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BITTER SWEEP: Three wins over Rangers do little to mute volume of frustrated Angels fans · Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast

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Speaker 1: Well, hey Angel fans, and welcome back to Halo territory.
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Speaker 1: We got a little four top for you today. Mike
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Speaker 1: Di Giovanna, former Elli Times Baseball writer and host of
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Speaker 1: the show, joined by Mark Trumbo, the former Angel slugger
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Speaker 1: and our regular co host. And we have Sam Bloma,
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Speaker 1: the athletic and Breezy Nolan, longtime season ticket holder and fan.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to all you guys. Well, it was a weekend
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Speaker 1: of contrast in Anaheim. We're on the field the last
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Speaker 1: place Angel swept three game series from the Texas Rangers,
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Speaker 1: and off the field, fans voiced their anger toward owner
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Speaker 1: Artie Morino in a very loud, very persistent, and very
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Speaker 1: organized way, sell the team chance and some more vulgar
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Speaker 1: chants directed at the owner echoed throughout the stadium and
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Speaker 1: could be heard clearly on TV and radio broadcasts.
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Speaker 2: There was a protest.
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Speaker 1: Outside the stadium before Saturday night's game, and the hostility
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Speaker 1: toward Moreno seemed to be amplified by the whole tarpsoff movement.
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Speaker 1: They're phenomenon that swept across the game less so question
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Speaker 1: for my panel today is this an inflection point for
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Speaker 1: the fans for the team for the owner.
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Speaker 3: What do you think, Sam, Yeah, I think so because
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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, if you've gone to Angels games. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I'm covering this team for six years, and I think
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Speaker 3: the reputation with Angels fans is always that they'll just
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Speaker 3: kind of they're almost passive, right, that.
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Speaker 2: They'll show up.
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Speaker 3: It's like the Rockies last year where they would sell
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Speaker 3: out the stadium and one hundred and nineteen lost season.
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Speaker 3: And so I think this is this is this fan
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Speaker 3: base pushing back, and I think there are several factors.
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Speaker 3: They talked about it with Breezy out at the protests
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Speaker 3: the other day. I think it's the Anaheim Ducks having
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Speaker 3: the season that they had and proving that this fan base,
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Speaker 3: which are the same people that go to games in
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Speaker 3: both Anaheim and Los Angeles of Anaheim, you know, it's
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Speaker 3: the same crowd and they see what winning looks like
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Speaker 3: and what it feels like. And then secondly, I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's everything you're hearing from ownership, it's everything you're hearing
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Speaker 3: from Perrymnazi, and it's fans feeling like they're being gas lit.
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Speaker 3: It's you know, going into this series, obviously they swept
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Speaker 3: the Rangers but you know, they go into the series
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Speaker 3: as the worst team in baseball, you know, having lost
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Speaker 3: all of these catastrophically painful games, getting blown out by
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Speaker 3: the Dodgers and losing a bunch of games and X
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Speaker 3: ratings to the A's.
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Speaker 2: It's it's it was just building.
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Speaker 3: It's been this building frustration, and I think you're hearing it.
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Speaker 3: And I think this is fans pushing back and and
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Speaker 3: you know, this little tarp's off thing is given a
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Speaker 3: vehicle for it. I mean, Olie Marmel's out there buying
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Speaker 3: tickets for these fans. Meanwhile, Kurt Zuki's kind of twisting
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Speaker 3: himself in a nod to avoid even addressing the question. So,
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's this very significant contrast, and you know,
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Speaker 3: Angels are just kind of having to wear it right now,
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Speaker 3: and they should. They absolutely earned it.
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Speaker 2: Breezy.
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Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of social media comments, the resentment
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Speaker 1: angers sort of building as this past couple of seasons
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Speaker 1: eleven ten losing seasons now, but is there something a
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Speaker 1: little different about this latest Uh these protests and and
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Speaker 1: and some of the the sort of the volume of
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Speaker 1: the voices right now.
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Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, I would definitely say that as a season
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Speaker 4: ticket holder at the beginning of May, not being able
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Speaker 4: to sell our tickets that are front row right at
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Speaker 4: the on deck circle, like the fact that I cannot
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Speaker 4: get anything for them, and I'm essentially having to give
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Speaker 4: my tickets away to games that I can't attend. And
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Speaker 4: there was there were comments about that too, like, oh,
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Speaker 4: you just bought these tickets to sell them.
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Speaker 5: That's not the case at all.
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Speaker 4: I go to an enormous amount of games, but like
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Speaker 4: I can't go to every single game, and so if
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Speaker 4: there are games that I can't attend, obviously I.
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Speaker 5: Try to sell them.
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Speaker 4: And the fact that it's I mean, it is hard
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Speaker 4: to try to even get bare minimum, you know, like
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Speaker 4: half of what we pay for our tickets and I
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Speaker 4: you know, so that that alone, I think is really frustrating.
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Speaker 4: I was sitting at the game yesterday and I was like,
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Speaker 4: this feels like an October baseball game already.
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Speaker 5: Like that, it's.
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Speaker 4: Nobody cares, like everyone feels checked out. You're looking at
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Speaker 4: the lineup and you're just like, I don't even know
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Speaker 4: who half the people are that are playing right now.
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Speaker 4: Like that is usually I'm sorry, not in October or
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Speaker 4: September games like where.
