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Dian Ginsberg M.D., F.A.C.O.G. · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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Welcome back. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless. Well, today
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I have a guest with me who is from Houston, and she's a medical
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doctor. Her name is doctor Diane Ginsburg and that's with a B E RG
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and Diane is d I A N. And Diane, you know, really
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been so eager to have her on the show. I've heard about her,
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I've read her background, I've studied her beliefs, and although I've never met
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her in person, I'm hoping that will happen very soon. I wanted to
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share her knowledge and her experience with our audience because I think she has so
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much to offer and share with us today. So Diane, welcome to Ageless
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and Timeless. Thank you very much. It's great to be here. Thank
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you. You know, Diane, you have such an interesting background, how
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you began your medical career, how life's tragedies affected your direction and your outcomes,
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and particularly relating to your son. So why don't you tell us a
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little bit about how those influences have caused you to be where you are today.
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So I always tell people that I was a up all night Crispy cream
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eating obgyn medical student that turned into resident, and after four years of living
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the residency life, you know, you pop out at thirty years old.
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You see your biological clock ticking, and you go, okay, I'm going
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to have a baby, and there's probably nobody worse off to do that than
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an obgyn resident. So I delivered my first son when I was thirty uncomplicated
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pregnancy, uncomplicated delivery, and then he had no lineage until probably three and
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a half years old. While I thought this was going to be isolated,
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I had delivered a second baby about while Andy was three and a half years
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old. My second son came and I figured, oh, this was just
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an isolated incident. And then he had no language. So my first son
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didn't talk till he was four. My second one had no language, no
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comprehensive language or verbal language at all until he was five years old. And
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we saw every allopathic doctor you could imagine for both of them, and we
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got every diagnosis. And the little one especially, they told me he had
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an IQ of forty seven. He was severely mentally retarded and he would never
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talk. And at that time I was about forty years old, I was
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working full time as an ob gyn. I was devastated with this diagnosis.
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But at the same time, my patients started to come in saying, I
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don't feel good. I'm struggling with weight gain, my sleep's a problem.
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More and more people were starting prozac and and different you know antidepressants. They
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just didn't feel good, and fast food was increasing. So for me,
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I was still delivering babies, practicing traditional ob gin, dealing with these kids
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and so frustrated. But it was actually helping women, wanting to help women
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and learn about more hormones that drove me down this pathway. So in looking
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up hormone replacement because the WHI study had just come out that said that hormones
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are going to give you breast cancer. So the women had given up all
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their hormones and they were having hot flashes and they didn't feel good. So
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we were really in this kind of spinning world of what are we going to
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do. It was studying bioidentical hormones in a conference through the American Academy of
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Anti Aging that opened the world of functional medicine, and I learned it's not
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just hormone balance, but it's got microbiome and nutrient deficiencies and circadian rhythm and
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what the changes in the EMFs, the four G and the three G at
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that time were doing to ourselves and our mitochondrias. So I took all of
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this info back, not only to my patients but to my kids, and
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I took away some of the cell phones, and I got them outside more,
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and I cleaned up their food, no more of the fast foods,
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and I increased vegetables back again, which I think we've lost a lot out
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of our diet and downtime that kids don't often have. And slowly but surely
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speech came and language came, And to this day, my big one just
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started medical school down in Galveston, and my little one is a sophomore at
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Southwestern. The one they said was retarded is at Southwestern and Georgetown. And
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now not only do we see young kids in the office because I stopped delivering
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babies to try to do more of this functional health, but we see kids
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we're helping with autism and learning problems. We work men just as well as
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women, and really working on the aging space, which I think is hugely
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empty, because it's not just about disease prevention anymore. It's about really health
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every day to maximize aging, which is going to turn prevent disease. And
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you describe that as rectangularization, would you describe what define what that means?
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So if you I always say there's a cost of doing business to be on
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this earth, your DNA, your cells have to deal with the surroundings and
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the cells create free radicals as they make energy to enable you to function.
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So what happens is those free radicals go back like police gun tasers, and
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they taser the cells in our body and the cells then either die or divide.
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Well, the problem when your cells divide is the DNA starts to unravel,
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if you would, So each daughter cell is less efficient, if you
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would, then its mother's cell, so it's not going to fold proteins as
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well. It's not going to perform as well, so you as an entire
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body won't function as well. So when you look at the aging process,
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we go up to thirty, over to forty and then down and from forty
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to fifty, womenal age almost twenty years in mental age about seventeen or eighteen,
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and women especially because of that loss of hormones. So with that drop
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in a bunch of things, what starts to happen is is that our aging
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gets aggressive. So then DNA is a problem. Functionality is a problem in
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disease state sits in. So just because we're living to maybe eighty five or
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ninety doesn't mean we're living healthy. So the age profile you still look like
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a kind of a half circle, whereas the concept of rectangularization would be to
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go up and across, but don't dive down. Keep yourself healthy up until
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ninety one hundred. Whatever maximized aging is. Who knows what the future will
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bring in the next ten years, So it's creating this rectangularized ability to make
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the most of your life when you're sixty seventy eighty. So let's talk for
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a moment then about the chronological age versus the biological age. So if you
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could define both of those, because I think today's world, what you just
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said is incredibly important. That you can live chronologically to one hundred, Biologically
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you might be sixty or fifty. You know, your biological age could be
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dramatically different than your chronological So would you address that for a moment. So,
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I think the simplest way to look at it is is that the same
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way that our sneakers are sneaker laces have little plastic caps on them. Telomeres.
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DNA has a cap on it also, and the word for that is
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called a telomere, and a lot of people listening might have heard that work.
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So think about that. Every time you took your sneakers off, instead
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of unlacing, what you did is you actually pulled the entire lace out and
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then had to relace the shoe. That plastic cap would take a beating.
