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DJT Audio Archive: Republican Debate #9 - Greenville, South Carolina (February 13, 2016) · Real Donald Trump Wisdom

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  We don't win anymore. We don't make good deals
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  anymore. My philosophy on radical Islamic terrorism
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  is very simple. We win, they lose. The world
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  is a better place. It's a safer place. When we
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  are the strongest military in the world, I believe
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  we have an obligation to help people who live
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  in the shadows. We were fiscally responsible.
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  We took leadership positions. We were innovative.
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  We must restore our place as the leader and indispensable
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  power of the free world. We are going to make
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  America great again. Tonight, live from the Peace
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  Center in Greenville, South Carolina, CBS News
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  brings you the Republican presidential debate.
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  Good evening, I'm John Dickerson. This holiday
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  weekend as America honors our first president,
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  we're about to hear from six men who hope to
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  be the 45th. Candidates for the Republican nomination
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  are here in South Carolina for their ninth debate,
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  one week before this state holds the first in
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  the South primary. George Washington wrote, that
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  the truth will ultimately prevail where there
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  is pains taken to bring it to light. We hope
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  to shed some light on the candidates' positions
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  tonight to help voters make up their minds. So
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  gentlemen, please join us on stage. With us tonight,
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  with us tonight, our retired neurosurgeon Ben
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  Carson of Florida. Senator Marco Rubio of Florida.
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  Businessman Donald Trump of New York. Senator
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  Ted Cruz of Texas, former Governor Jeb Bush of
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  Florida, and Governor John Kasich of Ohio. Now,
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  as most of you have heard by now, Supreme Court
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  Justice Antonin Scalia died today at the age
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  of 79. He was the longest -serving member of
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  the court appointed by President Reagan in 1986.
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  Justice Scalia was the court's leading conservative
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  and even those who disagreed with his opinions
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  regarded him as a brilliant legal scholar. Please
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  join us and the candidates on our stage in a
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  moment of silence for Justice Antonin Scalia.
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  Thank you. We will talk to the candidates about
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  Justice Scalia and the road ahead when the debate
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  begins in a moment. Before we get started, candidates,
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  here are the rules. When we ask you a question,
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  you will have one minute to answer. And 30 seconds
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  more if we ask a follow -up. If you're attacked
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  by another candidate, you get 30 seconds to respond.
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  And here's how we keep time. After we ask a question,
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  you'll get a green light. The yellow light means
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  you have 30 seconds left to finish your answer.
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  And when time is up, the light turns red. That
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  means please stop talking. If you keep talking,
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  you'll hear this. You don't want to hear that.
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  Joining me in the questioning tonight, my CBS
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  News colleague, Chief White House Correspondent
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  Major Garrett, and Kimberly Strassel, who is
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  on the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal.
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  And you can participate in the debate, too, through
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  our partnership with Twitter. Tweet us your questions
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  and comments using the hashtag GOPDebate. So
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  let's begin. First, the death of Justice Scalia
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  and the vacancy that leaves on the Supreme Court.
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  Mr. Trump, I want to start with you. You've said
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  that the president shouldn't nominate anyone
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  in the rest of his term to replace Justice Scalia.
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  If you were president and had a chance with 11
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  months left to go in your term, wouldn't it be
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  an abdication to conservatives in particular
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  not to name a conservative justice with the rest
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  of your term? Well, I can say this. If the president
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  and if I were president now, I would certainly
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  want to try and nominate a justice. And I'm sure
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  that, frankly, I'm absolutely sure that President
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  Obama will try and do it. I hope that our Senate
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  is going to be able, Mitch and the entire group
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  is going to be able to do something about it
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  in times of delay. We could have a Diane Sykes
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  or you could have a Bill Pryor. We have some
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  fantastic people. But this is a tremendous blow
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  to conservatism. It's a tremendous blow. frankly,
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  to our country. So just to be clear on this,
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  Mr. Trump, you're okay with the president nominating
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  somebody? I think he's going to do it, whether
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  I'm okay with it or not. I think it's up to Mitch
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  McConnell and everybody else to stop it. It's
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  called delay, delay, delay. Governor Kasich,
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  I want to get your thoughts on this. Justice
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  Scalia was a real believer, obviously, in the
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  strict word of the Constitution. Now, Harry Reid
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  says that a failure to fill his vacancy would
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  be, quote, shameful abdication of one of the
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  Senate's most essential constitutional responsibilities.
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  Where do you come down on this? Well, John, first
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  of all, if I were president, we wouldn't have
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  the divisions in the country we have today. And
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  I do want to take a second as we reflected on
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  Judge Scalia. It's amazing. It's not even two
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  minutes after the death of Judge Scalia. Nine
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  children here today. Their father didn't wake
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  up. His wife, you know, sad, but, you know, I
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  just wish we hadn't run so fast into politics.
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  Here's my concern about this. The country is
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  so divided right now, and now we're going to
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  see another partisan fight taking place. I really
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  wish the president would think about not nominating
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  somebody. If he were to nominate somebody, let's
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  have him pick somebody that is going to have
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  unanimous approval and such widespread approval
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  across the country that this could happen without
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  a lot of recrimination. I don't think that's
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  going to happen. And I would like the president
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  to just for once here put the country first.
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  We're going to have an election for president
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  very soon, and the people will understand what
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  is at stake in that election. And so I believe
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  the president should not move forward, and I
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  think that we ought to let the next president
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  of the United States decide who is going to run
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  that Supreme Court with a vote by the people
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  of the United States of America. Dr. Carson,
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  you, like others, put out a statement after the
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  death was announced, and you said the president
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  should delay. You've written a book on the Constitution
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  recently. What does the Constitution say about
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  whose duty it is here to act in this kind of
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  a situation? Well, the Constitution actually
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  doesn't address that particular situation. But
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  the fact of the matter is the Supreme Court obviously
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  is a very important part of our governmental
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  system. And when our Constitution was put in
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  place, the average age of death was under 50.
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  And therefore, the whole concept of lifetime
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  appointments for Supreme Court judges and federal
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  judges. was not considered to be a big deal.
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  Obviously, that has changed. And it's something
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  that probably needs to be looked at pretty carefully
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  at some point. But we need to start thinking
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  about the divisiveness that is going on in our
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  country. I looked at some of the remarks that
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  people made after finding out that Justice Scalia
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  had died. And they were truly nasty remarks.
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  And that we have managed to get to that position
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  in our country is truly a shame. And we should
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  be thinking about how can we create some healing
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  in this land. But right now, we're not going
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  to get healing with President Obama. That's very
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  clear. So I fully agree that we should not allow
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  a judge to be appointed during his time. Senator
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  Rubio, you're a lawyer. Senator Rubio, you're
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  a lawyer. Quickly, can you address the issue
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  of whether the Constitution tells us who has
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  the power to appoint Supreme Court justices?
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  And then also, the Senate Republicans last year
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  floated an idea of removing the filibuster for
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  Supreme Court nominations. You seemed open to
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  that. What's your feeling on that now? Well,
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  let me first talk about Justice Scalia. His loss
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  is tremendous, and obviously our hearts and prayers
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  go out to his family. He will go down as one
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  of the great justices in the history of this
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  republic. You talk about someone who defended
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  consistently the original meaning of the Constitution,
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  who understood that the Constitution was not
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  there to be interpreted based on the fads of
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  the moment, but that it was there to be interpreted
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  according to its original meaning. Justice Scalia
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  understood that better than anyone in the history
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  of this republic. His dissent, for example, on
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  the independent council case is a brilliant piece
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  of jurist work. And, of course, his dissent on
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  Obergefell as well. Number two, I do not believe
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  the president should appoint someone. And it's
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  not unprecedented. In fact, it's been over 80
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  years since a lame duck president has appointed
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  a Supreme Court justice. And it reminds us of
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  this, how important this election is. Someone
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  on this stage will get to choose the balance
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  of the Supreme Court. And it will begin by filling
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  this vacancy that's there now. And we need to
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  put people on the bench that understand that
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  the Constitution is not a living and breathing
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  document. It is to be interpreted as originally
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  meant. Quickly, though, on this question. Very
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  quickly, Senator, on this specific question,
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  though. You were once in favor of dropping the
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  threshold to 50 to a majority. You were never
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  in favor of that. No, I've never. There has been,
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  for example, today, according to the changes
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  Harry Reid made. Appellate judges can now be
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  appointed by a simple majority, but not Supreme
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  Court justices. And I think today you see the
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  wisdom of why we don't want that to change. Because
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  if that were the case and we were not in charge
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  of the Senate, Harry Reid and Barack Obama would
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  ram down our throat a liberal justice like the
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  ones Barack Obama has imposed on us already.
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  Governor Bush, I'd like to ask you, conservatives
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  for a long time have felt... Like, Republican
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  presidents have picked justices that didn't turn
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  out to be real conservatives. Bernie Sanders
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  has said he would have a litmus test. He would
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  make sure that he appointed a justice who was
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  going to overturn Citizens United. If they can
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  have a litmus test, what about you? Would you
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  have a litmus test for a nominee, and what would
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  it be? Not on specific issues, not at all. I
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  think the next president, if I'm president, I'll
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  appoint... I'll nominate people that have a proven
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  record in the judiciary. The problem in the past
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  has been we've appointed people thinking you
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  can get it through the Senate because they didn't
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  have a record. And the problem is that sometimes
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  we're surprised. The simple fact is the next
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  president needs to appoint someone with a proven
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  conservative record, similar to Justice Scalia,
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  that is a lover of liberty, that believes in
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  limited government, that consistently applied
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  that kind of philosophy, that didn't try to legislate
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  from the bench, that was respectful of the Constitution,
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  and then fight and fight and fight for that nomination
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  to make sure that that nomination passes. Of
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  course, the president, by the way, has every
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  right to nominate. Supreme Court justices. I'm
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  an article two guy in the Constitution. We're
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  running for the President of the United States.
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  We want a strong executive for sure. But in return
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  for that, there should be a consensus orientation
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  on that nomination. And there's no doubt in my
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  mind that Barack Obama will not have a consensus
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  pick when he submits that person to the Senate.
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  Right. So, Senator Cruz, the Constitution. So,
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  Senator Cruz, the Constitution says the president
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  shall appoint with advice and consent from the
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  Senate just to clear that up. So he has the constitutional
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  power. but you don't think he should. Where do
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  you set that date if you're president? Does it
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  begin in election year, in December, November,
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  September? And once you set the date, when you're
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  president, will you abide by that date? Well,
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  we have 80 years of precedent of not confirming
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  Supreme Court justices in an election year. And
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  let me say, Justice Scalia... Can I, I'm sorry
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  to interrupt. Were any nominated, appointed in
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  an election year? Or is that just there were
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  80 years? 80 years of not confirming. For example,
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  LBJ nominated Abe Fortas. Fortas did not get
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  confirmed. He was defeated. But Kennedy was confirmed
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  in 88. No, Kennedy was confirmed in 87. He was
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  appointed in 87, confirmed in 88. That's the
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  question. Is it appointing or confirming? In
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  this case, it's both. But if I could answer the
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  question. Sorry, I just want to get the facts
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  straight for the audience. I apologize. Justice
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  Scalia was a legal giant. He was somebody that
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  I knew for 20 years. He was a brilliant man.
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  He was faithful to the Constitution. He changed
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  the arc of American legal history. And I'll tell
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  you, his passing tonight, our prayers are with
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  his family, with his wife Maureen, who he adored,
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  his nine children, his 36 grandkids. But it underscores
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  the stakes of this election. We are one justice
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  away from a Supreme Court that will strike down
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  every restriction on abortion adopted by the
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  states. We are one justice away from a Supreme
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  Court that will reverse the Heller decision,
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  one of Justice Scalia's seminal decisions that
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  upheld the Second Amendment right to keep and
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  bear arms. We are one justice away from a Supreme
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  Court that would undermine the religious liberty
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  of millions of Americans. And the stakes of this
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  election for this year, for the Senate, the Senate
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  needs to stand strong and say, we're not going
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  to give up. the U .S. Supreme Court for a generation
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  by allowing Barack Obama to make one more liberal
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  appointee, and then for the state of South Carolina,
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  one of the most important judgments for the men
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  and women of South Carolina to make is who on
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  this stage has the background, the principle,
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  the character, the judgment, and the strength
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  of resolve to nominate and confirm principled
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  constitutionalists to the court. That will be
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  what I will do if I'm elected president. Thank
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  you, Senator Cruz. All right, we're going to
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  move on to national security here. And we are
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  going to, I want to read a quote from Secretary
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  Robert Gates, former Defense Secretary Robert
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  Gates, who served for eight years under eight
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  presidents. And this is what he said about Republican
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  candidates. Quote, part of the concern that I
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  have with the campaign is that the solutions
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  being offered are so simplistic and so at odds
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  with the way the world really works. So in that
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  spirit, we're going to work tonight to be more
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  specific. Mr. Trump, I want to start with you.
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  You've said as president, you'll get up to speed
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  very quickly. You'll know more quickly as president
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  than any of the experts. So you've been elected
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  president. It's your first day in the Situation
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  Room. What three questions do you ask your national
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  security experts about the world? What we want
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  to do, when we want to do it, and how hard do
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  we want to hit? Because we are going to have
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  to hit very, very hard to knock out ISIS. We're
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  going to also have to learn who our allies are.
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  We have allies, so -called allies. We're spending
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  billions and billions of dollars supporting people.
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  We have no idea who they are in Syria. Do we
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  want to stay that route, or do we want to go
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  and make something with Russia? I hate to say
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  Iran, but with Russia, because we made in the
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  Iran deal, it's one of the worst deals I've ever
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  seen negotiated in my entire life. It's a disgrace
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  that this country negotiated that deal. But very
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  important, not only a disgrace, it's a disgrace
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  and an embarrassment, but very important. Who
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  are we fighting with? Who are we fighting for?
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  What are we doing? We have to rebuild our country.
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  But we have to only get, I'm the only one on
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  this stage that said, do not go into Iraq. Do
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  not attack Iraq. Nobody else on this stage said
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  that. And I said it loud and strong. And I was
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  in the private sector. I wasn't a politician,
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  fortunately. But I said it, and I said it loud
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  and clear. You'll destabilize the Middle East.