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Speaker 3: We're the October first Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, October first, where we're like, okay, yeah, exactly, but
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Speaker 4: you know September baseball, where like everyone just feels checked out,
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Speaker 4: you don't know who's on the roster. Like that's exactly
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Speaker 4: what yesterday, this last weekend really felt like, even though
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Speaker 4: we are winning, I think it has a lot to
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Speaker 4: do with the tarps off movement. And you know, like
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Speaker 4: I was there for the very first game that they started,
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Speaker 4: and they're sitting there chanting sell the team, and Zach
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Speaker 4: Netto gets the walk off and he literally points at
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Speaker 4: the tarps off people and he's like, thanks guys for
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Speaker 4: the energy, and I'm like, wow, that's interesting, Like you're
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Speaker 4: you're giving credit to the guys that are screaming you
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Speaker 4: sell the team. And I don't know, maybe he just
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Speaker 4: didn't hear that, but yeah, it's it's definitely it's palpable,
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Speaker 4: like everyone is over it officially.
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Speaker 1: Mark, could you see just watching the games on television
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Speaker 1: a different kind of tone out there in the stadium.
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Speaker 6: Hard to tell on ab TV and Peacock.
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Speaker 7: I think they do what they can to keep the
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Speaker 7: focus on the field. It wasn't all that apparent, although
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Speaker 7: if you were to check x at all, you would
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Speaker 7: have seen quite a different story. It seems like it
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Speaker 7: didn't necessarily start in the beginning of the game, mid
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Speaker 7: game usually, or.
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Speaker 6: If that were there. Okay, so it's a thing.
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Speaker 7: You guys are better qualified to answer if it's going
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Speaker 7: to be sustained. If there were enough people out there
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Speaker 7: in front to really make a difference. It looked like
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Speaker 7: they were at least one hundred, maybe more, and people
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Speaker 7: are noticing nationwide.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I'll revert back to a comment we had on our
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Speaker 1: last show from one of the fans in terms of
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Speaker 1: whether this will have some staying powers. Scott Freeman's comment,
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Speaker 1: and he said it will be effective if that's capitalized,
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Speaker 1: if it stays consistent a few games or weeks. If
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Speaker 1: it blows over, then it's useless. If it's a nightly
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Speaker 1: thing for the whole season, he'll collapse while being already Marino. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: to me, it's interesting. You know, the team has just
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Speaker 1: left for road trip to Detroit and Tampa Bay, so
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Speaker 1: things are gonna cool off a little bit to me
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Speaker 1: when they come back in that first couple of games
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Speaker 1: of the homestand and I think some of it might
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Speaker 1: hinge on this this old tarp's off thing. If that
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Speaker 1: thing continues, you know, you got that toxic combination of
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Speaker 1: you know, men without their shirts on. Perhaps some of
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Speaker 1: them have had an adult beverager three And it's the
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Speaker 1: middle of the game, and hey, meet me in section
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Speaker 1: five oh five, or meet us in this section. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna go create and man, just seeing some of the
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Speaker 1: vitriol directed toward Marino and some of these social media posts,
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Speaker 1: and these are a lot of fans. They're a big
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Speaker 1: group out there, so it's gonna be pretty interesting to
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Speaker 1: sort of follow that. Breezy was at the protest, as
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Speaker 1: was Sam, and we're gonna take a quick look at
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Speaker 1: the videos she put together for us, our Halo Territory correspondent.
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Speaker 2: So let's take a look.
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Speaker 8: They think we only care about cheating affordability, but no,
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Speaker 8: just listen to these bands. They want to win. They're
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Speaker 8: tired of losing. They're tired of the same answers every week, like, oh,
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Speaker 8: you know, we're gonna keep brinding and doing the hard work,
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Speaker 8: but it's not working. Yeah, I think this is a
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Speaker 8: good way to get to them. I know some people
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Speaker 8: are like, why are you buying tickets to guitar art.
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Speaker 8: But I think this is start.
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Speaker 4: What about Artie Marino makes you come out here on
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Speaker 4: a Saturday at five pm and sell the team? And
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Speaker 4: we'reing a T shirt that already sucks, by the way.
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Speaker 9: Yes, because his ownership and dedication to the team is nothing.
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Speaker 3: He's greedy, he's.
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Speaker 9: Worried about money, money only for him. He doesn't care
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Speaker 9: about us, and we demand, after all these years, for
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Speaker 9: him to put money into the team, into the stadium,
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Speaker 9: into the fans, and give us a winning team. We're
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Speaker 9: tired of losing. He's made bad decisions. The farm team
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Speaker 9: below terrible league is horrible. Yeah, okay, we've had trades
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Speaker 9: that were horrible.
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Speaker 3: We've gotten rid of people.
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Speaker 9: We cut Mickey Moniac, who's having an All star season
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Speaker 9: in Colorado this year. Tim Anderson got Marsh but we
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Speaker 9: did get a hop before that.
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Speaker 3: But our players are regressing.
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Speaker 9: O Hopi's regressing, and Netto's regressing, Shanowell's regressing. It starts
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Speaker 9: at the top coaching Suzuki. My respects, but he has
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Speaker 9: no business being a manager.
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Speaker 4: He's their friends, he's their friend.
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Speaker 10: He's cheap. He is cheap, and.
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Speaker 4: We know that we want already to leave. We now
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Speaker 4: have seen what happened with the Ducks. Can you give
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Speaker 4: us a little bit of insight on how that changed
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Speaker 4: the dynamic of the city.
