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Jason Lee Tells All: Beyoncé Controversy, Rihanna & Cardi B, and the Truth About Latto's Team · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 2: Good Funck.
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  Speaker 3: Will nobody think about my relationship with Beyonce, because it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't matter what people think. They're free to think whatever
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  Speaker 3: they want as it relates to Beyonce. The people around her,
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  Speaker 3: like Angibn's who I love knows, Ty Hunter, who's a
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  Speaker 3: friend of mine, who introduced me to Beyonce, knows Neil
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  Speaker 3: who does her here, who's a friend of mine, knows Jules,
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  Speaker 3: her nephew knows. You know, Kelly Rowland, who I talked
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  Speaker 3: not long ago, who saw the Internet stuff. We had
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  Speaker 3: a conversation. She knows how much I love her. I
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  Speaker 3: checked you and oh yeah, Kesh, Kelly checks the girls. Kelly,
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  Speaker 3: you know what's so crazy?
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  Speaker 2: Are we talking now? Are we in it?
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  Speaker 3: We're in it.
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  Speaker 1: So listen, rain drops, you're not seeing double and something
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  Speaker 1: happens where you and I.
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  Speaker 3: Crash and burn. Who would be entertained?
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  Speaker 1: But listen, I'm here with somebody who is a friend
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  Speaker 1: of mine. I'm super proud of him. He is a
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  Speaker 1: media impressario.
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  Speaker 3: He is a boss. He's also a politician. He is
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  Speaker 3: additionally a.
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  Speaker 1: Man that has Hollywood on lock. Give it up for
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  Speaker 1: the King of Hollywood, Jason Lee.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I tend to think I'm the king of
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  Speaker 2: the world. At this point, I'll take Hollywood.
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  Speaker 3: I have to conquer one demographic at a time, one
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  Speaker 3: general location, but geographically, you know, I.
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  Speaker 2: Touch every point in the world.
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  Speaker 3: At this point, you are on Carlos King's couch. Bitch.
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  Speaker 2: I love it, a couch that I paved the way
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  Speaker 2: for you to have. You know, this is the problem.
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  Speaker 3: This is problem with a bitch who gets a couch
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  Speaker 3: from Ashley's furniture and thinks these other bitches that try
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  Speaker 3: in here all of a sudden gave him a crown. Bitch,
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  Speaker 3: The crown that you polish every day comes with the
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  Speaker 3: Jason Lee shine. So yes, I am here, I am
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  Speaker 3: gracing the couch. I see everybody else. Son, I love
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  Speaker 3: this show. It's always viral. I saw the four point
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  Speaker 3: twenty six billion in pressures. I'm like, oh that's cute.
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  Speaker 3: Let me go on and put my forty billion out.
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  Speaker 3: You know who's counting, who's counting. We're all doing the work.
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  Speaker 3: You look good, by the way, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: So the thing is this, you know, I watch your
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  Speaker 1: shows weekly and I'm aware of you being like this
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  Speaker 1: health nut.
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  Speaker 3: So listen, gays and the days and the girls. You
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  Speaker 3: look good.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: What are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: It's money, It's absolutely money.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, to all of you out there saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but he used to be fat, and then there's other
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  Speaker 3: people saying, but I love fat Jason, and there's other
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  Speaker 3: people saying, yeah, he wasn't fat, he was thick. No,
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  Speaker 3: I was fat as fuck. I was three hundred and
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  Speaker 3: twenty three pounds. I lost control myself after years of
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  Speaker 3: trauma and no excuses. And I'm not like asking for
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  Speaker 3: sympathy or empathy, like just motherfucker started drinking and not
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  Speaker 3: partying and being reckless and not working out and had
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  Speaker 3: lost myself. You know, yes, you saw the Recula clip. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: I was snacked in now I'm a snack again. Snack
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  Speaker 3: is back. Anyway, I was three hundred and twenty three
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  Speaker 3: pounds and then I was on TV and it still
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  Speaker 3: didn't change me. Like people were seeing me like, oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, you know you're cute.
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  Speaker 2: It up, No I wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: I was cute, but I was like the fat cute friend. Well, anyway,
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  Speaker 3: So I tried to lose weight for like a year.
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  Speaker 3: Couldn't lose no weight. So I went to Houston. Shout
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  Speaker 3: out to doctor Marvin. Cut half my stomach out, got
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  Speaker 3: the gastric sleeve, dropped one hundred and twenty three pounds,
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  Speaker 3: got down to two hundred, got in the gym, started
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  Speaker 3: drinking lots of water.
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  Speaker 2: But then I started getting.
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  Speaker 3: Obsessed with health like micronutrient testing, nad stem cell, vitamin
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  Speaker 3: ivy therapy, and then like now I'm in it. And
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  Speaker 3: then of course now I'm about to be forty nine.
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  Speaker 3: I'm one year away from being fifty. So now I'm
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  Speaker 3: into like boatogs fillers, what does the threading shit look like?
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  Speaker 3: And like I'm like just in this whole process of
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  Speaker 3: wanting to you know, age gracefully, but juzz it up
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  Speaker 3: a little bit here and there. Yeah, I ain't gonna
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  Speaker 3: look like a cat like some of the girls.
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  Speaker 2: Sit on your couch.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, around you know, I ain't playing around
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  Speaker 3: because when it dropped, it's just time to drop. Like
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  Speaker 3: we were like, it's gonna drop at some point, like
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna age gracefully, you know, with a little aging gracefully.
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  Speaker 3: And the thing is you're you're biracial. Yes, so your
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  Speaker 3: mother is Italian and Greek, okay, and my father's black okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So are you afraid of tapping into that other side
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  Speaker 1: where they say it doesn't age as gracefully?
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  Speaker 3: No? No, because I mean listen, you know when I
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  Speaker 3: was younger and people say, oh Jason Lee with the hair,
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  Speaker 3: Jasonally with the point to oh Jasu's cute, da da da.
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  Speaker 3: For years I was like imprisoned in this like objectification
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  Speaker 3: that I had to look at or be a certain way,
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  Speaker 3: when like I always thought I was a hustler, I
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  Speaker 3: was a finessor I was smart, I was you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean, being being cute, having long hair, like
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  Speaker 3: that's what all that wears off. At some point we
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  Speaker 3: know that we see people well set for Barack Obama,
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  Speaker 3: he looks damn good I don't even know how he
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  Speaker 3: looks great and Michelle Obama, but you know, I mean
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  Speaker 3: I really think like for me, it's really about being healthier.
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  Speaker 2: I stopped drinking three years ago. That's another thing that you.
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  Speaker 3: Don't drink alcohol at all.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a bit, not a drop.
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  Speaker 3: I stopped. I kicked it just like that. No alcohol.
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  Speaker 3: I don't smoke weed. I mean I do smoke hookah
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  Speaker 3: here and there, but like I don't do any drug
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  Speaker 3: have never done hard drugs, and so yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 3: for me now it's just like the best quality life
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  Speaker 3: that I could live because you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, I got a lot of shit going on right now?
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  Speaker 3: What made you want to get sober? I was reckless?
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  Speaker 3: Did you not see the Internet? I used to burn
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  Speaker 3: the Internet down all the time. That wasn't because the alcohol.
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  Speaker 3: I think the alcohol just gave me the permission to
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  Speaker 3: not really give a fuck, because I was like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't give a shit. But you know, I think for me,
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  Speaker 3: I gotten to a point where I was just becoming
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  Speaker 3: just personally reckless.
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  Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh no, it's going the
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  Speaker 2: wrong direction.
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  Speaker 3: And I was already in therapy, so I was talking
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  Speaker 3: to my therapists about you know, maybe I want to
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  Speaker 3: stop drinking. And he goes, well, why don't you go
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  Speaker 3: out and stop drinking, just drink, have one drink. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a one drink person. If I drink one drink,
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  Speaker 3: I'm want to go to sleep. So I got to
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  Speaker 3: drink at least two. Then two leads to five, then
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  Speaker 3: five leads to the bottles. And we were spending like
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  Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars a month just going out drinking and
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  Speaker 3: partying and hanging out. So it became like, okay, I
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  Speaker 3: need to be more cost responsible, So I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: cut this cost all right, I don't need to drink,
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  Speaker 3: and now I need to drink to go out and
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  Speaker 3: have fun. Okay, so I want to go out. I
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  Speaker 3: want to learn how to have fun without liquor. So
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  Speaker 3: when I first stopped drinking, I would go out, and
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  Speaker 3: I mean I was there for maybe five minutes. I
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  Speaker 3: would go home because now I'm like, no, I need
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  Speaker 3: to challenge myself to be able to go out and
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  Speaker 3: have a good time and actually have real interactions. I
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  Speaker 3: will tell you there was a defining moment that when
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  Speaker 3: I finally got sober, I started looking at everybody different,
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  Speaker 3: like why is this person right here? Why am I
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  Speaker 3: listening to this person? And why am I asking you
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  Speaker 3: for advice? And I really started just doing a full
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  Speaker 3: assessment of choices I had made, relationships I had developed,
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  Speaker 3: and really like, what's the trajectory of the life I
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  Speaker 3: want to have? And so I stopped drinking and really
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  Speaker 3: started focus on a more purpose driven life. And that's
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  Speaker 3: what led me into poly and led me into like
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  Speaker 3: my nonprofit and the impact the wards getting as big
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  Speaker 3: as it is now and all the things.
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  Speaker 1: The thing with you is this, and I and listen,
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  Speaker 1: I've said this to you personally and I even say
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  Speaker 1: it publicly in my podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I am very proud of what you built.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, because I know what it's like to be
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  Speaker 1: the man of color, especially an obly gay man of color,
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  Speaker 1: to try to build something in Hollywood. And we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into a lot of the stuff you went through in
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  Speaker 1: this business. But before that, your childhood wasn't sweet. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you've been very open about molestation, You've been very open
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  Speaker 1: about trauma, dealing with abuse. Talk to me about who
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  Speaker 1: Jason Lee was as a kid that propelled you to
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  Speaker 1: where you are now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean as a foster kid, you know when
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  Speaker 3: your mom, you know, gives you away and then like
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  Speaker 3: you literally are being handed over to a woman you
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  Speaker 3: don't know to take you to a place you've never been,
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  Speaker 3: with people you don't have a clue who they are,
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  Speaker 3: and then like live in stranger care for five years.
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  Speaker 2: You lose a sense of what your world is.
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  Speaker 3: Because the world I had with my mom when she
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  Speaker 3: was sober, when she was working in law enforce meant
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  Speaker 3: like there's Christmases, there's Santa Claus, there's furniture, there's your
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  Speaker 3: own bedroom. And then now your bed is gone, Now
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  Speaker 3: your couch is gone, Now your TV's gone. So as
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  Speaker 3: you start to lose sense of like what normalcy is,
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  Speaker 3: and then you go into this world to come out
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  Speaker 3: of that and be thrust it back into what I
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  Speaker 3: call the jungle because kids were mean, the school system,
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  Speaker 3: public school system was crazy, Like the whole world was
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  Speaker 3: different than what I'd been accustomed.
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  Speaker 2: I had to really like figure out survival.
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  Speaker 3: So when I wrote my book, God must have forgotten
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  Speaker 3: about me, the first chapter was surviving Stockton, because those
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  Speaker 3: streets really gave me the grit, It gave me the ambition,
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  Speaker 3: it gave me the courage and it gave me the
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  Speaker 3: fearlessness that it takes to apply to any business, to
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  Speaker 3: your business, to dating, to losing weight whatever.
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  Speaker 2: So I was.
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  Speaker 3: I became one of those people that I knew I
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  Speaker 3: deserved more because I had just lost everything. I'm like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: there's no way God put me on this earth to
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  Speaker 3: not have a family, to not have a home, to
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  Speaker 3: not have money, to not have a job, to not
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  Speaker 3: have love, Like I'm worthy of it all. So then
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  Speaker 3: when I started going in pursuit of it all, I
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  Speaker 3: learned very quickly like, oh, whatever I want, whatever anybody wants,
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  Speaker 3: and it's not just means anybody watching you. Whoever, if
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  Speaker 3: you really want it bad enough, you will structure your life.
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  Speaker 3: You will structure you finance, you will structure relationships, you
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  Speaker 3: will structure of time. You will become so disciplined in
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  Speaker 3: pursuit of it that you'll get it. Losing weight did
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  Speaker 3: that boom?
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  Speaker 2: Lost it all? Okay?
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  Speaker 3: You know, love, I ain't figure that one out yet.
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  Speaker 3: It's because all you fuck niggas out there, you know,
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  Speaker 3: running for office. I didn't just run for office for me.
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  Speaker 3: I found three other people and we all want together.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like, whatever I want, God, has showed me
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  Speaker 3: repeatedly that I can get it all if I really
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  Speaker 3: want it, But I got.
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  Speaker 2: To do the work.
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  Speaker 3: So you believe in the power of manifestation attraction. I
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  Speaker 3: believe in God most people that watch me and see
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  Speaker 3: me and all my antics. Because yeah, I have a
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  Speaker 3: day job. You know, you may go to taco bell,
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  Speaker 3: you may drive a bus, you may be a phlebotomist,
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  Speaker 3: you may be a teacher.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you're a producer. That's your job. You're great at
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  Speaker 2: what you do. I'm great at what I do. Turn
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  Speaker 2: this on.
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  Speaker 3: I can literally walk in here straight out of prayer service,
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  Speaker 3: Thank you God. But I'm a burn this bitch down
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  Speaker 3: the hill, hey devil, because that's just what I do.
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  Speaker 2: This the Internet.
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  Speaker 3: I've learned the virality of content and the coin attached
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  Speaker 3: and the global audience that I could reach. I don't
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  Speaker 3: need a phone number. I can reach you right here.
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  Speaker 3: So I've learned that. I've learned now how to take it,
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  Speaker 3: own it, license it, still own it, then take that
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  Speaker 3: and relicnse it, repurpose it and make millions of dollars
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  Speaker 3: from it. Having a ged So I'm now showing people like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't go to college. I didn't get a high
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  Speaker 3: school diploma. I got a ged which I don't even
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  Speaker 3: know where it is. But I'm still figuring it out
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  Speaker 3: and still in full control where I want to go
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  Speaker 3: and do it everything that I want to do. But
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  Speaker 3: that comes from my real belief in God. Like I
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  Speaker 3: know having watched my mother put a needle in her vein,
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  Speaker 3: put heroin in her vein, pass out.
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  Speaker 2: Eventually die from drug use.
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  Speaker 3: I watched my brother at a bar at my going
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  Speaker 3: away party hug me and tell me he loves me,
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  Speaker 3: gets shot in the head and die. I've watched so
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  Speaker 3: many things happen, get shot at fifteen, I've seen it
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  Speaker 3: all happened to where I know in spite of all
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  Speaker 3: of that, God said, I got you, like you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: be good. You know, I wanna get too much because
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking, like my therapist said, you should be dead
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  Speaker 3: in jail or on drugs. And I know the only
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  Speaker 3: reason I'm not because of God.
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  Speaker 2: So I love God.
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  Speaker 3: And I think when people meet me, they like they
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  Speaker 3: have an idea who I am for my job, but
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  Speaker 3: then when they get to know me, they're like, damn.
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  Speaker 3: He listened to God's with music he's you know, talking
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  Speaker 3: to Eline, to Adams, Kirk Franklin. These are his friends,
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  Speaker 3: and he chilling, but he really loves God and he's
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  Speaker 3: but I can't understand this other guy.
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  Speaker 2: And that's more of an indictment that I think.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, we're so focused on the clip of a
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  Speaker 3: person instead of the whole, complete person.
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  Speaker 2: And I just show up and do what I need
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  Speaker 2: to do to get through today.
