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When The Gods Go Quiet [RHR S7, EP16 feat. Patrick Walsh] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  None. The.
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  The. None.
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  Hello everyone, and welcome to the Random Heathen Ramblings
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  Heathenry related. My name is Jesse.
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  OK, nice. Yeah, today I decided to switch
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  OK, where are you? Where are you posting all that
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  on? Is it just Facebook or you
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  didn't know? Facebook and also TikTok too.
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  Yes. Oh, OK, cool.
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  Yeah, well, if people want to follow you and, and see what it
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  thing, right? Absolutely, and anyone who's
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  passionate about gardening, hiking and nature.
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  I don't want to say I'm your guy, but I'm the great choice.
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  Yeah, he's definitely. My experience is that I'm very
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  easily apportionable. You know none but love and a
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  safe space when you talk to me so.
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  Thank you, man. Of course.
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  Yeah, happy to put people, point people in your direction.
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  So yeah, let's get into and I'll put links for for your socials
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  and down in the video too or in the comments or the comments.
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  But the show notes, that's the word I'm looking for, of course.
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  So yeah, we, we were going to be talking about today.
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  I don't know if you saw my, my post kind of earlier this
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  afternoon announcing what it's like when the gods go quiet or
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  when the gods go silent. And I thought that, you know,
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  this is a really important thing for for us to talk about on, on
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  a podcast. And I'm glad that you could be
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  here to, you know, offer your own experiences or your thoughts
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  on the thing because, you know, we're always talking about as as
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  heathens, I guess, you know, like we're always talking about
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  the, you know, when the gods show up and when the gods do
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  this or when this happens and when that happens.
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  And then but we should be talking about the opposite.
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  What happens when the gods are silent, when they don't show up
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  and they don't seem to be included or involved in what
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  we're doing is we're not getting those signals, you know what I
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  mean? Like we're not getting those
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  affirmations or, or whatever. So have you, have you first
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  before we get into that? Like is, is that something that
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  you felt like the, that you've felt has happened for you?
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  Like if you felt that feeling like the gods aren't listening
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  to me or I'm not catching their attention or anything like that
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  in your life. Absolutely, because we knew
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  before we became friends on Facebook, we talked about this
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  many times. That's one of our treasure
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  conversations that we covered and talked about.
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  It's like I told you, like during my heyday.
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  And even now we're struggling with that very fact is what do I
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  do, Jesse? Where do we go?
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  Am I less than nothing? No, of course not.
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  It's just part of the experience.
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  And for those of you guys watching, this is my go to
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  phrase lately because it really rains true to myself and I'm
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  sure many of you as well. We have our investments, we have
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  our journey. Sometimes it goes, doesn't go
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  his way as we planned it, but it's all part of the journey.
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  Good times, bad times, it's all necessary to be experiencing and
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  the challenge. Yeah, those are lyrics to a lead
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  sunshine. Gum drops.
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  It's going to be ugly sometimes. We're always going to be in that
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  place of like wondering where we stand and.
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  That's beautiful. Well, I think one of the things
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  to really kind of like before we get into more of the details of
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  it all or understanding the lies of it is, is to really clarify
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  for people that have felt this. I'm sure it's not an uncommon
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  thing because if first of all, if you haven't experienced it
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  yet, if you're a newer heathen or if you're a Pagan and, and
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  you haven't experienced this, you know, sort of maybe for lack
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  of a better term, like a feeling like you've been abandoned, you
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  know, or that the gods have abandoned you or something like
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  that. If you haven't felt it, you
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  will. It'll happen it we've all gone
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  through it. So to clarify that, you know,
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  that quiet, that silence, it's not that we've done anything
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  wrong. It's not a failure.
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  It's not a punishment even, right?
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  They're not observing what we're doing or not doing to the extent
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  or to the degree that if they are involved, it's a reward.
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  And if they're not, it's a punishment.
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  That's not how this happens. It's not how this works.
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  And it's clear because it's, it's, you know, historically how
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  dramatic people and, and, and the Nordic peoples, you know,
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  these Northern European cultures, that's kind of how
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  they understood the, the, the behavior of things, right.
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  So I want people to understand and realize and, you know, kind
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  of be reminded that you're not being punished.
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  It's not a failure if you feel like the gods are silent.
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  And we're going to kind of go into why are you OK, man?
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  Is that are you need a moment? You all right, you good love
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  you. I.
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  Love you too. I just really appreciate, I
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  appreciate overcoming because it's not just me, it's you, it's
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  all of us. This is very tricky to talk
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  about, guys. Again, like Jesse mentioned, if
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  you haven't experienced it yet, you will and that's OK.
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  Don't get too lost in your head about this.
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  We'll be covering this soon enough in our podcast.
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  But thank you for observing and seeing my reaction.
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  But guys, this is very special, so go ahead.
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  Sorry for that. No, no, don't.
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  You don't have to apologize, just, you know, just want to
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  make sure that you're OK and if you needed anything while we're
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  going into it. Fantastic for asking.
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  Yeah, yeah. Man, of course, you know, I know
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  you do the same for me. So got to got to look out for
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  each other. But yeah, when we look at
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  sources, which is as much of an important thing as maybe not as
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  it, there's, there's an importance to knowing your
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  sources and referencing sources and, and understanding the the
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  importance of the source without getting lost in the sauce of the
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  source, if that makes sense. Don't get lost, don't get lost
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  in the source. That's stupid, but.
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  Please. But the but like, OK, so
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  throughout the sources, right throughout lore, throughout
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  myth, we we see that the gods are not constantly accessible.
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  They are first of all, you know, they're unpredictable.
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  There there there's certain things that maybe pattern wise
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  they they may be known for or have characteristics of.
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  But in terms of accessibility, I've even talked about this in
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  in previous shows, you know, referring to the gods as being
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  of limited access. Why we're bloats to the gods
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  observed and held at certain times of the year versus any
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  other time? Why were those moments of time
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  documented or retained and documented sources?
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  Above anything else, I think it's an important distinction to
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  realize that the people believed that their access to the holy or
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  their access to the divine was confined and limited to space
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  and time that they were familiar with.
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  It's why they went to sacred Groves.
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  It's why they had vase or hergers or designated locations
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  to engage with the holy. And then it's also why when they
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  did it at certain times of the year, why you'll was when you'll
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  was why cigar bloater, the victory bloat was when it was
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  winter nights, etcetera. You know, 'cause they, the gods
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  were distant at times. They were not always responsive
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  to things, but when they were or when you had the most, I guess
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  the highest possibility of getting their attention.
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  It's almost like, you know, if you think about like a, you
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  know, you're, you're, you're in a location and you don't have
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  any means of long distance communication except yelling or
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  shouting. And if somebody is outside of
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  your range of for your voice to carry, you might, could see
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  them, you might, could wave them.
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  They, they may not see you, they can't hear you, but they're,
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  they're kind of close, but not close enough, right?
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  But then the wind changes or they move a little bit closer
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  and then all of a sudden now you can connect and you can.
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  So it's kind of like that, you know, it's like almost like if,
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  almost like if you, you know, you hit a dead zone and your,
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  your, your cell phone doesn't work anymore.
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  You know, like, yeah, you've still got this tool, but it
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  doesn't work 'cause you're not in the right zone, you're not in
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  the right place for it to work, You know what I mean?
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  Love the way you explain that. I really do.
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  You have a way of words and I'm sure all of us as yours and
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  supporters really praise you in your way of words and sharing
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  things. So yeah, you couldn't be more on
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  the news with that kind of thing.
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  Thank you. And it's no coincidence that
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  during these times, especially towns of hardship like Yule with
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  winter, it's cold, things are harsh, can't go outside much.
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  And that's the building. Me specifically, you know, I
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  struggle very deeply with being stuck into my house 'cause I'm a
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  nature spirit. I always will be, you know, But
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  oftentimes, like, you know, with our gods and our ancestors, you
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  know, sometimes go on a hike and sometimes it doesn't hit the
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  same way. Is that because these places
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  forsaken me? Absolutely not.
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  Just like our gods, the land spirits just false or friends
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  and family live their own lives, their own endeavors, their own
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  encounters and experiences. Yeah, it's easy to take a
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  personal what do I know it because I have a tendency to do
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  so. But again, just being
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  transparent with ourselves and your viewers and our viewers,
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  like that's OK. But it's important to be set
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  fast and rooted and grounded and our intentions and our journey
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  that we set before us a long time ago or more recent.
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  To those of you who are new to the practice, that's OK.
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  So again, Jesse, go ahead. Yeah, now I'm listening and I'm
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  I'm hearing you. You talked about, right, the the
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  relationship of, you know, with the gods, and then you
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  mentioned, you know, spirits of the land and, and ancestors, and
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  these are all living and active presences and components to
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  heathens especially, but but not just heathens, you know, other
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  pagans I'm sure have that, you know.
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  Relationship between themselves and the gods and then whatever
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  else right that's the spirits their ancestors, but especially
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  with human that's like a big thing and the difference with
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  the gods and and say like local spirits of land and ancestors
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  you know they're we're accessible to our ancestors
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  first of all anytime because they are a part of us.
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  You know what I mean? They're not.
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  At least I don't believe anyway. You know they are not.
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  They are not just hanging around in hell, hanging, or wherever.
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  In that regards to. The guys yeah exactly the gods
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  are on a different level more you know what I mean?
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  It's it's I don't know why Patreon says that the live has
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  been cancelled. I didn't cancel it anyway.
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  We're still recording. But anyway, we're just going to
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  keep rocking with it. I'm not worried about it.
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  So sorry in advance to the Chieftain tier folks that maybe
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  see that the live was cancelled. Don't know why we're still since
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  we're still and that kind. Of coincides with what we're
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  talking about too though, if you will.
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  We have a message and sometimes we are disconnected, but
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  anyways, yeah. Oh yeah, Well, that and just
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  technology can be a real fickle bit.
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  If you want me. I mean, I'm literally, I'm, I'm
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  using what we're using right now, the same as always done in
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  that one week when I recorded was it 222 episodes ago where
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  I'm talking for an hour literally to myself.
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  I'm not even talking to anybody later on because there's no
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  audio that's coming through. And I was just like, are you
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  fucking kidding me right now? So anyway, to get back to that
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  whole thing, Yeah, with the gods, obviously they did.
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  They had a sense of the people, had a sense of their
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  relationship with them as being very relational to certain and
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  specific times and places. But we even see it throughout
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  through some like poetic sources.
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  I mean, even in the Hava Mall, you know, and and just, I know
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  this has been repeated probably more times than by more than
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  just myself. But you know, the one thing
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  about the Hava Mall, right? All the heathens want to,
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  especially the new heathens, right?
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  Like to use the Hava Mall as some sort of text of divine
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  reassurance, right. A Bible.
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  Yeah, like a like a heathen Bible.
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  Pardon the phrase, but yeah, that's the best example we can
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  give. But yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, it ain't that. Never has been.
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  It's it's texts that are part of our primary sources, and they
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  are practical bits of wisdom for navigating all sorts of things
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  in your life. And some certainty could be
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  included as well. And that's history, though.
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  It's written by the victor. Yeah.
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  I mean, some things are skewed by actual facts, but yeah, go
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  ahead. Sorry.
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  Yeah. No, no, I think that's valid.
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  I mean, how history is written and how it's documented is going
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  to quite often be biased. And be obscured too.
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  It's. Going to be what?
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  Obscured. Obscured.
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  Yeah, there's there's. Always the truth.
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  Facts. Sometimes we never know the true
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  facts, but we have to base it on practice and intuition and the
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  whole journey. But yeah.
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  Yeah, we like to. We like to we like to have some,
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  but like assurances when we think of his like historical
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  texts that they are they they are the only thing that we have
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  that gives us a glimpse into the past.
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  And we like to think that that glimpse into the past is as
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  accurate as possible as to how things were.
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  We also have to face reality that we don't know we weren't
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  there. So what, what we read, you know,
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  even in, even in some of our sources, we see things that can,
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  for scholars especially that really analyze these, these
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  materials, they're contradictory at times.
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  Or, or they, they, they, they, they face a paradox, you know,
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  with, you know, especially when it comes to like when holy tides
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  were held. But no, but like with, with
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  regards to silence, you know, and the, the presence of silence
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  when things are quiet, when things are silent, there's a
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  stanza. There's several stanzas
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  throughout the whole of them all that kind of, I guess if you
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  will applaud or yeah, they applaud.