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Speaker 11: We're already as baseball fans, super frustrated what's happening here
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Speaker 11: because of how well they're doing there so to build
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Speaker 11: a winning franchise, and he chose him not to. That'll
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Speaker 11: tell you exactly where he stands. He should have learned
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Speaker 11: from what's going on with the Ducks. Ian Look what's
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Speaker 11: going on across the street, and what exactly is I mean,
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Speaker 11: all the shots winning, a winning culture.
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Speaker 4: They finally made it to the playoffs off.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's all written right there.
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Speaker 11: You can see what's going on. And if you don't,
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Speaker 11: take a page out of their book, but you're just
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Speaker 11: either an idiot or you don't care.
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Speaker 4: Right, Why do you think the protests are happening now?
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Speaker 3: I think it's a combination of factors. You just mentioned
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Speaker 3: the Ducks. I think that kind of will people up
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Speaker 3: to this idea that you know, there's there's no such
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Speaker 3: thing as a fan base that doesn't care about winning. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and you saw it with the Ducks. I mean that
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Speaker 3: was that was as excited as I think these same
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Speaker 3: fans kind of ever have been in the last you know, decade. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But also, I mean there's no illusion of a competitive
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Speaker 3: team here at this point. I think that's that's a
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Speaker 3: big part of this. That there have been comments made
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Speaker 3: by the GM saying that they're best Baseball's ahead of them.
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Speaker 3: Comment's been Bardi Moreno saying that they don't prioritize winning.
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Speaker 3: I think that that's a direct insult to a lot
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Speaker 3: of people here that they've taken personally. And this team
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Speaker 3: right now is just not a you know, they're the
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Speaker 3: worst human baseball. You know, it's not It's not a
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Speaker 3: shot at the players. I know those players, a lot
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Speaker 3: of them care about winning, a lot of them desperately
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Speaker 3: want to please the people here. It's it's ultimately just
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Speaker 3: not a good enough ball club that's been constructed here.
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Speaker 3: And I think so often every year with the Angels,
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Speaker 3: they put together enough of a team to give you
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Speaker 3: a little bit of hope when the season starts, to
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Speaker 3: make you think, well, if this happens, if that happens,
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Speaker 3: if you know, all these things all into place, maybe
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Speaker 3: they'll be good enough. Yeah, but that just isn't happening
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Speaker 3: this year, the roster is just not it's just not
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Speaker 3: good enough. Like it's just not a good enough team.
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Speaker 3: There's never a shortage of like premium talent with the Angels,
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Speaker 3: which I think is what makes it all the more frustrating.
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Speaker 3: If you had a competent leadership here, like having Jose
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Speaker 3: Sireano would mean something, having Mike trapt With meet something,
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Speaker 3: having Zach Netta would really mean something. But they there's
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Speaker 3: just not enough around them.
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Speaker 2: And.
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Speaker 3: Ultimately, like the individual awards, the Joe Adell robbing three
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Speaker 3: home runs in a game, like it's it's exciting, but
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Speaker 3: it's it's it's empty, And I think that's what gets
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Speaker 3: people frustrated, right, Like you want those things to mean something.
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Speaker 3: It shouldn't be Jose Soireano starting today and that's like
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Speaker 3: maybe we'll get the one win this week, you know
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Speaker 3: what I mean.
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Speaker 4: But that's now, it literally is.
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Speaker 1: Well done, Breezy.
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Speaker 1: And welcome back to Halo territory with Mark Trumbo, Sam
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Speaker 1: Blum and Breezin Knowing Breezy deep a sense that after
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Speaker 1: ten st losing seasons and the constant gas lighting from
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Speaker 1: the general manager, that fans have reached a breaking point.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely think that fans have reached that breaking point.
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Speaker 4: I also think that it has a lot to do
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Speaker 4: with the Dodgers as well, Like they're right up the
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Speaker 4: street for us, and we're sick and tired of seeing them,
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Speaker 4: you know, have the best farm system, winning championship after championship,
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Speaker 4: and they're fans. I don't know about everyone else, but
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Speaker 4: like their fans are shoving it in my face and
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Speaker 4: I'm sick and tired of that.
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Speaker 1: Most importantly, Sam, you were out at the protests, You
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Speaker 1: saw what transpired out at the stadium this week. What
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Speaker 1: were some of your impressions and did you you know,
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Speaker 1: is this something different considering what's what's happened over the
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Speaker 1: last decade and what's happening now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I think it is. It's
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Speaker 3: like I said earlier, I just think this is not
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Speaker 3: the same group of people what's the same group. Well,
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's the same mindset necessarily, as it's just,
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Speaker 3: like I said, there's no illusion that this is going
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Speaker 3: to like end up in a playoff berth and World
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Speaker 3: Series championship. And you know, every year this team enters
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Speaker 3: the season with that hope, I think, and that's always
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Speaker 3: kind of been the grift. That's the grift for the Angels,
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Speaker 3: that that that they will figure it out this year, right,
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Speaker 3: And now it's just like, okay, so what's the plan here?
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Speaker 3: I think it's like so blatantly clear that there's no plan.