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So if you took good care of that cap and laced very gentle, what
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would happen is that lace would last a lot longer and the performance of the
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lace would work. If the cap gets frayed, then it's the lace will
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open up and the ability to lace through the shoe just won't work. So
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it's the same concept in your DNA. Every time your DNA divides, efficiency
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goes down. So if your cells divide more often in a given year,
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then say, the person next store you can actually be biologically older. You
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are less efficient at performing tasks at the same age as the person next to
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you. So the way to think of it as you get about forty five
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cell divisions in your entire lifetime, and some people say a perfect human can
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live to one hundred and twenty five at this point. So if you're dividing
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more aggressively, you might be fifty, but you're so far down the cell
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division that your cells are performing like a sixty five year old. But if
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you are efficient at who you are and you keep your your cells around longer,
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performance stays, so you can be fifty but be performing like a forty
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year old. So how can people get a baseline for their their telomere lanes?
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How do they know what's going on and they can start measuring from there
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with their lifestyle dynamics that you're going to describe more in detail for us today,
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So could you help us to know how do we get a baseline?
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So the simplest way to look at any measurement is you need a piece of
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the body, right, so you have to biopsy some part of the body.
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So rather than actually take a piece of tissue from say your arm,
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or your brain or another part of your body, tissue that people don't think
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about are actually white blood cells. So floating around in your blood are white
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cells that are a backdoor indicator of your overall age because they're all with a
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blood test you actually draw your big aliquot of light of white bloods ells and
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using that Tellingmere length can be measured. There's a lot of different theories behind
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that. Some people you average tellingmere. Some people say you have to measure
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the shortest tellmere. So there's a handful of labs that actually do that test.
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But if you whatever lab you pick, if you pick one, get
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a baseline and then work on improvement in your body. You can follow that
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out over time. So if I'm going to go or our viewers are going
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to go to a lab to a doctor, let's say a traditional aleipathic doctor
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first, would they even know what you're talking about? Or would they look
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at you CROSSI? Okay, So it has to be a functional medicine doctor,
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an alternative practitioner. So that's where we have to start, is that
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the alepathic practitioner will not be your place to get this measurement, but so
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go to someone who is, like you, a functional medicine Okay. So
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let's just assume people have done that and they want to guide the practitioner to
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the labs that they think are the most efficacious. Which which labs do you
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like? So we use spectra Cell because they and I'm I guess I'm partial
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to spectra Cell because they have and we'll talk about the other testing. They
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have great kind of combo testing. They look at telomeres, but they will
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pair that with micronutrients where you can actually look at cellular nutrient deficiencies, not
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just what's floating around in your blood, but what's in your white blood cells
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representing your tissue level. And they look at not just cholesterol numbers, because
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remember your standard cholesterol number doesn't mean as much anymore. It's the particles that
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are flowing through you. And they will look at your omega six omega three
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balance. So it's not even just about the telomeres themselves, but it's really
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about what's supporting the telomeres. At this time, there's there are a handful
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of products out there that claim to lengthen telomeres. I'm gonna, you know,
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not comment on that. I'm not partial to. I don't I don't
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work for any specific company, So for me, I kind of have my
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own opinion about everything. But I think that the world is such a tough
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place today that I'm I'm more interested in somebody working on their nutrients efficiencies and
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working on their inflammatory control and getting their circadian rhythms in line, and getting
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their vitamin D therapeutic rather than even worrying long term about their telomeres. Because
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if you support that one part, the rest will follow, right, And
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there are a number of different supplements that they, like you said, that
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are pouted for telomere lengthening. However, the next question is absorption. It's
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one thing to say it could help. It's another thing to say, is
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the microbiome, which we're going to get to it in a moment, allowing
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and that's the guy allowing absorption of those nutrients, those supplements and the nutrients
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I should say, which your food to assist in that telemere lengthening as well
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as everything else that you just described. So as long as I mentioned that
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word microbiome, this is like the hottest new concept, right. It's like
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it seems like every year there's a new thing like vitamin D three and before
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that fish oils they'll make a three sixty nine ratio. Now it's the microbiome,
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and dentists are talking about it and doctors are talking about it. But
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you know, for a long time people have said, you know, eighty
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five percent of your immune system is in your gut, and so let's talk
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about the microbio and give us an idea of how we manage our microbiome to
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the greatest efficiency, and that maybe put us on the road to a greater
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health because our immune system will be strengthened. So can you help us out
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with that? So I think what happened is the reason we didn't worry about
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that before is because life wasn't a problem with it. I mean, I
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remember growing up. I grew up in New York, and my mom would
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do clothes and then she would go out on the clothesline and some stuff went
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in the dryer, but some got hung with close pins. Or my grandfather
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had his garden in the backyard. So I think we were all more tuned
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into our environment. We ate local vegetables, we ate a lot more seasonally.
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So I think our microbiome, which is the trillion of bacteria if you
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would, good and bad, that exists in the large intestine or the colon
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of of your gut, if you would, so your guts right, you're
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small and you're large intestine. When your lifestyle was in touch with naturally keeping
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that microbiome or those bugs balanced, keeping their diversity, keeping the good guys
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elevated and the bad guy at a low level. So everybody kind of was
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organized and did their job when that was all natural. Not only was the
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science not probably there to look at it, but we really didn't need to
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because we didn't have as many autoimmune diseases. We didn't have all the learning
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disabilities that we're seeing now, so we really didn't have the problems that we
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are starting to see. And so as disease states come up, technologies come
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up, and I think that's where the microbiome focus has come because what's happening
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is is that when you the number one thing to keep your microbiome, your
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particular gut bucks who I tell people to think of our guests of your system.
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You don't own them. They are your environment passing through and there's a
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symbiotic there's a friendly relationship. You feed them right, You take them around
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and you give them different kind of healthy foods, and in agreement for taking
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care of them and feeding them well, they will rip that food apart,
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send it into your cells and give you the ability to make ATP or energy.