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  It applauds silence. There's a stanza.
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  It's a stanza 15. And I don't know which
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  translation this is, but it goes silent and thoughtful.
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  A King's son should be and bold in battle.
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  A man should be glad and happy. I believe it's the next stanza.
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  Thereafter it says that the knowing guest who goes to the
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  feast in silent attention sits. With his ears he hears, with his
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  eyes he watches. Thus weary are wise men all.
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  And there's other places around throughout the hall.
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  Of them all, I know there's one particular that talks about
• 25:02
  like, you know, the more a fool speaks, the stupider he gets
• 25:07
  kind of thing. It's it's like it that's not the
• 25:09
  actual quote, obviously, but it's it's admonishing people
• 25:13
  that like to run their mouth and and loose jaws and loose lips,
• 25:17
  right, Shut up, shut up. Like stop talking all the time.
• 25:23
  So like 1 interpretation, you know, you could go away from is
• 25:28
  like even look at Odin, who who gets probably the most attention
• 25:33
  of the all the gods. By and large I would say, you
• 25:38
  know, if on average Odin gets a pretty high-ranking attention,
• 25:44
  he's got most written about him, a big audience.
• 25:46
  Huge. Audience yeah, yeah.
• 25:48
  Or, you know, the most attention, you know, I mean, he,
• 25:50
  he gets positioned as the chief of the gods.
• 25:53
  He has all these, you know, stories written about him and
• 25:55
  his things, but even he teaches or or has, you know, emphasis on
• 26:04
  restraint and patience and observation, not constant
• 26:07
  dialogue. All right.
• 26:12
  He was hanging on a tree for 9 days and nights without
• 26:17
  anybody's help. He couldn't consult with
• 26:21
  anybody. He couldn't counsel anybody.
• 26:23
  He had to hang there and endure that agony of beings pierced by
• 26:27
  his own spear without food and drink for 9 days and nights.
• 26:33
  He couldn't talk to anybody. He couldn't.
• 26:34
  He had to be. He was there in solitude and in
• 26:38
  silence and then finally he screams and then gains the
• 26:42
  knowledge of the runes. But point being is that there
• 26:45
  was that period of silence that happened before it was
• 26:50
  necessary. It was part of, you know, it was
• 26:55
  part of his ordeal. There was nothing there to
• 26:58
  reassure him, no guidance. You know, it can't that that
• 27:01
  wisdom, that that knowledge, everything that he received, the
• 27:04
  knowledge of the mysteries came to him through endurance during
• 27:08
  silence. And that compliments our podcast
• 27:13
  so beautifully. And very happy that you mention
• 27:16
  that. Cause like Odin, we also had
• 27:20
  that disconnection. Those times would feel lost.
• 27:24
  We all hate for old trees or for those other practices.
• 27:29
  We all, we all have our own cross the bear.
• 27:33
  But it's an individual experience.
• 27:36
  Yeah. What makes special and sacred is
• 27:38
  what we make special and sacred. Not the world at large, not but
• 27:42
  it accompanies our family and friends and loved ones and the
• 27:45
  the greater world at large. That's just all the more better
• 27:49
  than special. Yeah, you know what I was just
• 27:53
  thinking of too. And this is like to to throw in
• 27:56
  just a bit of humor. Like, Can you imagine if, you
• 28:02
  know, people were around, right? And they knew who Odin was and
• 28:08
  that was that, you know, a chief for principal deity for them.
• 28:10
  And you know, he's hanging on Igor Seal.
• 28:14
  I know this is again, this is this is this is absolutely
• 28:16
  satirical or, you know, this is just for humor, right?
• 28:20
  Imagine I'll put myself into the mix right here I am 1500 years
• 28:25
  ago. Whatever. 2000 years ago.
• 28:27
  And I'm sitting there by the fire and I'm owed in.
• 28:29
  Listen to me. Why aren't you answering me?
• 28:31
  And the poor bastards hanging on a tree?
• 28:33
  Like what? Can't you see I'm busy?
• 28:35
  Like I'm kind of tied up here at the moment.
• 28:37
  I can't talk to you right now. Please leave a message.
• 28:41
  Yeah, like you're. A call to board to us.
• 28:43
  Just wait. Your your average wait time is 9
• 28:47
  days and nights. Would you like to stay in the
• 28:49
  queue or ask for a call back? You know, like.
• 28:54
  Oh boy. But, you know, it's so like
• 28:56
  thinking of it in that way too obviously, because the gods have
• 28:59
  their own agency and they are, they are acting and they are
• 29:01
  doing things of their own volition.
• 29:03
  And you know, of course they're not going to just be at
• 29:08
  everyone's whim at any point in time.
• 29:10
  They couldn't possibly they, they are limited.
• 29:13
  You know, they are not omnipotent and they are not
• 29:15
  omniscient. There is enough in the source
• 29:17
  materials that support that, that that's how the, you know,
• 29:22
  the culture understood how the gods behaved.
• 29:24
  They weren't all knowing, all powerful, all present, you know,
• 29:30
  and Odin's not the only one. Do you can you think of, I know
• 29:34
  you're not like really big into the to the Norse path much now,
• 29:37
  but have you ever come across any other gods that you can
• 29:42
  think of or goddesses for that matter, who are maybe one of the
• 29:47
  qualities that they are known for or by is their silence?
• 29:52
  Not to contrary to you, but Thor.
• 29:56
  Thor yeah, I would think the exact opposite.
• 30:00
  But I'm I'm eager to hear what makes you think him as as being
• 30:02
  sort of a silent figure. Like what makes you.
• 30:07
  Where do you come up with that? He gets the support.
• 30:11
  Again, just my words, not anyone else's, but yeah.
• 30:14
  No, yeah, no judgement. I'm just curious.
• 30:16
  We. Weather the storm every day.
• 30:18
  We weather the storm every day by just being alive now.
• 30:22
  Every day to wake up to see a lightning strike.
• 30:27
  Do I get support that I want to from him?
• 30:31
  No. But that endurance, that
• 30:34
  perseverance, that strength that He embodies and gifts to us,
• 30:39
  those bucks on the guard lives every day just as ourselves.
• 30:47
  You know, sometimes again, we get this great signs, like
• 30:50
  today, for example, me among my storms, hence why I'm wearing
• 30:54
  this shirt today, Tor I honor his spirit, I honor his
• 31:01
  presence. Thank you, appreciate that.
• 31:03
  But that's my example of other than that though, other deities,
• 31:07
  I just lean towards the Norse path now.
• 31:10
  And basically that's where it gets kind of off topic.
• 31:14
  So I'll refrain from mentioning that.
• 31:15
  But yeah, I'd love to hear what you say about that though, and
• 31:20
  your thoughts. Yeah, well, I mean, Thor is the
• 31:25
  last one that I would personally associate silence with because
• 31:30
  he is the Thunderer and Thunder is loud.
• 31:34
  Thunder is, you know it. It shakes, It roars.
• 31:40
  His his his goats are teeth gnasher and teeth biter.
• 31:44
  You know like these are noisy things you know of.
• 31:47
  Course they are. But did they occur every?
• 31:49
  Day. Sorry to interject here, but it
• 31:51
  doesn't occur every day and that grand scheme of things.
• 31:54
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
• 31:55
  I mean, of course, like, you know, just as the gods are not
• 31:58
  all powerful, all knowing, all present, these qualities that we
• 32:02
  often associate with the gods kind of limits them to their
• 32:06
  their entirety. They are, they are like, it
• 32:08
  would be like it would be like if you just knew me because I
• 32:11
  have long blonde hair and that's all you associated me with, like
• 32:15
  a quality or tattoos. You know what I'm saying?
• 32:18
  Right, right. By physical appearances, yeah,
• 32:19
  it's just, it's just a portion. Yeah, it's, it's surface level.
• 32:23
  It's just a portion. Now when I think of Silence
• 32:27
  Amongst the Gods, one of the first figures that I think of is
• 32:31
  Frig. She knows so much.
• 32:39
  She knows even more than Odin knows.
• 32:42
  And she doesn't speak, she doesn't reveal her secrets.
• 32:45
  She keeps that, she keeps that. And there's a song that I wrote
• 32:49
  that is dedicated to Frig called The Silver Silence, which is
• 32:53
  coming on till the final twilight dies, which is dropping
• 32:56
  May 1st. So shameless plug there, but
• 33:00
  she's one of the 1st that I think of among the Gods as
• 33:02
  embodying qualities that silence is not just necessary and
• 33:08
  appropriate, but even sacred. You're right, Vidar is is
• 33:16
  another one. I don't know if you're familiar
• 33:18
  with Vidar, I don't have to. Mention that.
• 33:19
  Yeah, just Vidar, Yeah. Yeah.
• 33:22
  What is what? What?
• 33:23
  Why is he? Why is.
• 33:24
  Yeah. So you know about his tale,
• 33:26
  right? What he's responsible for and
• 33:29
  his he's he's, he's his name is. I don't know, I don't know if it
• 33:33
  directly translated, but he is referred to as the Silent One or
• 33:37
  the Silent God because he doesn't do anything about
• 33:40
  anything until Ragnarok comes in any rips Fenrir's jaws open to
• 33:44
  avenge Odin, his father. So you know, if if any of the
• 33:50
  gods have an essence of stillness and endurance and also
• 33:55
  inevitability, you know he survives Ragnarok.
• 34:00
  He acts only when it's necessary he doesn't talk about it he's
• 34:05
  not like oh man I can't believe fenry or man eating my dad.
• 34:10
  You guys let me post about it on fate oh man can you guys
• 34:14
  believe? Wait till I get my hand.
• 34:17
  You know he's. Surfing is funny, he.
• 34:21
  Ain't tweeting about it. He's not.
• 34:23
  He's not chirping about it. He's just.
• 34:25
  #Victories, you know, hashtag legends, you know, like this is.
• 34:31
  Hashtag eat this friend. Rear like.
• 34:35
  Fender over here hashtag next time let's go but also that's
• 34:43
  it. I hope you don't mind me, but
• 34:45
  yeah, I was gonna say that my show my ignorance to Norse
• 34:49
  paganism, but it's just my opinion, you know.
• 34:53
  But that seen the guys were silent and I'm glad you
• 34:57
  mentioned that too, cause your is one of my favorites.
• 35:00
  It's just was ear ear not much mentioned of her, but she's
• 35:10
  can't find the right word. But like Freya and her arena, if
• 35:14
  you will. Yeah, yeah, she's one of well,
• 35:17
  she's one of the she's she's, I think she gets referred to in
• 35:21
  guilt beginning. Yeah, she's like a handmaiden,
• 35:22
  but she's a a physician of gods, right?
• 35:25
  She's a healer. Exactly.
• 35:26
  Right, right, she gets. She gets mentioned in the sort
• 35:28
  and I think it's the Prose Edda during in the guilt beginning.
• 35:30
  I think she gets mentioned as one of her handmaidens, as a
• 35:34
  healer, maybe even a Valkyrie or something like that.
• 35:38
  Like there's, there's, there's. I think it's guilt beginning
• 35:40
  but. And does she ever talk though?
• 35:42
  From I can remember from my studies, no.
• 35:46
  I can't say yeah, I don't think so because a lot of those
• 35:49
  figures, they get mentioned, but they don't have any sort of
• 35:53
  prominent role. Chapter Yeah.
• 35:55
  Yeah, they're just like tabulated in the annals of their
• 36:01
  their history or whatever. Like yeah, they shared show.
• 36:03
  Like, you know, Tear, Odin, Thor, Freya, Freya, you know,
• 36:10
  Balder. Yeah, Tell.
• 36:14
  Me look at that one too folder we.
• 36:16
  Do a pause for the cause, just for a couple minutes, yeah.
• 36:19
  Do your thing because we're we're streaming live.
• 36:22
  There's no way for me to pause it.
• 36:23
  But go ahead, take a, take a, you know, take a break.
• 36:26
  That's fine. Yeah.
• 36:27
  I'll be right back, guys. I'll just.
• 36:28
  Filibuster. Yeah.
• 36:30
  Thank you very. Much won't be long.
• 36:33
  That's that's what Co hosts do, man.
• 36:36
  Got a feeling you're audible? Goodness gracious, because.