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Speaker 3: And I think you also have to give Angels fans
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Speaker 3: credit for understanding that. You know, I mean, this is
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Speaker 3: this is a fan base that has gotten lied to
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Speaker 3: and gotten gas that year after year for year, and
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Speaker 3: I think you know, you can only really believe that
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Speaker 3: for so long, and it starts to it's just the
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Speaker 3: trust is eroded, and you know, they can they can
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Speaker 3: ignore it on the broadcast, as you know Mark mentioned,
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Speaker 3: and they can try and pretend that this isn't like
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Speaker 3: what it is, which is a huge story and a
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Speaker 3: huge issue. And I don't know if it will ever
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Speaker 3: impact Artie Moreno or if it'll even care or notice
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Speaker 3: or whatever. But I think it matters whether or not
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Speaker 3: it leads to a change. I think it matters. You know,
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Speaker 3: this isn't like in Oakland. I mean, there were these
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Speaker 3: massive demonstrations and they were losing their team, and the
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Speaker 3: Angels aren't losing their team. I don't think there's a
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Speaker 3: risk of that. I just think it's you know, it's
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Speaker 3: like they're losing hope and you feel it in a
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Speaker 3: way that maybe you haven't in the past.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely that was gonna be my next question.
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Speaker 1: You know, how it will has impact Arti Marino. Now,
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Speaker 1: this story has definitely garnered some attention, certainly locally. The
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Speaker 1: New California Post did a story on it, and even
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Speaker 1: my alma mater, the Old Los Angeles Times, which seems
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Speaker 1: to go out of their way to ignore the Angels,
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Speaker 1: sent a freelancer out to do a front page story
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Speaker 1: headline an appeal for better Angels fed up with years
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Speaker 1: of losing fans to mean that Arnie Marinos sell the team.
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Speaker 1: Will will there be any impact? I heard Artie was
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Speaker 1: there Friday, and I know he doesn't come to as
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Speaker 1: many games for anyone on this panel. How will this
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Speaker 1: have any impact on Artie Marino?
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I mean, this guy don't
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Speaker 3: think you really. I think if he really cared about
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Speaker 3: what fans thought, we wouldn't be in this position like
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Speaker 3: this is not where we wouldn't be talking about this.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 3: I think that there's a level of insulation that he
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Speaker 3: is subjected to that he doesn't. You know, if he's
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Speaker 3: watching his team own broadcast and he's listening to on
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Speaker 3: this teamwe Ria radio station, I mean, you know you're
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Speaker 3: not gonna like hear some of this stuff, and you
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Speaker 3: know it's not to say anything about the broadcasters. I
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Speaker 3: think that if you know, I just think that's kind
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Speaker 3: of like the dynamic you know, with any team on broadcast.
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Speaker 3: You know, there's there's gonna be things that are discussing,
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Speaker 3: there's gonna be things that aren't and if you're insulated
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Speaker 3: from it, which I think he is to some extent,
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Speaker 3: I mean, he goes to games in spring training and
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Speaker 3: all the fans down there are saying, mister Marino, it's
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Speaker 3: so good to see you, and it's like, you know,
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's how people treat billionaires. And so I
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Speaker 3: think ultimately, like now, this is in his face a
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Speaker 3: little bit, you know. So I don't think it will
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Speaker 3: change anything, but I think there's maybe a little bit
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Speaker 3: of a wake up call. I don't think he thought
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Speaker 3: like John Carpino is gonna have you know, his life
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Speaker 3: boot at the you know, I mean this, this guy
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Speaker 3: was booming mercilessly out opening day, and there's there's that
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Speaker 3: that camera shot of already kind of looking shocked as
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Speaker 3: it was happening. And I don't think he fully understands
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Speaker 3: the anger right now, and maybe that is coming out
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Speaker 3: a little bit like there's maybe some understanding that he
17:31
Speaker 3: wasn't really subjected to. I always remember that comment he
17:34
Speaker 3: said where it's a silent or you know, silent majority
17:37
Speaker 3: of whatever it was, you know, a majority of people
17:39
Speaker 3: that support him, and and this is like that's obviously
17:42
Speaker 3: not the case, right Like, there is a majority of
17:44
Speaker 3: Angels fans to test this guy, and and you know,
17:47
Speaker 3: maybe he's aware of that now, maybe not. I don't know.
17:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, Sam, I don't think it
17:51
Speaker 1: will necessarily change anything, but I do think it will
17:55
Speaker 1: impact him. I think it puts a pretty good thing
17:58
Speaker 1: in his ego. You know, for those of us who
18:00
Speaker 1: are around. Mark was younger, but you know the beginning
18:03
Speaker 1: of the already Morino regime. I mean, the first thing
18:06
Speaker 1: he does is coming here and lower beer prizes. For
18:08
Speaker 1: the first five or six years of his ownership, they
18:12
Speaker 1: won five division titles. They are on top of the world.
18:15
Speaker 1: Attendants was booming. Laraty would walk the concourse literally every night,
18:19
Speaker 1: just so fans could kind of kiss the ring, you know, Oh,
18:22
Speaker 1: thank you, miss Marino.
18:23
Speaker 2: Thanks for lower and beer prizes. All everything's great.
18:26
Speaker 1: And he did that for years and I honestly cannot remember,
18:30
Speaker 1: you know, the last time he's even gone near the concourse,
18:33
Speaker 1: let alone walked it among fans. I don't know, Breezy,
18:37
Speaker 1: you go to the games more as a fan than
18:39
Speaker 1: any of us. Have you seen Arti Marino walking the concourse, meeting,
18:43
Speaker 1: talking to fans, getting any.
18:45
Speaker 2: Kind of input.
18:47
Speaker 4: I have seen him. He'll be on the field and
18:51
Speaker 4: then he'll go up the stairs through the Diamond Club
18:54
Speaker 4: and I've seen people go like run to him to
18:59
Speaker 4: you know, get a picture or whatever. That's maybe happened
19:02
Speaker 4: twice in the last year. I didn't know he was
19:06
Speaker 4: there on Friday. That was the only game I didn't
19:08
Speaker 4: go to so I'm bumms. I didn't see that, but
19:12
Speaker 4: I did hear that everyone that was watching the games
19:16
Speaker 4: on TV. They could hear the chance up until Sunday's game.
