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Best of Ian Furness 10/14 · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: It's time for Ian's weekly visit with John Lund, Unleashed,
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  Speaker 1: the Bay Area rock star who Ian's been kicking around
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  Speaker 1: for a couple of decades. They'll be talking NFC West,
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  Speaker 1: the Niners, and the Hawks. Sponsored by Chambers Bay Distillery. Landcrafted, ocean-aged,
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  Speaker 1: Northwest-inspired premium spirits.
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  Speaker 2: Stop by the.
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  Speaker 1: Chambers Bay Distillery tasting room at University Place Town Center
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  Speaker 1: featuring craft cocktails and tasty bites in mixed seating spaces
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  Speaker 1: with bar seats, tables and couches now attempting to keep
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  Speaker 1: the 49ers stocked to a minimum here's John Lund with Ian.
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  Speaker 2: Well it's better late than never he's here uh oh
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  Speaker 2: yeah he's here we weren't gonna we were not listen
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  Speaker 2: we're not ducking we're not hiding we're not.
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  Speaker 3: You were ducking me no hockey over me yesterday right
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  Speaker 3: you chose hockey over.
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  Speaker 2: Me no the boss chose softy and fame to do
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  Speaker 2: a show over me yesterday is what.
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  Speaker 4: Oh is that what happened Yeah. What's his problem? That
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  Speaker 4: show stinks. Just firing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. What was the name of your show in
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  Speaker 2: Salt Lake? Wasn't it like the Shooting Gallery or something
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  Speaker 2: like that?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Shows.
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  Speaker 2: Remember that?
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  Speaker 3: You had a show.
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  Speaker 2: You couldn't have that nowadays. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there was.
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  Speaker 3: I think I one time I think I could say
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  Speaker 3: this on the air one time just for a brief,
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  Speaker 3: short period of time. But it was in Salt Lake City,
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  Speaker 3: so it didn't fly very, very long. We had a
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  Speaker 3: morning show. We called it Morning Wood. And it just
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  Speaker 3: didn't in Salt Lake City. I got a lot of complaints.
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  Speaker 3: We had to change that one.
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  Speaker 2: Was that Locke's idea?
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  Speaker 3: No, no. He would never have that kind of an idea.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that one didn't fly. So, yeah, I've had
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  Speaker 3: so many shows, I can't even remember.
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  Speaker 2: That idiot Jeff Rickert or something like that. All right. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: we're just taking shots at everybody. No, they didn't have
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  Speaker 2: me on yesterday because we had short shows with Kraken Hockey,
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  Speaker 2: and they said, oh, we can't have. We can't have
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  Speaker 2: Softie miss two days of shows this week. He's the guy.
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  Speaker 2: He's a franchise man. That's what he is. What do
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  Speaker 2: you do? But we were not going to let this
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  Speaker 2: week go by and duck and hide after what happened
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday at Lumen Field. John Lund brought to you
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  Speaker 2: by our good friends at Chambers Bay Distillery. Yes, there
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  Speaker 2: is brown water coming your way. Bourbon on the way
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  Speaker 2: from our friends Alan and Jeff at Chambers Bay Distillery.
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  Speaker 2: Tasting room located on Bridgeport. Tuesdays they have trivia night
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  Speaker 2: as well. So you'll enjoy just a smooth, smooth-tasting bourbon
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  Speaker 2: on your way, Chambers Bay bourbon, and you can raise
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  Speaker 2: that and say thank you, Kyle Shanahan. Thank you, Sam Darnold.
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  Speaker 2: Probably more specifically.
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  Speaker 6: Rough.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, George.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't teach him that in San Francisco. He must
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  Speaker 3: be going rogue right now. He's just going rogue.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to get to him in a second. But
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  Speaker 2: how jacked up are 49er fans after that win? Because
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  Speaker 2: looking at the schedule, they may not lose until, well, ever,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe at the earliest, December.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's weird. Here's the one thing about the 49ers.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give Seahawks fans a glimmer of hope. What happens,
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  Speaker 3: it's every year with Kyle. Gets off to a great start, usually.
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  Speaker 3: Has kind of mid-season swoon, and then he's got an
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  Speaker 3: amazing December record. And they usually finish up, and again,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of it depends on injuries, but there's some
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  Speaker 3: weird games coming up. Like Washington on Monday isn't a
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  Speaker 3: big deal, but then like a game at Atlanta for them.
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  Speaker 3: Last time they played at Atlanta, Atlanta just ran it
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  Speaker 3: down their throats. Marcus Mariota, uh, completely like 12, 13
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  Speaker 3: straight passes as a backup. Like they just, and they
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  Speaker 3: lost and he, you always have a head scratcher in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of the season for the four Niners and
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  Speaker 3: they get back on schedule. But, uh, but yeah, to
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  Speaker 3: your original point, look, everybody's feeling good despite all the injuries,
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  Speaker 3: despite Greg Greenlaw being a bonehead and getting baited by
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  Speaker 3: Ernest Jones in that play. It's like, dude, you can't
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  Speaker 3: do that. He's going to miss Monday's game. It's just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you guys saw this on Sunday, uh, Mike
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  Speaker 3: Evans has made all the difference in the world. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I thought he'd be a nice contributor. He's 33.
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  Speaker 3: I thought he was a little bit washed. He's not.
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  Speaker 3: And he's Brock just has a ton of confidence in
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  Speaker 3: him and he's changed their whole offense and he changes
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  Speaker 3: their swagger. He walks into a building and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he saw what he did with digs there and, He's
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  Speaker 3: one of those guys. Seattle has a bunch of those guys,
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of dogs, and you add them to Kittle
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  Speaker 3: and McCaffrey and all these different guys. The weird thing
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  Speaker 3: about the 49ers is they've got a bunch of old
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  Speaker 3: guys on offense. Most of their touchdowns are scored by 30-plus-year-olds,
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  Speaker 3: and much of their defense, I'm sure that Seahawks fans
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  Speaker 3: were like, who's Grayson Halton, the guy that made the
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  Speaker 3: play right before the half? Who's Jalen Duggar? Renardo Green,
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  Speaker 3: last time you saw him, he stunk. They've just, whatever
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  Speaker 3: it is, whether it's Raheem Morris replacing Sala, whatever the
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  Speaker 3: case may be, it's a bunch of old guys on
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  Speaker 3: offense and a bunch of young guys on defense. They
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  Speaker 3: didn't even have Nick Bosa. So they think they're going
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  Speaker 3: to get better. They're probably going to make an aggressive
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  Speaker 3: trade because look, the one thing that Kyle's saying, like
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  Speaker 3: the fans are jumping up and down, but the one
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  Speaker 3: thing Kyle's saying is, whoa, man, you know, you still,
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  Speaker 3: you still got one more against Seattle, still got one
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  Speaker 3: more against the Rams. They've got a tough finish to
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  Speaker 3: the season. So by no means, as excited as they are,
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  Speaker 3: by no means do the 49ers think they have the
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  Speaker 3: NFC West wrapped up because that substation and weird things,
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  Speaker 3: and they could have injuries like Debo's that are going
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  Speaker 3: to be out for a little while. So it just
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  Speaker 3: seems to happen to them every week to give you
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  Speaker 3: just a sliver of hope.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is. It's a sliver right now.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, thankfully, our friends, the Bills, despite their
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  Speaker 2: best efforts to screw that game up, and they tried
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  Speaker 2: to screw that game up Monday. My God, like... Like,
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  Speaker 2: giving Stafford time at the end of the game, like,
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  Speaker 2: at that point, just kick the field goal.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right? Like, you know, and be done with it. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: they just said, you know, no, in regulation, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to score a touchdown and give Matt Stafford and a
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  Speaker 2: timeout a minute and a half left. Like, it just,
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  Speaker 2: and then even at the end when they went for
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  Speaker 2: the field goal, after they had missed, like, I'm still
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  Speaker 2: trying to shake my head, like, Take the clock down.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like a tie is better than a loss, man. It's just– but, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: at least– what are the 49ers now? Are they three
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  Speaker 2: games ahead of the Rams?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right?
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  Speaker 3: Three games in the hook. I mean, they beat them,
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  Speaker 3: and that was a– that's a road game. That was
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  Speaker 3: the Rams– home game. So they're three and a half
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  Speaker 3: over the Rams. They're two and a half over Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: The only thing that's weird about the 49ers, you guys
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  Speaker 3: know this. So Brock in the regular season, of course,
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  Speaker 3: the divisional is totally different. He's five and oh, they've
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  Speaker 3: played well up in Seattle in the regular season, but
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  Speaker 3: there's seven and 10 combined in Kyle's time, Mike McDonald
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  Speaker 3: and Sean McVay on the road, or excuse me, at home.
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  Speaker 3: against the Rams and the Seahawks. So, you know, everyone's
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  Speaker 3: jumping up and down and excited. And we won those
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  Speaker 3: two games on the road against the Rams and the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 3: They play well in LA. They play well in Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: They've actually struggled against the Seahawks and the Rams at home.
