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#177 - Chad from Valyear · The Chris and Mike Show

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Oh, Horseman, remember that? You took it right out of my
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mouth. Good job, Chad.
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I love this guy more. They were wicked.
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I love those there man. Yes, yeah, that shit still pumps
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in my head all the time. Yeah, that's how you know it's a
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good song, man. You.
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Don't want to laugh? Dad, you said it was easy.
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Oh I love this guy more already. Are you?
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Are you? Do you subscribe to the
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hairstyle? Yeah.
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Welcome, Chad. Hey, welcome, Chad.
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Hey, welcome to the Welcome to the Christian Mike show.
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Christian mikeshow.com. And look, Sergeant Dunham just
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timed in What? Up.
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Hello son Marine, thanks for chatting in.
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Yeah, Sergeant Dunham is my son, Chad.
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Just so you know, he's, I love it.
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He's the United States. He's the United States Marine.
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Thank you for your service. Absolutely.
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Thank you for your service, brother.
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Yeah, I. Was going to say you could see
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the if I adjust accordingly. Nice.
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Love it. That's.
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The love it. That's the Delta company he
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graduated from, so he's a bad. Ass and he's the coolest kid on
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the planet, I believe and. It was, and it was our first,
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and it was our first guest ever on a Christian lake show.
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Also a true story. Amazing.
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Yeah, yeah. So it's it's cool.
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So you guys were golden moment even while I was getting ready
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to hop on the show. So why don't you kind of just
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tell the world who you are, Chad, while you're here?
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I recognize the name now because the record label this Valier.
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So now I get it, I get it. Is it?
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Did I say the right Valier? Valier, Yeah.
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Valier. Valier.
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OK, cool. Right now.
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As long as you don't pronounce it the way it's supposed to be
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pronounced, like all French, like valier, Valier is fine.
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OK, cool. So tell us who you are, why
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you're here, and what we're going to do to help promote you.
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Well, my name is Chad Valier. I sing for the band Valier.
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No ego involved. The the reason we called the
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band Valier is because throughout time, this band saw
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many incarnations and every time somebody would leave or quit or
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I'd have to have them removed or it turned into one of those,
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well, you know, you can't do this song because I Co wrote it.
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And it's like, yeah, you did, but so did three other people,
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right. And so finally, the producer, my
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producer, Sean Gregory, he brilliant guy, he said, why
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don't you call the band Valyer? And I was like, absolutely not,
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not a chance. I hate it when bands do that.
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I'm not doing it. And he goes, well, how many
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times are you going to do this? He goes, every time I see you
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rolling uphill, something happens.
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You got to start again because you got to change the name,
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right? He's like, stop doing that.
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If you join Valyer, you know what you're walking into, right?
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And I mean, yeah, we're very much a democracy.
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Like we're very, you know, everybody's got their say and,
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and but we all just know enough not to step on each other's
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toes, right? Yeah.
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And at the end of the day, I mean, I hate to say it, but I
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mean, I got the power of veto, really, you know, and it's just
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it's better that way. But I mean, when you're working
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with guys who are like minded, I put it this way, I've never had
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to do it. So that's cool.
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Mike had to Mike. Mike had to do it before I
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joined the band just because the singer refused to churn around
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and play in front of a crowd of people.
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So they had to fire him and then and then, and then they found
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me. By the grace of you know, all
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things rock and. Roll Atta boy.
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Atta boy. Life changed for it, yeah.
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Well, they can't fire me. Life changed forever.
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You know what was crazy, Chad? We couldn't fire each other.
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That band depended on every member.
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We knew it there. There was no, there was none of
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that ego like you just said. Well, that's how I feel about
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the guys I play with right now. Like we, we run into some
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drummer issues, like we've just got a new drummer.
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His name's Manet Raviero. But I've been with Joe and Jeff
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for we've been in this carnation of the band for 11 years
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together, right. And you know, when I put the
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band together in like 2014, it was me and a bunch of studio
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guys. I was having guys come in and
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writing with me and my producer writes.
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So we were doing all this stuff and Revolution Fear, the first
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album we put out was basically like, it started out as a
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skeleton put together by me and some studio guys.
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And then when I brought Joe and Jeff, and I've known Joe since I
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was 10 years old. Our sisters were friends, right?
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And, and I've known Jeff for, you know, 20 years or something.
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And Jeff's kind of been in and out of different incarnations,
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but Jeff, he didn't leave for any bad reason.
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Just sometimes life would come up or like priorities and he'd
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just be like, dude, I can't do this and I have to find another
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guy. But then whenever he was free
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again, I'd pull him back because, you know, like, I don't
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think any of us are like these phenomenal, like Dream Theater
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type musicians. But whatever it is, we're, we're
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together. We do it really well, you know,
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And The thing is with me and and Joe and Jeff is it's like
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because we've been together so long, we speak the exact same
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language, you know, and we're not afraid to go.
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That sucks, you know, like that's not good enough for and
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we don't do like assholes. We just do it like, you know
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what I mean? You know better than that or you
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know what I mean? And and I'm not feeling that,
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you know what I mean. We get guys, you know, we've had
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a couple drummers and and the cool thing is, aside from one
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drummer, we're still friends with all of them, you know what
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I mean? Because we don't we don't leave
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things on bad turns with people. And I'm just not a shitty guy,
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you know what I mean? Like it it, if it's not working,
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it's not working and and I don't want to hold you hostage in
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something you're not happy in, right?
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But then we have to. Get a bad question?
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Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, well, I have a because I
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don't want to lose my thought. I have a question about like,
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you can change, no offense, Mike, but you can change guitar
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players and bass players, right? Because they just kind of get to
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learn the songs. But I mean, you know, OK, but
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you follow me here. Like, like, like, like, like
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Cliff died. God rest his soul.
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Newstead came in and you didn't really miss a beat, right?
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I mean from from a musical standpoint, that was a really
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good replacement. I'm cutting that out.
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That's a. Clip Well, but you know what,
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right? But I mean, Cliff was Cliff and
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you can't you can't ever dispute that.
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But nobody better than Jason, I think could have filled that
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role. OK, so where I'm going with?
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Couldn't agree with you more. OK.
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Thank you. So where I'm going with this is
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this singers and drummers, OK, the singer is always going to
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have some type of ego. And now not lead singer disease.