19:20
Speaker 4: So I don't know if they cut the volume of
19:23
Speaker 4: the stands, but now the chants are not heart on TV.
19:26
Speaker 1: So I know one thing they're doing is they're making
19:29
Speaker 1: a point of playing any loud in game entertainment they
19:33
Speaker 1: can throughout the game at all points. You know, usually
19:36
Speaker 1: they wait till guys are on first and second and
19:38
Speaker 1: there's a rally to flash that make noise sign on
19:41
Speaker 1: the video board. They were doing that between innings last night,
19:44
Speaker 1: so that was a little odd. Mark Trumball, you played
19:47
Speaker 1: for an Ardi Marino owned team, you were an employee.
19:50
Speaker 2: Maybe you know him, you know a little better than
19:53
Speaker 2: us lately. Any thoughts on whether this has any impact
19:57
Speaker 2: on the owner.
20:00
Speaker 7: We don't have a personal relationship. Oh okay, So we've
20:03
Speaker 7: had one conversation and it was not while I was playing,
20:08
Speaker 7: And I doubt he cares all that much about this.
20:11
Speaker 9: Uh.
20:12
Speaker 7: But again, it's it's like pretty much everything. You don't
20:16
Speaker 7: know where anyone stands on anything.
20:19
Speaker 6: Uh at any time.
20:22
Speaker 7: There's just a refusal to really be remotely transparent general manager,
20:28
Speaker 7: especially any and even Kurt.
20:32
Speaker 6: Overly positive. And it's kind of what you know, the
20:35
Speaker 6: Angels do.
20:36
Speaker 7: They they sweep on a on a series that we
20:40
Speaker 7: would have been probably you know, far more stinging if
20:43
Speaker 7: they struggled against the team that you know, the Texas
20:47
Speaker 7: Rangers are. Good luck to them that that was not
20:50
Speaker 7: not not a good ball club that came into town.
20:53
Speaker 7: I don't know what they're they're doing. We can talk
20:55
Speaker 7: about some of the baseball stuff, but I know people
20:58
Speaker 7: in the front office, at least one.
21:01
Speaker 6: You know, we'll go unnamed, had made some comments that
21:05
Speaker 6: they're aware of what's going on.
21:07
Speaker 7: I think that they probably are counting on it fizzling
21:10
Speaker 7: out with the best baseball yet to come, you know,
21:13
Speaker 7: the maybe the fans, and also the minor league system
21:18
Speaker 7: is not quite as bleak, at least record wise. As
21:20
Speaker 7: one of the gentlemen pointed out, the farm system rankings
21:24
Speaker 7: are are not great, but I think almost every team
21:27
Speaker 7: is either at five hundred or above. That will probably change.
21:31
Speaker 7: And kudos to last thing. The gentleman who called into
21:34
Speaker 7: Trent Rush with some maybe Sam retweeted that as well,
21:40
Speaker 7: said he's been a fan for a long time. He
21:42
Speaker 7: doesn't like the laughing and the dugout when they're getting
21:44
Speaker 7: their butts kicked. Had a big problem with that, so
21:48
Speaker 7: I think a lot of people may agree with that.
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Speaker 1: And Welcome back to Halo Territory with Mike did Giovanna,
23:12
Speaker 1: Mark Trumbo, Sam Blum and Breezy Noan. Well, we'll get
23:17
Speaker 1: to the weekend series sweep of the Rangers in a sect,
23:20
Speaker 1: But one final question on the protests for the panel.
23:23
Speaker 1: Where do we think this goes from here?
23:25
Speaker 9: Sam?
23:28
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I think part of it will depend
23:30
Speaker 3: on kind of the quality of the play over the
23:32
Speaker 3: you know, I always think it comes down to is
23:36
Speaker 3: there any hope?
23:36
Speaker 13: Right?
23:37
Speaker 3: Can you can you manufacture interest in the club?
23:40
Speaker 2: Right?
23:40
Speaker 3: Like Malburgeran is fun read Dettmer is pitching what he did?
23:44
Speaker 3: I mean like there's there could be you know, if
23:46
Speaker 3: they're like staying afloat a little bit, then maybe if
23:49
Speaker 3: this thing totally just collapses in on itself as it
23:52
Speaker 3: looked like it was before this weekend, then I think
23:55
Speaker 3: you might see more of that, and you might see
23:57
Speaker 3: like like when they come back and they have a
23:59
Speaker 3: week nights, here is against the Rockies like that is
24:01
Speaker 3: a perfect formula for more of this to happen. Uh,
24:04
Speaker 3: small crowds, lots of empty sections. That's that is That
24:09
Speaker 3: is the the kind of the mixture that I think
24:11
Speaker 3: creates this. But you know, I mean I think, do
24:16
Speaker 3: I think its continues? Maybe I don't know. I really don't.
24:19
Speaker 3: But I don't think the anger is gonna go away.
24:21
Speaker 2: I don't think that.