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  That's exactly what happened. I also said, by
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  the way, four years ago, three years ago, attack
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  the oil. Take the wealth away. Attack the oil
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  and keep the oil. They didn't listen. They just
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  started that a few months ago. Senator Rubio,
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  just 30 seconds on this question, Senator Rubio.
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  Are those the questions you would ask? No, I
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  think there are three major threats that you
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  want to immediately get on top of. Number one
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  is, what are we doing in the Asia -Pacific region,
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  where both North Korea and China pose threats
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  to the national security of the United States?
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  Number two is, what are we doing in the Middle
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  East, with a combination of the Sunni -Shia conflict,
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  driven by the Shia arc that Iran is now trying
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  to establish in the Middle East, and also the
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  growing threat of ISIS? And the third is, rebuilding
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  and reinvigorating NATO in the European theater,
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  particularly in Central Europe and in Eastern
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  Europe, where Vladimir Putin is now threatening
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  the territory of multiple countries, already
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  controls 20 % of Georgia, and is... Let me ask
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  you a follow -up, a full, proper question. Violent
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  extremists are operating, are active in 40 countries.
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  Some 80 countries are in different degrees of
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  instability. And so that's just the crises overseas.
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  Barack Obama walked into an economic collapse
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  when he came into office. We face international
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  health crises from Ebola to Zika. So there's
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  a lot of opportunity for crisis, as you've talked
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  about. What would you point to in your past to
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  show voters that you've been in a crisis and
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  that you've been tested when that inevitable
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  crisis comes when you're president? Let me just
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  tell you what's happened a couple years ago.
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  One of the hardest decisions you'll ever make
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  in Congress is when you are asked by the president
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  to authorize the use of force in a conflict because
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  you are now putting your name on behalf of the
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  people of your state behind a military action
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  where Americans in uniform could lose their life.
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  So in 2014, Barack Obama said he would not take
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  military action against Assad unless it was authorized
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  by the Senate, beginning on the Committee of
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  Foreign Relations, where I am one of its members.
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  And it was hard, because you looked at the pictures.
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  I saw the same images people saw. I'm the father
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  of children. I saw the images of these little
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  children being gassed and poisoned by their own
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  leaders. And we were angry. Something had to
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  happen, and there was the sense that we needed
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  to seek retribution. And then I looked at Barack
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  Obama's plan. Barack Obama's plan, which John
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  Kerry later described as unbelievably small,
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  and I concluded that not attack would not only
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  not help the situation, it would make it actually
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  worse. It would allow Assad to stand up to the
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  United States of America, survive a strike, stay
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  in power, and actually strengthen his grip. And
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  so it was a difficult decision to make, and one
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  we only had a few days to look at and make a
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  decision on. And I voted against Barack Obama's
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  plan to use force, and it was the right decision.
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  Dr. Carson, I want to ask you a question. Dr.
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  Carson. You've said you've had more 2 a .m. phone
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  calls than anybody up on this stage. But when
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  those 2 a .m. phone calls came, you operated
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  on a foundation of all of that amazing medical
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  work that you did, all of that learning. So if
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  you were to be president, though, you wouldn't
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  have the political foundation that hones those
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  instincts when the 2 a .m. phone call comes.
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  So isn't that a liability? No, it isn't. First
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  of all, let me go back to your first question
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  for me. It wasn't phrased as who gets to nominate
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  Supreme Court appointees. Of course, that's the
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  president. So I know that there's some left -wing
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  media who would try to make hay on that. Secondly,
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  thank you for including me in the debate. Two
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  questions already. This is great. Now, as far
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  as those 2 a .m. phone calls are concerned, judgment
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  is what is required. The kinds of things that
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  you come up with are sometimes very, very difficult
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  and very unique. One of the things that I was
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  known for is doing things that have not been
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  done before. So no amount of experience really
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  prepares you to do something that has never been
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  done before. That's where judgment comes in.
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  And that, I think, is a situation that we're
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  in right now, a situation that we have never
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  been in before with the kinds of threats that
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  pose real danger to our nation. And it comes
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  in very handy in those situations. Governor Kasich,
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  Russia is being credited with bombing U .S.-backed
• 21:04
  rebels on behalf of Assad in Aleppo in Syria.
• 21:07
  They've also moved into the Crimea, eastern Ukraine.
• 21:12
  You said you want to punch him in the nose. What
• 21:14
  does that mean? What are you going to do? John,
• 21:16
  first of all, yes, first of all, look, we have
• 21:18
  to make it clear to Russia what we expect. We
• 21:20
  don't have to declare an enemy or rattle a sword
• 21:23
  or threaten, but we need to make it clear what
• 21:25
  we expect. Number one is we will arm the folks
• 21:29
  in Ukraine who are fighting for their freedom.
• 21:31
  They deserve it. There'll be no ifs, ands, or
• 21:33
  buts about it. Secondly, an attack on NATO trumped
• 21:36
  up on any excuse of Russian -speaking people,
• 21:39
  either in the NATO countries or in Finland or
• 21:41
  Sweden. is going to be an attack on us. And look,
• 21:44
  I think we have an opportunity as America to
• 21:46
  put something really great together again. The
• 21:49
  Egyptians, the Saudis, the Jordanians, the Gulf
• 21:53
  states, they all know they're at risk. We don't
• 21:56
  want to look into Europe. We look at France.
• 21:58
  We look at Germany and the migrants. We look
• 22:00
  at Belgium. We look at Britain. Everybody now
• 22:02
  is being threatened by radical Islam. We have
• 22:05
  an opportunity to lead. The fact of the matter
• 22:07
  is the world is desperate for our leadership.
• 22:10
  Sometimes they may make a remark here or there
• 22:13
  that we don't like, but frankly, the world needs
• 22:15
  us. And we have an opportunity now to assemble
• 22:18
  a coalition of the civilized people, those who
• 22:21
  respect civilization, the rights of women, the
• 22:23
  rights to protest, to be able to reassert our
• 22:26
  leadership all across this globe again and make
• 22:29
  sure this century is going to be the best we've
• 22:32
  ever seen. Governor Bush. You said defeating
• 22:37
  ISIS requires defeating Assad, but wouldn't that
• 22:41
  also put us into conflict with Russia, a country
• 22:44
  that supports Assad? So doesn't that mean effectively
• 22:46
  Assad's there to stay? No, it doesn't, and that's
• 22:49
  the problem. The lack of leadership in this country
• 22:51
  by Barack Obama, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton,
• 22:54
  thinking that this is a policy that works, this
• 22:57
  policy of containment with ISIS, it's a complete...
• 23:00
  unmitigated disaster. And to allow Russia now
• 23:03
  to have influence in Syria makes it harder. But
• 23:05
  we need to destroy ISIS and dispose of Assad
• 23:08
  to create a stable Syria so that the four million
• 23:11
  refugees aren't a breeding ground for Islamic
• 23:13
  jihadists. This is the problem. Donald Trump
• 23:16
  brought up the fact that he would want to accommodate
• 23:18
  Russia. Russia is not taking out ISIS. They're
• 23:21
  attacking our team, the team that we've been
• 23:25
  training and the team that we've been supporting.
• 23:27
  It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that Russia
• 23:30
  could be a positive partner in this. They are
• 23:32
  on the run. They are making every time we step
• 23:35
  back, they're on the run. The question that you
• 23:37
  asked was a really good one about what you would
• 23:39
  do, what three things would you do. I would restore...
• 23:42
  the military, the sequester needs to be reversed.
• 23:45
  I would have a strategy to destroy ISIS and I
• 23:48
  would immediately create a policy of containment
• 23:50
  as it relates to Iran's ambitions and to make
• 23:54
  it make clear that we are not going to allow
• 23:56
  for Iran to do what it's doing, which is to move
• 24:00
  towards a nuclear weapon. Those three things
• 24:02
  would be the first and foremost things that we
• 24:03
  need to do in 2017. Mr. Trump, you were mentioned
• 24:11
  here. You did say you could get along very well
• 24:13
  with Vladimir Putin. You did at one point say,
• 24:15
  let Russia take care of ISIS. I'll be a genius.
• 24:17
  I like him so far, I have to tell you. Let me
• 24:19
  just tell you this. Jeb is so wrong. Jeb is absolutely
• 24:23
  so wrong. Just so you understand, you know what
• 24:28
  that is? That's Jeb's special interest in lobbyists
• 24:31
  talking. Look, let me just tell you something.
• 24:34
  Jeb is so wrong. You've got to fight ISIS first.
• 24:40
  You fight ISIS first. Right now, you have Russia,
• 24:43
  you have Iran, you have them with Assad, and
• 24:45
  you have them with Syria. You have to knock out
• 24:47
  ISIS. They're chopping off heads. These are animals.
• 24:50
  You have to knock them out. You have to knock
• 24:52
  them off strong. You decide what to do after.
• 24:54
  You can't fight two wars at one time. If you
• 24:57
  listen to him and you listen to some of the folks
• 24:59
  that I have been listening to, that's why we
• 25:01
  have been in the Middle East for 15 years, and
• 25:03
  we haven't won anything. We have spent $5 trillion
• 25:06
  in the Middle East because of thinking like that.
• 25:10
  We've spent five. And Lindsey Graham, Lindsey
• 25:13
  Graham, who backs him, who had zero on his polls.
• 25:15
  Let me just tell you something. We've spent.
• 25:18
  We've spent. We've spent. I only tell the truth,
• 25:25
  lobbyists. We've spent $5 trillion all over the...
• 25:28
  We have to rebuild our country. We have to rebuild
• 25:31
  our infrastructure. You listen to that, you're
• 25:33
  going to be there for another 15. All right,
• 25:35
  Governor Bush, please respond. So the very basic
• 25:38
  fact is that Vladimir Putin is not going to be
• 25:40
  an ally of the United States. The whole world
• 25:41
  knows this. It's a simple, basic fact. They're
• 25:44
  not taking out... They're not even attempting
• 25:47
  to take out ISIS. They're attacking... the troops
• 25:51
  that we're supporting. We need to create a coalition,
• 25:53
  Sunni -led coalition, on the ground with our
• 25:55
  special operators to destroy ISIS and bring about
• 25:57
  stability. And you can't do that with Assad in
• 26:00
  power. We're supporting troops that we don't
• 26:02
  even know who they are. We're supporting troops
• 26:04
  that we don't even know who they are. We have
• 26:08
  no idea who they are. Gentlemen, I think we're
• 26:10
  going to leave that there. I've got a question
• 26:12
  for the senator. This is from a guy who gets
• 26:13
  his foreign policy from the shows. This is a
• 26:15
  guy who, thanks to Hillary Clinton, was a great
• 26:17
  negotiator in Iran. We're living in dangerous
• 26:20
  times. This is a man who insults his way to the
• 26:24
  nomination. All right. All right. Gentlemen,
• 26:28
  gentlemen, let's leave it there so I can ask
• 26:29
  a question of Senator Cruz, who's also running
• 26:31
  for president. Senator Cruz, you've talked about
• 26:36
  the first the first Gulf War as being a kind
• 26:38
  of model for your focused and determined effort
• 26:40
  to go after after ISIS. But there were 700000
• 26:44
  ground troops as a part of that. So and you don't
• 26:46
  have a ground component to your plan. Why? Well,
• 26:50
  we need to focus on what the objective is. You
• 26:52
  know, your question about the first three questions
• 26:54
  you would ask in the situation room, I think
• 26:58
  it is a problem if the president and commander
• 27:01
  -in -chief we've elected does not have the experience
• 27:03
  and background to understand the threats facing
• 27:06
  this country coming in on day one. If you look
• 27:08
  at the threats facing this country, the single
• 27:10
  gravest threat... National security threat is
• 27:14
  the threat of a nuclear Iran. That's why I pledged
• 27:16
  on day one to rip to shreds this Iranian nuclear
• 27:19
  deal. And anyone that thinks you can negotiate
• 27:22
  with Khamenei does not understand the nature
• 27:25
  of Khamenei. When it comes to ISIS, we've got
• 27:28
  to have a focused objective. One of the problems
• 27:31
  of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton's foreign
• 27:33
  policy, and sadly, too many establishment Republicans
• 27:36
  in Washington, is they focus on issues unrelated
• 27:39
  to protecting this country. They focus on nation
• 27:41
  building. They focus on toppling governments
• 27:44
  to promote democracy. And it ends up undermining
• 27:47
  our national security. Now, with regard to ISIS,
• 27:49
  we need a commander in chief that sets the objective.
• 27:52
  We will utterly defeat them because they have
• 27:54
  declared war. They've declared jihad on us. Now,
• 27:57
  what do we need to carry that out? We need overwhelming
• 27:59
  air power. We need to arm the Kurds who can be
• 28:03
  our boots on the ground. And if ground troops
• 28:05
  are necessary, then we should employ them. But
• 28:08
  it shouldn't be politicians demonstrating political
• 28:10
  toughness. It should be military expert judgment
• 28:13
  carrying out the objective set out by the commander
• 28:16
  in chief. Just very quickly, 30 second follow
• 28:23
  up. You've said that essentially the Kurds would
• 28:25
  be the American ground forces in there. The criticism
• 28:29
  that experts have on that is that the Kurds.
• 28:31
  only can work within their territory if they
• 28:33
  take larger amounts of territory you have an
• 28:35
  ethnic war with the arabs so the the kurds can't
• 28:37
  really do as much as you seem to be putting on
• 28:40
  on their backs we have kurds in both iraq and
• 28:43
  syria they are fighting isis right now they are
• 28:45
  winning victories right now isis is using american
• 28:48
  military equipment they've seized in iraq And
• 28:51
  the Obama administration refuses to arm the Kurds,
• 28:54
  the Peshmerga, the fighting forces who've been
• 28:55
  longtime allies. We ought to be arming them and
• 28:58
  letting them fight. Now, if we need to embed
• 29:00
  special forces to direct our overwhelming air
• 29:02
  power, if it is required to use ground troops
• 29:05
  to defeat ISIS, we should use them, but we ought
• 29:08
  to start with using our incredible air power
• 29:11
  advantage. The first Persian Gulf War, we launched
• 29:14
  1 ,100 air attacks a day. Today, we're launching
• 29:17
  between 15 and 30. We're not using the tools
• 29:19
  we have, and it's because the commander -in -chief
• 29:22
  is not focused on defeating the enemy. All right,
• 29:24
  Mr. Trump. On Monday, George W. Bush will campaign
• 29:32
  in South Carolina for his brother. As you've
• 29:34
  said tonight, and you've often said, the Iraq
• 29:36
  war and your opposition to it was a sign of your
• 29:38
  good judgment. In 2008, in an interview with
• 29:41
  Wolf Blitzer talking about President George W.