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There's a difference, some type of ego because they we have to
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own our place on stage. We have to have the presence, we
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have to have the charisma. So even though we're coming in
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and singing, Mike blessed me enough to where I didn't have to
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sing the songs that were written with the other singer.
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He gave me the music and allowed me to rewrite those songs.
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So in doing so, it gave me ownership, right?
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But a lot of bands, right, you have to come in Van Halen.
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Sammy had to come in and sing this, the Van Hagar stuff and
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then sing the Van Halen, right. So when you we never, I've never
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been in a band, we had to replace a drummer.
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So when this was, which is where I'm going with this, when you
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have to replace a drummer, how hard is that?
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Because the drummer is such a major backbone of a band.
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Well, for us it became they're. Almost black crows, right?
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Because for one, the drummer we started with, so like we have
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OK, so I can take you through like, and I won't, it won't be
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like, you know, super long range, but I'll kind of take you
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through a couple things. So like when, when I first put
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value together, we had a guy and, and you know, he would, you
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know, when I got clean. So I I'm, I'm in recovery,
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right. And so when I got good, good for
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you, man. How long have you got?
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I got 21 years as of February. I'm coming up on five in May,
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right so, but I've been in recovery for 10 years.
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I only got 5. Clean Right 18.
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So, but anyway, so I first went to treatment like 10 years ago
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when I got out, Joe and Jeff, that's when, you know, we
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really, or sorry, it was a little bit before that.
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But anyway, we had this one drummer and he I don't know what
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it was, man. Like he was OK.
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Like it wasn't that he was bad. It's just, you know, I don't
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recall ever playing a set that he played perfect, you know what
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I mean? I don't mean perfect.
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Like, you know, it just there was always mistakes in it and
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they were big ones, right? But he was always the first guy
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to go. Chad, you came in three seconds
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late there. And it's like probably I'm a
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singer. Like that's kind of what I do,
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you know? So after a while, like, it was
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like, OK, I just don't want to work with this guy.
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No bad, no hard feelings. But you got to go, right?
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And then we got our boy Nick and Nick's still a really good
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friend of ours. But Nick is really, you know, he
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was really, when he first came to us, he wasn't very busy
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because not a lot of people knew who he was.
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And then at the more he played, well, he played with us for like
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5 or 6 years and the better he got and he, he got really good,
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like really good. And he did the albums with us.
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Both are albums Nick played on. And Nick all of a sudden became
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really in demand, right? And then we're we're an original
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band, right? And we're not in the cool guy
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clique. So we don't have money to offer,
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you know what I mean? It's like we're we're lucky if
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we're getting paid a lot of gigs, you know what I mean?
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We get paid, but like, not like Matchbox 20 money or anything,
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you know, So you know, when when the when the opera started
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coming to him, it was really hard for him because he wants to
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play music for a living, right? And we all do.
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But but now he can because he's an in demand musician.
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Like drummers are hard to find. And you know, there was a couple
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situations when we called on him and he's been more than willing
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to help, right? But then we, you know, when I
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just gave him the grace and I said, OK, like, I think if
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that's what you want to do, then you need to do that, brother.
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No hard feelings go. But the thing was, if Nick wrote
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a lot of really difficult parts, like Nick is a really.
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Good. That's why I was doing.
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So the guy we replaced him with, you know, I knew him, you know,
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through recovery and you know, when he first came around, like
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he, I would say Nick would be on par with someone like, I don't
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want to say Mike Portnoy because, but like the same kind
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of style, you know what I mean? Like very technical, a lot of
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fills, a lot of stuff going on. And we brought in a guy who was
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a lot like Tommy Aldridge, right?
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So nothing wrong with either drummer, but very different.
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So watch him come in and try to play a style And like, so we
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allowed him, we gave him the freedom to kind of do it his
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way, providing it starts and ends in the right spots, you
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know what I mean? But when that happened, the ego
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with this guy just off the off the train, like I, I was just
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like, what is up with this guy, man?
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And like the level of toxicity and negativity this guy brought.
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Like the first few months couldn't ask for a better guy.
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And as soon as he got comfortable, man, and I knew
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this guy for a while, you know, like he just, you know, I don't
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know, like what he thought like he wanted to come in and kind of
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run the band or something. And I was just like, and then
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he, you know, I missed a rehearsal one time because I was
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sick, and they rehearsed without me.
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And he went to the guys. He just told them basically,
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like, I was a piece of shit and we need to do it.
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Yeah. I was just like, so.
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And he thought, like, I don't know.
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He thought, These guys I've known for 20 and 40 years.
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Like if you check the name of the band.
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And I said that to him, right? And, and here's the thing.
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And, and I never let spirituality or politics affect
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my friendship with somebody. Like, I don't care who you vote
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for. I don't care who you pray to,
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right? I will decide what, where you
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fit in my world, right? That's how that works.
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And I don't want to talk about the United States's shitty
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government. I could care less about it,
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right? I know it affects me.
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I know all that stuff. But if if a Canadian is sitting
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here and all he talks about is Donald Trump, then there's a
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problem, right? And it's like, I don't want to
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talk about your shitty government.
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We have our shitty government, you know.
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Right, because here's the thing, here's the thing, we're not
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changing each other's governments.
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Like, so if, if all we do is consume our thoughts and want to
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argue about it, you got to step back and just let the the
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government's do what they do because we're nobody.
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We're these tiny little Yeah, what point have you ever?
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This giant pond. Yeah, what point have you ever
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seen a conservative and a liberal sit down and go?
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Well, thank you for changing my mind, Right, Yeah.
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What what like the only the the here's here's something I saw
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the other day. You remember who who Jesse the
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body Ventura was from wrestling, of course.
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OK. And then he was the governor of
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Minnesota, I think. Yep.
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So he he had this perfect thing. I saw it.
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It popped up on a reel. You take away the parties and
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just put the names, Donald Trump, Kamala Harris, that's it.
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And then guess what? It puts ownership on you, the
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voter, to find out who these people are because you don't
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have the party associated with. So therefore you you don't know
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who's Democrat and who's Republican.
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You have to focus on the person that's running.
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I thought that was a brilliant. Sorry.
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Go ahead, Mike. The three of us just kind of
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said what people need to do. We're we're doing it right now.
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You're talking to people one-on-one, right?
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Let's solve these problems one-on-one is people.