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And when you don't put healthy things down when you don't vary your plants,
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when you don't make sure that your plants are clean and not sprayed with
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pesticides, when you don't get good sleep and allow them to procreate and replicate,
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when you stress too much, you actually not your gut up and the
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immune system can't grow and the bugs kind of take a beating for that.
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So when you don't take care of your microbiome, which in this twenty four
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seven life that we live, that doesn't happen, bugs leave or bad guys
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come through and overgrow, and you wind up like a tip in the seesaw
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bad game at tug a war. And in that particular situation, what will
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happen is bad guys will overgrow, inflammation will take hold, and you'll start
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to get a breakdown in the lining of the small and large intestine. And
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that's the leaky gut that everybody talks about. So it's the dysregulation of the
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microbiome leading to leaky gut. And then, like anything else, if sewage
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gets into your house or you know, pests and fest your house, what
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happens is your or mold you get sick in your house. Well, it's
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the same thing. If you start getting dead bug particles or food particles into
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your bloodstream, it will cross the blood brain barrier, it will create an
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inflammation process, and autoimmune disease will will develop. So it's that perfect balance
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that now we're looking at to try to reverse some of these diseases rather than
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throw pills on it. Because even throwing pills on them, they're not getting
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better. So it's it's it's looking at that gut balance that's going to keep
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you as healthy and rectangularizer aging as much as possible. So the testing that
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spectra cell does, obviously there is I know there is a test for the
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microbiome, so they can do you can do a stool test, correct,
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but not through spectra cell. Oh it's not spectr cell. Okay, spectra
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cell doesn't do a stool test. So interesting about stool tests. If you
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talk to the really really smart guys of the PhDs in the microbiome, they
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will tell you that the only way that you can really know what your gut
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looks like is to do a biopsy of the inside of your gut. Now
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suboptimal. Nobody really wants to do that, So our next best thing is
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to do a stool test. It's not a great representation, but it's the
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best we have. So there are a handful of companies out there that do
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stool testing. We personally in in our office, we use a Diagnostic Solutions
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GIMAP, and the reason is is in everything that we've researched, it's basically
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a DNA test. So when you give a stool sample and the little bit
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of it gets sent to the lab, they look at the DNA within that
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and they also look at your digestive parameters. So at least you can take
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a step back and go, wait a minute, my digestions off. You
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know, my good bacteria are off, and you can start your healing back
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to balance again. You know a lot of people have issues, maybe shyness,
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I'm not sure you know, but there are issues about doing a stool
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test. It isn't like the easiest thing in the world to accomplish, so
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it takes a commitment. But in the meantime, if you didn't want to
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take that step, which I know is the most revealing as you just describe,
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what about darkfield macroscope? What about sitting in a doctor's office having them
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take a look on the camera at your microbiomee. So that's a really good
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question. But I think here's how everybody's got to look at life. Life
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is sick, non sick, and well. And I think, you know,
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I'm an allopath. I'm an MD. I practice typical allopathic medicine for
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a long time, and I still integrate that in my functional practice. The
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typical alopath, though he's looking for an infection, he's like he's looking for
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Okay, I went out of the country and I ate some raw fish and
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I have giardia or I have you know, cholera. I have some kind
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of parasite. Yea, So now I have diarrhea and I don't feel good
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and I really am sick. Look at that. Give you a diagnosis and
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say, okay, I've got to treat this parasite, which is hugely elevated.
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That's different than the millions of people that walk around with a diagnosis of
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irritable bow or don't realize that their graves disease or their hashimotos hasn't a link
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to their leaky gut and their microbiome tip. And your allopathic doc is going
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to do a stool sample there and he's going to turn around and say you
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don't have an infection. I see so many patients that have all these complaints.
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They'll go to their dock and the doc calls them back and says their
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labs are normal. So it's that unwell state of being that nobody diagnosis diagnoses,
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and then you live unwell for a long time until the inflammation from the
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chronic leaky gut leads to Parkinson's or MS or Graves disease or hashimotos or rhumatardotritis
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or whatever the autoimmune state is. And because so much of our environment is
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sprayed with glyphosate and weed killer, that and that stuff doesn't wash off when
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you wash it in the sink. So if you are somebody who is prone
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genetically to develop a little more inflammation and you don't have to have celiac,
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people go, oh, I don't have celiac. You don't have to have
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celiac. You can have a genetic predisposition to a little more inflammation when you
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eat some of those more aggressive gluten and non clean peptides, and that's going
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to create leaky gut. And again you won't have an allopathic sickness, but
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you will feel bad until over time you get a real diagnosis. Well,
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you just said the names of several conditions that people may not know the meaning
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of. So let's go back for a moment. I know hashimotives. Why
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don't you start with Hashimoto's, graves, and celiac and just define each one
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so people who may have some symptoms can at least be a little more knowledgeable
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about how to describe what they think they might be dealing with. So Celiac
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people know traditionally as an allergic if you will reaction to gluten. And although
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want everybody to realize, is that the same way you have very sensitive feelers
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on your fingers, So when you touch a hot stove, your body says,
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oh my god, that's hot. Let me not go near that anymore.
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The gut is doing nothing different when you put food down it or whatever
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you put down it, a twinky or ring ding or a great vegetable salad,
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and so those those immune cells and those nerve cells in your gut will
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feel and check out the food. If it doesn't like what it feels,
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then it will react. If you carry the gene that is a super hyper
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reaction to that, then you will start to spew so much inflammatory cells that
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it's almost like your gut lining will sluff and then it becomes unusable. And
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that's the bleeding and the dysfunction that people with Celiac disease have. We've just
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labeled that. So all celiac is is a like I said, is a
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dysfunction in the gut or a hyperactivity, just like the poor kid that lights
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up with peanuts or or gets stung by a bee and has a reaction.
