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The Late Debate | 8 April · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lewens General, Welcome to the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 2: with freyer Leitch and Liz Storer.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up in the.
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  Speaker 2: Program, a third of UNI students are being admitted with
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  Speaker 2: special dispensation for some problem or another. We'll tell you
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  Speaker 2: what they are and why a little later in the show.
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  Speaker 2: In the papers, one state is scrapping its renewable energy targets.
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  Speaker 2: Will tell you who that is. And the former foreign
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  Speaker 2: prime minister who's been attacked by an ostretch will show
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  Speaker 2: you the vision a little later. But of course, the
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  Speaker 2: big story of the evening is the Sky News Daily
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  Speaker 2: Telegraph People's Forum, which was broadcast right here just a
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  Speaker 2: few hours ago. We know that the winner of that debate,
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  Speaker 2: though not by a majority, was the Prime Minister Anthony Alberanzi.
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  Speaker 2: The numbers were forty four percent of attendees these are
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  Speaker 2: undecided voters when they walk into the room saying that
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  Speaker 2: they thought Alberizi had won. It was thirty five percent
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  Speaker 2: for d and twenty one percent said they were undecided.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a few of the questions that were asked tonight.
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  Speaker 2: How are we going to cope with the Trump pandemic
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  Speaker 2: that we're going through right now.
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  Speaker 3: I was wondering, if we're getting any sort of funding
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  Speaker 3: towards public education in the near future.
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  Speaker 4: How will those universities pick up the shortfall?
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  Speaker 1: And will will my son's unifees increase?
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  Speaker 5: Our taxes are going towards the funding of weaponry, eating
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  Speaker 5: the onslaught on the innocent people of Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing to stop this primement asay opposition lead.
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  Speaker 6: And what you're going to do for some of our
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  Speaker 6: all sort of areas like Tamil.
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  Speaker 2: Do we want to increase Medicare funding so we want
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  Speaker 2: to have to bear a strug up fee?
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  Speaker 7: What will you do to ensure migration discussions remain respectful
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  Speaker 7: and avoid demonizing migrants?
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  Speaker 2: Now, look, I thought largely this was a who hum
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  Speaker 2: sort of debate. No one made any major mistakes, nor
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  Speaker 2: did anyone have any great wins, and that probably is
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  Speaker 2: reflected in the twenty one percent who walked out of
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  Speaker 2: that room still undecided on.
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  Speaker 1: Who they would vote for.
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  Speaker 2: They hit the points that they ought to hit, but
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  Speaker 2: you didn't particularly get a feeling that anyone was landing
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  Speaker 2: major blows in this debate. Probably the best performance I've
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  Speaker 2: seen from Peter Dutton thus far, as Andrew Clonel said
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  Speaker 2: earlier this evening here on skytes the best he's seen,
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  Speaker 2: and if he still couldn't win that it gives some
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  Speaker 2: indication of how much trouble he and the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 2: in the coalition may well be in. I do think
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  Speaker 2: one of his strongest moments of the night, though, was
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  Speaker 2: when he went back to someone who'd asked a question
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  Speaker 2: about Medicare to ask, well, when you go to the
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  Speaker 2: doctor are you just using that Medicare card that Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanezi keeps waving around?
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  Speaker 8: Can I just ask, please? It's a great question, but
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  Speaker 8: can I just ask what's your experience? So when you
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  Speaker 8: go to the doctor that you talk about with the
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  Speaker 8: gap fee, do you have to use your just your
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  Speaker 8: Medicare card or do you have to use your credit
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  Speaker 8: card as well?
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  Speaker 9: Sport because billing doesn't cover the full chance I have.
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  Speaker 1: To pay something.
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  Speaker 4: But plead you tried when you were the healthman stuff
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  Speaker 4: you tried to abolish folk billing by having a fee
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  Speaker 4: every time people visit a doctor.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you'd have to say, Liz, on the basis
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  Speaker 2: of the numbers that came out of there, tonight, they're
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  Speaker 2: really pushing it uphill the coalition at this point. I
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  Speaker 2: thought it was a great performance from Dutton, albeit not
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  Speaker 2: a stiller one, but it was certainly better than we'd
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  Speaker 2: seen on the campaign.
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  Speaker 1: Trail thus far.
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  Speaker 2: And Albinisi, I don't think, really brought his a game.
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  Speaker 2: He was just sort of meandering through the points that
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  Speaker 2: he walked into the room with.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't fill you with a great deal of confidence.
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  Speaker 9: No it doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know about you, but I'm feeling
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  Speaker 3: profoundly under welmed. I mean, look, nobody with a single
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  Speaker 3: firing neuron actually thinks the Libs can win this thing.
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  Speaker 3: Flipping twenty three seats is you know that would take
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  Speaker 3: an absolute act of God. But I think watching this
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  Speaker 3: debate for many people, and as you said, it's reflected
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  Speaker 3: in the undercided voters still leaving the debate.
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  Speaker 9: I think Clive Palmer.
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  Speaker 3: Hit it on the head in the ad that I
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  Speaker 3: saw tonight, being like, this is the UNI Party. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: other than cheaper petrol and some new clear what is
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  Speaker 3: the differences that these two major parties are taking to
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  Speaker 3: the election.
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  Speaker 9: Can you imagine if Trump ran against the Dems.
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  Speaker 3: With this new policies, strong, well articulated policies that set.
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  Speaker 9: Him apart from the Dems.
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  Speaker 3: Goodness knows what the outcome would have been. People are
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  Speaker 3: hungry for change. Dutts and the Libs had a great
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to actually just put the pedal to the metal,
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  Speaker 3: being like, look, we're not going to flip twenty three seats,
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  Speaker 3: but let's go our hardest, let's put the biggest dent
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  Speaker 3: in it that we possibly can.
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  Speaker 9: But I think more and more Australians instead.