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We're not going to attack an entire government and the
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government's not going to attack us individually, but they're
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going to chip away at the stone, right?
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We need to do the same thing from the bottom and I.
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Just I get tired like I'm not AI, I'm slowly becoming sort of
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like because like I was in active addiction for so many
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years that my only, my only concern was getting on stage and
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singing and finding the next fix.
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So when I got clean, I mean well.
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Part of singing. Part of singing anyway, right?
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So when I got clean, the hard part for me was realizing the
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state of the world, right? And it's like then I start going
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down these rabbit holes and it's like, you know, and then people
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want to talk about things. And again, nobody wants to talk
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to work things out. People want to talk to tell you
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you're wrong, right? So it's like it's like my leader
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did this, but your leader did this, but you know, you know, he
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was only here this many times, but mine was here this many
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times and it's OK that he did this because he did it for this.
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But you're and it's like where you getting your information
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from, you know, and what is that ever really exhausted with one
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sided, you know, it's it's. How many problems have been
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solved in those conversations? I've never even.
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I couldn't even imagine 0.0 because it's rhetoric, right?
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And at the end of the day, if you think that either side is
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anything, then you OK, You know what I mean?
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Like you think you think the government is getting up in the
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morning going what is in the best interest of the people?
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Here's what I've been saying a lot lately too.
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I don't. Know if you want to just and I
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mean, I'm not red, I'm not. If you want to just bitch at me,
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like I've been saying this a lot lately.
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If you just want to bitch at me, I'll, I'll listen.
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But if you actually want to hear the truth, then you need to shut
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up and I'll tell you what it is. Or I'll say I don't know, you
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know, and we'll move on from there.
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But the difference between me and most people is you just said
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it. They want to tell you how you're
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wrong. Right.
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And and you're not going to, because it's like, if you can
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hate everything about anybody, then I think you're probably the
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problem, right? Because I'll tell you this man,
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even Hitler had a dog. Like, you know what I'm saying?
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So it's like, if, if the only you can't find one good thing
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about anybody, then I really think that there is some work
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you have to do, man, Because it's like, like I said, I mean,
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I don't like the state of the world right now.
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I'm terrified, you know, and the only thing that saved me is the
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fact that I know that this is all temporary in the big
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picture, right? Like I know my life is going to
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far surpass the, the earthly level, you know what I mean?
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So I'm not kidding, you know, I, I, I hate the thought of the
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world going on without me. I got to be honest.
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Well. Everybody does, I think.
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To some level. But see, here's the thing
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though, I don't I could care less what the world is right now
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because it doesn't affect my day-to-day life, right?
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The world is the world. I just I just live in it.
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So all this being said, we got so far off topic because we're
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talking about music, not politics, right?
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Thank you. So we're going to go.
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We're going to go back. To all he wanted to do was talk
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about politics and, and, and he wanted to argue with.
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And see what it does. With me and then finally we were
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just like the level of toxicity I saw with this dude.
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It was, I just was like, I can't do do this with you anymore
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because I try to work with people's behavior because that's
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kind of what my job is. I'm in social work outside of
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music, right? So my job is to understand
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people, right. When I've seen a level of
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toxicity like I, I remember the last thing I said to him was I
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want to work with you on this, but I've never seen this before.
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I don't know what this is. So you got to go right?
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And you know, it wasn't pretty. And he's the only guy that we we
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part a ways with in any bad way. What?
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Was his response to that Chad? What was his response to that
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when you? You guys are shit bags.
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You're dumb. You, you know, you're toxic.
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It's you guys. I was never really a member and
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it's like I tried, you know what I mean?
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And he's still going. On SO, it just became people.
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Still come to me. Going it just became more of the
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same well. Put it this way, like there's,
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there comes a point in somebody's life where I mean,
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if, if I keep running into the same problem all the time,
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eventually I got to realize what the common denominator is,
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right? And it's like this guy has the
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exact same, he's always at war with somebody.
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There's always somebody who just doesn't understand him.
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And I'm like, OK, man, we'll go do that over there.
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Like maybe you need to do your own thing.
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So I let him go. And then we ended up, you know,
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with the new guy and he's, you know, you know, he's Manet.
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He's he's wicked. He's a great drummer, very
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enthusiastic. And he's like a, he's right in
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between Portnoy and Tommy Aldridge, right?
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Like he's somewhere right in the middle for his style.
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And he came in when he auditioned and he learned the,
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the record and he came in and he just played it right, you know,
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And it's always, you know, it's always the, the, the, what do
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you call it? The, the honeymoon phase, you
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know, comes in for a minute and then then it starts becoming
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work again. And so, you know, you got to
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learn how to work with someone new again, right?
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And not becomes difficult because it's like, we do it this
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way and then we bring in this guy and he wants to do it away.
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And we're going like, hey, wait, no, like this is ours and that,
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but we want to give it to you. But we don't want to.
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You know what I mean? So we got to figure that out,
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right? But we have we we've come to a
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really awesome place and I really like it.
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That's good. Yeah.
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But drummers are hard, man. That's good.
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They are, yeah. That's, and that's kind of where
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I was going with it because again, singers and drummers,
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they have to have so much of themselves put into the music,
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especially from a recording standpoint, writing standpoint,
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even more so from a performance standpoint, that to me, we've
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yet to replace those two elements in a band.
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That's got to be the most difficult pieces to replace
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because there's so many levels to being a singer, but there's
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so many levels to being a drummer too.
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And people out in the public watching the bands don't realize
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how intricate A drummer truly is when it comes to the creation of
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music and the following the beats.
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I mean, Scott would change something on a song at at
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rehearsal and I'd be like, holy shit, right.
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Like that just changed the dynamic of the song.
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It will something as simple as a simple grab in the right place,
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you know what I mean? Like, you know, and I, you know,
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and so like when you bring a guy in, you know, and you've already
19:40
got 2 albums worth of material and certain things are there for
19:44
certain reasons. You know, there's certain cues
19:46
and there's certain, you know what I mean?
19:48
And and it's like you got to, you know, it's, it's hard to
19:52
look at a guy and go, no, I need you to play it exactly like
19:54
that. Right, right.
19:56
It makes me feel bad to do that. But there's some parts where
19:58
it's like this is non negotiable.
20:01
You have to. Yeah, you could.
20:02
You have to. Could you imagine going into
20:03
Tool and doing things your way? It wouldn't work.
