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The Late Debate | 17 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debate. Well, thanks for joining us
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  Speaker 2: on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and freyer Leitch coming
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  Speaker 3: up tonight. Remember Pamela Anderson from Baywatch Days, Well, who
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  Speaker 3: says Hollywood is agus She's back on the big screen.
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  Speaker 3: We'll show you a preview from her upcoming movie a
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  Speaker 3: little later. That'll excite the teenage boys that we're talking about. Plus,
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  Speaker 3: when we look at what's making news tomorrow, pressure on
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Albinezi to lift defense spending after he missed his
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  Speaker 3: scheduled meeting with Donald Trump at the G.
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  Speaker 2: Seven, and Israel takes out Iran's.
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  Speaker 3: Military chief on the fifth day of fighting with Iran.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to all of that.
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  Speaker 3: Shortly, but first, you know, I remember growing up and
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  Speaker 3: being able to easily recognize all the cars on the road.
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  Speaker 3: You had Ford's, Holden's, Toyotas, Mazdas, Mitsubishi's. But these days
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  Speaker 3: I hardly recognize any of them, and it feels like
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  Speaker 3: there's a new brand pretty much every other week.
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  Speaker 2: Now. If you feel the same as I do, you're
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  Speaker 2: not imagining it.
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  Speaker 3: Australian roads are increasingly dominated by Chinese vehicles. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: one in every six cars sold in this country is
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  Speaker 3: now a Chinese vehicle. In fact, in the past twelve months,
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  Speaker 3: ten new brands from China have been introduced to our market.
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  Speaker 3: Consider the pace of change when it comes to cars
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  Speaker 3: in this country. Back in nineteen seventy we had a
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  Speaker 3: population of twelve and a half million people. We manufactured
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  Speaker 3: in our own factories four hundred and seventy five thousand cars.
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  Speaker 3: We exported cars to other countries. But in the space
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  Speaker 3: of just fifty years we've gone from manufacturing and exporting
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  Speaker 3: vehicles to importing every single car on our roads, and
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  Speaker 3: increasingly from China.
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  Speaker 2: So here's the question. Is that a problem and if
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  Speaker 2: it is, Caleb, what do we do about it?
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  Speaker 4: Well, at this point there's not much we can do
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  Speaker 4: about it. I mean, it's an interesting point you raise
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  Speaker 4: about the loss of manufacturing in this country, which, of
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  Speaker 4: course you know we all know quite acutely, particularly when
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  Speaker 4: Holden shut down in the great state of South Australia.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there are people who lost their jobs at
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  Speaker 4: Olden who never got a job afterwards because they'd spent
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  Speaker 4: their whole career working in a car manufacturing plant. They're
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  Speaker 4: in their mid to late fifties. What hope did they
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  Speaker 4: ever have of getting another job afterwards. We used to
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  Speaker 4: make everything in Australia. Refrigerators, washing machines, Kelvinator, Westinghouse were
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  Speaker 4: all manufacturing here. In fact, if you go to the
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  Speaker 4: National Motor Museum in Birdwood in South Australia, you can
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  Speaker 4: see a car built by a washing machine company. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: we used to do these sorts of things in Australia
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  Speaker 4: and then it all disappeared. And of course we had
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  Speaker 4: the introduction of Japanese cars in the eighties and.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone said, oh, want this jap crap. But of course
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  Speaker 1: it turned.
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  Speaker 4: Out that Japanese cars were quite reliable. But of course
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  Speaker 4: the biggest Japanese manufacturer, Toyota, built cars here in Australia. Ford,
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  Speaker 4: of course, was an American company, but they built cars
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  Speaker 4: here in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Holden was an Australian company.
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  Speaker 4: Brought out by GM, which is an American company, but
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  Speaker 4: they still built cars in Australia. What we're talking about
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  Speaker 4: now is total imports. Every car in this country is imported.
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  Speaker 4: We have given so much manufacturing to China specifically, I
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  Speaker 4: don't mind so much a car that's imported from Japan
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  Speaker 4: or Germany or elsewhere in Europe or Korea, countries that
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  Speaker 4: we're pretty sure we're not going to have any sort
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  Speaker 4: of military conflicts.
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  Speaker 1: With these days.
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  Speaker 4: But China is a country that we might have military
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  Speaker 4: conflict with.
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  Speaker 1: And we have a.
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  Speaker 4: Situation where nearly everything now, including cars, comes from China.
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  Speaker 4: What happens on the day that war comes and our
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  Speaker 4: supplies are totally reliant on China, they can turn the
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  Speaker 4: tap off like that, and then we are stuffed. We
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  Speaker 4: have become too reliant on China, and I think that
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  Speaker 4: is the greatest danger of this, and I think there's.
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  Speaker 5: A deeper issue here as well.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, the future potential for conflict is concerning for our
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  Speaker 6: supply chains, but the danger has already arrived with the
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  Speaker 6: thousands of Chinese cars that are already on Australian streets.
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  Speaker 6: Biden banned Chinese and Russian cars from going into the US.
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  Speaker 6: If Biden, if Joe Biden is banning something and actually
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  Speaker 6: taking action.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's really bad.
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  Speaker 6: And part of the problem with these cars is the
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  Speaker 6: amount of data harvesting they can do.
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  Speaker 5: They can see your location.
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  Speaker 6: They have cameras, so they can see you while you're driving,
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  Speaker 6: they can see where you're driving, and under Chinese law,
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  Speaker 6: Chinese companies are legally obligated to pass that data back
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  Speaker 6: onto the CCP. So we are hopelessly exposed. But it's
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  Speaker 6: even more concerning because our Minister for cyber Security, Tony Burke,
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  Speaker 6: himself drives a Chinese car and he's been questioned on this,
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  Speaker 6: what if you're going to sensitive sites, how much data
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  Speaker 6: are they getting from you? What steps are you taking
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  Speaker 6: to mitigate the national security risk of this? And the
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  Speaker 6: typical answer will take that on notice, no answer, And
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  Speaker 6: this is happening from our ministers down and we are
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  Speaker 6: so exposed.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the issue with automobiles now because they're not
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  Speaker 3: like they were, but they're basically computers on wheels now,
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  Speaker 3: hence the national security risk that was not a factor
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  Speaker 3: twenty years ago.