• 29:43
  Bush's conduct of the war, you said you were
• 29:45
  surprised that Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi
• 29:47
  didn't try to impeach him. You said, quote, which
• 29:50
  personally I think would have been a wonderful
• 29:51
  thing, close quote. When you were asked what
• 29:54
  you meant by that, you said, for the war, for
• 29:57
  the war. He lied. He got us into the war with
• 29:59
  lies. Do you still believe President Bush should
• 30:02
  have been impeached? First of all, I have to
• 30:03
  say, as a businessman, I get along with everybody.
• 30:06
  I have business all over the world. I know so
• 30:12
  many of the people in the audience. And by the
• 30:14
  way, I'm a self -funder. I don't have. I have
• 30:16
  my wife and I have my son. That's all I have.
• 30:19
  i don't have this so let me just tell you i get
• 30:24
  along with everybody which is my obligation to
• 30:26
  my company to myself etc obviously the war in
• 30:30
  iraq was a big fat mistake all right now you
• 30:34
  can take it any way you want and it took just
• 30:36
  it took jeb bush if you remember at the beginning
• 30:39
  of his announcement when he announced the president
• 30:41
  took him five days he went back it was a mistake
• 30:44
  it wasn't a mistake took him five days before
• 30:47
  his people told him what to say and he ultimately
• 30:50
  said it was a mistake the war in iraq we spent
• 30:53
  two trillion dollars thousands of lives we don't
• 30:56
  even have it iran is taking over iraq with the
• 30:59
  second largest oil reserves in the world obviously
• 31:01
  it was a mistake so George Bush made a mistake.
• 31:05
  We can make mistakes, but that one was a beauty.
• 31:07
  We should have never been in Iraq. We have destabilized
• 31:11
  the Middle East. So you still think he should
• 31:14
  be impeached? I think it's my turn, isn't it?
• 31:16
  You do whatever you want. You call it whatever
• 31:18
  you want. I want to tell you, they lied. They
• 31:20
  said there were weapons of mass destruction.
• 31:22
  There were none, and they knew there were none.
• 31:24
  There were no weapons of mass destruction. When
• 31:31
  a member on the stage's brother gets attacked,
• 31:33
  your brother gets to respond. Do I get to do
• 31:35
  it five or six times or just once responding
• 31:37
  to that? So here's the deal. I'm sick and tired
• 31:41
  of Barack Obama blaming my brother for all of
• 31:44
  the problems that he's had. And frankly, I could
• 31:49
  care less about the insults that Donald Trump
• 31:52
  gives to me. It's blood sport for him. He enjoys
• 31:55
  it, and I'm glad he's happy about it. But I am
• 31:57
  sick and tired of him. going after my family.
• 32:01
  My dad is the greatest man alive in my mind.
• 32:05
  While Donald Trump was building a reality TV
• 32:10
  show, my brother was building a security apparatus
• 32:13
  to keep us safe. And I'm proud of what he did.
• 32:19
  And he's had the gall to go after my mother.
• 32:21
  The World Trade Center came down during your
• 32:22
  brother's reign. He's had the gall to go after
• 32:23
  my mother. Remember that. Hold on. Let me finish
• 32:25
  this. He's had the gall to go after my mother.
• 32:28
  Look, I won the lottery when I was born 63 years
• 32:32
  ago, looked up and I saw my mom. My mom is the
• 32:34
  strongest woman I know. This is not about my
• 32:37
  family or his family. This is about the South
• 32:39
  Carolina families that need someone to be a commander
• 32:42
  -in -chief that can lead. And I'm that person.
• 32:44
  Governor Kasich, would you weigh in? Governor
• 32:50
  Kasich, please weigh in. I gotta tell you, this
• 32:53
  is just crazy, huh? This is just nuts, okay?
• 32:58
  Jeez, oh man. I'm sorry, John. Wait, why is it
• 33:03
  not? Talk about it. Give us your sense of...
• 33:05
  Oh, well, listen, I think being in Iraq, look,
• 33:08
  we thought there were weapons of mass destruction.
• 33:10
  Colin Powell, who's one of the most distinguished
• 33:12
  generals in modern time, said there were weapons
• 33:14
  there. But, but, the fact is we got ourselves
• 33:18
  in the middle of a civil war. The Sunni, the
• 33:21
  Shia, and the Kurds never gotten along. In fact,
• 33:24
  that country was drawn, the borders of that country
• 33:27
  were drawn after World War I. by westerners that
• 33:30
  didn't understand what was happening there the
• 33:32
  tragedy of it is that we're still embroiled and
• 33:36
  frankly if there weren't map weapons of mass
• 33:38
  destruction we should never have gone i don't
• 33:40
  believe that the united states should involve
• 33:42
  itself in civil wars civil wars are not in our
• 33:45
  direct interests and if you and look i served
• 33:47
  on the defense committee for 18 years and was
• 33:50
  called into the pentagon after 9 11 by secretary
• 33:53
  rumsfeld to deal with some of the most serious
• 33:55
  problems that we face the fact is is that we
• 33:58
  should go to war when it is our direct interest
• 34:01
  we should not be policemen of the war of the
• 34:03
  world but when we go we mean business we'll do
• 34:05
  our job we'll tell our soldiers our people in
• 34:08
  the service take care of your job and then come
• 34:10
  home once we've accomplished our goals that's
• 34:12
  what we need to do 30 seconds i just want to
• 34:17
  say at least on behalf of me and my family i
• 34:19
  thank god all the time that it was george w bush
• 34:22
  in the white house on 9 11 and not al gore I
• 34:34
  think you can look back in hindsight and say
• 34:36
  a couple things, but he kept us safe. And not
• 34:38
  only did he keep us safe, but no matter what
• 34:41
  you want to say about weapons of mass destruction,
• 34:43
  Saddam Hussein was in violation of UN resolutions,
• 34:45
  an open violation, and the world wouldn't do
• 34:47
  anything about it. And George W. Bush, enforced
• 34:49
  with the international community, refused to
• 34:51
  do. And again, he kept us safe, and I am forever
• 34:54
  grateful to what he did for this country. How
• 34:55
  did he keep us safe when the World Trade Center
• 34:57
  came down? I lost hundreds of friends. The World
• 35:05
  Trade Center came down. during the rain he kept
• 35:09
  us safe that's not safe that is not safe all
• 35:12
  right that is not safe the world trade center
• 35:15
  came down because bill clinton didn't kill osama
• 35:18
  bin laden when he had the chance to kill him
• 35:20
  and george bush by the way george bush had the
• 35:26
  chance also and he didn't listen to the advice
• 35:29
  of his cia all right dr carson we have a And
• 35:33
  I just have a cleansing. I'm not going to invite
• 35:35
  Donald Trump to the rally in Charleston on Monday
• 35:37
  afternoon. I don't want to go. I'm resending
• 35:41
  the invitation. I thought you might want to come,
• 35:43
  but I guess not. All right. Well, Dr. Carson,
• 35:45
  I've got a question now for you. A moment of
• 35:47
  pause here. You've said, Dr. Carson, that referring
• 35:51
  to yourself, that people bought into the idea
• 35:54
  that, quote, a nice person can't be tough on
• 35:57
  terrorists. You've called for loosening the rules
• 35:59
  of engagement for the military. which could lead
• 36:02
  to more civilian casualties. So explain why those
• 36:05
  casualties would be acceptable in the fight against
• 36:08
  ISIS. Well, first of all, let me just address
• 36:11
  the Iraq question. I was not particularly in
• 36:15
  favor of us going to war in Iraq, primarily because
• 36:20
  I've studied the Middle East, recognizing that
• 36:24
  those are nations that are ruled by dictators
• 36:28
  and have been for thousands of years. And when
• 36:31
  you go in and you remove one of those dictators,
• 36:34
  unless you have an appropriate plan for replacing
• 36:37
  them, you're going to have chaos. Now fortunately,
• 36:41
  we were able to stabilize the situation, and
• 36:44
  it was the current administration that turned
• 36:46
  tail and ran and destabilized the situation.
• 36:49
  Now, having said that, in terms of the rules
• 36:55
  of engagement, I was talking about, you know,
• 36:57
  Obama has said We shouldn't bomb tankers coming
• 37:01
  out of refineries because there may be people
• 37:03
  in there or because the environment may be hurt.
• 37:06
  That's just asinine thinking. And the fact of
• 37:08
  the matter is, obviously you're not going to
• 37:14
  accomplish all of your goals without some collateral
• 37:17
  damage. You have to be able to assess what is
• 37:20
  acceptable and what is not. All right. Thank
• 37:22
  you, Dr. Carson. We're going to have to take
• 37:23
  a commercial break here. Thank you to all the
• 37:25
  candidates. We'll be right back with CBS News'
• 37:27
  2016 debate in Greenville, South Carolina. Miranda,
• 37:33
  it's one of the worst deals I've ever seen negotiated
• 37:35
  in my entire life. It's a disgrace. The Constitution
• 37:38
  is not a living and breathing document. It is
• 37:41
  to be interpreted as originally meant. We need
• 37:43
  to destroy ISIS and dispose of Assad. We're back
• 37:56
  with the Republicans who would be president.
• 37:58
  The topic now is money and how the candidates
• 38:00
  would spend it. I'll turn the questioning over
• 38:03
  to Kimberly Strassel of the Wall Street Journal
• 38:04
  and Major Garrett of CBS News. Kim? Mr. Trump,
• 38:08
  you have made a lot of promises and you have
• 38:14
  also, you're the only candidate who has said
• 38:17
  he would not touch entitlements. The Committee
• 38:20
  for a Responsible Federal Budget has estimated
• 38:23
  that your ideas would cost an additional $12
• 38:26
  to $15 trillion over the next 10 years and that
• 38:30
  we would have to have... annual economic growth
• 38:32
  of anywhere from 7 .7 % to 9 % annually to pay
• 38:37
  for them. Are you proposing more than you can
• 38:40
  actually deliver, at least not without big deficits?
• 38:43
  First of all, when you say I'm the only candidate,
• 38:46
  if you listen to the Democrats, they want to
• 38:48
  do many things to Social Security. And I want
• 38:52
  to do them on its own merit. If you listen to
• 38:54
  them, what they want to do to Social Security,
• 38:56
  none of these folks are getting elected. okay
• 38:58
  whether they can do it or not i'm going to save
• 39:00
  social security i'm going to bring jobs back
• 39:03
  from china i'm going to bring jobs back from
• 39:05
  mexico and from japan where they're all every
• 39:08
  country throughout the world now vietnam that's
• 39:10
  the new one they are taking our jobs they're
• 39:13
  taking our wealth they're taking our base And
• 39:15
  you and I have had this discussion. We're going
• 39:17
  to make our economy strong again. I'm lowering
• 39:19
  taxes. We have $2 .5 trillion offshore. We have
• 39:22
  $2 .5 trillion that I think is actually $5 trillion
• 39:25
  because the government has no idea when they
• 39:27
  say $2 .5 trillion. They have no idea what they're
• 39:29
  doing or saying, as they've proven very well.
• 39:32
  We're going to bring that money back. You take
• 39:33
  a look at what happened just this week. China
• 39:36
  bought the Chicago Stock Exchange. China, a Chinese
• 39:40
  company. Carrier is moving. to Mexico air conditioning
• 39:44
  company not only the ones I talk about all the
• 39:47
  time Nabisco and Ford and they're all moving
• 39:49
  out we have an economy that last quarter GDP
• 39:53
  didn't grow it was flat we have to make our economy
• 39:57
  grow again we're dying this country is dying
• 40:00
  and our workers are losing their jobs and you're
• 40:03
  going to lose yourself i'm the only one going
• 40:05
  to save social security believe me okay but how
• 40:07
  would you actually do that can i ask you because
• 40:09
  right now social security tremendous waste i'll
• 40:12
  tell you they take up two -thirds of the budget
• 40:14
  waste fraud and abuse that we're taking care
• 40:18
  of that we're taking care of it's tremendous
• 40:20
  we have in social security right now thousands
• 40:24
  and thousands of people that are over 106 years
• 40:28
  old. Now you know they don't exist. They don't
• 40:30
  exist. There's tremendous waste, fraud, and abuse,
• 40:34
  and we're going to get it. But we're not going
• 40:35
  to hurt the people who've been paying into Social
• 40:38
  Security their whole life, and then all of a
• 40:39
  sudden they're supposed to get less. We're bringing
• 40:41
  our jobs back. We're going to make our economy
• 40:44
  great again. Senator Cruz. John mentioned this
• 40:50
  is about dollars and cents. We also want to talk
• 40:52
  about economic growth and wage growth. You have
• 40:54
  proposed a consumption tax. You call it a flat
• 40:56
  tax. Some analysts compare it more akin to a
• 40:59
  value -added tax. From a perspective of economic
• 41:01
  growth and building wages, how does that work,
• 41:03
  and how would you address the longstanding conservative
• 41:06
  concern that something approaching a value -added
• 41:09
  tax will be used to constantly increase those
• 41:12
  rates to pay for future government spending and
• 41:14
  become an escalator of taxation, not of growth?
• 41:17
  Well, let me say at the outset that, Everyone
• 41:19
  here understands, everyone understands at home,
• 41:22
  that the middle class has been left behind in
• 41:24
  the last seven years of the Obama economy. And
• 41:27
  we've got to bring jobs back. We've got to get
• 41:29
  people back to work. We've got to get wages going
• 41:32
  up again. We've got to get people moving from
• 41:34
  part -time work to full -time work. We all agree
• 41:37
  on that, but it's not going to be solved with
• 41:39
  magic pixie dust. It's not just going to be solved
• 41:41
  by declaring into the air, let there be jobs.
• 41:45
  We actually have to understand the principles
• 41:47
  that made America great in the first place. Now,
• 41:50
  where do you get economic growth if you look
• 41:52
  at cause and effect over our nation's history?