• 36:39
  Thank you guys. I'll be right back.
• 36:41
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't know what the heck
• 36:46
  was going on with the Patreon thing because it keeps saying
• 36:49
  that the live has been cancelled.
• 36:51
  Not by me, it ain't. So I don't know.
• 36:55
  I don't know what's up with that.
• 36:58
  And that feels, oh, there's a chat.
• 37:01
  I have a chat from Patreon. Let me read this chat real quick
• 37:04
  while we're waiting for for Mr. Walsh to get back here.
• 37:07
  Thank you all for the for the patience and the support.
• 37:10
  Again, I know this isn't going live supposedly anymore but I
• 37:14
  don't know why but tis what it is.
• 37:21
  I'll say here I got direct message do I?
• 37:27
  Oh yeah yeah about 7 minutes ago.
• 37:32
  Cool. I was talking to another guy,
• 37:36
  fellow supporter here and also now a fellow podcaster.
• 37:43
  He has a a podcast, I'll just go ahead and plug it right now.
• 37:46
  It's called the Heretical Heathen, the Heretical Heathenry
• 37:50
  podcast, I think it's called. And the the host's name is
• 37:56
  Robert. He's been a follower of Midgard
• 37:58
  Musings and my podcast here for many years.
• 38:01
  So we're talking to him through Patreon chats and trying to get
• 38:07
  him to come on the show and then maybe me get on his show.
• 38:10
  So looks like that's going to be a thing and we just have to
• 38:17
  schedule it. And I'm looking forward to that
• 38:19
  because always love to get differing sides of things, new
• 38:24
  or existing creators that want to collaborate.
• 38:27
  That's a huge, you know, I, I get a lot of enjoyment out of
• 38:30
  that. What's up, man?
• 38:33
  Everything turn out OK. Yeah, it's just fine.
• 38:36
  Scott, a call from, but yeah, yeah.
• 38:39
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Had to go bring the main rain as
• 38:42
  I said that. Over here you have adorable.
• 38:49
  I'm sending frogs and mosquitoes here.
• 38:51
  Yay. Is that your dad, Joe?
• 38:53
  Right. That's right.
• 38:55
  Yep, Joe. 1000 I'll just say, hey, Joe, Jim.
• 38:58
  Sorry, Jim, you're Jim. Now Jim is Joe, now you're Joe
• 39:01
  now. We're just going to run with it.
• 39:04
  Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe.
• 39:07
  Where you going? What was that, Jimmy, right?
• 39:12
  Yeah. Hey, Joe, where you going do
• 39:15
  that? Don't go hand but now.
• 39:17
  I like, I like you like the Type O Negative cover of that.
• 39:22
  Oh, absolutely. Where?
• 39:25
  You going with that in your hands?
• 39:29
  Don't get started with tapping *** dude.
• 39:31
  They're badass. Simply badass.
• 39:33
  But again, thank you, listeners and viewers for watching and
• 39:37
  being patient. Like Josh mentioned, you know,
• 39:39
  it's just all part of the experience.
• 39:41
  So let's get back to the potatoes.
• 39:44
  Yeah, these meat and potatoes are getting eaten up, man.
• 39:48
  We're we're, we're having a hell of a good time with this, Yes.
• 39:50
  We are so I think. It's I think it's a great, you
• 39:53
  know, so yeah, VR, there's another one that doesn't get
• 40:00
  thought of that much. I was looking into this topic to
• 40:03
  try to. You know, get some some good
• 40:05
  talking points about this. Yeah, I think of Frigg.
• 40:07
  I think of, you know, Vidar Hooner is another God that is
• 40:15
  actually influential in the creation of mankind.
• 40:19
  And he is often described as being sort of quiet, but in the
• 40:28
  hesitant and dependent on counsel sort of way.
• 40:31
  I don't know, I don't exactly remember where he's mentioned
• 40:36
  briefly, but it's it's something along the lines along like he's
• 40:39
  reliant on Mimir to give answers about things.
• 40:44
  And then when Mimir can't give an answer, who near is just over
• 40:48
  here, like, well, I just he's like Robert F Kennedy.
• 40:51
  It's it's he just has these like Abilene that doesn't make a
• 40:57
  bunch of sense and he can't really answer or speak for
• 40:59
  himself. So he represents not stupidity,
• 41:03
  but it he he's more like, I want to make sure that I give the
• 41:06
  right answer instead of just giving an answer.
• 41:08
  So it kind of to me, if you will, What was that?
• 41:13
  Mindfulness, if you will. Mindfulness.
• 41:15
  Yeah, yeah. Pause before decision.
• 41:17
  You know Temperance thinking about it before you speak.
• 41:20
  Thinking ahead, taking 2 steps instead of one step in advance.
• 41:25
  Like really like many of us. With that said, and I've we.
• 41:29
  Share. Yeah, go ahead.
• 41:32
  We share. Like.
• 41:34
  Us as content creators, we bear in mind a lot of times,
• 41:37
  sometimes we scratch something what we shared, said or shared
• 41:41
  redacted and come back with them because we knew at the point
• 41:45
  when we shared, it wasn't the time.
• 41:47
  Much like you know him. Yeah, I was just trying to find
• 41:55
  the Yeah, so this is what I was thinking and I'm exactly
• 42:00
  correct. So who near is one of like along
• 42:05
  with Odin and Loder and some of the sources.
• 42:10
  It's Odin Villianve and then you got the other which is Odin
• 42:15
  Hooner and Loder who are are walking along the beach and they
• 42:21
  discover ask and Embla ash and Elm and they take those two
• 42:25
  pieces of wood and they create mankind.
• 42:28
  So Odin gives them breath, Hooner gives them odor, which is
• 42:39
  like intellectual insight, poetic inspiration, that spirit,
• 42:47
  right? So Odin gives them breath, he
• 42:49
  gives them intellect, inspiration.
• 42:52
  And then Loder gives them goodly appearance and makes them look
• 42:54
  all right. And so it's interesting that you
• 42:58
  know what whom there is associated with as being, you
• 43:03
  know, inspiration, intellect, right thinking things a bit more
• 43:07
  through that. He is described as being a sort
• 43:11
  of quiet or hesitant, mindful if you will.
• 43:15
  Am I still online? I I.
• 43:17
  I just brought you back on. I don't know what happened.
• 43:19
  I got. I got disconnected, my phone was
• 43:22
  overheating so I have to disconnect it from my charger
• 43:24
  here, so yeah. Your new phone is overheating,
• 43:28
  Patrick. I got.
• 43:30
  Don't get me started. Don't don't start you and your.
• 43:33
  An iPhone man, I can't. Yeah, I know, I know.
• 43:39
  But here we are just. Bust I'm just giving you agita.
• 43:41
  I'm just giving you agita. We talked.
• 43:43
  About this. Guy, this guy, the biggest, the
• 43:49
  biggest Sopranos fan that I even know could probably quote all
• 43:53
  how many seasons of The Sopranos are there?
• 43:57
  98 Do you know? 8 Because this the last season's
• 44:04
  broken up into two parts. OK, well anyway, there's a lot
• 44:08
  and not one time did any one of them say ajita.
• 44:15
  They never once said that. They might have, I haven't
• 44:17
  rewatched the series in a long time at least, but I.
• 44:20
  Said it to you and you're like, what's that?
• 44:22
  I'm like, I can't believe you, man.
• 44:23
  You like this Italian American sitcom, Not sitcom, you know,
• 44:26
  with me. Like, hey, come on.
• 44:29
  Hey, yo, hey. I could still spit on clothes
• 44:33
  like no one else, you know? It's like speckles to my balls.
• 44:39
  Try it with the mustard or try it with the ketchup.
• 44:42
  Try. The ketchup packets mix it with
• 44:46
  the relish it's. The fucking Pine Barrens all
• 44:49
  over again. Ah man, good time, he suckle.
• 44:53
  Punch me, toad. Fine bears, let's go.
• 44:59
  The best I you know, it was one of the best.
• 45:02
  Episode. I doubt, yeah.
• 45:03
  Yeah, yeah. Sopranos goes.
• 45:07
  Let's go. No, yeah.
• 45:10
  If you made it this far, if you made it this far in the episode
• 45:12
  and you can comment, comment below.
• 45:15
  What your what your favorite Soprano.
• 45:17
  If you're a Sopranos fan, you made it this far in the episode.
• 45:20
  Comment what your favorite line from The Sopranos is.
• 45:25
  Just what's yours? What's yours take time.
• 45:32
  I, you know, I don't have the, I don't have the the back.
• 45:35
  I don't have the same degree of memory like about it, 'cause I
• 45:39
  didn't watch The Sopranos like you did.
• 45:41
  I've seen some of it. I haven't watched all of it.
• 45:43
  So I can't say like I like Paulie just because of his, just
• 45:48
  because of our talent, the satanic shit like.
• 45:53
  Black magic Magic, you know. Fucking queasy throws a chair.
• 46:04
  Oh boy. That's not what we're talking
• 46:07
  about today, guys. We're this episode, but it's
• 46:09
  cool. We we we like to have fun.
• 46:12
  That's what it's about, right? But no, man, the I guess what if
• 46:18
  I guess what it kind of boils down to is, is realizing, right,
• 46:21
  like not all, not all divine presence.
• 46:25
  We like to think of it as like expressive and striking a nerve
• 46:30
  and hitting a nail on the head and just being, you know, horns
• 46:33
  from the heavens. Whoa, right.
• 46:35
  And it's not, it's not always expressive.
• 46:37
  Sometimes some of it is just kind of hanging out.
• 46:40
  It's suspended. It's it's waiting for that, that
• 46:44
  deep breath before the plunge kind of thing.
• 46:46
  You know, it's, it's, it's quiet, it's still.
• 46:52
  And we experienced that through our interactions with the
• 46:56
  divine. We have to, we have to come to a
• 46:58
  realization of that. I think we have to welcome that
• 47:02
  and be OK with it, right? Absolutely, and I want to give
• 47:06
  up a moment here to go back to my day today with my hike being
• 47:13
  relevant. Of course, today viewers and my
• 47:18
  friends were watching. Did I expect to have the day
• 47:22
  that it's today? No.
• 47:24
  I expected nothing. I came as I as I am.
• 47:29
  I came as I am. I arrived my destination and
• 47:35
  must tooth the dismay of weather forecasting.
• 47:38
  I thought I had a window of maybe an hour to go hiking and
• 47:42
  have fun, right? Well, I got there.
• 47:47
  I'm the only person there. Hell yeah.
• 47:50
  But then came a point on my hike again, a place where I see the
• 47:56
  deer so much. And at that point, I was in the
• 48:03
  deer. Dan, if you will, my guys, the
• 48:06
  place I see the deer more than any other place at this park.
• 48:11
  Gotcha. And I got there and the storm
• 48:17
  was coming fast. The lightning is striking hard
• 48:22
  and loud. And my gut was churning.
• 48:24
  Gosh, it was churning. I'm like, something's wrong.
• 48:29
  I'm very happy I listened to my gut to go back home and get back
• 48:35
  safely. Now, this is special and amazing
• 48:39
  because I got home safely. Now one of the options that
• 48:43
  could have happened, I might have got struck my lightning.
• 48:46
  Just so you know, you saw my pictures.
• 48:49
  Dude, that one lightning bolt came down pretty much in your
• 48:51
  lap. Literally in.
• 48:53
  My lap. Like you, the fact that you
• 48:56
  caught that on camera, I'm like, you need to send that into like
• 48:59
  the the local like news station or something like check this
• 49:03
  out. I won't.
• 49:03
  Time I won't type it just like I want to keep it special and
• 49:06
  sacred now. But you don't.
• 49:07
  Have to. I'm just saying like they would,
• 49:09
  I will. Eventually, maybe, but you know,
• 49:11
  just again, ties in with divine experiences with our gods, our
• 49:18
  land spirits, our ancestors. Guys, we can't make that happen
• 49:25
  unorganically. It happens on its own accord at
• 49:30
  the best time to approach it, which is tricky because if we
• 49:34
  try so hard to think, all right, I'm gonna make something
• 49:37
  special, I have no expectations. I'm not going to expect
• 49:39
  anything. You have expectations just doing
• 49:42
  that. You have expectations, just
• 49:45
  preparing yourself. Quiet the mind, be still, live
• 49:50
  your life. The special ties will come to
• 49:53
  you when they come to you. They'll come to us when they
• 49:56
  come to us. Can't force that, as much would
• 50:00
  like to. And sometimes it does work out.