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And I always say, maybe you know, great, great, great great
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dinosaur, Grandma, when you had celiac, that was beneficial because if the
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wheat plant was poisonous and you tasted it and you've got diarrhea, you would
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stay away from it. So it's it's not a problem back then. It's
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just now we don't need that anymore. So that creates that quote unquote disease
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state. Will lighten up the reaction a little bit. And imagine you have
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genes that don't quite shoot as much inflammation, but they react a little bit
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to the gluten peptide, which doesn't dissolve in water and is sprayed in glyph
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is safe so it doesn't get broken down in your in your sorry, in
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your stomach, so the hydrochloric acid doesn't break down that peptide, and whin
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it gets into your intestines, you form a little bit of a reaction to
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it will day in, day out again. You will start to create a
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weakening in the lining, and some of the gut particles and the gluten that
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you're eating will get into your bloodstream, so your immune system attacks it,
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which is fine. It's just that the gluten peptide looks just like some of
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the enzymes that make your thyroid hormone. So now that anybody's floating around and
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when it sees the thyroid working, it attacks it. And we see so
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much hypothyroidism, hypo hypothyroid and hyper and it's really an attack. And the
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problem is a lot of the typical alopaths don't check for thyroid proxidates anybodies,
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or thyroglobulin anybody's So the poor person goes doctor to doctor and says, I
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don't feel good, and they go, well, your numbers look pretty good.
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I don't know why you don't feel good, or if it attacks long
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enough, what will happen is is that you'll see a little bit of hypothyroidism.
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So somebody will take a little bit of thyroid port like synthroid or lavaxil,
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But the poor patient still doesn't feel good. And nobody's gone back and
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said, wait a minute. You have hashimotos, which is the thyroid proxidase
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the hypothyroidism, or you have graves, which is causing you this chronic inflammation
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which is why you're tired all the time. Graves will be you can't gain
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weight, Hashimotos we see way more common. The patient says, why do
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I keep gaining weight even though I'm taking my thyroid meds. So it's attacking
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that immune self that gives us trouble, and it's reversing that that is going
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to give us help. And over time it'll again it'll start crossing your blood
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brain barrier. It'll start beating on your telomeres because you just get this inflammation
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that is never put back in check again, and that's where some of that
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downward aging comes in. And worst disease states, Wow, okay, so
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back to my duc cell, just because I want to not forget about that.
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So if you're if you're avoiding the more the more committed tests, let's
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say, and you want to just get a picture a live cell analysis of
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what you're what your insides look like at that moment in time. You can
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see if you've killed off a parasite, or you can see whether you have
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any lymphatic congestion and that type of thing. So do you believe that that
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is a good interim step for people? Would that be something you would do
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in your office? No, I don't. I think it gives you two
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It gives you too much of a false sense of security. So if I've
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got somebody that is trying to do everything right and doesn't feel good, or
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or another words comes in and doesn't feel good, if they don't want to
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do any real testing. Gluten is an inflammatory peptide, So I tell them
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my things. I tell them, go off gluten, go off dairy because
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the kais in which is created in the pasteurization process can be inflammatory. Make
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sure your vitamin D is therapeutic, rotate your plants as much as possible,
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and take your omega three. So if you do those five things, what
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will happen and you stick with it for three months and really stick with it,
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because it takes gluten three months to get out of your system, And
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if you really want to kind of put icing on the top. You put
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a decent quality probiotic in there, because probiotics will calm the immune system,
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they'll sort of rescue some of the good bugs back up again. If you
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do that and you get better, you don't even have to do that,
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and you can move to the higher level. But you don't have to.
27:27
You're you're already going to start to get your gut back in line again.
27:30
That's that's so good. Let's let's take those steps one at a time so
27:34
people can be sure to understand what you just said. Okay, so number
27:38
one, let's start at the top. Okay, the very first thing,
27:44
and that doesn't mean give up gluten free aisle and eat gluten free pasta and
27:48
gluten free pretzels and gluten free. So the positive is is that there's a
27:52
little bit you can buy gluten free cookies that you can have as a treat.
27:56
But now instead of eating cereal in the morning, by coming off of
28:00
gluten, you'll have a hard boiled egg, you'll have a sausage. You
28:04
can have. I have a son, my older son, my med school
28:07
son. I did food sensitivities on him. He can't eat gluten, dairy,
28:11
or eggs, so andy. The other day I bought him a salad
28:15
for dinner. He goes, Mom, I'm gonna eat leftovers for breakfast,
28:17
so I don't care. You can eat chicken and sweet potatoes a lot of
28:19
times. That's what I'll have, you know, half a piece of chicken,
28:22
some sweet potatoes, and maybe a half an avocado. So there's things
28:26
outside the box that you can eat. So pull gluten out completely. But
28:30
if you do have a snack, just make sure it's made with almond flour.
28:34
Where people get into trouble is then all of a sudden, everything goes
28:37
to almond flour. You can't do that. That's too much simple carbohydrate.
28:42
Going off gluten makes you bring some of these other great foods into your system.
28:47
So no gluten. Number two, no dairy, so go to more
28:51
almond milk, coconut milk. Be very careful with your soy milk because American
28:55
soy can be kind of like an estrogen mimicer in other ways the way it's
29:00
processed. So you're better either going off dairy completely, including cheese, and
29:04
have a little bit of almond milk if you want in your coffee. So
29:08
so no gluten, no dairy, make sure your vitamin D is therapeutic.
29:14
What level is that? My rule of vitamin D what you want is between
29:18
sixty and eighty in your doctor's office. You can't walk around with a needle
29:23
in your arm. So what am I today? So my sort of rule
29:27
of thumb is you can buy vitamin D a lot now and drops and each
29:32
drop is a thousand international units most of the time. So if you can
29:36
get sunshine thirty minutes on as much of your body as possible lunch time in
29:41
a day, you don't need your D. And without chemical sun protection because
29:47
the chemicals are toxic and free radicals form people. A lot of people don't
29:52
understand that. They put they still slather the the sun protection on them and
29:59
then they go out in the sun and think they're getting their vitamin D,
30:02
but they're actually just coating themselves with chemicals. Very well said, very well
30:07
said, So you can and people go, oh my god, I got
30:10
to stay out of the sun. I'm not asking you to lay on tinfoil
30:12
on the beach another way like we used to, right, right, remember
30:17
the sunscreen up here? Yeah, yeah, the baby oil and tinfoil.