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  Speaker 3: Are waking up to the fact that there's very little
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  Speaker 3: points of difference, especially on the issues that we bang
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  Speaker 3: on about every single night.
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  Speaker 9: They know it was the Libs that created.
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  Speaker 3: The e Safety Commission, the supported restrictions on.
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  Speaker 9: Free speech in other legislation.
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  Speaker 3: They know this is the party that oversaw the burning
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  Speaker 3: dumpster fire that was the pandemic response. They haven't done
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  Speaker 3: anything about men in women's sports.
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  Speaker 9: They refuse to leave the Paris Accords.
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  Speaker 3: Even though with Trump with America pulling out of them,
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  Speaker 3: they're completely useless. People are hankering to see this widening
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  Speaker 3: gap between the two major parties that makes it clear
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  Speaker 3: all right on these issues. That's where these guys get
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  Speaker 3: my vote. That's where I'm putting it instead.
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  Speaker 9: All I'm seeing.
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  Speaker 3: Across socials, especially because that's where you see feedback in
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  Speaker 3: real time from just the average punter on the street
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  Speaker 3: who are going to be going to the polling box,
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  Speaker 3: is saying, what's the difference, I'm voting independent, I'm voting independent.
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  Speaker 3: That seems to be popping up everywhere, and never more
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  Speaker 3: so then directly after this debate.
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  Speaker 2: And it reflects, of course, when you look at the
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  Speaker 2: primary vote for the parties, because if you look at
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  Speaker 2: the latest News poll, which of course showed that Labor
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  Speaker 2: was back fifty two forty eight a two party preferred,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't because of a great surge in the labor vote.
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  Speaker 2: It was because one percent had been wiped off the
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  Speaker 2: coalition's primary vote. So the primary vote is collapsing for
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  Speaker 2: the major parties. And I know you've been campaigning with
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  Speaker 2: the Libs Pray, so you've got a bit of a
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  Speaker 2: view from the inside about how all this is going.
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  Speaker 1: Do the numbers tonight worry you?
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  Speaker 7: I think, Look, I think Dutton did well tonight and
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  Speaker 7: I think that is his to be commended for that. Also,
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  Speaker 7: his father had a health episode right before coming out,
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  Speaker 7: and I thought Dutton did a really good job at
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  Speaker 7: not being baited by Alban easy, not coming across as
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  Speaker 7: to sort of domineering or hardline. He's really had to
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  Speaker 7: work hard at trying to soften his image a bit,
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  Speaker 7: and I think he did well at that aspect of
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  Speaker 7: the debate. One of the things that disappointed me about
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  Speaker 7: the debate, and particularly the questions that were asked, was
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  Speaker 7: just how shallow there they were. There was nothing about
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  Speaker 7: long term reform. There was nothing about how we're going
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  Speaker 7: to pay down the debt, how are we going to
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  Speaker 7: reign in government spending, how are we going to actually
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  Speaker 7: fix cost of living beyond a tiny tax cut or
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  Speaker 7: twelve months of fuel excise relief, nothing around that, And
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  Speaker 7: I just thought, if this is the state of political
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  Speaker 7: debate in Australia where we're just worried about, you know,
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  Speaker 7: my bits of funding for this and that and my
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  Speaker 7: you know backyard. That stuff's all important, but there was
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  Speaker 7: there was really very little in the.
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  Speaker 6: Way of long term vision.
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  Speaker 7: And so I think Dutton can still win this election
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  Speaker 7: one hundred percent. He still can, but it will take
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  Speaker 7: him inspiring a new vision for Australia, something that is bold.
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  Speaker 7: That is different, and I think he has it in him.
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  Speaker 7: He showed during the voice he can be bold, he
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  Speaker 7: can be courageous.
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  Speaker 6: He's just got to tap.
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  Speaker 7: Back into that and then I think there is a
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  Speaker 7: really good shot for the Liberals this election.
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  Speaker 1: They certainly need something.
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  Speaker 2: And you mentioned talk about debt and deficit and all
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  Speaker 2: these kinds of things. Dutton did hit on it briefly.
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  Speaker 2: He pointed out that Albanezi has been the highest spending
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  Speaker 2: prime minister since Whitlam, but Albo falsely claimed that. In fact, no,
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  Speaker 2: it was the Liberal Party that did that during COVID.
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  Speaker 8: Take a look, are you the biggest spending government since
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  Speaker 8: Whitlam so forty years? In forty years, there has not
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  Speaker 8: been a higher spending government than your government. Is that correct?
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's not true, except for the one that you
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  Speaker 4: were a part of. Jeria's course, it's true, and it's
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  Speaker 4: also true. It's also true that there was a seventy
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  Speaker 4: eight billion dollar deficit.
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  Speaker 2: Well, hold tight, because we have a story on the
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  Speaker 2: front of The Australian a little later that dispel all
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  Speaker 2: of that. But I suppose it's indicative of the fact
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  Speaker 2: that it just seems to have dropped off the agenda
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  Speaker 2: as an issue now. I mean, you know, we're hurtling
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  Speaker 2: towards trillion dollars of debt in the next financial year.
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  Speaker 2: And that wasn't really the headline that came out of
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  Speaker 2: the budget, was it. It's that you'll get a measly
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  Speaker 2: five dollars a week tax cut. It's almost like it's
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  Speaker 2: disappeared from the public consciousness. And of course it was
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  Speaker 2: something that was so strong for the Libs for a
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  Speaker 2: long time that almost seemingly they can't fight on anymore.