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  Speaker 2: We wouldn't have been even thinking these thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: But now suddenly it's not just about our manufacturing base
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  Speaker 3: that's been lost, it's not just about supply chain being interrupted.
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  Speaker 3: It's about national security and it's a big problem. But
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  Speaker 3: whether anything will be done about it, if Tony Burke
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  Speaker 3: won't change his habits because of this you can't expect
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  Speaker 3: anybody else in there.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, And Chris Bowen's also been flogging Chinese cars on
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  Speaker 6: his social media because of course the EV tax credit
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  Speaker 6: is one of Labour's proudest achievements, so he's literally flogging
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  Speaker 6: byd Chinese cars as the minister for the Australian government.
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  Speaker 4: And imagine as well, because of course data is collected centrally,
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  Speaker 4: and we know it's being collected centrally because you've had
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  Speaker 4: car manufacturing companies actually selling data to insurance companies so
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  Speaker 4: they can track how you drive your vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: When you go through anew your insurance.
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  Speaker 4: You know, imagine if mister Jijinping wakes up one day
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  Speaker 4: and says, can you just go and hackle those cars
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  Speaker 4: we've sent out there and make them go one hundred
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  Speaker 4: mile an hour? I mean, these are the things that
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  Speaker 4: they could conceivably do. And as for being watched with
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  Speaker 4: the cameras Tesla was doing that, we know of a
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  Speaker 4: case where they had had footage. They'd taken footage from
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  Speaker 4: the camera on someone's car where they'd approached their car
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  Speaker 4: in the nutty and this footage had been shared around
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  Speaker 4: in chat groups inside of Tesla and that got out
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  Speaker 4: and they had to deal with that. So if they're
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  Speaker 4: doing it at Tesla, don't think that they're not doing
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  Speaker 4: it over in China. While we're talking about the Chinese
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  Speaker 4: infiltration of the West.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, TikTok, you'll remember, that's another.
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  Speaker 4: Thing that Biden wanted to ban in the United States
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  Speaker 4: that was meant to come into effect on January the nineteenth.
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  Speaker 4: It did come into effect for just a few days,
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  Speaker 4: and of course President Trump came to power and he
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  Speaker 4: put a stop to all of that. I mean, it
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  Speaker 4: was the worst twenty four odd hours that I think
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  Speaker 4: many people had ever experienced in their lives. Normally, when
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  Speaker 4: something happens, I would get on TikTok AND's are complaining
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  Speaker 4: and I can't even do that.
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  Speaker 2: We learned so much about things we didn't know about, opportunities,
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  Speaker 2: places to eat, movies to watch, books to read.
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  Speaker 1: I just seen the video of the girl that made
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  Speaker 1: the Renegade dance, and I'm curing because I read a
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  Speaker 1: comment that was like the algorithm saying good biteers, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this app was literally supposed to be my way out.
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  Speaker 1: So sad.
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  Speaker 4: Now, of course, the deal was that if TikTok wanted
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  Speaker 4: to avoid a bite Dance Switch is parent company of TikTok.
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  Speaker 4: TikTok wanted to avoid being banned in the United States,
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  Speaker 4: they had to divest to top that was being used
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  Speaker 4: in the United States, so therefore it wouldn't be linked
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  Speaker 4: to China and then data wouldn't be sent back to
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  Speaker 4: the CCP. Trump said, look, we'll put a three month
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  Speaker 4: stay on this and we'll try to come to an
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  Speaker 4: agreement where fifty percent of TikTok is owned by.
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  Speaker 1: The United States.
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  Speaker 4: That came up in March, and he then extended it again,
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  Speaker 4: and so it will come up on June the nineteenth,
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  Speaker 4: in just two days. There still has been no sale
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  Speaker 4: of any part of TikTok.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Donald Trump has said tonight that he thinks he will
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  Speaker 4: probably extend the deal again so they can.
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  Speaker 1: Try to find a buyer.
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  Speaker 4: But as far as I'm concerned, TikTok has had far
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  Speaker 4: more time that it was originally offered to get this done.
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  Speaker 4: They have not been able to sell it off. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think they have any interest in selling it off
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  Speaker 4: because China thinks it's far more valuable to own a
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  Speaker 4: service like TikTok because it gives us all this data
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  Speaker 4: on the people who are using it, gives them access
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  Speaker 4: to the mobile phones with the people who are using it,
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  Speaker 4: and more importantly, it gives them influence in the West
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  Speaker 4: because they get to control the algorithms and decide what
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  Speaker 4: people in the West are looking at. They don't want
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  Speaker 4: to sell it. They are playing Trump for a fool here.
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  Speaker 4: And he ought to turn around and say, if you
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  Speaker 4: haven't been able to sell it by now, too bloody bad.
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  Speaker 1: Your banned until you've done it.
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  Speaker 3: So what hope do we have dealing with Chinese cars
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  Speaker 3: if we can't even deal with a Chinese social media app.
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  Speaker 3: And this is the test for Donald Trump, who of
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  Speaker 3: course made a big song and dance about the dangers
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  Speaker 3: and the evils of TikTok, only to then change his
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  Speaker 3: mind when of the Pido might be helping him with
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  Speaker 3: younger voters. Have he extended the deadline a couple of times?
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  Speaker 3: If he extends it a third time, does anyone really
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  Speaker 3: believe he's serious?
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  Speaker 2: But he should be.
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  Speaker 3: Remember this clip from US sixty minutes talking about the
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  Speaker 3: fact that the Chinese produce one version of TikTok spinach
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  Speaker 3: if you like, for their own children, and yet leave
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  Speaker 3: us with a version of TikTok, which is like a
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  Speaker 3: drug that's messing with our kids' minds.
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  Speaker 7: If you're under fourteen years old. They show you science
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  Speaker 7: experiments you can do at home. Is exhibits patriotism videos
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  Speaker 7: and educational videos, and they also limit it to only
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  Speaker 7: forty minutes per day. Now, they don't ship that version
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  Speaker 7: of TikTok to the rest of the world, so it's
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  Speaker 7: almost like they recognize that technology is influencing kids development
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  Speaker 7: and they make their domestic version a spinach version of TikTok,
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  Speaker 7: while they've shipped the opium version to the rest.