20:07
It just wouldn't like. And you can't replace a guy like
20:09
Danny Carey anything. You just can't.
20:11
No. Well, that's that's kind of like
20:13
Rush going on tour without Neil Pert.
20:15
It's not Rush. Fuck off.
20:16
I love Geddy. I love Rush.
20:17
I love Neil. Right.
20:18
I love them all. I call it what it is.
20:19
You can't go on tour. You can't go on tour without
20:22
Rush. Without.
20:23
Without. Yeah.
20:25
You can't go on. Zeppelin's not Zeppelin without
20:27
Bonham. I don't care if it's son plays
20:29
or not. It's not Bonham.
20:30
It's not Bongo. You're gonzo.
20:32
He's just you. Just.
20:33
Yeah. Go ahead, Mike.
20:33
I can't call it Van Halen anymore, right?
20:35
No, it's Van Halen, Yeah. And you know what though?
20:38
Like the cool thing about that kind of stuff is, is.
20:40
Oh, with, you mean with Eddie? If they go back without Eddie,
20:42
Yeah, that's not bad. Yeah, you.
20:43
Couldn't recreate Van Halen. You can't recreate LEDs up.
20:46
You guys are right, there's just certain members of certain bands
20:50
that. The doors, They're irritatingly.
20:53
The Doors, Did you hear the albums they did?
20:54
Without. Jim.
20:57
No, because that's how bad they were.
20:58
Yeah, it was terrible man. I get it.
20:59
Just out of curiosity, did it ever suck?
21:02
Like beyond sucks like UN unlist Almost like put it in a worse
21:07
insane anger. Wow.
21:10
That band might be the best example of a rock band that you
21:16
could never recreate without one of those members.
21:19
They they were so unique to each other.
21:22
You had a flamenco guitar player, a jazz drummer, a poet
21:27
and a classically trained pianist.
21:29
Well, that's kind of how I feel with with Joe and Jeff.
21:31
And thank God I've never, you know, I've never had to part
21:34
ways with them or replace either of them because sadly, you know,
21:38
like, and I don't want to say the drummer's expendable because
21:40
that's not what I'm saying. It's like, but we've had no
21:42
choice but to, you know what I mean?
21:44
So it's like we, we learned that we can, but the thought of
21:48
replacing Joe or Jeff, for me, it just, it wouldn't make sense,
21:52
you know what I mean? And and being the singer of the
21:53
band too, I noticed like a lot of, a lot of articles get
21:57
written about me because it's my name.
21:59
It's me. And I don't think Joe and Jeff
22:02
get a lot of of the attention or the recognition they deserve
22:05
because. These.
22:07
Songs are not written only by me.
22:09
I don't play anything, you know? And it's like so the music.
22:13
But you do. But you.
22:14
But I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop you there
22:16
because Mike and I have had this debate with a lot of other bands
22:19
that have come on this show. Yeah, singers do play.
22:22
Our voices are our instrument. We have an input, how the song
22:24
is written, the dynamic of the melody.
22:26
We do have an instrument, it just happens to be our body
22:29
instead of an extension of. Our Well, he said it earlier,
22:32
The drummer's gonna yell at you if you're too far inside or
22:36
outside of that one at every measure.
22:38
Right. You know and you know and you.
22:40
Can you can screw up the flow of the song for?
22:43
Sure, well, sure. And the and The thing is like,
22:45
I'm not the kind of guy that just shits out songs like I need
22:49
time with them, right? And I don't know if you've had a
22:51
chance to listen to much of our stuff, and that's cool if you
22:53
haven't. Like no, no judgement, but the
22:56
one thing. We do is we post it on.
22:58
Social media, we really write. Hooks and shit.
23:02
Right, and and every chorus is a banger.
23:05
And I don't say that arrogantly or I, I say it confidently,
23:08
right? Like they're, they're bangers.
23:10
And, and there's a reason because we don't just go, Oh,
23:12
that fits. It's like, you know what I mean?
23:15
And it's like when we write, we always put ourselves outside of
23:19
it and we go, if I was not in this band, would I listen to it?
23:24
Right. And it's like, and if I
23:25
wouldn't. And, and the other thing too is
23:28
we don't waste money by not having it produced properly,
23:34
because to me that will kill any band like bad production.
23:38
Like there's so many great bands that I've toured with over the
23:41
years that I would go see them live and they would wipe the
23:43
stage with anybody. And I'm talking anybody.
23:47
Like the bands I came up with, they were fucking killer, man.
23:52
And then and then you go by their demo off the table and you
23:55
get it home and, and it's basically a coaster because it
23:58
sounds like dog shit, right? Well, I'll get.
24:01
I'll get. Crucified for this one, but
24:03
crank up, kill them all. Yeah, and then go see Metallica
24:06
play them those songs live. I get it.
24:08
And tell me there's not an entire difference.
24:10
Right. And that's what I mean.
24:11
So it's like that. Production value was lacking.
24:13
If you're not going to put your money into your art, then then
24:16
step away, right? Like how can you afford a case
24:19
of beer every day, but you can't put out a good record, You know,
24:24
How is that a thing? You know, you, you have no
24:26
problem smoking a pack of cigarettes today, but your album
24:29
sounds like shit. You know, you drink coffee every
24:33
day on your way to work. You grab your Starbucks, your
24:35
Tim horton's or whatever it is that's, you know, 343 to 5
24:38
bucks, you know, couple times a day.
24:40
You can't put that in your mixing and mastering, you know
24:43
what I mean? Like.
24:44
Well, let's, let's just let's just first just talk about the
24:46
fact why is a musician going buying coffee from Starbucks?
24:49
OK, You should be going to Circle K and buying a dollar
24:52
coffee because you have to have the struggle.
24:55
It's the story when Metallica was in the studio sitting
24:57
against the wall with nothing to eat but baloney and mustard on
25:00
their hand. OK, that's rock and that is
25:02
rock'n'roll. Starbucks is not rock'n'roll.
25:04
So if you're a musician and you haven't made it yet and you're
25:07
going to Starbucks every day, I'm sorry you're not a musician.
25:10
No, you've already made it. No.
25:12
If you've made it, you're getting Starbucks.
25:15
If you haven't made it, you're buying Circle K coffee and you
25:18
have Bolognese for lunch. Fair enough.