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  Speaker 3: And I let people sit at home and be the
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  Speaker 3: armchair quarterback, armchair quarterback that they need to be to
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  Speaker 3: feel good about themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm fascinated about this because I'm like you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: a I'm a big believer in God and my entire
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  Speaker 1: life is because of him.
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  Speaker 3: My lassing is all of that.
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  Speaker 1: I work hard, but faith without works is dead. How
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  Speaker 1: do you reconcile though, because le's have real conversation. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you have been described as the messiest man in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 3: People think you are the devil.
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  Speaker 1: People have said about you, Jason Lee is the most
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  Speaker 1: dangerous man that has ever infiltrated this system.
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  Speaker 2: The conductor of chaos.
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  Speaker 3: You haven't called the conductor of everything. Yeah, But this
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  Speaker 3: is why I say to people to really and this
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  Speaker 3: is where I want people to hear. I'm whatever you
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  Speaker 3: want me to be. I'm whatever you think I am.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever makes people feel resolved in how they've assessed my
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  Speaker 3: whole life from a clip from a show, from a moment, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: It's fine, But I take a step out of that
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  Speaker 3: and say, at what altitude do you to navigate? I
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  Speaker 3: don't hang in the gutters where low level, low vibration
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  Speaker 3: conversations happen. In fact, I don't even hear that anymore
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  Speaker 3: until I sit in an interview and somebody says what
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  Speaker 3: they're hearing from people. What I would say is if
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  Speaker 3: I'm grocery shopping with Rihanna, which y'all saw, or I'm
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  Speaker 3: at the White House, or I'm in a meeting to
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  Speaker 3: talk about how to help foster kids or to grant
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  Speaker 3: build grants, whatever, I'm not hearing those conversations. I hear
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  Speaker 3: people who talk to me because they either respect what
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  Speaker 3: I've built or respect my heart and the driving ambition
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  Speaker 3: that I have. If I'm talking to my staff that
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  Speaker 3: are like, Yo, no matter what has happened COVID, no disaster,
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  Speaker 3: We've never lost the job, We've never lost the benefit,
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  Speaker 3: we never lost pay. We all got our raises, were
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  Speaker 3: all paid extremely well. They've been here since the beginning
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  Speaker 3: my brand. You know, it depends on who you're talking to. Now,
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  Speaker 3: if you're talking to Tamar Braxon, then she's going to
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  Speaker 3: have her opinion about me because of the fact that
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  Speaker 3: I woke up and realized that she was using me
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  Speaker 3: and built a relationship with Hollywood Unlock through Jason Lee
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  Speaker 3: and was trying to use my platform to attack Candy.
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  Speaker 3: Once I realized the game, I was like, okay, cool,
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  Speaker 3: and then she felt what that looks like because I
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  Speaker 3: don't handle betrayal well and I show up as my
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  Speaker 3: truth authentic self and when you burn me, you know,
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  Speaker 3: chances are you're probably gonna get burned. Now, I will say,
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  Speaker 3: that's the same Tamar Braxon, though, who was my friend
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  Speaker 3: who hung out with me, who I put money in
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  Speaker 3: her pocket so she could feed her family, who put
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: her on my platform, who brought around my show, I
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: did stuff with her, you know, the same person.
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't switch up overnight.
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: But the one thing I won't do is allow anybody
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: to use abuse or attack me and think that the
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: Lord that I serve won't give them the blessing of
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: a lesson not to do that to nobody else. So
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: the thing is is, I'm friends with Tamar too, right, friends. Yeah,
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: So when you let's define friend, cause in the industry,
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: well in the industry, who would be like, that's my friend,
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: that's a friend, that's my friend. I love the girls,
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know a lot of people. Yes, friends, yes,
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: now let me tell you friends like so, like I
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: get accused of dropping Rihanna's name a lot and I
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: just did it again. And the reason why and I
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: told her this yes yesterday day before. I need people
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: to understand, for real, beyond the music and the beauty
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: and the makeup and the they need to know at
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: the core of who you are, every fiber and fabric
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: of her body. She is the nicest, sweetest, most in
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: tuned finger on the postal culture lovable friend that you
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: can have. So when you have somebody like that, you
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: want to keep them to yourself, but you want the
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: world to know this is who she is. I want
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: to just tell a real store. I have not told
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: anybody what she did the other day and didn't ask
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: her to do it. So we go film the grocery
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: store thing. Right, did you see that of course, okay,
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: So we film the grocery store thing. It's a cute
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: little moment. D da da da if you look at that,
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: how she's cool with the cancer lady had that moment,
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: the fans, the store workers to put in the flowers,
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: her best friend Melissa and me and all the little thing.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: That's like, no production, that's just who she is. But
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: it's when we went back to our house. My camera
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: guy who is a thirty year old aspiring actor model
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: but does filming stuff on the side, and he's working
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: for me.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: His name is Paul Toway. Talented.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: You know, he's been in Hollywood for a while, and
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: he's had friends who could have put him on and
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: never put him in spaces because they want to keep
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: him in a keep him in a corner. We go
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: back to Rihanna's house. We're sitting there, we're chilling, and
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: she's talking.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: To me and we're in our thing.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: But I'm like, yo, you got to learn his story
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: because I want her to know the type of people
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna bring around her and the type people I
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: keep around me. He's from Africa. His mother and sister
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: were murdered in the war there, and so she's a
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: mother of three, and so he's telling her his story
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: and she's asking questions, and she's like, she's really intensely
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: trying to understand the trauma he's overcoming that, and she's
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: pouring into him. And he's sitting there and I could
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: feel having lost with my brother and mother, his emotion
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: that he was holding back and her pouring into him.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: And she came over and hugged him, and she changed
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: his life just just just with my being exit. So
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: like I drop her name, not because I want y'all
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: already know that's my girl. I want y'all to know
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: on a human level, why she's so fucking amazing. Anyway,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know where I was going with that. No,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: but you ask her which thinks friendship? No?
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, Deevin's frenchap.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: You only got to do to one person, one thing
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: before I know you're gonna try to do it to me.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: And now I'm at that level of awareness. Now now
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: I love Tamar at some point, right, I saw what
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: she did with Kashan. Why do you bring Kashan to
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: open up at your show? It's Kashan? Come on, I
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: love you, Ggjan, but come on, that led into what
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: it led into and all the things. I think James
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: w Reichanell lost the tooth or some shit or whatever.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: But you saw this video the other day where she
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: saw Candy at the Essence Fest and went over to
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Hugger and all that.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Candy ain't doing all that weird shit.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Candy know you was sitting mere seeing y'a autumn fell out.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Why are you talking to her? You know? When I
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: seen Candy at Carti's concert, I didn't put it on camera,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: but I went over and I said, hey, Bessie, and
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: she was like, no, we not besties.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: And I said, I know, and I owe you an
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: apology and I need to reconcile with you.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: And I had a private moment with Candy to re
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: earn her relationship because we had a relationship before, and
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: I said, I apologize that I was used to use
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: my platform to throw you out there like that. And
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: guess what, I will come on your show and let
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: you check me and tell your audience whatever.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: And then you come on my show and I'm a
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: love on you.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: And because I now have to rebuild in some areas
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: where I have reckless and blindly trusted people to go
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: in a certain way that hurt other people. You know,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: But but how's that her fault when you did it?
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Well, because if you because if if she says that,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: if she calls me to say, hm, did you see candy?
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Go look at this, She's wear a fake designer. Go
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: look look over there. Oh yeah, you know she ain't.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: She ain't got no money. You know you're talking to
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Hollywood unlocked.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: You're in the wait. You're not You're not kekeying on
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: the phone because I don't key keep. Do you call me?
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: We ke keep our people. I don't key key with nobody.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: You don't. I get get I get paid. I get paid.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Hey Rihanna wild Card. Anybody will tell you we don't.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: We don't gossip about it because I get paid millions
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: of dollars to do it.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I ain't doing it for free.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Don't call me on my phone when I'm trying to
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: figure out how to get from two oh five to
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: two hundred, how to find a nigga I want to
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: go on a date with how I'm gonna create a
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: policy for my community or raise millions of dollars to
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: help kids. Please don't call me and take away from
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: the time that's important to me. To talk to me
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: about whether or not Candy went down to the slosson
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: swat Man got her a fake Louis purse. I don't
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: give a fuck about that unless she got money in
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: it for Hollywood or not. I am a businessman. I
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: am an entrepreneur. My product is the things that come
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: out of here. But other than that, I saw you
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: at lunch there for so else. We sat down and
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: talked about business. We talked about money, we talked about
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: audience growth, we talked about culture, we talked about expansion.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: We did not talk about what The Girls is doing
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: in this and that. So this is the thing I
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: have had to learn that now that I have the
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: gift of going viral and storytelling and all that, be
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: very mindful of how you're talking to people and what
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: conversations you're having.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I listen intently when people talk to me.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: When somebody comes to me and says I love you,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I say why, Oh, because you be reading The Girls. Okay,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: so now I know you love my content. You don't
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: love me, got it, Jason, I'm so proud of you. Why.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I love what you're doing in Stockton and helping those
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: kids Okay, you're paying attention. You see me.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: When Rihanna and I talk, it's like, I'm so proud
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: of you. She pours into me. Tiffany, last night, somebody
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: says something to me and I thought they were playing.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: She jumped up and checked them.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: A celebrity or no, just a regular person saw me
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: out and was a fan that wanted to come and
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: check me on someone or not check me, but like
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: say something like a criticism which I've never gotten, which
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I thought was kind of That's why I thought it
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: was a joke, because I was like, oh, this is funny,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: you know, because it's never happened.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: And I didn't have security last night.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: And then Tiffany jumped up and Tiffany had it jumped
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: up and was checking them like what, And I was like,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: sit down because I know when now when people are
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: talking to Jason or.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: They're talking to Jason Lee from Hollywood or not.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: And that was a hard lesson to learn, because whether
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I'm talking whoever i'm talking to, I just I'm just Jason.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: I'm always just Jason until it's time to work or
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: you're doing something and I got a clap back or somebody.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: It's but that's work like it's but usually I think,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm just Jason, So yeah, this is reality
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: into the show.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: We work in Hollywood, and Hollywood is very pretential and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: all this, all, all of that, all of that. When
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: it comes to Tamar specifically, I will say, my experience
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: has been different than others. And the reason why I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: will say she's a friend to me is because there's
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: conversations that we have that's on some like spiritual personal stuff.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: And it's funny because she and I were talking maybe
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: last week, and what she said to me was I
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: love that you always tell me if I did something wrong,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: that if I did something wrong, she knows the call
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: and be like was I wrong? And I'll say to
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: her like yes, or I'll say to her in this case, no,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: it all depends, right.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: So I do agree with you though.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: The reason why I wanted to bring that up is
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: because that Tamar that I know, for example, and it's
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: just me and you have your own experience. Yeah, I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: too have a microphone. She's never said anything to me
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: that I felt she wanted me to say on my program.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: When it comes to your friendship with Rihanna? What is
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: so fascinating about it?
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: To the world?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Do they really care?
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure you saw this, so you know I'm
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a lying to you. People are like, Jason, what do
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: you have on Rihanna so that that she is friends
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: with you? Are you blackmailing Rihanna? Is Rihanna feeding you stories? Right?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: They there's people who don't get it. They don't understand
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: how this pop star, this international billionaire, icon, legend, all
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the things it is, friends with the likes these are
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: their words. Messy asked Jason Lee, How did that friendship form?
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: And how did that even come about?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: So let me say this, So the Weekend is a
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: friend billionaire Robert F.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Smith from Vista Capital, the second richest black man in
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: the country. Friend Tyler Perry, friend Rihanna friend. These are
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: not the only billionaires I know. I'm not her friend
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: because she's a billionaire. I'm not a friend because she's
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: a pop star. I'm not a friend because she's a
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: makeup icon. In fact, I had to argue a black
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: girl down who's pushing Selena Gomez. I'm like, girl, if
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: you ain't talking about Pat McGrath, you ain't talking about Rihanna.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Police don't talk to me because you are too black
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: to be talking about a white girl's makeup product. But anyanwy,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: welcome back to that. I am friends with Rihanna because
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I just love her. I love what she represents. I
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: love her story, her come up story. I love asat Rocky.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I was friends with him before her, and I love
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: their love story, and I love their family. I love
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: that they've embraced me, and I love more importantly that
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: she sees me as a human being. She always has
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: since day one. She's never asked me to do nothing.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: She never asked me for nothing. When she sees my
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: team on the carpet, she pours into those black journalists.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: She talks about the importance of supporting black journalists. When
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: her baby pictures were getting ready to get leaked on TMZ,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: she dropped them on Hollywood Unlock to put us right
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: out there.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: She didn't have to do that. I was in Dubai
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: on vacation. She called me to do it, and she said,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: and Rocky thought about it, and we want you to
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: have it.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: So when somebody can treat me and see me as
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: a human being and sees the total worth of who
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I am, not the not the byelines, because the byelines
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: are the b side of it all. Is like, that's
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: all entertainment, you know, I asked people sometimes go look
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: in the mirror.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Is the is the train wreck? The problem? Is the
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: conductor of the train the problem or.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: The audience standing by waiting and hoping that train continues
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: to wrect because it's highly entertaining. We're all a part
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: of this ecosystem of chaos.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't have this show if it wouldn't go viral,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: and you wouldn't be promoting the billions and billions of views,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: which is mostly on people spilling tea. So like, we're
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: all a part of this ecosystem. I think this bitch
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: has got a problem that I'm at the top of.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: That motherfucker.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Wendy wasn't handing the fucking throne to everybody. She was
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: handing it to me. Wendy was preparing me to take
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: her seat, because that's the seat I thought I wanted.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: We built a relationship. We spend lots of personal time together.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: I just talked to two days ago. Oh is she
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: she's good? She still looks fabulous. By the way, it
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: looks better than she ever has. But I mean, I
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: feel like she was preparing me because that's what I
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: thought I wanted to go into talk TV talk.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I thought I did. Now I was meeting with Fox
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: and all.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: The people, like I really want to and they were like, nah,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: you already dominating and the digital stay over there, we
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: coming over there. I'm like, no, no, no, no, because
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: that's what I thought I wanted, and Wendy was preparing
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: me for it. But that goes back to God. God
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: has never given me nothing that would get in the
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: way of the destination that He's built for me. Like
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: the crown I wear and the throne I sit on
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: ain't one that's competing with nobody, ain't one.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: And somebody gave me. I built Hollywood.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Unlocked from zero dollars in Instagram to a fifty million
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: dollar company that's competing with major news networks because of
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: hard work, God given vision and talent and an audience
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: that shows up for me even if I take a
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: break and go run for office. So I'm not really
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: worried about why people people say, do I have one?
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Let me just go through this now, do I have
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: anything on? Rihanna no, nothing but love. I do have
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: her Colonne on from from time to time. Do we
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: sell stories or share stories?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: No, we don't.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: We don't spend our personal time talking about people. And
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: in fact, she knows I'm in the middle of this
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: big business deal right now. And the last thing she's
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: asking about I was like, are you there yet?
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Are you almost there?