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  Speaker 3: So again, that's better news for the, for the Seahawks
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  Speaker 3: and Rams. But the issue to me is, And I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure you guys have been talking about it. The bigger,
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  Speaker 3: biggest issue with the Seahawks is not the 49ers. The
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  Speaker 3: biggest issue with the Seahawks is the Seahawks, their offense
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  Speaker 3: and Darnold continuing to turn it over and not having
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  Speaker 3: a running game and et cetera, et cetera. Defensively, again,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the numbers better than I do. They look
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  Speaker 3: the same to me. I mean, again, you guys know this,
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  Speaker 3: the drives in the first half for the 49ers were 18,
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  Speaker 3: 11 and zero yards, 29 yards, 21 points. and the
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  Speaker 3: four turnovers. And to me, that was the biggest thing
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  Speaker 3: coming into the game is Sam Darnold doesn't look right.
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  Speaker 3: The running game clearly doesn't look right. They've got a
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  Speaker 3: lot of time to fix it, but the, you know,
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  Speaker 3: anyone pointing towards the 49ers is the issue right now,
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  Speaker 3: at least in Seattle. Um, because if you look at
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  Speaker 3: the Ram schedule, the Rams are going to get the
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  Speaker 3: Rams next five or six games, they're going to win.
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  Speaker 3: So they're, they're going to sit, you know, eight and three,
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  Speaker 3: something like that. So the pressure is still on the 49ers,
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  Speaker 3: even though that they're that far back. Um, And the
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks have more internal issues to worry about than they
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  Speaker 3: do the 49ers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just as John was saying, so this
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  Speaker 2: is what's coming up for the 49ers. Commanders, Falcons, Raiders,
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  Speaker 2: the disaster dumpster fire that is the Cowboys. Oh, I know.
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  Speaker 2: The biggest mirage in the NFL called the Minnesota Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Then the Seahawks Thanksgiving weekend, right? I think that's like
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  Speaker 2: the Sunday of Thanksgiving weekend. That's right.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the Giants and the Rams after that. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what's coming up. That's what's coming up
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  Speaker 2: for the 49ers. I mean, that's crazy. You guys are
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  Speaker 2: going to run the table, and then if I look
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  Speaker 2: and see what's going on with the Rams. Here's the
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  Speaker 2: Rams schedule coming up. Yeah, Cardinals, God. Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: my God. Commanders, Cardinals again. Maybe the Packers give them
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  Speaker 2: a hard time. That's a primetime game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe the Chiefs? Ah, man.
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  Speaker 3: See, that's what I mean is at this point, the
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  Speaker 3: Rams have used up their mulligans and they're going to
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  Speaker 3: go on a tear here and win a bunch of games.
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  Speaker 3: I think the 49ers are going to do the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: So with the Seahawks, that Washington game looms really large.
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  Speaker 3: Because if you're just one back, that Washington game looms
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  Speaker 3: really large. But like I said, the 49ers will give
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  Speaker 3: one back at some point. The other thing to note, too,
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  Speaker 3: in this race, and I don't think anybody in the
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  Speaker 3: NFC is a threat. Watching the Bears lose 31-7, the
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  Speaker 3: Packers might be a little bit. But there are so
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  Speaker 3: many Lions can't play any defense. The Vikings don't have
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  Speaker 3: an offense. I got a lot of respect for Brian Flores.
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  Speaker 3: He always gives the Niners trouble. But offensively, they are
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  Speaker 3: really challenged, and Kyler Murray doesn't scare anybody. But I
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  Speaker 3: will guarantee you this. The 49ers feel like they're a
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl contender, a legit. This is the one that
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  Speaker 3: they can win. They're going to be really aggressive at
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  Speaker 3: the trade deadline, like a Khalil Mack. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if it's going to be a receiver because they have
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  Speaker 3: so many receiver and defensive line injuries. But John Lynch
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  Speaker 3: and Kyle Shanahan– They've got a bunch of money under
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  Speaker 3: the cap. They don't want to give up picks, but
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  Speaker 3: they're probably going to. And they're going to be aggressive,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's for a receiver, a defensive lineman. And the
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  Speaker 3: trade deadline is November 10th. They're not going to wait.
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  Speaker 3: And I know that Schneider's aggressive, too. Again, I'm speaking
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  Speaker 3: on something that you're more of an expert than I am.
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  Speaker 3: But doesn't Seattle have to go out and get a
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  Speaker 3: running back?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the question because, like, we don't
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  Speaker 2: know what Price's situation is, right? Like, you know, he's
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  Speaker 2: been a first-round pick on a running back that hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been healthy at all. Like, he's been banged up through minicamp,
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  Speaker 2: banged up in training camp, comes in, you know, what,
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  Speaker 2: first or second carry, I think it was career. He fumbles,
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  Speaker 2: gets hurt, then he's out again. He fumbles again, now
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  Speaker 2: he's out again. I mean, when he has played, he's
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  Speaker 2: looked great. The problem is, you know, he's not available
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  Speaker 2: and hasn't been. And then he fumbles. And then you
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  Speaker 2: saw the fumble issues with Helani. But Helani shouldn't even
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  Speaker 2: be in the game. I mean, he's not even a
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  Speaker 2: good third down blocking back, at least what the numbers say.
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  Speaker 2: So they get Charbonnet back, but Charbonnet's not a lead guy.
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  Speaker 2: He's a two. You know, like he should be to
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  Speaker 2: a good, like to Jadarian Price. Charbonnet should be like
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  Speaker 2: a Brian Robinson Jr. is to Bijan.
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Like that's what he should be. That's what he should be. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, right now we're not getting that at all
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  Speaker 2: here in Seattle. They got nothing.
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  Speaker 4: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Emmanuel Wilson, you know, you might be faster than he is.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know if they go for a running back.
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  Speaker 2: I think, honestly, I think they need a receiver. It's
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  Speaker 2: JSN or bust right now. I mean, it's JSN or bust.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like that's what they need, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: then look at the Rams. What are the Rams need?
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  Speaker 2: Probably nothing. You know, they need miles Garrett back.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They don't need anything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think they're going to, I mean, maybe
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  Speaker 3: they'll make a move depending on injuries and everything else.
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  Speaker 3: But like you said, Once they get healthy, they're going
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  Speaker 3: to be scary. Somebody on the Niner staff, one of
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  Speaker 3: the things that they told me just reminded me of this.
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  Speaker 3: They weren't afraid of the running game for the Seahawks,
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  Speaker 3: not because of who was there.
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  Speaker 2: Who wasn't there.
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  Speaker 3: They just knew that the backs that they had just
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  Speaker 3: weren't fast enough to run outside zone. So if you
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  Speaker 3: go back and you look, they were just looking for power,
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  Speaker 3: anything between the tackles or actually between the guards and
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  Speaker 3: the A-gap and B-gap kind of stuff. They weren't even
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  Speaker 3: afraid of an outside zone run because they knew that
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  Speaker 3: those guys weren't fast enough to run it. So they've
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  Speaker 3: got to get somebody who's a threat because the 49ers
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  Speaker 3: went into that game going, OK, everything's going to be
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  Speaker 3: a gap, B cap type runs. They're not going to
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  Speaker 3: threaten us on the outside if they try to. They've
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  Speaker 3: got no chance. Our linebackers, you know, safeties, whatever, aggressive
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  Speaker 3: too fast. So they they took that totally away. And
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  Speaker 3: that's a problem for Seattle because now and this is
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  Speaker 3: one of the reasons, again, you guys know this, that
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  Speaker 3: Darnold struggling is because. There's no run game, and it's
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  Speaker 3: nothing against Sam. I'm not taking a shot at him.
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  Speaker 3: He's not going to carry your offense. No quarterback is.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you don't have a running game, I
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  Speaker 3: don't care who it is. It's really hard. It's really
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  Speaker 3: hard for the quarterback, and then guys can just tee
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  Speaker 3: off on you, and that's been the issue with their offense.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, the CX got John Lund joining us, courtesy of
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: Chambers Bay Distillery, Bridgeport down there, University Place. Go check
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: out Trivia on Tuesdays, and, of course, look for it.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: Total Wine & More, and swing on by the Tasting Room.
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: Absolutely great craft cocktails, especially as we get closer to
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: the holiday season. award-winning all the way around. Great stuff.
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  Speaker 2: John's going to get some here soon, and he'll give
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  Speaker 2: us his opinion, his thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: I can't wait.
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  Speaker 6: I know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to make an old-fashioned with the giant ice
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  Speaker 3: cube in it, and cheers to the 49ers winning.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: 5-0. Did I mention they were 5-0?
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  Speaker 2: No. Cheers to George Helani. Cheers to George Helani. My God.
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  Speaker 3: George Helani.
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  Speaker 2: George Helani. Oh, my goodness.
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  Speaker 3: That was just brutal, man.
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  Speaker 2: You know the worst thing?
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  Speaker 3: What else?
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  Speaker 2: McDonald brings this up the other day. He's like, well,
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: you know, we're about the same turnover rate last year
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  Speaker 2: through five games as we are this year. And so
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  Speaker 2: I looked it up, and he's right. It's nine and eight.