• 41:55
  Every time we lessen the burden of Washington
• 41:57
  on small business owners, on job creators, we
• 42:00
  see incredible economic growth. You do that through
• 42:03
  tax reform and regulatory reform. My tax plan,
• 42:06
  typical family of four, first $36 ,000 you earn,
• 42:10
  you pay nothing in taxes. No income taxes, no
• 42:13
  payroll taxes, no nothing. Above 10%, everyone
• 42:16
  pays the same simple flat 10 % income rate. It's
• 42:20
  flat and fair. You can fill out your taxes on
• 42:23
  a postcard, and we abolish the IRS. And if you
• 42:26
  want to see the postcard, I've got it on my website.
• 42:29
  Right, but to the question, because conservatives
• 42:32
  have flirted with this idea conceptually for
• 42:34
  a long time. But especially on this consumption
• 42:37
  value -added tax system in Europe, where it exists,
• 42:40
  it has become an escalator of taxation to feed
• 42:42
  government spending. And that's why conservatives
• 42:45
  have long resisted it. Why? And what would you
• 42:48
  do as president to make sure that doesn't happen?
• 42:50
  So, Major, the business flat tax that is in my
• 42:52
  tax plan is not a VAT. A VAT in Europe is a sales
• 42:57
  tax. The business flat tax is not a sales tax.
• 42:59
  It is a tax of 16 % opposed fairly and evenly
• 43:03
  across the board on all businesses. And one of
• 43:06
  the things that's critical is we're doing that
• 43:09
  in conjunction with abolishing the corporate
• 43:11
  income tax, with abolishing the Obamacare taxes,
• 43:14
  with abolishing the payroll taxes, which are
• 43:17
  the biggest taxes paid by most working Americans,
• 43:19
  and with abolishing the death tax, which is cruel
• 43:22
  and unfair. And you asked about economic growth.
• 43:25
  The Nonpartisan Tax Foundation estimated that
• 43:28
  the Cruz simple flat tax would produce 4 .9 million
• 43:31
  new jobs, would increase capital investment by
• 43:34
  44%, and would lift everyone's incomes by double
• 43:38
  digits. That's how you turn the country around,
• 43:40
  not just hoping and praying for it, but implementing
• 43:44
  policies that work. Okay, I have a question,
• 43:47
  a related tax question for Senator Rubio. Senator
• 43:51
  Rubio, you have the highest tax rate of anyone
• 43:54
  up on the stage in terms of the top tax rate,
• 43:56
  35%, which some economists say would limit its
• 43:59
  potential to boost economic growth. You do that
• 44:03
  so that you will have more revenue to pay for
• 44:05
  a tripling of the child tax credit. Normally,
• 44:08
  it's liberals who like to use the tax code to
• 44:11
  influence social policy. Why should conservatives
• 44:15
  want a tax plan that adopts the other side's
• 44:17
  approach? Well, because I'm not influencing social
• 44:18
  policy. This is their money. This is the money
• 44:21
  of parents. You don't earn the tax credit unless
• 44:23
  you're working. That's your money. It doesn't
• 44:24
  belong to the government. And here's what I don't
• 44:26
  understand. If a business takes their money and
• 44:28
  they invest it in a piece of equipment, they
• 44:30
  get to write it off their taxes. But if a parent
• 44:33
  takes money that they have earned through work
• 44:35
  and invests it in their children, they don't?
• 44:37
  This makes no sense. Parenting is the most important
• 44:40
  job any of us will ever have. Family formation
• 44:42
  is the most important institution in society.
• 44:46
  My tax plan does is it does create, especially
• 44:49
  for working families, an additional child tax
• 44:51
  credit so that parents who are working get to
• 44:54
  keep more of their own money, not the government's
• 44:56
  money. to invest in their children, to go to
• 44:58
  school, to go to a private school, to buy a new
• 45:00
  backpack. Because let me tell you, if you're
• 45:02
  a parent that's struggling, you know that $50
• 45:04
  a month is a difference between a new pair of
• 45:06
  shoes this month or not getting a new pair of
• 45:08
  shoes for your kids. I'm going to have a tax
• 45:10
  plan that is pro -family because the family is
• 45:12
  the most important institution in society. You
• 45:14
  cannot have a strong country without strong families.
• 45:22
  Governor Kasich, this goes to the sides of government.
• 45:29
  In 2013, you pushed through a Medicaid reform
• 45:32
  in your state over the objections of many of
• 45:34
  the Republicans in your state. Total enrollment
• 45:37
  and overall costs of that program have gone well
• 45:40
  beyond what anyone had expected, including yourself.
• 45:43
  How can you argue that this overall growth fits
• 45:46
  in with conservative ambitions to significantly
• 45:49
  cut back on the size of federal welfare programs?
• 45:52
  Well, first of all, those numbers are incorrect.
• 45:53
  Our Medicaid programs are coming in below cost
• 45:57
  estimates, and our Medicaid program in the second
• 45:59
  year grew at 2 .5%. And, Kimberly, let me tell
• 46:03
  you, when we expand Medicaid and we treat the
• 46:05
  mentally ill, then they don't live under a bridge
• 46:08
  or live in a prison, where they cost $22 ,500
• 46:11
  a year. When we take the drug addicted and we
• 46:14
  treat them in the prisons, we stop the revolving
• 46:17
  door of people in and out of prisons, and we
• 46:19
  save $22 ,500 a year. Guess what else? They get
• 46:24
  their lives back. And the working poor, they're
• 46:27
  now getting health care. And you know that about
• 46:28
  a third of the people who are now getting that
• 46:31
  health care are people who are suffering very
• 46:34
  serious illnesses, particularly cancer. So what
• 46:37
  I would tell you is we've gone from an $8 billion
• 46:39
  hole to a $2 billion surplus. We've cut taxes
• 46:43
  by more than any governor in America by $5 billion.
• 46:46
  We have grown the number of jobs by 400 ,000
• 46:50
  private sector jobs since I've been governor.
• 46:52
  Our credit is strong, our pensions are strong,
• 46:55
  and frankly, we leave no one behind. Economic
• 46:58
  growth is not an end unto itself. We want everyone
• 47:01
  to rise, and we will make them personally responsible
• 47:04
  for the help that they get. And that is exactly
• 47:07
  the program we're driving in Ohio. And boy, people
• 47:09
  ought to look at Ohio because it's got the good
• 47:11
  formula. Governor Bush, I've got a question for
• 47:13
  you, but you want to jump in. Can I jump in and
• 47:17
  then I've got a question for you? Look, I admire
• 47:18
  the fact that Governor Kasich is supporting spending
• 47:20
  more money on drug treatment and mental health.
• 47:22
  I think that's a high priority all across this
• 47:24
  country. But expanding Obamacare is what we're
• 47:27
  talking about. And Obamacare's expansion, even
• 47:30
  though the federal government is paying for the
• 47:32
  great majority of it, is creating further debt.
• 47:35
  on the backs of our children and grandchildren.
• 47:37
  We should be fighting Obamacare, repealing Obamacare,
• 47:40
  replacing it with something totally different.
• 47:42
  When I was as a private citizen, Florida was
• 47:45
  confronted with this choice. The governor was
• 47:47
  supportive of doing what John did. So was the
• 47:50
  Florida Senate. Committed Speaker of the House
• 47:53
  asked me to go as a private citizen to make the
• 47:56
  case against the expansion. I did. And it wasn't
• 47:59
  expanded there, just as it wasn't expanded in
• 48:01
  South Carolina under Governor Hunter. Real quickly,
• 48:03
  jump in. I've got a question. First of all, when
• 48:06
  Jeb was governor, his first four years as governor,
• 48:10
  his Medicaid program. grew twice as fast as mine
• 48:14
  okay it's just a fact now with obamacare i've
• 48:17
  not only sued the administration i did not set
• 48:19
  up an exchange and he knows that i'm not for
• 48:22
  obamacare never have been but here's interesting
• 48:24
  about medicaid you know who expanded medicaid
• 48:26
  five times to try to help the folks and give
• 48:29
  them opportunities so they could rise and get
• 48:31
  a job president ronald reagan now the fact of
• 48:35
  the matter is we expanded to get people on their
• 48:37
  feet and once they're on their feet we are We
• 48:40
  are giving them the training and the efforts
• 48:42
  that they need to be able to get work and pull
• 48:45
  out of that situation. That's what we're doing
• 48:47
  in our state. South Carolinians need to know
• 48:49
  this because the Cato Institute, which grades
• 48:51
  governors based on their spending, rank him right
• 48:55
  at the bottom. Governor Bush, fine. Governor
• 48:57
  Haley's ranked at the top. Let me get a question
• 48:59
  for you. No, but you mentioned my name. I understand.
• 49:00
  Let me finish this. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on,
• 49:02
  Major. Hold on, Major. South Carolinians want
• 49:05
  to make sure that they elect the most conservative
• 49:06
  governor or candidate that can win. Let me just
• 49:11
  tell you. Major. Major. We can't. Look, I've
• 49:14
  got to correct the record. And the fact of the
• 49:17
  matter is, we went from an $8 billion hole to
• 49:20
  a $2 billion surplus. We're up 400 ,000 jobs.
• 49:23
  Our credit is rock solid. And I don't know. Look,
• 49:26
  the bottom line is, the people of this country
• 49:29
  and this state. want to see everybody rise and
• 49:32
  they want to see unity and i don't want to get
• 49:34
  into all this fighting tonight because people
• 49:36
  are frank sick of the negative campaigning and
• 49:39
  i'm going to stay positive about what i want
• 49:41
  to do from the perspective of economic growth
• 49:43
  viewed from this perspective of economic growth
• 49:46
  you have proposed a tax on hedge fund managers
• 49:50
  the americans for tax reform a conservative tax
• 49:52
  group you're probably aware of has said no republican
• 49:55
  should be for higher taxes on capital gains And
• 49:59
  many conservatives wonder if this proposal of
• 50:01
  yours would undermine not only that philosophy,
• 50:03
  but undercut your projection of 4 % economic
• 50:06
  growth annually under your presidency. Of course
• 50:08
  not. It won't have an impact on hedge fund managers
• 50:11
  paying ordinary income. In fact, it's not just
• 50:15
  hedge fund people, but people that are doing,
• 50:17
  they're in the business of investing other people's
• 50:19
  money. Getting capital gains treatment is not
• 50:22
  appropriate. They should be paying ordinary income.
• 50:25
  That's their business. They're grateful to be
• 50:26
  able to make a lot of money, I'm sure. And what
• 50:29
  we do is lower the rates. It's not the end of
• 50:32
  the world that private equity people and hedge
• 50:34
  fund folks that are right now getting capital
• 50:36
  gains treatment for the income they earn pay
• 50:38
  ordinary income like everybody else in this room.
• 50:41
  That's not a problem at all. What we need to
• 50:42
  do is to reform the tax code to simplify the
• 50:45
  rates to shift power away from Washington, D
• 50:48
  .C. That's what I did as governor of the state
• 50:49
  of Florida, $19 billion of tax cuts, and it stimulated
• 50:53
  seven out of the eight years Florida led the
• 50:55
  nation in job growth. Very good. Dr. Carson,
• 50:59
  before we go to break, could you give us your
• 51:03
  sense of this conversation about either Medicaid
• 51:05
  or economic growth through taxation? Well, first
• 51:08
  of all, let me just mention on the tax issue.
• 51:10
  Ben Carson dot com go read about it because my
• 51:14
  tax plan has been praised by Cato by Wall Street
• 51:19
  Journal Forbes said it is the best the most pro
• 51:21
  -growth tax plan and it's based on real fairness
• 51:25
  for everybody starts at the 150 percent poverty
• 51:30
  level But even the people below that have to
• 51:33
  pay something because everybody has to have skin
• 51:35
  in the game. Millions of people can't talk about
• 51:39
  what other people have to pay and have no skin
• 51:40
  in the game. And it deals with the corporate
• 51:44
  tax rate. It makes it the same as everybody else.
• 51:46
  Everybody plays exactly the same. And as far
• 51:49
  as Medicare and Medicaid, my main goal is to
• 51:52
  get rid of Obamacare and put the care back in
• 51:55
  the hands of patients. Dr. Carson, I'm sorry.
• 51:57
  We have to go to a commercial. The free market
• 51:59
  wants what it wants. Back soon to the 2016 Republican
• 52:03
  debate in Greenville, South Carolina. We're supporting
• 52:16
  that we don't even know who they are. This is
• 52:19
  a man who insults his way to the nomination.
• 52:21
  I thank God all the time that it was George W.
• 52:24
  Bush in the White House on 9 -11 and not Al Gore.
• 52:26
  The World Trade Center came down during the rain.
• 52:32
  So you still think he should be impeached? I
• 52:33
  think it's my turn. You do whatever you want.
• 52:35
  They lied. They said there were weapons of mass
• 52:38
  destruction. There were none, and they knew there
• 52:40
  were none. I am sick and tired of him going after
• 52:43
  my family. Live from the Peace Center in Greenville,
• 52:55
  South Carolina, CBS News brings you the Republican
• 52:58
  presidential debate. Here again, John Dickerson.
• 53:02
  Welcome back. We'll begin the second half of
• 53:04
  the debate with one of the hottest issues in
• 53:06
  the Republican campaign, immigration. But before
• 53:09
  I turn it back to Major Garrett and Kim Strassel,
• 53:11
  I have one question for Mr. Trump. Mr. Trump,
• 53:14
  in the Republican National Committee's Spanish
• 53:16
  -language response to the State of the Union,
• 53:18
  Congressman Diaz -Balart said, quote, it's essential
• 53:21
  that we find a legislative solution, talking
• 53:24
  about immigration, to offer a permanent and humane
• 53:27
  solution to those who live in the shadows. What
• 53:30
  does that mean to you, a humane solution to those
• 53:33
  who live in the shadows? I want everybody taken
• 53:36
  care of, but we have to take care of our people
• 53:38
  in this country. We're not taking care of our
• 53:40
  people. We have no border. We have no control.
• 53:44
  People are flooding across. We can't have it.
