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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, August 1 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, August first, this is Jaguars Happy Hour. Hey, now,
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Speaker 1: the only guy in training camp to you out cut
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Speaker 1: that meat? J P. Shut I don't know that was Peyton,
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Speaker 1: Remember he did that commercial Welcome in Jaguars Happy Hour.
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Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick, Jeff Flagman, Tony was Sally. Leon Searcy
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Speaker 1: joins us as well to see the show got better.
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Speaker 1: I had to say this to Leon earlier, and I
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Speaker 1: gotta bring it up to you and the people that
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Speaker 1: are watching. Seriously, You're on the left side. You're you're
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Speaker 1: the book end left tackle here on the table. Leon
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Speaker 1: is the book end tackle on the right side, and
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Speaker 1: you're like, both of them will beat the hell out
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Speaker 1: of you, JP or in the middle. Feel very protected
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Speaker 1: here in the middle, that's for sure. Right plenty to
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Speaker 1: get too of the program. Didn't know how to act
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Speaker 1: if you were flipped right right. Second week of camp
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Speaker 1: well under way of scrimmage coming up tomorrow. We'll delve
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Speaker 1: into the offensive line a bit with the book d
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Speaker 1: tackles here the tight end room. One of the tight
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Speaker 1: ends limped off today. We might have to hear from
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Speaker 1: Doug Moron in the second hour, and the Doug Maron
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Speaker 1: Show tonight to ask him about that. The backup quarterback
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Speaker 1: battle will delve into that. And yes, there's been some
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Speaker 1: social media buzz about the Jaguars All twenty five list
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Speaker 1: in the last day or so. We'll get a couple
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Speaker 1: of guys that are on the list. Thoughts about that.
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Speaker 1: But some breaking news this afternoon just a few minutes ago,
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Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport of NFL Network reporting that Quincy Williams sustained
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Speaker 1: to partially torn meniscus and could miss four to six weeks.
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Speaker 1: He'll have Arthur orthoscopic surgery to go trim the meniscus
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Speaker 1: at that's what Rappaport said. Bad news with the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: for a guy that Doug Marone really talked up over
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Speaker 1: the last week or so about his speed on the field,
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Speaker 1: his football i Q. Everything that come together for this
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Speaker 1: rookie to to run with the ones really the whole offseason.
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Speaker 1: But now he's down for at least a month. That
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Speaker 1: and we didn't anyone see the actual play he got
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Speaker 1: hurt on. I didn't either. Um, the team still hasn't
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Speaker 1: made a report, so this is this is from team
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Speaker 1: comed The team did finally confirm it. Okay, I was
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Speaker 1: coming up here earlier I did not. Okay, so it's
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Speaker 1: just minutes ago. So it is confirmed, and it's uh, listen,
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a loss. He's just starting. Uh, he's
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Speaker 1: starting with a linebacker with no telling Smith he brings
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Speaker 1: you know that. So there was a void there that
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Speaker 1: he stood out more than any line and he did.
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Speaker 1: He's probably playing better than any other linebackers. But if
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get hurt, this is the right time to
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Speaker 1: get hurt for rookie, you know what I'm saying. But
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's bad no matter what. But yes,
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Speaker 1: you'd like him to have the reps, but get hurt
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Speaker 1: when there's no games. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. But
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Speaker 1: the learning curve for rookie, it's very important, especially doing
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Speaker 1: training cap and he's one of the guys that definitely
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Speaker 1: stood out to me in training camp. I mean being
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Speaker 1: a rookie being on every play, I mean just going downhill,
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Speaker 1: you know, making you know, making his reason, all that
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I mean, he to me, he was
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Speaker 1: the most impressive guys on the defense side of the
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Speaker 1: ball as far as going down and making place. And
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Speaker 1: now is unfortunately, I think it actually saw a play
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Speaker 1: where he got I'm not I'm not sure if he
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Speaker 1: got a girl on that play where he got truck
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Speaker 1: you got not granted the offensive lineman had his hands
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Speaker 1: on him, but the running back game and the whole
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Speaker 1: and that was another rookie exactly that it was. He
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Speaker 1: did get truck on the helmet, would fine, it was
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Speaker 1: on the sidelines, but I don't know. He came back
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Speaker 1: and practiced after that. I don't know if he was
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Speaker 1: finally the interesting thing watching him and particularly in yesterday's
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Speaker 1: practice and leon Leon and I were talking about a
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Speaker 1: little bit while you were off, you know, getting your pedicure,
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Speaker 1: the pedic here. I've had one pedicure in my life
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Speaker 1: and I hated it. My wife made me get it. It
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Speaker 1: It was the most uncomfortable thing I've ever done. The
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Speaker 1: thought that you really didn't want to please continue. It's
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Speaker 1: not but you know much I wasn't getting a pedicure.
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Speaker 1: Quincy Williams seems to be the one guy on the
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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball that doesn't understand that you
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Speaker 1: don't touch Leonard four Nette well good. He's come up
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Speaker 1: and he's thumped Leonard a couple of times, and Leonard
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Speaker 1: didn't like it back at him. No, No, I mean
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Speaker 1: one time he got up in a hurry and was
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Speaker 1: going to confront him, but then Quincy Williams is so fast.
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Speaker 1: Even when the plays over, he was already on the
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Speaker 1: way back to the huddle, so there was no confrontation.
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Speaker 1: And it was interesting because the very next play is
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Speaker 1: a past play four net still in the game, and
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Speaker 1: Quincy's coming on a blitz and was looking him up
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Speaker 1: and he would he was trying to level him on
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Speaker 1: the blitz and he missed and he missed. So there's
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Speaker 1: been a little bit of a a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a contentious nature with Quincy Williams and Leonard Fournette and
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Speaker 1: practice Quincy and the wrong no football, So it's pads. No,
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Speaker 1: he's not wrong. I like a rook at that doesn't
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Speaker 1: know any better. Don't show anybody pre for Ristard treatment.
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Speaker 1: Youre trying to make a team running backs get hit. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: did I miss something? Leonard do something that the last
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Speaker 1: couple of years I missed, Like he has like some
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Speaker 1: preferential treatment and not supposed touching. Did I miss it?
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Speaker 1: He hasn't learned the red jersey yet. It was funny
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Speaker 1: to watch it though, because he's a young player. He flies,
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Speaker 1: he's practicing hard. That's what you want your young players
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Speaker 1: to do. I mean, that's the kind of a player
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Speaker 1: that you want, the kind of you might slow down
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Speaker 1: and say, hey, look, let's just slow down just a
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Speaker 1: little bit. But from what I've seen out of him
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Speaker 1: so far, he's doing a fantastic job. And a lot
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Speaker 1: of people criticize him because they think he's small. He's
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Speaker 1: not small. He's shorter, okay, but his size. I mean
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Speaker 1: he's two hundred and thirty pounds and he is length
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Speaker 1: and yeah, and he's got I'm like, but he's he's
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Speaker 1: got a great knack for timing. He's got a great
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Speaker 1: knack for angles when he's going to the football. He's
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Speaker 1: fun to watch him, and it's it's unfortunate that he's
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Speaker 1: gonna miss the time because it's a critical time for rookies.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he needs this time in the defense. But
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Speaker 1: at the same token, they signed a bunch of veterans
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Speaker 1: in the all season. I'm one of these guys got
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Speaker 1: to be able to step up or or are they
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Speaker 1: are they downing up Telvin going They're not. I mean,
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Speaker 1: so we sit here today, how many days till opening opening, Uh, Sunday.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, you want any come? What is it?