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  Speaker 2: That's the difference. It's nine and eight are the numbers
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  Speaker 2: of the last two years. The funny thing is, last year,
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  Speaker 2: the turnovers were Darnold, JSN, and somebody else, and a
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: defensive player after a turnover that they got, and then
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: they dropped it, and then Holani. And now this year,
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: the turnovers are, in terms of fumbles, the fumbles, just
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: talking fumbles, are Helani, Emmanuel Wilson, and Jadarian Price have
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  Speaker 2: combined for all the fumbles. So not only are you slow,
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  Speaker 2: you can't hold on to the football. That's just awful.
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  Speaker 2: So the 49ers trade deadline, is it a receiver? Because
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: the one thing I do think is a little bit
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: similar with the two teams, and actually all three teams,
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: although it's weird because the Rams have Devontae and they'll
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: throw to him in the red zone, but it's like
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: It's like Puka gets 23 targets. JSN gets double-digit targets.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: Mike Evans, double-digit targets. I think all three teams could
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: probably use another receiver, although I say that I don't
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: think it matters because Stafford only looks to Puka, so
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: they don't probably need that. But I think Evans and
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: JSN are similar in the sense that both quarterbacks only
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: look to those guys. Kittle does come into play, and
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: it feels like I've got to give Kyle some credit here.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: We joke about my fantasy team all the time. It's
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: not that. I think Kyle's playing the Christian McCaffrey thing perfectly. Like,
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: he's just keeping him– that guy's going to be fresher
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: than he's ever been for a second half of a season.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they'll go to him more, you know, in
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: the bigger games. They're just trying to– they're trying to,
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: you know, like you said, just kind of keep him
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: for the long haul. Kalen Black's a rookie out of Indiana,
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: and I don't know how much trust he has in him.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: It's just been injuries. That's the problem is, you know,
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: Debo just went down. Deshaun's dribbling their second-round pick. They
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: really like– went down before the season. Ricky Pearsall went down.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Demarcus Robinson's on the injured list right now. It's two positions,
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: their defensive line and their wide receivers. I just have
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: a sense, Nick Bosa may come back Monday against Washington.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: I just have a sense that they believe that they're
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: going to get reinforcements as far as the receivers are concerned.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: But the D-line, as great as they played, a bunch
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: of young guys played their best games in Seattle. Halton
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: never had played like that before, 93. They got a
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: digazoo up from Dallas, which I don't know what Dallas
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: was thinking. He's a really good defensive tackle for like
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: a third round pick.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows what Dallas is thinking right now.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: They're idiots. They're just straight idiots. But they need an edge.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Keyon White had really played his best game, 56, for
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: the 49ers against the Seahawks, too. Just a bunch of
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: guys stepped up. And so Monday on the show, it
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: was like, well, do they need to make a trade?
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: It's like, they're not going to play like that every week.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: I think they were just really jacked up. I think
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: they tried to get Khalil Mack when he was a
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: member of the Raiders, and Mark Davis wouldn't trade with
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: the Niners. He hates the 49ers. So they actually had
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: a better deal on the table than Chicago. So I
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: could see the 49ers going back to that. And if
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: you had Mack and Bosa as your edge guys, not
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: only would that be a good pass rushing duo, but
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: they're both really good against the run. And if there's
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: a struggle that the Niners have, and I think the
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: Seahawks will get their run game in order, if there's
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: a struggle that the 49ers have, it's the run game
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: on defense.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: John Lott joining us, courtesy of Chambers Bay Distillery. All right.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the NFC for a second, though. What
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: a mushy middle this thing is. You've got Minnesota, which
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: they're an absolute mirage. They're an absolute mirage.
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: 5-0.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: And they've got tough games coming up, too. We were
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: just talking about how the Rams and the Niners scheduled them.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: We're going to see, as you said, November 22nd in
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Mexico City, the Niners playing. But they've got three or
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: four really tough games coming up. And we both know,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: I don't trust Kyler Murray. There's no way. Defensively, they're good. Offensively, nah.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: I don't buy him. You guys are going on the
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: road to Mexico City now? Yeah. Do the 49ers just
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: hate the United States or what's going on in America?
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Not fans of America?
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: It's the NFL.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Anti-American.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: No, they're really popular in Mexico.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Just like I'm really popular in Germany, you know, like Hasselhoff.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Like they just, for some reason, they just, that's their territory.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Like Mexico City is like Niner Central. So really high elevation.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: They'll beat Minnesota because it's just going to be, the
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: whole place is going to be red. And that's a
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: home game for them. So that's just what they do.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Giants, Giants lead the East. That's only because someone has
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: to win the East and someone has to win the South.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: If the playoffs were to start today, we've got 12
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: weeks left. This is stupid. But think about this. Three
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: teams from the North, Green Bay, Detroit, and Chicago would
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: all be in Seattle, and the Rams would be left out.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Now they're all at 3-2, so it's all tiebreakers right now.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: None of those teams are good. It's still going to
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: be the three teams. The thing that feels like is
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: going to happen this year in the NFC West, and
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I guess it sort of happened last year and all
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: three still got in, these teams are just going to
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: beat each other up. So you better not lose the
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: other games. If you're the Rams, the Seahawks, and the 49ers,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: if you lose, it better be somebody in your division.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: It better be one of the other two teams because
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: outside of that, Cause that conference tiebreaker comes into play
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: and that's going to be, that's problematic. It's already problematic
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: for Seattle, right? Cause the two conference losses, one, a
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: decent one. You can say, you know, this is college football.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Good loss. Good loss in the 49. That's a good loss.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: That's a good loss. The commander's loss was not a
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: good loss, right? That's just not a good loss. I mean,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Atlanta two and three Pennix makes them better. Philadelphia is
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: a dumpster fire. Dallas can't stop anybody. Yeah. It's, I
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: don't know, man. I, I think we're looking at San
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Francisco winning the division. I hate to give them to you.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: You know what? I'm going to hand it to you
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: guys right now. You guys have already won the division.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, don't try to put pressure on.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see what you're doing. Congratulations.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: You already won the division. You've won the division. Chicago's
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: the only team, when they get Caleb Williams back, Chicago's
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: the only team that could come out of that whole thing.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: But like you said, the South and the East, whatever.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: They're done. So that's the only other division. Maybe the
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Lions could get some defense at the deadline. Maybe the Packers,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: although I don't see that. But like you said, and
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: the big reason why or the reason it's such a
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: big deal to win this division is because like, look
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: at last year. if you don't win the division, then
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: you're probably on the road against the other two teams
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: in the division. So let's just say for the sake,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: just like last year, Seattle's at home. They get San
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Francisco at home. They get the Rams at home this year.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: If the 49ers win the division, it's going to be
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Rams and Seahawks again. I mean, it's just whoever the
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Seahawks play from the South or the East, whoever the
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Rams play from the South or the East, they're going
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: to win those games. And then it's going to come
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: down to a game where you're going to have to
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: play on the road potentially against the Rams and then
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: play on the road potentially against the 49ers. And look,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: could the Seahawks win that or could the Rams win that?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they could.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: But you'd rather have those games like we saw last
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: year at home like the Seahawks did. And that's what
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: you're facing. I don't care north, east, south. None of
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: those teams are going to matter. It's going to come
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: down to these three teams. and one of these teams
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: having to try to, who doesn't win the division, go
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: on the road twice against the other two, that's almost impossible.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: You've been really nice today. I don't like it. I
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: don't like it. Well, I just, you know what?
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I feel bad. I just, I kind of feel bad.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: You know, you got two losses. It's like, it's not
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: even fun. You know, it's like when, you know, if
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: you were four and one and hadn't lost that, that
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: game in Washington, it was like, you know, now we'd
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: be like, oh, that was a tie, you know, all
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. And, you know, the Rams are
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: two and three. Although, like I said, the Rams schedule
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: is so easy. They're going to be sitting there eight
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: and three, nine and three, and they're going to be
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: right back in it. Here's the hard part for the
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Seahawks and the Rams. The Niners scheduled down the stretch
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: is kind of tough. But with a 5-0 start now,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: they could go like 8-4 and still go 13-4. And
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: what is it? 13-4, 14-3 probably win the win.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: You better stop trying to math. If you're doing math
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: on the radio, it's going to be bad for you.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm terrible at math.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: It's terrible. It's really bad for you.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: You know, you get the idea, whatever I said, whatever.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I'm sure my math is flawed, but you get the idea.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: How are Niner fans? Are they just sure? Are they
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: just like sticking? You know what?
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I would comp them to just for your for your listeners,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: because there's a bunch of Husky fans and the Husky
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: stink and whatever. And didn't Utah State come back against
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Washington State? We brought that up yet. Probably haven't.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Did we lose the connection to John? I think we
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: lost the connection.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Can't hear him. But you know what? We would both
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: agree on this because we worked in that market. It's
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: the obnoxiousness of the Ducks fans, which, of course, has
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: been knocked down a couple of pegs. But when they're
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: riding high with Dan Lanning and he's talking a bunch
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: of trash and they're obnoxious and unbearable at the office
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: or whatever and they've got their stupid O thing in
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: their window or whatever and they're doing the O. That's
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: kind of what it's like.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: You know, as Husky fans will point out and most
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: others of good programs across the country will point out
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: that O is actually a zero. That's the national championships
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: in Oregon's one. You know, so Dan Lennon can pop
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: off all he wants about his, you know. He can't now, but,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: you know, that's kind of. He's awful quiet this week,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: isn't he? You know, it's like you spent $ 2 million
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: on a backup quarterback who couldn't get a win against
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: UCLA in those powder puff jerseys, man. I mean, come
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: on now. Come on now.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Bourbon on the way. Cheers from Chambers Bay Distillery.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: You sure that people in Seattle don't need that bourbon
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: more than I do? I mean, I need it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, they can get it easier up here than
• 22:23
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• 22:25
  Speaker 2: from Alan and Jeff at Chambers Bay Distillery to you,
• 22:27
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• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I love those guys.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: They're my best friends. Anybody who gives you booze is
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: automatically your best friend.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Well, those guys are your best buddies now.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next week. See you. See you.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: That's John Lund. Take a break. Come back. Much more
• 22:41
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back in.
