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Talks to Jason Thompson about his choice of Evil of the Daleks (3/7) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt.
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Penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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I am here with the wonderful superlative.
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Exceptional, brilliant, fabulous, terrific.
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He's got his head in his hands, Joe Ford.
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Hello, thank you very much. I I I I can't say enough good
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things about you Joe and as we talked about my podcast with
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Steve earlier but it was your hamster podcast that got me into
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nice and grateful and say good thing, and you lower the tone,
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why are you bothering like, why do I bother?
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I I'm here with that complete Arts Joe Ford just for anyone
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who might be interested, it is a complete ass, all right?
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That is bad. Should we just Get on with the
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evil of the Daleks. So
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we've covered the breadth and depth of ravalox.
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We've been having a bit of a saranga conundrum.
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We Face the power of the Daleks and we've taken on the dollar.
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Master plan and now we are. We Believe of the Daleks old.
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Sure. That's the first time I've lost
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you on this coal. I didn't hear that.
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Oh, you froze up a bit? And I okay, well, hopefully
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we're back in sync now. So I could you once again,
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repeat, what we are now doing, we are now doing the evil of the
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Daleks episode episode 3, and where did we leave off in
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episode 2? Well, the Daleks want the doctor
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to tell Jamie to do something that will be a test apparently
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for the human factor. Yeah, we need to get into that
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later on, all right. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah, we do. Yeah, plenty of opportunities.
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Well, it's very episode 3 of 7. So Tent for.
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I remember for a member of all that running around and chasing
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with kemmel, what I remember episode 3, it's all Wallace.
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Let's go in and watch it, shall we?
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Let's go in and watch it. You want to count us in?
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I will do you say in five, four, three, two, one off.
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We owe all this is the one with the argument, isn't it?
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Yes. And you know what?
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It reminds me of. It reminds me very much of the
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Steve and Doctor argument in the massacre.
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Mmm. Yeah, it certainly if you're so
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careless with your experiments, Yeah.
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It's a very similar kind of kind of argument and, you know, Jamie
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really properly standing up the doctor for the first time I
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think so. Are you pleased?
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They never went there again. yeah, I think I think there is
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again, you know, with Doctor Who being the The vast Arena that it
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is to play and I think there is space for dr.
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Companion arguments. But I'm glad they didn't make a
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big thing of it. I mean, obviously, the, the, the
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classic example is Series 22 with the doctor and Perry
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constantly bickering with each other.
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And that, you know, as I think I said on the mysterious planet
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commentary if that keeps happening.
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You wonder why they keep traveling.
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Yeah, you know, I mean, I know in this instance it's a bit
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different because the doctors got know, control over the
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Tardis or anything like that, can't drop them off anywhere,
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but Poison kind of wonder about it but multiple situation, isn't
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it? Because he's basically said that
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I said you'll all be killed if you don't do this.
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So he's trying to save Jamie's life.
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Yeah, absolutely. No.
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Here is Arthur Terrell the character who Really doesn't
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bring much to the proceedings. No purpose whatsoever.
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Not really no part from padding, it out to seven episodes.
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Arthur and Ruth are engaged to be married.
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Yeah, yes. That is correct.
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Okay, and Ruth is Max devil's daughter.
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Yes. But there's no need for his
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daughter to be in this. In plot terms.
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He said there's a need for Victoria to be in this to give a
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motive to Edward water-filled. Yeah, no Ruth and Terrell,
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really don't have much Much. Need to be there, especially
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this whole subplot of Terrell being under some kind of
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control. I'm going to get as fabulous
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moments of the Daleks going obey those pics but you know, that
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being said again, it's all done. So.
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Well when you first watch it, we know I you know, we're coming to
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this having seen heard listen to read watched the story multiple
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times to the point where I'm pretty confident if you sat me
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down in front of a computer and told me to bash out the script,
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I could probably do it. I'm not going to hold you to
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that but you know, I am very familiar with the story.
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And I think that one of the things that not just Doctor Who
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fans any fan when you, when you are so familiar with the
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content, you watched it over and over again.
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It's easy to forget the experience of watching it for
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the first time. Yes.
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And being carried along with the story, then you go back and
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watch it again. And you start thinking, hang on.
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Now, I know what's coming. What does this have to do with
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anything else? Like with whole that they know,
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the whole episode 1, and the beginning of episode 2?