• 50:03
  I'll tell you what, there have been rare occasions where I want
• 50:05
  to connect with sacred, the gods, my ancestors.
• 50:09
  It works out great. But more often than not, again,
• 50:13
  it comes like ourselves, on our own accord and practice.
• 50:21
  Yeah, and you know, there's that and then there's also
• 50:24
  understanding the formula. You know, some some people don't
• 50:29
  like to lean too heavily into historical sides of things.
• 50:36
  There's a reality that we have to face with, especially with
• 50:39
  heathen. A lot of reconstruction is yet
• 50:45
  get kind of the they get a tongue lashing from a lot of the
• 50:49
  modern neo Pagan movements and stuff like that, you know, and I
• 50:54
  want to just caution the audience about leaning one way
• 50:58
  or the other too heavily yet. There has to be a balance,
• 51:01
  right. But in that balance, evenry as
• 51:07
  it is today, it is a reconstructed religion.
• 51:12
  We know not as much as we would like to know.
• 51:16
  We're reconstructing it. It has been reconstructed
• 51:20
  before. We're doing it now.
• 51:21
  We're still finding pieces of things and learning things even
• 51:24
  now. And, you know, we're talking
• 51:26
  about a folkway in the tradition that exists in an indigenous
• 51:29
  culture in Europe that dates, you know, thousands and
• 51:32
  thousands of years. We're in North America, we're in
• 51:34
  the United States. This is not native to this land.
• 51:38
  So we're practicing, we're believing, we're doing things in
• 51:41
  landscape that it is foreign to. So understanding the dynamics of
• 51:48
  the gods in a way that reflects our ancient ancestors is a
• 51:51
  challenge in itself. So as we go through these
• 51:55
  things, as we navigate through things, please understand,
• 51:57
  right, that the historical side reconstruction is as well
• 52:01
  intended as they are and as well informed as they are.
• 52:04
  Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't get too aggressive with
• 52:09
  it. It's.
• 52:11
  A lot of it's hung up on. It or hung up on it, right,
• 52:13
  because a lot of a lot of things that we're that we're
• 52:15
  experiencing are happening to us in real time.
• 52:17
  We're not basing what we're doing on historical sources.
• 52:21
  We're looking at those historical sources and maybe
• 52:23
  comparing or, or drawing conclusions that are as closely
• 52:28
  based upon historical sources as we can.
• 52:30
  OK, what would my ancient ancestors have done in a
• 52:33
  situation like this? Like for you example, right,
• 52:35
  you're out here in the freaking wilderness.
• 52:39
  Granted, it's a, it's a public trail system, but you're still
• 52:44
  in the wilderness and then a storm pops up and you're having
• 52:48
  to endure it, weather it and stay alive and stay safe.
• 52:53
  Imagine what that would have been like for your ancestors a
• 52:58
  hundred, 200,000 years ago that lived out in the hearth.
• 53:02
  They lived out in the field. Those storms popped up.
• 53:05
  That was their life. That was a part of their life.
• 53:07
  It was an unpleasant part. It was an inconvenient part, but
• 53:10
  it was a part. Necessary, very necessary too.
• 53:14
  Again, that that kind of coincides with the holy ties,
• 53:17
  especially this time around with, you know, the spring
• 53:21
  equinox to prepare our next harvest planting.
• 53:27
  I gotta be careful here 'cause they'll be very easily to go off
• 53:29
  track here. But like this is one of many
• 53:32
  holy ties, one of many holy ties, a moment of weakness for,
• 53:37
  well, like me gardening my journey.
• 53:42
  I know we're at the gate. Some plants, plans or hopes may
• 53:48
  pass. That's OK.
• 53:52
  But it stands the reason why we convene and inspire ourselves
• 53:57
  and inspire to connect with the sacred, to get help, guidance
• 54:04
  and support, and a moment of need and a time of need.
• 54:09
  For sure. And you know, so much of the way
• 54:14
  that the sacred was, you know, the gods, the divine, the holy,
• 54:19
  whatever name you will put to that, so much of how it was
• 54:26
  defined or or exemplified, if you will, was through nature,
• 54:31
  that you know, they were living in nature, nature.
• 54:33
  They were in a relationship with nature and their divinity, their
• 54:38
  source, their holy powers came through nature.
• 54:45
  Nature aspects. We know the Thunder was Thor and
• 54:47
  and good crops was blessings from prayer and victories in
• 54:51
  battle was, you know, from Odin and and this and that, right?
• 54:54
  So there were associations to their life through nature that
• 54:59
  they deified or that became deified through their natural
• 55:05
  relationships of the land, with the land being custodians, being
• 55:11
  caretakers, knowing that they were relative, right, seen and
• 55:17
  unseen. And that goes to to the point
• 55:21
  too, right, With silence. You know, they did not see the
• 55:27
  gods as service providers. You know, I think one of the
• 55:33
  biggest modern misunderstandings that Heathenry and even paganism
• 55:36
  gets nowadays is people are expecting the gods to behave
• 55:40
  like something is like that, like they're just a service that
• 55:43
  you can tap into on demand. Like a nurse or doctor, we can't
• 55:48
  do that. Like you can just call them up
• 55:50
  and they'll answer and fix your problems or, or give you a
• 55:53
  solution to. No, it ain't not with the gods.
• 55:57
  It ain't like that. You know, if you want a problem,
• 55:58
  if you want, if if you got a problem, yo, your ancestors will
• 56:02
  solve it. Vanilla Ice, right?
• 56:06
  Yo problem. I'll solve it.
• 56:08
  Kick it back. Do pay.
• 56:09
  Revolve it. Da da, da, da.
• 56:10
  I forget the lyrics. Yeah.
• 56:11
  I hear you though. I hear you, but.
• 56:14
  But yeah, because that's not how it's like.
• 56:16
  You go back to historical, right, the sources.
• 56:19
  This is not how the people understood things to be.
• 56:23
  The gods were seen as powerful. They knew that they were
• 56:27
  powerful, and they were unpredictable in their power.
• 56:30
  Their forces were unpredictable. They weren't consistently
• 56:33
  commutative beings. They weren't just at your
• 56:39
  disposal to leverage for things that you needed or wanted.
• 56:44
  And they aren't. They weren't and they aren't.
• 56:48
  I think that's, I think that's an important thing for a lot of
• 56:50
  people to come to an awareness too, because if they weren't
• 56:57
  then, why would they be now? And I hear some history for
• 57:04
  those, some of you like me who grew up Catholic or Christian,
• 57:10
  we have that mindset drilled into us that God was always
• 57:14
  there for us every step of the way.
• 57:16
  We had that, if we will. Again, I don't want to offend
• 57:20
  anyone saying this, but codependency and being on the
• 57:26
  hidden path switches it up at this point.
• 57:32
  We have opportunities and these moments of silence to really
• 57:35
  like, I can't reach the gods. Jesse can't reach sometimes even
• 57:40
  my ancestors. Well, that's where we had to do
• 57:44
  the damn work and go into. Figure it out ourselves.
• 57:51
  Calibrate recourse correct? We're right.
• 57:53
  We're the best course of magic, of healing and great things and
• 57:58
  horrible things too. Don't allow me to say all the
• 58:01
  great things 'cause we're capable of great things and
• 58:04
  horrible things. It's all within us and outside
• 58:08
  of us. Yeah, we are powerful beings
• 58:12
  from anyway, because I was talking to earlier today about
• 58:17
  this with with my wife, We, we are spiritual beings and that's
• 58:24
  Patrick pouring a drink, not him peeing, by the way.
• 58:28
  Fucking hell. All right then.
• 58:30
  Cats are the bad guys, God damn it.
• 58:35
  I'm getting all deep in it and he's over here like it's fine,
• 58:39
  it's fine. Fucking hearing you.
• 58:44
  No, but realizing, right, We, we are spirit beings.
• 58:47
  We, we exist in a mortal fleshly body that is going, it's
• 58:53
  decaying day by day. It has an expiration date, but
• 58:56
  we don't, we are not, we don't have an expiration date.
• 59:02
  I you know, we exist and will exist and have existed.
• 59:08
  We are spirit beings and we're just confined and limited in our
• 59:12
  present form while we're traveling through on this plane.
• 59:18
  And there's a problem that comes with that because we've got
• 59:24
  fucking anxiety and depression and dumb shit that you know,
• 59:29
  comes along the way that. It just blows my mind, yeah.
• 59:36
  I'm good man. That's it's I'm just saying like
• 59:38
  if, if, if every path, if every step of our path think talking
• 59:42
  about the gods or even other more closely relational
• 59:49
  existence, right with our ancestors or the local spirit,
• 59:51
  right? If every path, if every step of
• 59:54
  your path, Patrick, if you are validated along every step of
• 59:58
  your path, do you think that you're going to develop
• 1:00:02
  discernment? No, absolutely not.
• 1:00:05
  Yeah, I've got you mentioned that too because if the gods or
• 1:00:10
  crispy or whatever you want to call it and they're accompanied
• 1:00:13
  us every step of the way. That's the bill Tinning.
• 1:00:17
  That's bad, Yeah. What is that doing for us?
• 1:00:19
  What you know happens. When things go wrong because
• 1:00:22
  they will go wrong, we need times and moments of silence and
• 1:00:28
  harshness, winters and falls. We need those harsh periods to
• 1:00:34
  be mindful of what's going on inside and outside of ourselves.
• 1:00:39
  It's all again. I must look at the statue across
• 1:00:43
  my chest this point just. But it's all part of the journey
• 1:00:46
  because I live and I stand by that fact that.
• 1:00:50
  'D be sick, but. Yeah, anyways, sorry.
• 1:00:55
  Well, I mean, let's tie it back to what we were talking earlier
• 1:00:57
  about with Odin and hanging from Egg Brasil for nine days, a
• 1:01:01
  night in silence, in agony by himself.
• 1:01:07
  You know, he didn't. He didn't receive what he
• 1:01:10
  received through comfort. He earned it through not just
• 1:01:15
  the ordeal, but through the uncertainty.
• 1:01:17
  Do you think that Odin knew that it was going to take 9 days and
• 1:01:21
  nights? I think it's, it's one of those
• 1:01:24
  wild things that I like to think about.
• 1:01:26
  Like imagine being him and you're on this pursuit to learn
• 1:01:31
  mysteries, discover these mysteries, these ancient
• 1:01:35
  mysteries that nobody else knew at this point in time or that
• 1:01:38
  were you know, And you you arrive at this tree and your
• 1:01:47
  spear down and you where are the runes?
• 1:01:50
  Where where are the mysteries? I thought they were.
• 1:01:52
  I thought they'd be here. And it's like, no, you've got to
• 1:01:56
  you got to hang out for a while. OK, How long is a while?
• 1:02:00
  Don't know. I guess we'll figure it out.
• 1:02:03
  And you hang there and an hour goes by and you're like, OK.
• 1:02:11
  And then two hours go by and you're like, shit.
• 1:02:14
  And then six hours go by and you're like, are we done yet?
• 1:02:18
  A day goes by and you're like, surely by now I've done enough.
• 1:02:22
  I've, I've, I've endured enough of this discomfort.
• 1:02:27
  And then the next night and then the next night and then the next
• 1:02:31
  night and you have, there's no end insight Like when you're
• 1:02:34
  when, if you if, if you were to try to put it in our frame of
• 1:02:38
  mind, right? Think about that, man.
• 1:02:40
  Think about how long we recognize time in nine days and
• 1:02:44
  nights. That's a week and 1/2 of being
• 1:02:48
  alone with no food, no drink and you're hanging and you're
• 1:02:52
  wounded. It looks pretty grim at this
• 1:02:57
  point. Probably not going to come out
• 1:03:00
  on top from this one. This is probably where I'm going
• 1:03:03
  to be forever. Like I'm probably going to die
• 1:03:04
  here, like the thoughts, the things that that were
• 1:03:08
  circulating, the uncertainty, the, the, the, the doubt, right,
• 1:03:13
  That that could have been going through his mind.
• 1:03:15
  The, the and it's we're relating.