30:21
Right, So all I'm asking is for you to take a walk lunchtime,
30:26
even in your office. If you're in your office, take your letter off,
30:29
you know that you've had over your T shirt, or just kind of
30:32
let your arms get a little bit of sun and just go for a walk
30:36
outside or just stand outside for ten or fifteen minutes. So if you can
30:40
get a little bit of sun, then I would take two thousand international units
30:44
a d and if it's like it's been in Houston, it's been terrible the
30:48
last few days, you're not getting any sun, then use four thousand.
30:52
And you can either use two thousand international unit capsules and you can do one
30:56
or two, or you can just use the drops. So I would do
31:00
your your no gluten, no dairy, get your vitamin D therapeutic, make
31:04
sure you get your Omega three. That's your fish oil, some people say
31:08
cod liver oil. As long as you're getting a good quality product which is
31:15
giving you what's called EPA and DHA. They each have a really long name.
31:19
But if your product is a decent quality and you just do a thousand
31:25
milligrams of your fish oil and you get that in every day, that's going
31:29
to help your cellular DNA repair and recover. And then rotate your plants.
31:33
Okay, so one stop. Stop for one second, guy in on the
31:37
fish elves, because I think this is a subject that really needs addressing.
31:41
And the reason is that fish els, I would say ninety percent of them
31:45
are tainted. And you don't as a consumer, you don't know that you're
31:49
in the costco wherever you're buying your supplements, which is not where I would
31:53
buy my supplements. But let's just say some people do and or the vitamin
31:59
stores and they don't know the difference. And so a lot of those fish
32:02
hills have not been processed properly and they have heavy mercury. So all you're
32:07
doing is dosing yourself with toxic metals mercury, particularly, instead of the quality
32:15
EPA and DHA that you just described. Right, So how how does the
32:22
consumer know which one to pick? And And before you answer that, I
32:25
would say one other thing that I've studied this and it seems to me that
32:30
krill oil is one of the best choices if you're gonna take it as a
32:36
pill, because it's so it's not a pelagic. A pelagic is a large
32:39
fish that eats on smaller fish, which means more mercury toxicity. Right,
32:45
And but the smaller fish like the krill are in the Antarctic, they're in
32:50
very cold water. There's plenty of them. We're not going to threaten their
32:53
existence by buying them, and it seems like we're less likely to get mercury
33:01
toxicity. Is is that how you feel about the choice of fish oils.
33:07
So you could probably do a whole podcast on that. I think three will
33:12
right and more yea. And my background, my total wheelhouse is not nutrition.
33:17
I've learned as much nutrition as I can, so I can only take
33:21
from what I've learned and give you probably my answer, which will be even
33:24
more confusing. So if you listen to West and a Price, which I
33:28
totally respect. I followed them all the time, and actually listen to a
33:30
great podcast that the head of West and a Price Foundation gave the other day,
33:36
and she made a very good point. She doesn't want any fish oil.
33:38
She only wants codliver. She says, everything's going to be rancid unless
33:42
you do a scoop of codliver. So so that is kind of their big
33:45
push because you're going to get the best epa dha that way. The middle
33:51
of the road. If you take a pharmaceutical grade company, in other words,
33:53
a list of them, or film molecular designs for hell desimagin by adics,
34:00
Nordic naturals. I'm trying to think da vincially. In other words,
34:04
I don't know who else makes fish oil. If you take a pharmaceutical grade
34:07
company, one of these higher level companies, what's going to happen is they're
34:12
going to tell you that there's only five people, like major companies in the
34:15
world that mine fish oil, and it's basically everybody's pulling from the same lump.
34:19
So the question is going to be getting that oil into the capsule to
34:23
the shelf and respecting the shelf life West today prices, I don't care who
34:28
you are, the stuff's going to have a little bit of rancid oil in
34:30
it. If you listen to the PhDs in these labs, and I've talked
34:35
to them, they will tell you that the transition time over is not a
34:39
problem. And if you're buying a pharmaceutical grade company, you're not going to
34:44
have a problem, and you're going to get the dose that you want,
34:46
an appropriate amount, which is going to be clean. Whereas if anything you
34:51
buy off the shelves at Costco, you're going to have more fillers and I
34:53
would never buy my vitamins there. So you have to get away from that.
34:58
The problem we have with some people that they're really price shopping. And
35:00
if you have to cut back, then cut back another channel on the TV
35:05
as opposed to on your vitamins, kind of like don't cut back on your
35:08
meat prices. Do what you need to now. Krill's very interesting and I
35:12
learned a lot of this from Mark Houston, who runs the Hypertension Center in
35:15
Vanderbilt. He's a bright, bright, bright, brilliant guy. He did
35:19
a talk at the American Academy against Aging, and I remember him addressing this
35:22
directly. What I had heard is kids, and I did this with my
35:24
sons for a while. When the boys, with their learning difference and their
35:28
dyslexia were younger, I used more Krill there. I don't know that you
35:34
and Mark Houston will tell you you don't necessarily get a bigger advantage as an
35:39
adult taking Krill oil rather than plain omega. Where you get into trouble.
35:45
That I've learned is old fish. The longer the fishes around, the higher
35:51
chance you have of it getting kind of built up with mercury and ramcidity.