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Like you need help da da da. So it's really
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: about like just mutual support and love. I mean, she
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: loves me and I love her, And I think people
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: can't wrestle with the idea that people would like somebody
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: who's who does what I do. People think people don't
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: love Wendy. I love Wendy Williams, you know, I mean
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: people would think that. You know, people hate Andy Cohen.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I respect the shit out of Andy con people who
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: are doing what we're doing. You know, different people have
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: different I guess I don't know narratives about them. But
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I don't really consume myself with what the opinions of others,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: because you know, they all pay me. Either way good
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: or bad, You're still pay me. You did talk about
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: you building building this in pyr Brick by brick.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I want you to.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Say this in your own words in terms of this
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: assumption that the way you got into Hollywood was courtesy.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: When we who said I was a messy bitch because
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: they ain't send it to my face. And I bet
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: you this, you ain't gonna say their name, because I'm
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: gonna tell you right now, any messy bitch out there
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: they got something to say about me, I guarantee you'll
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: never say it in public, because one thing about me,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I am the recip king. You may be Carlos King, bitch,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: but I'm the receiver King. And I'm gonna tell you
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: right now, I wish a bitch would ever find the day,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: the hour, or the night. It could be a holiday,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: it could be on the sabbath. I want you to
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: sit down and say to me, Jason Lee, you're a
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: mess becuz of ex And I'm gonna tell you what
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: the exercise you're gonna see. I'm gonna take a bitch
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: on a trip. Let me get comfortable. I'm gonna take
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: them on a trip. Let's talk about that time you
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: were homeless and was sucking dick by that married man
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: to get your little coins to pay for your dog,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: to get some food.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying anybody in particular.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying anybody, let's talk about that how she
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: was living in the back and you couldn't pay no
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: bills in your Corroda bathtub.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I ain't saying no names. I'm just saying, could be anybody.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about the drugs and the nights of alcohol
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: when you were slipping out the club and couldn't carry
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: yourself home, so I had to carry you home. Talk
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: about all the mess. See the mess that I do
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: is I put it right out there in your face.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you see fat, sloppy Jason with horizontal
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: striped shirts having no business wearing those shirts like that
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: from fashion over for six dollars in Dominican Republic, living
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: his best beings in rightce lifey, I'm gonna show you
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: that nigga. I'm gonna show you the drunk ass nigga
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: in set in Mexico with a sombrero on telling Safari
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: he got a nice dick while he's live for beet
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: and then y'all talking about my hero. And I'm gonna
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: show you all that. I put my mess out there.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Why because it makes me millions of dollars. But I'm
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: also going to show you the guy who goes and
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: builds the thing for kids, and goes and helps and
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: leads kids on financial literacy, and runs for office and
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: changes policy and makes his community.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I'm all of that.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: But I dare you, I'll give you one hundred thousand
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: dollars you find somebody that will have the courage, that
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: has history with me that I know about, that will
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: sit on a camera in front of the world and
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: tell me I'm a mess, and bitch, just keep that camera.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: You see all these lights on these cameras, you keep
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: themar they'k gonna do it. Hey, part of the record.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: And you know I don't lie to you, bitch. No
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: celebrity ever talked shit about you to me.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: So is it the punks? No?
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: No, no, No.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: What audience we talk about When I say people say
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: you're message, it's on social media?
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Online people social media?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, ain't nobody read come on that the thing.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: But I will say this the reason why I think
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: the world real shit. You are this this fascinating character
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: to people. Yeah, yes, but you but you know you are.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: You lean into when you saw what you just got right,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: there was the character like I'm gonna go back to
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: being Jason. That that guy, y'all need to leave him
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: alone because he really has taken a break.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: The guy that you just saw right now that did
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: the all of that. See, that's that's easy to do.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: But that low vibrational energy that I've stayed in for
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: years as I was building this company, brick by brick
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: that made me all the mans, they gave me the pluffer.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: That ain't where I'm at anymore. I don't want to
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: be there no more. I really don't. I don't want to.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: You don't see me going viral like that anymore.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Really sees people are gonna take those clips and they're
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: gonna start tagging people. He talking about you, He talking
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: about you, He talked, Oh they are. I wasn't literally
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: wasn't talking about anybody. I wasn't talking about anybody I saw. No,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I really swear to god, I wasn't.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: All of us examples were just me just being messy
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and doing what It was not about one person.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, not about one person, not about anybody.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: It literally wasn't. There was no body in my mind
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: as I was saying that was that was me saying
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: things to get them going. But what people will say
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: is I'll see there go. Yeah, that is what I
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: used to do to feed you low vibrational niggas content.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: But that content is not what I'm about anymore. I'm
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: I've created the Impact Awards. It's a stage that I've
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: built to honor some of the most amazing people for
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: their impact on culture.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I am not in all that no more.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: And so so, Yeah, while I was that, and I
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: was a part of that, and I could understand why
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: people would say, oh yeah, it was messy. Yeah I did.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I did all that, but I was a part of
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: that ecosystem where all that.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: When Andy Cohen is sitting up there with the girls
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: and he has his little que cars and he's you
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: do the same shit too, because y'all both two pieces
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: of a pod. Baby, this is just the black one,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: he the white one. But y'all both like the same
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: color niggas too. Let's talk that. Because Andy Kinge stopped
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: chasing them brown boys. I think he's in a relationship now.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: But anyway, I saw them he white. Hey Andy, anyway,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: y'all stand up there with them cars. Y'all sit them cars.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: You you all know what you're doing, getting the girls going.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: You just sit back and you just you just you
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: throw the corn meal on the ground and let the
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: chickens fight for you. And the guy behind the camera's
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: fucking laughing why because he knows. Oh, they throw the
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: corn meal out and you chicken heads just killing cluck cluck,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: cluck cluck for these guys, and you know what, they
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: sit back and go. I can't believe it. They are
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: really the mess you guys are.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: It's just your it's just.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Your deliveries, not like no what you're segments. Why I
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: haven't interjected.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I actually agree with you that we're all a part
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: of this ecosystem that breeds mess in very different ways.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I think that you're just a conductor of a different
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: looking train.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: You may be Amtrak, I may be the thing with
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: the loud caboos, because it's just the delivery. It's the
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: train that's going down the tracks. One of them gonna
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: be loud and radley, and one of them gonna coast
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: and set and have the solar system were on. We're
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: both conductors. It's just I want to destroy the Internet.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: I want to burn it down. I want to I
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: want to cause volcanic eruptions. I want to say I'm
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: that Kanye of the shit. I love it because if
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: you're gonna do it, I'm gonna shoot you right in
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: your face. I ain't gonna stab you in your back.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: I'm a different type of person. I'm not gonna shoot
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: you or Savery, you know what I mean. Because there's
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: people that do slick shit for chaos and there's people
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: that just do it. And the type of person I was,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: I would just do it. But that energy comes with
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: a cost. It comes with a it comes with a
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: security cost, It comes with a guy to know who
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: out their cause, gotta know where you're going costs.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I know, I don't want to live in that no more.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: So now I'm doing you know, I switch it up
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: a little bit, you know.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: But this is the thing that I always tell people,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: and I'm glad.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I'm really happy that you are so honest about it,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: because when I look at Wendy, I look at Charlotte Maine,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I look at people who did start their career being
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: messy and really going going far in terms of talking
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: about celebrities for virality and saying the things that we
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: say at home.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: But you guys were brave enough to say it.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, but you look at Charlie Maine, who was similar
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: to what you were in the beginning, and he has
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: definitely transitioned out of that being more You know, I
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: was spoken about politics and other things. What I always
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: wanted to ask you is, and I tell the young
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: generation who want to be you, I want to be me.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: You're if you're messy for the sake of being messy,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: it doesn't feel good the moment the cameras are off,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: and like you said, you have to go home with yourself.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Talk to me about that, Jason Lee. Like, listen, you
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: made millions of dollars talking about so many people, and
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: some may say exposing them.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Right, No, no, well, no, no, no, no, I gotta
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: I stay in control of my narrative all times. I
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: don't expose people. No, there's no what do you call it,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: There's no exposing if I interview. Let's back up when
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: when I broke the story around the whole Jordan Woods
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: and Tristan thing years ago, and this is so many
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: years ago we shouldn't even be talking about it. But
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I'll just use that example. That wasn't exposing that he
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: was they were cheating. That was an information I got
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: confirmed with Chloe and then ran it with her support,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: and it went what it was. It was never a
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: surprise to her because she knew about it and she
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: went and comment on it, which is what made it
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: so vir What did Jordan know about it? Off, Well,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: her and Chloe had the conversation, so that was her
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: know about it. I'm not a publicist. My job's not
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: to get on the phone to make sure you know
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: everything about everything you already know.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: My job is to find out what I know, but
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: not anymore. Me and my team.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Obviously they find out what they find out and they
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: put out the news. But let me ask you a question,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: why are we not saying CNN is messy? They're spilling
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: the tea on Trump, hold on Andy Cohen, white Man.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: He got all these women up here, women fighting all
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: over the globe for a coin, spilling each other business.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: One girl on Utah or whatever. She went to prison
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: for this one. This one flipped over the table.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: This is needy. Don't know if she got a job anymore.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: All this chaos of mess every single industry, every single
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: person do it. Wendy's goes online and shades McDonald's. When
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Ice Spice gets hitting McDonald's. That's shade. That's mess, but
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: it's marketing. It's amazing. Everybody got mess. You can't be
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: mad at me for making millions out of it, or
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: you can, but it doesn't matter because it doesn't change that.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: It doesn't change my schedule, it doesn't change anything.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I think the brilliance of being able to learn how
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: to dominate a space with no marketing budget, with no
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: corporate backing, no corporate funding, just millions of dollars from
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: scratch building it. Yeah, i'd be mad at that too.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Why I'm competing with all the big boys. Everybody's doing it,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: and so I don't look at it as mess. You
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: said a word a minute ago that I would say.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: It takes a lot of courage. It takes all a
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: lot of courage to have an opinion about something. Because
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: when Charlottatne coined me a culture critic, that's really really
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: what you are.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: You have an opinion about everything. You know.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I don't expose, but I do have an opinion. When
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: you have an opinion, and it's hard to be popular
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: when you have an opinion. And I think about a
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: call I got from somebody in corporate America that said
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: you would be so much more successful if you just
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: didn't have an opinion.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I was like, who would I be?
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Who would I be if I just showed up, asked
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: you questions but didn't have an opinion about what you said.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Even The biggest thing for you that the world wants
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: to know is when you built your career off of that.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Did you feel good at the end of the day
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: when you felt like things may have went too far?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: My thread count is very high.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I feel good in every home I'm in, on every
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: first class flight I take, on every shopping spree I've
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: gone on, on every meal I've had, on every bill
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: that I don't ever have to examine because they're always
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: paid and on time. I feel very fine about everything
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: that I do, and I will never be guilted based
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: on my success, based on my level of the competition
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: that I tend to be on, which is at the top.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: I don't find myself competing with people's desire for me
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: to sulk in my success.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I don't. I'm fine.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: I got here, Okay, I'm gonna leave here, okay. I
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: think what people have to understand is, let's unpack it
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: a little bit. When I got on Love and Hip Hop,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: they wanted me to be the gay MESSI blogger in
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: a relationship. I said, I'm not gonna give you the relationship,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: but I'll go ahead and be the gay MESSI blocker.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Not a problem.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna make everybody's business my business. And that's when
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I developed a Jason Lee character and I went in
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: that show and my goal, as I said earlier, my
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: God given talent is to be in pursuit of something.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: No matter what it is, I'm gonna get it. My
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: goal was to dominate the screen time every time they
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: put the camera on me. So every time the person
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: over here behind the camera switches this red to this
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: red to this red, just like you did the camera
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: number two, it was on camera number four. When that
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: camera light is on and you produce TV, you know,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: my job, like Nini's job, like every star of every show,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: is to dominate the camera time.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: That's what I did.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: So my first season I had three episodes, but it
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: was the most three viral episodes to where the next
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: season I got ten episodes, and then the next after
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I left there on my own and went to Wild
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Out for five seasons, I came back fourteen episodes. So
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: I learned how to dominate my time on a camera.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: But what I learned really was what does final cut
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: approval look like?
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: You know what that is?
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Who has the final say in what it looks like?
