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There's Still Problems on the Sets · The Wes Carroll Morning Show

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You're listening to The West Carrol Morning Show. Monday morning, twenty fifth day
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of March. I'm less thanks for joining me. We're really technically already more
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than halfway through spring. I hate to be the you know I talk about
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this already, you get this first day of spring, it's not really it's
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the halfway point. Spring's half over by the time you get to the equinox.
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But I don't know, go check out Made of Stars if you want
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to hear all of the here Sean Cruisin talk, doctor Shawn Cruson talk about
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that. But here on a Monday morning, getting ready to close out this
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final week of the month of March and then roll on into April. This
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is obviously a very special week for Christians. It is, you know,
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the week that leads into Easter, and we're gonna before you know it,
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we're into second quarter, right just by next week, a week from today,
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we're into second quarter and we're rolling on through the year. This one's
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going really fast. It is going very very fast. So you might have
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heard about this documentary series on It's on a couple of places I don't know
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where it originally aired. Let's see if I can find the original. I
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know it's on HBO Max. So it's through the Warner Brothers partnerships, I
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guess, and it was originally the first episode was released back on Saint Patrick's
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Day. So this thing's only been out and it's four episodes, so let's
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see it says all the watch options, Investigation Discovery. I guess, was
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the original or just a Discovery plus one of those two was the first that
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that aired this So but you can't see it on Max. That's where I
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watched it. I think. Did I call it HBO Max? It's not
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that anymore now, it's just called Max. Shows called Quiet on Set the
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Dark Side of Kids TV, And initially the series was released and they focused
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on one guy in particular, who is established himself early on. I'm not
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going to give all of the details of the series away. I'm going to
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glance over some of it, though there's some there's some things in here that
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I'm not gonna go into because I'll let you if you want to watch it.
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I'm just giving you the overall general synopsis of it because I've got something
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else to say. About it. So back in the nineties, okay,
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Nickelodeon, I guess, and eventually Disney Channel decided that they were going to
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start really producing content for kids, tweens and early teenagers. I guess their
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sweet spot was kind of nine to fourteen. Maybe that was the range they
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were aiming for to get kids hooked on TV. When I was a kid,
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I'm a gen X kid. I was born in the mid seventies.
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I was raised primarily. I look at my childhood as an eighties kid.
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Don't remember a lot of the seventies. To be honest, I did go
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to theaters to see the original Superman movie when I was really much too young
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to even be there. But I'm really glad it's cool that I was there.
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I have some memories of it. I'm pretty sure I fell asleep,
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but did go see it in theaters, enjoyed what I remembered, and came
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home talking about to my mom. So because I was just happy, my
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dad took me to the movies to see Superman. The show that when I
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was a kid was the show was you can't do that on television. It
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was a Canadian show. It was produced in a way that kind of gave
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you the impression as a kid that the kids were in charge, the kids
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were making the show, the kids were running things, and it became this
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huge hit for Nickelodeon. It's what eventually led to the sliming and all that
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stuff with Nickelodeon. And I think that knowing that, and probably some of
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the people involved in creating these shows later on in the nineties and into the
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even present were people who in some ways were affected by shows like you Can't
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Do That on television. This isn't addressed in the documentary. This is just
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my feelings on it, because I know if I had the opportunity to create
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a kid show that formula for you Can't Do That on Television would certainly have
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had an influence on how I would have decided to make a kid show for
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that age group, for nine to fourteen year olds. So there's one guy
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in particular that the docu series I guess that's what they call it, focuses
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on pretty much through the whole thing. Now, he's not the main focus
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of all of it, because it gets a little darker as it goes on,
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but a guy named Dan Schneider, And if your kids watched or of
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you maybe watched Good Burger. There was a couple of Good Burger movies.
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It was part of the All That series. It was some characters that came
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out of that series. If they watched All That or maybe the Amanda byne
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Show, whatever that was called, they probably saw this guy, this Dan
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Schneider guy on the shows. He was often he was sort of seen as
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the adult in charge in some of these shows, as there were people on
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You Can't Do That on Television that were the adults. There were about two
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there was a man and a woman who played the two adult roles, and
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that's kind of I guess what this guy was for a lot of these shows.
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Well, this docuseries portrays this guy as being a bit of a monster.
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He got himself in a position of power. He was running things.
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He made people feel uncomfortable, He forced people to do things behind the scenes.