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  Speaker 1: Of the world.
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  Speaker 3: When you've got a social media app that is so
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  Speaker 3: obviously being used to influence Western young people for bad,
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  Speaker 3: why wouldn't you just get rid of it rather than
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  Speaker 3: carry on this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not of the deal.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it is a bit of a charade because realistically
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  Speaker 6: there is about a zero percent chance that TikTok will
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  Speaker 6: actually manage to find a buyer. The first issue is
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  Speaker 6: it is so expensive, So the app is valued at
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  Speaker 6: around between one hundred and two hundred billion dollars.
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  Speaker 5: To put that into.
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  Speaker 6: Perspective, Elon Musk bought the whole of Twitter for forty
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  Speaker 6: five four billion dollars, so you're talking about something that
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  Speaker 6: is double the size. The other problem is that algorithms
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  Speaker 6: to the CCP are actually considered a core national asset.
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  Speaker 5: So algorithms have even.
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  Speaker 6: Been put on a list of restricted technology, which would
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  Speaker 6: require the CCP to consent to the sale of it
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  Speaker 6: to any Western buyer, which naturally they're not going to
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  Speaker 6: do because, as you've pointed out, they have so much
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  Speaker 6: power and influence in the Western world through these algorithms.
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  Speaker 6: And then you have the other factor of that there
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  Speaker 6: are simply no Western companies technologically able to run TikTok.
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  Speaker 5: Microsoft has tried and back down.
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  Speaker 6: Oracle thought about it but couldn't. Meta would or would
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  Speaker 6: have a monopoly on social media if they did take
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  Speaker 6: it on, so it probably wouldn't be allowed to I
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  Speaker 6: think the best bet for someone to buy TikTok would
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  Speaker 6: be Elon Musk, but I don't think he's going to
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  Speaker 6: be doing Trump any favors anymore, and that was probably
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  Speaker 6: the only option.
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  Speaker 4: I have to ask though, as someone who uses chickens
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  Speaker 4: compied into it, do you worry about the data that
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  Speaker 4: the CCP is harvesting on you?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I need to get a bernafhone. I think that's
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  Speaker 6: the solution. And because my approach has always been TikTok
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  Speaker 6: is such a powerful app in that you can go
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  Speaker 6: viral very quickly, you can reach a lot of people.
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  Speaker 6: My TikTok's during the Voice referendum got over four million
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  Speaker 6: views and similarly during the last federal election, so it
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  Speaker 6: is very powerful.
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  Speaker 5: As long as young people are there, we have to
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  Speaker 5: use it. But I should take some more precautions.
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  Speaker 3: But your Twitter feed was spinach for Australian young Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 3: I was.
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  Speaker 6: Up there upholding the quality of TikTok. But of course
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  Speaker 6: the other impact of social media on kids is mental health,
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  Speaker 6: and mental health is an issue that seems to be exploding.
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  Speaker 5: In our country.
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  Speaker 6: Fifteen percent of six year old boys are now on
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  Speaker 6: the NDIS, with issues mostly around autism and being neurodivergent.
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  Speaker 6: But a pre eminent psychologist, Pat McGrory wrote an interesting
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  Speaker 6: opinion piece today where he essentially says what we're seeing
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  Speaker 6: is the rise of unmet need and met unneed in
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  Speaker 6: our mental health system. So what he means by that
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  Speaker 6: the unmet need, people with serious mental illnesses like schizophrenia
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  Speaker 6: are not experiencing not having the same access to support
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  Speaker 6: that they did when things like institutional care existed. Those
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  Speaker 6: were obviously dismantled in the nineties and nothing similar has
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  Speaker 6: replaced them. So people who really do need structured environments
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  Speaker 6: aren't getting that support. But on the flip side, people
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  Speaker 6: with low levels of mental illness like autism or depression
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  Speaker 6: and anxiety are getting a lot of support through the
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  Speaker 6: bloated NDIS. So what he points out is there is
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  Speaker 6: a really unfair mismatch in need versus support provided by
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  Speaker 6: our system, and it's the most vulnerable again that are
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  Speaker 6: paying the price. And now, he says, our mental health
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  Speaker 6: system is like an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.
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  Speaker 6: There is no support to stop them jumping off that.
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  Speaker 4: And what he's called out is that there are people
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  Speaker 4: in the system now who really shouldn't be in the system.
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  Speaker 4: He writes in the column, rates of diagnosis of ADHD
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  Speaker 4: are also surging, driven in part by a welcome catch
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  Speaker 4: up for historical underdiagnosis, but equally by a wave of misdiagnosis,
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  Speaker 4: which includes substantial met and need. At the same time,
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  Speaker 4: severely disabled older adults with severe mental health illnesses are
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  Speaker 4: locked out of vital health and psychosocial care. And basically
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  Speaker 4: what he's saying is that the divide between these people
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  Speaker 4: has actually grown. And of course we talk about, oh,
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  Speaker 4: mental health is such a big issue now and we're
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  Speaker 4: spending more mo on mental health. Well, he points out
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  Speaker 4: that the proportion of health funding that is spent hasn't
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  Speaker 4: really changed in thirty years.
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  Speaker 1: The numbers of.
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  Speaker 4: People committing suicide in this country are not really moving
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  Speaker 4: because you have all these people coming into the system,
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  Speaker 4: and he points out largely come from wealthier parts of
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  Speaker 4: the country who can afford to access mental health care,
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  Speaker 4: but in the process of clogging up the mental health
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  Speaker 4: system because they think they have anxiety, or they think
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  Speaker 4: they have ADHD, or they think they have depression or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: because they've been told that everything that they experience in
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  Speaker 4: their life has to be medicalized in some way, as
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  Speaker 4: opposed to it being just, you know, sometimes part of life.
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  Speaker 1: Those who need real care and.
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  Speaker 4: Could be a danger to themselves and to others cannot
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  Speaker 4: get it. What he is saying, and he's been on
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  Speaker 4: this case for a very long time. Of course, was
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  Speaker 4: Australian of the Year in twenty ten, is that we
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  Speaker 4: are just not up to scratch. We say we care
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  Speaker 4: about mental health. We don't care about mental health.