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  Speaker 3: No, and neither of them are talking about any kind
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  Speaker 3: of reduction in government spending, which we know is what
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  Speaker 3: drives inflation, which we know is what's killing us all
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  Speaker 3: right now. Not one of them is like, oh, okay, kids,
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  Speaker 3: time to pull our socks up tight now, belts. Things
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  Speaker 3: are going to be tricky for a while, but we're
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  Speaker 3: doing this for your children's children, so they won't be
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  Speaker 3: paying down a ginormous debt. Not one of them has
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  Speaker 3: said a word about that, And it's just another day
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  Speaker 3: in government, isn't it. I guess they all know, as
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  Speaker 3: Milton Freeman said, we're the ones responsible for the ridiculous
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  Speaker 3: government spending because we incentivize them to keep promising us
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  Speaker 3: all these freebies in the lead up to an election.
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  Speaker 3: We all know winning election doesn't come cheap. You've got
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  Speaker 3: to make all the promises that people want to hear. Now,
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  Speaker 3: whether you deliver on them or not is a whole
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  Speaker 3: nother thing once you actually get into power. We're all
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  Speaker 3: still waiting for that two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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  Speaker 9: Of our power bills.
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  Speaker 3: But before he went to the debate and I Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister Alban Easy was doing a presser in Ashfield, Sydney
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  Speaker 3: on the campaign trail when he was accosted by this
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  Speaker 3: climate protester.
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  Speaker 4: When it came to working from home and the sacking
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  Speaker 4: of forty one thousand public services.
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  Speaker 7: He's getting elected.
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  Speaker 9: And the Prince.
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  Speaker 1: And I haven't been.
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  Speaker 3: Her name is Alexis Stewart, and I don't know about you,
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  Speaker 3: but it breaks my heart to see that young woman.
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  Speaker 9: Who's clearly a true believer in.
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  Speaker 3: The climate change narrative that has no doubt been fed
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  Speaker 3: to her from a very young age. Indeed, here she
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  Speaker 3: was later talking to reporters saying that she's suffered from
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  Speaker 3: climate anxiety since she was fifteen.
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  Speaker 5: I have experienced eco anxiety since I have been fifteen.
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  Speaker 5: I am worried that my future will be full of
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  Speaker 5: increased floods, fires, famines and drought.
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  Speaker 6: And I know that the number one driver of that.
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  Speaker 5: Is the continued approval of new coal and gas projects.
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  Speaker 9: Is it any wonder?
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  Speaker 3: According to a youth mental health organization here in Australia
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  Speaker 3: by the name of Origin, last month they released.
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  Speaker 9: Some research which showed that sixty.
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  Speaker 3: Seven percent of the youth of today in Australia are
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  Speaker 3: saying that this climate change narrative is having a very
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  Speaker 3: negative effect on their mental health. Gen zas are the
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  Speaker 3: fruits of the left's labor. When it comes to the
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  Speaker 3: fact that they have been taught this from a very
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  Speaker 3: young age, they are facing imminent doom.
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  Speaker 9: And when we.
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  Speaker 3: Put this together with how prevalent we know anxiety already is,
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  Speaker 3: depression already is in these younger generations, is it any
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  Speaker 3: wonder that for many young people like Alexis Stewart there
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  Speaker 3: this is a very real and terrifying reality. And of course,
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  Speaker 3: as we've discussed before, Freyer, absolutely nobody is being held
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  Speaker 3: to account for the fact that these guys are suffering
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  Speaker 3: due to having been indoctrinated in to this climate cult.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I also saw some pretty scary statistics that forty
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  Speaker 7: three percent of young Australians between sixteen and twenty five
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  Speaker 7: were hesitant to have children because of climate change. And
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  Speaker 7: when you make those kinds of decisions, they live with
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  Speaker 7: you for the rest of your life. So if you
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  Speaker 7: put off having kids when you're young, that's it. You're done.
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  Speaker 7: And to think that people like their whole lives are
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  Speaker 7: being determined by these narratives that they've been taught, it's
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  Speaker 7: very sad and it is no wonder Like I went
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  Speaker 7: through the education system recently, went through university, and the
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  Speaker 7: sense of doom and despair is palpable. Palpable on the
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  Speaker 7: climate change front, but also more broadly, there is a
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  Speaker 7: sense that the West is in decline, that where the
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  Speaker 7: first generation that will be worse off than our parents.
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  Speaker 7: That is all very real, but I think our leaders
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  Speaker 7: have to step up and go. You were right to
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  Speaker 7: be concerned. The world is uncertain. It is a scary place,
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  Speaker 7: but human beings have always innovated our way out of crises.
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  Speaker 6: In the early.
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  Speaker 7: Nineteen hundreds, everyone thought London would be covered in horse
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  Speaker 7: manure because everyone was driving horses and carriages, and where
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  Speaker 7: was all all the pooh gonna go? Well, guess what,
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  Speaker 7: We invented cars, And you know, people are scared of emissions,
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  Speaker 7: of course, but we've invented nuclear and clean energy, and
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  Speaker 7: there are a whole bunch of other innovations that are
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  Speaker 7: now overcoming these problems. But it's the lack of optimism
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  Speaker 7: in humanity that I think is just so sad, and
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  Speaker 7: that bears itself out in climate change, but also in
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  Speaker 7: a whole range of other areas. And I think we've
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  Speaker 7: really let our young people down.
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  Speaker 2: There's a number of things that play here. One I
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  Speaker 2: think everyone who educated this woman ought to be put
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  Speaker 2: in the gulag. I mean, and we should know, we
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  Speaker 2: should point out out, we should point out she rocked
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  Speaker 2: up to a presser that ALBERANIZI was giving to announce
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  Speaker 2: a billion dollars of funding for mental health.
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  Speaker 1: And so the point she was making.
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  Speaker 2: Is the reason my mental health is so bad and
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  Speaker 2: the mental health of other young people in Australia as well,
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  Speaker 2: is because we have this existential dread and crisis over
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  Speaker 2: the future of the world that we are expected to
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  Speaker 2: live in. Well, it's nonsense. I mean, the world's not
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  Speaker 2: going to blow up tomorrow. She's not mentally ill or
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  Speaker 2: experiencing any form of mental illness because the world is
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  Speaker 2: going to end. She's experiencing dread and eco anxiety, as
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  Speaker 2: she calls it, because people have put that in her brain.