• 23:07
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• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Stuart Mandel talking all things college football. Stu, first of all,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: two things. One, I appreciate the shout-out on the podcast
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: last week. Second of all, I apologize because you took
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: my coogs in your upset pick over Utah State. It
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: looked great for about 58 minutes of that game. Uh,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: unfortunately they do so close. They do play 60. Uh, I,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: there is a term that is used in this state.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I hate it. I don't even want to use it
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: on the air, but I'm going to, because you wrote
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: about Husker did right. Is it Husker did? Yeah.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm trying to make that. I coined it
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: and hopefully it'll spread.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Uh, we call it couged it out here too. So, uh, it's, it's,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: it's an unfortunate thing, but, uh, yeah, I appreciate it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: They are changing the quarterback. So that's a good thing.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: We'll hit that later with Alex and MK and see
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: what happens going against, uh, the, freshman version of Jeremiah
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Smith this weekend in Legree. I'm a little worried about
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: that one, Stu.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: You should be a lot worried. He's unbelievable. He's a
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: true freshman that nobody saw coming who is leading the
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: country even higher than Jeremiah Smith in every receiving category.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, Lord. Okay, good times. We'll worry about that on Saturday.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: It's actually a great Saturday, which I'm going to get
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: to in a second. One of the things I'm going
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: to bring up with my Wazoo guys when we do
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: our weekly, and for those joining us, usually we do
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of college football Tuesday with Alex Brink and
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Crystal Bruce. We're going to have those guys on today
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: because we have short shows this week with the Kraken yesterday.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: But the importance of head coaches and coaching in college football,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: and it's a really big topic, but I'll narrow it
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: down to this because you wrote about it in the mailbag,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: and I think it's interesting. My goodness, the question was
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: asked by somebody recently, Is Sark in trouble if they go, what,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: 9-3 or something at Texas? And we could spread that
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: all across the country. Is patience with coaches in college
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: football these days at an all-time low? And is that
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: because a couple things? One, the money being invested, but two,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: we do see guys coming in, Chesney at UCLA and
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: across the country, what Stein did last week and different things,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: having immediate success. Is the patience at an all-time low
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: in college football with fans and boosters?
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely. I mean, Kurt Cignetti basically ruined it for everybody, right?
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: If you can come in and win big in Indiana
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: right off the bat, why can't we? And I also think,
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: you know, and this is part of the push for
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: 24 teams is as the playoff has become the measuring stick,
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: you know, if you're a Texas missing it, even once
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: they missed the play, they went into the 14 playoff
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: two years in a row. They missed it last year
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: and the tide immediately turned against him. Now I do think,
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: In Texas, a lot of that has to do with Arch.
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: You know, Arch was the savior and Arch was going
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: to lead them to a national championship. And based on
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: what you saw the other day, and frankly, we've seen
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: so far this season, people are starting to doubt that's
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: a possibility. And I don't think it's fair to judge
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: anybody in college football, national championship or bust. There's so
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: much that goes into that. But you want to at
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: least have a shot. And I don't think they're going
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: to fire Sark if they miss the play or if
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: they if they go 9-3, whether they go into the
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: playoff or not. But there's no question a lot of
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: people there are really unhappy with him right now.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Would a 2014 playoff help or hurt college coaches in
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: terms of their job security?
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: Well, the people who are coming up with this, Tony
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: Petitti and what, I mean, a lot of people who
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: are voting for it, I think, expect that it will
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: help their job security, and I don't believe that. And
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: the reason I don't believe that is, we see in
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: every pro sport all the time, coaches make the playoffs,
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: but they don't go as far as, as it was expected.
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: And they get fired. Like it's not coaches who make
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: the NCAA tournament get fired. Now your expectations are obviously
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: varied by the school you're at. And so let's say
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: I'm Cal and I go to the playoff, but then
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: for the next few years, I don't make it. Like,
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: I don't think that's the same as Texas, Ohio state,
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: whatever you may be. But I just think for those
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: blue blood programs, you're going to consider making the playoff
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: to be the bare minimum. I mean, frankly, what I
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: would want to know is if you, if you are
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: Texas and you miss the 2014 playoff, even once, are
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: you out?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: That's kind of how I'd look at it. I mean,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: because that debate was going on with college basketball, right?
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of people with the expansion of the
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: NCAA tournament. It's like, well, that's great if we have
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: 78 teams or whatever, 76 teams. And, You make the tournament,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: but if you're, you know, one and done and you're
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: barely in and you're a bubble team and you're, you know,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: you're a 17 and 15 team and you're a blue blood,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: like you say, every expectation is different, right? Every program
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: is different. I mean, the expectations at LSU right now,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: probably not being met by Lane Kiffin for what they
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: invested in Lane and that roster, right? So every program
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: is different. That's why I was kind of curious because
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: there's all this talk about, you know, are games still
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: relevant and all those things. I just think the importance
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: of a college coach these days is greater than it's
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: ever been because of all the things you have to do,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: putting that roster together and the portal and not just
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: recruiting high school kids and how good is your staff.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: And so that's kind of why the way I was
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: looking at it, because I'll get to our guys here
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: in a second, but I just feel like that college
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: coaching resume includes so many more things than maybe it
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: used to.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: I think that we, to this point, You know, we've
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: seen every so often a coach will get fired after
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: two seasons. Jonathan Smith got fired after two seasons last
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: year in Michigan State, and that's seen as an anomaly.
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: But in a 2014 playoff, I think that becomes the norm.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: You get two years to make it, and if you don't,
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: you're out. And think about how much money that's going
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: to cost because the schools are still giving these coaches
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: their guaranteed contracts, their 85%, 90% guaranteed contracts, and then
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: you have to pay a huge buyout to let them go. But, yeah,
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think– In the NFL, sometimes they'll
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: blame the GM. I mean, yes, the coach gets blamed,
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: but sometimes you blame the GM. He's the one who
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: put the roster together. But because in college that's still
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: relatively new, and in most cases the GM is at
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: worst parallel to the coach on the org chart, I'm
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: not seeing that. I'm not seeing people who are having
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: a bad start to this. Texas A & M fans
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: are not blaming their GM for this disastrous start. They're
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: blaming Mike Elko.
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: No.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: It's funny you bring that up, though. There's Wazoo fans
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: blaming the guy that's Kirby. Moore's quote-unquote GM for the
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: quarterback issues. At the end of the day, Kirby's the
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: offensive guy. He picked him, but It's it is so
• 29:47
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  Speaker 2: best will do. All right, Stu, I'm going to get
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: to some of the games is great games this weekend.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: What happened last weekend? Let's just start last, last week. I, uh,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I do, uh, when I'm working for the hockey team,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: we do road games. Our studio is the big network,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the big 10 network out at Washington, uh, that we, uh,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: that we use and utilize out there. I come walking
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: out of the, uh, the arena where the studios are
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: located midway through the second quarter on Friday night, Iowa, Washington.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: And at that point it was 13 turning into 20
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: to nothing. The fans in the drizzle pouring out of
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: the stadium. I thought, oh, cool. I'll beat traffic, get
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: the hell out of here soon. In fact, we even
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: thought about going into the game for a bit. We
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: had tickets, and I'm just going to get out of here.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: People were leaving. Before I got in my car, it
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: was 27-0, 26-0, and it just got worse from there
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: for Washington and Jed Fish. You're watching from afar, but
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: you're watching on a national scale. You're talking to people.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: What's the assessment of what Jed Fish in Washington is
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: doing right now, how he's doing, a top-20 team to
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: start the season, if that matters at all. Maybe it doesn't,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: but the expectations were higher. than a team that is
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: sitting there right now at 500. Yeah.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: I mean, they're definitely one of the biggest disappointments in
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: the country, right? They started preseason number 16. A and
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: M would be the one team that's, that was even higher.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: That is totally flopped. Uh, but Washington's totally flopped. It
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: doesn't help when you have a quarterback, uh, who everybody
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: knows is paying big money because we found out in
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: that lawsuit. And he's obviously been a disappointment. I realized
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: he got hurt. Um, but it's obviously more than that.