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Speaker 1: It's four and half weeks what's called five? Four to six?
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Speaker 1: If now, if they just have to trim it, guys
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Speaker 1: have literally played the same week certain positions. Now, if
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Speaker 1: you just have to trim the edges or something, because
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Speaker 1: he's getting stuck in there, the rehab isn't hard. Now
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Speaker 1: if you have to go do extensive maybe repair it
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Speaker 1: or do something else like that, then you get into
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Speaker 1: the longer period of time. We have to be careful
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Speaker 1: because you're doing a more repair repair job. So they're
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Speaker 1: not gonna know what the damages that meniscacce do they
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Speaker 1: get in there. Let's hope for the best that it's minor.
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Speaker 1: He can be back in four weeks. Maybe you could
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Speaker 1: practice in get a four week of practice before the
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Speaker 1: first game, you know, the learning curve. Leon is right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a rookie. You need all the reps
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Speaker 1: you can. But I'm just saying, you know, Jeff, I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's all about where the meniscas. It depends on the
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Speaker 1: severity of it. I mean, because if it's nothing serious,
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Speaker 1: I mean, like you just said, two or three weeks.
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Speaker 1: He could be back on the field, could be could
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Speaker 1: be speed, you know, half maybe mentally, but but the
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Speaker 1: mental reps, I mean, look, we all know the mental
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Speaker 1: reps aren't like what it's like when you take real reps.
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Speaker 1: I came in the league as a linebacker and I
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Speaker 1: was hold out till I think the second first or
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Speaker 1: second preseason game, and so kind of similar to where
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be missing time. At least he's had some
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Speaker 1: exposure already in training camp. And I can tell you this,
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Speaker 1: after the first game, I was named a starter because
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Speaker 1: I'm an injury to the linebacker that was playing ahead
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Speaker 1: of me. And in the second week, I'm a starter.
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Speaker 1: In my head was swimming swimming. That's because I mean,
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Speaker 1: you're not very smart. Probably so, but I mean it
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Speaker 1: wasn't easy. I mean it's look, it's it's hard to
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Speaker 1: learn a new system. I don't in your rookie year.
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Speaker 1: It's easier if you're in year four or five, six.
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Speaker 1: Get I'll say this though, watching the kid on the field,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't look overwhelmed. It doesn't look I don't see
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Speaker 1: a lot of mental airs. You're not hearing a bunch
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Speaker 1: of mental airs from him. You watch him, he's playing fast.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't feel like to me. And obviously
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Speaker 1: the more they put in you get in the game
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Speaker 1: week and all the preparation is a lot more. Jeff,
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Speaker 1: you're talking about, but I haven't seen the kid who's
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Speaker 1: playing slow thinking. He's playing as fast as anyone dugs
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Speaker 1: head of himself, which would tell you he's absorbing the
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Speaker 1: mental side of it so he can just go out
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Speaker 1: there and react. Now getting the game game situation, everything changes.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to have about seven of him playing special
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Speaker 1: teams who all the time happy. So Quincy Williams four
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Speaker 1: to six weeks, partially toward meniscus the breaking news. This afternoon.
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Jaguars defensive end, spoke with the media after
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Speaker 1: practice today. It's his first NFL training camp and he's
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Speaker 1: learning from one of the best alongside him. Oh man,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's Clay's Campbell. You know what You've seen
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Speaker 1: his word, You've seen he's been doing for the last
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Speaker 1: ten plus years. Uh So, having a guy like that,
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Speaker 1: I wants to teach me, and I wants you know
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Speaker 1: that wants then that needs me. Man, It's obviously I'm
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Speaker 1: gonn listen to anything he tells me to do, and
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Speaker 1: when and what he's telling me to do, I can
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Speaker 1: do it. So when I do do it, he's making
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Speaker 1: a play and I'm making a play. We're gonna be
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Speaker 1: on stoppable duo. What's your first impressions of Josh Allen
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Speaker 1: and training camp so far? Guys, le on, what do
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Speaker 1: you think? Oh? I love his side. That size. I
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Speaker 1: want to say he's bracking Ish only by his built
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Speaker 1: none of the wiggle. That He's far from Tony Brackets now,
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Speaker 1: but his size reminds me a lot of Brackens. As
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Speaker 1: far as the lusimus in his ability to get around
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Speaker 1: offensive tackles, that's yet to be seen. But the smartest
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Speaker 1: thing he ever said on that the whole that tellercast
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Speaker 1: was that he's learning from class Campbell. I mean, what
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Speaker 1: what a person to learn from someone who's got the
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Speaker 1: leadership qualities. The enthusiasm has been the league so long.
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Speaker 1: I mean I was the same when I came into
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Speaker 1: a rookie tounch. He told me, he asked me a question,
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Speaker 1: he said, do you get here here for the short term?
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Speaker 1: On the long term? So the long term, he said, well,
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Speaker 1: do whatever I say, And I did. Okay, it's pretty good.
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Speaker 1: Ad you know, uh, I ain't search said it best.
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Speaker 1: I mean he's big, long, athletic. I mean he looks
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Speaker 1: the partner's bigger than I thought. He is big and
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be it. We'll get to the past in
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Speaker 1: a second. He rushes. I mean he plays to run
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Speaker 1: pretty good. He's physical. Now he's got well, he's got
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Speaker 1: some things to learn on. I'm not saying this is learning,
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Speaker 1: but he is a physical presence where he can sit
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Speaker 1: and take on a block. Well, he's got the size
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Speaker 1: to be able to do it. But yesterday, Leon, we're
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Speaker 1: doing half line, doing half line half lines yesterday. And
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Speaker 1: so what Josh did at Kentucky was essentially was an
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Speaker 1: edge player, and only an edge player. He always set
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Speaker 1: the edge that he was a forced player. Well, in
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Speaker 1: this defense, with the position that he's gonna play, he's
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Speaker 1: got to learn how to play inside. I have a
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Speaker 1: tight end, which we call a six off. That's a
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Speaker 1: totally different thing. He's in length, he's gonna but he's
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Speaker 1: got unique to forty Yeah, and then just better at it.
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Speaker 1: He's gotten better. But it just signs I mean there's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a learning curve. On and just because the
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Speaker 1: techniques are a little bit different. But he's man, he's
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Speaker 1: got the toolbox. But here's the one thing that he
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Speaker 1: does was most rookies do. Is he's running right down
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Speaker 1: the middle of guys too much in the past, rush
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Speaker 1: to change. What do you mean by that? Meaning if
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Speaker 1: all good passengers play an edge, they play they play
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Speaker 1: half a man, so they're always on the edge. Because
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Speaker 1: if you run down the middle, but off of the tackle,
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Speaker 1: that's what we want. You gotta get on the edge
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Speaker 1: and make big men move their feet and get them
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Speaker 1: to turn their hips and get them, you know, out
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Speaker 1: of their comfort zone. And he has not learned to
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Speaker 1: do that yet. You see it at times like if
12:18
Speaker 1: I was like, well he should do he should work
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Speaker 1: on speed, speed, speed, speed, power because he has the
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Speaker 1: size and he has a speed. You get the speed.