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  Speaker 2: People have convinced her that she should be anxious. She's
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  Speaker 2: not actually anxious because she's looked at the world. She's
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  Speaker 2: anxious because people have convinced her that.
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  Speaker 1: She ought to be.
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  Speaker 2: And the people who are pushing this stuff on kids
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  Speaker 2: should hang their heads in shame. Take a good look
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  Speaker 2: at yourself in the mirror and consider what you are
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  Speaker 2: doing to young people. You are sapping them of their
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  Speaker 2: will to live. I mean, these are the young people
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  Speaker 2: of tomorrow who could actually go out and achieve the
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  Speaker 2: advancement of the human race. And until this point, that
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  Speaker 2: is what we have always driven to do to advance
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  Speaker 2: the human race. We had the Industrial Revolution. At every
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  Speaker 2: point in our existence, we have tried to move forward.
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  Speaker 2: And for the first time in history, we're reaching a
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  Speaker 2: point where we're actually regressing, and we're willingly regressing because
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  Speaker 2: we are being told we have to regress in order
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  Speaker 2: to save the planet. It's just not how it works.
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  Speaker 2: We are an adaptable species. I mean, are you telling
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  Speaker 2: me that if the planet goes up another two percent
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  Speaker 2: that we won't find a way to live with it.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, we will find a way to live with it.
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  Speaker 2: But of course, the other thing you have to consider
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  Speaker 2: in all of this is that it's about the destruction
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  Speaker 2: of the capitalist system. And so if you convince people
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  Speaker 2: that the world is going to end if we keep
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  Speaker 2: advancing humanity, and of course humanity has been advanced through
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  Speaker 2: business and the capitalist system, well we better dismantle the
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  Speaker 2: capitalist system. It all plays in together, and what you
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  Speaker 2: end up with in the end, all these young people
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  Speaker 2: who just can't hack the world they're living in because
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  Speaker 2: they're told they're.
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  Speaker 9: Going to die, they are the victims. Gen Z in
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  Speaker 9: particular are the victims.
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  Speaker 3: Goodness knows what kids today now coming up through whichever
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  Speaker 3: gen that is coming up through Alpha.
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  Speaker 9: They're being taught this.
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  Speaker 3: As young as jolly pre school because we have these
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  Speaker 3: lefty activists in our educational system and there seems to
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  Speaker 3: be no rooting.
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  Speaker 9: Them out, and certainly no political will to do.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, and they don't have the brain capacity, particularly
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  Speaker 2: primary school age children to understand these massive concepts that
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  Speaker 2: are being put in front of them that the world
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  Speaker 2: is going to end.
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  Speaker 3: And any wonder then that people like Violet Coco and
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  Speaker 3: many others who when they're finally bought before a court
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: of law because you know, you've held up the Sydney
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Harbor Bridge.
• 17:56
  Speaker 9: You can't do that.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: People just trying to go about their lawful business. They
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: get let off with a slap on the risk. Why
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: because of climate anxiety.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: As Pink Floyd once saying, we don't need no education,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: we don't need no thought control. All in all, just
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: another brick in the wall. And so it goes as
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: well when we.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Talk about universities.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I mean this stuff is just going on in primary
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: and high schools, etc. It's going on in the universities
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: as well. And we don't have record numbers of people
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: being admitted to universities with special dispensation for problems such
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: as divorce, disability, and poverty.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: A third of all university.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Students are now being admitted with some sort of special dispensation.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Now there's been a large increase because in twenty twenty
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: or twenty twenty one, there was this system brought in
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: where they take into account your postcode and the school
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: you went to, so you would be able to get
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: further up the queue if you perhaps came from an
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: area with a lower socioeconomic background.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: That accounts for some of it.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: But there's been a forty two percent increase in people
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: getting into university with a special requirement because of a
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: disability or a medical condition, or what they call family disruption,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: which comes in the form of a death in the family,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: or domestic violence or divorce, or they say they're going
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: through financial woes. So you get an extra chance or
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: an extra shot to go into university above someone else
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: who perhaps hasn't had their parents divorce, or perhaps doesn't
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: have a disability, etc. Or isn't struggling with money right now,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: or happened to be born in a suburb that had
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: a higher socioeconomic background than yours. A third of all
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: university entrants now fall into that category. And I think
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: there's two points here. We are continually afraid at getting
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: people into university. You probably shouldn't be there in the
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: first place. We just say come one, come more. We
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: don't care, and the unis don't care because they get
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: your money once you sign up. I think you've just
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: got to be there for a year and then if
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: you drop out, it doesn't matter. They still get your
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: funding anyway, so they don't particularly give a toss. But
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: surely you're then sending a bunch of people perhaps ant
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: up to the job and then will eventually discover that
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: they're not really cut out for UNI and they've wasted
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: one or two or three or four years of their
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: lives getting there, and then they've got to go and
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: find something else to do.
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: Well, that's exactly the problem, because our universities in Australia
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: have turned into multi billion dollar corporations and for them
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: to keep expanding and keep climbing the global rankings, they
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: need to keep growing. And so how do you do that, Well,
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: you recruit more students. So it's actually in the university's
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: interest to open up access to university, whether or not
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: it is in the interests of those students to actually
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: attain a university degree. And the problem is it's actually
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: these children, these kids that are being admitted to university
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: with a lower ATA score than is required, are being
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: put into an environment where they are already at a disadvantage.
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: Because if you haven't attained the ATA, Chances are you
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: will struggle to keep up with the curriculum, with the
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: academic rigor that's required to complete the degree, and at
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: the very least you're going to be behind the rest
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: of your peers in your degree. And what this actually
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: does is it sets the kids up for failure. So
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: if you look at kids entering university, those who had
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: an ATAR ninety five and above, the dropout rate was
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: only four percent. If you had an ATAR below seventy
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: seventy is the average. So if you have a below
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: average ETAR, around one third of those students are dropping out.