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: So if you have a storyboard, Jason's the game MESSI blocker.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Every scene he's in has to be something that drives drama.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: So when they reintroduced me on season two eleven Hip Hop,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: it was troubles Back. So if you say to the
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: audience of six million people every week, troubles back, what
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: the fuck they gonna say? Here comes trouble, right, So
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: anytime I walk in a road, here comes trouble. People
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: don't even realize how the media is controlling the minds
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: of the people, how the consumer brands that advertise these
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: shows drive what they're able to put out to audiences.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: How many reality shows do you see it? And you
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: was in Atlanta Housewives. All the gay men gotta have heels, bags, makeup, purses,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: They gotta be girl girl, girl, girl girl. That ain't
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: all of us gay men. Black gay men are not
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: a monolith. We are not a side show. We are
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: not an ornament. We are not an accessory. So for me,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: it was like Noah loveing hip hop. I'm tired of
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: being this accessory. I'm tired of being this ornament. I'm
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: tired of being in scenes. I had to tell them,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: why am I in every scene with a girl when
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: I don't even hang with girls like that? All my
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: friends are straight men or game men. Why am I
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: in every scene is a girl? What? I don't want
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: to keep key and do nails and girl? Yo, men,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: that is not my world, But that's the world they
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: can't put him in because that's the image that they
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: want of a gay black man to the audience.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: So you know what, I said, fuck y'all, And I
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: went right over to wild'n Out with all them.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Niggas, Carlos Miller and DC, Young Fly and Nick and
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Conceited and all the guys shout out to all of y'all,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: And then I did all my gay jokes with straight
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: men because I wanted to show black people that black
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: people can in the culture, can be friends with a
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: gay dude, have fun jokes with a gay dude, not
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: be threatened by a gay dude. So I now I
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: start using my platform responsibly because I wanted to show
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: in this cultural iconic brand wild'n out what a gay
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: black man looks like and can coexist with his friends,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: and all my jokes were centered in my community in
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: a way that I thought was funny. So I started
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: learning the power of how to use this. That's why
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: now my show, every show I do and own, I
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: have ownership and I have final cut approval. Even when
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: we talk this weekend about a show, I'm like, I
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: ain't gonna show up as talent. We can co produce, code,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: develop whatever, but I'm definitely going to be in the
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: editing room. I'm definitely gonna have notes. So I definitely
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: have to have control over my image because I've given
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: it away. And for years I was typecast as a
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: person that this is who they wanted, and I felt
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: the guilt of only being able to show up as
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: that person because that's the person.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: That the audience fell in love with.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Now I'm like, look, I'm gonna show up and be
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: me and if you love it, great, and if you don't,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: I don't care. Only one time I can think of,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: and I've talked about it recently, not too long ago,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: that like, as I started evolving and sober and therapy
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: and all that. That was the Jennifer Hudson comment that
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: I made. I was like, you know what, she didn't
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: deserve that. She's been through a lot in life. I
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: actually like her and I'm a fan of hers, and
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: that was kind of fucked up. So I'm gonna own
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: that shit and fix it. But I didn't just fix
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: it online. I fixed it with her, you know, went
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: to her and her people because I started understanding like,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to battle anymore showing up to be
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: this viral sensation for the audience that loves me.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna just be Jason.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: And my audience has done exactly what queenly Tifa told me,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: get him in a choke hold and take them on
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: a trip with you. And now you know, my audience
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: has following me wherever I go. So you know, the haters,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: they haters are literally a stepping stearl of greatness.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: You got to have them.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: If you don't have a hater somewhere, you ain't gonna
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: be nobody.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Oh and that means that means you're not challenging the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: audience to feel something, whether it's through music or through
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: art or through the podcast.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Whatever. So I do agree with that. You really do
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: have a lot of friends in this industry, right.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: How are you able to foster these relationships with people
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: and still do your job at the same time, Like,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: do you just like go up to people say Hi,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I'm Jason Lee.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Are they sort of like stands office at first? Okay,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: So Hollywood Unlocked and this is why I when I
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: built my relationship with Kevin Hart, I told him, you know,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Hollywood Unlocked has a relationship with all of you.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Like, if you choose not to participate, that's on you.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Like les think about it like you're in a relationship
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: with your girlfriend or your boyfriend, but you don't talk
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: to him. They're still your boyfriend or your girlfriend til
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: you break up. And then if you have a breakup,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: it could be a really nasty one or it can
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: be just a friendly walk away, but you'll always have
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: a relationship with your ex.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Hollywood Unlocked.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Every single celebrity out there watching should have a direct
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: relationship with Hollywood Locked. Not your publicist, not your manager,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: not your agent, not your you, because you're the one
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: that can slide in our DM or call somebody and
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: get something changed like that, or put something out, not
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: your publicists who got to go through a whole system
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: and then we got to go back and forth, and
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: we don't even do that. Every publier out there knows
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: your jobs are on the line because we don't even
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: work with ch'all like that. There's some of you that
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: demanded Silverman's of the world, those who are respectful like
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: and that work with us and that our bosses and
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: get it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: They cool.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: I think that with Hollywood Unlocked, I'm not even over there, Like,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: I don't even know what my team has posted today
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: at all. I haven't seen one post because I don't
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: go over there at all unless I have to want
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: to ad.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I just want to.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I'm in a car, I want to scroll and see
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: what's going on, or I'm in the group chat when
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: there's things that are popping where all the writers are
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: talking and all that, so I can see it all.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: But I'm out building deals.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I literally just left a meeting with a major brand
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: about millions of dollars support to bring my programs to life.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: You know, when I leave here, I'm getting ready to
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: go do an amazing interview with somebody. But I'll use
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: last night as an example. So Tiffany and I had.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: We went to Kevin Durant's party and I walked in,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: and I mean I walk in. It's like Lebron James
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: is right there, Meet Mills right there. Okay, you know
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: every athlete is in the room. And you know, I
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: don't know what the stories have been written about them
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: on Hollywood on lot because I don't approve them. More,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: I don't write them. I don't write any stories. I've
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: never written a story that I can recall on Hollywood Unock.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: I approve or I review or I weigh in if
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: I need to, But like, I don't even know what
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: they be writing like that. But I see Meek Mill
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: and I go over to him. I've been wanting to
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: interview Meek Mill because I find him fascinating, but not
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: just the viral moments and the Nicki minajs and all that,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: but like, I love that what he's doing to do
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: prison reform. I love that he's getting people out of jail.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I love that he partnered with Michael Rubin and they're
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: looking at changing legislation. I like the fact that his
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: album When I Go In a Club has inspired communities
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: and in culture all over the world. That that time
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: is music. The time his song comes on, the club
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: goes crazy. That shows his cultural influence and relevance. So
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I want to be able to interview him, to show
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: him his flowers. So let's not I say, yo me,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: when am I going to get an interview? He was like,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't talk like that. I don't sit
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: down and do interviews because if no matter what question
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I'm asked, you liable to get the rualist answer in
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: the world.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Those are the interviews that I want to have.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: But I do realize, like there's some people like you know,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Lebrono wave, but he ain't gonna come down there and
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: talk to me, you know, and that's fine. Or you
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: know who else last I talked to I was with
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Surge last night. I Vodka, who's like my brother. I mean,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: you know, there's certain people who love me and see
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: me and embrace me, and then there's people who stay
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: away and wave. But regardless of the interaction relationship, every
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: single person has a relationship with Hollywood a lot.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Have you ever had a celebrity check you to your
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: face about something you or your website.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Check me to my face? Maybe on the phone, a
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: call here, or there. You know Tanna Taylor, she was
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: there last night. I've known Tanna since she was a
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: young girl. She called me one time. She's somebody who
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: I will say, no matter where she is or what's
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: going on or who's there, she's gonna tell you what
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: she thinks, which I respect. We have a relationship where
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: she did not like something that one of my writers
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: did and felt like they shouldn't have done it based
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: on our personal relationship, which I could understand her point
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: of view, And even though I explained to her my
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: thoughts on it and we didn't agree on it, she
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: was very passionate about it. One time, I think we
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: were at the Super Bowl at a party and she,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: you know, she was going off about it, and we
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: had a very heated conversation, but it was out of love,
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: you know, Like I love that girl, and I've watched her.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: I've watched her like grow in a space that people
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: doubted her and told her she wasn't worthy and wasn't
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: good enough.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: And now I just watched her.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: I was sitting in the lines of BT wards when
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: jan Jackson's giving her Awards's Golden Glow Winter me She's
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: literally doing what God wanted her to do, and she
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: took the time to get there. So her passion when
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: she was letting me have it wasn't because she was mad.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: It's because, like, I'm fighting for my fucking dream and
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: I feel like your team has been unfair to me.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: And I was able to digest that without taking it personal,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: like I don't hate you, I'm like I hear she's
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: going through real shit and trying to navigate an industry
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: that has not seen her, and she feels a way
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: by this post, which I don't agree, disagree with the post,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: but I get what she's saying. So, yeah, you know,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: there's those moments I've been at the White House where
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I've run into somebody. It's like, h we at the
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: White House. Once you in there, you can't just leave.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: It ain't like I'm gonna go on the patio like
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: you sip an eggnog next to the president. You gotta
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: sit there and sit your eggnog, no matter how uncomfortable is.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: You just can't let the Secret Service though that there's
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: beef in the room, you know. So it's one of
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: those things where like, yeah, I've been around people who
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: are mad, but like checking me, I mean, unless you're
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: gonna kill me and you're gonna let me leave and
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: get to a microphone.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: You don't want to do that.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: That's not an experience that anybody wants to have, and
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: I don't want to have that experience. So old Jason
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: probably has some conflict and we get in the room.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: It's uncomfortable, but not checking. We're I'm forty eight years old.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: I can't be checked. Is that the reason why you
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: feel they need to have security be with you when
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: you go on. No, security is to protect other people too.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: I don't want a lawsuit. You know, when you can
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: start making money, you start making millions at dollars. People
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: you get in situations where people sue you. I have
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: security is insurance. Their number one instruction for me is
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: I get home every day. So if that means you
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: gotta kill somebody, fight somebody, restrain somebody, we gotta run
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: whatever we gotta to do for whatever reason, or you
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: got to keep people away, that's your job. When I
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: go out, I get a table, not because I want
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: to be popping in the club. That's just my safe
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: space to invite the people that I want around me
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: to have a good time and socializing, Hey, how you doing,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: and da da da dah. But I don't like I
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: don't like people all up on me. I'm not even
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: like a touch me type person, So I don't like
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: to be hugged. I don't like none of that. And
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: my security make sure that wherever I go, I'm comfortable.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: But I don't have today. I don't have security.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: But you know, I go from car to building, building
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: a car, building a car, shopped car like I don't,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: you know, but yeah, I don't. But I don't even
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: have beef like that. So my security is more just
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: keep me out of lawsuits. I don't want a lawsuits.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: You would you, and it is your business? Would you
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: classify yourself in terms of your net worth being in
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: the multi million.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I don't talk about money, and I'm gonna tell you
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: who told me why I try not to talk about money.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: I'll talk about the evaluation of my company here. And
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: they're lightly robbing from Butler alert a long time ago.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: I love her by the way I love Robin. She's
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: so low key, low key, and that's the thing she
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: told me. Hold On, she told me a long time.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. He says, she's low keep it before
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I even said it. Don't talk about your money. Keep
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: the ys out your business. I said, okay, cool, and don't.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: I don't talk. You know, you can go and say,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: oh my god, that car. So I recently I just
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: bought a met back the other day. They're like, oh
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: my god, he about three hundred thosand dollar car. Is
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: that how much it cost? I ain't.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: I ain't.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: He still ain't seen the sticker. I don't know how
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: much of cost? Is that what it costs?
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Are you go with it? Okay? Oh he got this really?
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Oh wait, these are your houses? And then I need
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: space to store closed. I don't know nothing. I don't
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: talk about money because I don't want no problems at all.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: What's the evaluation of your company right now?
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Fifty million?
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Do you plan on ever selling it?
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, this is a bill to sell business.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: But right now I'm in the right now, I'm acquiring
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: other businesses because I want to get My goal is
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: to get to a billion dollars. I'm gonna drop another name,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Tyler Perry. I ain't just friends with How did that
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: relationship come about? That is? Okay? No shake to you?
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Are they gagging at that?
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: One. I'm gagging at that one only because I know
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: him too.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, and listen, it's nothing. Did you tell Tyler that
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: you know me?
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: I never know?
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, but do you know him like on a texting basis? Yes? Okay?
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: And can we say for the record, yes, which is
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: why fuck all you people clean, y'all busy?
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: He's an icon, don't play. Will you text him immediately immediately, Tyler?
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Tyler checked me yesterday. Now that he checked me, what
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: did you do? So? I haven't had a bad week
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: in the sense of I want to go and run
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: in traffic and get run over. But I've had a
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: I've had a stressful week because I am the vice
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: mayor of the tenth largest city in California, the second
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: most dangerous city in California, with seven of them homicides
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: this last week. A person I know yesterday was stabb
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: five times. The day before that, one of our piece
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: workers was shot. It is a very challenging responsibility where
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: we're working on homelessness, youth programs, you know, my my
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: community food desert, you know, housing affordability. There's like real issues.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: So there's like all the weight of that on my
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: mind full time. Every day, all day long, even as
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: I say here coming into this meeting.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: So there's that. Then there's Hollywood O Mott, there's a
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: whole team.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: There's all the millions we have to make and the
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: programs they have to stay on, and our partnerships with
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Meta and then Tiktoks and making sure our social stay
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: up and our advertising partners are happy, and coaching my team.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: And today I had to go through a whole due
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: diligence exercise for an hour and a half about this
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: other acquisition and then managing that cap stack with all
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: the millions I got to raise for their.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Because it's a twenty million dollar deal. Then I'm come
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: do this show.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Just left a brand at soul House to get money.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: You got to leave here, go straight to my hotel, change,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: then go do an interview. Then I got to figure
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: out how to rest and get my mind right to
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: fly back to a public safety meeting in Stockton. So
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: like I had a week where I was like I
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: am so underwater with life. I don't have real personal time.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: I haven't really eaten I you know, like I just
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: haven't had a rough week. And Tyler texts me because
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: he's very attentive to everybody, and I don't know how
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: he spends his time with everybody, but you know, he
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: makes you feel like he's only checking on you and
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: he's like, how are you? And I was like, I'm
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: having a fucking crazy as day. But I in my mindset,
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: I'm intentionally not going to talk to Tyler. I'm going
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: to tell this this time, I'm gonna talk to Carti.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna call Carty and I'm gonna lean in on Carti.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna use Carti as my person because I can
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: share things with her that I can't share with nobody else.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: I could share things with Tyler or Rihanna that I
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: can't share with nobody. So there's very few people that
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: I can call and just like put it all on
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: the table, right, my nigga act.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I'm still single technically, by the way, but anyway, we'll
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: get to that later mingling.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: So I said to myself, I'm intentionally not going to
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: put this on Tyler Perry because too many people dump
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: their stuff on him, and he's so woven into helping
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: everybody that I'm not going to put this burden on him.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: But he happened to text me as I was in
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: the middle of something like stressing over something. I said,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: I am having a horrible day. I need to call
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: you later. He said, okay, please don't forget to call me. Well,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: I had a horrible day. I forgot to call because
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: I was like in my thing, and so I ended
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: up calling Carti and you know, she you know, but
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: she was somewhere where I was like I couldn't even
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: get it all out because it was so much, and
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: she was around people that she was like, is everything okay.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like it is, but isn't but da.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Da da, And so she she was like, it's mercury retrograde.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Just like just she's such a libra. It's like, take
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: a deep breath, just it's gonna be okay.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: You've overcome everything. Da Da Da da.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: So she's being that friend. So I forget to call
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Tyler back. I go to bed because I literally pass
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: out because I'm so exhausted. Tyler calls me and says, hey,
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: are you okay. I say, I'm okay, I haven't forgot
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: to call you.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: I'm d d DA.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna call you back. I'm in a meeting da da,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: And she said, okay, Well, I forgot to call it back.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Later he texted me and said, I genuinely called to
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: check on you. I genuinely called because I care. I
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: genuinely want to make sure that you're good. And I
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: know you have a problem accepting help and accepting love
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: from people. But I don't take my support for granted
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: and I don't want you to either, And I was
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: like damn. But then and it was also like damn,
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Tyler Perry cares enough about me to make sure I'm okay.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: That's why I like him. That that's how we built
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: our relationship. And when I first met him, and I
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: sat in his house and he sat across from me,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: and we were kind of figuring out how to start
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: the conversation because Making Good introduced to us, by the way,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: because I wanted to honor them at my award show.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: And he said, y'all to just me and him, well and.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: His staff, of course, So fucking rich motherfucker. You were intimidated,
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: but you're tas leader. Sorry. I wasn't intimidated, but I
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: was in awe of a person who I watched go
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: from homelessness to Medea plays to shows to movies, to
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Tyler Perry Studios where we did Wilding Out, you know,
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: and all the things. So like I was like, I
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: am a this is an icon that's in it for me.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: I do think that.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: But I wasn't intimidating, no, And but I remember sitting
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: there were kind of looking at each other and I said, okay,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: So I started telling them all the good stuff, and
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: I said, here's all the other stuff, because I want
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: you to know exactly who the fuck is in your house,
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: and I want you to know exactly who the fuck
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: you're connected to. And he said, I said, so if
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: you talk to this person, they're going to say this.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: If you talk to this person, they're gonna say And
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Tyler looked at me said I don't give a shit
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: with nobody, said, I build my own relationships.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I said. We locked in. Boom.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Then I got to I was going to Atlanta. I said, hey, Nigga,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: because that's how we tell nigga. I needed you to
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: come with me to Cardi b concert. He was like,
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: I'm there.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Boom.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: He pops outside. We go to his house the next day.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: We have a little moment there all of us watching TV,
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: watching a movie, and you know, he has a spread
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: laid out in this big old mansion, and he said, well,
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: you're about to go, said we got to go to
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Cardi b Come on, get dressed. He got dressed once
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: day two, like we outside, So it's like then I'm like, oh,
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: I'm going to this brush for Catherine Brute and I
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: need you to pull up. He pulls up at the brunch,
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: So Tyler, I got Tyler Perry outside, which you know
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: he don't go outside like that. So for me, it's
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: like I'm building a relationship with somebody that I like.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: I told him, I want to be where you at
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: and I want you to guide me to get there.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Because the fifty million cool, but I want to get
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: to the fifty billion. How I get there because you
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: on your way out? Because you He's said his life,
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: I want to be there so I have the resources
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: to do more for my community. And what I love
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: about Tyler is he ain't no gaykeeper. He's like, let
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: me show you, let me help you, let me go.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: So so when I finally called him back to Vent,
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: it was less about here's all the things I'm going