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Speaker 1: Getting a tackle band on a little bit, you're gonna
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Speaker 1: have speed, the power. He's gonna be effective and then
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Speaker 1: you know, but he has some times you watch the
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Speaker 1: one of the ones, you watch him and the team stuff.
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Speaker 1: He has some nice counter moves. He uses his hands,
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Speaker 1: but it's just inconsistence. Though, what do you expect the
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Speaker 1: young guy? But you guys, remember when you were going
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Speaker 1: against who's who's the dominant pass rusher in Pittsburgh when
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Speaker 1: you got Kevin Kevin Kevin Green. Okay, and you so
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Speaker 1: so like the first time your first camp, first week,
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Speaker 1: which is where we are with Josh Allen, and you
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Speaker 1: know we're talking about how Josh sometimes goes down the
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Speaker 1: middle of a guy. The quality of the athlete that
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Speaker 1: you're going against, whether you're offensive tackle or defensive, then
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Speaker 1: it's totally I was just gonna say that I probably
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Speaker 1: the worst thing, not the worst thing. I just wish
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen was a benefactor of better tackles because that
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Speaker 1: would make him a better hand. Like Juwan Taylor being
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Speaker 1: the right tackle having to go up against Calais and
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Speaker 1: Josh and hopefully Unique when he gets here, it's gonna
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Speaker 1: make him a better offensive linement because he's gonna be
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Speaker 1: going up against better, you know, better pass rushes. As
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Speaker 1: far as Josh olives go, he might be lower to
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Speaker 1: sleep because he's going up against Jowan Taylor. He's going
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Speaker 1: up against a boy and not a knock on him.
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Speaker 1: Joan Taylor might be the best taf facing j Taylor
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Speaker 1: might be the best tackle, but he's a kie. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I'm saying, but I'm just saying, Josh could be
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Speaker 1: to sleep and then thinking if he's beating those kind
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Speaker 1: of guys. When it gets closer to Sunday, he goes
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Speaker 1: up against better quality offensive linement, it's gonna be night
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Speaker 1: and day, which is gonna be a great experience for
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Speaker 1: him and all the other rookies this week coming up,
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Speaker 1: going to Baltimore, going against a different team. That's the
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Speaker 1: nice thing about doing Baltimore's Ronnie Stanley first round pick,
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Speaker 1: first round pick. Now, here's the problem going to get Baltimore,
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Speaker 1: no right, But here's the thing the problem with Baltimore.
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Speaker 1: You're gonna get a non traditional look this week. You're
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Speaker 1: gonna give a like a greed option college style offense
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Speaker 1: where John Harball came out and said, like he's gonna run.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna run our quarterback more than a hundred and
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Speaker 1: forty times. He's gonna have more than hundred forty rushes
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Speaker 1: this year. He's gonna have running back number of carries.
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Speaker 1: And they brought in the offensive coordinator from who's there,
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Speaker 1: and so you're gonna gonna get the traditional drop back
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Speaker 1: where you can get some pass rushes and get some
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Speaker 1: different things. You'll have some of it, but it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be a completely different game. You have to play read option.
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Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see how these teams. Two
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Speaker 1: teams practice because of the styles that Baltimore plays. All right,
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Speaker 1: let's come back, guys. We've got plenty to discuss. We'll
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Speaker 1: get into the tight ends when we come back. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna talk offensive line and talk about these tackles. I
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Speaker 1: don't know, you off at the bit to talk about
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Speaker 1: R J P. Shadrick, Tony was Sully, Jeff Flogging, and
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Speaker 1: Leon Searcy joining us for the first time. You're doing
19:22
Speaker 1: preseason TV Leon this year. I know I had to
19:25
Speaker 1: ask these guys for advice because you know they already
19:27
Speaker 1: veterans in this game, so I'm trying to get some
19:29
Speaker 1: point of Jeff and I have a face for radio.
19:32
Speaker 1: Leon has the face for TV. That's yourself. I don't
19:36
Speaker 1: know if you realize you're not you're on radio. No
19:38
Speaker 1: one's ever asked you you got you did TV until
19:40
Speaker 1: you get fired by Fox on radio right now fired.
19:43
Speaker 1: We're on on a TV too. Yeah, I got got
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Speaker 1: go to listen. Then he said, listen, you get your
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Speaker 1: better at radio face for radio. But now you're on
19:53
Speaker 1: the national radio. This is what you had to look
19:57
Speaker 1: forward to. Offensive line talk here. Guys have been talking
20:02
Speaker 1: about it, talking about it, you know. Doug Maron said
20:04
Speaker 1: the other day, Hey, you know what, John Taylor is
20:07
Speaker 1: the right tackle. We're leaving him there. He the guy.
20:10
Speaker 1: He's the best tackle on the roster right now, the
20:13
Speaker 1: best tackle right now. He's the best tackle, plug and
20:16
Speaker 1: play starter. It was a great pick. He's he's better
20:21
Speaker 1: than I thought he was gonna be. Too. His feet
20:23
Speaker 1: are better than I thought they were after watching him strong. Yeah,
20:26
Speaker 1: and he's powerful in this stands. And I heard Leon
20:30
Speaker 1: on one of these on his show in the afternoon
20:33
Speaker 1: one day. Uh, he still clamps with his hands a
20:37
Speaker 1: little bit. He gets his hands outside outside. Yeah, he's
20:41
Speaker 1: not a real true puncher yet. Um, but he's powerful
20:45
Speaker 1: enough to get away with it. What you like, because
20:48
Speaker 1: there's not I mean, there's like real punchers. Leon was
20:51
Speaker 1: like a true puncher, like he would jar your teeth
20:53
Speaker 1: when he punched it. And then I mean everyone does
20:55
Speaker 1: a little bit different. And he needs to get a
20:57
Speaker 1: better punch. You get his hands hands and side doesn't
21:00
Speaker 1: for holding and different things like that. We would you
21:02
Speaker 1: like to see. Even when his hands aren't perfect, he
21:05
Speaker 1: has the power and the strength to sit it down
21:09
Speaker 1: and still slow guys down. I've been impressed with him.
21:11
Speaker 1: The only thing, the only thing I worry about is
21:14
Speaker 1: he jumps that count close. I mean he is he
21:16
Speaker 1: anticipated there. He doesn't need it. Yeah, I know he doesn't.
21:22
Speaker 1: Mean a lot of times you see a guy do
21:25
Speaker 1: that because he's not He can't kick, and he can't
21:27
Speaker 1: cover the space. He doesn't need that cheap now, he doesn't.