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: I mean, their, their defense, um, It was actually pretty
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: jarring to watch Iowa just line up over and over
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: again and blow them off the ball. The problem sometimes
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: with those Friday night games is everybody's watching them because
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: it's the only game on or one of only two
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: games on. So a lot of people saw that. That
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: was kind of like Penn State the week before. A
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: lot of people saw, wow, they're bad.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. And now they go to Purdue,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: not a short week because it's seven days. But Purdue
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden looks like they can, I don't know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: stop the run and run the football. What world are
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: we living in where Purdue, Matt Painter's basketball school is
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: now turning into a football school, at least in terms
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: of what they did to Minnesota? Because that's a Minnesota
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: team that came here and put it to Washington a
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: couple weeks ago.
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Purdue is decent. Barry Odom's in his second year there. Well,
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: there's a Purdue connection, right? Ryan Walters was the head
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: coach for two years, now the Washington, D.C., And it
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: was a total debacle. And that program bottomed out. Barry
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: Odom brought in to rebuild it after he pulled off
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: kind of a miracle, frankly, with UNLV. And you're seeing
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: that progress. Now, they're 3-3. They're not, you know, off
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: the charts. But, you know, they are the one team
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: that has given UCLA fits, right? UCLA's undefeated. People are
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: talking about them going to the playoff. And I remember
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: that late-night game where they couldn't stop Purdue. Purdue couldn't
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: stop UCLA, and UCLA couldn't stop Purdue.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: So....
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: It's not lost on me. We did the big project
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: a couple weeks ago with everybody's NIL budgets, and it's
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: not lost on me that Washington has lost to the
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: two teams, Minnesota and Iowa, that are second to last
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: and third to last in the Big Ten on our chart.
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: And now they're about to play the one that's dead last,
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: and they might lose to them too.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Things will be bad around here, I can tell you
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: that right now. Stuart Mandel from The Athletic joining us.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: What was.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: What was your takeaway from Georgia-Alabama? Besides maybe a missed call?
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: This is the best. Yeah, that did happen. But regardless,
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: this is the best Georgia team I've seen since Kirby's
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: 21-22 national championship teams. We'd seen some cracks the last
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: couple years, losing in the quarterfinals, obviously, both years in
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: the playoff. Man, they're doing everything right. Connor Stockton's a
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: great fit at quarterback for them. They ran the ball
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: down Alabama's throats at times, and they played good defense.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: Keelan Russell had some big plays, but for the most part,
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: he wasn't tearing them up by any means. It doesn't
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: mean I'm jumping off the Alabama bandwagon. That was a
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: down-to-the-last-second game, and I think Alabama's very good too. But
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: Georgia is a very deserving number one right now.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome. I've talked about it before. My
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: family's Alabama. From Alabama, my wife's birthday was last week,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: and we had everybody over and got settled down in time,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: having some drinks and dinners and watching that game, and
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of angst. But I thought it
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: was just a hell of a football game. But that's
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: what you want. That's a great college football game. All
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: the stuff we talk about with NIL and all that stuff,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: and all that's involved with those two programs. We all
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: know that. But, Stuart, at the end of the day,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: just a great heavyweight title fight. That's why we love
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: college football. It's a Saturday night game in the southeast,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: a game like that with those two teams that are Well,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: for sure, probably playoff teams, right? Yeah.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: Oh, definitely playoff teams. It's whether they can win the
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: national title. I know a lot of people get sick
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: of the SEC and all the acclaim that the SEC gets.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: But if you watch college football all day, all day
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: like I do, and you see a lot of, frankly,
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: mediocre football, and then you turn that game on and
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: you see that level of athleticism on all sides of
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: the ball, it's pretty– That doesn't mean that every SEC
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: team looks like that by any means, but those two do.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: No, they do. They pass the eye test and then
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: some sir Mandel with us. UCLA loses Nico, their starting quarterback,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: but yet they still beat Oregon. There's two storylines here.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Let's start with UCLA and the Bruins. They're one of
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: the better stories this year in college football. And what
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: they're doing is remarkable. Chesney coming in and just picking
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: up where he left off at the group of six
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: level and what he's doing at UCLA. But can they
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: continue to do what they're doing without their starting quarterback?
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: They do have a great running back in Wayne Knight,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: but can they keep doing that?
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's a really interesting situation because on
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: the one hand, and maybe it's in part because Nico
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: is such a big name, but you think, oh, that's, man,
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: how are they going to do it without him? You know,
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: the guy that came in, Ty Dieffenbach, who did a
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: perfectly good job, is a Cal Poly transfer. Um, but
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: then if you look at the stats, like Nico is
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: the 80th rated passer in the country. Um, he had
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: those two interceptions in the first half before he got hurt. Um,
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: I feel like they don't necessarily have to drop off
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: without Nico. Maybe it hurts them in the running game
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: a little bit. We'll see. Um, but I think they
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: can do this cause they're like, you stay away night.
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: And the thing I learned in the Oregon game that
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: I had maybe failed to notice is how good they
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: are on defense. Cause again, I saw that Purdue game, right?
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: But if you look over the course of their season,
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: that game was the aberration. I mean, they harassed Dylan
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: Raiola to the point where Dan Lanning felt compelled to
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: bench him for a walk-on. I mean, that's a statement
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: right there.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Well, we talked about Washington disappointment. I'll let the Husky
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: fans have their fun here. How disappointing is Oregon?
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're very disappointing because, again, I think one of
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: the reasons we wanted to do that NIL project was–
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: you know what the teams are working with. You can
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: judge them accordingly. And obviously Oregon has one of, if
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: not the richest rosters in the country, you know, losing
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: Dante Moore, it shouldn't be overlooked, but he, I mean, they,
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: they looked bad against Oklahoma state, even when he was playing.
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: And I wrote about this in the mailbag today, a
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: reader asked me like, is it as simple as their
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: offensive line? It's just not very good anymore.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: And statistically it's not. And I think that the father
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: that that program has gotten from Mario Cristobal is who
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: is an offensive line guru. And they had dominant offensive
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: lines when Bo Nix was there, Dan Lanning's first couple seasons.
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: And it has started to regress, and then it's just
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: kind of bottomed out this year. I don't know if
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: that's the sole explanation, but it's definitely noticeable.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And at the same time, you're Oregon.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: You're kind of reloading. I think what it shows sometimes, too,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: if you miss on talent evaluations, right? Like that's especially
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: portal or JC or transfers or whatever. If you miss
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: on that, it can, it can hurt you tremendously. And, uh,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: and end of the day, they, uh, they couldn't score
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: from wherever the ball should have been placed. One and
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: a half, one yard line, half yard line, whatever it
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: might've been.
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: Couldn't get in.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Couldn't get in. And then you're Oregon.
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: You know, it's interesting though, in this age where we
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: just assume everybody's in the portal.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: All five starting offensive linemen are landing high school recruits.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: Um, guys that have been in the program for at
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: least two or three years. And, And then you see
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: that and it's like, oh, something's not right in the development.
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: This wasn't a case of we picked the wrong guys
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: in the portal. This is we've had all these years
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: to develop them and we're not developing them. And by
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: the way, it's not the whole group. It's two guys
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: in particular.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to. Right.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: Blast them here. But two guys in particular really struggled,
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: first-time starters.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Stu, we've got a good weekend coming up. Last weekend
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: was sensational. Indiana-Nebraska was awesome, just in terms of the
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: hype down in Lincoln. And then, obviously, we talked about
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Georgia and Alabama. But this weekend, heavyweight title fight, Ohio State-Indiana.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Indiana's hosting that. I can't even fathom what the atmosphere
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: is going to be like in Bloomington, probably not since
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the days of Bobby Knight in basketball. Will we have
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: an atmosphere like that in Bloomington? Handicap this for me.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith against Indiana. all day jeremiah smith by the
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: way shockingly ohio state receiver like our guy jackson smith
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: and jig but you know what our topic all week
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: has been are they are the seahawks just using too
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: much jsn are they too reliant on jsn is ohio
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: state too reliant on jeremiah smith or does it even matter.
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: We're gonna find out this week i think because um
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: what what what you know indiana obviously the Almost lost
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: to Nebraska. It was 17-6 in the fourth quarter. They
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: came back at the end. And the one thing that
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: really stood out to me is how poor Indiana was
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: at tackling. And so Dana Holgerson, the OC, just kept
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: doing these little screen passes and tosses and just get
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: the guy in open space and then watch him weave
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: through Indiana's defense. If they let Jeremiah Smith do that,
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: they're going to be in big trouble, right? But what
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: if they can lock him down a little bit or
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: slow him down a little bit, maybe not lock him down,
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: Who are Ohio State's other options? Because it's been so
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: many years of, I mean, you mentioned Jackson Smith and Jig,
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: but he was like the third receiver on the team
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: that went to the Rose Bowl and had Garrett Wilson
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: and Chris Olave. And then Marvin Harrison Jr. comes in
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: and Carnell Tate comes in. This is the first time
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: under Ryan Day where it really is one guy. And
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: I'm really interested to see how how Indiana prepares for that.
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: Kurt Cignetti always obviously knows, you know, which combination to
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: play there. It'll be a great test of Indiana secondary.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Now one guy should take a cue and take some
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: lessons from a former Michigan receiver, his rival, and learn
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: how to do the Heisman pose because that's going to
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: be his deal in December. At least probably it looks
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: like that right now. When I worked in Salt Lake City,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I always, and I still say this to this day,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: is to me one of the, If it's not the
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: best rivalry in the country, it's one of them, Utah-BYU.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: It's just so underrated. But we called it the Holy
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: War back then. I think all those things, Civil War.