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: Now dropout rates across the board are around twenty five percent.
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: Now that is terrible for the students because they finish
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: without a degree and with a whole bunch of debt
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: and having lost years of their lives.
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: But who wins from that the universities. And so this
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: is the problem we're in.
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: How do we actually refocus universities on not just being
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: huge profit making juggernauts and actually serving the interests of
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: one our nation and two the Australian public they're supposedly
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: here to serve.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: And the fact that they've ordered down the academic standards
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: in order to allow more students in simply because oh, well,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: you've qualified for being at some sort of disadvantage.
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: Just means how are these kids going to do even if.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: They did graduate, How are they going to do if
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: they've been modelly, model goddled.
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: Through their entire degree?
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: And I witnessed that when I was at you said,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: just three years ago, people doing the same degree as me,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: a jurist doctor. It was one of the most intensive
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: courses I've certainly ever done. They were struggling, some of
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: them couldn't read properly, but they were being mollycoddled by
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: the system.
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: And I'm thinking, how.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: On earth are you going to be a lawyer, much
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: less a good one if you have trouble reading? Come on,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: where is just the practical set in this?
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: Now?
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: When this made the news today that one in three
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: of we're talking over one point six million university students.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: So when we say one in three, we're talking about
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of kids availing themselves.
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: Of these.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: I'm at a disadvantage points in order to get into UNI.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Kim Paino, the University Admissions Center managing director, explain this
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: away by saying, oh, this reflects a combination of factors,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: increased awareness of the scheme, more accurate diagnosis of neurodivergent
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: conditions like ADHD and ASD, and the lingering effects of
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: the pandemic. More students are now increasingly confident in seeking support,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: and it's critical they know that higher education remains firmly
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: within reach regardless of their circumstances. But like you say, Freyer,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: maybe it shouldn't be within reach. Maybe we are doing
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: these kids a disservers. And in the line term, any
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: society that isn't built on a hierarchy of competence, you
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: are inviting complete chaos. So it doesn't matter whether these
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: kids are trying to be lawyers or they're trying to
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: be social workers or whatever. The course, the path that
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: they've chosen to take is how are they going to
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: go in the workforce?
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Or mss Pain, whether she knows it or not, has
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: pointed out one of the large.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Problems here when she says, you.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Know, we've now got accurate diagnoses of neurodivergent conditions like ADHD.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, every man and his dog and his dog's
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: cousin's brother now has ADHD alleged, right, And these are
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the things that they're using to say, well, I need
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: to be at an advantage because I'm at a disadvantage
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: in order to get into university. And ADHD is very
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: different in some people to what it is in other people.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I went to school with kids
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: you absolutely say we're ADHD. Like they were bouncing off
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: the walls, disrupt in the class all the time. They
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: couldn't get their school work done.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: They had a problem.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: But now you walk into a psych's office and you
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: sort of fit it with your leg a bit too.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Much, and they'll tell you you've got ADHD.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, all of a sudden, you're in university with
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: a lower ATAR than you ought to be in there with.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: This is a big problem, I think, Liz.
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: It absolutely is.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: And this is one that psychiatrist Pat McGrory has talked
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: about in today's paper. He says the uncertainty around this
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: boundary that is qualifying to be ADHD explains the variation
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: as ADHD traits overlap with a lot of typical thinking
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: and behavior. Almost everyone can qualify to some extent. The
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: criteria for diagnosis includes such things as poor time management,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: losing things, being forgetful, or easily distracted and disliking tasks
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: like schoolwork or homework.
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: Guys, I think I've just realized I have a HDD.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Me too, My goodness, self.
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: Jokes to one side.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: The latest PBS data shows that there's over a million
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: ossies supposedly with ADHD. But get this, the number of
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: ossies on ADHD medications surged by almost three hundred percent
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: in the last ten years. The real question we need
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: to be asking is why, where the heck has.
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: This come from?
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Prescriptions more than doubled between twenty twenty and twenty twenty three.
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: Those are the COVID years. I wonder why was it?
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Because a lot of really healthy people were locked up
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: in their homes like animals, left with nothing but the
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: thoughts in their head, and started self diagnosing themselves. Because
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: there's a big relationship between ADHD and anxiety and depression.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: If you extend that data back to twenty and thirteen,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: we're talking about a four hundred and ninety six percent
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: increase in adult prescriptions for ADHD in Australia alone. This
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: is a pandemic of ADHD prescriptions and a lot of
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: people now on these medications and nobody I'm aware of
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: is doing any research to ask the basic question of
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: why you saw a four hundred and ninety six percent
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: increase over the last ten years, and you're not curious
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: about what the heck is going on.
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: It's negligent.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: It is absolutely crazy.
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: And if you think about the impact on productivity of
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: all of these people suddenly self diagnosing with ADHD and
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: then excusing behaviors that are symptomatic of ADHD that we
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: in maybe past years, we'd just call ill discipline or
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: laziness or disorganization. Now, all of a sudden, you can
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: pathologize it, and it's not your fault, it's someone else's fault,
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: and you can just get on drugs to fix it
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: without actually fixing your own personal will or basically absolving
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: yourself of responsibility. I just think this is ridiculous, and
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: this is part of the broadest shift we've seen in
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: our society where everything has to have a name, everything
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: has to have a medical diagnosis. I mean, it's crazy.
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: The fact that ten percent of almost ten percent of
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: five to seven year old children are on the ndis
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: for example, ten percent, ten percent of children should not
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: be disabled like that is a terrible, terrible outcome and
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: so I think we have to You're exactly right, Liz.