25:20
And that's what I mean, right? Everybody's, yeah, everybody's
25:23
got to struggle to get to where they want to be, and that
25:25
struggle is part of the journey to get to the top.
25:28
And now with the labels like. There's it's a long.
25:30
Way and then if you want to rock'n'roll, there you go.
25:34
But if you know, and now with the labels being like what they
25:37
are, and there's barely anything that you can even call a label
25:40
these days. And with the label, you know,
25:42
basically what you're paying for when you sign to a label is
25:46
management, right? Because it's like you sign to a
25:50
label and, and nobody works for free.
25:53
And that's fair. You know what I mean?
25:55
Like you can't expect somebody to work for free.
25:57
But back when there were record labels, you had a person up in
26:00
all this money to cover you and you'd make it all back.
26:03
And if you didn't, you got dropped.
26:04
Well, now labels don't do that. So now it's we need this upfront
26:08
to cover your your track this round.
26:11
And you know what I mean? And that's nothing against the
26:13
label. It's just that's what it is now.
26:15
Thank you. Not there and, and all that
26:18
stuff, right? All the streaming site, you
26:20
know, people didn't understand why Napster was, you know, why
26:24
Metallica was fighting with Napster.
26:25
And I'll tell you, I'm a huge Deftones fan.
26:28
I love Deftones, right, and their first two albums together
26:32
and their second album is one of my favorite albums of all time
26:34
around the fur. But their first two albums
26:37
collectively sold. I think it was like 150,000
26:41
copies of the the physical copy back before the downloading.
26:45
Right now, their third album, the White Pony was supposed to
26:48
come out and that was supposed to be their like swan song.
26:50
That was supposed to be the one that just like the dark side of
26:53
the moon or whatever, right? And Napster comes out while
26:57
they're recording it, and I think it was like a year before
27:01
the album was released or six months or something.
27:03
It was downloaded 400,000 times. Now collectively they'd only
27:09
sold 120,000 their let their album that was just 300,000
27:13
times. That's a career in those days.
27:17
Oh yeah, 20 bucks a pop. Back then.
27:19
Yeah, You know what I mean? Yeah.
27:20
And now it's like you, you buy, you go on Spotify or you go on
27:23
Apple, you go on whatever. Like there's no value in music
27:26
to people because they're overwhelmed with it.
27:28
Just like information. Well, well, just a minute there,
27:31
Chad. When I buy my music, I buy the
27:33
entire album on Apple. I just don't buy one song.
27:36
Even if I don't end up liking the other 10 songs, and we've
27:39
talked about this, I still buy the entire album right now.
27:41
Mike on the other hand, he'll go to Spotify.
27:45
My son goes to Spotify and I explained to my son, dude, you
27:47
got to go to Apple, go buy the whole album and I use the Snoop
27:50
Dogg exam. I.
27:50
Already bought most of those albums once already.
27:54
I know, I know. Yeah, me too.
27:55
I mean, I bought from cassette to CD.
27:56
I mean, all the way up. I've done it.
27:58
But still, that's the thing. And to, to, to touch on your
28:02
Napster thing, because Mike and I have had a conversation about
28:04
this forever and ever and ever and ever.
28:06
The reason my Metallica is Metallica is because they were
28:08
bootlegged to death. Nobody would play their music on
28:11
the radio. So there's two ways to look at
28:13
what Lars did. Now looking back on it, what he
28:15
did was fucking all hands on deck champion for the music
28:18
industry. But they wouldn't be Metallica
28:20
without being bootlegged to. Death.
28:22
No, because nobody played. The problem was nobody was
28:25
listening to him at the time when he said correct, I'm not
28:28
fighting for my band. My band was already established.
28:31
My band will be just fine. I'm fighting for the person that
28:34
nobody he's fighting for Chris and Mike and Chad, the musicians
28:38
that nobody knows right now. Because because this was way
28:41
before social media too. That's the other thing that
28:44
people don't put into perspective is this is still in
28:46
the days of CDs and bands going out and flyering Hollywood and
28:51
Phoenix and you know, just. Like we did, we didn't.
28:53
Have a website to post to it. It was a very what do they call
28:58
that? It was a very romantic time to
29:00
be in the music business, you know, because there was still
29:03
that air of mystery about it, right?
29:07
Yeah, we've talked about that too.
29:08
When you when you go see a band for the first time before MTV
29:11
and came out, the the lights go down, the music starts and the
29:14
chills and the lights come up because, because you see you see
29:17
your your musical icons for the first time alive.
29:20
And it's like, holy shit, they're real.
29:22
That's what they look like that that's what the guitars look
29:25
like. That's what the stage looks
29:26
like. You, it was like, you know,
29:28
Christmas morning, you're opening up a the present you
29:30
always wanted. There they are, right?
29:32
MTV took that visualization away.
29:35
Right. But it but it also built it also
29:37
built empires of musicians and bands because of it.
29:40
Well, and the other thing too is it's like, you know, I remember
29:43
when I was in high school, I knew maybe three guys that were
29:47
in a band, right? And that way you, I don't think
29:51
there was a time when you, it required you to learn how to
29:53
play your instrument, right. And so like then all of a sudden
29:57
everybody put on their grandpa's sweater and went down in their
30:00
basement and learned three chords.
30:02
And that's, you know what I mean?
30:03
And then they became these grunge legends.
30:05
And I'm going like, and I'm going to, I'm going to these
30:07
clubs and I'm seeing these people that look like they just
30:10
got off work. And don't get me wrong, we got
30:12
some great music out of that. Like, I mean, you got Alice in
30:15
change a sound garden. You know, there's the rest I
30:18
really didn't care about, you know what I mean?
30:20
But as far as that goes, it's like when everybody all of a
30:23
sudden, like, here's the thing, you can have Pro Tools in your
30:26
living room, but you can also have Photoshop in your in your
30:31
on your computer. But you know, that doesn't mean
30:34
that you take great pictures, you know, and even if you know,
30:37
you still have to know how to use the program.
30:40
So if you're just shitting out this music and running it
30:43
through Pro Tools thinking you're doing good, you got to
30:45
know how to catch those moments, right?
30:46
You got to catch that right curve.