24:22
Speaker 3: I don't think fans are suddenly going to become passive
24:25
Speaker 3: about this again. So whether or not it's a nightly thing,
24:28
Speaker 3: I think you know, you're gonna you're gonna feel a
24:30
Speaker 3: fan base that is is either just checked out or angry,
24:34
Speaker 3: and that you know, as Breezey said, she's having trouble
24:36
Speaker 3: selling the season tickets, I think that is very reflective
24:39
Speaker 3: of where things are. I mean, the only way they
24:41
Speaker 3: were able to do this on Saturdays because it was
24:44
Speaker 3: it was not crowded on Saturday night, which I never
24:47
Speaker 3: see here. It was an eme we're close to crowded,
24:50
Speaker 3: people aren't really coming out as much, and I think
24:52
Speaker 3: that is maybe how you start to see some of
24:54
Speaker 3: this manifest itself. I the second Artie's comments happened over
24:57
Speaker 3: the offseason about the priorities. I felt like you're about
25:00
Speaker 3: to see a huge dip in attendance. People are pissed,
25:02
Speaker 3: that is an insult to the fans, and you're seeing
25:04
Speaker 3: a play out breezy.
25:06
Speaker 1: You think, do you think fans have the organizational skills
25:10
Speaker 1: to sort of keep this momentum going?
25:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that. I think there's one specific person
25:17
Speaker 4: who is organizing everything for the tarpsoff movement at the
25:21
Speaker 4: Angels Stadium. I hope that he keeps doing it, more
25:26
Speaker 4: so because it brings this really exciting energy into the
25:31
Speaker 4: ballpark that we have been lacking for seven years. Like
25:35
Speaker 4: the fact that there's actually chance going on now. They're
25:38
Speaker 4: doing role calls to the players, the players are getting
25:41
Speaker 4: into it. Like I've been waiting for that energy for
25:44
Speaker 4: a long time, and like, I don't think it's a
25:46
Speaker 4: coincidence that we were able to sweep the Rangers this
25:51
Speaker 4: past weekend for that exact reason. Like, yes, I do
25:55
Speaker 4: think that we're going to keep losing games, but I
25:57
Speaker 4: just love the fact that we're getting some energy into
25:59
Speaker 4: the stadium. Again, I do think that the cursing doesn't
26:04
Speaker 4: necessarily help, But yeah, I think I think that people
26:09
Speaker 4: are angry enough for it to keep going, and the
26:13
Speaker 4: fact that it's exciting, it's making the players play a
26:17
Speaker 4: little bit more.
26:20
Speaker 3: To the energy.
26:21
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I.
26:23
Speaker 2: Thought the roll call was pretty funny.
26:25
Speaker 1: You might want to if you're talking then of these fans,
26:28
Speaker 1: Breezy remind him that the role call is generally done
26:31
Speaker 1: in the first inning, not the middle of the seventh inning.
26:33
Speaker 1: When the Angels are bad, they need a little a
26:36
Speaker 1: little more work on the role call for sure. All right,
26:40
Speaker 1: let's uh, we don't want to be all doom and
26:42
Speaker 1: gloom here, as we have said many times, so let's
26:45
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about this Angels sweep of the Rangers. Yes,
26:51
Speaker 1: it came against the diminished Rangers club that's missing Corey
26:53
Speaker 1: Seeger Wyatt Langford and Josh Smith. But the Angels also
26:57
Speaker 1: beat three pretty good pictures in Jacob de Nathan Eovaldi
27:01
Speaker 1: and Mackenzie Gore. They hit four homers and Friday Nights game,
27:05
Speaker 1: including one by our.
27:08
Speaker 2: New hero Wade Meckler and Meckler.
27:13
Speaker 1: Meckler Anaheim product. And they got some superb pitching from
27:16
Speaker 1: Walbert Urania Saturday Night and Reed Detmer Sunday deptmvers in
27:20
Speaker 1: his previous game gave up I think it was eight
27:23
Speaker 1: runs and eight hits in five and two thirds innings,
27:26
Speaker 1: and Sunday night he was just dominant.
27:29
Speaker 2: He allowed one run, one.
27:31
Speaker 1: Hit, retired twenty four of twenty five batters and eight innings,
27:35
Speaker 1: and a career high fourteen strikeouts.
27:38
Speaker 2: And we caught up with Reid after the game, and
27:41
Speaker 2: this is what he told us. Obviously, that was pretty
27:47
Speaker 2: close to perfect. What did you feel was like working best?
27:51
Speaker 13: Yeah, fastball command was really good. I was able to
27:55
Speaker 13: get the fastball down so that the knees which helped
27:57
Speaker 13: a lot, which made my slader even better to change up.
28:00
Speaker 6: Later in that game.
28:01
Speaker 13: Uh yeah, just overall commanding of the zone is huge.
28:07
Speaker 13: I think the main thing is just getting the past
28:09
Speaker 13: wall down and down at the bottom to make it
28:12
Speaker 13: look like a slider. Uh, a slider's playing, but just
28:16
Speaker 13: then bounce back the last one of eight runs back.
28:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
28:23
Speaker 13: This game is very hard, like games like that can happen,
28:28
Speaker 13: and uh, you just gotta move forward. Like I said
28:30
Speaker 13: last week after the game, you just gotta look forward
28:32
Speaker 13: to the next start and put.
28:33
Speaker 6: It in the past.
28:34
Speaker 13: And h I did a pretty good job with that.
28:37
Speaker 13: This week, just saying with the process, getting good work
28:40
Speaker 13: done in the bullpen, in my bullpen in between starting
28:44
Speaker 13: their outings, and then kind of sticking with the plan,
28:48
Speaker 13: and uh yeah, that's pretty much it.
28:51
Speaker 2: To be honest a game, then you're no here?