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: We have to ask, well, why is this happening? Sure,
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: there is there has been a destigmatization of mental health,
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: and that's a good thing. It is good that more
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: people are seeking help and dealing with things that in
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: days gone past would have been brushed under the pushed
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: under a carpet. But then I think we also have
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: to address the environmental factors that could be leading to
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: this huge increase, because you don't suddenly get a generation
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: whose brains have completely rewired themselves and literally stopped working.
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: That doesn't just happen miraculously over one decade.
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: There has to be something that's going on here.
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: And so I think we have to be looking at screens,
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: how we're parenting children, what's going on in our schools,
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: the diets, exercise, like, there are so many factors that
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: go into this.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Caleb, Yeah, And I mean it's social contagion to some degree.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: You've got the element of self diagnosis. People see, you know,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: things like Patrick gor Is talking about, oh, you know,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I forget my keys all the time.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Oh geez, I think I might have ADHD.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: And then they go and shop for a doctor who
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: will give them the official diagnosis and then hey, presto,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: you've got ADHD. And this goes on to some degree
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: with autism as well, because when you're talking about children,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: of course, the is funding attached for schools and other
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: outfits for children who were diagnosed with autism or ADHD.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Not in the case of ADHD, but certainly in the
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: case of autism. You get on the NDAs you get
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: funding right, and so parents will go and push sykes
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: to say, well, my kid deserves the day, needs the diagnosis.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: You've got to give in the diagnosis, and they'll cut
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: crook if a doctor actually says, well, no, I don't
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: think your kid qualifies, and then they'll go to someone
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: else who will give it to them. These things have
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: been so overblown and there is taxpayers money tied up
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: in all of it. There was a story not that
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: long ago where the largest the schools sorry, where the
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: largest number of students were getting special requirements in their
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: exams were not as you would suspect maybe lower socioeconomic schools.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: They were schools in higher socioeconomic areas, particularly private schools.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: So this might be things like you get an extra
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: ten minutes in your exam or you get to do
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: it on a computer instead of writing with a pen.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Special requirements that you get given because apparently you've got
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: something that means you needed. It's going on mostly in
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: higher socioeconomic and private schools because they've worked out how
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: to game the system. Oh this kid's got adhd well,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: they can be at an advantage. Now that's going on,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: and that's what needs to be stopped. Now another council story.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I know it's yet another night on the Late debate,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: isn't it when I've got a negative council story for you?
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: But here is one. We'll go down to Victoria tonight.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Melbourne Merrybeck Council, the council with a made up name,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: and yes that is true. You may well remember when
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: they changed their name to Mery Beck because it was
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: allegedly an indigenous name. A local indigenous elder came out
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and said, no, we've never heard of Mary Beck in
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: the language. But so woke they are that they've got
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: their fake indigenous name that they're now going to paint
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Pride flags on footpaths and on streets.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: This is going to the council this week to be endorsed.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: They've got eight places where they say they potentially want
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: to do this. It's going to cost them forty five
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: grand to put some colorful paint in eight places on
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: the road and the footpath.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Number one.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: We don't need Pride flags on the road anyway, or
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: the foot bath. I thought the point of the foot
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: bath was to put my feet on it, and the
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: point of the road was to put my car on it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I would have thought it was rather insulting to trample
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: on a flag or drive over a flag. I'm not
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: sure why that's the place you'd want to put it
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: in the first place.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: They're going to.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Spend five grand on public consultation, so they've already decided
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: the eight places where they think they're going to do it.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: But they could have just been five grand asking people
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: whether they should put them there in the first place.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Why do councils do their stuff.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, you want to talk about painting on the
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: roads for forty five grand, how about finding some potholes.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Just go and fill the potholes in right.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: There's so many other things you could be doing with
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: roads instead of painting gay.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Flag the well.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Apparently there's no cost of living crisis in Merribeck Council.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: If you think that this is a good use of
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: forty five thousand dollars, get this though, the size of
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: these flags will be large enough to stretch across entire intersections,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: measuring an estimated eight meters in length and four meters
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Why these things are going to be absolutely ginormous jokes
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: on me because I laugh every time I go to
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Wavery Council, which is Bondi way here in Sydney. They've
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: got a ginormous rainbow around their council building. You have
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: to step or drive over it in order to get
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: into the council chambers.
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: And I've always thought that this is just as ridiculous
• 33:45
  Speaker 9: as the racism not welcome.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: He assigns that councils have also spent tens of thousands
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: of dollars on because again, why are you infering that
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: people in your patch are racists?
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: Why are you infering that they're bigoted?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: That you need to have these massive, grandiose signs and
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: displays of these kinds of people are welcome here. If
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: you're a man that sleeps with men, you are welcome here.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: What in God's name is going on that this has
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: become a trend. Now, how about we just say everyone's
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: welcome everywhere.
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: We are one, but we are many. This is Australia.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: We're a melting pot of races creeds from all.
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: Over the world.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: And yes that includes any gender identities.
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: And it just goes without saying.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: But now, Freyer, we've created this culture in which, unless
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: you fly the flag and put up your racism not
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: welcome here, it's implied that those people.
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: Aren't welcome in your council.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: This is the ridiculous situation we've created.
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: And here's the thing. If you actually put these up
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: in a council, that worsea anti LGBTIQ, right. So I
• 34:59
  Speaker 9: don't how you'd figure that out.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: But let's say that they thought they were addressing an actual,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: real issue in their community.
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: You just show the flames of resentment. It's going to
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: be an absolute own goal.
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: I just don't understand why councils keep doing this. Now
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: I'm in the Inner West Council and they spent a
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: whole They spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on a
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: pride statue, like literally just a statue, a rainbow statue
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: in Newtown. Meanwhile, I'm driving through the streets of Roselle,
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: and it's like you could be driving in a country town.
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: Sometimes the roads are so bad, poorly maintained, the grass
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: and the median strips aren't moan.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: It's like, what are we.