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What is all that stuff in 1960? Six have to do with what comes
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afterwards. Nothing.
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It's just an elaborate trap to get the doctor to where he needs
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to be for the actual story to take place.
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But first time I watch this though, I was just so impressed
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with the scale with the acting the score, like other thing.
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I was asking any of those questions, it's the repeat
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viewings, where I've started. I'm picking it.
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And going, you know, that's don't make a lot of sense.
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Yeah, no I agree and By the same token.
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Sometimes I could watch a story at the first time around and
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think what? The bloody hell is this?
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I'm watching a load of rubbish and then on reviewing, it
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actually think actually thinking about it.
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Reconsidering now I know what's coming, I can I've been able to
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reappraise things like, you know, I when I watched The
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stolen Earth and Journey's End the first time round.
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I thought it was terrible. Really?
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That was like, the Zenith for me.
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Ya know, I thought there was all sorts of any especially at the
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end where it's all undone by a Convenient Bank of controls
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that, Donna Falls against the Press, has loads of buttons that
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Fixes everything basically and I thought that was that was awful.
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But now knowing what's coming and yeah, that is still a
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terrible deus ex machina ending but knowing what's coming.
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I really love that story. It's one of my comfort stories.
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If I've got a couple of hours and I just want to lose myself
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in something that's going to carry me along, I'll watch that
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story and you know, talk is is a big sort of Epic story like this
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isn't. With a massive cost style over
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substance. Oh, very much style over
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substance. There was another old Caster
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common, which one it was. That said, basically, it's just
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constant bait-and-switch, they introduced things only to
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discard them later because they don't need them.
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So exciting. Jason, but it was, it was
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exciting enough, but I was very deflated by the end of it.
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So here we have camel, Max Duvall is bringing camel Maxford
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only had two houses because he says he's brought camel
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specially from London. He works in his house, but if
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they're already in his house, this is his house, some miles
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from Canterbury. So, yeah, that's a bit on his
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mind is undeveloped, will you settle an argument for me, then
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Please, I just before I ask this question, remember you are on
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this particular podcast, all right, but I swear that in the
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BFI, when this character was unveiled with those gorgeous
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muscles, beautiful cartoon character there that there was a
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collective gasp amongst the primarily homosexual audience of
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the BFI screening. Well, Marva off.
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That's a complete lie actually. It was just in my head.
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I think I might have done something bellush mothers who
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that character but you know you know I cannot remember it again,
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another Doctor Who story. Is it sunny cold enough?
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Sunny Cal Dino's is in several but this is the only one you
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actually see his face. I'll boys taking this gyro my
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word. I got because everything else he
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was basically, it was nice Warrior.
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I'll have you seen him on the documentaries?
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When he's talking about that. Yes.
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Yes, it's fucking hilarious because always brilliant.
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He's not gonna play at ice Warrior, the thick brought the
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costume. And he went oh my God, my Lord.
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Did he continue to play them into the Peloton stories?
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Because he knows as well. He did.
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Yeah, he was in all of them. So he was camel here.
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He was to Iraq in the ice Warriors.
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Unnamed ice warrior in the seeds of death because they didn't get
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any names. He was sword in cursor, Peloton
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and scale in Monster Peloton so they said to know in the dark.
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He was a really popular guy to have around and it you can tell
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what it was. I just seems very colorful and
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very Charming. Oh yeah, he's got quite quite a
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personality. Said when I always enjoy
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watching him on the documentaries.
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Yeah, I mean all of this this whole scene is just let's show
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how strong this bloke. This bloke is for no reason.
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They could've just told that they've got some time to pad
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out. So as a little bit suspect, we
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know he's going up against Jamie.
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Yeah, so basically the doctor and Max the ball have their
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Champions they're going to be pitted against each other.
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For some unknown reason. We don't know yet.
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Do we? Why?
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No, I would never, I think the doctor very quickly, I don't
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know, is whilst they're sort of creeping about the house.
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You get those filled inserts. The doctor saying about the
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human factor. Yeah, you do explain a it's
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going long. Yeah, you do.
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Yes. So you could, you know, in
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contrast, in contrast to power of the Daleks, I had to think a
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word was wasted in that. I don't think I seen was wasted.