30:48
You got to catch, you know, just like the picture, you can edit
30:51
it all the shit, but it you know, unless you caught that
30:54
moment where the you know, the the little butterfly is landing
30:57
directly on the flower at that perfect moment, that picture
31:00
doesn't mean anything. You know, like listen to Slave
31:05
to the Grass Skid Row. OK, look, I want to talk about
31:08
value, OK? We've had, we've had this going.
31:11
We've we've gone all these political directions, man, I
31:13
need to, I need to be the drummer and put you in check,
31:16
check, relax. OK, we got 1/2 an hour left.
31:21
And I want to promote your band where you've been, where you're
31:24
going. What do you have coming up in
31:25
2026? Well, people can find your
31:27
music, all the things because that's why you're here.
31:30
You're talking to two musicians that are all about helping other
31:32
musicians like yourself branch out.
31:35
Obviously, I'm assuming you're from Canada because you've used
31:37
your words like bangers, eh? Which is awesome.
31:40
We love Canadians. So you had to feel my love for
31:43
the Rush thing. Like you're not on tour as Rush
31:45
anymore. So stop it before we do.
31:48
I want a real quick answer. Yes or no?
31:50
Do you? Are you excited about Triumph
31:51
going back out on the road? I am.
31:54
OK, because I'm not. They're too old, man.
31:55
You can't do the songs justice. Yeah, I think it's.
31:58
Just I've seen clips. I've seen clips.
32:01
I know, but I've seen clips of it.
32:02
I just don't tarnish the legacy, man.
32:05
Don't tarnish the legacy. Yeah, I I, I love triumph.
32:09
I have them in my playlist. I love everything they did.
32:12
But it's like, dude, just like, just come on.
32:16
It's, you know, you reach a point in your career you just
32:18
got called a day, man. David the Roth fucking hanging
32:20
up. Oh, dude, Klaus May and the
32:21
scorpions hanging up. You just can't do it anymore.
32:24
So off that soapbox now is the website.
32:28
What is it valuer dot? Com yeah, we haven't got that up
32:30
yet. So it's just all the socials.
32:32
So all the socials we have like Facebook and and you know, it's
32:36
some of it's yeah, it's all valuer.
32:38
You just got to look that up on everything.
32:40
OK, so I'm going to, I'm going to tell you right now, get your
32:42
website. The reason why Mike built our
32:43
website over Christmas and the amount of growth we've achieved
32:47
online presence wise is phenomenal.
32:51
Cool, well we got our graphics guys doing our our website right
32:54
now so. Yeah, and make sure on the
32:58
website, which you probably know, but we've, we've had a lot
33:00
of bands on here, they don't have websites like you got to
33:01
have your booking dates, you got to have merch, you got to have
33:03
you got the ones that have it. It's fantastic.
33:06
Because then why we're having a conversation, get yours done to
33:08
come back on. Because then I scroll through
33:10
the pictures and stuff, I scroll through all your merch and
33:12
stuff, why we're having a conversation.
33:14
So it's like an ongoing commercial for you and your band
33:17
for the full hour. So get that.
33:20
Once you get that done, reach back out and we'll get you back
33:23
on the show because then we can get an update where you are and
33:25
all that. So that being that being said,
33:28
what's up for value in 2026? What are you guys?
33:31
Doing we are in the process of working out the but we were, we
33:34
were scheduled to go on tour. We're starting in February.
33:37
We all have day jobs. So you know, it had to work
33:40
around where we could book holidays and things like that.
33:42
And it worked out good. Sure.
33:44
However, the tour that we were doing, the band that we were
33:46
doing it with dropped off our label.
33:48
And so it's it's starting in from scratch now.
33:52
And so it's in the process, it's happening, it's all coming
33:56
together. You're going to see us and we're
33:57
still playing shows locally and things like that.
33:59
So we have a show in in our hometown Oshawa on February 28th
34:04
at the Atria and we have a show in Toronto at the Rock Pile
34:08
March 20th. And but I mean, as far as that
34:11
goes, we're just trying to get that tour together, but we just
34:14
don't stop playing whenever something comes up, right?
34:17
OK. And your label self-made
34:19
records. Yes, Sir, Yeah.
34:21
You got to give a shout out to your label.
34:22
Yeah, man, shout out to Eric and self-made records.
34:24
He he, he works hard man. I talk to him every day.
34:27
He's that guy. I talk to you every day.
34:29
He's just always on fire. You're a.
34:32
You're a. Record Digital.
34:33
Distribution, that's how oh so we're.
34:36
Putting He just told you he just called.
34:38
He just called you a true rock. Star Oh, thanks, man.
34:40
Thanks, Eric. And he gave us, he gave us a
34:42
shout out to Chris. There's the other one.
34:44
Oh, I know, I know. Yeah, it's all good so but and
34:48
you aren't so YouTube is just valuer, valuer music.
34:50
Valuer. Everything's just valuer.
34:53
We got it all. Insta would.
34:55
I think I even have sub stack. OK, so I'm going to pull this up
35:02
because again, again, the part of what we do here is we'd like
35:04
to share and promote and which is probably why because I know
35:07
we had somebody else on from from self-made records and
35:10
you're going to shoot me because I don't remember.
35:12
I'm sorry. He's not going to want to say
35:14
because that's the band that dropped off the label.
35:16
Oh, OK, so there's the band. That's why I didn't so.
35:20
OK, so there's Chad, there's Chad.
35:22
I, I love the haircut, man. Baldwin United.
35:24
Thank you. That's what I was getting at
35:25
earlier. I wanted to make sure you
35:27
subscribed. Did you subscribe to the to the
35:29
way of life? Because I did this dude, when
35:32
nobody was shaving their head and we got booked at a Skinhead
35:37
concert and we fit right in and we're like, what the hell did
35:40
you book us on? Just because the way I looked
35:42
and we still won them over. And then we never did that again
35:45
because it's like, I don't. Think so?
35:46
That's not the company you want to be keeping.
35:48
Just because I look like this doesn't mean I'm.
35:51
So there's, there's this is, yeah.
35:56
This is, you know, what's cool about this video, what I love
35:58
the most about it is all the all the live footage was filmed by
36:02
fans, right? So some of it is really grainy,
36:06
but I didn't care. I was like, I love that this is
36:09
as gritty and dirty. It's like an old school video,
36:13
right? And I was just really excited to
36:16
put that together. And, and then we have, we have
36:20
Human God coming out, I think next month.
36:22
And we, we did the video for that one too.