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: through dumping to like, here's what I'm trying to figure out.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I have this going on. I have this going on.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I have this going on, and.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to get here, but I'm feeling way down
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: by it. And so he just kind of talked me
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: through how to like methodically think through it all. And
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: I was like, yo, I want to just be able
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: to call on you to do that, because that exercise
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: alone lifted me to where I could be here today
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: and be like, Okay, I'm good.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Like it's all that chaos is still going on, but
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: it'll work itself out.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: It's interesting how you look at Taler Perry as somebody like, Okay,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: I see what you're doing, and I'm want to go
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: there and kind of like show me the way. You
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: do realize there's people who are watching that look at
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: you like you're the Taler Perry of digital and you
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: do realize.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: He told me that. So he but Nobo, but I
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: don't see. But this is the problem that Tyler checked me.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: It's another thing. You got to get you friends who
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: help you see who you are. You've said something similar
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: to Tyler came to my words.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Ship. We honored him. We did the whole thing, and
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, we curate that thing. And you have to
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: come June fourth next year. Whatever.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, he sent me this long message. He said, I
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: hope you accept this in a positive way. But little Jason,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: don't let Jason be who Jason like who I saw
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: in that room, the room that you curated, the power,
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: the da da da da da. But he because you know,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: we all have to a certain degree imposter syndrome. When
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: I saw Viola Davis talk about, I'm like, oh, she's
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: a nut because she's queen.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: That's we all got it.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: We all walk in rooms and were like, damn, I'm
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: really in here. I hope I don't get kicked out
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: or you know, because we do walk in sometimes with
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: the noise of what people say we are or can't be,
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: or limitations or ceilings or da da da or restriction.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: We walk in with that Tyler.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: The way he poured into me with how he saw
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: me made me go back because I'm never gonna leave
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: with the ego like I can turn up the ego
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: for content, like I'm an ego, Like I feel like
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: you're the same way. Our ego is a creative ego,
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: like we'll be creatively ego about how we design what
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: it looked like, how it hits, da da da, all
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: the things editing and all that, But like when it
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: comes to like me getting out the car right now,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: the woman's like, oh my god, Jason Lee, you are
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: so beautiful. I was like, girl, you have a good day.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sit there and go I am that nigga.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: I am like, because the same way God gave it
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: to you, he will take it away if you ain't
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: staying in the work and if you ain't staying in
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: full gratitude of.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: It on humble.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: But for Tyler Perry to tell me what he told
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: me personally about how he saw me made me go
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: back and tell my therapist like, you know, I need
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: to walk in the room with a little bit more
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: confidence now, not cockiness, but a little bit more confidence
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: about what I'm capable of doing. When I left that
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: brand right now at SOHO House and they asked me,
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: what would you like, I told him exactly what I want,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: the millions that I want, what I'm gonna do for it,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: how I want to do it. While I was sitting
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: outside that meeting at so I was on a conference
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: call with somebody in Marbella, Spain, telling them the millions
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: I wanted it from his company.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: To do something.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: But I but I walk with a little bit more
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: confidence now comes from a Tyler Perry. Now in exchange
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: for that, here's what I've told. Tyler. You are the
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: bridge between Oprah and Shaderom, Oprah and Hollywood and Lot,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: Oprah and Jasonly. You're the bridge because you are still
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: on the ground and Oprah is up there.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: She up there. Well, Gail just went to the moon,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: right you day up there.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: Gail's a little closer to the floor. But Oprah is
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: an icon in what we do. She paved the way.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Hers and the wind they paved the way.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: But we need you to let us poor love into
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: you too. We need you to bring your resource to us.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Own should be in partnership with Carlos King own you
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: probably are owned, should be in partnership with Hollywood and Lot.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: There should be this organic relationship of information and resource
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: sharing that should happen without asking, because we represent because
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: she represents us, and we represent her, and so her
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: legacy is only going to be defined by how she
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: creates that threat. But I said, Tyler, you're the link
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: in between that. Now the other thing is now that
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: I have this relationship sit with Tyler perr YEA ain't
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: gonna fuck with him e then, because he not the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: type of person to go on social media and check
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: you and da da da da da. And I think
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: it's easy for people to just dump on anybody they
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: know it's not going to fight back. And I'm like, well,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: you know, all of us have to hold each other down.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Because even having this conversation shed another light and another
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: layer to Tyler helps the audience go, wow, Tyler really
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: is that nigga? Like he really is?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: It really is?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: No, I echo everything or saying he And that's why
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: when I said, I was shocked and I said, to you,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with you. It's more so
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: he is so protective of just his world that I
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: got to know him about working with him, and it
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: took like a year or two to really get to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: know him better because he definitely like tests you out
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: a little bit just to make sure you're.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: A good person.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: He didn't do that with me. We went right into it.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Not with me, oh like head first, like right into it.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: But I think it's because when I said, when I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: met with him, I told him, here's all the good,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: but here's also all the stuff you're gonna hear, it's impressive.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: Had to because if he goes over to the Kardashians
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: who he's friends with and says, oh my god, I
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: was just with Jason Lee Chris Jenner, who've known for
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: two thousand and two thousand and ten, that relationship has
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: been up and down, she may say, oh my god,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: because that may be her point of view. But if
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: she goes over here to this person or whatever one
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: day he's talking about how he thinks Cardi being hilarious
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: at it. I just put them in a group text.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Now we keep Now we having a good old time
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: in the group tax. You know, I love Tyler and
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: I love what he represents. I love how many black
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: jobs he's cremated, black stories he's created. And you know,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: when you're a producer and you're black, it ain't a
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: lot of y'all back there. That's why everybody got to
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: show up. If you want to run a show and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: you want to do a show, motherfucker, y'all better take
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: that me before you go take it somewhere else.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: But our culture don't work like that.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Oh they go to the white collar. Well, I'll get
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: it on a second, and you ain't gonna get paid
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: what they're paying them over there.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: And if you're mad, you're not gonna blast them where
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: you'll blast with Jason Lee Carlos King because you feel like, oh,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: let's be real because to your point, when white blaw.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Now you really want to start this today because now you.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Can we can When white bloggers, journalist content creators talk
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: the same shit about y'all, y'all do not blast them.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: But if it's the black content creators who do it, no, mad,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: you got ten million followers or ten There is something
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: that the black talent takes personally as if I'm attacking
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: you personally. No, I have an opinion on your music,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: your content, your reality moment, whatever.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: And that's when it comes to you. When it comes
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: to you, Do you feel like.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: What I'm going, I'm gonna start right there.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: When I watch all of these, all the blacks show
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: up at the met Galla dress like peacocks and looking
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: stupid and seeing this guy over here producing the show,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: he's laughing because it's fucking true. Eating saw a couple
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: of peacocks walk up them damn steps of the museum
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: that they don't never go in to be educated on shit,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: But you want to go to that high priced dinner
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: party right because you got it, because you know, I
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: gotta go to the Met. I gotta go to the met.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: Those people don't care about you. They don't care, they
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: don't talk about you every day. Half you've never been
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: on the cover of Vogue and it will never be
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: on the cover of Vogue because you don't have buying
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: power and you don't have the talent. But you just
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: want to be invited to sit at a table to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: eat that chicken that y'all be talking about when y'all
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: call me in the background, to sit at a party
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: with people who don't care about you at all. But
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: your affection and validation for whiteness is so strong it's
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: literally the thing that keeps your little black lives going.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: You'll show up more for that than you will of
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: a Tatiana Jackson or a little black kid who where
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Nolan Wills. Y'all niggas ain't posting about him, but y'all
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: trying to get that MET ticket. See, we are driven
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: by corporation, driven by validation of whiteness, driven by this
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: perception of the house nigga that wants to have fantasy
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: at the table while the other niggas sit outside.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: That is a real.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: Criticism I have of our culture, and that's why the
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: culture is in critical condition.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Now let me say this.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: Let me say this, I stop subscribing to all that
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: chaos a long time ago because I realize very quickly
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: that you all will sell the culture out, bash the culture,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: attack the culture, and say all the things that try
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: to lift you up every day just to be a
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: part of the conversation. But yet when it comes to
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: these other folks who won't even give you the prime
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: real estate that a Hollywood unlocked or a share room
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: or you would, you will criticize us every day because
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: it's just an expectation that we show up like what, No,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: when you go in the room this, why tell a
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: Kevin Hart or Tyler Perry, whoever, when you go in
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: the room with Netflix and all those people around the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: table don't look like you, make sure they're spending money
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: with us. Make sure that they're running that bag in
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: marketing to us. Don't just assume we're going to talk
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: about it because it's a black show or a black
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: movie or a black song.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: No, pay the money.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: And the reason why I'm so critical of some of
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: these celebrities is because why is it that Billboard will
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: get you ten times but I can't get you. It's
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: not because I'm messy. It's because I may have the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: conversation that you're gonna go give Billboard anyway. You're gonna
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: go give it to them because you think that distribution
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: somehow makes you look better.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: No, you know what I'm gonna do.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to Bristol franc with Rihanna and I'm
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: gonna play spin that ship for Young Miami with Rihanna
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: when India is attacking, and I'm an clip it. I'm
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: gonna send the Young Miami letter, put it up in there,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: and now her song number one on two parts of Billboard.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: Why because we're gonna show We're gonna show love for
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: us in an organic way and not wait for them
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: to give it to us.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: That is my biggest criticism of the culture.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: Y'all all go to Michael Rubin's party and hang on
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: each other's backs, like.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Excuse me.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: But that's why I always say there needs to be
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: a self examination in the culture, like how am I
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: pulling up?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Why is Rihanna cool with him? And why am I not? Why?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Why is she not afraid of him?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: But I am. He's been friends with Queen Latifa for
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: thirty three years, thirty three years, and he's never exposed her.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: Why would he expose little on me? I'm not even
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: famous enough. You know.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: Half these motherfuckers ain't famous. They more famous in their
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: mind than they are in real life. So I just
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: don't subscript, you know, I just you know, whatever, you
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: want to come over here, cool, I want to help you.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: You don't stay over here. I'm gonna criticize you, doesn't matter.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: And that's the reason why I think you and I
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: have always had a respect for relationship with each other.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Because I want you to know this. People are going to.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Be shocked that we know each other, are they, yes,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Because it's it's what you said in your five minute
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: dire traube about the the the chaos of our culture
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: where we are under attack, and we're under attack because
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: of us. Right. They want to pit me and you
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: against each other. Right, we're both gay, we're both black,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: we're both in terms of their eyes, messy, and at
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: this point, I don't give a fuck say it. But
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: they don't understand that in real life. I have known
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: you for years and I don't feel the need to
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: express it because there's no need to.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: And in real life, I know what you built.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: One of the things that I never told you because
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I was waiting for the day you and I spoke
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: on my show because I do believe in giving flowers
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: personally and publicly. One of the ways that I was like, oh,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: I respect this motherfucker is when you were so open
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: and honest about how when Wendy Williams was sick.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: On hiatus what have you? And that purple couch, that
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: purple chair. Excuse me, so.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Everybody from Remy and Fat Joe to white celebrities like
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Jerry O'Connell and I love.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: R No and these are great people. It's not shape
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: to people.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just naming people in terms of And when you
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: were like, hey, that mar Mark hey, and they said
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: to you, you're not big enough.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no no.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Before they gave the couch to them, they called me
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: first because me and Wendy think me I was taking
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: Wendy to what's the what's the club? I be the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: gay one that all the people go to, not not anyway, anyway,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: I was taking Wendy to.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: The gay club.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: We was in the club together, me and when I
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: was at our me and Wendy were locked in, locked in.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: When Wendy got sick, her team was like, we need
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: to call Jason. So they called me like and this
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: was like the head of Debar Mercury, like.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: We want you.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: You know, Jason, this is your lucky day, Lonnie, who
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: ain't there no more? By the way, look at that guy.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: It's your lucky day. Hey, what's up, Lonnie?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: What's going on?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: You know Wendy's not well and you know she's not
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: gonna be able to do season eighteen. We'd like you
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: to host the show. I was like, what now, you know,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: look at your eyes. That's like Wendy Williams Show. You're
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: gonna come in do the first week opening up season
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: whatever of the Wendy Williams Show.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: What that is?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: That is the call you're waiting for to not for
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: Wendy Show. I want my own.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: They call away for his own show. But I'll step
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: in for my friend. Cool, not a problem. I'm on
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: the phone. As I'm on the phone, I'm texting Cardi.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: I'm about to host Wendy Show. I need you to
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: come day two. Yes, She's like, yeah, I come. Okay, Tiffany,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: I need you to come. They want me to housb
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: Windy Show. Can you come the first day?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Da da da.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: We're gonna do that. Yeah, I'm done, okay. I'm texting
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: Mariah Carey. Mariah needs you to come in. We're gonna
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: surprise Norman because he talks to it. He's like, he's
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: a lamb. We gotta pop in. Can you imagine I
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: come out there doing my thing, ding dong, open door
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: and it's Mariah Carey. It would have been TV Goald, right,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: I'm texting Mariah Carey. I'm doing all the things. And
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: then this motherfucker had the old white man says, you know, okay,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: who's going to co host with you? Because you're not
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: big enough. And it was such a blow to me
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: that now a normal person will say, you know what, Lonnie,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: let me think about who can call with me? Because
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna make it fun like a fat join remy.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: I'm no God prepared me to step in for my
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: friend when she needs me to honor her chair, not
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: make it mine, honor it for her while she can't
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: be there in a way that really truly gives the
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: audience what they want because they still want Wendy.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: They don't want me.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: But as Wendy's friend, knowing that, I'm gonna honor that
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: chair for her and honor Norman and his contribution and
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: honor because you know, when you talk to a camera
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: by yourself, that's not easy, by b it's not easy
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: and be entertaining at it. Okay, So to be disrespected
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: that way, and then and then for them to say,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: you know, we would love Cardi B. No, you're friends
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: with Nicki minaje. Right, No, I'm friends with Cardi B.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: Oh same thing. I mean, no, it's not the same thing. Now,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: you're disrespecting the culture. It certainly happened, yes, So wait,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: you're disrespecting me because I ain't big enough when I
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: believe I can hold the show because me and Suzanne,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: I know her and her husband, I know, I know
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: the bookers, I know the people. Jenn Brookman, I'm like, what, wait, now,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: you're disrespecting the culture because we just the same thing,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: because just the black rapper, Nicki Minaj and Cardi B
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: are not the same person. And then they tell me
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not big enough you know. I said, Hey, Lonnie,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: no disrespect, but fuck you. And I got off the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: phone and I went and built my own fucking set,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: built my own show, called Ann Burrows. I'm gonna put
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: her out there, asked her for Puffy's number, got Puffy's number,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: called him, got my deal with Revolt done, got my
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: show on the air, got with the Tavio Da da da.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: I did it.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: I showed cause, nigga, you can't tell me that your
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: rejection is bigger than what God has set up for me,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: because God set up me. But God didn't want me
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: to have that. See, because God didn't. I was bigger
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: than Daytime TV. Go build your own shit, own your
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: shit stead, Okay, God, I listened. I was submissive. I
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: surrendered to his plan. I didn't get in the creativity
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: of let me call up Carlos King and we could
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: do it together, because we could have done it together.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: But that ain't what I wanted to do to support
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: my friend. But some people will lay down and take
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: whatever these people hand them, scraps, disrespect, insulting, just to
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: get that opportunity. When I thought like, no, I'm gonna
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: thug it all the way out, and I did it,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: and I'm so proud I did it because I stood
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: up for what I believed and I stood up for
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: my friend. The show's gone now. Everybody they've given it
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: to is gone too. And and you know, look at
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: how they threw Sherry in there. They Well, I want
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: to ask you this, this is and I love Sherry,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: by the way.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: No, I love Sherry too, and it's not about hers
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: as a person. But I'm actually learning a lot of
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: what you're saying, right respectfully, right with Sherry. Do you
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: think the reason why this show did not work is
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: because she accepted what was gimme to her just because
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: it was offered.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: No, I will say Sherry, first of all, I remember
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: Sherry from the view, Yes to Sherry Shepherd. Now she
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, Sherry is a she knows TV, she knows,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: she was trained by Barbara Walters. She ain't no new
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: girl off the street. That she not a she not
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: a b Simone that just came in said I want
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: to host the Wendy Show. That's no shade to Windy
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: and just the shade to be Simone. No, we ain't
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: friends no more either, But that's another story. Oh my god,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: it was no shade towards her. She did some factious
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: she knows about. But anyway, hey, so this is Sherry Shepherd,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: who literally knows their time, who's trained by Barbara Walters,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: who knows that cross overmarket. And she still does stand
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: up and she know like this is shy Shepper. No,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: they said Sherry up for failure because they brought her in,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: same stage, same staffs I mean, you had Norman out
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: there like you. You set her up for the audience
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: to go this ain't Wendy, why da da da? But
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: what I love about Sherry is Sherry built her own stage.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: She built like when they redesign, I mean she Sherry
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: did a great job. I just think the market off
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: linear TV is changing, right. It's like it's you can't
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: it's too expensive to produce now audience. We got a
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: show right here. We got a whole audience watching, and
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: we had to pay one dollar to AIOA to put
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: him in a room. No insurance, no why over it.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: It's one person to hear my show. I got two
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: people producing my show. For b et so BT that
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: may have eighty staff producing the show.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: I got two. So the whole business has changed. I
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: just think that.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: You know, Sherry did a great job of doing what
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: she needed to do for her opportunity that presented itself.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: She didn't compete with Wendy, she didn't argue with Wendy's audience.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: She she did great, So I have no criticism her.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: I have criticisms, though, of us that continue to sh
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: show up and support companies that are owned by people
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: that don't look like us, that target our audiences, and
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: I pay us what we're worth or respect what we built.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Wendy built that throne. She built it a hot ninety
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: seven to make a charlet Magne. She built the talk
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: show for me to have a show, so like we
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: got to give her her flowers. And I feel like
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: so many people shit it on Wendy because of her
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: content and her delivery. When she went from calling people
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: gay on the radio to say how you doing? It
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: was still a nice way of saying, we knew what
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: it was. Wendy's She's a fucking icon, so you know, yeah,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know that was crazy though you're not big enough.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: I'll never forget that and the reason why I had
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: the and when I said it on my podcast, he
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: called me, did you go on live and say that.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: I said, motherfucking right, here you motherfucking right. Yeah I did, yep,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: I sure did. And look at how my guy works.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: He ain't over there no more. He married some younger girl,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: he like in his sixties. She probably like twenty something.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: She probably getting him all the little money he had,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: probably ran out. He probably gonna be in conservative ship
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: like Wendy. So I look at him like, look at
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: touched out my annoying to do my profits no harm. Yes,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: I use the scripture. Yes, because everybody who's ever tried
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: me has lost everything.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: And I love it. I live in as soon as
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: I sing as I call it. Look you lost it.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: God got you by.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: Is it true that you were the front runner to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: replace Ah?