21:31
Speaker 1: I mean he's he Most guys do that kind of
21:33
Speaker 1: stuff because they're not fluent enough or that they're trying
21:36
Speaker 1: to get to a certain point that they figured that
21:37
Speaker 1: if he cannot get them too. But he's quick enough,
21:40
Speaker 1: he's powerful enough. He sets his angle real real, real quick.
21:43
Speaker 1: The only thing that I'm concerned about him somewhat is
21:46
Speaker 1: that he drifts, has a tendency to drift backwards because
21:49
Speaker 1: he's doing so powerful that he can lock you in.
21:51
Speaker 1: But if you got a guy right then and there,
21:53
Speaker 1: just just stop him right there. That's the only little
21:55
Speaker 1: real knock to have a one like Sam Carris, hands
21:57
Speaker 1: a little higher, But like Tony said, he does have
22:00
Speaker 1: a Tennessee. They want to get outside. That's when you
22:02
Speaker 1: get the holding calls and all that kind of stuff.
22:04
Speaker 1: But as I don't know if he's fortunate and unfortunate
22:08
Speaker 1: that our rookie right tap was the best linement team.
22:11
Speaker 1: But Lee and all the things you said as negative,
22:14
Speaker 1: the drifting, the hand, those are all fixable. Like his feet,
22:18
Speaker 1: like the most important thing. Like Cam Robinson, very good athlete,
22:22
Speaker 1: everything else, but from day one he talked about it.
22:24
Speaker 1: I was worried about his feet and his footwork because
22:27
Speaker 1: he dropped a lot of it. He had really bad habits.
22:29
Speaker 1: Taylor doesn't have any. I mean, his feet are solid.
22:32
Speaker 1: The little things that Leon just described all accurate. I
22:35
Speaker 1: agree with every his all sessment. But those are all
22:37
Speaker 1: things you can work on fix. I mean, those are
22:40
Speaker 1: not huge deals. So let me ask you guys a question.
22:44
Speaker 1: Joan Taylor is clearly gonna be the start it right. Yes, yes,
22:46
Speaker 1: it's a done deal. Now you have Josh Well, Cedrico boy,
22:51
Speaker 1: he camera Robinson not practicing yet, do you go ahead
22:54
Speaker 1: and create competition and left tackle with Cedrico Boy Hee
22:58
Speaker 1: and Robinson because the Brianna he is. First of all,
23:00
Speaker 1: Kim Robinson is not practicing yet. Cam Robinson was not
23:04
Speaker 1: having a Banner camp. Banner started the year last year
23:08
Speaker 1: prior to the injury cedric O boyhe hash has talent.
23:13
Speaker 1: I mean, former first rounder, former first rounder who probably
23:15
Speaker 1: would have been great feat if he didn't have an injury.
23:18
Speaker 1: I think of Texas that him for A and M
23:22
Speaker 1: if he didn't set him back. So and you need
23:24
Speaker 1: a tackle maybe for the opener right now, I mean
23:27
Speaker 1: maybe you don't know. I mean so now. Dug Ron
23:29
Speaker 1: did say that they talking about the plan for Cam
23:32
Speaker 1: maybe next week. I think, I think, I think, I
23:35
Speaker 1: think three week three preseason. Should the plan be not
23:39
Speaker 1: like Plan B free agency, but should the plan be
23:43
Speaker 1: create competition exactly, create competition at left hack Cam Robinson battle. Yes, yes, yeah,
23:49
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. I also agree that I also
23:54
Speaker 1: believe that Cam not Robinson not being a camp right
23:57
Speaker 1: now is a little sorry to me because like the
24:00
Speaker 1: stuff you just talked about earlier, the fact that he
24:03
Speaker 1: came in his technique fundamental is already such bad. He
24:06
Speaker 1: is a great athlete. It was his rookie year last
24:08
Speaker 1: year it was his second year and he got hurt.
24:11
Speaker 1: Now I'm concerned about that because if it was Tony
24:14
Speaker 1: Baselly when he came back a two thousand and Tony
24:17
Speaker 1: doesn't have doesn't need training camp because his skills set
24:20
Speaker 1: I trust on week one. But the camera, obviously, I
24:22
Speaker 1: would just like to see a little bit. I would
24:25
Speaker 1: feel a lot more comfortable if I knew that he
24:26
Speaker 1: was practicing. I agree, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. His
24:31
Speaker 1: foot work really worried me. It's not like his great
24:34
Speaker 1: hand placement, his angles get bad. He he actually uses
24:37
Speaker 1: his athletic ability side to get away for a lot
24:39
Speaker 1: of stuff because he is long. We're watching him right now.
24:42
Speaker 1: He looks good moving there on the TV UM. But
24:44
Speaker 1: I love him. I actually liked him. Tough, tough, tough, tough.
24:49
Speaker 1: But here's the problems. Right now, he's not out there.
24:52
Speaker 1: I think he'll be there for the third preseason game.
24:54
Speaker 1: The way he is a really good athlete. He's a
24:57
Speaker 1: big man, now, really big man. Here's here's the problem.
25:02
Speaker 1: This is why isn't there anymore? Not physical? Didn't handle
25:06
Speaker 1: power well and struggled first round, got cut. I've seen
25:11
Speaker 1: nothing that changed that. Now if he gets speed, finesse rushers,
25:15
Speaker 1: He's gonna be fine because of his length and his
25:17
Speaker 1: foot feetwork for work. I do worry again the power.
25:20
Speaker 1: What happens when these some of these get some of
25:22
Speaker 1: these big defensive ends, you know, and start pressing the
25:25
Speaker 1: edge and powering him like the class. He's gonna get
25:31
Speaker 1: plenty of work on that by Josh Wells, same problem,
25:34
Speaker 1: and he can't stay healthy. And so left tackle is
25:37
Speaker 1: a major issue right now on this team. I'll say
25:42
Speaker 1: this two beat the five positions up front. If I
25:48
Speaker 1: would ask you what what to what like, rank where
25:51
Speaker 1: you feel best from like I feel the most confidence
25:53
Speaker 1: to the least confidence and okay, center Brendon Linder most Okay,
26:01
Speaker 1: well hold on not practicing again. No, I'm just saying
26:03
Speaker 1: over overall big picture, right tackle second number two for yes,
26:09
Speaker 1: rookie right tackle. I'm just telling you from watching left guard,
26:13
Speaker 1: right guard, left tackle. Wow, I'm just telling you right now.
26:16
Speaker 1: I mean watching and what I've seen in camp so
26:21
Speaker 1: far this year, just for this year, my confidence level,
26:25
Speaker 1: that's where I'm putting it about the same way. Send
26:29
Speaker 1: the right tackle, left guard, right guard. I just wish
26:35
Speaker 1: Lendard could stay healthy and play. So are you saying
26:37
Speaker 1: you put right tackle that I'm hearing. I'm not quite
26:43
Speaker 1: going there yet, but but I mean, it is a
26:44
Speaker 1: little bit concerning that Lendard hasn't been able to play
26:47
Speaker 1: sixteen games. I mean, this is no it's fair. You
26:50
Speaker 1: expect him to be the guy. Well, here's the thing
26:52
Speaker 1: that we've seen them because if if he hasn't been
26:58
Speaker 1: able to play sixteen games. Now, are you in the
27:01
Speaker 1: back of your mind when you're trying to configure this roster,
27:03
Speaker 1: are you sitting there saying to yourself, well, we know
27:05
Speaker 1: that Lennard hasn't been able to play sixteen games. So
27:07
Speaker 1: are you thinking, Okay, maybe we need to keep somebody
27:10
Speaker 1: that's a true backup center on this roster because of that? Possibly?