• 1:03:18
  I'm relating this. I'm I'm bringing myself my own
• 1:03:20
  personal UPG, right? I'm relating myself to go
• 1:03:24
  through something like that. I I can't compare myself to a
• 1:03:27
  God in a sense of of that, but thinking along the lines of man,
• 1:03:33
  the uncertainty, not knowing that after 9 days and nights
• 1:03:37
  like you didn't have he didn't have a a run book like hang for
• 1:03:42
  9 days and nights to discover the runes.
• 1:03:44
  Got it. Nope.
• 1:03:46
  Right now. Never that simple.
• 1:03:48
  Fuck that shit. He had no idea, you know, didn't
• 1:03:52
  know it was going to be whatever it was.
• 1:03:54
  So the uncertainty is another thing that it it's madding to
• 1:03:58
  think about, really, but. Also bad ass too.
• 1:04:03
  Yeah. But very challenging.
• 1:04:04
  It's equal parts like messed up badass well.
• 1:04:09
  That silence, you know, that isolation, that solitude, that
• 1:04:12
  endurance, like it tests any, any kind of test, like any kind
• 1:04:16
  of situation where you put into that extreme of a circumstance,
• 1:04:19
  it tests your motivation absolutely.
• 1:04:23
  Without that you can, you know, cuz once you like, oh wow, if I
• 1:04:27
  can, if I can endure this, what else can I endure?
• 1:04:33
  What else could I doubt myself on?
• 1:04:36
  You know, being able to accomplish previously that once
• 1:04:41
  I've accomplished this, you know, we've talked about this
• 1:04:44
  before. You yourself have, have shared
• 1:04:46
  in, you know, moments of, we call it fasting or with, you
• 1:04:53
  know, withdrawing from certain things for betterment, right?
• 1:04:57
  Hey, if you can do, if you can do a week, you can do 2 weeks.
• 1:05:00
  If you can do 2 weeks, you can do 3-4 or five.
• 1:05:02
  You can hell, you can do it forever.
• 1:05:03
  If you want, you can keep on going.
• 1:05:05
  If you can do it for a certain period of time, then you can do
• 1:05:07
  it indefinitely. It it's all back here.
• 1:05:09
  It's all comes to what, what we're, what we're assigning the
• 1:05:15
  importance of something to. If we think too much about it,
• 1:05:18
  if we if we that's going to be too hard, well then it we've
• 1:05:22
  already lost. Yeah, yeah, exactly right.
• 1:05:25
  You're cut yourself short. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:33
  So you know, this, this opens up kind of a, an opportunity for
• 1:05:39
  not just us here, but for like the audience that that catches
• 1:05:42
  this when they do to ask, you know, like if you are
• 1:05:50
  experiencing things and the experience, like let's say you
• 1:05:56
  start off and you're getting the feedback, you're getting the
• 1:05:59
  connection, you're getting these signs, these, these moments of
• 1:06:03
  like what I did worked, Rika, I've got it.
• 1:06:11
  But then those experiences stop. You stop getting those
• 1:06:17
  affirmations, you stop getting those validations.
• 1:06:20
  Would you still continue practicing what you're doing?
• 1:06:25
  Without doubt this is my answer, but.
• 1:06:28
  Getting those validations right. And that's an important question
• 1:06:31
  to ask. Are we doing it to get the
• 1:06:34
  response or are we doing it because it's what we feel is the
• 1:06:37
  right thing to do? It's what speaks to our spirit.
• 1:06:39
  It's what it's what connects us through whatever it is
• 1:06:42
  ancestors, you know, heritage, this and.
• 1:06:45
  That could be downright scary to ask ourselves that question
• 1:06:49
  because I'm not assuming or presuming anything from you,
• 1:06:53
  myself, or anyone else watching. But broadly speaking, there are
• 1:06:57
  people who may not be part of this channel or followers, but
• 1:07:02
  there are people. Let's make guys who follow a
• 1:07:05
  fad. 00, they're Norse Pagan. Oh, they dress so cool.
• 1:07:09
  All right, cool. Let's go like, no, no, no,
• 1:07:13
  they're messed up. Not messed up, but they're on
• 1:07:15
  the wrong path. The fog, a fad.
• 1:07:18
  This is a lifestyle, be it Norse paganism, animism or whatever
• 1:07:23
  path. It's a lifelong pursuit.
• 1:07:27
  Most of silence, inspirations, uplifting and amazing times and
• 1:07:34
  downright ugly like myself. And maybe too, we could all
• 1:07:39
  release that with Odin, hanker from the street like myself,
• 1:07:43
  with opiates or depression, what have you.
• 1:07:47
  We've been there. We've been naked and bare to the
• 1:07:53
  forces, to the elements, to our gods, to our ancestors.
• 1:07:57
  And though they may not speak their support, I believe with
• 1:08:03
  our true intentions, with the best of love, what we're going
• 1:08:08
  through. And we'll go through a heaven
• 1:08:10
  through. It's imperative to know we're
• 1:08:14
  special. Yeah.
• 1:08:18
  You know, we talked earlier about or I asked you, I think
• 1:08:21
  right around the beginning or near the beginning of the
• 1:08:22
  episode asking you, you know, is this something that you've
• 1:08:27
  experienced, you know, talking about that silence from the
• 1:08:31
  gods, right when the gods go quiet, when they go dark and you
• 1:08:34
  don't feel that sort of thing where things went quiet, you
• 1:08:39
  know, and it got you, you know, emotional.
• 1:08:40
  Now I wanted to ask you another question if I could of.
• 1:08:43
  Course, yeah. About that.
• 1:08:45
  So when that happened for you, I'm I'm curious what changed in
• 1:08:50
  your practice during that time? To be my fault that there are
• 1:08:56
  things going on outside and inside myself.
• 1:09:00
  Now inside I know I'm going to some things that no one else can
• 1:09:05
  relate to. That's OK.
• 1:09:08
  Now, on the grand scale, I know I'm not alone like you or anyone
• 1:09:14
  else like my dad. Or my mom or my brother.
• 1:09:27
  It's unfair to compare, but Trump be revelant to this
• 1:09:31
  question. What happens?
• 1:09:33
  This is again being Bible of inside but outside again, other
• 1:09:38
  people. We struggle together again.
• 1:09:41
  That's why I'm grateful and happy that our gods, our
• 1:09:44
  ancestors, our family, whatever you choose to call it, may not
• 1:09:49
  always be there to say, hey, good job, Jesse, good job,
• 1:09:52
  Patrick, good job, whatever. No, that's OK.
• 1:09:57
  They don't have to voice their opinions all the time.
• 1:10:00
  Sometimes with enough practice and experiences.
• 1:10:05
  That said, with the key that mine in these dark hours may
• 1:10:11
  days be at 9:10 or whatever, they don't have to voice their
• 1:10:16
  opinion. They have to get their support.
• 1:10:19
  We have to take it on the core to experience our challenges and
• 1:10:24
  celebrations. So hopefully that's a good
• 1:10:27
  answer, but that's what I have to say about.
• 1:10:29
  Well, it's your answer. I mean, I appreciate you, you
• 1:10:31
  know, answering it. Of course, you know, and that's,
• 1:10:34
  I think for me, 'cause I have a very specific moment that I can
• 1:10:38
  think of where I really felt like I was not being noticed or
• 1:10:47
  that there was something going on that was, you know, I felt
• 1:10:53
  abandoned. Yeah.
• 1:10:55
  Or I felt abandoned. I mean, I'll be honest, like I
• 1:10:57
  felt abandoned. Like I thought something had
• 1:10:59
  left me. And that was, there was a
• 1:11:01
  moment. There was a time where I was,
• 1:11:03
  you know, I was discovering my Filia, getting acquainted with
• 1:11:09
  them, the heroin, getting a lot of feedback from the landscape,
• 1:11:17
  from the local spirits of the land and the Heron and all that.
• 1:11:20
  And then there was also a time that I didn't get any of it.
• 1:11:26
  I'm like, I'm at the river, I'm doing the work, I'm here, I'm
• 1:11:30
  praying, I'm sending prayers, I'm giving offerings.
• 1:11:33
  I'm doing these things and I'm not getting a visual indication
• 1:11:38
  that they are present. What am I doing wrong?
• 1:11:41
  And I remember talking to some brothers about it and, umm, kind
• 1:11:48
  of being vulnerable about it, 'cause I did it, it made me feel
• 1:11:51
  like I had, I'd been remiss, you know, or that I was doing
• 1:11:55
  something wrong. And I learned, you know, what
• 1:11:58
  changed in my practice for that, for me, I, I still kept doing
• 1:12:04
  it, but I didn't look for visuals because I had to learn
• 1:12:10
  this is their space. This is things are happening and
• 1:12:13
  you are not. The world doesn't revolve around
• 1:12:16
  Jesse, the life cycle. Things don't revolve around you,
• 1:12:21
  me. No, of course not.
• 1:12:22
  And I had to, I had to come to that realization, but nothing.
• 1:12:26
  I still did what I was doing. But I, I, I, I entered that
• 1:12:31
  doing of things with a different mindset.
• 1:12:33
  I realized, OK, well, whether I see something or not doesn't
• 1:12:37
  change that what I'm doing, the work is still being done.
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  And if anything, it's strengthened, it's strengthened
• 1:12:46
  my approach. It strengthened my path.
• 1:12:47
  I don't know how it did for you. Hopefully it, it strengthened
• 1:12:50
  yours too, or deep in it, if it even, you know, but that's,
• 1:12:54
  that's, that's my, that's my personal, you know, reflection
• 1:12:57
  on that is, is when I wasn't getting those validations.
• 1:13:02
  It, it allowed me the opportunity to realize that
• 1:13:06
  they're not here to, to validate you and you're not here to
• 1:13:10
  receive it. Yeah, it'll, it'll happen when
• 1:13:14
  it happens, you know? Perspiratory those to hard times
• 1:13:18
  'cause this hard times serve as a lesson.
• 1:13:23
  Every day we experience this things like being disconnected
• 1:13:27
  again. Guys, it's OK be disconnected.
• 1:13:30
  We need to be disconnected to reconnected yet again.
• 1:13:33
  Why go hiking so much? It comes as no surprise.
• 1:13:36
  Why go outside so much? It's not escaping anything.
• 1:13:40
  It's being present an element outside my own to really be
• 1:13:44
  like, all right, well, nature's nature, it runs on its own
• 1:13:48
  course in its own pace. So it's unfair to compare 1 to
• 1:13:52
  another. It's just part of the journey.
• 1:13:54
  Again, tattooed diaper 2026 or whatever.
• 1:13:58
  But just like God damn. Like it's very important to know
• 1:14:01
  that very imperative to know that one experience is not
• 1:14:05
  merited by to another experience 'cause we live our own lives
• 1:14:09
  separately, you know, but just again, this is my second answer,
• 1:14:15
  but. Absolutely.
• 1:14:17
  Well, the other thing too, I think that that this problem of,
• 1:14:22
  and I say problem loosely, but the challenge that we face with
• 1:14:35
  having a hard time accepting the silence or when the gods go
• 1:14:38
  quiet and all that, I think a lot of it is rooted in the
• 1:14:43
  reality that we do live in a time where everything is
• 1:14:49
  immediate. You know what I mean?
• 1:14:53
  Absolutely. Like there's constant
• 1:14:56
  stimulation going around. We've talked, I've talked about
• 1:14:59
  this on the show. You've probably been on the show
• 1:15:00
  before we talked about this, but you know, instant feedback
• 1:15:04
  loops, you know, expectations of when I send a message, I get a
• 1:15:08
  response or at least it gets seen.
• 1:15:11
  You know what I mean? Like whatever instant
• 1:15:14
  gratification, constant stimulation, immediate responses
• 1:15:18
  to things. So when when we're inundated
• 1:15:21
  with that standard, I believe that it can transfer into our
• 1:15:28
  spirituality if we're not careful, the expectation of
• 1:15:31
  spiritual, quote UN quote, results because we're so
• 1:15:38
  stimulated constantly. So like when things go quiet and
• 1:15:42
  we're not getting that stimulation or that validation,
• 1:15:44
  I think we have people are assuming that something must be
• 1:15:49
  broken. Something's wrong, I've done
• 1:15:52
  something wrong, something's wrong, right.
• 1:15:53
  There's there's there's a glitch here somewhere.
• 1:15:56
  It's not cut and drives that. It's not so simple as that.