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Here you here, you go, Here you go with the nonsense?
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: Is it true?
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Let me say this.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: I was the first guest host when Angela left, and
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: it was dynamic and everybody was like, oh oh, So
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: the fans started that up, and then the weekend shout
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: out to Able. By the way, I didn't even know
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: he was as big as he is, Like, I know
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: he's big, he's a weekend but like he invited me,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: didn't show and I went in there, and I mean,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: this motherfucker sold out a Sofi stadium like three or
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: four nights in a row, and it was like they're like,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: who that's our god?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Like he's anyway able?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: You know. I told I had to call him on
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: vocal rest like Nigga, you are an icon anyway, him
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: and Beyonce nick name.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: I'm sleep at that.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: I know y'all gonna argue in the comments in terms
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: of like whatever, they gon'll be mad about that, but
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: it's true. Even even weekend was like, yo, you killed
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: that shit.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: You need that needs boc No. I was okay with that.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: They just quite frankly couldn't afford me. That's what it was.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: Where you offered the job. I was never offered the job.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: I was encouraged to apply. I also don't feel like
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: I should have applied. Would you say encourage to apply?
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: I was told, you know, you should put your name
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: in the hat. Charlemagne has been one of my biggest
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: supporters behind the scenes. He loves you. No Charlemagne the
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: god before everybody saw it claimed it. He's the one
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: that spoke me into therapy. He's the one that you
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: know he calls me out on my ship privately, not publicly.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: You know, he you know, he's he he's not a mentor,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: but in a way he's kind of like my mentor.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: Like I look at Charlemagne, and Wendy is like, yo,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: Charlemagne has you know, I'm what he used to be
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: in some respect of like some of the ruh, you know,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: and and I'm and I'm evolving. He's the one that say, no,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: you're a culture critic. You're not no blogger because you
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: don't write stories or you know. So I look at
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: and I have a lot of respect for Carla Main
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: and uh, you know, would I have loved to do it? Yeah,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: but I'd love to be able at five am, five
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: days a week. No, that's not true, that's not me,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: that's not you. Jess Hilarius told me in an interview
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: she thought it was gonna be your job. And I
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: even want to thank just for that because we haven't
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: always been on the same page with things. But I
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: do feel like I appreciate what she said about that.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean it was, you know, shout
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: out to Tom Pullman and everybody. I heart, I loved,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: iHeart because I had a syndicated radio show, went from
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: rating zero to number one and seventy two markets on
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: the weekend or whatever.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: But just they couldn't find him more money for me.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: Like for me, it's like, yeah it was easy in Turkey,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: and yeah it looks good, but like I don't want
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: no shining ornament job.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: I want that motherfucking bag. Give me my mind.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: Somebody told me the other day they wanted me to
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: do some of the brand and test. How it is,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: ain't no motherfucking test, bitch. When I push play, when
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: I pushed send, when I push it, it's gonna fucking go.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: I don't need to test. If you need to test,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: you better test. Go get tested.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: By the way I make HIV be negative, I'm big
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: about I saw you on the I did.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: I want people to know, like it's important. You said
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: no your status and you did say that too. Yeah,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: so no, that's that's good. I'm glad you're letting the
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: world know that that because.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: It's important because I was afraid for years to get tested,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: like and I was being sexually reckless and drinking all
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: the things and part and all that. And then now
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: that I'm like on prep and active, still active, but
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: on prep and tested and all that. Like I'm really
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: big on like sexual health and so yeah, I posted
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: that the other day. Everybody's like, why.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Are you telling us because we need to know?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Do you know?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: Like, and it's okay if you're not, but I hope
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: you're taking care of yourself and others like, let's be responsible.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: So you know.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: Now I'm talking to Gilliad, like what we're gonna do.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Let's work together.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: Let's goe out here and educate women too and straight
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: men about prep because y'all need to be on it too.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: Are you in a relationship Nope, only with God. Are
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: you dating?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: I go on dates frequently.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: You know, there's this perception that the gay black community
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: has of you.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: No, because who is the gay black community is? Is
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: there an organization?
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: No? They're online?
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Are they online?
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna wait, I need to know what
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: gay black community because let me tell you line, let
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: me tell you this, one of the biggest challenges with
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: the Blake Black gay community because if you go all
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: the way back to Paris is burning and you look
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: at those little brown kids in the streets who were
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: out in the streets because their parents displaced them because
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: they were gay.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Da da da da dah.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: Like, we have a history of cannibalizing our community and
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: then being mad when it.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Don't show up for us.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: You know, the trans don't like the gays, The gays
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: don't believe the buys, the straits to da da da
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: the community. Before you tell me, I'm gonna listen to it.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: But before you tell me what the gay community thinks
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: about me? What does the gay community think about itself?
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: The only jobs that you have that one line you
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: ain't even number one on the call sheet, number eight,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: number eighteen on the call sheet, is you wearing heels,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: makeup and sister girl in it. That's who we are.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: We all ain't that. So you know, there needs to
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: be a reconciliation. By the way, they do want to
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: honor me at Atlanta Pride. I'd be there if we
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: could figure it out. But in October, yeah, or Memorials,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: not momorl Day, Labor Day weekend. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: There needs to be a reconciliation within the gay community.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: We need to have a HOA for the gay community.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: We need to have a meeting where we come together
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: and say, what the fuck are we doing, because all
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: we do is candialize each other. But anyway, tell me
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: what the gay say, what they say the ones online
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: or wherever they.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: At that when it comes to men, that you have
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: this affinity for light skin younger men, I'm sure you've
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: heard that. Of course, you know on my line, I
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: heard I have AIDS.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: I've heard oh I got oh yeah, aids and when
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: they went to the age they bypassed HIV. I've heard
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: I have AIDS. I've heard I was on heroin. I've
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: heard I've crack of all the things. I've been called
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: all things. Here's the deal. I'm forty eight years old.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: So if I date a forty five year old, he's younger.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: Will I date a twenty five year old? Moan day?
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: Will I have fun with one? Absolutely? Are you crazy?
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: In what country? That's the question. It's not about whether
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: I would if he light skinned dark skin? Today, as
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: South African tried me, who was darker than you? Is gorgeous,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: Serge Ibaku I was with last night, who's straight, by
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: the way, Unfortunately, one of the most sexiest, good smelling
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: men that I know, who is dark skin from the Congo.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: He's he's When you say my type. My type is
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: a good looking man, not a white one. I just
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: don't date white men. I do date Lantin men. I
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: do date Middle Eastern men, African men, light skin, dark skin.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: That to me is that's always been a thing because
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: I think earlier on in my podcast, when I didn't
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: really understand the power of my platform, I'd be like, yeah,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: I went to New York and saw this light skin
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: Dominican with pink lips and tattoos, Da da da da,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: And people were like, oh, that's his type. Okay, so
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: that's where it comes that's where it comes from. That
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: was that was way back in the day. And then
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: you know, you would see me one it's like there
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: you go, there you go, there you go, and I
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: and I tend to date Dominicans. At the time, I
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: was really I went through this Dominican era where they
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: did look alike. They all let my friends be like, well,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: I know that's one. But what I love now is
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: like the people I'll be talking to now while walking Arome,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: they definitely write them off because they believe, oh, that
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: ain't his type. It's like, okay, you know, I just
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: don't feel like I need to make a proclamation of
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: the type of person I would date or I'm into,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: because as long as you're an honest person, you're loyal,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: you don't cheat or still because some of y'all be stealing,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: and you're healthy and you're good looking.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: You have a chance, and you could work at Starbucks.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: You could be an attorney, you could be a doctor,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: you could be a basketball player, you could be singer, rapper,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: you could be whoever. Just be a good hearted person.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: I will say this at forty nine, though, I also
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: have to mentally be into now. It ain't just the physical.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: It used to be just like if you look good.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: Now it's like you really got to like we got
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: to be able to like stimulate each other on some
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: real conversation because I'm talking to families who are losing
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: their kids every day. I'm talking to people who are
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: like getting pushed out of their homes and I'm coming
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: home with real shit. So what we're talking about, We're
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: not talking about blunts and PlayStation and or Xbox whatever
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: fuck they be playing. I'm talking about like how we
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: get to this bag or you know, I just be
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: okay with the Dominican from Dykman who just wants to
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: come and smoke hookah like, no, no, we can't do that.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: But can you?
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: You are a rich, powerful man, okay, can you see
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: yourself with another man like you?
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: Or do you prefer to have somebody that may have
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: more time to travel with you? And I love how
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: you said that, because that's important for some people. No, right, yes,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: I do not want to date somebody who has to
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: check in with his boss about going on vacation.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: So there's that.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: So to that extent, I'm willing to meet somebody who's
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: there and say, go ahead and leave, and let's figure
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: out what you want to do. You know, go ahead
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: and leave today, not tomorrow, Leave today, my brother, leave today.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: Let's figure out what you want to do and let
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: me help you with that. And uh, and then let's
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: let's do that. Because I want, I do want you around,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: but I want you to have independence to where if
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: you ever want to walk away, it's not a decision.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's not a it's not a negotiation. It's
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: like I'm leaving. You got your own account, you got
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: your own money, you got your own stuff, you can go.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: I don't want you here from my life. I want
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: you to be in addition to my life. So I
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: have been very intentionally now meeting more people like that.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: I did try the whole let me meet it, let
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: me date a forty eight year old who's successful agent,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: and I didn't know the whole date was like an audition,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: like to go to WM I'm like, wait, are we
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: auditioning to go to your agency?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: Like we not?
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: Wait, wait, hold on, hold on what oh baby baby,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: haven't seen them since?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Gorgeous? Great?
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: But like, no, I fuck with you cuz yes, that's
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: what I'm on for the same person that comes to back.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: I agree with you, yeah, but I'm not, no sugar daddy. Like.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: The thing is that what people don't understand, which is
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: why I love now that you said. I don't mind
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: you having a job where you check in with a boss. Yes,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: if you want to be with a Jason Lee or
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Carlos King, yes, yes. Then we have to figure out
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: what your passions are, because nine times out of ten,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: that's not your passion, right, And I don't mind you
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: figure it out, And I'm helping you figure it out.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: Because you may not have the time in bandwidth because
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: of this job that keeps you so chained down. To
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: unlock the dreams that you have, So like, let me
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: free up some time so you can just get centered
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: and figure out what is it that I want to do,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: and let's try that and then if that do work,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you a story about this guy was
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: talking to and he's you know, I'm gonna just put it.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: I ain't gonna say his name though, because I actually
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: like him. Wors for friends still model, you know, I'm like, okay,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: you're modeling, now, Okay, there is a sunset on ben
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: mal model.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: There is there's a time.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: And although you're successful at modeling, don't you airbnb your
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: apartment moving with me so you don't have to pay
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: no bills. Now you make another stream of revenue from
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: your Airbnb. And let's figure out how we build your
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: own clothing line that you become the face and creative
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: director of. And then we'll go get the funders. Because
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: I was head of Media and Partners just for Kanye West,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: so I kind of know some people in that space,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: and let's build a brand that I'll handle some of
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: the marketing. So I'll take a small equity, but you
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: own it. It's yours, and then you can shoot on location.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: We can go, you can do whatever you want, and
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: you make your own schedule. And his response to me was,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: you're trying to control me. And I was like, okay,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: So we went into therapy together, like, let's go in therapy. Lize, Oh, like,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: let's really try this. So let's go in therapy together.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: Therapist was talking to him and he was very set on,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: you're trying to control me. He really likes me, but
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: I think there's this there's something where I think it's
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: my world is a lot and then the fear of
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: what's going to happen and what he's been throughing.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: I can't live in that.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: I can say that if you want at the time,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: not anymore, but like, if you want to do this,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: I'm willing to work with you to put you in
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: a position of ownership so you have the freedom to
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: love the way I want to be loved and then
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: return get loved the same, but then also have a
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: stream of revenue and still be able to go back
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: to your place because it's Aaron b. If you want
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: you up. We put another and the response was, you're
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: trying to control me. That's when I know that, That's
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: when I realized that there's just a lot of damaged
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: people out there too. So sometimes the not working out
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: is because people got shit they got to work on.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: I also think this too.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: I think our community, the gay Black community, we weren't
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: aware raise all the things to accept a softer life
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: in a relationship because we unfortunately then I have in
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: examples of that growing up. And I do think one
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: of the deficits of our community, besides the masculinity, femininity
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: which which is always going to be an issue.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: For them, not for me.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: Top bottom all of that is a gay black man
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: does not understand what love looks like. And the fact
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: that he could not get past the fact that this
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: man wants me so much he is willing to help me,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: and the fact that you said, motherfucker, keep your apartment,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: keep everything you want to do, but join me in
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: helping you go to the next level. A woman would
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: do that in a heartbeat, but a gay black man,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: they don't understand that concept.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: And a thing, I'm controlling you and I agree with you.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: And it's just unfortunate because that was one that I
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: was like, Okay, this one I can make work. I
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: mean whatever, But you know, I also look at it like, Okay, now,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: my work with my therapist is like what does a
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: relationship look like? Because we also have to get to
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: a point where we all know that we are deserving
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: of love, like a lot of us don't know that
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: we are deserving of it. Tiffany Hattters is the one
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: that I always give the credit to who walked me
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: through the process of self love, because I remember interviewing
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: Jennifer Lewis years ago and she said, baby, have you
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: ever looked in the mirror and told yourself you loved
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: yourself until you cry? And I said, I ain't doing that.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: And I did it one day and I had to
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: force myself to sit there and do it. And this
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: is when I was three hundred and twenty three pounds
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: and all other things. And I remember getting really emotional
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: because it was really hard to reconcile that I have
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: been deserving the whole time, when my mother gave me away,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: when my brother got killed, when my dad didn't show
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: up for me, all these things, all these moments where
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: I didn't feel that love showed itself to me, that
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: I was feeling that I wasn't worthy of it. That
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: manifested into how reckless I became once you start to
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: have those type of revelations and then go, I got
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: more birthdays behind me than I do ahead of me.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, so how am I spending every minute
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: of my day? Wait?