27:14
Speaker 1: I mean, you know they moved Canada to I was
27:16
Speaker 1: just gonna go there exactly. They moved Canada center. I
27:19
Speaker 1: saw a lot doing team period or whatever, the second
27:22
Speaker 1: team stuff. He's getting some repect. See if you can
27:24
Speaker 1: do it, which, by the way, his shotgun snaps, um,
27:29
Speaker 1: we're not. I mean, that's that's like the word. That's
27:31
Speaker 1: like the hardest thing to do. That's wraps. That's just practice.
27:34
Speaker 1: He's not I could be. And I said this to
27:37
Speaker 1: code people today because I still worry about a j
27:40
Speaker 1: right guard in the sense of his staying habits of
27:45
Speaker 1: leaning and reaching have not changed since they didn't do
27:49
Speaker 1: that last year. Yes, he did, watch try to talk
27:53
Speaker 1: about how he gets so much change and camp he
27:56
Speaker 1: did it progressed back to old habits. I actually think
28:01
Speaker 1: this offensive line might be better with a j Can
28:06
Speaker 1: at center and Linder at guard. And Jeff said this
28:08
Speaker 1: for a while that he thinks Linda might be a
28:11
Speaker 1: would be a better guard than center. He might be,
28:14
Speaker 1: he might be a better guard than center. But I've
28:17
Speaker 1: always my belief has always been if you have a
28:19
Speaker 1: choice of putting your best player at a guard or
28:21
Speaker 1: a center position, you always choose to put him at center. Well, now,
28:24
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28:27
Speaker 1: three four, you're right. My point is a j Can
28:32
Speaker 1: I thought he I thought he's he's not better than
28:34
Speaker 1: Lender at center. I'm not saying that, but I think
28:36
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28:38
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28:42
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28:44
Speaker 1: people are gonna be tackle heavy and and give them
28:48
Speaker 1: flexibility with what they do with Tyler Shatley because right now,
28:52
Speaker 1: the last several years, he has made this roster because
28:54
Speaker 1: he's the only backup center. Alrkay, So let's come back.
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33:35
Speaker 1: Quincy out bour to six weeks, has to have surgery
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Speaker 1: up tomorrow morning, seven fifty five am. Scrimmage tomorrow. Yes,
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Speaker 1: you know. Why do you know why it's moved early?
34:29
Speaker 1: Why is that? Um, I'm not gonna. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if I'm a privilege session. You just brought it up.
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Speaker 1: I think, and I think Doug's go. Doug is leaving
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34:44
Speaker 1: Why because he coached Kevin, and Kevin invited all his
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Speaker 1: I Doug has to catch a fight to get up there.
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Speaker 1: Uh be up there. And if I wasn't supposed to
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Speaker 1: say that, I apologize. We'll find out in thirty But
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Speaker 1: I figured people see him up there, so it'll be
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Speaker 1: like knowing that he's there. I think. Um, I believe
35:06
Speaker 1: the team's off Saturday anyway. Yeah, they're off set. That's why. Yeah,
35:08
Speaker 1: they're off Saturday. So we're seven. I'm glad you guys
35:12
Speaker 1: mentioned that I had no idea. Yeah, right and early
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Speaker 1: you're bringing breakfast logs that I didn't know that now
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Speaker 1: you know? Now you know. Uh, we we heard the
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Speaker 1: news there for about Quincy Williams four to six weeks.
35:26
Speaker 1: There's another Jaguars player that limped off today, and that
35:28
Speaker 1: was Josh Oliver, the rookie tight end. There's no official
35:31
Speaker 1: news on that yet. We'll hear from Doug Maron and
35:33
Speaker 1: the Doug Marone Show coming up at the top of
35:35
Speaker 1: the hour. We'll ask him about it and see what
35:36
Speaker 1: he has to say. But this tight end room, you know,
35:39
Speaker 1: there's a lot of new faces in there. Jeff Swain,
35:42
Speaker 1: free agent guy from Dallas. Oliver was looking very good.
35:46
Speaker 1: We'll see the status of him moving forward here after that.
35:50
Speaker 1: Where's this tight end room for you guys? I can
35:52
Speaker 1: I can let me let me say who the best
35:54
Speaker 1: why tight end end line tight end, because there's any
35:59
Speaker 1: you have an F, you have why and in some
36:00
Speaker 1: cases we have a tight end it's called an H.
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Speaker 1: So why is the guy that lines up right next
36:07
Speaker 1: to the offensive tackle on the line of scrimage, and
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Speaker 1: F is a guy that can be a move guy.
36:12
Speaker 1: He's a wing, he's emotional lot and H is a
36:14
Speaker 1: guy that can be also a move guy in the
36:16
Speaker 1: backfields like a fullback. Anyway, I think the best true
36:20
Speaker 1: why that's for me in training camp so far is
36:23
Speaker 1: this rookie from Tulane That is Charles Jones who's about
36:27
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty five pounds, and he's shown so far
36:32
Speaker 1: he's the best blocking tight end of the group. Yeah
36:36
Speaker 1: blocking ye, not overall type ye. Swain is the most
36:40
Speaker 1: is the most best all around typle Yes. Watching him move,
36:45
Speaker 1: he's a he's a above average. He's a good blocker,
36:49
Speaker 1: not great. H. He's an adequate blocker and he uses
36:52
Speaker 1: his body very well. Swain in the passing game. We're
36:55
Speaker 1: looking at the rookie from Tulane right now. Did you
36:56
Speaker 1: see they had two touchdown catching today's practice Jones? Yeah,
37:01
Speaker 1: one in the red area and one of them was
37:03
Speaker 1: a tough catch contested cats that he made. The other
37:06
Speaker 1: one was kind of an easy catch. But what has
37:08
Speaker 1: impressed me so far with him is that his ability
37:11
Speaker 1: to block. He has been excellent as a blocker so far.
37:16
Speaker 1: Usually rookies come in and and they're kind of overwhelmed
37:20
Speaker 1: with the physical size and the competitive nature of being
37:22
Speaker 1: a blocker. As a tight end, it takes time. He
37:26
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have an adjustment period at all. Could
37:29
Speaker 1: there be guys, could there'll be three new let's say
37:32
Speaker 1: they keep three tight ends, maybe four as one of
37:36
Speaker 1: the fullback. Uh, even if there's four, could there be
37:41
Speaker 1: four completely new tight ends? Me? Could the tight end
37:44
Speaker 1: room be void of anyone else on the roster is
37:51
Speaker 1: going to make it? And then this young kid he's
37:54
Speaker 1: blocking and continues block like he's doing, He's gonna make it.