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: No, they still do.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Do they? Okay.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: No, they still do. You're right.
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: It's one of the great underrated rivalries.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: It's unreal. I did always laugh, though, when they called
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: it the Holy War, because really, for the most part,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: including Coach Whittingham's LDS, most of his staff, I mean,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: everyone at Utah, by and large, a lot of them
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: are still LDS. There was no Holy War there. They
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: were all in the same church. On Sunday morning, they'd
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: all go hang out together at the local stake or ward.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: But this is a Holy War. The Catholics versus the
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Mormons on Saturday. Notre Dame and BYU. Stu, I can't
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: wait for this game. This could be sensational, and if
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: nothing else, a true barometer game for Notre Dame. First time,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: first time they'll be tested this year, maybe, and maybe
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: the same for BYU.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: I think true barometer game for both of them. Um,
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: it's been a while since we saw Notre Dame play
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: a top 10 team, uh, since the first, what the
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: second week of last season, I believe.
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: And they've looked great. They've looked like national championship contender,
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: but they're playing a terrible Stanford team, uh, you know,
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: a bunch of, bunch of teams like that. So, um,
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: they're going against a BYU team that has a, single
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: digit in front of them but i think a lot
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: of skeptics is byu really a top 10 team and
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: it's just a really big deal for the big 12
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: because it's possible byu regardless of what happens on saturday
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: ends up winning the big 12 and what you don't
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: want if you're the big 12 is for it to
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: turn out your best team is not on the same
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: playing field as a team like notre dame And by
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: the way, they're missing– the shame of this is they're
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: not at full strength.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: L.J.
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: Martin was a 1,000-yard rusher last year. I think preseason–
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: if he wasn't preseason player of the year in the
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: Big 12, he was certainly the first team running back.
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: He's out for a month. Last week against Iowa State,
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: basically their quarterback, Bear Bachmeier, was the runner, too. So
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: that's going to be hard against Notre Dame.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Well, when you're wearing a number in the forties, you
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: can run too. And he runs hard, but it'll be,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: that's a test without with other top running backs to
• 43:31
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• 43:34
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• 43:36
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• 43:38
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• 43:40
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• 43:44
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• 43:47
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• 44:03
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• 44:07
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• 44:10
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• 44:20
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• 44:22
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  Speaker 2: All right, here we go. Better late than never. Normally
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: on a Tuesday, I was not going to let the
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: week go by. I have people like this is literally,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I think it's therapeutic for people. I've got Cougar fans
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: texting me on Friday night. I got them texting me today, yesterday. Hey,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: where are the guys? We need a little Alex. We
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: need a little MK. We need a little talking off
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the ledge. Things are not going well in Coug land.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: You can't even enjoy watching the Huskies lose at home
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: and get boat raced by Iowa. You can't even enjoy that.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: You can't enjoy watching Oregon. Well, I guess you can
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: kind of enjoy watching Oregon lose to UCLA. I just
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: kept thinking about Gabe Marks and his comments about the
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: jerseys they wore and the powder blue and all that stuff.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: It's hard to enjoy all that when you're losing to
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Utah State. Goodness me. Alex is here. MK is here.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: We're going to get into the quarterback change. We're going
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: to get into everything we need to. Let's just start
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: with some general thoughts on where we are right now. Alex,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: fire away. Yeah, it's not good, boys. It is not good.
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: I was, I don't know about in shock, but I
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: was quite surprised the way things unfolded on Friday night
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: in Logan, Utah.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I thought.
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: You know, all things considered, the team got off to
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: a good start in that first half. It wasn't perfect,
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: but there was certainly some improvement for sure. And then
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: to kind of watch this slow unwind in the second
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: half where, you know, what shocked me the most, guys,
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: is just the inability of anybody on the team or
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: on the sideline to pull themselves out of kind of
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: that downhill spiral. And so, you know, I think for
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: me that with a 16-3 lead, obviously things aren't going
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: your way. I mean, really, nobody made plays down the stretch.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: And that's the hard part.
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: You had turnovers, you had miscues on defense, and ultimately,
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: you know, it leads to a loss. So, yeah, it's,
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: I mean, what, first one in five starts since 2010.
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: It's been a long time since Washington State football has
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: been here. And, you know, it's going to take a
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: lot of soul searching and obviously some changes, as we've
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: seen this week.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing is everybody is looking, okay,
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: where do we point the finger? And do we jump
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: off the ship and just burn this season down and,
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: you know, work towards the next? And there's so many
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: different conversations happened. And my phone has been absolutely doing
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: backflips of people are just like saying the same thing
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: and just the disappointment. But collectively, Kirby, he doesn't necessarily
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: have his back against the wall, but he's got to
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: make some hard decisions. He's got to make them now, right?
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: And there's got to be some changes right now, which
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: we'll probably talk about in a second.
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: Well, the other thing, Ian, that I think is, you know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: if I'm playing the glass half full side, which you
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: know I love to do often, is that, you know,
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: the reality for not just Washington State football, like look south,
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: down I-5 a ways to Eugene, right? Like we want
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: to talk about NIL money and transfer portal and all
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: the things it can bring that you can be Indiana
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: or you can be UCLA, Oregon State, and you certainly can,
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: but you can also be the flip side. And the
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: money doesn't really matter.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: The challenge this day and age is, I get my
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: roster in January once it's all set, right? And can
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: I get that roster to buy in, learn the system, gel,
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: all the things before September 1st? So you guys do
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: the math on how long that is because once that
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: happens and the season happens, you do it all over
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: again the next year, right? That's what makes Kurt Cignetti
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: so incredible. That's what makes, you know, Jamarcus Shepard so
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: incredible is that they've kind of done it in one year,
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: but that's not to say it's going to happen the
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: next year. And I think the flip side is true
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: for Washington State. This year is not going great, but
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: if you do, you know, if you do let it
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: play out and you give Kirby Moore and his staff
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: time to figure this thing out, like I believe that
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: they're going to figure it out, but it does, it's
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: not a guarantee and it takes time. And that's the
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: challenge this day and age in football.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I want to circle. We'll get back to Kirby in
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: a second. Alex, you bring up a great point. You
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: just really got me kind of thinking about something going
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: on in college sports period right now. And it's about
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: what you just said. It's kind of about the coaching.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to get to that in a second.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I don't want to bury the lead. The lead is,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, everyone's, it's the Caden Pinnock situation. He is
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: not going to start this week. Owen Esselman is going
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: to start. And the three of us were going back
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: and forth on Friday and texted. And it's, you know,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: there's offensive line issues, which we can bring up and
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: incorporate into this conversation. But Alex, let's start with you.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Pinnock out, Eshelman in, go.
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: Well, I tell you what, guys, shades of another redshirt
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: freshman starting at Oregon State down in Corvallis. That was
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: this guy back in the day.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: I remember I was at that game. I hope it goes.
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: Better for young Owen Eshelman than it went for a
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: young Alex Brink. It was not great that day. Obviously,
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: it's a tough place to play. You know, again, I...
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: we were talking about this via text. Like, I don't
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: think you can lay this all at the feet of
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: Caden Pinnock by any means, but the results are the results.
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: And one of my favorite sayings as a quarterback trainer
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: is the ball leaves our hand last as a quarterback,
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: which means we are ultimately responsible for, right, for the
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: results on the field. And I think, you know, Caden
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: would tell you the same thing and the results aren't there.
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: And so, you know, the staff had to make a move.
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: I think, you know, going with Owen Eshelman has, you know,
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: there are some really great things about Eshelman. Like when
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: he came in, the Jimmy Rogers staff, they loved him.
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: Danny Freund loved his athletic ability, his leadership, his maturity,
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: super intelligent kid, wanted to be an engineer, had like
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: a 35 ACT, you know, he's bigger than Caden. He's 6'3,
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: 215 pounds. So, you know, I think there's things that
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: might be positives, but we also, we also are not
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: totally sure. So this is definitely a gamble and it's
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: kind of a bet potentially on the future of your
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: program because you don't know where it goes from here.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: I think ultimately you're hoping this provides a spark because
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: it's a change and it's not the same thing getting
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: run out there, but the offense has to improve. Like
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: you're not going to win football games because if you
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: don't establish the running game and not with the quarterback
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: involved with the running backs and with the offensive line.
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: And so, you know, I think that's super important, but again, I,
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: in general, I'm really empathetic to quarterbacks because I've been there.
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: I've been on both sides of this conversation. So I,
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: you know, I kind of feel it more viscerally than
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: anybody else. And, I'm just I'm hopeful for Owen Eshelman that,
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: you know, he's he's able to step up and get
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: the support he needs and make the plays. And I
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: also feel for Caden Pinnock because I think he's taking
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: a lot of heat that is unnecessary.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: And devil's advocate, I don't necessarily think it's it's unwarranted heat.
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: I think that, you know, it could be spread out
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: towards other things. But the number one thing that's that's
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: the most pressing on the field right now is, That
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: is such an important position. You of all people know this, Alex,
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: like literally you can put all the right positions, all
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: the right people in place.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: But if you can't get the ball to him, what
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: are we doing?