• 53:47
  We either have a border, and I'm very strongly,
• 53:50
  I'm not proposing, I will build a wall. I will
• 53:53
  build a wall. Remember this. The wall will be
• 53:55
  paid for by Mexico. We are not being treated
• 53:58
  right. We are not being treated properly. If
• 54:03
  we don't have borders, if we don't have strength,
• 54:05
  we don't have a country. People are flowing across.
• 54:08
  We have to take care of our people. Believe me.
• 54:12
  Senator Rubio. For the purposes of the lines
• 54:16
  you would draw legislatively as a president on
• 54:19
  immigration reform, define amnesty. Well, first
• 54:22
  of all, I think amnesty is the forgiveness of
• 54:24
  a wrongdoing without consequence. And I've never
• 54:27
  supported that. I do not support that. I think
• 54:29
  there has to be consequences for violating our
• 54:31
  immigration laws. What I think is clear about
• 54:35
  this issue to begin with is we're not going to
• 54:37
  be able to make progress on illegal immigration
• 54:38
  until, first, illegal immigration is brought
• 54:41
  under control. Now, you go back to 1986 when
• 54:44
  they legalized 3 million people and they promised
• 54:46
  to secure the border. It didn't happen. And as
• 54:48
  a result, people have lost trust in the federal
• 54:50
  government. It is now clear that the only way
• 54:52
  to make progress on immigration is not just to
• 54:54
  pass a law. that enforces the law, but actually
• 54:57
  prove to people that it's working. They want
• 54:59
  to see the wall built. They want to see the additional
• 55:01
  border agents. They want to see E -Verify. They
• 55:03
  want to see an entry -exit tracking system. 40
• 55:05
  % of the people in this country illegally are
• 55:08
  entering legally and overstaying visas. And only
• 55:10
  after all of that is in place, then we'll see
• 55:13
  what the American people are willing to support
• 55:14
  on this issue. I think the American people will
• 55:16
  be very reasonable, but responsible, about how
• 55:19
  you handle someone who's been here a long time,
• 55:20
  who can pass a background check, who pays a fine
• 55:23
  and starts paying taxes, and all they want is...
• 55:25
  a work permit, but you can't do any of that until
• 55:27
  you prove to people that illegal immigration
• 55:29
  is under control once and for all. Senator Cruz,
• 55:40
  you have promised to deport illegal aliens. You've
• 55:44
  also promised to reverse President Obama's executive
• 55:46
  action that gives temporary amnesty to illegals
• 55:50
  that were brought here by their parents as children.
• 55:53
  As president, you would have the names and addresses
• 55:55
  of the some 800 ,000 of those that have registered
• 55:59
  under that action. Now, you have said that in
• 56:01
  this country, we shouldn't go door to door looking
• 56:03
  for illegals. But in this case, you'd have a
• 56:05
  list. Would you use it? Well, you know, your
• 56:08
  question highlights a sharp difference on immigration
• 56:11
  on this stage. You know, in a Republican primary,
• 56:15
  everyone talks tough on immigration. Everyone
• 56:17
  is against illegal immigration in a Republican
• 56:19
  primary. But as voters, we've been burned. over
• 56:23
  and over again by people that give us a great
• 56:25
  campaign speech and they don't walk the walk.
• 56:27
  There are sharp differences on amnesty. If you
• 56:32
  look at the folks on this stage, when Harry Reid
• 56:36
  and Chuck Schumer and establishment Republicans
• 56:40
  were leading the fight to pass a massive amnesty
• 56:43
  plan, I stood with Jeff Sessions and Steve King
• 56:48
  and the American people and led the fight to
• 56:50
  defeat that amnesty plan. So would you use...
• 56:56
  Now that moment was what Reagan would call a
• 57:01
  time for choosing. When it comes to deciding
• 57:04
  which side of the line you're on, the Rubio -Schumer
• 57:07
  amnesty plan, apparently supported by the donor
• 57:12
  class, which is why Washington supported it,
• 57:16
  the Rubio -Schumer amnesty plan passed the Senate.
• 57:20
  And it was on the verge of passing the House.
• 57:22
  House leadership intended to take it up and pass
• 57:25
  it with the Democrats overruling most of the
• 57:28
  Republicans. And the question for anyone on illegal
• 57:30
  immigration is where were you in that fight?
• 57:34
  Where did you stand? You are right. There is
• 57:36
  a difference between Senator Rubio and me on
• 57:38
  this question. We're going to have to do this
• 57:40
  again, okay? When that issue was being debated,
• 57:46
  Ted Cruz at a committee hearing very passionately
• 57:48
  said, I want immigration reform to pass. I want
• 57:50
  people to be able to come out of the shadows.
• 57:52
  And he proposed an amendment that would have
• 57:54
  legalized people here. Not only that, he proposed
• 57:56
  doubling the number of green cards. He proposed
• 57:59
  a 500 % increase on guest workers. Now his position
• 58:02
  is different. Now he is a passionate opponent
• 58:06
  of all those things. So he either wasn't telling
• 58:08
  the truth then or he isn't telling the truth
• 58:09
  now. But to argue he's a purist on immigration
• 58:12
  is just not true. Major, I get a response to
• 58:16
  that. All right, Senator Cruz. Your response,
• 58:19
  Senator Cruz. You know, the lines are very, very
• 58:21
  clear. Marco right now supports citizenship for
• 58:25
  12 million people here illegally. I oppose citizenship.
• 58:29
  Marco stood on the debate stage and said that.
• 58:32
  But I would note not only that. Marco has a long
• 58:34
  record when it comes to amnesty. In the state
• 58:36
  of Florida, Speaker of the House, he supported
• 58:38
  in -state tuition for illegal immigrants. In
• 58:42
  addition to that, Marco went on Univision in
• 58:45
  Spanish and said he would not rescind President
• 58:48
  Obama's illegal executive amnesty on his first
• 58:51
  day in office. I have promised to rescind every
• 58:54
  single illegal executive action, including that
• 58:57
  one. First of all, I don't know how he knows
• 59:05
  what I said on Univision because he doesn't speak
• 59:06
  Spanish. And second of all, the other point that
• 59:09
  I would make... Look, this is a disturbing pattern
• 59:16
  now. Because for a number of weeks now, Ted Cruz
• 59:18
  has just been telling lies. He lied about Ben
• 59:20
  Carson in Iowa. He lies about Planned Parenthood.
• 59:23
  He lies about marriage. He's lying about all
• 59:26
  sorts of things. And now he makes things up.
• 59:27
  The bottom line is this is a campaign and people
• 59:29
  are watching it and they see the truth behind
• 59:31
  all these issues. And here's the truth. Ted Cruz
• 59:33
  supported legalizing people that were in this
• 59:35
  country legally. And only now does he say he
• 59:38
  will. That is absolutely false. What he said
• 59:40
  is knowingly false. And I would note, if you
• 59:44
  want to assess who's telling the truth, if you
• 59:47
  want to assess who's telling the truth, then
• 59:50
  you should look. To Jeff Sessions, who said without
• 59:53
  Ted Cruz, the Rubio Schumer amnesty bill would
• 59:56
  have passed and Ted was responsible. You should
• 59:58
  look to Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin. Senator
• 1:00:02
  Cruz, I'll put the video online and you can make
• 1:00:06
  it. Governor Bush, I want to bring this out to
• 1:00:08
  a little wider philosophical aperture, if you
• 1:00:11
  will. Thank you. You have said illegal immigrants,
• 1:00:15
  quote, broke the law, but it's not a felony.
• 1:00:18
  Still quoting you, it's an act of love. It's
• 1:00:19
  an act of commitment to your family. Mr. Trump
• 1:00:22
  has, as you are well aware, denounced that statement
• 1:00:24
  over and over. Do you still believe it? What
• 1:00:26
  does that mean to you? And how does that inform
• 1:00:28
  your approach to immigration reform? Great question.
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  I feel like I have to get into my inner Chris
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  Christie and point out that the reason why I
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  should be president is listening to two senators
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  talk about arcane amendments to bills that didn't
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  pass. This is... this is the problem we need
• 1:00:46
  we need a leader to fix this problem and i have
• 1:00:49
  a detailed plan to do just that including controlling
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  the border dealing with the visa overstayers
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  making sure that we have a path to legal status
• 1:00:57
  not to citizenship for those that come out from
• 1:00:59
  the shadows and pay a fine learn english don't
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  commit crimes work and pay taxes that is the
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  better approach fundamentally do you believe
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  this rhetoric is insufficiently compassionate
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  to this issue the great majority of people that
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  come to this country come because they have no
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  other choice they want to come to provide their
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  families that doesn't mean it's right that doesn't
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  mean it's right we should pick who comes to our
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  country we should control our border coming here
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  legally should be a lot easier than coming here
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  illegally but the motivation they're not all
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  rapists as you know who said they're not that
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  these are people that are coming to provide for
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  their families and we should show a little more
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  respect for the fact that they're struggling
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  it doesn't mean we shouldn't be controlling the
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  border that's exactly what we should be doing
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  mr trump Look, when I announced that I was running
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  for president on June 16th, illegal immigration
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  wasn't even a subject. If I didn't bring it up,
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  you wouldn't even be talking. Now, I don't often
• 1:02:00
  agree with Marco, and I don't often agree with
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  Ted, but I can in this case. The weakest person
• 1:02:06
  on this stage by far on illegal immigration is
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  Jeb Bush. They come out of an act of love, whether
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  you like it or not. He is so weak on illegal
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  immigration, it's laughable. And everybody knows
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  it. So, you know, this is the standard operating
• 1:02:25
  procedure to disparage me. That's fine. I don't
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  really care. Spend a little more money on the
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  commercials. But if you want to talk about weakness,
• 1:02:32
  you want to talk about weakness, it's weak to
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  disparage women. It's weak to disparage Hispanics.
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  It's weak to denigrate the disabled. And it's
• 1:02:44
  really weak to call John McCain a loser because
• 1:02:46
  he was a POW. I never called him. That is outrageous.
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  He's an American hero. The simple fact is, I've
• 1:02:53
  laid out my plans. He said about language, my
• 1:02:55
  language. Two days ago, he said he would take
• 1:02:58
  his pants off and moon everybody. And that's
• 1:03:01
  fine. Nobody reports that. He gets up and says
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  that. And then he tells me, oh, my language was
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  a little bit rough. My language. Governor Kasich.
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  Give me a break. Governor Kasich. Governor Kasich.
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  Here in South Carolina, earlier this week, you
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  said the idea, the concept of deporting 11 million
• 1:03:18
  undocumented workers here. Make sure my mother's
• 1:03:21
  listening and she's watching the debate. I didn't
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  say that. You did say it. It's been reported
• 1:03:25
  in 10 different newspapers. We will leave the
• 1:03:27
  moon metaphors to be adjudicated later, I assure
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  you. Governor Kasich, you said earlier this week
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  in South Carolina, the concept, the idea of deporting
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  11 million undocumented workers in this country
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  is nuts. Why is it you are so opposed to that
• 1:03:43
  idea? Senator Cruz has said it's a simple application
• 1:03:45
  of existing law. The application of that is not
• 1:03:48
  inhumane. It is just. Why do you disagree? Before
• 1:03:51
  I get to that, this is the ninth of the tenth
• 1:03:53
  debate. And what I've been watching here, this
• 1:03:56
  back and forth, and these attacks, some of them
• 1:03:59
  are personal. I think we're fixing to lose the
• 1:04:02
  election to Hillary Clinton if we don't stop
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  this. I mean, the fact is, you know what I would
• 1:04:08
  suggest? Why don't we just take all the negative
• 1:04:11
  ads and all the negative comments down from television
• 1:04:13
  and let us just talk about what we're for and
• 1:04:15
  let's sell that and the Republican Party will
• 1:04:18
  be stronger as a result. What are you for on
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  immigration? You know this. Look, first of all,
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  I'm for sealing the border, okay? And then I'm
• 1:04:27
  for a guest worker program. People can come in,
• 1:04:30
  work, and go back home. We haven't closed the
• 1:04:32
  border because special interests, I believe,
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  blocked it. Then we have 11 .5 million people
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  here. If they have not committed a crime since
• 1:04:39
  they've been here, make them pay a fine and some
• 1:04:42
  back taxes and give them a path to legalization,
• 1:04:44
  never to citizenship. It is not going to happen
• 1:04:48
  that we're going to run around... and try to
• 1:04:51
  drag 11 .5 million people out of their homes.
• 1:04:53
  I'll tell you this. Within the first 100 days,
• 1:04:56
  I will send a plan like this to the Congress
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  of the United States, and if I'm president, I'll
• 1:05:00
  bet you dollars to donuts right now it will pass.
• 1:05:03
  That is a reasonable proposal that the people
• 1:05:05
  of this country, in my judgment, will support,
• 1:05:08
  and so will the bulk of the Congress of the United
• 1:05:10
  States. Moving subjects. Dr. Carson. This week,
• 1:05:16
  Morgan Stanley agreed to pay a $3 .2 billion
• 1:05:19
  fine to state and federal authorities for contributing
• 1:05:22
  to the mortgage crisis. You have a lot of Democrats
• 1:05:24
  out saying that we should be jailing more executives.
• 1:05:27
  So two questions. Should financial executives
• 1:05:30
  be held legally responsible for financial crisis?
• 1:05:34
  And do you think fines like these are an effective
• 1:05:36
  way to deter companies from future behavior like
• 1:05:40
  that? Well, first of all, please go to my website,
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  bencarson .com, and read my immigration policy,
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  okay, because it actually makes sense. Now, as
• 1:05:51
  far as these fines are concerned, you know, here's
• 1:05:55
  the big problem. We've got all these government
• 1:05:58
  regulators, and all they're doing is running
• 1:06:00
  around looking for people to fine. And we've
• 1:06:04
  got 645 different federal agencies and sub -agencies,
• 1:06:09
  way, way too many, and they don't have anything
• 1:06:11
  else to do. I think what we really need to do
• 1:06:15
  is start trimming the regulatory agencies rather
• 1:06:19
  than going after the people who are trying to
• 1:06:22
  increase the economic viability of our society.