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  Speaker 1: We care about.
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  Speaker 4: Mental health being fashionable, and we have you know, are
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  Speaker 4: you Okay? Day and they give out some cupcakes in
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  Speaker 4: the workplace and say, oh, if you're feeling depressed, go
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  Speaker 4: and talk to someone. But if you have a real
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  Speaker 4: mental health problem and you want to get help in
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  Speaker 4: this country, it's nigh on impossible. Try to take yourself
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  Speaker 4: to a public hospital and get help for mental health.
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  Speaker 4: It is impossible. I know from personal experience, not me
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  Speaker 4: going to a hospital, I.
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  Speaker 1: Know people who have like they have gone to a hospital.
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  Speaker 4: Desperate for help, and they cannot get it because we
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  Speaker 4: cannot provide it because we have too many people clogging
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  Speaker 4: up the system, and we don't spend the money where
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  Speaker 4: it's need to be spent.
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  Speaker 1: I think it is an absolute disgrace.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if you want to know how bad it is,
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  Speaker 3: I mean the conversation about what are we doing for
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  Speaker 3: people with schizophrenia. That conversation really didn't exist much until
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  Speaker 3: the Bondai a Junction stabbing, and then when it came
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  Speaker 3: to pass that we realize this is a guy who's
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  Speaker 3: slipped through the system multiple times, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: there's a conversation. It took something like that to get
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  Speaker 3: people talking about this issue, and the labor government haven't helped.
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  Speaker 3: They cut by half the number of Medicare subsidized mental
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  Speaker 3: health appointments you can make from twenty to ten. And
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  Speaker 3: I was talking to a psychologists recently who said the number.
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  Speaker 2: Of people requiring.
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  Speaker 3: Psychology appointments since the pandemic just exploded. But the frustration,
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  Speaker 3: she said was you get just a few sessions with people,
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: it's enough, she said, to put a band aid on it.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: But then you send them.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Back out and you just know they're going to have
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: ongoing problems, either with themselves or with other people.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: But that's it. There's no more funding, and they just
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: move on to the next one. So it's frustration all.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Around because it's much easier to do that are you
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: okay day everyone feels good about themselves than to deal
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: with the really hard pressing issues.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: And the other problem that I've heard from psychologists about
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: the increased subsidies is the challenges It drains resources from
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: the psychology and psychiatrist profession, but it's not necessarily going
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: to the most vulnerable And the interesting point that was
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: raised in this article is that when they were called
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: asylum centers mental asylums, but really structured institutional care for
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: people with severe mental illness.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: When those were disbanded in the nineties.
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: Everyone promised that some new revolutionary model of integrated community
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: care would happen. But it just hasn't, and so they've
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: broken that promise and now the people who are most
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: in need have been left with nothing.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Indeed, let's go to the Middle East, where everybody is
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: on tetorhooks.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: At the moment.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: The Israeli Defense Forces and her Masterol eagerly waiting the
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: outcome of tonight's Northern Beaches Council meeting, where our councilors
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: here in Sydney will debate whether or not they should
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: call for a ceasefire in Gaza. The motion been moved
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: by a Greens counselor you're not surprised at all by that,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: are you, Ethan Henjik, who is just twenty one years old.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: So I'm not sure Cayleb whether this is because he's
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: twenty one or because he's a Green. Maybe you put
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: those two things together and you get ridiculous motions or
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: he's a bit thick, or it could be that a
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: combination of all three no doubts. So this Greens Council
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: at twenty one years old, as I said, he's having
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: the Northern Beaches Council debate tonight to call for a ceasefire,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: to boycott Israel companies and get this to formally commend
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: activists aligned with the anti Israel movement.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Now, he says, this vote is very important.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Because there's one other thing on the agenda tonight in
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: the Northern Beaches Council, and that's a twenty five percent
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: rate rise. Now those two things are connected. I'll let
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: the Greens councilor explain. In his own words, he says,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: considering we may be asking residents for an increase in rates,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: this meeting is the perfect time to put our community
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: at ease. That counts is not complicit what in this
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: complex international issue. Because of course, if you're living on
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: the Northern Beaches of Sydney, you don't want.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: To copp a twenty five percent rate rise.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: But if you know that your council members are calling
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: for a ceasefire in gas, I tell you it helps
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: you deal with that twenty five percent rise. Far more
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: easily caleber. Everybody knows this to be the case.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: I'm gone, I'd take a twenty five percent increase in
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: my council rates any day to know that my council
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: really cares about geopolitics. I mean, how dumbed do you
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: have to be? And by the way, how slow do
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: you have to be? How slow are they in the
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Northern Beaches. I think we're up to twenty twenty months
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: since since the war started October twenty twenty three, and
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: now we get.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: A motion at the council to talk about it. Please
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: stick to your knitting. This is none of your business.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Roads rates rubbish, like I know why they do it
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: because councils populated and you can you know, he's twenty one,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: he's a member of the Greens, so clearly he has
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: political ambition and he can't quite hack the fact that
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: in order to work up to where he wants to get,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: which is state or federal politics, is to do his
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: dues in local.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Government for a while.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: He's really care about the issues of local government. He's
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: just doing it so that when he goes for pre
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: selection one day, it'll look good on the piece when
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: he gives it to the members to say, pre select me.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: He doesn't actually care about the roads or the rape
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: or the rubbish. He cares about other stuff, So he's
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: trying to insert his pet politics into the council.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Go away, say if the Liberal Party cared enough about
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: the people of the Northern Beaches, they would have got
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: their nominations on time and we probably wouldn't have this
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Greens guy whose previous work experience.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: According to other council members.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if this is in jest or if
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: it's true, but Vincent de Lusa, an independent councilor there
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: with the Green, said this immature twenty one year old
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: whose highest experience is working at conducting fried chicken, and
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: nothing wrong with using the Northern Beaches Council to climb
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: the Green.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Political No, but you will laugh at this motion.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: And while I'm not one for pro Palestine motions, especially
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: ones that don't mention Hamas or bringing the hostages home,
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: I will say there is one aspect of this that
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: I particularly like, and that's where he says the Northern
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: Beaches Council needs to offer targeted support to Palestinian refugees
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: on the beaches. One I would like to know how
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: many Palestinian refugees are there on the beaches and if