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no, I think power of the Daleks is a master class in building
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up, the tension, and building up all the characters and Yeah, I
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think it was I think it was I it's still one of the best
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Doctor. Who stories ever?
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I think power of The Darlings is it has to not only does it have
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to build this world of the Daleks in it.
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Infiltrating it building up their strength until the final
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Massacre, the end but it also has to make us believe that this
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bloke is the doctor So maybe this is the most indulgent
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Doctor Who story ever. But, yeah, with style.
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We're going to show what the BBC can do it with a period drama.
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We're going to bring in these fabulous character actors Yep.
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And now we're going to have a house with booby traps all over
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it. Amazing.
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That all this feels a bit like an episode of nightmare to me
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now, you know, Carlos coming down.
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Go left, go left side, step to the right Jason.
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Now, there's a kids show to remember, Oh yeah, nightmare was
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superb. Absolutely superb.
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So yeah this is the booby trap. Sure get weird because they want
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to test Jamie and yet every trap, I mean you almost dies
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before you can get started later on, you know, so, lethal blades
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and Macy's, swing out from the walls, probably isn't the best
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kind of How old are you saying now, you want to introduce the
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human factor into a race of Daleks?
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Because there's something in humans that always makes them
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defeat Darlings. I don't know if I buy that all
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over. No.
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Well, I remember when, because I'm in, for a long time, back in
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the 90s, these weren't in the original target, novelisation
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range. They were like the last ones to
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because it sort of bulky, bulky books.
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When they, they were quite, and they were much bigger than the
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rest of them, because they were intended to their page, count
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with sit, alongside the new adventures, and the missing
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Adventures that were coming out around the time and John peel
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novelized this and power of the dollar.
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Alex a brilliantly, I think. But one of the things I remember
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from it, is that sequence where the Dalek says, yeah, the
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conquest of humanity eluded us. And we have to know why.
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And the doctor doesn't buy that and he thinks this Dalek is
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unusually chatty. Okay.
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So the idea that the doctor is suspicious about what's going on
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is sewn, very early on and very clearly in the novelization.
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Not so much in the episodes as transmitted now.
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Not all, I don't think Paul, Troutman can't do that.
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That's all Sly. I'm not buying this.
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He can and I know for all we know he did in with his face,
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basically, in an episode where we may find.
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If we ever get it back, we might find that there's a reaction
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shot that shows that he's not entirely convinced.
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But what the hell does that line?
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Mean that Dale just said, you've traveled too much through time,
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you're more than human. Yeah.
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Mysterious. Isn't it very mysteriously?
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This is pre, you know, everything being spell out for
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us about the dock. It is.
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And the Daleks at this point, don't know what he is.
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How long are pissy stage Jason, you know, I like they're being
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an obscure pass for the doctor with just tantalizing little
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hints. Yeah, I like that as well.
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I don't think we needed to ever find out as much as we did.
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Although it you know has provided fuel for future
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episodes. Bonnie, can you imagine if
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Twitter was a thing in 1969, when the war games came on?
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Well, not just that line, you're more than human man.
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Twitter will be on fire. What the hell does that mean?
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And then Along Comes the war games?
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And why are we being told about the doctors people?
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We don't need to know this, we don't need to have this
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operation fandom split into two. Those are think he's an alien
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and knows that. Think he's a human, yeah.
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But it is, it is quite astonishing in a way though that
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we had six seasons and that many episodes.
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And we really didn't find out anything at all, but it wouldn't
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be long time. And yet, you totally trust the
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character, you know. Yeah, absolutely.
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And yeah, I mean, sick, six seasons now doesn't sound much,
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but one of the things that Is amazing.
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Verticals in the 60s Doctor Who was on more than it was off.
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Are you kidding me to Caesar's? Don't sound a lot these days.
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You're lucky if you get a second, you know, and you know
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six seasons of Doctor Who in the 1960s was equivalent to the
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whole of the rest of the 70s era.
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Yeah. In terms of episode count.
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Yeah. So yeah I think most of the
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stories were longer but Yeah, it's a 1968 Doctor Who was on 48
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out of 52 weeks. Astonishing to think that isn't
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it? Because you had the first, you
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had the last the end of Series 5, then you had the repeat of
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the evil of the Daleks and then you had the beginning of Series
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6 and I was only like three weeks between them.