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: So there was a number of plays that you talked about.
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: There was a line breakdown, maybe a couple of schemes,
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: drop passes, you know, things like that. But there are
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: wide open passes that could potentially change the game. But
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: beyond that, to protecting the football is the number one
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: thing in this sport. And he's been a fumble in
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: every single game.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Has there been? we have to go back and look
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: at that, but past three games. Yeah.
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: So it's just, it's just one of those things right
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: now that, that we can kind of put this to bed,
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: but this new quarterback coming in young.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Guy can run, right.
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: Can throw the pill according to coach coaches saying like,
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: you know, he he's been training. Like he's been the
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: starter this whole time, which I love to hear that
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: from Kirby, right? He's like every single day that he's practicing,
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: he's training like he is the starter. So it's going
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: to be exciting to see him actually go out there
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: and let loose. I.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I just, me as just, not the non-player looking at
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: it from outside looking in i think kirby had to
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: make the change for a lot of different reasons football
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: related i think non-football related i i think it's it's
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: a tough decision you're the head coach and it's you
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: know you're i love the fact that god if you're
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: if you're a player you gotta love the fact that
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: the guy's loyal right like he's gonna stick but at
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: the same time is it fair to the rest of
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: the team in in today's day and age sometimes you
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: got to make that switch i hated how this young
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: man portrayed himself sometimes and i just i i i
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: whether it be on the bench, on the sideline, postgame,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: what have you. I've had this conversation with people in
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: the athletic department. They need to do a better job
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: of helping these guys, coach them up on how to
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: deal with the media, how to answer questions. It is
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: absolutely ridiculous how it's portrayed at times. You're the quarterback
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: for a Division I football team. In today's day and age,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if it was the old Pac-12, the
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: new Pac-12, the Pac-8, the Pac-10, you represent the school,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: the You're the front-facing guy, Alex. You did it great
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: for all those years. Luke did it great for all
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: those years. But body language is important. It's so important.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: It's very important. And maybe more so today than it
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: ever has been. So that being said, let's just talk
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: about what's going to happen. Alex, I was at that game,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: and I remember... You were under siege in Corvallis. You
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: were under siege. It wasn't good, guys. I was excited
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: to see you play because I watched you play in
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: high school when I was still working in Portland. I
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: did the play-by-play on the All-State game at the old
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: ballpark there in Portland. When you gave a middle finger
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: to Boise State in the blue turf and you were
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: coming to Wazoo, and I'm like that. You know, I
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: remember talking to Greg Barton about this, and the quarterback
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: guru down there goes, this dude is the man. Like,
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Alex is the man. I'm like, I can't wait to
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: see Alex Spring play. And then the first game, it's
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: like you were on your backside the entire game. Like,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: it was a sea of, you know, every day is
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Halloween down there with the orange and black, you know,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: and it was just like, that's all we saw. So,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: you know, whether it was that time or this time,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: and Oregon State aside, what's the challenge of a guy
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: getting his first start at that level?
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: Well, just everything moves fast, right? It moves faster. It's
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: faster than practice.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: It's obviously faster than high school.
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: You know, you can protect young guys to some degree
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: with your play calling. And, you know, if you remember
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: back then that was, that was 2004 Ian pre Jerome
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: Harrison emergence, like the next five, six games after that
• 55:33
  Speaker 7: is when Jerome Harrison really got going.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: So we were trying to figure it.
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: We were trying to figure out who we were as
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: an offense a little bit at that time as well.
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: So like, we didn't go in with probably the plan
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: we needed to win. And so, you know, I think
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: for Eshelman, you know, the hope is Kirby Moore, I
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: thought made some good changes when it came to play
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: calling in a short week last week. I think they
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: have a chance to kind of build on that. Personnel-wise,
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: you know, skill-wise, skill position-wise, things look good. You might
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: be without left tackle Ashton Tripp. That's a little bit
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: of an issue. So for a young quarterback, it's about
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: seeing the picture clean and getting the ball out of
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: your hands and trying not to hold onto the football.
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: And a lot of that comes with how the, how
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: the staff kind of builds the plan for them. And,
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: and I saw some of that with motion and screens
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: and spreading the field last week. And so I'm cautiously
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: optimistic there, but it's a challenge.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Like there's no doubt.
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: And look, Oregon state's playing with a ton of confidence.
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: They Mike McIntyre, the D coordinator is a veteran guy.
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: they've got 15 sacks on the year. That's like more
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: than they had up to this, more than they had
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: all of last year. So they're getting after the passer
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: and research research stadium is going to be sold out.
• 56:37
  Speaker 7: Like it's going to be packed there. The Beaver faithful
• 56:39
  Speaker 7: are excited. So I think Breschelman it's the thing I
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: know about him. He's pretty unflappable. Like things don't really
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: get to him in that regard. So I do think
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: that's going to really help with like what he's going
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: to see when that first whistle, when that first whistle
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: happens on Saturday.
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: And for you, and for you when you're playing, like,
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: let's just say, put yourself in that position. You're a
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: young quarterback, right? Haven't seen a lot of action. What,
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: what's going to make you the most comfortable? Because what
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: I saw last week, I did see some good things
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: as far as, okay, let's get the ball out of
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: Pennix's hands sooner. Maybe give him some quick passes, some confidence,
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: a little bit of pitch and catch. How are you
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: setting up Eshelman to, to be the most successful? Because
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: the best coaches, that's what they can do is put
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: you in the best position to be the best that
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: you can be. What are you doing to get him
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: some confidence to get him rolling?
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit of that.
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: A lot of first, second down, quick game and quick
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: screens to kind of get the ball in the hands
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: of your playmakers. I don't want to run him to death,
• 57:30
  Speaker 7: but early quarterback run, when I was a quarterback, I
• 57:33
  Speaker 7: wanted to run and get hit. I needed that to happen.
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: I didn't want to stand in the pocket and throw
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: and get hit. I wanted to be out in the
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: field and run and make it happen. If I picked
• 57:43
  Speaker 7: up a first down, all of a sudden things started
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: to slow down for me. So You know, an early
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: quarterback run or quarterback scramble will get them going. But,
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: you know, that kind of quick passing game and utilizing
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: your playmakers. I think this offense is at its best
• 57:56
  Speaker 7: when they're finding the matchups pre-snap and throwing the ball
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: out to those guys in space. When it drops back
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: and pass, there's been challenges because there's just not elite
• 58:07
  Speaker 7: separators speed-wise. The last thing I'll say, Trey Lechner had
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: four catches for 37 yards, I think in the first half,
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: but certainly in the first two and a half quarters,
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: didn't touch the ball in the second half. Trey Lechner's
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: got to touch the football more. He's probably one of,
• 58:22
  Speaker 7: if not your best playmaker out there. Love to see
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: the tight end get involved more.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to see Peterson ever touch a
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: ball again because I'll be on the turf every time.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: So I give the ball to the other tight end,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Lechner is the guy. And he's been hurt a lot
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: of the year, so he's finally back and healthy, and
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: that's why they haven't gone to him. I want to
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: wrap up the offensive talk because I want to go
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: back to something else in a second. Alex, MK, I'll
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: start with you. How much of an issue is the
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: offensive line? I mean, we blame the quarterback, and I
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: get we blame the quarterback because– and Alex has a
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: great line. The ball touches your hand last. That's a
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: great line. Yeah. How much, MK, you're a D lineman.
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  Speaker 2: How much of a problem is that offensive line right now?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it is, but I think I've been struggling
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: because I also see that there's been first down opportunities there.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: And then also the way that he does scramble, I
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: think it puts some of the linemen in bad situations
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: where there are holding calls or things like that.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think that play calling has been the
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: best to set this offensive lineup for success. And then
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: also mixed with Caden. I don't think Caden was in
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: the best position to be the best that he could
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  Speaker 5: be as well.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it was a combination. Alex?
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  Speaker 7: I mean, look, you know, you had 13 pedalings last
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: week and eight or nine of them were on the
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: offensive line. And like, there's certainly some that get tied
• 59:28
  Speaker 7: to you know, scrambling, scramble, scramble holds, but like pre-snap
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: false starts, like every week, pre-snap false starts egregious. Like
• 59:36
  Speaker 7: that's a coaching issue. Ultimately, like they have to figure
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: that piece out that you can't have pre-snap holds. You
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: can't have, or sorry, pre-snap false starts on first down.
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: You can't constantly have holding penalties. Like there's, again, guys,
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  Speaker 7: like I watched the tape, the all 22, I sent
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: you a clip. There was a play where Caden's got
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: a guy wide open downfield. He's going to deliver the
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: football and the three technique, the D tackles unblocked, like
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: things like that. Just, can't happen at this level of
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 7: football the communication has to be better especially for a
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: group that brought back a ton of guys with playing
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  Speaker 7: experience so I don't whether it's Caden Pinnock Owen Eshelman
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  Speaker 7: Julian Duggar Alex Brink and Chris O'Bruce back there like
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: the offensive line has to get better and what I
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: would tell you is you know from a quarterback's perspective
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  Speaker 7: you know we see you guys see the five or
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  Speaker 7: six plays where it's like oh that guy's open he's
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  Speaker 7: got to make that throw But if on 70% of
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  Speaker 7: the other throws you're running for your life or you're scrambling,
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  Speaker 7: it'd be like you getting cut block every down MK.