• 1:15:59
  No, nothing's broken. It's like we said at the
• 1:16:01
  beginning, like nothing is broken.
• 1:16:02
  You're not, you're not. You're not doing anything wrong.
• 1:16:06
  The only thing that's not happening is your own
• 1:16:09
  entertainment. You're not being entertained
• 1:16:12
  anymore. You're not being fucking patted
• 1:16:14
  on the back giving a good all had a boy, right?
• 1:16:17
  That's the only thing that's different.
• 1:16:20
  You're not. Your ego's not getting stroked.
• 1:16:23
  You know, nothing's broken. You just aren't getting
• 1:16:27
  stimulated. And look at those.
• 1:16:29
  Look at that. Look at them.
• 1:16:30
  Is it still sunny there or is that the is that the porch
• 1:16:33
  light? It's my girl.
• 1:16:34
  Light. It's my plants and I.
• 1:16:36
  Oh OK OK, for a second I thought you were outside and that the
• 1:16:39
  sun was shining on like 8A damn clock at night.
• 1:16:42
  Actually this. Still daylight?
• 1:16:43
  Give me a second. Let's go.
• 1:16:46
  Let's go It still cuts for daylight.
• 1:16:51
  Yeah, it's dusk. Yeah.
• 1:16:53
  Yes, Dusk, right? Yeah.
• 1:16:55
  Definitely more bright, not as bright as what I was seeing.
• 1:16:58
  For a second there I was like, what the hell?
• 1:16:59
  No, no. Did you move to the West Coast?
• 1:17:03
  Maybe we're at the. Same time zone.
• 1:17:07
  Right. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:17:08
  I'm like, did you just transport to fucking like Washington or
• 1:17:12
  California all of a sudden and now it's, you know, 5:00.
• 1:17:15
  But no, that's. What's my place 'cause this
• 1:17:18
  covers basically what we're talking about.
• 1:17:21
  Yeah. Are you, are you like, when are
• 1:17:25
  you? When are you thinking about
• 1:17:27
  transplanting? May 1st.
• 1:17:29
  May 1st. Yes, that's right.
• 1:17:32
  OK, Beltane. That's right.
• 1:17:35
  Also the the the the cigar bloat Eve.
• 1:17:40
  Yeah, Hell yeah. They're doing great.
• 1:17:43
  They're doing great. Not to get off track, but my
• 1:17:48
  boys. No, I think that is on track
• 1:17:51
  honestly, because what happens in silence when you're asleep,
• 1:17:54
  when you're not there, they, they are growing.
• 1:17:56
  They are, they are doing their thing and it's happening
• 1:17:58
  quietly, happening silently. You're part of it and there's no
• 1:18:02
  noise to there's visual things that you can see right there,
• 1:18:07
  growth and you can see there and all of that, but there you go.
• 1:18:16
  When the gods go quiet, what do you do?
• 1:18:20
  What what happens? What happens when we feel that
• 1:18:25
  exactly right? Maintain your practices anyway.
• 1:18:28
  Remain steadfast. 'Cause you will be rewarded.
• 1:18:33
  'Cause you know why? What do you think matters more?
• 1:18:40
  Inspiration or discipline? Discipline.
• 1:18:44
  Without a doubt. We need.
• 1:18:46
  This we need the hard times we. Need to be fucked up more than
• 1:18:50
  inspiration. We.
• 1:18:51
  Need to be challenged 'cause it builds greatness.
• 1:18:54
  Struggle breeds greatness and I stand by that.
• 1:18:58
  Not the praise or shout. Out or to my own whore.
• 1:19:01
  But guys, you know, being born lived different.
• 1:19:05
  A black sheep who will. Many of us can relate to that.
• 1:19:10
  But again, our journey is our own.
• 1:19:13
  Not our mom, not our dad, not our cousin, not our brother, not
• 1:19:16
  our sister. It's our journey, guys.
• 1:19:20
  Come on. OK, OK.
• 1:19:24
  We are special. We matter.
• 1:19:27
  We're different. Don't be ashamed of being
• 1:19:30
  different. Now, I'll tell you what though,
• 1:19:33
  it's easy to feel that way, especially with family.
• 1:19:37
  Again, keeping it revelant to the meat, potatoes.
• 1:19:39
  But I've. I'm proud of you, listeners and
• 1:19:43
  viewers who've gone this far keeping you.
• 1:19:50
  I'm proud of you. I can't speak on your gods, your
• 1:19:53
  practice, but I'm proud of you for supporting myself and chess.
• 1:19:58
  But anyways, again, you know, back to you, Jesse.
• 1:20:02
  Oh man, it's great. I love, I love the, the
• 1:20:05
  attention that you're bringing to ourselves with this.
• 1:20:09
  It's, I think it's important also, as you, as you talk about
• 1:20:12
  that is, is to recognize, yes, discipline does matter more than
• 1:20:16
  inspiration. It's, it's about doing the work,
• 1:20:19
  It's about applying yourself. And then in that endeavor, you
• 1:20:24
  know, you focus on what you have control over.
• 1:20:29
  You have control over what offerings you give.
• 1:20:31
  You have control over how your behavior reflects.
• 1:20:34
  You have, you have control over the consistency, you know what I
• 1:20:39
  mean? Those are the things that you as
• 1:20:42
  an individual, we as individuals have control over.
• 1:20:45
  So it's, it's instead of seeking the experience, we, we, we, we
• 1:20:49
  shift to building a relationship and maintaining it and being
• 1:20:54
  disciplined and doing it anyway. Right, with the ebb and flow,
• 1:20:58
  the actions and things present to us, like things that happened
• 1:21:02
  to me personally with my family that I expect that that happened
• 1:21:06
  like, much like my hike today. And it happened, Yeah.
• 1:21:10
  These moments that challenge us may be great and dumb, right?
• 1:21:14
  Fucking horrible. Horrible beyond measure.
• 1:21:18
  Scary. Terrifying.
• 1:21:19
  Absolutely. But does that stop me for loving
• 1:21:22
  a loved one who's suffering? I tell you, barely viewers, my
• 1:21:28
  brother Jesse, No, we keep doing what we do.
• 1:21:38
  We keep doing what we do and we also, I think here's here's
• 1:21:41
  like, let's let's bring it to like a a reality, like let's
• 1:21:48
  back to reality. Oop, there goes rabbit heating.
• 1:21:53
  I don't know, whatever. So I'm I'm terrible with the
• 1:21:56
  with the lyrical relations. Anyway, so we talk about this,
• 1:22:03
  right? We talk about relationships,
• 1:22:05
  having a relationship with the land, with our gods, not
• 1:22:10
  expecting things. And in that expectation, that's
• 1:22:12
  an expectation. Whether it happens or not, like
• 1:22:15
  that's still an expectation. Think about this is every
• 1:22:22
  relationship that you have, and this isn't just pointed to you,
• 1:22:25
  Patrick. I mean, I'm saying this, you
• 1:22:27
  know, to the audience, to myself even.
• 1:22:29
  But is every relationship that we have, are we in a constant
• 1:22:35
  conversation? Are we in constant connection
• 1:22:41
  with any relationship that we have?
• 1:22:45
  No. No.
• 1:22:46
  So why should we assign that expectation of being in constant
• 1:22:52
  connection with our relationship with the gods when we're not
• 1:22:55
  even in constant relationship with the people who are in front
• 1:22:59
  of our faces? And why should we choose this,
• 1:23:01
  to call this to assist our duties?
• 1:23:03
  Why should we get that excuse to make?
• 1:23:06
  All right, I'm done. I have got the luck with Thor or
• 1:23:09
  Freya or the deer or what have you.
• 1:23:12
  Should I stop now? No.
• 1:23:15
  Like I lost my hike again. I got messed up.
• 1:23:19
  I got rescued, more or less, but I just did that stop me from
• 1:23:22
  hiking. You know the answer.
• 1:23:25
  You all know the answer, you know me, but just no, of course
• 1:23:28
  not. That's a negatory Yeah, man.
• 1:23:36
  It's, you know, physical silence.
• 1:23:39
  You know, when we look at mythic, yeah, comparing the
• 1:23:42
  physical silence, mythic silence, nature has that.
• 1:23:48
  You know, sometimes we, we like to experience nature for the
• 1:23:53
  sights and the sounds that it offers.
• 1:23:56
  And then there's other times, dude, when you're just out on
• 1:23:58
  the trail and you stop, maybe you sit on a stump, maybe you
• 1:24:03
  sit on a log, maybe sit on a rock, maybe whatever.
• 1:24:06
  And you just enjoy the silence. Yeah, there's nothing.
• 1:24:14
  Silence. And again, that's why I'm glad
• 1:24:19
  you mentioned that too, because with special modes, with
• 1:24:23
  divinity, be it the gods or our ancestors, sometimes that's just
• 1:24:28
  for us. A moment just between US and
• 1:24:32
  sacred was easy to like. All right, Facebook, here we
• 1:24:36
  come. Or Instagram, here we go.
• 1:24:38
  You know, like, that's OK, but sometimes it's important.
• 1:24:43
  To get it. Separate those two.
• 1:24:46
  It's an. Awareness thing.
• 1:24:48
  It's it's an awareness thing. Awareness.
• 1:24:50
  Thank you. Yeah, you're exactly right.
• 1:24:51
  Thank you. Thank you.
• 1:24:53
  I appreciate that awareness. I.
• 1:24:56
  Mean there's like, you know, I have it with my river walks.
• 1:24:58
  You have it on the trail, you know, not everything that I'm
• 1:25:02
  like, dude, there are so much that on my last river walk that
• 1:25:08
  I was exposed to that I was given presents with that did not
• 1:25:15
  get captured on a camera. And I'm not I'm fine with that.
• 1:25:18
  Like that's totally OK. I don't that was for me.
• 1:25:22
  You know, when a Heron, three of them, whatever at different
• 1:25:26
  points in time, when they literally fly up over me almost
• 1:25:29
  to the point that I could reach out and touch him.
• 1:25:30
  I could see the pin feathers on their breasts and, and the Crest
• 1:25:34
  on their head and the color of their, their beak and just, you
• 1:25:38
  know, see that in front of me. There's no way that I could have
• 1:25:42
  that camera and done it justice. Why?
• 1:25:46
  Because that's not what it was for, you know, and, and that's
• 1:25:51
  the other thing too. If, if, if, if our entire
• 1:25:55
  spiritual life depends on feeling something, getting that
• 1:26:01
  validation, getting that, whatever, then I would, then I
• 1:26:06
  would venture to say that what we're what we're going after is
• 1:26:10
  not the depth of our practice. It's just stimulation.
• 1:26:17
  I just want to be out there to capture something that I can
• 1:26:19
  share with somebody else that they can go, oh wow, likes
• 1:26:23
  reacts, you know, downloads, views, fucking clout nonsense,
• 1:26:29
  right? If that's all it is, you're
• 1:26:31
  chasing the stimulation. Your loss, your loss.
• 1:26:34
  Not in it for the right reasons. We'd be guilty of that too.
• 1:26:39
  I'd be guilty of that. I'm not shame to say it.
• 1:26:42
  Well, I am kind. Of shame to say that yeah, we.
• 1:26:45
  All have, you know, shame. And admitting it, we've all
• 1:26:46
  have. But it's coming to that
• 1:26:47
  awareness, right? Again, guys, those of you
• 1:26:50
  watching me and Jesse are not higher or below anyone else or
• 1:26:55
  with you. Nope.
• 1:26:57
  Again, guys, group hug. That's nothing right now.
• 1:27:01
  But we stay in United. We love each other.
• 1:27:07
  I precept the way again that into the video here but.
• 1:27:12
  For sure man, I appreciate that. We're not heroes, just Average
• 1:27:18
  Joe, Dick and Harry if you will. Like, dude, I'm just, I'm just,
• 1:27:22
  I'm just, you know, I'm just cruising through this journey,
• 1:27:28
  doing the best that I can with what I've been given and
• 1:27:33
  learning along the way and course correcting as I go.
• 1:27:40
  I'm not. I'm not in any form or fashion
• 1:27:43
  positioning myself as an authority, no.
• 1:27:48
  With this nor can I there. Are things that I know that I'm
• 1:27:51
  going to teach with, like for example, you know, the living
• 1:27:54
  Food arc that is I am an authority with that, I have the
• 1:28:00
  experience. I am positioning myself as I
• 1:28:02
  will be your teacher. I will be your guide.