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He forced largely with the adults. They do talk about how there were
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some very adult themed jokes and humor that made it into shows. Scenes where
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you know, young girls, thirteen year old girls, twelve year old girls
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were seen, you know, holding pickles in very inappropriate ways. There's one
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scene where one of the girls I don't know if it was Jamie Lynn Spears,
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Britney's sister, but one of those girls starts talking about how she's trying
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to get the juice out of a potato, and she's holding this potato in
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a very quasi sexual way and she says she's trying to get the juice out
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of it. There are a lot of things that are very adult themed in
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nature, and they say he's the guy behind all that. He's the guy
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who made all of that happen. So he's painted as this villain in all
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of this, and people that worked for him said that they were afraid that
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if they didn't follow instructions, they were going to lose their jobs and never
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work in the industry again. They would be blacklisted, they would be outcasts
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from writing for kids TV. This was the only place to do it.
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Then eventually, obviously Disney comes along and there's opportunities to do that, and
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I'm sure Disney was in the game. Back then. Everybody was trying to
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figure out where they were going to go with kids programming. But this guy
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had a lot of power and he put himself in a position where he was
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getting ratings for kids TV, and they were happy with the work that he
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was doing. They didn't necessarily know or ask questions about what was happening behind
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closed doors. And I want to stress this documentary does not specifically say he
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did anything inappropriate with any of the child actors. There were others who were
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involved that did do things inappropriate with child actors according to the law. Two
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people in particular that are I guess three, but two are really spotlighted as
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people who were arrested and charged with inappropriate conduct with children. That part of
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the series, obviously, is where the major concerns should come from. That's
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where a lot of the talk about the show was coming in. There is
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talk about this Dan Schneider guy. But Dan Schneider other than getting kids to
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do things that most would say, how did this get through approval? How
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did kids wearing these certain types of clothing get approved? Now he has,
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since the series has come out, has said everything went through someone higher than
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me. They were approved by someone. This wasn't all just something that I
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was doing and making all of these decisions on my own. But this guy
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worked on the show a few shows, but one in particular, Drake and
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Josh, if you had kids in that age group at that time, they
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probably watched, especially if you had a girl in your house, they probably
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watched this show. And the two main actors in the series, Josh Peck
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and Drake Bell, well back when the show was in its early stages,
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Drake Bell came out and said that one of the men working on the show
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as a he was a vocal coach. I believe is the title that they
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had for him. And apparently he worked on a number of shows, okay,
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going back to the days of Growing Pains and other shows. And this
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guy at some point managed to get himself into a position where he spent a
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lot of a loan time with this kid, a fourteen fifteen year old kid
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getting his career really off the ground with his first series. He was going
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to have convinced him to get rid of his dad as his manager because his
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dad was very suspicious of this guy, and Brian Peck is his name,
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not related to the Josh Peck guy, but convinced him to get rid of
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his dad as a manager and to have his mom be the manager because the
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mom was not suspicious of Brian Peck. So Brian Peck got himself in a
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position where he was able to do a number of criminal things to this kid,
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this fourteen fifteen year old kid in Drake Bell. Drake Bell opens up
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in this series about it. Back then, he was just kind of on
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his own. He was scared. He didn't know what it was going to
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mean for his career. He didn't know if he could open up about it
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now. One thing in defense in the series talks about this now what all
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happened behind the scenes, who knows, But in defense of this Dan Schneider
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guy, who they paint as a monster who was very inappropriate with the adults
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that worked on the show, Drake Bell said that Dan Schneider reached out to
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him to find out if he was the one who turned in Brian Peck,
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and he told him that it was him, and that basically this Stan Schneider
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guy said, you know, if you need anything for me, let me
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know, and that was kind of the end of it. They felt like
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maybe it was dealt with. They move on. Obviously, this isn't necessarily
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the case of Drake Bell, who not wasn't able to move on from it
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and has struggled with a number of things he himself. Even a year or
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so ago, a couple of years ago faced some charges about an inappropriate some
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sort of inappropriate text messages with an underage girl that happened years ago. I
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don't know all the details about that. That's just that's not talked about very
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much. They sort of graze over it in this docuseriies. But my question
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about all of this is just in looking at the way all of this was
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handled in the way that because this series is designed to shine a light on