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  Speaker 7: And then all of a sudden you get a free
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  Speaker 7: rush and you're waiting for the cut block and you
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  Speaker 7: don't run. And so, you know, again, you'd like to
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  Speaker 7: say the player just makes the plays, which is again,
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  Speaker 7: a hundred percent true. I'm on board with that, but.
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  Speaker 7: We have to understand that everybody has to do their
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: one 11th on offense for an offense to be successful.
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  Speaker 7: You can't just have one guy make a tackle in
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 7: space and save the day for everybody on defense.
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  Speaker 2: Coach Val, can you have you running the offense as
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: a quarterback at Liberty High School?
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  Speaker 5: No, he did not.
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  Speaker 2: I was just checking.
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you right now, if someone was coming to
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  Speaker 5: the backfield, I was running. Listen, I wasn't 10. 10
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  Speaker 5: used to be able to get out of there, and
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: he could throw the deep ball at me. If the
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: slant wasn't there, I was gone.
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  Speaker 2: I want to bring up, and this is probably, we'll
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: just scratch the surface of this because it's a bigger
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: picture issue along the way. I'm going to, I'll present
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  Speaker 2: it to you guys like this. I'm Crystal Brusa, Alex
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  Speaker 2: Brink with us. The, in today's world of college football,
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  Speaker 2: and Alex, you said it very well in that first
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: part of our segment today. You know, like nowadays you
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: put your roster together and, you know, here's what you have.
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  Speaker 2: And Signetti's done this and Shepard's done that at Oregon State.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Chesney's done it down at UCLA. Okay. what Eric Morris
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: is doing at Oklahoma State. You go through the whole
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: list of guys. And there's other places it hasn't worked, right,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: with a first-time coach. And I'm not saying first-time ever
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: head coach, just a new coach. Dickerson did a terrific
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: job at Wake Forest. I find it interesting. I believe,
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  Speaker 2: this is just my thought, and we'll just wrap it
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  Speaker 2: up with just a quick answer to this. My thought
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: is this. I know players need to get paid. I
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: get all that. I laugh when I hear people say, well,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: the coaches are making this and the coaches are making that.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Forever and a day, college basketball, the coach has made, honestly,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: probably no sport in the world more so than college basketball.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: The coach is the most important thing. And you think
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: about all the names and the guys and the programs
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: over the years. And because it's a system and you
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: get guys in, you recruit, but the coach. I think
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: in today's college football, the coach is more important than
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: ever before. And the head coach, that is. Because you're not,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: the chances to develop guys aren't there anymore. But at
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: the same time, here's the catch-22. The patience level is zero.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely zero. Right, Alex? In MK, you have to
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: win now, and it doesn't help when a guy like
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Shepard goes in and wins right away at Oregon State
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So I present this to you.
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  Speaker 2: And this is very general. I don't want to get
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: too deep into it. We'll talk about this, I'm sure,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: as the weeks go on. Alex, you're around the program.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: You're traveling every week. How do we feel about Kirby Moore?
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I really like Kirby Moore. And I would
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 7: I would the way I would phrase this is I
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: would kind of like I would go a little deeper
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: than kind of where you went with the question is
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 7: that I think I actually don't think it's just about
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 7: the head coach. I actually think it's much more about
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 7: the assistant coaches in this day and age than the
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 7: head coach.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason I.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: Say that is, again, back to my original point where
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  Speaker 7: if I only have seven months to get a team
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: ready to go. I have to be an elite communicator.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: I've been elite motivator. I have to be elite in
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: my scheme to be able to get these guys to
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: buy in. Now, listen, remember the success of these, the
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: Bob Chesney's of the world and the Kurt Cignetti's of
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: the world, you know, and even the Jake Dickert's of
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: the world stems from the fact that usually they've been
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: bringing their guys with them to these places and then
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: filling them.
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  Speaker 1: In, right?
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  Speaker 7: Jamarcus Shepard's actually an anomaly in that sense, but you know,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: the best guys kind of have this mix of their
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: own guys. Plus they bring more, you know, the backfill
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: or whatever. And then they're able to get that to
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: mesh together. And I think that doesn't, it happens from
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: the top for sure. But I think the top guys
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: have control on the staff below them. And so my
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 7: point in saying that is that you know, on defense, boy,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: Trent Bray, like he's really doing a really nice job.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: I really like that. I think the jury's out on offense.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: I think the reality is Kirby Moore probably should have
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 7: been calling plays from the get-go, right? And let the
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: other guys do their thing so that he could kind
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 7: of get that side of the ball to where he wanted.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: And now he's playing catch up. And so I say,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: I want to see that play out because I think
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 7: Kirby Moore is one of the best offense coordinators in football.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: I'd like to see him kind of get everybody in
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 7: the right spot, right seat on the bus, so to speak.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: And that's more akin to what you're seeing from a
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: success level at other places is a head coach. That's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: got command of the staff and the staff are the
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: guys that go and implement it in such a short
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: period of time.
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  Speaker 5: I couldn't agree with you any more than that because
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: everything is the head coach right now is directing traffic.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: That's all he is doing right now is putting the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: pieces around him to be successful. So I, Thousand percent
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: agree with you. But that also goes all the way
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: down to your recruiting. It goes down to your staff
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: that's in the building, nutrition, the whole nine. Because remember,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: the players that are coming in, this is what they
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: come in and see. I think Washington State has to
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: do a better job of their recruiting. But Kirby came
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: in and he had a millisecond to kind of build
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: around himself. And he might not have gotten all the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: pieces right. And he's just a couple pieces away from that.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: So a really good point to that, right, is like,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: you know, people, let's compare it to Jake Dickert. The
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: difference is Jake Dicker knew he was leaving Washington State,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: so he knew which guys he wanted to cherry pick
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 7: and take with him. Kirby Moore, in his scenario, he
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: gets this job late because Jimmy Rogers left, so he's
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: going in the portal and grabbing what he can. He's
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: not really pulling the guys from Missouri, obviously. Again, I
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: want to see a cycle play out here and actually
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 7: see this all come together because You know, I do
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: like to support staff and I do like the coaches
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 7: on staff when they're in the right seat on the bus,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: but like, I need to see it play out a
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: little bit more than just this six or seven month window.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen.
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  Speaker 2: I'll listen. I'm a hundred percent with you guys. And
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: I think you guys nailed it. I think that was
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: a demise of Pete Carroll in Seattle, to be honest
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: with you, like he had great assistance. And then those
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: guys started getting jobs elsewhere, right. As you know, position
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: coaches were now coordinators, coordinators are now head coaches and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: it's hard to replace those. I think you can make
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: that argument with what's going on at Washington. I don't
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: think maybe Jed doesn't have the strongest staff, at least
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: I'm just guessing, right? He's also, there's a lot of
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: things going on. I think Dan Lanning is missing his
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator at Oregon. Oh, boy. Big time. Oh, boy.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Big time is happening. I love the late Bill Dobe,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: but Dobe was great. Dobe started losing guys, and also
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: some guys started taking some time. You know, they didn't
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: do what they needed to do when Bill couldn't be
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: there with his wife being sick. So I'm with you 100%.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good conversation to have down the road. Hopefully
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: we don't have that conversation down the road. uh alex
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: uh go get them this weekend mk you flying down
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: to corvallis.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: No i it's my birthday i'm turning 42 you see
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: the grays right.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: Here god you're the best looking 42 year old i've.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Seen in a long time not 42 brother you are
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: not 42 and that actually is terrifying because i like
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: when i started hearing you guys in your 40s and
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: the kids are growing all that stuff i I'm already old.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Then I feel even older with you two guys. All right. Uh, Alex,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: I spent some, I sent some stuff to my man,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: JT Brown. He's like, this stuff is unbelievable. He's like
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: the most fashion conscious guy in the world. So tell
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: us about Osaga shoes.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: Check out Osaga.com. O S A G A.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: It's a family shoe brand that my grandfather started in
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: the seventies, kind of alongside Nike out of Eugene. And, uh, we,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 7: my brother and I revived it in, uh, around 2020
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 7: and we were making shoes. We're selling them. We're almost
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: sold out of this first batch. We're getting ready to
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: get round two. So check out osaga.com.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: MK is in the Maple Valley office. Hey, if you
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: got a 30% interest rate on a credit card, what
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: do you do?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you right here. Well, if you're consolidating any
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: kind of debt, we got home equity lines of credit.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Definitely help you with that.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: But if you're looking at anything with real estate or mortgages,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: reach out to Team Bruce over here in Maple Valley.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: And then if you're looking for a gym, the Buffalo
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: Gym in Maple Valley is the gym to go.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: To, baby. Better days ahead, boys. We'll talk to you
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: next week.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 7: Thanks.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Talk to you next week. Go Cougs. Go Cougs. That's Alex.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: That's MK. We'll come back. We've got Factor Fiction coming
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  Speaker 2: up next.