• 1:06:28
  Now, that doesn't mean that there aren't some
• 1:06:30
  people out there who are doing bad things. but
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  i'm not sure that the way to solve that problem
• 1:06:35
  is by increasing all the regulatory burden you
• 1:06:38
  know when you consider how much regulations cost
• 1:06:41
  us each year you know two trillion dollars per
• 1:06:44
  family twenty four thousand dollars per family
• 1:06:47
  that happens to be the same level as poverty
• 1:06:50
  level for a family of four you want to get rid
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  of poverty get rid of all the regulations senator
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  uh senator cruz i have a question for you speaker
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  paul ryan has made a big commitment to trying
• 1:07:02
  to lift the 50 million poor out of poverty. And
• 1:07:06
  Arthur Brooks, who is the president of the American
• 1:07:08
  Enterprise Institute, says, quote, if we are
• 1:07:10
  not warriors for the poor every day, free enterprise
• 1:07:13
  has no matter. How have you been in your campaign
• 1:07:16
  a warrior for the poor? I think it is a very
• 1:07:18
  important question because the people who have
• 1:07:20
  been hurt the most in the Obama economy have
• 1:07:23
  been the most vulnerable. It's been young people.
• 1:07:25
  It's been Hispanics. It's been African -Americans.
• 1:07:28
  It's been single moms. We have the lowest percentage
• 1:07:30
  of Americans working today. in any year since
• 1:07:33
  1977. And the sad reality is big government,
• 1:07:37
  massive taxes, massive regulation doesn't work.
• 1:07:40
  What we need to do instead is bring back booming
• 1:07:43
  economic growth. Let small businesses are the
• 1:07:46
  heart of the economy. Two -thirds of all new
• 1:07:48
  jobs come from small businesses. If we want to
• 1:07:50
  lift people out of poverty, you know, I think
• 1:07:53
  of these issues from the perspective of my dad.
• 1:07:55
  My dad fled Cuba in 1957. He was just 18. He
• 1:07:59
  couldn't speak English. He had nothing at $100
• 1:08:01
  in his underwear. And he washed dishes making
• 1:08:04
  50 cents an hour and paid his way through school.
• 1:08:08
  Today, my dad is a pastor. He travels the country
• 1:08:10
  preaching the gospel. Now, I think about all
• 1:08:13
  of these issues. How would it impact my dad when
• 1:08:15
  he was washing dishes? If we had Obamacare in
• 1:08:18
  place right now, the odds are very high my father
• 1:08:21
  would have been laid off because it's teenage
• 1:08:22
  kids like my dad who've gotten laid off. If he
• 1:08:25
  didn't get laid off, the odds are high he would
• 1:08:27
  have had his hours forcibly reduced. to 28, 29
• 1:08:30
  hours a week. We need to lift the burdens on
• 1:08:34
  small businesses so you have jobs, and we need
• 1:08:36
  welfare reform that gets people off of welfare
• 1:08:39
  and back to work. Mr. Trump, Mr. Trump, I was
• 1:08:44
  with you in Pendleton, South Carolina earlier
• 1:08:46
  this week at the Rodeo Arena. It was a bit chilly
• 1:08:48
  there. You promised the crowd, and they rose
• 1:08:50
  to their feet, that if Ford or a company like
• 1:08:52
  it were to move a factory to Mexico, you would
• 1:08:55
  try to stop it or threaten them with a 35 %...
• 1:08:59
  tax or tariff on every car sold. Or a tax. Right.
• 1:09:02
  So my question is, based on your understanding
• 1:09:05
  of the presidency, where do you derive that power?
• 1:09:07
  Would you need the consent of Congress to go
• 1:09:09
  along? And do you see the presidency as a perch
• 1:09:13
  from which you can cajole and or threaten private
• 1:09:16
  industry to do something you think is better
• 1:09:18
  for the U .S. economy? I would build consensus
• 1:09:20
  with Congress, and Congress would agree with
• 1:09:23
  me. I'll give you an example. Because I don't
• 1:09:25
  like the idea of using executive orders like
• 1:09:28
  our president. It is a disaster what he's doing.
• 1:09:31
  I would build consensus, but consensus means
• 1:09:34
  you have to work hard. You have to cajole. You
• 1:09:36
  have to get them into the Oval Office and get
• 1:09:38
  them all together, and you have to make deals.
• 1:09:40
  Let me just tell you, I mentioned before, China,
• 1:09:43
  a big Chinese company, bought the Chicago Exchange.
• 1:09:46
  carrier is moving and if you saw the people because
• 1:09:49
  they have a video of the announcement that carrier
• 1:09:51
  is moving to mexico okay well i'll tell you what
• 1:09:54
  i would go right now to carry it and i would
• 1:09:57
  say i am going to work awfully hard you're going
• 1:10:00
  to make air conditioners now in mexico you're
• 1:10:03
  going to get all of these 1400 people that are
• 1:10:05
  being laid off they're laid off they were crying
• 1:10:06
  they were it was a very sad situation you're
• 1:10:09
  going to go to mexico you're going to make air
• 1:10:11
  conditions in mexico you're going to put them
• 1:10:12
  across our border with no tax I'm going to tell
• 1:10:15
  them right now, I am going to get consensus from
• 1:10:17
  Congress and we're going to tax you when those
• 1:10:19
  air conditions come. So stay where you are or
• 1:10:22
  build in the United States, because we are killing
• 1:10:25
  ourselves with trade pacts that are no good for
• 1:10:27
  us and no good for our workers. All right, Mr.
• 1:10:31
  Trump, thank you so much. We're going to take
• 1:10:32
  a break for a moment. We'll be back in a moment
• 1:10:34
  with the CBS News Republican debate. We're not
• 1:10:40
  taking care of our people. We have no border.
• 1:10:43
  We have no control. People are flooding across.
• 1:10:46
  We can't have it. Ted Cruz has just been telling
• 1:10:49
  lies. He lied about Ben Carson in Iowa. He lies
• 1:10:52
  about Planned Parenthood. He lies about marriage.
• 1:10:54
  He's lying about all sorts of things, and now
• 1:10:56
  he makes things up. We should be fighting Obamacare,
• 1:10:59
  repealing Obamacare, replacing it with something
• 1:11:01
  totally different. We're back now from Greenville,
• 1:11:14
  South Carolina, with the candidates for the Republican
• 1:11:16
  presidential nomination. Mr. Trump, I have a
• 1:11:19
  question for you. Presidents have to, on the
• 1:11:22
  one hand, be firm. but also be flexible. You've
• 1:11:25
  been flexible and changed your opinion on a number
• 1:11:26
  of things, from abortion to Hillary Clinton.
• 1:11:29
  But you've said, rightly, that it's just like
• 1:11:31
  Ronald Reagan, who changed his mind on things.
• 1:11:33
  But at the same time, you're criticizing Senator
• 1:11:36
  Cruz for what you say is a change on immigration.
• 1:11:39
  He disputes that, of course. So why is your change
• 1:11:42
  of opinion make you like Reagan, and when he
• 1:11:44
  changes his opinion, it's a huge character flaw?
• 1:11:48
  John, in life... You have flexibility. You do
• 1:11:50
  have flexibility. When you're fighting wars,
• 1:11:53
  you're going one way. You have a plan. It's a
• 1:11:55
  beautiful plan. It can't lose. The enemy makes
• 1:11:58
  a change, and all of a sudden, you have to change.
• 1:12:00
  You have to have flexibility. And Ronald Reagan,
• 1:12:02
  though, in terms of what we're talking about,
• 1:12:04
  was the great example. He was a somewhat liberal
• 1:12:07
  Democrat who became a somewhat... Pretty strong
• 1:12:10
  conservative. He became, most importantly, became
• 1:12:12
  a great president. He made many of the changes
• 1:12:15
  that I've made. I mean, I've seen, as I grew
• 1:12:17
  up, I've seen, and as I get older and wiser,
• 1:12:19
  and I feel that I am a conservative. Now, I also
• 1:12:22
  feel I'm a common -sense conservative, because
• 1:12:25
  some of the views I don't agree with, and I think
• 1:12:28
  a lot of people agree with me, obviously, based
• 1:12:30
  on what's happening. Which conservative idea
• 1:12:32
  don't you agree with? Well, I think these people
• 1:12:35
  always hit me with eminent domain. And frankly,
• 1:12:38
  I'm not in love with eminent domain, but eminent
• 1:12:41
  domain is something that you need very strongly.
• 1:12:43
  When Jeb had said you used eminent domain privately
• 1:12:46
  for a parking lot, it wasn't for a parking lot.
• 1:12:48
  The state of New Jersey, too bad Chris Christie
• 1:12:50
  is not here, he could tell you. The state of
• 1:12:53
  New Jersey went to build a very large tower that
• 1:12:55
  was going to employ thousands of people. I mean,
• 1:12:58
  it was going to really do a big job in terms
• 1:13:00
  of economic development. Now, just so you understand,
• 1:13:03
  I got hit very hard. It's private. It's private
• 1:13:05
  eminent domain. You understand. that they took
• 1:13:08
  over a stadium in Texas and they used private
• 1:13:10
  eminent domain, but he just found that out after
• 1:13:12
  he made the charge. All right. Governor Bush,
• 1:13:14
  I think by they, he's referring to your brother.
• 1:13:16
  You're on the hook for your brother. Well, Jeb
• 1:13:17
  wouldn't have known about it. So there's all
• 1:13:19
  sorts of intrigue about where I disagree with
• 1:13:23
  my brother. There'd be one right there. You should
• 1:13:25
  not use eminent domain for private purposes,
• 1:13:28
  a baseball stadium or a parking lot for limos.
• 1:13:30
  You shouldn't have used it then, Jeb. It's very
• 1:13:32
  different. Transmission lines, pipelines. bridges,
• 1:13:37
  highways, all of that is proper use of eminent
• 1:13:40
  domain. Not to take an elderly woman's home to
• 1:13:43
  build a parking lot so that high rollers can
• 1:13:46
  come from New York City to failed casinos in
• 1:13:49
  Atlantic City. That is not the appropriate thing
• 1:13:51
  to do. Senator Cruz, you were mentioned in the
• 1:13:53
  mix here. Your response? You know, flexibility
• 1:13:57
  is a good thing, but you shouldn't be flexible
• 1:14:01
  on core principles. I like Donald. He is an amazing
• 1:14:06
  entertainer. But his policies for most of his
• 1:14:09
  life. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. For
• 1:14:11
  most of his life, his policies have been very,
• 1:14:13
  very liberal. For most of his life, he has described
• 1:14:16
  himself as very pro -choice and as a supporter
• 1:14:20
  of partial birth abortion. Right now, today,
• 1:14:23
  as a candidate, he supports federal taxpayer
• 1:14:25
  funding for Planned Parenthood. I disagree with
• 1:14:27
  him on that. That's a matter of principle. You
• 1:14:30
  are the single biggest liar. You probably are
• 1:14:32
  worse than Jeb Bush. You are the single biggest
• 1:14:35
  liar. This guy lied. Let me just tell you. This
• 1:14:39
  guy lied about Ben Carson when he took votes
• 1:14:41
  away from Ben Carson in Iowa. And he just continues.
• 1:14:46
  And today, we had robocalls saying Donald Trump
• 1:14:49
  is not going to run in South Carolina, where
• 1:14:52
  I'm leading by a lot. I'm not going to run. Vote
• 1:14:55
  for Ted Cruz. This is the same thing he did to
• 1:14:58
  Ben Carson. This guy will say anything. Nasty
• 1:15:02
  guy. Now I know why he doesn't have one endorsement
• 1:15:04
  from any of his colleagues. All right, John,
• 1:15:07
  I get to respond. He's a nasty guy. I will say
• 1:15:12
  it is fairly remarkable to see Donald defending
• 1:15:16
  Ben after he called him pathological and compared
• 1:15:19
  him to a child molester, both of which were offensive
• 1:15:21
  and wrong. But let me say more broadly, you notice
• 1:15:24
  Donald didn't disagree with the substance. that
• 1:15:27
  he supports taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood.
• 1:15:30
  And Donald has this weird pattern. When you point
• 1:15:33
  to his own record, he screams, liar, liar, liar.
• 1:15:36
  If you want to go... Where did I support it?
• 1:15:38
  Where did I support it? Hey, Ted, where did I
• 1:15:40
  support it? If you want to go and watch the video,
• 1:15:42
  go to our website, tedcruz .org. Where did I
• 1:15:45
  support it, Ted? You can see it out of Donald's
• 1:15:47
  own mouth. Where did I support it? You supported
• 1:15:49
  it when we were battling over defunding Planned
• 1:15:51
  Parenthood. You went on television and said Planned
• 1:15:54
  Parenthood does wonderful things and we should
• 1:15:56
  not defund them. Well, it does do wonderful things,
• 1:15:58
  but not as it relates to abortion. So tell me,
• 1:16:00
  what are the wonderful things it does? There
• 1:16:03
  are wonderful things having to do with women's
• 1:16:05
  health. You see, you and I disagree on that.
• 1:16:07
  Not when it comes to abortion. Not when it comes
• 1:16:09
  to abortion. John, the reason principle matters.
• 1:16:13
  The reason principle matters, sadly, was illustrated
• 1:16:16
  by the first questions today. The next president
• 1:16:18
  is going to appoint one, two, three, four Supreme
• 1:16:21
  Court justices. If Donald Trump is president,
• 1:16:23
  he will appoint liberals. If Donald Trump is
• 1:16:26
  president, your second amendment will go away.
• 1:16:29
  Hold on, gentlemen, I'm going to turn this car
• 1:16:33
  around. with your brother wanted John Roberts
• 1:16:38
  to be in the United States Supreme Court. They
• 1:16:40
  both pushed him. He twice approved Obamacare.
• 1:16:43
  All right, gentlemen. My name was mentioned twice.
• 1:16:48
  Hold on. Gentlemen, we're in danger of driving
• 1:16:51
  this into the dirt. You gave us Obamacare. Senator
• 1:16:53
  Rubio, I'd like you to go on and jump in here.