37:58
Speaker 1: So now you've got three maybe on the outside looking
38:00
Speaker 1: in is Kayak and O'Shaughnessy. Yeah, now'n ask you a question.
38:05
Speaker 1: Has has you know we all know Nick Foles from
38:07
Speaker 1: his days with the Eagles he loves tight ends. Now,
38:09
Speaker 1: has he gotten a rapport within these guys that he
38:11
Speaker 1: feels comfortable enough to think? Yeah? I don't think there's
38:15
Speaker 1: any one guy who stood out. I think Swain's the
38:17
Speaker 1: guy who has stood up most of me watching the connection,
38:20
Speaker 1: especially in the red red area with Nick Foles. But
38:23
Speaker 1: I think that Josh oliver injury really hurts is because
38:27
Speaker 1: if you watch Nick Foles, he likes that f the
38:30
Speaker 1: guy who can get down the seams, stretched the middle
38:32
Speaker 1: of the field of Zach ERT's type of player, and
38:35
Speaker 1: I think that's what they're hoping for from Josh Oliver
38:39
Speaker 1: to be that move tight end, work the seams, work
38:43
Speaker 1: in space, a bigger body that Nick Foles is really
38:46
Speaker 1: comfortable with. So I think that's where that really does hurt.
38:49
Speaker 1: He's not he's not He's not a blocker. Oh No,
38:52
Speaker 1: He's a move guy. He's a guy with Jones, right.
38:58
Speaker 1: I mean, that's gonna be the hard thankful young tiding
39:01
Speaker 1: to come in, especially against defensive ends. It's set the edge,
39:05
Speaker 1: you know, set the edge, especially over the exactly an
39:10
Speaker 1: if he said good and now if he had opportunities
39:12
Speaker 1: at the age on Calais, I mean, that's that's a
39:14
Speaker 1: pretty good job. Because I haven't seen him around. Nobody sits.
39:28
Speaker 1: It's amazing that the Charles Jones story. He was undrafted,
39:31
Speaker 1: he tried out during rookie minicamp for this team. He
39:35
Speaker 1: wasn't even on the team, and they signed him after
39:37
Speaker 1: the three day rookie mini which is amazing, so that
39:40
Speaker 1: nobody picked him up. Right now, he's one of my
39:43
Speaker 1: two hidden gems. Who's your other? Kay? Later? Oh, let's
39:48
Speaker 1: I didn't see that. How much later? I don't know,
39:51
Speaker 1: run down, we only got twenty minutes. How much later
39:54
Speaker 1: we're going. We know what. Let's get to it. Let's
39:56
Speaker 1: get to it now. Since you brought it up, this
40:00
Speaker 1: Jim Charles Jones from Tulane undrafted taught him out of
40:04
Speaker 1: a rookie. He's apparently the best tight end on the roster.
40:08
Speaker 1: He's not WHOA, he's not the best tight end. He
40:10
Speaker 1: said he's the bucks blocking best. He's not the best
40:14
Speaker 1: tight end of the roster. Not my opinion. Other we're
40:19
Speaker 1: the highly anticipated Jeff Loguman's second hidden Jim and I
40:22
Speaker 1: don't want to make and I don't know exactly how
40:24
Speaker 1: to pronounce his first name is Tyree or is it tyre?
40:27
Speaker 1: It's Tyree Tyree Brady the rookie from Marshall Wide receiver
40:33
Speaker 1: number nineteen, number nineteen, which a lot of times we've
40:35
Speaker 1: probably confused him with Chris Connelly being eighteen. We go, hey,
40:39
Speaker 1: that was a nice job by Connelly, and you look
40:40
Speaker 1: and you go, wait a minute, that's nineteen. And he's
40:44
Speaker 1: got size six three about two ten. He's got great hands,
40:49
Speaker 1: he has uh catch radius. Okay, Tony, use that term again.
40:55
Speaker 1: You care to explain it again. I'm not explaining again
40:57
Speaker 1: because you keep on using terms you're talking except for us.
41:01
Speaker 1: But I mean, how many times have you seen him
41:03
Speaker 1: make a catch? A lot? I mean he's making a
41:05
Speaker 1: lot of catches. So when the quarterbacks are thrown his way,
41:08
Speaker 1: that means that they feel good about him and uh
41:11
Speaker 1: their room on the roster for him. Well, I don't know.
41:13
Speaker 1: I mean he's got to be able to play special teams.
41:15
Speaker 1: He got the size to the one knock on him
41:17
Speaker 1: when obviously coming out of college was his forty time,
41:22
Speaker 1: which was like a fourth seven. That is pro day,
41:25
Speaker 1: and so wide receivers that run for seven don't attract
41:28
Speaker 1: a lot of attention. That's probably why he went undrafted,
41:31
Speaker 1: because wide receivers run for seven aren't gonna be a
41:34
Speaker 1: premium need. I mean, you need guys that can run
41:37
Speaker 1: like Sims from West Virginia. Who do you get drafted either?
41:41
Speaker 1: Who didn't get drafted either? But he didn't get drafted
41:43
Speaker 1: because he's got issues off the field. Ran a four
41:45
Speaker 1: three five at the combine. Chris, he was drafted and
41:49
Speaker 1: and he's big. Yes, So anyway, those two guys, I
41:53
Speaker 1: like him. I like hidden Jeff. Two guys to keep
41:57
Speaker 1: an eye. And I looked, the likes haven't come on yet,
42:00
Speaker 1: so let's kind of put the cold. You're hitting gems
42:03
Speaker 1: change over the weeks. I didn't. Yeah, I will say,
42:07
Speaker 1: And you probably remember this guy. He might hide them again.
42:09
Speaker 1: And you remember the wide receiver from Hawaii a few
42:14
Speaker 1: years ago. That was I'm trying to remember his name.
42:18
Speaker 1: He was a shorter wide receiver University of Hawaii. He
42:21
Speaker 1: was going to be their punt return fantastic. What was
42:26
Speaker 1: his name is probably seven years ago? Six seven years ago,
42:29
Speaker 1: that's right, Chad Owens, Chad Owens. Okay, look, fantastic, fantastic,
42:39
Speaker 1: And then I'll never forget. It was Indianapolis. It was
42:42
Speaker 1: the opening game at Indianapolis. He wasn't on the roster week,
42:46
Speaker 1: and I remember watching him in pregame warm up. In
42:50
Speaker 1: his eyes leon or were silver dollars, and he was
42:55
Speaker 1: dropping everything and he was sweating, and it just it
42:59
Speaker 1: just the lights got too bright. So the lights got
43:03
Speaker 1: of come on. And that was six and oh seven.