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: Who am I dealing with? What type of energy am
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: I around? Then you start to put things in perspective.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: So now when somebody says to me, like, y'all want
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: to hang with you, what does that mean? I don't
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: have to if you want to what you doing? Don't
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: what you do with me. I don't let nobody just
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: what you doing me on text because you could put
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: that on Instagram that what you do. No one could
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: be me texting beet what you're doing because I want
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: to talk about another show, Tyler Perry.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: What you're doing?
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: Because I need to come to Atlanta because I need
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: to put this idea for you. What you're doing for
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: me has to have some reciprocal value. And it's not
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: about being an asshole. It's just like, what are we doing?
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: What are we doing?
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: We?
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: I want to hang out? What the hang out? Let's
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: party with a purpose.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: My birthday party this year is going to be a
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: fundraiser where I raise a half a million dollars for
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: my nonprofit. So everybody that comes to that dinner, it's
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: gonna be one hundred seats, five thousand to see everybody's welcome.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: How many of my friends got it? Want to show up?
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: How many my friends got in? Don't want to show up? Okay,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: you don't, you can't make it. You can send five thousand.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: I'm going to test everybody who's in my ecosystem. And
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: if you don't want to show up and you don't
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: want to support me, just tell me. I don't want
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: to support you. I would respect that more than I'm unavailables.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: And I you know you if you got it and
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: you can't make it because people at that level they
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: send the check. You know so now, But but who
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: told me that?
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: Rihanna?
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: She's like, make your party make sense for you do
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: a party that's important to you. Stop stop making it
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: about everybody. Every year you do a party and invite
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: everybody and you paying for everything, make it all about you.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: I had to give myself permission to be selfish, selfish,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: and I blame Rihanna for that. So it's like when
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: you want to know why is he like or why
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: is she like him? Because that's how we overhear building
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: and I look at again, like to your point, there's
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: so much damage in our community, Like you know, like
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: why would a person to somebody who has it all,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: who don't need you for nothing, say I want you.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: I want you so bad.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: I'm going to build you up and make you live
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: out what you're trying to live out in a way
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: that gives you the independence to walk away when it
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: no longer serves you. But you still say, oh no,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: I just you're trying to control me, you self, sabotage
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: your own shit because you didn't believe you're worthy of love.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: That may be a book or something like we have
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: to figure out how to just because I don't think
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: we know that we're all deserving of it.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: No, That's why I always when I talk to someone
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: that looks like us, I always make sure to talk
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: about it because no one else will, because no one
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: else knows befo.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: I'll let you go. One thing that I do want
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: you to address. People think you have a heart on
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: for Beyonce, and a lot of a lot of people
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: know you love her, and you have made that explicitly clear.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: A lot of people, though, Jason, they weren't happy when
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: you were on your show, and they felt you threatened
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: to expose her and they felt that that was you
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: went too far When it comes to that, what do
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: you have to say to the people in terms of
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: how do you reconcile saying I love you, You're the
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: greatest thing.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: And you know they make fun of you chasing her
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: when when.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: You already addressed that, we got to get into it,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: but then use your same platform to say I know
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: things about you and I will I will say.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: It, and that's not what I said.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: So again, you know, it's like the internet is the
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: Internet is this cyclone of telephone?
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: Like he did what he said? What who is saying?
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: And this is why I never really get into those weeds,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: because you know, those weeds are for the people again
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: who navigate at a level that I that I'm far beyond.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: What I will say.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: First is I don't give a fuck nobody think about
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: my relationship with Beyonce, because it doesn't matter what people think.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: They're free to think whatever they want as it relates
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: to Beyonce. The people around her like Angiebonz, who I love,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: knows Ty Hunter, who's a friend of mine, who introduced
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: me to Beyonce, knows Neil, who does her here, who's
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: a friend of mine, knows Jules, her nephew knows. You know,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: Kelly Rowland, who I talked to not long ago, who
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: saw all the Internet stuff. We had a conversation. She
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: knows how much I love her and Beyonce. Oh yeah, Kelly.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: Kelly checks the girl, Kelly Rowland. You know what's so crazy?
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: She didn't check me the way that people would expect.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: Kelly knows how much I love Kelly. Like, Kelly's one
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: of the most beautiful girls, flawless, skin sweet. Anytime Kelly
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: see you in a room, the way she lights up,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: it's like the only I could define his joy. I
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: love Kelly Rowland. I've always admired her. When her and
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: Chalice were friends years ago. I remember Coalise had she
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: did some event where she cooked something at a restaurant
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: and Kelly was there. We had a moment. So I've
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: always loved Kelly.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: I think what I was so mad about was how
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: the Internet turned this thing, you know, because they never heard.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: What I said.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: I believed it out showed your co host. Yeah, but
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: that was just my way of getting the Internet's attention
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: because evet No sure wouldn't get the messge to Beynest.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: So I had to get it to Beyonce because I'm
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: not going to.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: Call Angibn's who I love and put her in an
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: awkward situation and say this was going on. I need
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: to talk to me, like I'm not going to call
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: who am I? Who am I to call up the queen?
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: And I want to put me on the phone with
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: Beyonce like I ain't gonna do that. I ain't gonna
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: bother Kelly Rowland and say, Kelly, you know because first
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: of all, I got to call Tim, her husband, I
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: got a will and deal with him. I ain't doing
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: all that. I'm not doing it. So let me get
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: everybody's hit and I know how to do this. So
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: I got everybody's attention. Now what I was what I
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: didn't think of when I did that, was that it
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: would like spin out of control. But the Internet is
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: a reckless highway that you know I tend to frequent.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: But the thing I will say about Kelly Rowland, first
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: of all, she loved Beyonce.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: She gonna have it.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: If Beyonce say we got to go do a drive by.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: Kelly's going to drive the car. Kelly will say do
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: you want or do you want me to drive? That's
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: what I love about it. So I'll tell you. I
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: went to Carti's concert with them. I took no card
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: not Cardi. Wait, yeah, it's Carty. I went to Carti's
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: concert with Tiffany Hattish and friends. Was it was it
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: Cardi's concert? Anyway, it was somewhere to see Carti and Carti.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: We went to Carti's dressing room and so me and
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: Tiffany were like, okay, let's go find Oh it.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: Was Carti's concert. The tour that just happened.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, it was, you know, it was the It was
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: the I went to so many It was the La
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: show and uh so, uh I knew Kelly was mad
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: at me because I had heard she was mad at
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: me or whatever.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: And so I go to the show and uh so,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, let me go back there and holler that cardiork.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: So me and Tiffany were walking backstage and we we
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: opened the door to go into Carti's room, and so
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: open the door, Kelly rolling sitting there. I'm like fuck,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: you know, like fuck you know, cause she from Houston.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: She might get up, we might have to square up,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: I love Kelly.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: So I walk in and Kelly's sitting there, and part
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: of me was like, damn, I just want to go
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: hugger because I love her so much, but like, I
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: ain't gona hugger because she mad a shit, but she
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: ain't looking like she mad.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: I just know she's mad.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: So I So Tiffany walks in and so so Tiffany's
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: in front of me. Everybody loves Tiffany, so Kelly's like,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: hey girl, and they're like hey girl in it. So
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: when Kelly hugs Tiffany, obviously, now her face is on
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: Tiffany's shoulder and she says, I'm right behind her.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: So now I'm like, do I say Hi? Do I
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: not say Hi?
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: But it's just Kelly, her husband, me, Tiffany, and my friends,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: so it's not like there's an audience. So I'm like,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: you know what, Nope, I'm not going to bother her
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: because not because I want to be shady, but I
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: want to respect her. Piece that is Kelly motherfucking rolling
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: over there. I'm leaving her alone, so I don't say anything.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: And Kelly goes hi to all of us, and I
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: go HI, and I leave it at that. So I'm thinking, Okay,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: at least we spoke, but it's not like how I
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: usually see Kelly how she's So I left it at that,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: and then we all sat down and it was quiet,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: you know. And then they came and got Kelly and
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: her husband and they left and it was just us
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: a while. I was like, yo, that was awkward as shit.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: Now by this time, all the people are in the
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: room and now it's we're in this pride room. So
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, that was kind of awkward. Damn, you know,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: like and certificately like what happened?
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: What was going on?
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: So I started explaining to Tippy, like, you know, she's
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: mad at me because this internet thing that I So
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: we're there for a while. The door opens is Kelly
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: and her husband and they're walking out, and now the
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: room is full with people and Kelly's about to leave,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: and so I'm literally sitting here like this and Kelly
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: walks by and so everybody's like bye bye, so like
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: bye bye, and so she walked a boy and then
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: I fell a hand on my shoulder, right hand, and
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: I turned around and it's Kelly. And I said, nope,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: I ain't gonna do this with you. I am not
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: doing because you know, damn well, I love the Queen.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: You know I love you. I don't.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: She goes, Jason, Jason, Jason, and she she goes, I
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: thought you loved us. I said, you know, damn well,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: I love you, and you know I would never shave
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: Beyon said, you know that I'm not going to have
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: this conversation with you and with all these people because
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: it's still a personal private thing if we're going to
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: talk about it, for really to get into it.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: And I said nope, I said, I love her.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: I love you, you know I Whenever she goes, but Jason,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: you know, we kind of feel like you, you know,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: you you attack the family. I'm like, no, I love
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: her and I love you. And she goes, you know,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: we love you too. And then and then her husband
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: was like come on, you know how your husband like,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: come on. We got here and she was like hold
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: on and say hold on, and I said, I want
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: you to know I love you. I love her.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that I'm willing to tell you what it was.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: I did tell her a little bit about what the
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: concern was or who was related to her, and she
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: was like, all right, we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: We cool, it's cool. And then we left it at that.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: But it wasn't like it wasn't no beef when I
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: saw it. Now the one that kind of hurt me though,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: that I felt bad about. And I don't have her
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: information on mark because I have a new phone. Angibn
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: is her cousin. I did see her at a party
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: and she was like she was standing there. I was like, damn,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: I want to so I want to Hutganjie, but I
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: can't Hugtganjie because it's weird. And when she got by me,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: she said Jason, and I said, Angie, you know, I
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: love you know. And we just talked really briefly. But
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: I still want to, you know, at some point, if
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: I ever run into b and she she ever gives
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: me a chance to say anything, we can have a
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: key key on the side because she know Beyonce, is
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: she paying attention with what you're doing. She pay attention
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: to what I'm doing. She she she pays attention to everything.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: But there's no beef. There's no beef. I love Beyonce.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: She's fucking goat. How can you hate Beyonce?
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, we know that Beyonce watches, So Beyonce is looking
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: at this right now, this is your moment.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: What would you like to say? Well, I'm not gonna
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: you know, I ain't. I don't want to say nine
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: the specific Listen, listen. The conversation I have that I
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: had then and that I have now will be for
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: her if she ever wants it. But you know, obviously
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: she's Beyonce. She I mean, I've talked to Michael Jackson,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: I've danced on stage with Prince. I know Rihann, I
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: know I work with Kanye the Goats. Shout out to
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: Kendl Lamar, who showed me outs Love Weekends. I'm in
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: Tyler Perce, I'm in the conversation with Madonna's I'm in
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: the car rooms. I'm in the room with the Goats.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: The goats, you want to have the relationship, I'm open
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: to having the relationship with them in clear errors and whatever.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: I don't ever feel like I need to be submissive
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: to anybody because they're a singer or a rapper, an
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: actor or nothing. Because when nobody's above or better than anybody.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: But I would absolutely love to clear the air because
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: one thing I never want, and I think the only
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: thing I would ever feel bad about is that Beyonce
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: felt like damn Jason who loved me all these years,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: like don't like me, no hate something he or as
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: we No, I love her, She's fucking Beyonce. But I
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: will say this, every artist, everybody who's in this business
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: needs to have a team that actually gives a fuck.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: That isn't just you know, thinking, because they work with
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: an artist, they can shit on and treat anybody any
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: type of way because I don't give a fuck who
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: you are. I don't give a fuck who you are.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: When you see me walk in that motherfucking room, you're
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: gonna respect me. You're gonna put some respect on my name,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: or you're gonna suffer the consequence, and then you all
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: can fucking deal with it over Thanksgiving dinner. It's not
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: my problem, you know, Eve no Shore somebody. I had
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: a lot of respect for it. And Evet knows that.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: She will tell you that I just saw you that
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: recently at BT Awards. She didn't speak to me. I
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: didn't speak to her. Snow Beef it's just you know
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: where I stand now. I was in Saint Lucia, saw
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: her backstage. She stopped and talked to my friends. We
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: didn't speak beef because she know what she did. Am
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: I willing to sit down and talk to you that
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: that's where the issue is. But it's because I worked
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: hard as a black man to own a one of
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: the biggest, most relevant companies in culture and then you
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: don't respect my business. And you are black publicist from Grenada,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: and I know what you went through. You represent the
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: one of the biggest black stars of our lifetime. And
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: you saw how they shot it on Beyonce when she
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: started you show. You saw how they treated her, how
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: they disrespected her mother when she showed up with them
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: clothes she made and thinking that she was they weren't
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: cute enough when that woman, that woman, the mother and
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: father quit their jobs to put everything they had into
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: the cause. You saw that shit. How the fuck you
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: see their grind? And I have a respect for mine?
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: Nah? Fuck that?
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: And I'm not supposed to say nothing because you work
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: for Beyonce. You ain't Beyonce. So now Beyonce know how
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: I feel. I love Beyonce down like that she gave us.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: What the fuck she gave us? What's the album she
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: gave us? I mean all sudden, what's that last? Not
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: the last one? The Cowboy and what's the one? Oh Renaissance? Yes,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: and I say it, that's with all due respect, that
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: bitch gave us an album to celebrate in our community
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: that we would have.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: Never saw from another art.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: I said that too, so so for me. And when
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: I say that bitch, I mean that's our bit. That's
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: Oh no, that's Mother, you know, that's that's Mother. That
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: bitch gave us an album that I played to this
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: day because I could see myself and I see Uncle Johnny,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: I see we see us, And that was that was
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: a gift to our community in a way without using
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: us like I talked about earlier. So for me, and
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: I'm getting goose even the way she partnered with Madonna
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: on that shit, like, what she has done deserves to
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: be respected, but it also deserves to be protected by
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: the people she put around her.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: Don't shit on people and treat people like that.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: And since I've been outspoken, speaking out and then other
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: people coming like you know this, you know this, you
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: know this, And I got stories that again.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: If I put if I, if I, if I spilled
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: all the.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: Tea that this little genius might have, baby, it ain't
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: enough bandwidth on Earth to handle it all that she
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: probably don't even know. So would I get frustrated? As
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: here I am out the tea spiller. And I love
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: how this whole, the whole conversation's gone. People think you
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: messiness and I I'm gonna tell you something off camera
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: that don't have nothing to do with what we talking
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: about right now.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be like and you never said nothing.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: It would make international news, but I choose not to
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: do it because I know the destruction it will cause
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: other people. I know how Young Miami was feeling, how
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: she was being shitted on by Ndra and all these
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: people out there shitting on her song.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: But you didn't do the same. The sexy read it
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: was talking about her booty, whole brown and all this
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: other shit. You weren't attacking her.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: But you want to attack Young Miami because you think
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: it's popular to dump on her right now because her
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: nigga did something.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: Now, We're not gonna let you bully her like that.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: So I team that with Rihanna. We put that out.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: Now what spin that shit? But I ain't gonna get
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: credit for that. I ain't gonna get credit for putting
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: John the Major's on the stage when y'all try to
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: take him out and show him that black men are
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: worthy of redemption. You're not gonna shit on my brother Jonathan.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: That's why he put Magazine Dreams out. He's killing ya
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: because he's one of the best actors in the world.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: You know, you're not going to give me that credit
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: and that grace because it's okay. But I don't do
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: it for that. I do it as I do what
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: the fuck I want to do. As it relates to Beyonce,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: she mother anytime. If mother called me, tell me where
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: you want me to be, I'll get I'll get a
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: first class flight and I'll be there because I love her,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: So there's that.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: There's no beef and Kelly Rowland pull up, not pull up.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: I love Kelly Roland though I love them all right,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: Alex Farmer Minna is all right. So I want to
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: play a rapid fire?