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: there are none, could we take this as an offer
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: to host the three thousand gardens who've just been granted
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: tourist visas, because I think the Northern Beaches would.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: Be a perfect place to put them.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: And if after receiving three thousand gardens, the Northern Beaches
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: still wants to vote in the Greens councilor I will
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: be very shocked.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I tell you, if you think the Northern Beaches
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Council is bad, it could be worse. You could be
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: living in Melbourne, where the Merybeck Council has just realized
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: twelve years after the fact they overcharged two hundred and
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: forty eight thousand motorists by twelve million dollars on parking fines. Now,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: I think the reason why it's taken them so long
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: to realize they've overcharged locals twelve million dollars for parking
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: fines is they were otherwise occupied occupied on things like well,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: they changed the name of their council area. They changed
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: it from Morland to Mirriback. Spent half a million dollars
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: doing that because Morland was associated with a Jamaican slave trader.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Back in April, they spent forty five thousand dollars on
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Pride crossings. They in twenty twenty three came up with
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: an eleven point resolution on the conflict in Gaza, so
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: little wonder it's taken them so long to realize. Back
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: in twenty thirteen, they overcharged residents by twelve million dollars.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: They've promised to repay the money, but get this calib
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: it's an opt in refund system. So rather than them
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: going to residents who have been over charged, they are
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: waiting to see residents come to them, what twelve years
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: after the event, for a refund on the money that
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: they were not supposed to have paid.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: This is a scam and mary Beck, by the way,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: is not a real term when they came up with that.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: I was at the Herald Soun in Melbourne at the
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: time and one local Indigenous elder said that he'd scoured
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: through the local language and he could not find the
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: word beck anywhere, that the closest translation was probably actually
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: big bb ik, and that the word they come up with,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: mary Beck, which Brent me rocky country, is not.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Grammatically correct in the language. So there you go.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: They did a great job when they went out to
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: be culturally sensitive.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: But this is a scam.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: The idea that a council or any level of government
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: for that matter, can find you more than they are
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: allowed to and they think it was about fifty dollars
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: per fine above what they should have been charging for
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: twelve years, twelve odd.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Million dollars more than they we're allowed to ask for.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: And then they say it's all good because we've set
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: up a bit on our website where you can go
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: and apply to get.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Your money back.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: I mean they should be compelled by law to give
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: this money back to people. How can you take more
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: money from people than they owe to you and then
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: say well, you've got twelve months to claim it back.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: That's theft and.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: No one's going to do it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: Who on earth is monitoring the council website in Merrieback
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: and will happen to assemble across the fact that, oh,
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: maybe that one time I was fined a decade ago,
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: I may have been overcharged.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: Let me just apply and with that receipt.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: But it gets worse than that.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Let's imagine they do pay back the twelve million, right,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: what council these days, has got twelve million dollars down
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: the back of the couch. Where will they get the
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: money from?
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Caleb? I reckon they'll probably add a little bit more to.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: The rates, you know what.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: They should be banned from doing so they should have
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: to pay for this quite literally in all the money,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: and then have to deal with the fact that they
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: don't have the money to make up for him and parsulably,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: they've already spent that twelve million dollars, So good luck
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: to them. If you didn't overcharge people, you wouldn't have
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: a problem. Speaking of overcharging overseas in Europe, they're going
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: tropo at the moment about all the tourists who are
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: coming over. Of course, it's summer in Europe now and
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: tourists are flocking there to soak up some of the
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: warm weather. Made de Mands just done two weeks in
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Morocco and then arrived in Spain the other day, and
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: he's thoroughly enjoying that.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Spoke to him.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: I think it was last night at about ten am
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: local time. It was already over thirty degrees. He was
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: about to jump into pool, which sounded quite pleasant. As
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: I was driving into work here in Chile, Sydney, but
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: they're angry. Would you believe you can see it on
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: the screen here with all these tourists. They've been protesting
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: in Spain, in Barcelona, They've been protesting over in Milan,
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: in Venice, Lisbon, Naples, on and on it goes because
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: there are too many tourists, the locals say.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: They say they've been over by.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Tourists and everything is now far too expensive. They can't
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: afford coffee, apparently, they can't afford to go out to eat,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: they can't afford to buy an alcoholic drink because of
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: course they're jacking up all the prices in the restaurants
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: and the cafes to cater to the cashed up tourists
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: have come in with all their money from the UK
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: and Australia, etc. And I can kind of understand bother
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: they were shooting tourists with water pistols, which is actually
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: quite funny. I can kind of understand where they're coming from,
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: because I get it. If you're a local and all
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: of a sudden you're essentially priced out of your own
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: city because the city is now overrun with tourists who
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: are awash with money, you would go well, what the
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: hell this is my town.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I've lived here my whole life. I should be able
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to afford to live here.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: And Barcelona had twenty six million tourists last year. It's
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: a city of one point six million people, so that
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: these are sizeable numbers of people. But are they not
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: biting the hand it feeds them to some degree? Because
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: to tourism is huge business for Europe. So you can say, look,
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: it's become too expensive to live here, and I don't
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: But if you took the.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Tourists away, what underpins the economy, particularly this time of
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: year for these countries, they'd find themselves in recession, would
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: they not?
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Exactly?
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: And in those Mediterranean states where they were protesting Spain, Portugal, Italy,
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: tourism makes up to twenty percent of their GDP twenty percent,
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: millions and millions of jobs. If tourism was taken away,
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: if those cashed up Aussies and Brits didn't get to
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: go to Spain, then they would also suffer. So, yes,
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: things are more expensive, but you're also making more money.
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: And tourism is also critical for Europe because they have
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: barely any innovation. Their productivity is lagging they're extremely overregulated.
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: It's hard to do business in any other sector other
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: than tourism and agriculture and a lot of these Mediterranean countries.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: So if they don't have that, what else do they have?
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: Do these protesters want to get out onto the farm?