43:05
Speaker 1: It wasn't like six years ago. Time flies, you're having fun,
43:12
Speaker 1: Yes it does. We promised we would touch on quarterbacks
43:16
Speaker 1: as well in this segment, and not Nick Foles there,
43:19
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback situated. When you say we you promised,
43:22
Speaker 1: none of us did so, Okay, Jeff and Jeff and
43:26
Speaker 1: I differ here, And let me just say the comment
43:29
Speaker 1: that why we're talking about this because I texted it
43:31
Speaker 1: to you this morning. I said, we need to talk
43:33
Speaker 1: about this today because after yesterday's practice, it did not
43:37
Speaker 1: look like there was a quarterback on this roster that
43:40
Speaker 1: was any good besides Nick Foles. Agree or disagree yesterday's practice,
43:44
Speaker 1: L Yeah, I was there. I didn't go yesterday judgments
43:50
Speaker 1: after one day. Look, I mean that's what we do judgment.
43:54
Speaker 1: Jeff's like, that's why the next week, well, different hidden gems.
43:59
Speaker 1: I'll throw them back. I got new ones to say
44:01
Speaker 1: that we shouldn't make a judgment after one. You want
44:03
Speaker 1: to cut the roster. I don't. I'm the most rational
44:08
Speaker 1: person on this show. I'm gonna have some knee jerk
44:10
Speaker 1: reactions tonight when we have him on the TV. She
44:12
Speaker 1: got television tonight. But the quarterbacks were not They weren't good. Yes,
44:17
Speaker 1: they like they was shot putting what you want. I'm
44:23
Speaker 1: but I'll say this, and I might be the minority here.
44:26
Speaker 1: I actually think gardnerment shoot not only will be, but
44:32
Speaker 1: can be because I think he is the backup arter.
44:35
Speaker 1: He's the guy, but I think he's gonna be a
44:38
Speaker 1: fine backup. You don't listen. You don't want your backup
44:41
Speaker 1: ever to start unless you back up. He's Nick Foles
44:43
Speaker 1: and you're the Eagles. Tell me how many guys, how
44:45
Speaker 1: many teams this league at backups that you want to
44:48
Speaker 1: be the starter? The Colts doing Jacoby Brissette. You're fine
44:51
Speaker 1: with you. That's just because you love Jacoby Brisette. Okay,
44:54
Speaker 1: You're like the only one that loves him. That's not accurate.
44:57
Speaker 1: That's not accurate. A a lot of people, like Jobeper said,
45:01
Speaker 1: but I think Gordon Gardner minshe it's fine. Gardener issue
45:05
Speaker 1: is going to be fine. He's I thought he had
45:06
Speaker 1: a great practice today. He I mean, he has one
45:10
Speaker 1: bad practice and Jeff wants to trade. No, it wasn't
45:13
Speaker 1: backup quarterback, so we can find another backup court. Where
45:16
Speaker 1: are you gonna find their backup quarterback out there? I mean,
45:21
Speaker 1: they're not out there, there's not They're all signed some
45:24
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you think every quarterback around the league
45:26
Speaker 1: that that's contending for a job is going to be
45:28
Speaker 1: on a roster automatically, there's gonna be there will be
45:31
Speaker 1: available quarterbacks. There's gonna be no one who's a backup
45:34
Speaker 1: quarterback that is that is cut from a football team
45:38
Speaker 1: that is worth signing after the last cuts. That's gonna
45:41
Speaker 1: be better than Gardner totally disagree that. Okay, we'll debate it,
45:44
Speaker 1: then we'll talk about who's available. We're fine, we'll do
45:48
Speaker 1: it right here on this show. Right here. They write
45:51
Speaker 1: write it down, He's write it down. I'm just down here. Remember,
45:59
Speaker 1: So we come back to Joe agrees with Jeff start
46:06
Speaker 1: to list. Now, that's fantastic. Let's come back in a
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46:18
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46:20
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Speaker 1: Now to the Fred Taylor stuff. Today, it blew up
50:45
Speaker 1: on social media this yesterday, I guess when the number
50:49
Speaker 1: two of the all twenty five team was named, and
50:52
Speaker 1: that was Fred Taylor. That left either Tony Basselli or
50:56
Speaker 1: Harry Coleen is number one. We're not sure what it
50:58
Speaker 1: was gonna be, but it ended up being Tony Basselli. Um,
51:02
Speaker 1: Fred about that guy? Just so? Fred went on social media.
51:10
Speaker 1: We have a couple of tweets if you're watching on
51:11
Speaker 1: Jaguars dot com. The first one on the top is
51:14
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who voted, but they missed. What were
51:16
Speaker 1: you guys doing for the eleven years I carried the team?
51:19
Speaker 1: One day, someone other than me will recognize how valuable
51:22
Speaker 1: I was. I did something only twenty one players in
51:24
Speaker 1: history of the game done at my position. Hashtag wa
51:27
Speaker 1: a joke. He went on for a few other tweets
51:30
Speaker 1: and kept going about his case and statistics and this
51:33
Speaker 1: and that, and then later this was today. In fact,
51:37
Speaker 1: about ten thirty this morning, I texted Baselly congratulated him
51:40
Speaker 1: on being selected number one, and I wished him well
51:41
Speaker 1: in a possible Hall of fame. Not I've always admired
51:44
Speaker 1: him as a friend, teammate, and great husband and father.
51:46
Speaker 1: That's all that really matters. He gets it hashtag. The
51:49
Speaker 1: voters didn't, so he's got some beef with the Jacksonville
51:53
Speaker 1: media and the folks that voted on this top twenty
51:56
Speaker 1: five list. It sounds like, guys, I heard that Fred
51:59
Speaker 1: had tweeted something, and uh, and I didn't see it
52:03
Speaker 1: actually until today. And then at practice today somebody showed
52:08
Speaker 1: me the tweets and I went, somebody hacked Fred's Twitter.
52:14
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, I really thought that somebody hacked Fred's
52:17
Speaker 1: Twitter account. I didn't expect Fred to say something like that.
52:23
Speaker 1: You never argue your own case for your own greatness.
52:27
Speaker 1: You don't do that. And that's kind of what Fred
52:30
Speaker 1: was doing. And I was very surprised by that and
52:34
Speaker 1: what he should have responded vibes, because look at this
52:37
Speaker 1: is a subjective list. You can take Tony and put
52:42
Speaker 1: him at two, and put Jimmy at one and Fred
52:44
Speaker 1: at three, or Fred at too, Jimmy at one, Fred
52:48
Speaker 1: to three, or mix it up, Fred at one, Jimmy
52:50
Speaker 1: at two. What you like? You know clearly the three
52:54
Speaker 1: greatest players in Jaguar's history, and to tweet about it
52:58
Speaker 1: being made national headlines to where Fred is upset with
53:02
Speaker 1: the Jaguars for not making him number one. It just
53:05
Speaker 1: didn't make Fred look very good. I'm sorry, Fred, but
53:07
Speaker 1: that's just not that's not the way you're nu. Yeah,
53:12
Speaker 1: I got with that, but I ain't going on Twitter,
53:15
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I ain't going on Twitter
53:16
Speaker 1: with it. But listen the top three. Listen there there's
53:20
Speaker 1: no disparity, disparity as far as greatness go. All those
53:24
Speaker 1: guys interchangeably could have been number one. I personally believe
53:28
Speaker 1: Tony should be number one. I'm not being blast. I've
53:32
Speaker 1: seen the man. I've seen the man knowledge defensive, all right, okay,
53:36
Speaker 1: so but I've also seen Fred Taylor, you know, you know,
53:40
Speaker 1: get get a glim of daylight and take it to
53:43
Speaker 1: and then I've also seen DBS be scared of Jimmy Smith.