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: Can I say one more thing? Of course, shout out
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: to Melissa Ford. Now let's get into that real quick.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: Let's get into that.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Melissa for it.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: I think people you know, obviously we didn't watch did
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: she leave Hollywood. I'm not getting into that because she
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: tell her own story. You know, I felt she had
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: went on drink Champs and she had a little too
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: much liquor, and everybody knows.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: And I don't think.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if she drinks anymore. But you know,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: mal she when she drinks, she's a little fun. She
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: got a little loose lipped, and she said some slic
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: shit and I went on there and said some slic shit.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: But at the core of it all, when I started
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: this thing on the mic, it was Melissa Ford was
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: the only person that I trusted to sit with me,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: because you know, it's hard to have a co host.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: That's why you got your own shit the king, fuck
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: all that. When you got a king, aana queen, y'all
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: niggas is competing for Mike time, and you know, me
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: and her found a rhythm when I didn't even know
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: what I was doing. That literally competed with the Breakfast
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: Club in a way. They were like what they're doing
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: over there, And it was I was able to find
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: comfort in doing this thing with her as my my
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: road dog because we we would lay it up and
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: you know whatever. And so you know, I didn't like
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: how we fell out, but I did like how she
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: she talked to you, she talked to me, and I
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: like the way she handled that conversation because you set
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: her up to do some messy ship because you were
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: trying to fucking crouse a wedge between me and Melissa
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: for because because she.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: Was trying to be a messy ass bitch.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: You asked me the wrong motherfucking question and I ran
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: in the Carlos and the gym and Miami Baby. He
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: said hello, And I had a mouthful about that because
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: I felt like, motherfucker.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: But no, Melissa, you know, I am so happy to
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: watch her doing her own thing right now. She finally
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: did what all of us do. Who starts some it's
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: like it's like that that that flight with turbulence until
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: you get coasting. She's now coasting, doing her own thing.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: She got one of the last interviews with Michael Jamal Warner.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: She's she's visible. You see, she created her own she
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: she owns and she knows what it takes to do that.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: So I love the conversation that you all had and
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: that was the conversation that allowed me to go back
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: to her sliding her dms like what's up, you know,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: like thank you for that, and you know, and we
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: we talked or whatever. And then she went over to
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: Joe Buden's podcast and let him use her to try
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: to shop on me, and then he fucked her over
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: and she learned the hard way that you know what
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, everybody ain't your friend, and a woolf in
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: sheep's clothing ain't none but a bitch.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: But NA.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: Tell the guy back here stop laughing because I'm trying
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: to stay trying to stay positive. Okay, by the way,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: he's attractive. See now they sayund like dark skin man,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: y'all can't see what's behind the camera. He's straight. He
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: can't be attractedly. Okay, fuck you up. I just want on,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: hold on hold.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: I was okay the niggas.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: I know my man, I know my man. Wait, he
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: got a lee on his shirt. It don't mean I
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: want to hear one one and one million or four
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: page letter. I'm just saying, I'm observation. I know you
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: when Jason, I'm not going to bother this in the
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: clubs together with Jason Lee Steeves a man he wants.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: First of all, First, no, you don't play from I'm
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: I'm Andy Cohen that situation. I'm gonna go get what
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: I want. Shout out to Andy. I almost almost wanted
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: to fight Andy one night.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: He got one that I want to But anyway, uh no,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: First of all, I don't want to know that I
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: don't want the man.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you know, I'm just talking. Anyway, he's
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: a tractor. What I'm listen for it?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Melissa man, you know she's She's Melissa fucking
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: for it like she is who she is. And I
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: think at times she hasn't given herself the credit that
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: she deserves for paving away for lots of people, and
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of people disrespected her along the way, and
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: I think that obviously our relationship didn't work out, and
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: she maybe felt like, you know, I should have been
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: there for her when I when I when she needed
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: me or something, you know, And I look forward to
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: the day that me and her, can you know, do
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: a one more time, like let's sit down and have
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: a warm because our fans, Yeah, our fans want to
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: see it.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: So I told Giovanni.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: I ran to him once, like maybe the three of
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: us sit down and just do a one more show,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: because you know, he left and then she left and
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: then I let whatever. But nah, I have loved for
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: Melissa for it. I just you know, I was in
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: my feelings that Drink Champs episode. I was like, I
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: went in there, I told Noyek, I'm coming to burn
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: everybody down today and I did. And you know, but
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: I love Mussis. It was a good episode.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to ask you this. Yes, when I
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: say this, I'm not saying this because we're friends. The
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: way taler Berry built his own studio for movies and scripted,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: you have done that in the digital space. And there's
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: tons of people out there who came before you, who
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: was on YouTube doing other shit before you, even someho
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: are doing it now.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: You literally built this shit, And I'll be remiss not
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: to ask this for the many of people who look
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: up to you. How did you create Hollywood, unlock and
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: build this empire?
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: Because a lot of people give that credit to Floyd Mayweather,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: and you've give him his prosper what he has was
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: done for you.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: But what advice do you have for people? Let me
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: say this people at first that you say, Oh, he's
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: Floyd Mayweather's best friend, so Floyd's given him whatever he wants.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: Floyd being friends with Floyd Mayweather or a Robert Smith,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: the second most wealthiest black man in the country who
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: just raised one hundred billion dollars, actually makes it harder
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: for me because when you go ask for the money,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: they're like, why can't Floyd just give it to you?
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: Why can't Robert just give it to you.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: I'm buying a company right now for twenty million dollars,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: and they're like, why can't Robert just give you all
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: the money? Because that's not our relationship. If Robert wants
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: to do anything, Robert will, But that's not my relationship
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: with Robert. My relationship as an entrepreneur is to go
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: out and figure out what I want build my cap stack,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: go and invite the right strategic partners to the table,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: make sure that my equity stays where it is, to
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: allow me to keep control and know all the verticals
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: that I want to build.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm as an entrepreneur.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: I'm a smart ass businessman when it comes to what
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: I've been able to build when I started Hollywood Unlock.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: The thing that Alex Avon, who's a friend of mine
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: said to me is I'm Alex okay, so ux is
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: the one that said to me, like, why don't you
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: build your own company? And that's how the Hollywood and
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: Locked thing came about. All these things I wanted to do.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: He said, Yo, you're a You're a jack of all trades,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: but you don't master anything. That was like, ah, it
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: was like a gut check.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: So I had.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: He said, you need to master one thing and then
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: build on that because you want to do it all.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: You want the events, you want, the shows you want
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: build the foundation. So I went and built Hollywood Unlocked
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: dot com, got on Love and hip Hop to promote it,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: then got on my while'n out to diversify it. Then
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: launched the podcast to have my own voice that I
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: had creative control and final cut approval. Then I wanted
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: to license that to make more money. Then that led
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: to building this, Then that led to building that. Then
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: I wanted to honor people after they say I couldn't
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: go to a ward show, so I built my own
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: award show. And now then I wrote a book because
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: I wanted to tell my story to help other people.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: And now the book's becoming a movie. It's like I'm
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: doing the I'm the jack of all trades who mastered
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: one thing and then built on that. So I had
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: to build the foundation of Hollywood Unlocked, and then I
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: had to build all the pillars when I built the
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: agency side of Hollywood Unlocked. My first client was Kanye West,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: and then I went and took on enhanced health care.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: Then I went and took on this first, and then
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: I started, you know, consulting people and saying, oh, in
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: order for me to consult you, my fee is x.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you all for those of you watching,
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: since he want to ask about money, my fee is
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: a million dollars a year. If you're not willing to
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: pay or unable to pay, I don't understand how to
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: find the time to work for you.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: That is what it takes. And that is what it
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: took Kanye.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: That's what it took Enhance, and that's what it'll take
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: anybody and any other client that I've worked for on
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: the side, whether you've known or not known, if you
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: want me to consult you, if you want me to
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: spend the time opening up my my rolodex, my resources,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: my thoughts, my my creative ideas. It's a million dollars
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: a month, and the payment has to be on time
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: every time. Kanye said, I'm gonna just pay you in
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: one payment. The other people pay me monthly, quarterly, whatever,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: but you just got to pay me. And so yeah,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: I built Hollywood unlocked, you know, in a very strategic way.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: And there's still much more I want to do and
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: when and when I exit, My goal is I want
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: to exit a billion dollars. I want to at least
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: have fifty percent so I can then go and become
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: an investor, dollingthroptics, should and do all the other things
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: I want to do. And I hope Tyler says I
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: have ten more years. I tell him I want five.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: I want to be done in five. He was like, nope,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: ten when you sell it for yeah, yeah the billion,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: yeah yeah, yea yeah for sure.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but it'll go like that. Yeah, because you're
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: you're good now yeah. Would you work with Kanye West again?
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: Kanye?
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: And I I mean, let me say this right now, no,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: because I you know, the one thing I would say
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: is Kanye respected me to the extent that I when
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: he knew I was going to leave.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: He called me and said, you're leaving. Yeah, I was out.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: He never he he I have a relationship with everybody
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: else did so would I work with him today? No?
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: Would I work with Kanye, who was healthy in his
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: right mind, had a very clear direction. You wanted to
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: go and focus all the things? Yes, because again I
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: think everybody's worthy of redemption. But all the work you
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: have to do to be worthy of the redemption is
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: the part I think he struggles with. Fair Okay, rapid
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: fire questions Jason Lee addition, who is the most powerful
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: celebrity you ever had to expose? I don't really expose
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: what is what is exposed? I'm not media takeout. That's
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: Fred's thing. I don't expose people. We don't Hollywood A
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: lot does not expose.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: What's one story you do regret ever publishing or talking
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: about none?
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: Who's been banned from Hollywood? Unlocked, banned that you just
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: won't report on, that we won't report on. I mean,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: you know, I said on Angelae's show, Tank didn't want
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: us posting him, so we don't post him. Yeah, what's
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: the biggest secret about Hollywood that people still don't know.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: That. They don't know that that they that they still
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: don't know. What is the thing about Holly? What that
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: people still don't know?
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: That's it's a place where you go to pursue your
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: dreams and not get distracted. I feel like people go
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: there with this idea of Hollywood and and and they
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: lose track of what they're there for. I went there
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: with a very clear plan and I executed it. Who's
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: the one celebrity that sent you a cease and desist?
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to say that person's name because I
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: recently did something that went viral and I don't.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to put them out there
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, has anyone ever offer you money to kill a story?
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah? A lotto, which is why we don't have a
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: relationship anymore. But I love Lotto. She's beautiful, congrats.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: On the baby and all that she offered you money
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: not to reveal that. Well, she did and her team did, Yeah,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: because we broke I think we broke the story of
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: her in twenty one savage dating at a time where
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: they didn't want that out and their team wanted to
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: pay us off, and we were like, no, we love Lotto,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: but we're not gonna take the story down and we're
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: not going to take the money for it. And then
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: I guess in turn, she doesn't like us anymore, which
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: is fine. But she's the only rapper to put my
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: name in a song that was fire by the way,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: and I love Lotto, And you know, hopefully one day
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: she comes around when it's all said and done. What
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: would you like for Jason Lee to be remembered.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: For that big ass check he got for everything he built?
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: That's it. You know.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: My legacy is going to be the youth center and
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: stocked in THEO became the vice first openly gay vice mayor,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: the kid who ran the streets, ran the city. The
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: book he wrote became a movie. The story that he
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: told his mind. You know, he he literally took control
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: of every aspect of his life, his career, his health,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: his weight, his mind. You know, He's That's what I like.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: When I run into people in they're like, you know,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: you know, like you just you inspire me so much.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it's hard to absorb it because you you know,
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: you really don't know what people are watching.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: My job is talking to just a camera.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: So I feel like I'm just talking to the camera,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: but I know there's millions and millions of people that
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: get to see the stuff and that and then you know,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: Wendy had the shoe cam. I have shade cam, My
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: shade cam. I look, I say, do you think TikTok?
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: I'm all over TikTok. And I don't even post on
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: TikTok because my fans, right, So I know, I get
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: a lot of love when I see people. I mean,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: that does feel good because I do feel like, yo,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: like this is these are my people. This is the
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: love that I didn't have as a kid. So in
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: that respect, I love it. But like I don't care
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: if people love me hate me, You're gonna respect me.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: But at the end, when I sell it all and
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: I go away, you know I'm going to get what
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: I wanted out of this, and that is influence, impact, money,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: and the ability to now do what I want to
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: do for the rest of my life. And I will
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: say this though, it does feel good to be able
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: to live life on my own terms, Like I don't
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: have to do anything I don't want to do. I
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: do everything that I want to do, and I spend
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: time with who I want to spend time with. And
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: that's freedom.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: You don't even know how good it feels until you
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: lose it. And there's no brand I work with right
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: now that I don't want to work with. There's no
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: money I'm taking that I don't want to take, there's
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: no there's no there's you know. I am at a
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: point though, where I'm getting to a point where I'm like,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: unless I have something to promote, which is different here
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: because we talked about doing this, but like, I don't
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: even want to.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: Just be doing interviews and more.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: I used to do interviews, all the interviews because I
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: wanted the audience jack, but it was strategic like I'm
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: gonna go and breakfast cub take their Audience'm gonna drink
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: chain to take the audience.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna over here and take their audience. But like
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: I've already done that.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: Now now I'm now I'm backing up a little bit more,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 3: saying like how do I how do I creep this
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: partnership with this network and build more shows for more people,
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: like what you've done for you know, people are creating shows.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: I want to do that.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: That's That's where I'm at now.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: I'm proud of you.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: I appreciate, and not only on a professional level, of
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: all the things you built personally, to know that despite
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: everything that you have been through and gone through and
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: and experience, your relationship with God and never dissipate it,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: and the fact that I hope that the audience walks
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: away learning more about you as a man in the
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: sense of you still give God all the credit. Absolutely,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: but we know in our business that's not the case
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: And that people need to believe their own height.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: And although you're very confident your whims call you all
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: the things, I would say that I'm pleasantly surprised in
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: a good way that you still have your feet planted
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: on the ground and I love that.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's why we put gospel music at the
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: end of every one of my award shows. That's why
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: I took text Harvey Mason, the president of the Recording
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 3: Academy and the Grammys, like I need you all to
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: put gospel back in the broadcast, whether you choose to
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: do it or not, whether he listens to me or not.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: I told him, I feel like we need to see
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: that more because the world right now is wicked and
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: the last thing I want to end with is please
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: register to vote. And if you're in a city or
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: a state where people are trying to attack your right
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: to vote or your voice to vote, please don't allow
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: all the people who died to be their dest to
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: be in vain because they did all of that to
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: give us the freedom that we've been talking about. I mean,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: I think that right now just the culture is under attack.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: Rights are under attacked, gay women, everything is a black's
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: under attack. Like you don't understand the impact to everything,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: like having this show. Our brand's not going to sponsor
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: the show because the President don't like DEI, So now
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: you're losing brand dollars. I'm gonna go give it to
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: white people who target black people and not black people
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: who own who talks to black me Like, it's the
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: whole thing. Every single person plays a part in that.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: So the last thing I would end with is be
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: responsible and get ready to to vote. Jason Lee, y'all bye.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: That was excellent.
• 1:59:38
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• 1:59:43
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• 1:59:47
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