35:55
Correct, So that's that's the problem in the oil. So so I don't
36:00
know that adults have to pay for krill as long as they're getting from again
36:05
from a good pharmaceutical grade company. I think you'll be fine with your good
36:09
fish oil EPA DHA or if you like the idea. If you're okay taking
36:14
a liquid, then the codliver oil is good according to western Ey. So
36:16
just like when we were kids and we hated the cod liver oil, now
36:20
we have to go back and take that again and eat your vegetables. What
36:24
a grandma said, vegetables. That's why she knew exactly. Okay, so
36:29
let's go to the last one, the vegetables, the diet. So let's
36:32
address that for a moment again. So the number one thing to do to
36:37
help your microbiome is actually the number number one thing in animal studies is extreme
36:43
caloric restriction, like extreme that almost wouldn't be compatible with us. And they
36:47
did those studies with mice, so you really can't do that with humans.
36:53
And intermittent fasting again could probably a whole podcast, But separate from that,
37:00
rotate your plants as much color as you can, as much variety, as
37:06
much seasonality as possible. I tell people each eat like the Hasda h a
37:10
z Da and they are a tribe in Africa and they eat six hundred different
37:15
foods. And a great experiment I did a talk today at University of Houston
37:19
in one of the nutrition programs, and I said, a great experiment that
37:22
I learned is take a piece of paper and write down, say, for
37:25
three days, all the different foods you ate. And the average person eats
37:30
about twelve different foods. That's it in their lifetime. Whereas the Hasda and
37:34
some of the you know what we used to but those guys, they eat
37:37
six hundred different foods. So ye, keep keeping a food Wouldn't keeping a
37:42
food diary be a good idea for people who are trying to get their nutrition
37:46
into a new up to a new standard and new level. Is to chronicle
37:51
every day what you've eaten and then look at that at the end of a
37:54
week and say, okay, where do I need to make my adjustments or
37:58
my improvements. Yes, as long as it doesn't make them obsessive. There
38:04
are people that are really trying to get healthy again that they have this relationship
38:08
with food, and I don't want people to go there. What I want
38:10
people to do is turn around and go, oh, this is cool science
38:14
that makes sense. So here's what I'm going to do on Sunday. I'm
38:17
going to go and I may go to my local farmers market and I will
38:20
walk, I'll be with somebody, I'll take a friend. So now you
38:22
have relationships, you're happy, you're outside, you're supporting local economy, you're
38:27
eating seasonally. I mean, there's nothing better than a walk to the farmer's
38:30
market and buying stuff there. I want life changes, not somebody that wakes
38:35
up in the morning it goes, oh my god, I got to deal
38:37
with this food thing again. So the concept of writing your foods down,
38:40
the twelve different foods or your few different days, is to see, yeah,
38:44
that you may only eat twelve different foods in a month. So how
38:47
do I expand my horizon? You know, take your phone with you when
38:51
you go shopping. Look at a brand new vegetable you never heard of?
38:52
In Google? How do I cook? I don't know karabi or bach joy,
38:58
And usually within two seconds, Google will send you an easy recipe that
39:01
you can then add this to your armamentarium and healthy life. That is such
39:07
good advice, I am truly, So tell us about your typical day and
39:14
diet, and how you mentioned that you might eat in the morning chicken and
39:19
vegetables. So give us a little insight into how a doctor who is very
39:24
healthy, very fit. And obviously you've been a triathlete. You I didn't
39:29
really get into that all your past, but you certainly have had a fitness
39:34
quotient in your history. So share with us what your typical day would be
39:40
food wise. So I love to run, I bike, I swam.
39:45
I do a lot of yoga now in other words, and I try not
39:46
to be hard on myself if the day is crazy and I don't get my
39:50
exercise in, so I again try to keep it pleasant. What I have
39:53
found is if I make more at night, it makes the next day easy.
39:59
So I I'm a terrible and so I don't do well with recipes.
40:02
It would stress me out too much to walk around with the recipe, so
40:07
I just keep it simple. So I will at night make a very large
40:12
medley of vegetables. I convection roast them, so I walk through. In
40:16
Houston, we have Central Market and they have tons of colorful vegetables in there.
40:21
So I use avocado oil and I sprinkle that on the tray, and
40:25
I cut a bunch of different vegetables. And that's what I want people to
40:28
get into. Don't just make brussels sprouts. Do a little bit of everything
40:31
in color. Throw carrots, throw brussels sprouts. Maybe throw on the stove
40:36
some cabbage and coconut oil. But in this tray, I put a bunch
40:37
of vegetables, so I make extra. I do the same thing with all
40:42
different of my carbohydrates, new potatoes, sweet potato cubes, the purple potatoes.
40:49
So then I will cook that, but I make a lot of extra.
40:52
And then let's say I make salmon for dinner, I make an extra
40:54
one or two pieces. So then after dinner I will eat into my lunch
41:00
tray container. I will throw some of the vegetables, some of the potatoes
41:06
in a piece of salmon, and now lunch is ready the next day and
41:07
you don't have to think about it. Or and then in the morning whatever's
41:12
left over from dinner. So sometimes I can eat eggs my sun a camp
41:15
so I may have a hard boiled egg with some leftover vegetables with some sweet
41:20
potatoes. A lot of times when people aren't big meat eaters, what I
41:22
do is I tell them use buffalo or a mix of turkey or something ground
41:28
and ground that meat. Now take that and stick it in a pan and
41:30
coconut oil brown it, and then put all kinds of cabbage and all kinds
41:34
of vegetables in it. So a lot of times I'll have that, and
41:37
I'll eat that for breakfast with a little bit of the potatoes on the side,
41:39
and when my kids are home, that's what they'll eat. So that's
41:43
my breakfast. I think I've had a good day if I can put vegetables
41:45
into my breakfast. And then in Houston, we have a lot of microgreens,
41:50
so I try lunchtime in a salad to vary the lettuce and then throw
41:53
some different microgreens in there. You can buy edible flowers that you can kind
41:58
of rip into pieces and put in and I sometimes throw fruit in that,
42:00
so I'll throw raspberries or blueberries into the salad with oil and vinegars. So
42:05
I'm getting good fat while I'm getting my greens, and then my leftover dinner
42:09
is there for lunch. And even when I was delivering babies. There's nothing
42:14
wrong with eating food at room temperature. There was a lot of times.