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: Paying rates for some of the highest rates, by the way,
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: for pride statues in Newtown when our own grass is
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: not moan and the roads aren't maintained.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: It is just ridiculous.
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: I was going to say, I don't know if anyone
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: in Marybeck voted for this, but then I started digging
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: into the council att bit more, and look, I think
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: they deserve exactly what they get because they have a
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: socialist on the council and until two months ago they
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: were flying the Palestinian flag, and back in twenty twenty
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: four they wanted to double the rates just for landlords
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: in Merriback. So I will not be moving to Merriback
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: anytime soon. And if they're voting for socialist councils, then
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: their rates can be spent on pride flags.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Look, look, I deserve the right to drive over the
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Pride flag. I've have forgotten, no sake, what I'm not
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: living in a serious city unless there is a.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Pride flag on the road that I can drive a
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: va over. That's how it goes in this coming.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Seriously, don't build one in La Kimber and see how
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: it goes. After the break, we'll get into the papers.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: One state is getting rid of their renewable energies targets. Yes,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: it's only one that can.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: It should cause the dominos to fall. We'll find out
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: apple this well.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Earlier on in the Sky News Daily Telegraph People's Forum,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albert these he said, no, he's not been part
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: of the higher spending government since whittlerm He said, it
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: was you, mister Dutton in the COVID years in the
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: highest spending government.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I think we have some new numbers on the
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: front of the OS.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Indeed, the OS seems to have pre empted this claim
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: by Alban Easy with this headline smacking his claim down.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Labor lifts spending higher than COVID years.
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: The headline reads.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Labor's spending will reach more than thirty thousand per person
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: within four years, eclipsing government expenditure during the pandemic and
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: reaching the highest per capita levels on record. As Peter
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Dutton says, the country will be plunged into recession. If
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanesi is returned to office, well I guess we're
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: getting plunged into a recession then. But of course Anthony
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Albanisi will just blame this on Trump's global trade war.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: It's all those tariffs and the effects that it's hard
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: on the supply chains, and I can see it now.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: It'll just be too easy for him to dodge being like, oh,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: this isn't really at all.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I think the whole Trump situations would have been manner
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: from heaven for Albanizi desert. He's been loving it because
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: again it's something else he can point to. But the
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: fact that even tonight he was carrying on about the
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: fact that, oh, well you know, you don't were part
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: of a COVID government, so you spend a lot of money.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: How do you point out how much money I've been spending.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't see labor come up with a
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: better plan throughout COVID.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I'll maintain it.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I said at the time that the inflation that came
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: afterwards was entirely predictable, because what happens when you pump
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of government money into an economy.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Exactly what we saw happen.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: But I didn't see Albanizi or anyone else jumping up
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: and down at the time saying I know how to.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Do it for least money.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: No.
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: In fact, labor wanted to spend more, fifty billion dollars
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: more if I recall correctly, and remember when labor came in,
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: inflation was already running it around six percent. There was
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: no reason. Unemployment was already very low, inflation was high.
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: There was absolutely no reason for them to spend an
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: extra four hundred and twenty five billion dollars, which is
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: what they've done over the last three years. So when
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: they should have been raining in government spending to bring
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: down inflation, so the RBA didn't have to hike rate
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: so much, they just went, heck, let's provide cost of
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: living relief that actually just pushes up inflation and makes
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: the cost of living worse. Like they are just their
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: understanding of economics. I hate to say, it is just
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: so limited. They should stick to the political science.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Like doctor Jim, you won't get any argument from us.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Another extraordinary story on the front of the OS. If
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: you're with Australian super you might want to check your bank, well,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: not your bank balance, but your superbalance. Australian Super sat
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: on its hands for almost a week after scammer's wiped
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: out more than four hundred thousand dollars from a member's
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: account and funneled it through the Commonwealth Bank, only alerting
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: the bank six days after the victim raised the alarms.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: So get this. This was revealed by The Australian on Monday.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: But this is further on the story. Scammers siphoned four
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: hundred and six thousand dollars from a seventy four year
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: old Queensland woman's account between March twenty and March twenty seven,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: wiping out ninety percent of her retirement seetings. She called
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: them up. Props to her for noticing. I certainly wouldn't.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Can't remember the last time I checked my super.
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: She called, this is what's going on?
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: And whoever she spoke to you in the call center
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: didn't even escalate it, didn't even tell anyone.
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: Hey, this woman's just had almost half.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: A million dollars disappear, just be withdrawn from her account.
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: What an extraordinary.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Sorry, she obviously knew it was not there because she's
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: relying on this Money's bloody, she's gone hang on a
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Minuifi retirements able to.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: This is piece poor by Australian Super.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I mean you expect a certain level of service, of course,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: but I suspect that they were so embarrassed by what
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: happened here.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: The idea that.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Someone could just take someone else's super annuation away and
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: they were like, oh, well, we'll just kind of bury
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: it and think we'll get away with it.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: That is really bad back.
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: But the fact that it took them six days from
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: when she called up to when they actually notified the bank, Like,
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: that's what I don't understand. If someone calls you up, going, hey,
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: I think ninety five percent of my retirement savings are gone,
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: you go straight to the top alarm pell should be ringing,
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: But no, I don't know what the call center was doing,
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: but they should be sacked.
• 41:38
  Speaker 9: Indeed, imagine being this pensioner.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: She was actually notified by two letters from Australian Super
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: just being like just confirming these withdrawals, because there were
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: six different withdrawals, just confirming these withdrawals that you made.
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: Can you imagine reading those letters? You'd feel sick to
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: your stomach.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Third headline on the front of the oards Queensland, you
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: acts renewable targets in blow to labor federal government.
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: Do you have any states left on board at this rate?