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how child actors should be able to trust the adults that are in charge of
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them, and how even their parents should be able to trust the adults that
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are put in charge of them, and they should be able to have opportunities
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and career paths and things in front of them that don't rely on them having
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to give in to the whims of a monster. You shouldn't have to hold
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a pickle in a weird way. They apparently were even having adults. They
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even show a scene of Ray Romano on one of these shows that it was
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given a pickle by a character played by this Brian pet guy. He was
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the Pickle Guy or something, and he gives a pickle through a little hole
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in the wall to the different celebrity guests. Theres a scene of Ray Romano
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taking the pickle and eating the pickle and almost looking like he's enjoying it a
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little too much, obviously not really understanding that there might have been something questionable
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about it. I'm not saying Ray Romano was in any way involved with any
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of the shady behavior. So as I'm watching this, all I can think
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is has anything changed? And I'm not specifically thinking about specifically Nickelodeon, Think
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about what's happened with actors in different studios. Think about I don't know some
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of the actors Gina Carano at Disney. And it's not so much that they
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were asking Gina Carano to hold a pickle in a weird way or try to
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squeeze the juice out of a potato that was very phallic shaped. I'm talking
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about just for having a different opinion than everybody else. I'm talking about Gina
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Carano refusing to use gender pronouns on her Instagram or Twitter pages, because ultimately
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the thing that became the downfall of Gina Carano, who worked for Disney on
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The Mandalorian, which was their biggest show at the time, she wouldn't put
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gender pronouns down. People got upset, how dare you not put gender pronouns
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down? And she said, I don't need to do that. I have
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just the normal ones. I don't need anything special. Oh what's normal?
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What do you mean? And it became a spiral. So she finally put
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beat boop as her pronouns, and people lost their minds, how dare you?
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And they were not going to stop until they got Disney to fire her.
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Then it came out that she voted as a conservative, as a Republican,
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that she supported Trump, that she was against vaccines, that she was
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against the oppressive nature of the way that COVID was handled. Oh my goodness,
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she's got to be fired. They got to get rid of her.
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See, careers are still at stake, it's just in a different way.
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And I'm looking at and again, this is not correlating any of this to
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the pedophilia content of this docuseries, because there were three different people who were
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inappropriate with children, and one of them outwardly calling himself a pedophile. But
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I'm talking about the accusations as it pertains to the showrunner Dan Schneider, and
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how they say, oh, well, he asked the women and the you
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know some of the women were they took lesser salary so that they could work
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on the show, or they had to pretend to do something a certain way
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while they were presenting an idea. He forced to give him massages and things,
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and they didn't think that they could speak out about it because they were
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worried that they would lose their jobs and think about Harvey Weinstein. This is
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where all of this really started to change with this at Nickelodeon was when Me
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Too movement came along and we started to hear stories about actresses. Salma Hayek
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said that she the dream role that she wanted to play was free to callo
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and that she was told by Harvey Weinstein she could only do it if she
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had a nude scene in it, and if it was a nude scene that
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involved her with another woman, and she ultimately gave in because she wanted to
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do the movie. She wanted to do the role, but she didn't feel
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like she would get the role if she said no to that. And that
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is still playing out at a lot of these networks. It's still playing out
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these kind of weird power control moves, and we've learned that folks at Disney
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there's producers that say, well, I'm working in queer content behind the scenes.
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I'll put something in and no one even has to approve it. I
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just slip it in there, and it goes into these shows to these tweens
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because I'm able to do it. I can get it in there, I
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can make that happen. Why why is that important for that audience? Why
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is it important to sexualize things for that audience. That's part of what the
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accusations here about the pickles and the potatoes and splashing water. And there was
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one episode where one of the girls something weird squirted into It was a candy
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and it squirted into Jamie Lynn Spears's face, and everybody said, at the
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time, we thought it was a little weird, And then when we got
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older and we realized exactly what was going on, we went, that's disgusting.
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So why is there still this need behind the scenes to sexualize things in
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that Why is there a need for nine to fourteen year olds to see snuck
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in queer content behind the scenes. And people can't speak up, they can't
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say anything, They're not allowed to they're not allowed to even have a different
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political view. You can't vote a different way. You're not allowed to say
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I don't want to have to specify my pronouns because suddenly your careers in jeopardy.