28:55
Speaker 4: Did you pick?
28:55
Speaker 6: Is this a better pitcher game than you're no here?
29:01
Speaker 6: I'm a no hitters no hitter.
29:04
Speaker 13: I would say stuff wise, this is probably the best game,
29:09
Speaker 13: but nothing's gonna be the no hitter.
29:11
Speaker 2: You threw a career.
29:13
Speaker 1: I actually think this is a better pitch game than
29:15
Speaker 1: the no hitter. You know, he only struck out two
29:18
Speaker 1: batters and walk one in the no hitter, and he
29:21
Speaker 1: threw I think it was one hundred and eight pitches.
29:24
Speaker 1: He struck out fourteen on Sunday and needed only ninety
29:28
Speaker 1: six pitches to do it in eight innings. Mark, You've
29:32
Speaker 1: talked a lot about debt Meers needing to be in
29:34
Speaker 1: a tack mode from the get go. Was this about
29:37
Speaker 1: as good of an example as you've seen of him?
29:42
Speaker 6: Yes, it was.
29:45
Speaker 7: I think that there were a few things going on.
29:48
Speaker 7: Reid was pitching more like he did out of the
29:51
Speaker 7: bullpen last year, getting ahead of guys and putting them
29:54
Speaker 7: away the Rangers, especially for those metal Indians. When the
29:59
Speaker 7: Shadows were heavily impacted, they were up there swatting butterflies.
30:02
Speaker 7: It didn't look like they had a clue what to do.
30:06
Speaker 7: Feeble swings for the majority of them, and he did
30:10
Speaker 7: a really nice job. He had three pitches. Three of
30:13
Speaker 7: his pitches greaded well above average. His fastball, his slider
30:18
Speaker 7: was was the best I've seen probably ever, and he
30:21
Speaker 7: also had his curve ball going. All three were able
30:24
Speaker 7: to be thrown for strikes. The Rangers really never got
30:28
Speaker 7: anything going. Mackenzie Gore, also on the other side, did
30:31
Speaker 7: not pitch a bad ball game. This This game was
30:34
Speaker 7: not filled with much offense. If you watched all nine innings,
30:38
Speaker 7: it was. It was tough up there, and like I
30:42
Speaker 7: was kind of alluding to the Rangers just kind of
30:45
Speaker 7: a sloppy club. Taylor made double play opportunity.
30:51
Speaker 6: You know, they bought it to.
30:53
Speaker 3: End the game.
30:55
Speaker 6: You know, we can get back to read it. But
30:57
Speaker 6: I kind of wonder, what, what what's going on? They
30:59
Speaker 6: come to town.
30:59
Speaker 7: You know de grom Is is de grom I mean, excellent,
31:03
Speaker 7: but when he pitches against the Angels, he seems gwilt
31:06
Speaker 7: e ra a career is north of six And I
31:09
Speaker 7: don't know if what scouting report he's going off of,
31:11
Speaker 7: but first pitch of the game, uh, I don't. I
31:17
Speaker 7: guess he just wanted to see what happens. But he
31:19
Speaker 7: found out that if you throw a first pitch fastball
31:22
Speaker 7: to Zach Nettle, he's gonna I mean, I don't know,
31:24
Speaker 7: he's already done it against him before too, And it
31:27
Speaker 7: is and and Eovaldi as well, was was he didn't seem.
31:31
Speaker 6: He got away with a little bit more. But I
31:34
Speaker 6: don't know. The Rangers must just march into their own
31:36
Speaker 6: the beat of their own drum. Not sure.
31:39
Speaker 1: He definitely put his finger a little too close to
31:42
Speaker 1: the stove on that. We were saying that in the
31:43
Speaker 1: press box, Like, what was he thinking, Sam? Do you
31:46
Speaker 1: think this was a better game than read snow hitter?
31:50
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good question.
31:51
Speaker 3: I mean, I think when you reminded me that they
31:53
Speaker 3: only had two strike ats that game, I mean maybe, yes.
31:56
Speaker 3: I don't think this Rangers lineup was too I mean
31:58
Speaker 3: that like they're missing like half their lineup. I mean, ultimately,
32:01
Speaker 3: that is a that is a tough lineup to hit it,
32:04
Speaker 3: to find hits and that being said, I mean, no
32:07
Speaker 3: one was even like touching the ball, and he was
32:09
Speaker 3: getting two on everybody, and it was it was just
32:11
Speaker 3: pure dominance. I really thought he should have gone out
32:14
Speaker 3: for the ninth. I mean, I understand he's in ninety
32:16
Speaker 3: six pitches, but there he was. It was easy eight innings.
32:19
Speaker 2: Right there for him.
32:20
Speaker 3: And Bachmann came in and it was you know, they
32:22
Speaker 3: had all these like they have a bunch of lefties
32:24
Speaker 3: on their bench, the Rangers, so it was you know,
32:25
Speaker 3: you're putting you you're putting the game in risk right there.
32:28
Speaker 3: You know, I think they should be then cool that
32:29
Speaker 3: Jay Berger came up with the bases loaded, that doesn't
32:31
Speaker 3: seem to be a good spot for him. And uh,
32:35
Speaker 3: it was what it was. But I mean, yeah, I
32:36
Speaker 3: think that may have been the best pitch game I've
32:39
Speaker 3: like seen from an Angel's pitcher, like in the six
32:42
Speaker 3: years I've been around. I mean, it was just pure dominant.
32:44
Speaker 2: Yeah.
32:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think outside of Burger's home run, I
32:47
Speaker 1: don't think they hit a ball hard. And Mark, we've
32:51
Speaker 1: talked a little bit before the show. You think the
32:52
Speaker 1: Shadows had a little something to do with the dominance
32:55
Speaker 1: on the mound last night.
32:58
Speaker 7: I can personally attest it's if you especially if you
33:01
Speaker 7: can spin the ball, that's a big thing.
33:03
Speaker 6: If it's a fastball, first pitcher, a guy that like.
33:07
Speaker 7: Seventy percent, which is very rare these days, those are
33:11
Speaker 7: the guys that you have a better chance against. If
33:13
Speaker 7: you're throwing anything with a wrinkle or it's you know,
33:15
Speaker 7: moving appears to be a strike, guys will just And
33:20
Speaker 7: that's as a hitter, you have to assume it's a fastball,
33:23
Speaker 7: that it's It wasn't a small advantage, it was.
33:26
Speaker 6: It was a sizeable one. It's not taking away because Read.
33:29
Speaker 6: You know, I hate saying.
33:32
Speaker 7: I mean that if this was a normal condition game,
33:36
Speaker 7: I'd say, by far the best start that I've seen
33:38
Speaker 7: in a very long time out of any pitcher. But
33:41
Speaker 7: you know, a little bit of an asterisk with the
33:43
Speaker 7: odd start time peacock game.
33:46
Speaker 6: But credit to him. I hope he keeps it rolling.
33:48
Speaker 7: Different battery, uh, you know him and different casher behind
33:52
Speaker 7: the plate, I'm sure if that that, And you know,
33:55
Speaker 7: as far as his postgame comments, I'd like to see.
33:58
Speaker 6: A little bit more out of Read in that regard.
34:00
Speaker 7: I think he's got a little more in the tank
34:01
Speaker 7: as far as, uh, maybe opening up a tad some
34:05
Speaker 7: of those cliches I hear quite often, but I think
34:08
Speaker 7: he's got a little more personality on there.
34:09
Speaker 6: So you're watching the show, read.
34:14
Speaker 3: Red is like, if you talk to read after a start,
34:16
Speaker 3: he's just usually like that. But if you get him
34:18
Speaker 3: like any other day of the week, he's just he's
34:20
Speaker 3: way more chill and he's like, you know. But one
34:22
Speaker 3: of those things about Read is before games, he'll I
34:24
Speaker 3: kind of lock in, just sit on the couch alone.
34:25
Speaker 3: He's one of these I think he's very stoic and
34:28
Speaker 3: you know, one of those guys you just can't really
34:30
Speaker 3: talk to on a game day. But uh, I mean,
34:32
Speaker 3: you know, he's got some He does have some personality,
34:35
Speaker 3: I think.
34:36
Speaker 2: Does he hides it well as many do.
34:39
Speaker 1: Hey, we'll close the show with this question for the panel.
34:43
Speaker 1: Angels open a road trip with three games at Detroit
34:46
Speaker 1: and then they go to a very very good and
34:49
Speaker 1: some somewhat surprising Tampa Bay team next weekend. Detroit, of course,
34:54
Speaker 1: is struggling, maybe more than the Angels right now. Couldn't
34:57
Speaker 1: this be at least a little stretch of the season
34:59
Speaker 1: where the Angels turn things around a bit here.
35:01
Speaker 3: Sam, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna look at this
35:06
Speaker 3: team and predict that, to be honest with you, if
35:08
Speaker 3: it happens, you know great. I mean the division is
35:11
Speaker 3: so bad that if they win the next like three
35:13
Speaker 3: games or like back in it. But I just you know,
35:16
Speaker 3: I've been fooled before, so I'm not going to get
35:17
Speaker 3: fooled again.
35:19
Speaker 2: Good whose song by the way, Uh Breezy, what do
35:22
Speaker 2: you think?
35:24
Speaker 12: Yeah?
35:24
Speaker 4: I'm right there with Sam. It's it's hard to have
35:27
Speaker 4: any sort of hope. I think if they do end
35:30
Speaker 4: up winning, great, but it really doesn't mean much.
35:34
Speaker 6: Mark, are we back?
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Speaker 2: Baby? What do you got?
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Speaker 5: Oh?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely definitely are.
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Speaker 7: I mean, just briefly, Uh schoobl Berlander, Riesols and Jackson Job,
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Speaker 7: Troy Melton Hobby are Bias labor.
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Speaker 6: To as Kerry Carpenter.
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Speaker 7: Those are all the studs for the Tigers that are
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Speaker 7: on the shelf, So they're going to be going in
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Speaker 7: fishing a team that is and Kenley Jansen's uh he
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Speaker 7: blew is fourth saved. Yesterday's got a five point zero
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Speaker 7: two e ra A. The actual numbers beyond that are
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Speaker 7: not that bad, So I don't really know what's going
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Speaker 7: on there, but the Tigers are spiraling downward, and we'll
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Speaker 7: see it's probably a good matchup. Now Tampa Bay is
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Speaker 7: a much much better club, and there we'll see that
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Speaker 7: a better test will be Tampa Bay. The Tigers, I'm
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Speaker 7: not sure they have some decent starting pitching going, but
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Speaker 7: beyond that, their offense is really scuffling.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they could very easily win two out
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Speaker 1: of three in Detroit. But Earth is calling and I'm
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Speaker 1: sure they're going to return pretty soon, probably starting next weekend.
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Speaker 1: I will close the show with that. Thanks for watching
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