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So I think know, you know, when sort of Ian Levine has a sort of
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rage on about how few episodes, there's going to be, you know,
18:05
in the the shooting at waft season is coming up and Miss Lee
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is idiosyncratic fella, but he remembers this.
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Doesn't he remembers when Doctor Who was on for all but four or
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five weeks of the Year. This is, I think, you know,
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yeah, I mean, what a time to be be doing it, but Yeah.
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But I mean it does amaze me though when people come up with
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those things where they say you know, only episode of the BBC is
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trying to kill Doctor. Who at the BBC doesn't have to
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try and kill Doctor Who they make Doctor?
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Who if they want to kill it they will just stop making it.
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You know, they're not trying to kill it by giving it fewer
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episodes. If they want it killed, it will
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be killed because they don't actually have to make it.
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No one is holding a knife to their throat.
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Saying make this, you know, since you seem to be suggesting
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that certain elements of fandom can be melodramatic.
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Tick. I am I suggesting melodrama in
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fandom oh, you wound me. Sir, you wound me.
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The scary thing is we've all been guilty of it at some point.
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It was, but there was one particular episode of Moffat who
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where I said this is as close as I've come to divorcing myself
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from Doctor Who also, I look back at that review now on my
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own show. Get over yourself, they don't
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care if you're watching or not. Yeah, I've had my head, my Angry
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face, I think I'm done with it. I'm just enjoying what I have.
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But, yeah, I had, I had a moment when episode where I remember
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putting up on a message board that it's like, you know, I'm
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not really bothered about watching the series anymore, but
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I hope other people are enjoying it, and that's good.
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But for me, no, obviously kill the Moon.
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Yes, I know it was, it was killed the Moon.
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Yes, there's some people would think that talking about kill
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the moon, you know, during this wonderful sequence between the
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doctor and Jamie with be in bad taste.
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East. Well, yes, so let's talk about
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the doctor and Jamie because they've just had their blazing
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Rao and are wasn't it great? It really, it feels like, it's
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kind of over it does. And, you know, and this is You
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know, Jamie has been very much the innocent.
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Person from the past who's kind of just bewildered by
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everything. And follows the doctor because,
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you know, he trusts the doctor. The doctor is the only one who
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can get him out of these situations is that, you know, I
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think was it in, in the underwater Menace where he was,
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what have I got myself into here?
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You know, that can't be the Moon, the Moon is way up in the
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sky and all that. Lots of people have said, he
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wakes up a different person after be unconscious for an
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episode of whom Baseline. That's a pretty fair assessment.
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But Yeah. Here he's just standing up to
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the doctor and said, nope! Nope, that's it.
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I'm done. Yeah, you keep telling the other
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Charlotte's haven't seen one somebody's been murdered.
21:10
The Tardis has been stolen your cooperating with them what's
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going on and he's just really having to go and it's brilliant.
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It's as just fantastic. The truth is like he is a
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character out of time. A lot of weird shit has gone
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down. I can understand why he is so
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perturbed. Hmm, yeah, definitely.
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And yet in the same breath, we've already said the doctors
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in a bind because he's trying to save his lat and everybody else
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is so, He's kind of Rome in that second.
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Yeah, no absolutely. this sequence of Terrell and Toby is
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One that I always look at oddly, because B of it were missing
21:49
from the audiobook. There's a big jump in the
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dialogue. But still here we go.
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Toby grits grab some money and some keys and Go sir, goes to
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rob the house. In this completely, irrelevant
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subplot. You know, please, it is
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irrelevant and yet it is woven in quite nicely.
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Because Toby scream when he gets exterminated, is what Freaks
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out. Molly and tells Jake gets Jamie
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to send her back to her room and stop it.
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And the discovery of his body is the first unraveling of the
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relationship between Max food and water filled.
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And the point where we realize that Max table is probably not
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as bothered by this as he should be.
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Yeah. So it has kind of a long-winded
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way to reach those kids. Yeah, but I think it's quite
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effective you ever want down lit.
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Randall said about episode 2, not being atmospheric.
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I don't think you could say that all about episode 3.
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You've got all these scenes sort of by candle light.
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You know, you had a lovely exterior shot.
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House. Lit up a party.
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Yeah, no definitely. definitely skipping back very quickly to
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the argument between the doctor and Jamie, I don't mean this as
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an insole But I do think it's one of the few times where
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Fraser hires has to properly Act.
