talking about charges up until 2018, 19.
54:34
I don't think they stopped at that point.
54:39
You got the right case.
54:43
I'll tell you.
54:45
I'm not going to be getting on with them.
54:49
On field.
54:49
Let's round it up.
54:50
Very quickly, score predictions for the weekend.
54:52
Oh, Jesus Christ.
54:57
1-1.
54:59
I'm going 0-0.
55:01
Oh, that'd be the dream.
55:03
0-0.
55:03
That's Jordan Pickford and me for fancy football, getting some big points.
55:08
You need them as well, by the way.
55:10
Oh, yeah, you're back.
55:10
You keep him behind when he's down, why don't you?
55:12
Jesus Christ.
55:13
Me and us, you're only one point between us now.
55:15
Who's winning?
55:16
Ooh.
55:17
May by one.
55:18
Oh, man.
55:19
4.15.
55:19
I'm between us.
55:21
Rain and you in, aren't I?
55:23
Didn't even get a chance to tell you how I went and did that program with Howard Webb this week.
55:28
You know, the ref one.
55:30
Oh, no.
55:30
Did you?
55:31
He's been having meetings with coffers.
55:33
Yeah, it's out this week.
55:34
No, I didn't have a meeting.
55:36
Basically, do you know he does that program once a month where he...
55:41
Where he goes on telly and does the decisions, and Michael Owen usually hosts it.
55:45
Yeah, yeah.
55:46
I hosted it this time.
55:47
He's right.
55:48
Yeah, I thought we'd have a chance about that.
55:50
You should have thrown them off.
55:51
You should have kicked them off.
55:52
And given me all the card when he was on his way out.
55:54
Have a watch of it, because one of the decisions that he talked about was the whole Johnson offside.
56:00
And what did he say?
56:03
He explains the reason why it is offside.
56:06
So anyway, right.
56:09
Yeah, he convinced me.
56:11
And I think if you watched it, I think if you watch it... You've changed.
56:14
To be fair.
56:15
See what's best.
56:16
See what's best.
56:17
See what's best.
56:17
See what's best.
56:18
See what Coppers does.
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I love you.