• 1:28:04
  I will give you the lessons to give you the skills to do the
• 1:28:07
  thing that I know is working because I've seen it work on
• 1:28:10
  this and that that's different. But with all this, like what
• 1:28:13
  we're talking about, it's, it's, you know, I'm just, it's, I'm
• 1:28:18
  sharing, you're sharing you're, you're part of this, you know,
• 1:28:22
  as the Co host this this week, sharing an experience and other
• 1:28:26
  people can hear it, watch it, absorb it and relate in their
• 1:28:31
  own way as they, as it speaks to them, you know, and it's a
• 1:28:37
  reflection point too, right, Because as we talk about source
• 1:28:40
  material, historic this and that, we see a repeated thing,
• 1:28:45
  right? These these old stories, they
• 1:28:47
  don't, they don't promise constant connection.
• 1:28:51
  We live in a moment, we live in a time now where constant
• 1:28:55
  recognition is happening, constant stimulation is
• 1:28:57
  happening. But that wasn't a thing.
• 1:29:00
  These, these old stories, these these sources, whether it's
• 1:29:04
  sagas, myths, lore, poems, whatever they are, they show us
• 1:29:09
  something that's harder, a bit more real, I think.
• 1:29:14
  Maybe if we buy sample if you will.
• 1:29:18
  Yeah, lead by deed, God damn it, right.
• 1:29:21
  That's a, that's a phrase that we're both familiar with.
• 1:29:23
  Lead by deed. Exactly right.
• 1:29:25
  And again, it's very challenging to look back on these sagas,
• 1:29:30
  these chapters of other people and other Davies lives.
• 1:29:35
  And when we look back on these figures, these inspirations,
• 1:29:39
  sometimes we lose track of ourselves and that's OK.
• 1:29:42
  Again, no judgement. We're here together, but just
• 1:29:47
  damn it, guys, how challenge is that?
• 1:29:50
  We go back to Odin again, he suffers.
• 1:29:55
  Does he seek lags, views anyone in that period or no, Of course
• 1:30:01
  not. They're part of what they're
• 1:30:04
  going through. And that's a lesson in itself,
• 1:30:08
  right? Because I think the wisdom of
• 1:30:13
  these stories of the past, right, the things that have
• 1:30:16
  gotten retained and passed down, that wisdom is, is often found
• 1:30:24
  in when there's no noise, when it's quiet, it's the silence.
• 1:30:31
  Because endurance matters. And you know, sometimes our
• 1:30:40
  path, that path forward as we're moving, sometimes we are walking
• 1:30:47
  that path without, without reassurance.
• 1:30:53
  That's, that's reality. So when the gods go quiet for
• 1:30:59
  the people, you know, for the for the sake of the title of the
• 1:31:02
  episode, right when when the gods go quiet, I don't think
• 1:31:06
  that I don't think that the question that we should ask is
• 1:31:10
  where did they go? What do I do?
• 1:31:14
  Who have you become in that moment of silence?
• 1:31:19
  What has happened to me when they went silent?
• 1:31:23
  What is going on with me? Go back to ourselves.
• 1:31:27
  Focus on that. Where did I?
• 1:31:30
  Where did I go? What have I become in that
• 1:31:34
  silence? You know, because they haven't
• 1:31:39
  gone anywhere. They've always been.
• 1:31:43
  It's, it's us alright. Yeah, it's us that have become,
• 1:31:50
  uh, awakened or, or reintroduced or reminded of our place in the
• 1:31:59
  whole grand scheme of things where we are woven into this web
• 1:32:04
  of weird to make it irrelevant, you know, to, to make it
• 1:32:09
  relevant to the heathen audience.
• 1:32:11
  Right. Weird.
• 1:32:11
  And, and this tapestry of threads that, you know, make up.
• 1:32:18
  That's amazing what it is. It really is.
• 1:32:20
  Yeah. They've always been.
• 1:32:21
  They've always been and they continue to be, always will be.
• 1:32:25
  Yeah. And.
• 1:32:26
  That's a really covering attack too, don't buy me, but that's
• 1:32:30
  very covering to know they won't go anywhere.
• 1:32:34
  It's us that sometimes go elsewhere.
• 1:32:38
  Again, no shame guys stills new or existing on this path, much
• 1:32:44
  like myself or anyone else. It's OK to feel that way.
• 1:32:48
  Don't shame yourself. Don't hide the corner.
• 1:32:51
  If you want to hide A corner, that's fine, but sometimes you
• 1:32:54
  gotta break outside that shell. Become the man, the woman, your
• 1:32:59
  men's feet. Yeah, don't, don't, don't be
• 1:33:03
  shameful of the path that you're on.
• 1:33:05
  Embrace it. And even when it's hard, even
• 1:33:09
  when it throws you off a loop, maybe, maybe, maybe the path
• 1:33:13
  that you're on has a cause. God damn it.
• 1:33:18
  You know, I've felt it too. I've, I've been on a path that
• 1:33:21
  has, I've stepped a little bit off and I went humbling down the
• 1:33:24
  ravine. I landed on my ass.
• 1:33:28
  I landed on my face. I you know what I mean.
• 1:33:30
  And then I had a crawl back up the ditch.
• 1:33:35
  I had to crawl back up and get back on the path.
• 1:33:37
  But that that tumbling down is a lesson too.
• 1:33:41
  There was a moment of a lesson and you know, I've wrote about
• 1:33:46
  it. It's you know, it's some of
• 1:33:48
  that, some of that a piece of my story of life is, is captured in
• 1:33:53
  the saga of the Heron that flies to hell, where through those
• 1:33:59
  through those moments of of challenge, you know, literally
• 1:34:04
  being attacked or being, you know, exposed to forces that
• 1:34:12
  would want to see you dead or, you know, try to fail or fail.
• 1:34:19
  Right, right, right, right. Going through it and getting
• 1:34:22
  through it was was the lesson. But it it, you still come out a
• 1:34:26
  little bit beaten, a little bit battered, you know, wings
• 1:34:29
  tattered, beak slightly bent. You know there's a song.
• 1:34:37
  Or it's broken I. I wrote this song for it, you
• 1:34:40
  know, it's, you know, a beak bent with time, feathers torn by
• 1:34:47
  the winds of the Nordenier. You know, the, the, the, the,
• 1:34:54
  the, the, the constant existence.
• 1:34:57
  Because again, we, we're in this physical form.
• 1:34:59
  So we have these ideas, but we're still limited in this
• 1:35:02
  physical form to go through it. And it's it gets frustrating and
• 1:35:06
  it gets these. Ideas and expectations too.
• 1:35:09
  You know, we have expectations like what should do better than
• 1:35:12
  yesterday? Like no, no, no, look, today is
• 1:35:15
  today. Be present, be my fault.
• 1:35:19
  What's gone through Seize the Day.
• 1:35:21
  Exactly right. That's what I.
• 1:35:23
  Love dude, that's what I love. Garpe DMC is the fucking day,
• 1:35:27
  right? And that's what I love you and I
• 1:35:30
  share with others. Like every day.
• 1:35:33
  Doesn't matter what time you wake up, somebody is greeting
• 1:35:38
  the day and acknowledging the day as grand and as great and
• 1:35:48
  that you are claiming greatness. You know, this is something that
• 1:35:53
  we share with other brothers, right, Patrick?
• 1:35:56
  We, we have that experience where we have that group chat
• 1:36:02
  going and it's, you know, every day, no matter who it is.
• 1:36:05
  That's right. It might be me, it might be
• 1:36:06
  John, might be you might be Adam, whoever somebody is in
• 1:36:12
  there greeting the day as it being grand because that is what
• 1:36:16
  it is. And this is a beautiful practice
• 1:36:18
  to a beautiful practice of, of presence of awareness is to, you
• 1:36:22
  know, some people work nights, some people work odd hours, but
• 1:36:26
  whatever time you're, whatever time of day that you awake, that
• 1:36:31
  is a new day that you've been given, it's a gift.
• 1:36:35
  You have life in your breath, in your lungs, you have life in
• 1:36:38
  front of you. You have vision, you have sight,
• 1:36:41
  you have feelings, you have things that are gifts.
• 1:36:45
  And to acknowledge it and to pray and to give thanks for that
• 1:36:49
  you know, this is a life that we only get once this version.
• 1:36:56
  So to thank, to be thankful, to show gratitude to hail the day,
• 1:37:02
  hail sons of day, hail night and her daughter now give to us
• 1:37:06
  wisdom and goodly speech, right. This, this great prayer from the
• 1:37:11
  Sig 3 from all That's what that's, you know, such a great
• 1:37:15
  stanza. It's a great lines.
• 1:37:17
  But man, it is it is a cultural thing that we can as as the
• 1:37:21
  dramatic peoples, as heathens, right?
• 1:37:23
  We can rightfully adopt that as our prayer to wake welcome the
• 1:37:31
  day with our waking eyes, you know, give to us wisdom and
• 1:37:34
  goodly speech and healing hands lifelong.
• 1:37:37
  You know that waiting we victory win such a powerful way to start
• 1:37:43
  your your day, your your night, whatever your existence after
• 1:37:48
  sleep, after rest, you know you've been rested, you've been
• 1:37:50
  given sleep. Now you come forth into this,
• 1:37:55
  this grand rising, this greatness that you claim it.
• 1:37:59
  And if you claim it, then it is it's yours.
• 1:38:03
  It's yours. It's yours for the sake.
• 1:38:06
  Yeah, like that's that. Yeah, seize the day, carpe diem.
• 1:38:13
  Fucking right. But all right, man, we've been
• 1:38:17
  going for what is it now? An hour and a half?
• 1:38:19
  A little over all, right, All right.
• 1:38:21
  I want to be respectful of your time.
• 1:38:23
  We pretty much covered all of the, as you like to say, the
• 1:38:26
  meat and potatoes. I think the you said.
• 1:38:28
  It first. Yeah, well, I said it first
• 1:38:31
  after you said it like 17 times, it's going to be it's going to
• 1:38:35
  be a thing, OK? Every time Patrick's on a
• 1:38:37
  podcast, anytime he says meat and potatoes, you take a shot.
• 1:38:41
  It's going to be a drinking game.
• 1:38:42
  And let's see how you all turn out.
• 1:38:47
  You made it this far in the episode.
• 1:38:49
  Tell me in comments how many times Patrick said meat and
• 1:38:52
  potatoes. I'm sorry in defense guys, if
• 1:38:59
  you're like. No, no, don't be sorry.
• 1:39:02
  Embrace it. You know, I'm sure I have those
• 1:39:05
  things too. I'm sure that I don't know, I'm
• 1:39:10
  not aware of it. I'm not aware if I have anything
• 1:39:12
  that, that, that is, is quite like that cause like I was, I
• 1:39:17
  was joking around, you know, John, you know, decent.
• 1:39:21
  He, yeah, he, I was, I was joking around with him because
• 1:39:26
  we were all camping at Adam's a couple weekends ago.
• 1:39:29
  I remember that. I remember that very fine.
• 1:39:31
  Have you noticed? Have you noticed like when he
• 1:39:33
  talks there, he says things. And by the way, I've already
• 1:39:35
  said this to him in person. So me talking about it right now
• 1:39:38
  without him here, it's fine because he would absolutely
• 1:39:42
  corroborate this, right? But hadn't you noticed talking
• 1:39:45
  to him that he will? So like, I'll be John for a
• 1:39:50
  second, right? And you're talking to me and
• 1:39:54
  then my response as John. Yeah, You know, it's one of
• 1:39:57
  those. It's just one of those.
• 1:40:01
  That's his. That's his thing.
• 1:40:03
  That's his phrase. It's one of those.
• 1:40:06
  Have you noticed that? Yeah, I have.
• 1:40:08
  It's just one, yeah. So I'm like, bro, you're going
• 1:40:14
  to play a drinking game where every time you say it's one of
• 1:40:16
  those we have to take a shot, we'll be dead within the first
• 1:40:19
  like 3 minutes because it's. So he just, he said and he
• 1:40:25
  laughed, man. He was like, yeah, no, you're
• 1:40:26
  right. It's just one of those I'm like,
• 1:40:28
  see, there you go again, you know?