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: I doubt it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I've got a lot of sympathy for these guys.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: You mentioned the stats, right, So Barcelona one point six
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: million people living there, twenty six million tourists a year.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Santorini fifteen thousand people living there, three point four million
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: tourists a year, Lisbon half a million people living there,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: six million tourists a year, compared to Sydney five and
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: a half million people living here three point five million
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: tourists a year.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: So I can understand why they'd be upset.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: So they're trying to take some measures to counter this, right,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: So they're not anti tourists, they're just anti mass tourism
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: that is unregulated and unchecked. In Venice, they've introduced a
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: tourism tax to try and mitigate some of the lifestyle
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: factors that are impacted by huge numbers of people in Barcelona,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: that put regulations on airbnbs to try and mitigate the
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: housing crisis caused by mass tourism. I like in Santorini,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: they've actually regulated who can and can't ride on donkeys
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: because they had so many people arriving and needing to
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: go up the hill on donkeys. There were complaints from
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: locals that donkeys' spinal injuries were through the roof, and.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: So now it's actually a regulation.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Tourists who weigh one hundred killing rounds are not allowed
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: to ride on donkeys.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: No Yanks allowed.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're put in sub mitigating strategy. But I understand,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: and the villain here is not the tourists.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: The villain is the socialist governments who have stripped manufacturing,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: gotten rid of all the jobs. They've created a massive
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: welfare state and the only way to pay for it
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: now is to show off the ruins of their culture.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: What about modern day now? What's happening now?
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: The villain is the socialist governments who've left these people
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: with not much option now to make abut them to
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: wait tables.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly right, And in that respect, I do feel
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: bad for them.
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: Their city has basically become a theme park rather.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Than while they're mad it is.
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, here's another interesting story also coming out of Europe.
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: Could sunlight become the next whapon and in global warfare? Well,
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: A leaked memos headed for Downing Street thinks it may.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: Technology is designed to combat global warming, mainly where you
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: reflect sunlight back.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: Into the atmosphere could potentially.
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: Be used by hostile powers in a form of geo
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: re engineering to disrupt climate crops and cause mass catastrophic
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: weather events. Essentially, it sounds pretty dire, but the UK
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: government is taking this so seriously that they're spending about
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: fifty seven million pounds on a research study into the
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: potential for geore engineering through sunlight by hostile foreign powers.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Want to do soular geoengineering, but we're worried that others
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: might do it, so we're going to research and learn
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: how to do.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: It ourselves, just so we know what our enemies might
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: get up to. But this is ridiculous.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Really, Russia is going to destroy the UK by producing
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: an actual summer.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: That's their strategy. And what will the UK do if
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Russia are successful.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: They'll issue everyone with hats, so it'll be like the
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Iron Dome for people in Britain.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: They'll get a hat and they'll be fine.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: To attack the UK with sun, you have to have
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: somen in the first instance.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Even Doctor Evil wouldn't go with a plan this stupid.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: No, you'd attack the UK or any other part of
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: the world by making it rain all the time, because
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: you can destroy the crops by doing that.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: It's already raining in the UK all the time.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: I know. Well, they actually over the last couple of years,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: they've had significant rainfall in the UK, to the point
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: where it's like been the worst farming conditions that they've
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: experienced in a century. Farmers saying we just can't do
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: this anymore because we can't plant anything, we can't pull
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: crops out of the ground, nothing is growing properly. So
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: they've had serious problems in the last few years. So
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: my worry would not be so much that they were
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: going to allow you to have sun, because it would
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: be rather pleasant. But if you can find a way
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: to manipulate the weather to cause lots and lots and
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: lots and lots of rainfall, you can harm food security
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: quite significantly. If you cut off the supply of foods
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: from other parts of the world and then make it
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: rain three hundred and sixty five days a year in
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: the United Kingdom, they won't be able to sow seeds
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: in the ground, and they won't be able to go
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: they do this, that's what they want to do.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: I think you'd see the Russian plane flying across London,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: you know, spraying aerosol into the atmosphere, or well, seedy cloud.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Who knows what technology we might have in ten, twenty, thirty,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: forty fifty years time. I just want to say though,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, the idea of weather modification we were told
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: was a conseriracy theory, right, it must be, you know,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: column A for the conspiracy theorists one hundred, column B
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: for the people who say it's all.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Conspiracy theory zero at this point.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Because every time there's a conspiracy theory like weather.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Modification, it seems to come true.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: It's true. Let's go to Melbourne.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Now, we're never glad about a business going out of business.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: That's never a good thing.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: But there has been a bakery in Melbourne that's just
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: shut their doors and it's a rather curious. The bakery
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: is called All Are Welcome. There's three locations around Melbourne.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: This bakery came to our attention in the first instance
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: because they used to advertise that they would be open
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: on Australia Days. That they never called it Australia Day.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: They advertised will be open on Invasion Day, and they
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: would put a little note on their Instagram adding sovereignty
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: never seeded.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: So this bakery was very.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Keen to be seen to be on the right side
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: of these sort of progressive issues. Well, now, sadly they've
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: gone out of business. But what's interesting is they've left
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: their approximately sixty staff almost four hundred thousand dollars out
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: of pocket. According to a report by the ABC, this
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: very woke bakery owes two hundred and forty three thousand
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: dollars in superannuation payments and about one hundred and twenty
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: five thousand dollars in leave entitlements to their staff. So
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: again not rejoicing they've gone out of business, Freyer, But
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: it's a little interesting when you're signaling how virtual you
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: are in terms of what happened in this country two
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: hundred years ago, but can't pay your staff the superannuation
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: they're owed today.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit hypocritical.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Well, it was definitely all a marketing ploy.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: If you look on their Instagram where that graphic was posted,
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: that had over three hundred likes, whereas their typical post
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: only has one to two hundred. So clearly the people
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: of Inner Melbourne love that stuff and so the progressive
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: issues they drive business, whether or not they're actually committed
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: to being virtuous in their own management of the business.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: WHI seems like people like the Instagram posts. They just
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: didn't go there and buy the product, otherwise that you'll
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: be in business.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: I guess it's the old case of go work, go broke,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: isn't it.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: But my advice would.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Be, if you want to signal your virtue, perhaps make
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: sure you have some virtue in the first place.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: including Anthony Albanesi under real pressure now to increase our
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: defense spending after he missed that meeting with Donald Trump
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: at the G seven.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: That and more in just a moment, welcome back.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow, and
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: of course, Freyer, most of the papers are talking about
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: that G seven meeting and Anthony Albanese's missed schedule with
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: It's pretty huge.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: The headline in the Australian says rock Starmer locks in
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: subs as PM MISSUS gig Anthony Albanezi will face extreme
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: pressure to ramp up Australia's defense spending following Donald Trump's
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: decision to cancel their long awaited meeting in Canada shortly
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: after delivering British Prime Minister Keir Starmer tariff exemptions and
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: assurances on the future of the three hundred and sixty
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: eight billion dollar or Casteele on the last day of
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: his one week overseas trip. Geared around his first in
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: person meeting with the US President, The Prime Minister was
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: blindsided when the White House revealed mister Trump would leave
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: the G seven summit too early to deal with the escalating.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Israel Iran war.