• 1:16:56
  You just called me a liar. I understand. You're
• 1:16:57
  on deck, Governor. He also denigrated one of
• 1:17:00
  my heroes, Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan. was
• 1:17:03
  a liberal maybe in the 1950s. He was a conservative
• 1:17:06
  reform governor for eight years before he became
• 1:17:09
  president, and no one would suggest he made an
• 1:17:11
  evolution for political purposes. He was a conservative,
• 1:17:14
  and he didn't tear down people like Donald Trump
• 1:17:17
  did. He tore down the Berlin Wall. Okay, Governor,
• 1:17:19
  thank you. Great guy. Governor, Senator Cruz,
• 1:17:24
  30... 30 seconds on this one. I did not nominate
• 1:17:28
  John Roberts. I would not have nominated John
• 1:17:30
  Roberts. You pushed him. You pushed him. You
• 1:17:32
  worked with him, and you pushed him. Why do you
• 1:17:34
  lie? Donald, adults learn not to interrupt each
• 1:17:36
  other. Why do you lie? You pushed him. Donald,
• 1:17:39
  adults learn not to interrupt each other. Yeah,
• 1:17:40
  yeah, I know. You're an adult. I did not nominate
• 1:17:43
  him. I would not have nominated him. I would
• 1:17:46
  have nominated my former boss, Mike Ludig, who
• 1:17:48
  was Justice Scalia's first law clerk. And you
• 1:17:51
  know how I know that Donald's Supreme Court justices
• 1:17:53
  will be liberals? Because his entire life he
• 1:17:57
  supported liberals from Jimmy Carter to Hillary
• 1:17:59
  Clinton to John Kerry. In 2004, he contributed
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  to John Kerry. Nobody who cares about judges
• 1:18:05
  would contribute to John Kerry, Hillary Clinton,
• 1:18:08
  Chuck Schumer, and Harry Reid. That's what Donald
• 1:18:10
  Trump does. Governor, we're going to switch gears
• 1:18:12
  here. Senator Marco Rubio. Senator Marco Rubio,
• 1:18:15
  please weigh in. On anything I want? Oh, I thought
• 1:18:18
  you had a... Well, let me talk about poverty.
• 1:18:20
  I thought you had a point you wanted to make.
• 1:18:22
  No, I do. That was me. And that's something that's
• 1:18:24
  important. I think that was me that had a point.
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  You're in the on -deck circle, sir. You know,
• 1:18:28
  the issue of poverty is critical because for
• 1:18:30
  me, poverty is free enterprise not reaching people.
• 1:18:33
  Today, we have anti -poverty programs that don't
• 1:18:36
  cure poverty. We don't cure poverty in America.
• 1:18:38
  Our anti -poverty programs have become, in some
• 1:18:40
  instances, a way of life, a lifestyle. Now, we
• 1:18:43
  do need anti -poverty programs. You can't have
• 1:18:45
  free enterprise without them, but not as a way
• 1:18:47
  of life. And so I have a very specific proposal
• 1:18:49
  on this, and in 60 seconds I can't describe it
• 1:18:52
  all, but it basically turns the program over
• 1:18:54
  to states. It allows states to design innovative
• 1:18:57
  programs that cure poverty, because I think Nikki
• 1:18:59
  Haley will do a better job curing poverty than
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  Barack Obama. Senator, I wanted to ask you, just
• 1:19:05
  going back to immigration, in the last debate
• 1:19:07
  you listed your series of accomplishments in
• 1:19:09
  the Senate. One thing you left off was... was
• 1:19:11
  immigration reform is it the case that in your
• 1:19:14
  list of accomplishments you can't mention that
• 1:19:16
  well no it's not the case it didn't pass and
• 1:19:18
  we haven't solved immigration in this country
• 1:19:20
  it's still a problem it is worse today than it
• 1:19:22
  was three years ago which is worse than it was
• 1:19:24
  five years ago and it has to be confronted and
• 1:19:26
  solved but the only way forward on this issue
• 1:19:28
  you asked a question about flexibility let me
• 1:19:30
  tell you about that One of the things that you
• 1:19:32
  need in leadership is the ability to understand
• 1:19:34
  that to get things done, you must figure out
• 1:19:36
  the way to get it done. You will not pass comprehensive
• 1:19:38
  immigration reform. People do not trust the federal
• 1:19:41
  government. They want to see the law being enforced.
• 1:19:44
  They want to see illegal immigration come under
• 1:19:46
  control. They want to see that wall. They want
• 1:19:48
  to see E -Verify. They want to see all of these
• 1:19:50
  things working. And then they will have a conversation
• 1:19:52
  with you about what do you do with people that
• 1:19:55
  have been here a long time that are otherwise,
• 1:19:57
  you know, not criminals. But they're not going
• 1:19:59
  to do it until you first enforce the law. Dr.
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  Carson, I have a question for you. Candidates
• 1:20:08
  are... Before you ask the question, can I respond
• 1:20:10
  to the, you know, they've mentioned my name a
• 1:20:12
  couple of times. All right, you have 30 seconds,
• 1:20:14
  doctor. All right. Well, first of all, you know,
• 1:20:17
  so many people have said to me, you need to scream
• 1:20:19
  and jump up and down like everybody else. Is
• 1:20:22
  that really what you want, what we just saw?
• 1:20:25
  I don't think so. And, you know, when I got into
• 1:20:28
  this race... I decided to look under the hood
• 1:20:31
  of the engine of what runs Washington, D .C.
• 1:20:34
  And my first inclination was to run away. But
• 1:20:36
  I didn't do it because I'm thinking about our
• 1:20:38
  children and the fact that we are the United
• 1:20:42
  States of America. And anybody up here is going
• 1:20:44
  to be much better than what's going to come on
• 1:20:46
  the other side. And what happened tonight with
• 1:20:49
  Justice Scalia tells you that we cannot afford
• 1:20:52
  to lose this election and we cannot be tearing
• 1:20:55
  each other down. Dr. Carson, let me ask you.
• 1:21:01
  A different question. You were the first one,
• 1:21:03
  really, to talk about political correctness.
• 1:21:05
  Everybody now talks about it, but that was really
• 1:21:07
  what sparked your rise. Politicians are often
• 1:21:11
  accused of glossing over any hard choices people
• 1:21:14
  have to make, just always selling happy, nice
• 1:21:17
  things. So in the spirit of saying something
• 1:21:21
  that might be politically incorrect, tell the
• 1:21:23
  voters something that they need to hear but that
• 1:21:24
  might be politically incorrect. Well, first of
• 1:21:27
  all, I'm not a politician. So I'm never going
• 1:21:30
  to become a politician. But here's what people
• 1:21:33
  need to know. People need to know that free college
• 1:21:38
  is a non -starter. You know, you have to look
• 1:21:42
  at our economic situation. We're on the verge
• 1:21:45
  of economic collapse. And, you know, it's not
• 1:21:49
  just the $19 trillion. But it's also the $200
• 1:21:53
  trillion in unfunded liabilities. And what we
• 1:21:56
  need to think about is what does that do to the
• 1:21:59
  average person? When we have a debt of that nature,
• 1:22:02
  it causes the Fed to change their policy. It
• 1:22:07
  causes the central bank to keep the rates low.
• 1:22:10
  And who does that affect? Mr. Average, who used
• 1:22:14
  to go to the bank every Friday and put part of
• 1:22:16
  his check in the bank and watch it grow over
• 1:22:18
  three decades and be able to retire with a nice
• 1:22:20
  nest egg. That's gone. That part of the American
• 1:22:22
  dream is gone. All of these things are disappearing.
• 1:22:25
  And Bernie Sanders and people like Hillary Clinton
• 1:22:28
  blame it on the rich. They say those evil rich
• 1:22:30
  people, if we take their money, we can solve
• 1:22:32
  the problem. It's not the evil rich people. It's
• 1:22:35
  the irresponsible evil government. All right.
• 1:22:38
  Governor Kasich. Governor Kasich, you've been
• 1:22:44
  described as the Democrats' favorite Republican.
• 1:22:46
  You talked about a New Hampshire Democrat who
• 1:22:48
  would come up to you and say, I hope you win.
• 1:22:51
  Why will that help you win a Republican nomination?
• 1:22:54
  You know, John, I think all people are the same.
• 1:22:56
  Look, I did 106 town halls, and I've been doing
• 1:22:59
  them left and right here in South Carolina. Look,
• 1:23:01
  the first thing we have to do is grow the economy.
• 1:23:03
  And I know the formula because I was chairman
• 1:23:06
  in Washington when we balanced the budget and
• 1:23:08
  created so many jobs, and the same that we've
• 1:23:10
  been able to do in Ohio. You need common -sense
• 1:23:12
  regulations so small business can flourish. You
• 1:23:16
  need lower taxes both on businesses and individuals.
• 1:23:19
  And you need a fiscal plan to be able to get
• 1:23:22
  ourselves in a situation where people can predict
• 1:23:24
  a little bit about the future when it comes to
• 1:23:27
  the fiscal issues. And when you have that formula...
• 1:23:30
  combined with workforce that's trained, you can
• 1:23:32
  explode the economy and create many jobs. I've
• 1:23:35
  done it twice, and I want to go back to Washington
• 1:23:37
  and do it again. John, the thing is, is that
• 1:23:40
  I think that there are people now, these blue
• 1:23:42
  -collar Democrats, my dad was a blue -collar
• 1:23:45
  Democrat, the Democratic Party's left them. When
• 1:23:48
  they're arguing about being socialists, They've
• 1:23:50
  lost those blue -collar Democrats. And you know
• 1:23:53
  what I think they get out of me is my sense of
• 1:23:56
  what they get out of me. And it's embarrassment
• 1:23:58
  about campaigns. You brag about yourself. But
• 1:24:00
  I think I'm a uniter. I think people sense it.
• 1:24:03
  I think they know I have the experience and that
• 1:24:05
  I'm a man that can give people hope and the sense
• 1:24:08
  that they have an opportunity to rise. And I
• 1:24:10
  tell you, I love these blue -collar Democrats
• 1:24:12
  because they're going to vote for us come next
• 1:24:14
  fall. Promise you that. Mr. Trump, let me ask
• 1:24:19
  you a question. Presidents in both parties say
• 1:24:22
  that the one thing you need in your administration
• 1:24:24
  is somebody who can tell you you're wrong. You
• 1:24:27
  don't necessarily seem like somebody who has
• 1:24:29
  somebody who tells you you're wrong a lot. Can
• 1:24:31
  you tell us of an instance where somebody said,
• 1:24:33
  Donald Trump, you're wrong, and you listened
• 1:24:35
  to them? Well, I would say my wife tells me I'm
• 1:24:38
  wrong all the time, and I listen. About what?
• 1:24:44
  Oh, let me just say. Look, I am very open. I
• 1:24:47
  hired top people. I've had great success. I built
• 1:24:50
  a great, great company. I don't need to do this.
• 1:24:53
  I'm self -funding. I'm spending a lot of money.
• 1:24:55
  I've spent, like, in New Hampshire, I spent $3
• 1:24:58
  million. Jeb Bush spent $44 million. He came
• 1:25:02
  in five, and I came in number one. That's what
• 1:25:04
  the country needs, folks. I spent three. He spends
• 1:25:07
  42 of their money, of special interest money.
• 1:25:11
  it's just this is not going to make excuse me
• 1:25:13
  this is not going to make our country great again
• 1:25:16
  this is not what we need in our country we need
• 1:25:19
  people that know what the hell they're doing
• 1:25:21
  and politicians they're all talk they're no action
• 1:25:25
  and that's why people are supporting me i do
• 1:25:27
  listen to people i hire experts i hire top top
• 1:25:30
  people and i do listen and you know what sometimes
• 1:25:33
  they're wrong you have to know what to do when
• 1:25:36
  to do it but sometimes they're wrong Something
• 1:25:39
  in talking to voters that they wish somebody
• 1:25:41
  would tell you to cut it out is the profanity.
• 1:25:45
  What's your reaction? Over the years, I've made
• 1:25:52
  many speeches. People have asked me, big companies
• 1:25:55
  have asked me to make speeches and friends of
• 1:25:57
  mine that run big companies on success. And on
• 1:25:59
  occasion, in order to sort of really highlight
• 1:26:02
  something, I use a profanity. One of the profanities
• 1:26:07
  that I got. credited with using that i didn't
• 1:26:09
  use was a very bad word two weeks ago that i
• 1:26:12
  never used i said you and everybody said oh he
• 1:26:17
  didn't say anything wrong but you bleeped it
• 1:26:18
  so everyone thinks i said i didn't say anything
• 1:26:21
  i never said the word it is very unfair that
• 1:26:25
  criticism now i will say this with all of that
• 1:26:27
  being said i have said i will not do it at all
• 1:26:30
  because if i say a word that's a little bit off
• 1:26:33
  color a little bit it ends up being a headline
• 1:26:35
  i will not do it again I was a very good student
• 1:26:38
  at a great school. Not using, by the way, not
• 1:26:41
  using profanity is very easy. Okay, Governor
• 1:26:44
  Bush, I'd like to ask you... I've got to respond
• 1:26:46
  to this. Well, can I... How about you respond
• 1:26:48
  and then you can answer the question I'm about
• 1:26:50
  to ask you. Sounds like a good plan. Or you could
• 1:26:52
  ask me two questions so I could get two minutes
• 1:26:54
  instead of one. If we adjudicate this, the night
• 1:26:56
  will be over. Governor, in 2012, you said that
• 1:26:58
  your father and Ronald Reagan... would have a
• 1:27:00
  hard time in today's Republican Party based on
• 1:27:02
  their records of trying to find accommodation
• 1:27:04
  and finding some degree of common ground. Do
• 1:27:07
  you still feel that way? I think that the dysfunction
• 1:27:09
  in Washington is really dangerous. That's what
• 1:27:11
  I think. And we need a proven leader that has
• 1:27:13
  a record of solving problems, someone who doesn't
• 1:27:15
  cut and run, someone who could be a commander
• 1:27:17
  in chief. to unite our country around common
• 1:27:20
  purposes, someone who doesn't disparage people,
• 1:27:23
  someone that doesn't brag, for example, that
• 1:27:24
  he's been bankrupt four times and it was great
• 1:27:27
  because he could use the legal system. Let me
• 1:27:29
  respond. That's another lie. I never went bankrupt.
• 1:27:32
  It's another lie. But it's a lie. This guy, he
• 1:27:35
  doesn't know what he's talking about. We need
• 1:27:36
  someone with a proven record to be able to...