42:15
What would happen is is I would see patients in the morning and then I
42:19
would have to go do a C section lunchtime and then go back to patients.
42:22
So I would bring the container and by the time I got from the
42:23
office to the hospital, the food was room temperature. And eating potatoes at
42:30
room temperature. Remember years ago we called it potato salad. At the picnic,
42:34
I wouldn't put mayonnaise in. But even eating potatoes at room temperature,
42:37
they are actually called resistant starches and they are very good for you. The
42:42
gut microbiome loves them. So when you heat your potatoes, you actually open
42:46
up the sugars and you increase the glycemic index. Eat your carbohydrates at room
42:52
temperature, and they've even done studies on this. With spaghetti. You don't
42:57
spike that blood sugar as much, so you can eat that at room temperature.
43:00
And then I will eat some kind of fish. I try to eat
43:04
fish two or three times a week, or meat, and then I'll start
43:06
dinner and start the process all over again. And if you make a little
43:08
bit of extra there is always extra. And the big thing is is that
43:14
if you eat food and you move your body, you really don't even have
43:17
to count calories as much because we overeat hyper palatable foods that are designed to
43:24
addict us. And if you limit and you go back to healthy, just
43:30
real food, you'll find that you won't overeat as much as you think you
43:34
will. So take a moment with the lectins and the nightshades. And because
43:37
I know we're going to run out of time, and there's just so much
43:40
information to cover here, but those are two subjects that I think we need
43:45
to address for anyone who's going to improve their diet. So let's talk about
43:50
the lectins and how they can cause weight gain and what foods are let intense,
43:54
and then move to the night shades because they are actually cousins. So
44:00
if you could talk about most of those for a moment. So, so
44:02
my feeling with that is that I think will I well, I've read the
44:08
plant paradox and I've studied all of that. I think the problem you run
44:13
into is then people start to get literally food crazy, and then they go
44:17
that, oh my god, I can only eat air. So so I
44:21
mean, that's what happens, well, I can't eat this, and do
44:22
I eat an autoimmune paleo and what so. So the lessons are more of
44:27
your seeds, your tomato type foods that are going to give you seeds into
44:30
your system. And again the issue with this is if you have an inflammation
44:38
problem, it may make it worse. But I still go back to same
44:45
thing with night shades, and there are people that can that react more to
44:50
the night shade family. But if somebody watching this turns around and says,
44:54
I can't eat this and I can't eat that, they'll be in a lot
44:57
of trouble. So I think sometimes what happens is if you pull the gluten
45:00
out because we know it's inflammatory, and you eat clean I did an interview
45:07
in Houston on the news and they asked about the plant paradox because Kelly Clarkson,
45:12
I think, talked about following that and she got off her thyroid and
45:15
she was feeling better. But if you listen to her interview, she says,
45:19
yeah, and I started to eat organic and I started to eat cleaner.
45:22
So I don't know for the initial person that you have to worry as
45:27
much about that. Initially, start your basic cleanup and then see where your
45:31
gut is. It may be that those tomatoes and those seeded plants aren't going
45:37
to bother you. And my biggest understanding that doctor Gundry talks about is that
45:44
because I say, live in Canada and I'm eating a lectin type food in
45:50
the winter, what's happened is it's been picked early and shipped up, and
45:54
so the seeds and the inflammatory parts of that plant are still there, Whereas
46:00
if you eat seasonally in your neighborhood, you probably won't wind up with as
46:06
much of a problem because you're going to eat what grows low. So the
46:09
message there is as close to home as you can. If you're in California,
46:14
like like I am, it's so easy you can buy local anywhere,
46:17
and in Houston you can do that during your summer months, of course,
46:22
but I think that's a good guideline for people is the more you can buy
46:24
local, the fresher the produce is going to be, and the fewer the
46:30
side effects that we're talking about, like like the lect negative impact. And
46:35
by the way, if anyone doesn't know, doctor Stephen Gundry wrote The Plant
46:38
Paradox, and he is a former cardiologist. He still has a cardiology practice,
46:44
but much more limited, and he's been basically commercializing his knowledge with incredibly
46:51
interesting articles and products. Of course, some people think that, you know,
46:58
moving over to the commercializations side is a sellout, but I think he's
47:02
helping a lot of people. And I do use his products occasionally too,
47:07
and if the products are checked, that's why I try to tell people that's
47:09
probably going to be your biggest key. What you hope is is that Gundry's
47:15
a duck and deep in our heart, and I see it in my poor
47:19
son. It was so hard to go to college and to get it.
47:22
Just getting into medical school. They do a white coat ceremony for the kids
47:27
now, just to say hey, you made it. And then you suffer
47:29
through med school, and you suffer and through residency. And I love what
47:32
I do. We love helping people. So Gundry's a duck at heart.
47:37
We really want to help people. So the good part of his products,
47:39
you hope is that he's vetted um for you. That's right. I just
47:43
want to go back to if somebody's watching this and turns around and says,
47:46
man, I just don't feel good, where do I start? I just
47:50
don't want them so deep down the rabbit hole that they everything just stops.
47:55
And so if that's why I want, we want to bring basics and then
48:00
study more. Go to a functional medicine doc. Read the plant paradox,
48:04
maybe pull those out, then say no, think about night shades. So
48:07
in other words, just just keep your balance. And I think that's what's
48:10
important. I think what you've done today for all of us is very compelling
48:15
because you've simplified it to five steps. And they think, if we can
48:20
just put those five steps into action first like you described, and then if
48:25
we need to fine tune later, like nightshades being more acidic vegetables like like
48:30
eggplant and tomatoes and corn, I guess corn and peppers, and you know
48:37
the vegetables that may not agree with you because you're already very acidic and you
48:42
need to get more Alkalie. Those are the kinds of things you go to.