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: Now can't blame Trump for leaving early to deal with
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: what could potentially turn into a global conflict, but it
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: does underscore how low on the list of priorities for
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: the US we in Australia are like. The meeting initially
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: was only supposed to be twenty minutes, which is pretty embarrassing.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: In the first place, it was at the back of
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: the agenda. Now we're not even getting that well.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanizi has been reduced to trying to pick up
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: clues from Kios Starmer's meeting with Trump as to what's
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: going to happen with Australia. Keir Starmer says that Orcus
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: is going to be okay, So Albanezi is taking that
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: as a hint that Trump believes that's where our relationship
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: with the US is at.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Penny Wong defended the Prime Minister as you would expect
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: her to do, saying, well, you know, the fact he's
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: missed this meeting is not a big deal. Trump missed
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: meetings with other world leaders. But Anthony Albanzi has had
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: three quote constructive phone calls with the US present. Well,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: if they were that constructive, why do we still not
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: have anyemption on tariffs? Why are we're still not sure
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: on the orcst submarine deal.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: They're the issues.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: We don't know what's happening, So they can't have been
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: that constructive.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and also, you know, while I acknowledge, I understand
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: why Trump left, and he didn't have to like get
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: up from his dinner seat and.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Bugger off back to the United States straight away.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: It did he could have you know, organized twenty minutes
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: with Albanzi on the way out, but that clearly was
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: not at the.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Top of his mind.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: And we should also note as well that Albanze has
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: gone to the G seven, of which we are not
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: a member, to be on the sidelines, so he can
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: have twenty minutes with Trump. He's not gone to the
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: White House like basically everyone else had. I mean even
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Cyril Ramaposa went to the White House for heaven's sake,
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: and Albanesi has gone then now, of course.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: He's still in the region.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Albaniese is in Canada at the moment, so he should
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: be getting on the phone or his people should be
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: getting on the phone to organize a meeting at the
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: White House in the next few days if possible.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: And if we can't pull that off, we should be
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: asking why not.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: If we had a decent relationship with our major Ally,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Trump could have said, hey, it's a what three hour flight,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: jump on Air Force one, come for Arrival'll have a
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: chat on the way and then I'll be off in
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: my office dealing with things.
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: Part of me does think this is a negotiating tactic
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: by Trump string Albanesi along to increase the pressure in
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: Australia to actually.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: Come to the table and defense spending, so we'll see.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: I don't think Trump will even consider meeting with him
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: unless he actually changes the stance on lifting defense spending.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Well, the next schedule is a UN meeting in September,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: So in vain, Anthony Alberizi is going to be pacing
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: the corridors hoping for a chance meeting with the leader
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: of the free world.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: It's embarrassing for Australia, but also in the Australian. On
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: a similar note, Israel takes out Iran's military chief. Israel
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: says it's killed Iran's top military commander as the nation's
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: escalating war prompted Donald Trump to leave the g seventh
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: Summon early, ordered a second carrier strike group to the
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: Middle East and call for Tehran's evacuation. As Israel and
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: Iran exchanged missile fire for a fifth consecutive day, there
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: were growing fears the conflict could spiral out of control,
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: with Tehran warning the US of unfathomable consequences if it
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: joined the Jewish States attack. I mean, this is the
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: difficult position Trump is in. Internally, within the MAGA movement,
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: they're divided between the neocons, and the isolationists. But this
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: really is the Western world's one chance to take out
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: the head of the octopus of terror.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: If they don't do it now, when are they going
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: to do it.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: They're upset right because Trump promised not to drag America
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: back into a foreign war. I think this is very different.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: He's not talking about putting troops on the ground. He's
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: talking about using some specialized bombs. They have to once
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: and for all eliminate the nuclear threat that Iran boses,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: not only to Israel but also to the United States.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: I don't see why Mega people are upset about it.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: And I think we should be cleaned. Trump is not
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: in isolations. There may be people in the Mega movement
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: who are Trump is not an isolation think he's an
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: anti interventionist. He doesn't want boots on the ground under
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: any circumstances, and I think he's right from that perspective.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: But I think it was very interesting to see his
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: post on Truth today, of course, saying evacuate Tehran now,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: and all the people who got in their cars and
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: in the middle of the night drove out of Tehran
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: at the mere thought that the US might do something
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: over there, and.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: We should note Israel taking out the military leader of Iran.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: That's the second time they've done that in just five days.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: And that's the other thing.