53:48
Speaker 1: So I mean those three guys, I mean, that's just
53:50
Speaker 1: levels of greatness. You're interchangeable. I was very surprised that
53:53
Speaker 1: that Jimmy because Jimmy has always been a very private
53:56
Speaker 1: person and he really didn't same thing. But I also
53:59
Speaker 1: understand this too about you know, we were competitors once,
54:03
Speaker 1: you know, Ricky, Bobby, if you're not first last, maybe
54:06
Speaker 1: he took that first, you know, So I mean, but listen,
54:09
Speaker 1: everybody that's been on that list, but the grade I mean,
54:14
Speaker 1: I ssarly believe that you should have been on the left.
54:16
Speaker 1: A couple of guys. It was the next you know, Brian,
54:23
Speaker 1: when Brian Barker texts man told me that he was,
54:28
Speaker 1: I told Brian Barker, I couldn't believe it wasn't on
54:29
Speaker 1: the last say, sir, I was twenty six. I sail
54:31
Speaker 1: can understand. But you know, um, all those guys they
54:36
Speaker 1: were on the list. Some of the guys who were
54:38
Speaker 1: on the list, you know, help you know, build this
54:41
Speaker 1: franchise to what it was. I mean, this franchise was
54:43
Speaker 1: a baby at one in particular time. We fed it.
54:47
Speaker 1: It crawled and walked and ran into came a franchise
54:51
Speaker 1: that's one of the elites. And less than five to
54:54
Speaker 1: seven years. You know what I'm saying. So you know,
54:57
Speaker 1: I love all you guys. One thing. I love Fred, okay,
55:01
Speaker 1: but Tony, you, Jimmy, not Jimmy, Fred, not Fred. None
55:07
Speaker 1: of the three of you individually carried I would agree
55:11
Speaker 1: with that absolutely. So you're number one, number one. It's
55:17
Speaker 1: a huge honor. Thank you the voters and everything else.
55:19
Speaker 1: And I didn't vote for you. I'm glad I didn't
55:21
Speaker 1: vote for you either, didn't got a vote. Uh, it's
55:25
Speaker 1: a huge honor. And like Wenna, Jeff said, great, UH
55:28
Speaker 1: said it best. Like there's a bunch of guys who
55:31
Speaker 1: played high levels in this team to be honored as
55:33
Speaker 1: the top guy. Obviously we're competitors. It's cool. Um, I'll
55:39
Speaker 1: just say this, like, especially the position I played, and
55:41
Speaker 1: I think all of us, none of us carried the team.
55:44
Speaker 1: We were all part of it when we were good.
55:46
Speaker 1: Is because we had a lot of good players. We
55:47
Speaker 1: have this conversation today. I mean, Leon was the best
55:50
Speaker 1: right tackle in football, Mark was multiple time pro bowler,
55:53
Speaker 1: Freddie T was Freddie T. Jimmy was the best. Kim
55:56
Speaker 1: mcart everyone forgets about. Keenan was a pro bowler and
55:59
Speaker 1: had you know, I interviewed him today. It's on the
56:04
Speaker 1: website today and he is angry. But I mean, you
56:08
Speaker 1: go down the list. We're not surprised about angry. But
56:12
Speaker 1: I'll just say this, So it's a huge honor. One
56:15
Speaker 1: is this everyone needs no listening. Fred and I are good.
56:17
Speaker 1: Fred and I texts there's no animals, no beef. Fred
56:21
Speaker 1: and I are good. I love freddie t I told
56:23
Speaker 1: him that, so we're good to His highlights are way
56:26
Speaker 1: better than mine. I mean, they're way more fun to watch.
56:29
Speaker 1: I mean, and three, it's it's fun. It's a it's
56:35
Speaker 1: cool that there's is a debate and it's no different.
56:38
Speaker 1: And I get what and I said this to that.
56:40
Speaker 1: I get in a sense what Fred how he feels
56:43
Speaker 1: the last couple of years in the Hall of Fame.
56:44
Speaker 1: When you like I get phone call and says, oh
56:46
Speaker 1: you were six, You're like you're one spot away. I
56:49
Speaker 1: mean like you're mad, Like wait a second, you feel slighted. Um. Now,
56:54
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't feel that way, but we're competitors. Like
56:56
Speaker 1: Leon said, Um, I wish Fred wouldn't have tweet it
57:01
Speaker 1: because it doesn't help because at the end of the
57:03
Speaker 1: day only wait wait, wait, minuta write this down to
57:07
Speaker 1: what about tweet? I would know the only reason, the
57:16
Speaker 1: reason why I had no like Fred we text. I'm
57:20
Speaker 1: fine with it, but what I didn't like he tweeted.
57:24
Speaker 1: It becomes a national story and then you have pro
57:25
Speaker 1: football talk taking shots at him. Why away from his greatness? Yeah,
57:32
Speaker 1: because he's a great back. That's what bothered me. It's like,
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Speaker 1: come on, man, why why are we doing this? Because
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Speaker 1: it takes away from the whole thing made the comment.
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Speaker 1: Then as you get the national media taking shots at him,
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Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. I don't like that. I don't want to
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Speaker 1: see years there's multiple the All fifty team, that there's
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Speaker 1: multiple people that are in the argument to replace I
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Speaker 1: hope so fred Tony and Jimmy. If I'm hopefully there's
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Speaker 1: a quarterback or two in there. If I'm twenty years
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Speaker 1: now with the All fifty team, I'm still number one.
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Speaker 1: We got problems, we got issues. He was like that,
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Speaker 1: I don't want that. I mean, we have issues. I
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Speaker 1: mean I love to be number one, but we need
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Speaker 1: like we need like four or five guys. They're great.
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Speaker 1: So it's fun. It's been actually on Jeff. I know
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Speaker 1: you probably both feel the same way. It was a
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Speaker 1: fun thing. My favorite part about it is you know,
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Speaker 1: the reminisced and go back and talk about the games
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Speaker 1: and the players and like appreciate all that happened, and
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Speaker 1: you could debate and a lot of guys thought they
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Speaker 1: should be higher, and rightfully so, because they were all
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Speaker 1: great players are competitive and they feel like what they
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Speaker 1: did was at the highest level. Alright, so case close,
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Speaker 1: let me just add one thing and folks at quick,
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Speaker 1: if you want to see some really cool highlights of
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Speaker 1: all of the guys that made the top twenty five,
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Speaker 1: go to Jaguars dot com because it is cool the
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Speaker 1: packages they put. He did a great job. First of all.
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Speaker 1: It's fun, it's fun to reminisce and it brings back
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Speaker 1: a lot of great The team did great and Jeff,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about it tonight. I'll be on
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Speaker 1: the TV show seven Jaguar. We're looking at after I
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Speaker 1: mean Clays. I'm sorry, this will be the highest rated show.
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Speaker 1: We'll see you after that. Gotta go. Doug Moron show
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