• 1:27:39
  forge consensus to solve problems. And right
• 1:27:42
  now, both Republicans and Democrats in Washington
• 1:27:45
  don't get it. People are struggling. 63 % of
• 1:27:48
  Americans can't make a $500 car payment. Most
• 1:27:51
  Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. And
• 1:27:53
  we need someone who has a proven record of growing
• 1:27:55
  the economy, reforming the things that are broken,
• 1:27:58
  and I'm that person. Okay, Mr. Trump, your response.
• 1:28:00
  Let me just tell you. Jeb goes around saying,
• 1:28:02
  just like the biggest business leaders in this
• 1:28:05
  country, I've used the laws of the land. to chapter
• 1:28:09
  i bought a company i threw it immediately into
• 1:28:11
  a chapter i made a great deal i used the laws
• 1:28:13
  to my benefit because i run a company i never
• 1:28:16
  went bankrupt excuse me jeb yeah i never went
• 1:28:18
  bankrupt never now but you don't want to say
• 1:28:21
  that now let me just say i've used it just like
• 1:28:23
  the biggest leaders in the country let me just
• 1:28:26
  tell you something florida florida He put so
• 1:28:29
  much debt on Florida. You know, we keep saying
• 1:28:31
  he's a wonderful governor, wonderful governor.
• 1:28:33
  He put so much debt on Florida, and he increased
• 1:28:36
  spending so much that as soon as he got out of
• 1:28:38
  office, Florida crashed. I happened to be there.
• 1:28:41
  It's my second home. Florida crashed. He didn't
• 1:28:44
  do a good job as governor. And you haven't, excuse
• 1:28:46
  me, you haven't heard that. You listened to the
• 1:28:49
  good record in Florida. You take a look at what
• 1:28:51
  happened. As soon as that year ended, he got
• 1:28:52
  out. Florida crashed. Too much debt. He loaded
• 1:28:57
  it up with debt. and his spending went through
• 1:28:59
  the roof. By the way, this was not a good governor.
• 1:29:04
  Here's the record. Here's the record. We led
• 1:29:07
  the nation in job growth seven out of eight years.
• 1:29:09
  When I left, there was $9 billion of reserves,
• 1:29:11
  35 % of general revenue. No state came close
• 1:29:14
  to that. During my time, we were one of two states
• 1:29:17
  to go to AAA bond rating. We didn't go bankrupt
• 1:29:20
  like Trump did and call it success when people
• 1:29:22
  are laid off, when vendors don't get paid. That's
• 1:29:25
  not success. What we did was create an environment
• 1:29:28
  where people had a chance to have income. Personal
• 1:29:30
  income during my time went up by 4 .4%. The government
• 1:29:34
  grew by half of that. All right. Thank you. Senator
• 1:29:39
  Rubio, I want to ask you a 30 -second question.
• 1:29:41
  No president can know everything, right? So a
• 1:29:51
  smart leader knows how to ask questions. So if
• 1:29:54
  you could talk to any previous president, What's
• 1:29:56
  the smart question you would ask about that job
• 1:29:58
  that you'd want to know? Well, I think one of
• 1:30:01
  the presidents, the president I grew up under
• 1:30:03
  was Ronald Reagan. And Reagan had a vision for
• 1:30:05
  America's future. And if you think about what
• 1:30:07
  Ronald Reagan inherited, it's not unlike what
• 1:30:09
  the next president is going to inherit. This
• 1:30:10
  is the worst president we've had in 35 years.
• 1:30:13
  35 years back would have made it Jimmy Carter.
• 1:30:15
  That's what Ronald Reagan inherited. And I think
• 1:30:18
  the question you would ask is, how did you inspire,
• 1:30:20
  again, the American people to believe in the
• 1:30:21
  future? What did it take to ensure that the American
• 1:30:25
  people, despite all of the difficulties of the
• 1:30:27
  time, you know, you look back at that time, the
• 1:30:29
  American military was in decline, our standing
• 1:30:31
  in the world was in decline, we had hostages
• 1:30:33
  being held in Iran, our economy was in bad shape.
• 1:30:36
  The American people were scared about the future.
• 1:30:39
  They were scared about what kind of country their
• 1:30:41
  children were going to live in and inherit. And
• 1:30:43
  yet somehow Ronald Reagan was able to instill
• 1:30:45
  in our nation and in our people a sense of optimism,
• 1:30:48
  and he turned America around because of that
• 1:30:50
  vision and ultimately because of that leadership.
• 1:30:52
  I wish Ronald Reagan was still around. This country
• 1:30:55
  needs someone just like that. And if our next
• 1:30:58
  president is even half the president Ronald Reagan
• 1:31:00
  was, America is going to be greater than it's
• 1:31:02
  ever been. All right, that's going to have to
• 1:31:03
  be it there. Senator Rubio, we've got to go to
• 1:31:05
  a break. We'll be right back with the CBS News
• 1:31:08
  Republican debate in Greenville, South Carolina.
• 1:31:14
  Time now for closing statements. You will each
• 1:31:16
  have one minute and we'll begin with Governor
• 1:31:19
  Kasich. Well, I want to thank the people of South
• 1:31:22
  Carolina. You've been fantastic. And look, what
• 1:31:24
  I want you to know is I'm going to send a lot
• 1:31:26
  of power, money and influence back to where we
• 1:31:28
  all live. But as I've traveled around South Carolina,
• 1:31:31
  I've noticed something. You know, it's that people
• 1:31:33
  have a sense that you're not going to wait on
• 1:31:35
  a president. You know, when I was a kid, we didn't
• 1:31:38
  wait on presidents to come to that little blue
• 1:31:39
  collar town and fix things. You know, the Lord
• 1:31:42
  made all the special. The Lord wants us to be
• 1:31:45
  connected. I believe we're part of a very big
• 1:31:48
  mosaic. And I'll send the power back. And whoever
• 1:31:52
  gets elected president here, hopefully we'll
• 1:31:54
  take care of the issue of jobs and wages and
• 1:31:56
  Social Security and the border. But the spirit
• 1:31:59
  of America rests in all of us. It's in our guts.
• 1:32:02
  It's taking care of our children. It's taking
• 1:32:04
  care of the lady next door who just lost her
• 1:32:06
  husband. It's fixing the schools where we live
• 1:32:09
  and telling kids to stay off drugs. You see,
• 1:32:12
  I think what the Lord wants is for us to engage.
• 1:32:14
  And in America, the spirit of America doesn't
• 1:32:16
  come from the top down. The spirit of America
• 1:32:18
  rests in us. And I want to call on everyone in
• 1:32:21
  America to double down and realize that you were
• 1:32:23
  made special to heal this country and lift it
• 1:32:26
  for everyone. Thank you all very much, and I
• 1:32:28
  hope I can have your vote in South Carolina.
• 1:32:32
  Dr. Carson, you're next. This is the first generation
• 1:32:39
  not expected to do better. than their parents.
• 1:32:42
  Some people say it's the new normal, but there's
• 1:32:45
  nothing normal about it in an exceptional American.
• 1:32:48
  I, like you, am a member of we, the people, and
• 1:32:52
  we know that our country is heading off the cliff.
• 1:32:55
  Joseph Stalin said if you want to bring America
• 1:32:58
  down, you have to undermine three things, our
• 1:33:01
  spiritual life, our patriotism, and our morality.
• 1:33:05
  We, the people, can stop that decline, starting
• 1:33:08
  right here in South Carolina. If all the people
• 1:33:11
  who say, I love Ben Carson and his policies,
• 1:33:14
  but he can't win, vote for me, not only can we
• 1:33:17
  win, but we can turn this thing around. You know,
• 1:33:20
  we have this manipulation by the political class
• 1:33:23
  and by the media telling us who we're supposed
• 1:33:26
  to pick and how we're supposed to live. We the
• 1:33:29
  people are the only people who determine that.
• 1:33:32
  And if you elect me as your next president, I
• 1:33:35
  promise you that you will get somebody who is
• 1:33:37
  accountable to everybody. and beholden to no
• 1:33:41
  one. Thank you. Governor Bush. Thank you all
• 1:33:48
  very much. The next president is going to be
• 1:33:50
  confronted with an unforeseen challenge. That's
• 1:33:52
  almost certain. It could be a pandemic, a major
• 1:33:55
  natural disaster, or an attack on our country.
• 1:33:58
  The question for South Carolinians and Americans
• 1:34:00
  is, who do you want to have sitting behind the
• 1:34:03
  big desk in the Oval Office? Because that's the
• 1:34:06
  question. It's not the things that we're talking
• 1:34:07
  about today. It's the great challenge that may
• 1:34:10
  happen. I believe I will have a steady hand as
• 1:34:13
  Commander -in -Chief and President of the United
• 1:34:14
  States. I will unite this country around common
• 1:34:16
  purposes because I did it as governor of the
• 1:34:18
  state of Florida. When I was governor, we had
• 1:34:21
  eight hurricanes and four tropical storms in
• 1:34:23
  16 months. Our state was on its back. We recovered
• 1:34:27
  far faster than what people thought because we
• 1:34:29
  led. We ran to the challenge rather than cutting
• 1:34:32
  and running. That's what we need in Washington,
• 1:34:34
  D .C. We need someone with a servant's heart
• 1:34:36
  that has a backbone that isn't going to focus
• 1:34:38
  on polls and focus groups. It's going to focus
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  on the American people to keep them safe and
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  secure. I ask for your vote next Saturday. Senator
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  Marco Rubio. Thank you. Thank you for watching
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  tonight. This is a difficult time in our country.
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  Our economy's flat. It's not creating the jobs
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  it once did. People struggle living paycheck
• 1:35:01
  to paycheck. Our culture's in trouble. Wrong
• 1:35:03
  is now considered right, and right is considered
• 1:35:05
  wrong, and all the things that once held our
• 1:35:07
  families together are now under constant assault.
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  And around the world, America's reputation is
• 1:35:12
  in decline. Our allies don't trust us. Our adversaries
• 1:35:15
  don't fear us. Iran captures our sailors and
• 1:35:17
  parades them before the world on video. These
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  are difficult times. But 2016 can be a turning
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  point. That's why I'm running for president.
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  That's why I'm here today to ask you for your
• 1:35:27
  vote. If you elect me president, we are going
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  to re -embrace free enterprise so that everyone
• 1:35:32
  can go as far as their talent and their work
• 1:35:34
  will take them. We are going to be a country
• 1:35:36
  that says that life begins at conception and
• 1:35:38
  life is worthy of the protection of our laws.
• 1:35:40
  We're going to be a country that says that marriage
• 1:35:42
  is between one man and one woman. And we are
• 1:35:45
  going to be a country that says the Constitution
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  and the rights that it talks about do not come
• 1:35:49
  from our president, they come from our creator.
• 1:35:52
  And we are going to be loyal to our allies like
• 1:35:54
  Israel, not... enemies like Iran, and we will
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  rebuild the U .S. military so no one will dare
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  test it. Vote for me. I will unify this party.
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  I will grow it. We will win this election, and
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  we will make the 21st century a new American
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  century. Senator Cruz, your closing statement.
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  South Carolina, you have a critical choice to
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  make. Our country literally hangs in the balance.
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  Do you want another Washington dealmaker? who
• 1:36:34
  will do business as usual, cut deals with the
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  Democrats, grow government, grow debt, and give
• 1:36:39
  up our fundamental liberties? Or do you want
• 1:36:42
  a conservative, a proven conservative who will
• 1:36:45
  stand and fight with you each and every day?
• 1:36:48
  Listen, repealing Obamacare is not going to be
• 1:36:50
  easy. Passing a simple flat tax and abolishing
• 1:36:53
  the IRS is not going to be easy. But if we stand
• 1:36:56
  with the American people, we can do it. And today
• 1:36:58
  we saw just how grave the stakes are. Two branches
• 1:37:01
  of government. hang in the balance, not just
• 1:37:03
  the presidency, but the Supreme Court. If we
• 1:37:06
  get this wrong, if we nominate the wrong candidate,
• 1:37:10
  the Second Amendment, life, marriage, religious
• 1:37:12
  liberty, every one of those hangs in the balance.
• 1:37:16
  My little girls are here. I don't want to look
• 1:37:18
  my daughters in the eyes and say we lost their
• 1:37:20
  liberties. Who do you know will defend the Constitution
• 1:37:23
  and Bill of Rights? And as a commander -in -chief,
• 1:37:26
  who do you know will stand up to our enemies,
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  has the calm, steady, deliberate strength to
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  defeat our enemies, to secure the borders, and
• 1:37:33
  to keep America safe? All right, Mr. Trump, your
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  closing statement. Thank you. Politicians are
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  all talk, no action. You've seen where they've
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  taken you to. We owe $19 trillion right now.
• 1:37:52
  It's going to be increased with that horrible
• 1:37:54
  budget from a month ago that was just approved
• 1:37:57
  by politicians. We need a change. We need a very
• 1:38:01
  big change. We're going to make our country great
• 1:38:04
  again. I say this every night, every day, every
• 1:38:07
  afternoon, and it's so true. We don't win anymore.
• 1:38:10
  We don't win with health care. We don't win with
• 1:38:13
  ISIS and the military. We don't take care of
• 1:38:15
  our vets. We don't take care of our borders.
• 1:38:18
  We don't win. We're going to start winning again.
• 1:38:22
  We are not going to be controlled by people that
• 1:38:25
  are special interests and lobbyists that everybody
• 1:38:28
  here has contributed to. And you know what? They
• 1:38:31
  do exactly what those folks want them to do.
• 1:38:34
  We're going to make our country great and we're
• 1:38:36
  going to do the right thing. I'm working for
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  you. I'm not working for anybody else. Thank
• 1:38:40
  you very much. We'll be back with a few final
• 1:38:45
  thoughts in a moment. So that's nine Republican
• 1:38:53
  debates down and at least three to go. We'll
• 1:38:57
  have more about the presidential race and the
• 1:38:59
  death of Justice Antonin Scalia tomorrow morning
• 1:39:01
  on Face the Nation. Our guests include Donald
• 1:39:04
  Trump, Marco Rubio, and Democratic candidate
• 1:39:07
  Bernie Sanders. Debate coverage continues now
• 1:39:10
  on our digital network, CBSN. For Major Garrett
• 1:39:13
  and Kimberly Strassel, I'm John Dickerson. Good
• 1:39:17
  night.