36:24
We, we were going to do one for supper, but all the footage we
36:27
got to put together, we may still do it, but we're just kind
36:30
of trying to. The footage we got didn't work
36:33
out as well as we'd hoped. And we got a bunch of live stuff
36:36
and it wasn't even like good enough to be grainy, you know
36:38
what I mean? But the cool thing about supper
36:41
is we had Mark Rizzo from Soulfly play the lead on that
36:43
chat. Awesome.
36:45
Yeah. We ended up opening for him in
36:47
Toronto and he he watched the set and he just reached out to
36:50
me after. He's like, you ever want me to
36:51
play a lead on that? Let me know.
36:53
And I said, OK, here's the song. I wasted no time.
36:57
And then he did it. And then there was talks about
37:01
because his, I don't know if it's his wife or his girlfriend,
37:04
I don't know if they're married or not, but she does a lot of
37:07
videos for people like the butcher babies and things like
37:09
that, right? So, so there was talk about her
37:12
doing a video for it. But you know, the budget I'd
37:15
have to go out to to the States and, and you know what I mean?
37:18
It's a lot of a lot of money right now for us to do something
37:21
like that. Right.
37:22
OK, so as this video is playing, point out, point out who's who,
37:25
who's who's next to right there. Playing that's Joe.
37:27
OK, that's Joe. OK, so those are the 2 here
37:31
because he did that. That's Nick the the guy we that
37:34
that was with us for like 6 years and he's in the video
37:37
because he did the out the drummer.
37:39
And when we when we did this album, we hadn't had mayonnaise
37:44
yet, right. So we're yeah, like we're just
37:47
goofballs when we hang out, man. Like we just always have so much
37:50
fun. There was a band in that room.
37:52
It's funny. And there's a band in that room
37:54
doing like really, really crappy beats and it's just, yeah, we
37:59
just like listen to this horse shit.
38:00
Yeah. Remember when we were talking
38:05
before the show, Chad and I told you that I can just look at
38:07
someone and almost tell you exactly who they.
38:10
Are. I saw Nick for 1/10 of a second
38:13
and I knew I wouldn't like him. Oh yeah, I'm not kidding you.
38:22
It's just, it's something about it's the aura.
38:25
I can see their aura. You talk to.
38:27
Him, he's like, no, maybe as a person, but not as a musician.
38:33
Yeah, he's he's good at what he does.
38:35
Yeah. Was like I say, yeah.
38:37
And it's like some of this footage, this is cool because I
38:39
don't watch this all the time, right.
38:40
So I'm seeing things and this was us.
38:42
Sometimes we'll we like to end the night sometimes with the
38:45
Trooper by Iron Maiden. We don't do covers.
38:50
Like we're not on a. Cover band, but we like to just
38:51
switch it up once in a while where we like surprise the the
38:55
crowd, right? So when we come out and we do
38:57
the Trooper, the place calls like nuclear, right?
39:01
And then the fact that I can sing it it, it definitely helps,
39:04
right. So.
39:06
Yeah, you got to nail that one for sure.
39:07
Yeah. And we do.
39:08
Sometimes we'll do Cochise as well.
39:12
Oh, that's a good one. Too, and we do that.
39:13
Really. Well, I love that riff.
39:16
The one thing about us, man, even if you hate us, like if you
39:19
didn't like us at all, you can't deny that we're good at what we
39:21
do, right? Yeah.
39:25
Yeah. This is a cool video.
39:27
It is man, I really like it a lot.
39:30
Very well edited. And there's a.
39:35
Sorry, my wife texted me. There's my wife.
39:39
Yeah, We don't stop up there, man.
39:41
We don't stop. And you know what's even funnier
39:52
Is Joe's the only guy in the band with hair.
39:57
This is wrong with that, Somebody's got to have hair.
40:00
You get Italian in a man. You can't all be bald.
40:01
You got lots of hair. You can't always be, Yeah, not
40:05
everyone can be bald, you know, That's that's then you go back
40:07
to take the skinheads bowling song, you know, it just doesn't
40:11
work. Well, not everybody has a nicely
40:13
shaped head either, you know. Some people have a German
40:15
monster head. That's amazing.
40:17
That's amazing. Every time I was sad about not
40:23
or every time I was sad about losing my hair, I thought, well,
40:25
you know, at least it's round. Yeah, it's.
40:28
Not flat on top, right? Yeah, I'm pretty blessed because
40:31
my head's not all misshaped, that's for sure.
40:34
Why did we why did we go from Valor to a screensaver?
40:37
That's fucked up. Yeah.
40:39
Did you see that? I went from Valor to a
40:41
screensaver. Like, how does that happen?
40:43
That's the dumbest thing ever. I thought it.
40:45
I thought it would have taken us to your next video, man.
40:47
You'd hope so, right? So dumb.
40:50
We got some stuff from before up there.
40:52
We got beneath the machine and Fall too Far.
40:54
Fall Too Far is a funny video because I recorded that before I
40:57
got my license back. And the whole video is me
41:00
driving around my hometown. I'm driving around and like I'm
41:05
passing. And the one thought we had to
41:07
keep going by was the police station.
41:11
Oh, fun. I'm like, of course, of course,
41:14
cameras all hooked up to the van like like we're wheat bags then.
41:20
That's funny. Hold on, we're going to bring
41:24
that one up. Oh my God.
41:27
Commercials. Really.
41:32
No, I don't. There you go.
41:33
There I am just breaking the law.
41:35
There. You.
41:35
Go. Well, come on.
41:38
There it is. I like the logo.
41:42
Logo is cool. Yeah, we.
41:43
Have like we, we try to change it up every album.
41:49
Yeah, we like, we have one that's all fire and it looks
41:51
really cool. That's kind of our go to.
41:54
But for every album, we try to switch it up a little bit.
41:59
I like your voice, dude. We kind of have the same.
42:02
We have the same tone. Like the song that we started
42:04
the show, the song we start the show with.
42:06
That's that's that's Mike and I. That's our band Nemesis, to give
42:10
you an idea. When, Yeah, when you, you know,
42:13
when we're done here. Send me links to your music.
42:15
I'd love to check it out. Well, see, that's the glorious
42:18
thing about us. We were we were rocking before
42:22
all the the media and the digital age was, was, was there.
42:27
I think Mike can still send you some some snippets of it.