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Because I think a lot of the time he gets by on a lot of
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charm. Yeah, I mean he's He's not often
23:34
given much to do, other than be. The fun part the yeah, the
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muscle. Most, and even when he's given
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lots to do like in the dominators, for example, that's
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not stretching his range as an actor.
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There's a lot there's a lovely bit in fear from the deep, where
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Victoria is trying to talk to him about, she trying to tell
24:01
him she wants to go and and he's just like, yeah, why always
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complaining about stuff like that?
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And that's another really well Act.
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As soon as well, but they are very rare, they are.
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I mean, the I particularly think that he does really well on the
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final scene, he has with Victoria where they're
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discussing Hi departure at the end of episode six and I think
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he does really really well with that.
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So it's good that you get these scenes every so often to
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remember that, actually this coin is a really good actor,
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which is, you know, they didn't just pluck him out because he
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looked pretty in the Highlanders, you know, the
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actually is a good actor but like That's it.
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I don't denigrate or classic Doctor Who it wasn't really an
24:46
acting show in the way that it kind of is in the new series,
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where you have to display this incredible range of emotions.
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No I think well basically if you can cry you'll right in the foot
25:00
in the new series, these days will say as a lot of the jokes
25:04
disdain, you know. I just think they over egg is
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sometimes but like I think in the classic series it was more
25:13
like, you know, bring your personality, you'd be care of
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the stories, bring your personality, make it washable.
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Yeah. I mean they said you know a few
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of them. The doctors come along the
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actors who are playing doctor come along and they say what you
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want me to do and they said what do you want to do?
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You know, I don't think Tom Baker was given a brief how to
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be the doctor this state instead of the time Warrior because I
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was listening to the commentary the other day.
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She goes I walked in and I didn't get a note and this is
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the first time I was playing this character and no one gave
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me a know like I was just left to just play it.
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And brilliantly. She did it to yes.
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But then somebody discovered in the spring in their acting chops
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to what probably could have been quite a fabulous part.
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Yeah definitely. So they're Jamie has nearly been
26:03
killed before he even started on his quest by those weird spikes
26:07
that fell out. Other, why are all of these
26:11
traps in? What are they hearing this
26:13
house? It does make you wonder about
26:18
Max table, just the tab, doesn't it?
26:21
It's like there's, there's, there's burglar alarms and, you
26:24
know, protection and there's things that will kill anyone who
26:28
walks through, very, very odd. Nope, here we go.
26:32
Jamie has encountered car, and the music in this scene, where
26:37
he's introduced his great Roi eyes, it sort of builds, doesn't
26:41
it? Builds and builds and builds?
26:43
It does. And one thing I will say that
26:45
there, I think the animation got a little bit wrong on that
26:49
Cliffhanger. Was that final shot of camel
26:51
advancing with his arms up? It's like that.
26:54
Did it? Was he always that was a bit.
26:55
Yeah. A big Angry Eyes, but in the
26:57
Clinton this Telly snaps, it's just the face and it's just the
27:00
confrontation. So actually going at whole, you
27:02
know, getting him. It's just now you didn't need
27:05
that. You didn't need that. but but
27:09
yeah, that's probably the The best kit hanger of the cereal so
27:13
far, because at least it makes sense.
27:15
It does. And the entire episode has been
27:18
building to the moment where those two characters me, yes,
27:22
erratically, it makes sense as well.
27:24
It does, and it's one of those. One of those Cliffhangers that
27:29
isn't immediately rectified the next episode.
27:31
It's not a little moment of peril.
27:33
This is the B, this is the thing that basically leads us into
27:36
episode 4 and everything that happens from this point onwards,
27:41
so, it's a It's a very important Cliffhanger.
27:46
I think I may have said similar on my all my Cliffhangers
27:49
thread. If anyone's watching on Twitter,
27:50
my excuse me, I read your Cliffhanger Fred every bloody
27:54
day. All right, except today, because
27:57
I haven't done it because I'm doing this, no put your tie.
28:01
Why? Because all the time, I disagree
28:02
of you terribly, I was he talking about what?
28:06
That's a great clue, Fang. Well, feel free to say so, but I
28:10
love those. It is where we disagree, you
28:21
know? Yeah.
28:24
I think disagreement is perfectly healthy but you can do
28:27
it in different ways. I admire your perseverance of
28:30
that as well. That's a hell of a task.