48:45
I think in the next stage, if you try to do everything at
48:49
once, like you said, Diane, you're going to be crazy, and
48:52
you will and then you'll and then you'll throw your hands up in despair and
48:54
you'll fail. So the best thing is to do little steps, Baby,
48:59
step to get you success, so that reinforces your ability to take the next
49:04
step. And as you start feeling better, of course you're gonna be wanting
49:07
to take more and more steps into health, because there's nothing more important other
49:13
than love than our health. Without health, we have nothing. And I
49:17
learned just a quick story, and I learned that even what happens with life
49:22
is that no matter how hard you try, life gets in the way.
49:24
And that's where people can give up. And I learned that when I was
49:28
training for my iron Man. When I did Iron Man Maryland, I was
49:30
trained, I had a coach, I was ready to go, and I
49:34
remember being at the start line, ready to get into the water, and
49:37
I had a breakdown. I started to cry, and I mean, I
49:39
was ready to do this. And a really nice lady came, she must
49:43
have been there supporting her husband with her three kids, and she said to
49:45
me, don't worry about this, You're gonna be fine. Just go take
49:49
that first stroke, and she wiped love. We wipe my eyes off,
49:52
and I put my goggles off on and I stepped in the water and I
49:55
took one stroke, and I took another, and twelve and a half hour
50:00
later, across the finish Stoo. What a great story. Well, you
50:04
know we're gonna run out of We're gonna run out of time, so we're
50:07
gonna have to have you come back because we do need to talk about these
50:09
other issues that are Let's say today we went through grade school and now we
50:15
need to get into college, and then into graduate school and then even further.
50:22
So you have the stepping stones for us. Diane, this has been
50:24
fascinating. I know that I want to come and spend some time with you,
50:30
either either by phone or are in persons if I can get to Houston.
50:36
But how would our viewers contact you? And what is it that you
50:39
want to do if they how would you like to work with them if they
50:44
do want to contact you. So I think the best thing for everybody is
50:49
education. So if you go to our website, Dian Ginsberg, m D,
50:52
you'll see that there is a video blog and there's probably fifteen twenty videos
50:58
on there that can give you some basic info that reiterates a lot of what
51:00
I talked about. Number one. Number two, you can go to our
51:04
YouTube page, Diane Gensburg, MD. So this is going to give you
51:07
the wherewithal of understanding a little where your weakness is. And then if you
51:13
come back on the website, if you want to do an initial consult,
51:16
we can do it via zoom, we can do it via phone, or
51:19
we can do it in person. But we try to give you the tools
51:22
to give you some basic understanding and go, oh, this is where I
51:24
think my weakness is. So a combination of your education with what we can
51:30
do. And we can do blood tests, it doesn't matter where you are,
51:31
and then stool and saliva. All of that goes without saying we can
51:35
ship you kits whatever we need to do, but start your education with our
51:38
website and our YouTube page and then it'll send you down the road to contact
51:43
if you want to work with that, that's perfect. And I know you
51:45
said that you wanted to give ageless and timeless viewers consideration. So what would
51:52
you like them to use when they contact you directly with the coupon code?
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Let's call it of a list. If that's the best way to have them
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to tell you that they've found out about you on this podcast. Absolutely,
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So what we want to do is we want to encourage as many people as
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possible to come in so we can help them. So what we tried to
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do is keep a hybrid practice. In other words, I take insurance.
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I want to be able to give people an introduction that way, I can't
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do a lot with insurance. But some of the lab companies and some of
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the testing is not insurance doesn't cover. So using age lists, anybody that
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mentions this that any of the testing that is not covered by insurance that I
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can give a break to, We're happy to give twenty percent off too.
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Oh that's great, okay, perfect. And then what if they want in
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the consultation is the first fifteen minutes or so is that complimentary or is that
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is that something that they have to have a payment plan set up? So
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what we do our initial consult is very inexpensive. I am expensive. And
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the only reason that I don't I think we try to work it through your
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insurance because you can even do telemedicine. Now, okay, I can do
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that as much as possible, because spending fifteen minutes with somebody in this situation,
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you go back to the same like an allopath. So we try to
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book those to thirty to forty five minutes to find an understanding of where you
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are a lot of people will come and say, my hormones are a problem,
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but I need twenty minutes or thirty minutes after reviewing your paperwork, which
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I review the night before, to kind of have a conversation to go,
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wait a minute, we got to look at your guts. So we run
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a lot of that through telemedicine with insurance. Okay, that's a good point.
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I realize now that as long as you are accepting insurance, because today
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many of the functional medicine doctors do not accept insurance, or if they do,
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it's very minimal. So well, I'm so sad to say goodbye to
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you today, Diane. This is the time has just flown by. I
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hope you've enjoyed sharing. Thank you, yes, and we'll have you back
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at another time. Thank you again, and I hope you have a beautiful
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day. Thank you too, be healthy, Thank you you too. Bye
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bye. Well I think we oh not. I think I know that I
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learned a tremendous amount today, and I hope all of you did as well.
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Diane has both the experiential of course with all her credentials, and the
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life force. You probably noticed how energetic she is and how much life is
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in her, and that is something that doesn't just happen. It comes from
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her being very conscious of everything she described today. So please you know,
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if you need to ask me any questions about today's interview with her, contact
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me through my website Ageless and Timeless dot com or go to Diane's website as
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she described. And she also has a funny, acute little name that I
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asked her about. It called the Institute, and so you can always look
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at her the Institute Functional Medicine, as well as her website that she gave
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to you. So thank you for joining us today. I hope you've learned
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a lot about your health and wellness and that you'll take those important steps to
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improving and living and ageless and timeless life. This is Michelle Hughes. Thank
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you again,