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: Just quickly on this note, the MAGA camp doesn't want
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: to be dragged into an unwinnable war. But this is
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: one of the longest wars Israel's ever been in. Normally
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: there wars last around six days, so it's very different
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: to going into Afghanistan or Iraq.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Inde.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Let's go to the front page of the Adelaide Advertiser.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Ozempick use in kids skyrockets. The number of children injecting
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: prescription drug ozempeck to manage diabetes has risen nine hundred
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: percent in three years in South Australia, prompting alarmed gps
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: to warn families to tackle diet before drugs. The startling
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: jump in children as young as twelve being prescribed the
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: anti diabetes JAB is revealed in data obtained by the Advertiser,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: showing an increase from eleven to one hundred and eleven
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: over a three year period.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: That's where statistics get you.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: A little bit, isn't it that you read You think nine
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: hundred percent, Well, it's gone from eleven to one hundred
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: and eleven. Doctors, to be fair, are still worried.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I'm just not sure.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Is the worry that so many more children have been
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: diagnosed with diabetes or is the worry that they're being
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: prescribed as particular drug rather than being put on a
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: diet to try and alleviate some of the It's probably both.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: Because the story goes on to say that, you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: there's concerned that they're using other similar drugs, including off label,
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: which means they're not being used for diabeteses there being
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: used for weight loss, and so you know, the numbers
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: might have jumped from eleven to one hundred and eleven in.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: A few years.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: But you look at the use of a zempic now
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: across adults, I mean it has increased exponentially in the
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: last twelve months, and these are the numbers from twenty
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: twenty four, So you would just expect that these would
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: keep increasing, increasing, increasing. If you're starting kids on a
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: zim pick now, if you want to maintain that weight
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: loss forever, you've basically got to stay on a zimpic
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: for the rest of your life.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Is that really the merry ground we want to put
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: kids on?
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: But trying to get kids to stick to a diet
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: as well would be virtually impossible, so maybe this is
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: the best option.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Well, you know that's a bit of parenting.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: I think let's go to the Cans Post where it
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: says a common user facility in Dowd ahead of budget
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: off the cuff, the Far North will miss the boat
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: on major defense contracts and thousands of new jobs if
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: the state government fails to commit to building critical marine
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: infrastructure in the region. The Member for Cans Michael Healey
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: in set says, I think it's the inset really that.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Is the point of this story.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, they haven't just put this photo on the
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: front page of the Cans Post for nothing, because you
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: can see Michael Learly there has rocked up to a
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: pressa in his shorts.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: I know it gets pretty warm up per in Cans,
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: but we're in winter at the moment, and you know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: you sort of get to mid sometimes high twenties up
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: in Queensland at this time of year.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: It's a bit rich to be rocking up in your
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: bodies to a press conference, isn't it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: I think he's expecting to do a radio interview, not
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: a television interview, and the podium is standing behind did
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: not provide anywhere near as much cover caliber as this
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: desk provided.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Exactly the sorts you wear on the show.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Hey, what are you talking about? I've got Chino's on
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: under ear, Thank.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: You very much.
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: He clearly just thought he was still working from home.
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: He had the business up top, party down the bottom.
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: But just finally, in the Canbra Times, Summer NATS is
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: too noisy. Noisy events at Summer NAT's, the annual car
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: event that attracts more than one hundred thousand people to Canberra,
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: cannot practicably comply with im post sound limits, an independent
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: assessment has found. I mean, perhaps the solution is they
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: all just jump in their Chinese electric vehicle and whoosh
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: around a memory silence.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: That will be a very unpopular event.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: But could you get any more Canberra than overpaid public
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: servants complaining about people coming along to enjoy themselves at Samminets.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: It's Australia, goddamn it.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Let us enjoy our noisy cars for as long as
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: they continue to exist.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, we're going to go to a break when we
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: come back. Hollywood, A just no, not a bit. Pamela
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Anderson is in a brand new movie. We'll show you
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: a clip in just a moment. Politicians are usually very
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: careful to appear polished and in control, but I want
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: to show you something that happened at the G seven
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: meeting when Trump signed a trade deal with Kirstarma from
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: the UK.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: It wasn't Trump's best moment. He said he'd signed a
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: trade deal with the EU.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Of course it's the UK and the UK are part
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: of the EU. And then to make matters worse, Trump
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: um the freshly signed agreement all over the ground. But
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: worse was for Kirs Starmer. You know how reluctant Western
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: leaders are to be seen kow towing to the US president.
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: We all know the great Prime Minister of the UK,
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: and we just signed a document.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: This is about that.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: This is it very important document.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: A little.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: We just saying it and it's done, and so we
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: have our trade agreement with the European Union.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Well immediately images of that interaction went viral online from
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: KOs Starmer's opponents, accusing him of bowing down to Donald Trump,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: kow towing to the US leader.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: And doing whatever Trump wanted.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: I suspect those images will haunt Kirs Starmer for quite
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: some time, though kind he was just being polite.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Well, that's right, he was just picking up the papers.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know he's a conscientious man, is sir
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Ki is starmer who doesn't want the world.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can blame him for that.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: While we're talking about Donald Trump, we know that he's
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: a big businessman. But while he's president, he's handed it
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: over to his sons, Don Junior and Eric to carry
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: on the Trump business. And they see all sorts of
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: stuff picking off the back of mister Trump. Of course
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: watches all sorts of Now they're doing mobile phones, a
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: gold mobile phone. No less, you will be able to
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: buy the Donald Trump gold iPhone with the big T
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: on the back. I'm sure they'll be flying off the shelves.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: They're also going to start a mobile phone service, Trump
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Mobile lo'ks like it was all predicted on Saturday Night
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Live ten years ago.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Guys getting in on this. You used to call me
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: on the cell phone, name call me on the cell phone.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Now, look, you know, I like Donald Trump, but you
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: have to be a bit tragic. Don't you to run
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: out and buy a gold Trump iPhone.
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: That's even if it is physically possible. To fully manufacture
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: an iPhone in the US, which experts seem to say
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: it's absolutely not.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: But never let reality.
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: Get in the way of a good business idea, especially
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: when you're a Trump. In other news, Hollywood Bombshell, Pamela
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: Anderson is back on the big screen in the sequel
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: to the Naked Gun series.
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: Check out this trailer over here.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: The tenant, I think someone murdered my brother. Please take
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: your share, thank you, I'll find them.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: This is tway too.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: So as you serve twenty years for man's laughter, you
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: mean manslaughter must have been.
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: Quite the joke, pretty good. So whoever says Hollywood is ages.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: She's in her late fifties and still going strong.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Fifty seven years old, and why are you smiling?
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: As you said earlier, she was about seven, so you
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: know this was before the show. I'm just glad they're
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: remaking The Naked Gun. I mean, you know, the days
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: of Leslie Nielsen, etc. They were fabulous films. So it's
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: good to see a proper comedy film coming back again.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Indeed, that's all we've got time for tonight. Stick around
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: coming up is to read a Pennty show.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Good Night,