28:33
Yeah, I thought when he, when I started it, I thought this is
28:35
probably insane, but let's see what happens.
28:38
Now is great and I also bloody loves to hug our plug,
28:40
everything you do now, I love your other actors Doctor, Who
28:46
actors that have been in other shows.
28:48
I love those syringes. Oh yeah.
28:50
Those are getting. Okay, that was amazing for me
28:54
because I put those up just because I found it interesting.
28:58
And I'd get two or three likes, one or two comments, maybe on a
29:02
few of the posts so on and so forth.
29:06
And it's like well you know I'm enjoying it and some people are
29:09
interacting with it. Let's carry on.
29:13
And then I put up the survey of which one should I do next?
29:16
And I got 100 responses. I've never had that much
29:19
engagement on a single one of those tweets.
29:21
But you know, 100 people decided to tell me what they wanted to
29:24
see next. Which is why I did not list,
29:27
which is why did the space 1999 one?
29:30
That was the winner of that pole.
29:33
I thought you the, you either do one, hundreds gestures.
29:37
Do only put up for suggestions but I got 100 votes.
29:40
Oh, okay. Oscars are over. 400 votes.
29:43
I thought you were saying you asked for people to suggest
29:47
series to do know, I put up a poll of for other series that I
29:50
could do. And yeah, 100 people voted on
29:53
it. I Weller don't get too involved
29:57
in numbers. So right about the numbers it's
29:59
about the thumb. Oh, absolutely.
30:01
That's why I do it because it's good fun.
30:03
I mean I did why, you know, I did the Doctor Who actors in The
30:06
spin-offs bread, please. So you that Cliffhanger one for,
30:10
you know, because I do read every single one, I will
30:13
continue with it. I think I got to wherever I got
30:16
to on The Deadly Assassin on I, so yeah.
30:20
Yeah, he will. It was are surprised have a nice
30:22
hedge Cliff. Cliff hangers.
30:24
No 5 and 10. Are you serious?
30:27
Oh some of them just don't work for me.
30:30
But of course the Cliffhanger thread is going to accelerate
30:32
rapidly because The seasons when you get to the end of the 80s or
30:37
suddenly hard in length. And then, in the new series,
30:39
there aren't as many to deal with.
30:40
So it's going to be and the 60s as we said with all those
30:44
episodes in the 60s and the fact that they put Cliffhangers
30:46
between stories as well, that was a lot going on and then it's
30:51
rapidly diminishing as you go further into the into the series
30:55
lifetime, but not far off. Well Jason, I do you have any
31:00
more questions from Twitter for this episode?
31:03
Do I have any more questions from Twitter from this episode?
31:07
Who else have we got to do? I'm just trying to see if
31:14
there's any that specifically relevant to this episode that we
31:17
haven't done yet. Why is Kevin all the hottest
31:21
character in all of Doctor Who because the animators are horny.
31:26
That's why Well, somebody did ask you if he should have had
31:30
nipples in the animation but I can't find that tweet
31:32
immediately. Oh okay.
31:37
Andy Parkinson, Andy Parkinson has three questions.
31:41
Okay. One where does evil rank in
31:44
Dalek stories for you? How much?
31:49
Ooh yeah. Hi definitely I couldn't tell I
31:53
couldn't help you follow my exact position.
31:55
Already couldn't place it over top five.
31:57
He's got five certainly I think. Yeah.
32:00
Does this story along with the other superb stories make season
32:04
for troughton's best? I still other six will always be
32:09
my favorite. It's the Jamie Zoe.
32:11
I just love the dogs to Jamie and sorry regardless of how
32:15
inconsistent no stories are. I still think it's got three of
32:18
the best in there in mine, rubber Invasion and the war
32:22
games. So see it's always been my
32:24
favorite. I think six as well.
32:27
I think the the trouble with season for that stops IT from
32:30
being the best. For me is that it is it does
32:35
take a while. I'll to find its feet and there
32:38
are long as variable quality in the stories, season 5 is
32:42
absolutely superb but incredibly formulaic.
32:46
And I've also gone off poly an awful lot.
32:50
Like she's stuck up sometimes and she's horrible to Kirsty at
32:53
the Highlanders. Yeah she is a bit.