• 1:40:32
  Yeah, I know right there is what sort of thing out the ass.
• 1:40:36
  It's a meat and potatoes. That's, that's, that's
• 1:40:38
  Patrick's, you know, drinking game.
• 1:40:40
  How many times? Patrick says back to the meat
• 1:40:42
  and potatoes or safe roster shout out.
• 1:40:44
  Don't give a start there. That's another one.
• 1:40:47
  But meat and potatoes on the podcast, you say it a lot, and
• 1:40:52
  I'm not no problem with it. I'm just saying I appreciate
• 1:40:55
  that that's your thing. All right, let's get back to the
• 1:40:56
  meat and potatoes. Well, shit, bro.
• 1:40:59
  OK, All right, I. Adopt that motherfucker.
• 1:41:01
  I adopt that one. It's mine.
• 1:41:03
  It's mine. It's.
• 1:41:07
  Mine my island. It's my island.
• 1:41:14
  That was a great scene. That was a great scene from
• 1:41:16
  Braveheart too. God's old man.
• 1:41:21
  Hey old man, that almost my friends.
• 1:41:27
  Dude's like, are you conversing? Is your father a ghost or are
• 1:41:31
  you conversing with the Almighty?
• 1:41:33
  In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to
• 1:41:36
  God. Yes, Father.
• 1:41:40
  He says answer the block of Russian.
• 1:41:43
  Answer the fuck the Almighty says.
• 1:41:49
  Old man. Hey, that's my friend, old man.
• 1:41:55
  Good stuff. Yes, if you get to, if you get,
• 1:41:58
  if you fight for me, you get to kill the English.
• 1:42:00
  Excellent, excellent. You answered my.
• 1:42:04
  Question. The old man says he's got me,
• 1:42:07
  but he's pretty sure you're fucked.
• 1:42:12
  All right? All right.
• 1:42:13
  So any questions, any comments? Well, I think that pretty much
• 1:42:19
  wraps it up and I'm glad that you're here and able to
• 1:42:25
  contribute so much, man. I just want to say thank you to
• 1:42:27
  Co hosting with me and bringing a lot of your spirit and insight
• 1:42:33
  to the topic this week. I think it was a great topic to
• 1:42:36
  to share in because this was the one that was like, man, I could
• 1:42:38
  talk about this on a solo thing, but I dude, I want to, I want to
• 1:42:42
  get some dialogue, you know, and you definitely brought that man,
• 1:42:45
  and I appreciate it. So I'm glad that we could meet
• 1:42:49
  on that level and get into the, as you say, meat and potatoes.
• 1:42:55
  So do you have anything else for me?
• 1:42:57
  Do you have any comments, questions, things you want to
• 1:42:59
  leave for people before we wrap this up?
• 1:43:05
  I do keeping it my fault like the Raven that you're mentioning
• 1:43:16
  be my fault. But I was going to say be
• 1:43:20
  yourself. Don't shame yourself in these
• 1:43:23
  days, hours, weeks, maybe years of silence.
• 1:43:29
  That's OK. Take comfort and this is part of
• 1:43:35
  the journey. It's OK to get lost again.
• 1:43:39
  I go out to nature so much because I'm not escaping
• 1:43:43
  anything. I need a place to be myself and
• 1:43:48
  I help and pray to all you you find a special place like me, be
• 1:43:54
  it outdoors, blogging or what have you.
• 1:44:00
  Don't get dismayed. Be yourself.
• 1:44:05
  Do you know? Sorry, didn't mean to cut you
• 1:44:08
  off. No with that said, just want to
• 1:44:13
  throw this out there prayers and thoughts to my dad.
• 1:44:20
  Won't go into details but I'm hoping my man mentioned that but
• 1:44:25
  my dad needs all the support he can give or get.
• 1:44:29
  He needs it. And it's Jim, not Joe, by the
• 1:44:32
  way, I was playing earlier. Hey.
• 1:44:36
  Joe Hey, Joe. But yeah, absolutely Jim.
• 1:44:40
  Jim, I know he doesn't probably listen or watch the podcast, but
• 1:44:44
  he. Never will, but yeah, you've got
• 1:44:45
  this. And let him know, man, like I
• 1:44:47
  mean, we've never met in person, but I love your son.
• 1:44:51
  He's a brother of mine, which makes you kin to me as well.
• 1:44:55
  And all the healing, all the power, all it you've got this
• 1:44:59
  man. Just keep it, keep it up, keep
• 1:45:02
  that. Keep fighting.
• 1:45:04
  Don't, don't, don't give up. You've got this.
• 1:45:06
  I. Appreciate that brother.
• 1:45:08
  So that's my and also before I continue and and my piece of
• 1:45:12
  this amazing podcast that I'm so grateful of the part of and
• 1:45:15
  thank you brother, for allowing me the opportunity to be a Co
• 1:45:19
  host in the world channel you listeners, let's go.
• 1:45:27
  Thank you for giving Jesse the love.
• 1:45:33
  As for he sorely deserves this guy over here.
• 1:45:38
  This guy over here. Jesse has been a long standing
• 1:45:42
  best friend and brother of mine. And to those of you who love
• 1:45:46
  support him again, thank you from the bottom of his mind,
• 1:45:51
  body and heart and spirit. I thank you, like myself, for
• 1:45:57
  helping him in his journey because he also validates and
• 1:46:02
  accompanies our journey just like our gods and our ancestors.
• 1:46:06
  Thank you for giving giving him the time of your day.
• 1:46:09
  To watch his content, subscribe and to the top tiers of his
• 1:46:13
  Patreon channel, thank you. With that said, if there's
• 1:46:17
  something I can do to give a added bonus to maybe next
• 1:46:21
  month's patrons challenge, maybe I can give something in return.
• 1:46:25
  Maybe my own ruining or whatever.
• 1:46:31
  I'll be working on that in the future.
• 1:46:32
  But I'll, I'll look at something in return to Bill, to your
• 1:46:36
  supporters, something I can give and my love support for them.
• 1:46:41
  Well, brother, I mean, I think, I think absolutely.
• 1:46:43
  I mean, whatever speaks to your spirit, but like just the fact
• 1:46:45
  that you want to be here and contribute your time, like
• 1:46:49
  that's a huge gift our and this is a thing that doesn't get
• 1:46:53
  spoken of enough. Our time is a gift A.
• 1:46:57
  Sacrifice. Yeah, we can't get back the.
• 1:47:00
  Time that we've given, it's been given already.
• 1:47:02
  So the fact that you've dedicated an hour and 40
• 1:47:05
  something minutes already that we're about to wrap up closely
• 1:47:08
  is, is a tremendous gift. And I thank you for that as
• 1:47:13
  being willing to Co host and be present on the podcast as often
• 1:47:17
  as you are. It's it's a great gift.
• 1:47:19
  So thank you. I was going to say lastly,
• 1:47:24
  before we wrap it up, are are you like, are you a Depeche Mode
• 1:47:27
  fan? Do you know Depeche Mode?
• 1:47:30
  I've. Heard of them?
• 1:47:32
  You've heard of them? There's there's a pretty famous
• 1:47:35
  song that they're famously known by and the title of the song is
• 1:47:40
  Enjoy the Silence. That sounds very, very familiar.
• 1:47:46
  I have to look it up afterwards, but yeah.
• 1:47:48
  Yeah. All I ever wanted, all I ever
• 1:47:52
  needed is here in my arms. Words are very unnecessary.
• 1:48:00
  They can only do harm. No, no, no.
• 1:48:04
  No. Is that the right tune?
• 1:48:06
  Yeah. Yeah, just very familiar.
• 1:48:08
  Sounds stupid familiar and I'll get myself in the ass at the
• 1:48:12
  back of washes like. Just say.
• 1:48:14
  Just say. I heard that song.
• 1:48:15
  Yeah. I knew it.
• 1:48:16
  I knew. It my parting words, my parting
• 1:48:19
  piece of my parting piece. I guess as we wrap this up is
• 1:48:24
  for the listeners, right? And for the viewers.
• 1:48:27
  Give that a spin. Listen to Depeche Mode, enjoy
• 1:48:30
  the silence and listen to the lyrics.
• 1:48:33
  Words like violence break the silence, come crashing into my
• 1:48:38
  little world, painful to me, Pierce right through me.
• 1:48:41
  Can't you understand anyway, it's it's it's a poetic sign off
• 1:48:47
  of sorts, but the title of the song is enjoy the silence.
• 1:48:51
  And this is a message to pass to the listeners and the viewers,
• 1:48:54
  right? Silence can be deafening.
• 1:48:57
  It can be scary. It can be terrifying.
• 1:48:59
  It can cause you to question things and question yourself
• 1:49:03
  even, but realize that it's part of the process.
• 1:49:09
  It it is absolutely, then it, it, it exists and it needs to
• 1:49:14
  exist. So enjoy it, embrace it, become
• 1:49:17
  familiar with it, give it space. Don't don't try to ring bells to
• 1:49:22
  to to keep noise happening just for the sake of it avoiding it.
• 1:49:26
  Enjoy the silence, embrace the silence, and thank you.
• 1:49:34
  Yeah, man. So I'm going to end the live
• 1:49:36
  stream, which isn't really going, I guess anymore for
• 1:49:39
  whatever reason. But anyway, for the listeners,
• 1:49:41
  for the viewers, when you catch this, please check out the links
• 1:49:45
  that are annotated anywhere in this episode to follow Patrick
• 1:49:49
  along in his journey. All the stuff that I have, of
• 1:49:52
  course, you know, that's a standard thing.
• 1:49:55
  I hope to see you tomorrow, which is Friday, May 1st by the
• 1:49:59
  time you hear this on YouTube or Facebook, your choice for the
• 1:50:04
  live broadcast, live listening stream party until the final
• 1:50:09
  twilight dies. We're going to have an awesome
• 1:50:11
  time. We're going to be listening to
• 1:50:12
  jams. Lyrically, it's important.
• 1:50:14
  Musically, it's inspiring. It is my kind of it's it's close
• 1:50:21
  to my heart because I worked it, but I don't you know, I hope you
• 1:50:24
  all enjoy it too. Some of you have already gotten
• 1:50:26
  the pre-order, and I hope you're enjoying it, but we'll check it
• 1:50:31
  out on the live stream. And yeah, So what else do you
• 1:50:36
  have to say, Patrick? Anything else?
• 1:50:37
  Is that it? I was.
• 1:50:38
  Going to say I was going to be there with you.
• 1:50:40
  Yeah, yeah, you better because you better be.
• 1:50:45
  Yeah, my birthday. You're.
• 1:50:45
  Going to hear all the songs front to back man.
• 1:50:48
  Yeah, I will. I'll be there because I have an
• 1:50:50
  extended period time off from work because my birthday will be
• 1:50:53
  on Wednesday and I have yes like grace period of.
• 1:50:57
  Happy early birthday to Patrick, by the way, because what are
• 1:51:00
  you? Are you turning the Big Four O
• 1:51:02
  this year? That's right, 40. 30 a fucking
• 1:51:05
  40 year old virgin. No, no you're not.
• 1:51:08
  I'm just playing with you, happy.
• 1:51:10
  To say no I'm not, but it's. Just lordy, lordy, look who's
• 1:51:13
  40. I was about to say what?
• 1:51:14
  What's The Dirty 30s? Nifty 50s?
• 1:51:18
  It's lordy lordy, look who's 40. Yeah, you're joining the 40
• 1:51:21
  club, man. Welcome to the fucking party,
• 1:51:23
  pal. You know, I was so happy to be
• 1:51:26
  here. Yeah, All right, well, happy
• 1:51:29
  early birthday. I know we'll talk again since
• 1:51:31
  then or or after that tonight, but to the listeners, to the
• 1:51:35
  viewers, to anybody that caught this, I know there wasn't for
• 1:51:38
  some reason, Patreon just shit the bet on it.
• 1:51:40
  But anyway, thank you all for your support.
• 1:51:42
  Thank you for being here, thank you for supporting Patrick,
• 1:51:45
  thank you for supporting what I do and support yourself, man.
• 1:51:50
  Hold yourselves up and enjoy the silence.
• 1:51:54
  So until we talk to each other again, Patrick, you hang around.
• 1:52:00
  May the gods continue to notice you, and may your ancestors
• 1:52:04
  smile upon you. We'll see you in the next one.