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Gina Carano is not on the same career trajectory she was on as an
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actress while she was working for Disney. All of that changed. So how
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have things gotten any better? How have things improved? I guess that's a
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question that needs to be asked. As people are saying, wow, this
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is a mind blowing what's going on on the sets of these shows. It's
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still going on, It's just going on in a different way. And the
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power and the control that's there, there's more at stake because now they're trying
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to control how you think, how you vote, what your motives are.
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And still some weird obsession with trying to work in sexualize things with kids.
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More West Carol Morning Show. Right after the break, Ghostbusters Frozen Empire number
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one at the box office for the weekend. We actually made it into a
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family outing and we all four of the Carols went to see it. We
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had a good time. We enjoyed it. Little Ghostbusters nostalgia, a little
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bit of the new era, a little bit of the new cast. Overall,
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liked by everyone in the family. I mean it's a Ghostbusters movie.
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Did better actually than they expected it to. Actually did better than Ghostbusters Afterlife,
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which came out in twenty twenty one forty five point two million for the
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weekend box office. Opening weekend three years ago was forty four million. Dune
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Part two On the Move stayed in second place seventeen point six million. That
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takes the domestic up to two thirty three point four million. Kung Fu Panda
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four dropped down to third place after a couple of weeks at number one.
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The horror movie Immaculate with Sidney Sweeney. She was in that Madam Web movie
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that tanked really badly and that one debuted I guess in third last week dropped
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down to fourth place, and Arthur the King four point four million, just
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behind that one. So there you go. In the indie horror movie Late
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Night with the Devil open in sixth place. And that's just one of the
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new ones. So sad news about Princess Kate the cancer diagnosis. This is
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one of those stories where it feels like sometimes and it's sad, but people
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people in the world, in the Google verse, they get suspicious of something
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and then they don't let up until eventually they forced someone out, someone with
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something very private that they don't want to talk about. And I may talk
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more about this later in the week, but there was speculation for a while.
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Where's she been? Why has she not been in all of the family
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photos? Why does some of the family photos look photoshopped? I understand their
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public figures, it's the very essence of how ridiculous the whole royal family is.
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But it's their thing and they should have some bit of privacy when it
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comes to their health and their well being. But after a lot of people
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saying, well, where is she, where's she been? Why haven't we
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seen her? Is this really her? This person that we're seeing in public
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at this event, is that even really her? Is it a double?
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What's going on? Well? Now, Princess Kate has announced yes she has
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cancer at forty two year old, releasing a video statement on Friday that said
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in January I underwent major abdominal surgery in London and at the time it was
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thought that my condition was non cancerous. The surgery was successful. However,
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tests after the operation found cancer had been present. My medical team there for
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advice that I should undergo a course of preventative chemotherapy, and I am now
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in the early stages of that treatment. She added that the hardest part for
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her and Prince William had been telling their three children. A Palace spokesperson said
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that Kate began chemotherapy in late February and will return to official duties with her
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doctor's clearance whenever that comes along. So again, I get it. You're
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kind of in this role where people feel like they have a right to know
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what's going on in your private life. But do they really? Does anybody
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really have the right to know exactly what's going on with your help at any
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given moment, or do you have some right to privacy just because they've decided
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that you don't. Do they win or do you win? Ultimately? Obviously
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she's come forward and told everybody this very personal thing that and I also have
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feelings. And again, if I do a whole show on this later,
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because this thing with like Liberaci Liberacchi lived his whole life said I'm not gay.
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Soon as he dies, everybody says, ah, he was gay.
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He was gay. We're gonna make movies about how gay he was. If
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the guy wanted to live his life and be a certain thing, even if
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it wasn't true, that's what he wanted. Suddenly everybody gets to go back
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and say, ah, not so fast, this is what we think happened.
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until Wednesday. It's a couple of days away. Are you gonna try one?
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Under normal circumstances, I usually avoid all the specialty oreos if I can
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help it. I try not to do that because to me, there's the
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classic Oreo, then there's the Golden Oreo. I know there's a couple others
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that are okay, I tend to just if I'm gonna eat Oreo, those
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are one of my two. And I actually probably I know this is probably
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isn't this little sacrilege, But I kind of like the Golden oreo better myself,
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but I'm more likely to have vanilla than chocolate ice cream anyway, this
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one I'm sure that I'll try. I will give the churo oreo a shot
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though. That's I like the idea of the cinnamon in there. I like
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churros. We'll see how it goes. That'll do it for this Monday edition
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