32:56
Yeah. And I mean the Highlanders for
32:58
one thing, you know he's Doctor Who and the Crooked solicitor.
33:03
Yeah, basically. It's like we're going back to
33:06
the Jacobite rebellion and 1745 and the doctrine Co arrived just
33:11
as it's all finished. Yeah.
33:14
After the drama, Just hang on. Shouldn't you be doing it into
33:18
the build-up or something like that?
33:19
But no, no, no, after it's all finished and then it's a story
33:23
about I mean, that's for me, that's one of the reasons I
33:26
think. That's one of the reasons why
33:27
the historical is maybe fell out of favor because the last couple
33:32
although they're good on their own merits, I think they don't
33:36
stick in the mind because they don't visit specific historical
33:43
characters and they don't quite It the brief almost of what they
33:50
claim to be. So the Highlanders is basically,
33:55
as I say, the story of the Crooked solicitor and the slave
33:57
trade, And and then the Smugglers is about Pirates.
34:04
Almost more than the smuggling, it said, they're both kind of
34:07
fun, but forgettable fun, but forgettable, that's exactly what
34:11
I thought. Meaning, they're great in.
34:14
I'd love to get them back because I think they'd be
34:16
re-evaluated if we got them back.
34:18
Yeah, too. Right.
34:19
But yeah, no. Season 6.
34:21
Definitely is. My is my favorite Fountain
34:23
season. Yeah.
34:24
Jamie and Zoe is superb and it's got the Invasion, the war games.
34:29
And yes, the dominators I The dominators and the, my brother
34:34
and the mind robber. And question 3 from Andy is,
34:37
does this story benefit from not being written by Terry Nation?
34:42
Oh, yeah, this would be completely different if it was
34:44
written by Terry Nation. I don't think it would have the
34:46
richness of the characterization or the dialogue.
34:52
It would be more sort of Escape capture you node and are stuff
34:57
that we've had before. Yeah, I mean, Terry Nation
35:01
understood the brief he knew how to get a decent story written
35:04
and and done. But he had a very distinctive
35:07
style of Flash Gordon desk stuff and I yeah, I think David
35:13
Whittaker writes these two stories brilliantly, his dark
35:18
like, okay I can do of a metaphor.
35:20
I do have a metaphor from Deep Space 9, when they invade the
35:24
intendant from these. First nine says, you know,
35:27
violence is a Precision instrument, you know, it's a
35:29
scalpel not a club. Well, with Terry Nation.
35:32
The Daleks are a club with David Whittaker up.
35:34
There are scalpel, they're cunning and there, sly.
35:38
And that's what's great about these stories that yeah, that's
35:41
brilliant. Well I love about the too dark,
35:43
David Whittaker. Dalek story is he does something
35:45
new with them. Yeah, you know, the Daleks are,
35:49
I mean, yes, they evolved a bit over the first few.
35:51
Terry Nation stories, because obviously, originally, they
35:55
weren't supposed to be a recurring villain, so then he
35:57
turned them into these spacefaring.
35:59
Conquering, Exterminating monsters rather than the annex
36:04
terrified survivors of a nuclear war stuck in their bunker.
36:11
But once he's done that, they are in every other story that he
36:15
writes a universal, conquering, Exterminating Force even when
36:21
they're like flirting with politics and the darks mask fun.
36:23
They just want it. So they can have that call.
36:26
So I can hold the whole of the universe to Ransom, you know,
36:29
it's like it ain't staff, is it? You know, where as here?
36:34
Yeah he does devious coming. I mean, putting them at a
36:38
disadvantage. At the beginning of power of the
36:40
Daleks was was a masterstroke because that gave us a whole
36:43
new. View of them.
36:45
So and then just seeing them as like, the kiddie dialects in
36:48
this play and trains. Oh, yes, do you see Jason?
36:55
I'm gonna be in town of all during that episode, I shall
36:58
look forward to it. Jay Well look, this is where we
37:03
are ending part 1 of evil of the Daleks will be coming back
37:07
refreshed but part 2 and so far wow this is a banger in it.
37:13
Oh absolutely, absolutely loving every minute of this.
37:17
Well, well will determine the day will be here but for you
37:21
guys you won't know any different because you'll be
37:23
listening to next episode in two days time.
37:24
Anyway, so I will just say Jason, thank you very much.
37:30
And until next time. Thank you.
37:32
Joe.