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Queensland will dismantle the mining state's renewable energy targets and
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: keep call fired power stations operating for at least another decade,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: throwing Anthony Albanesi's climate vision into jeopardy.
• 42:24
  Speaker 9: My goodness, I genuinely.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Don't know that there's a state left on board with this.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: I can't name a state now that doesn't have green
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: hydrogen projects or ice or they've just turfed them all together.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: And that's just to name one of the kinds of
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: projects that the FEDS have been pushing their entire ten
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: You well.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Reality bites, doesn't it eventually, And they're saying, we've got
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: to keep the coul fired power stations open. I hope
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton's reading that story tomorrow and taking some inspiration
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: from it, because, as we're talking about earlier, we need
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: something bold on the table, and that sounds like something
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: good to me, saying, look, we all know we're not
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: going to meet these zero by twenty thirty targets. We're
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: not going to meet our renewable energy targets by twenty thirty,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: so let's just throw it all out and start again.
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: Well, and you've seen in Victoria and New South Wales,
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: both labor states, and they've been forced to spend hundreds
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: of millions of dollars of taxpayer money extending coal five
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: power plants because you simply cannot wish your way into
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: a net zero world. Eventually you actually have to confront
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: reality and deal with the hard reality that hey, we
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: need always on power, not power that just stops when
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: it's not sunny and it's not windy. And now over
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: in the Newcastle Herald on that energy theme, reactors drought
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: of luck. Five of the coalition's seven planned nuclear power stations,
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: including the one slated for the Hunter, could be turned
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: off or run at a trickle during drought to avoid
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: rewriting the way scarce water resources are distributed in Australia.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: Now opposition leader previously announced his plants to build the
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: nuclear plants at existing col fire facilities, costing around three
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: hundred and thirty billion dollars, and one of these in
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: Newcastle was one selected. But part of this pitch was
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: that no extra water would be required. Except now the
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: group liberals against nuclear have commissioned a study which says, no,
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: you would need a lot of extra water to run
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: these nuclear plants. But look, I would rather have nuclear
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: that may not work in a drought than solar and
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: wind that will definitely not work when it's dark and
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: it's not windy. It's like, obviously there are risks with nuclear,
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: but the risks with solar and wind are so much
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: more obvious.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Well, and we know what happened in South Australia when
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: they had a storm as well, back in twenty sixteen.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: But so what if it requires more water.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, sure you can make the environmental argument that
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: sits not great, but they know what happens with the
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: solar panels and wind turbines when they get decommissioned, don't they.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: And there's no way of doing this that is one
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: hundred percent good for the planet. No.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: And as we've discussed before, these locations aren't set in stone.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: So if new research like this were to come to
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: light that makes certain locations no longer feasible or affordable
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: for whatever reasons, they'll just come up with we're not
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: getting the picks out. There's no tractors turning sod. Yet,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: everyone calm down. There will be so much homework that
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: goes into finalizing, should it come to this, finalizing the
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: locations of these nuclear energy plants very.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Quickly before we get to the break.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: On the front of the cans Post tomorrow, it says
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Neil for Trump they're in p candidate in a must
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: win Queensland seat, previously blamed feminists for aiding Donald Trump's
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: election loss and label China a grub of a country.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the problem is, to be.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Honest, Larkhardt hopeful Jeremy Neil, on the social media platform
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: previously known as Twitter, also railed against COVID nineteen restrictions, vaccines,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: and for the ABC to be defunded. He has now
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: apologized and said that his comments were poorly worded, and
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: he offered an unreserved apology. But I mean, for goodness sake,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: you can't even tell the truth anymore without ending app
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: on the front of the paper with some sort of gotcha.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: This is why we don't get people going into politics,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: because they don't want to deal with this stuff. After
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: the break, politician versus Ostrich, who's going to win?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: We'll show you the footage soon.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Now, if you can get over your eco anxiety and
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: leave the house, you may well want to go to
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: an eco retreat, which people had been doing in Sweden
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: until it all came undone Forreyer.
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: Well, that's right.
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: A Danish couple is on the run, having fled to
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: Guatemala evading tax authorities in Denmark.
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: Except the awkward part.
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: Is they ran this eco retreat, but upon the vanishing,
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: it's now been discovered that in their wake they have
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: left behind no less than one hundred and fifty eight
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: barrels of human waste. They also pumped waste water directly
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: into the forest, and they abandoned animals. Some ducks even
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: died after being left outside overnight by this couple that
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: claimed to be running a luxury eco retreat.
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: It's like, I just love this from the eco warriors.
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: It's like, we'll claim to stand for the environment, but
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: then we're gonna leave behind one hundred and fifty eight
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: barrels of human effluent and destroy the environment around us.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: How had no one picked up on the smell before
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: all of this happened. But what the bit I don't
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: get is you've got one hundred and fifty eight barrels
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: of the stuff, so you've been hoarding this for quite.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Some time as your prize jewels.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: But if you were an eco warrior and you've got
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: barrels full of Pooh and Wii, wouldn't you just bury
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: them and enrich the soil.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: On your hand?
• 48:09
  Speaker 9: That would be eco friendly. But what a sham. Just
• 48:13
  Speaker 9: another another day, another sham. Well.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is in what appears
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: to be Texas at a wildlife park on a holidays,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: taking the todd largest to see the sights and sounds
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: when an ostrich decided to take him on, despite him
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: sitting there in the safety well he thought the safety
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: of his own car. The video was shared to social
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: media by his wife, Carrie Johnson, with the caption too
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: funny not to share hilarious. The toddler thought it was hilarious.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Would they let your dad gets picked by bloody osby?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: I just want to know which of the policies this
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: ostricher obviously had a problem with.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: You know, saw Boris Johnson coming and thought I don't
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: like this.
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: I just love how Boris Johnson is just he just
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: always embodies Boris.
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: He's so funny, like him or not.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: That's it from US tonight Coming up nets to reader
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Paddy