42:29
But there's we're we're we're part of the whole reason this
42:33
podcast came to light is because I kept sending him songs because
42:37
I'm that guy that that I can write a song in 3 minutes and I
42:40
hear I hear when we got together and I'd hear the music that that
42:44
he had written. Like kid you not, it, it, it was
42:48
two or three practices that I wrote.
42:49
I, I replaced their entire catalog.
42:52
I mean, I but I grant I showed up with about 1500 songs on that
42:56
guy. But yeah, we just, we we
43:01
preempted that age. We were we were on the scene
43:05
right before Creed was discovered.
43:06
And I tell everybody, we were kind of Creed before Creed.
43:09
Was that? That that kind of arena rock,
43:13
just catchy vibes. Like I said, the first song,
43:17
right, the first song, the song you hear from our intro is our
43:20
song Freeman. And then when you watch the
43:21
episode, when it's produced, the last song, it's called Listen to
43:24
Your Sin. Both of those were written in
43:26
the 90s and they're still relevant today.
43:28
They could still be airplayed if they were at that level to do
43:31
so. Like it's kind of cool about
43:33
that ass. So value, you can find you
43:38
anywhere. Just Google value, which is what
43:40
I did, and you, all your socials come up beautiful, all your
43:44
videos. You got a YouTube channel,
43:45
you're doing some tours, You got a show in February, a show in
43:48
March. Both are in Canada.
43:50
A Yeah, yeah. Canada A yeah, we're working on
43:53
stuff for next year. Like next year will be more like
43:55
out of out of the thing. It was kind of a soft run.
43:58
You know, we're going to, we're going to play like closer and
44:01
then next year we're going to plan for bigger, right?
44:04
Right on. So how nervous were you driving
44:06
past the police station every time?
44:08
I was sitting in my pants. I got my license back now.
44:12
So, I mean, hypothetically, if I was had no license back then, I
44:16
would, I would have been very afraid, right?
44:20
Yeah. I dig that, I dig that.
44:22
I did complain on the on the rocks because the water seems to
44:25
be going super fast, but it's not really going super fast is.
44:27
It dude, he. Was an effect.
44:29
He's a soldier. Because when we were done, we
44:31
like, we did it in two days, right?
44:32
So we did the skate park the one day and at the end of the night
44:37
we were all done and they got Jeff and they're like, come on,
44:40
we will. We want to get a few scenes that
44:42
wasn't and so Jeff's out there freezing his eyes on it was cold
44:45
like October or something it. Looks it looks cold.
44:48
And he was, I was just like, see ya, love ya, catch you later.
44:53
Like I'm going over. And that's see, there, there it
44:57
is, boys and girls. That's the glory of being a
44:58
musician. You all your bandmates tell you
45:00
to fuck off while you go stand in the cold and do B roll for an
45:03
hour or two. See their faces when I pick up a
45:05
piece of gear. See, I always help gear.
45:10
I always help with gear. I wouldn't touch the drums for
45:12
about 6 months because Scott would give me that look, but I
45:16
always help with gear. I was never that guy that sat on
45:18
the curb and twiddling my thumbs like as they loaded in and
45:21
loaded out. I only had one thing to bring
45:23
and it was this epic mic stand that was made out of my arm.
45:26
I had my drummer, my very second band.
45:28
My drummer was an art major ASU, so he took this black.
45:32
He took this black resin. I'm trying to get a hold of me,
45:34
give me a picture. And we molded my arm from my
45:36
hand all the way to my. Shoulder.
45:38
So the mic stand fit perfectly to my mouth and the mic was
45:42
inside my hand. If you can vision that I'm
45:45
standing like this, this is my hand and my arm.
45:48
And it broke down the Morrison ties.
45:50
It broke down in the raven's claw on the base of it.
45:52
And I could put my foot between the raven's claws and I could
45:55
rock it back and forth on stage. It was a mic stand before
45:59
anybody had mic stands. You think people that have mic
46:01
stands now? Fuck you, I did it first.
46:04
Well, what's the one? The guy from 5 finger Deadline
46:06
his his mic stands. Epic.
46:08
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter mine.
46:10
Mine was better and I did it first.
46:12
At least at least 15 or 18. If I make my way out there, you
46:16
make your way out here. We're playing shows together.
46:18
That's going to be a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
46:21
I I had I shaved my head before anybody.
46:24
Everybody's like, what the fuck are you doing?
46:25
My bald cap ripped for a play would take two weeks to get and
46:27
I'm like, fuck it, I'll just shave my head and it's kept
46:30
since 90 and we look great. I should have the band practice.
46:32
Mike is like right and I should have band practice.
46:35
And they all looked at like, what did you do?
46:39
Well. How are you going to sing
46:40
without your hair? Well, I sing better.
46:44
I sing better without my hair. First time I.
46:45
Started barefoot and bald man. First time I saw Pantera and
46:48
he'd come out, I seen him opening for Skid Row and he'd
46:51
come out and he had no hair and I was like, how is he singing
46:54
like that? I'm just a kid.
46:58
I'm like, he's got no hair, man. He's not cool, but he come out,
47:01
he said. Dude I've never seen anything
47:02
like Pantera. But see, OK, but but see, that's
47:05
that magic moment that was taken away from media, right?
47:09
The first time you saw Pantera, you were just like.
47:11
Oh, you know. Right.
47:14
That's what I'm saying. That's what's missing in the
47:16
world today. No.
47:18
Yeah. And Mike and I talked about this
47:19
all time. Everybody in this generation
47:21
moving forward is never going to have that.
47:23
They're never going to have that experience of standing in a
47:26
Coliseum waiting for the band to come on.
47:28
They've never seen before. They just heard on the.
47:30
Radio. Oh man, I'm telling you, there
47:31
they are. I like there was so many bands
47:34
like that. You know who did that for me too
47:36
was Mud Vein. Oh, I walked out.
47:38
I walked out there from 60. Miles from where I live.
47:41
Fuck, is that right? And I was just like, and then
47:45
boom, like I'd heard dig and dig was like epic.
47:48
And I'm like, there's no way they're that good live.
47:50
Like there's not a chance. And I went I was, like, proven
47:52
wrong. Yeah, yeah.
47:57
Yeah, it's amazing seeing a band live, especially even now, even
48:00
nowadays, I think if you see a band for the first time live,
48:02
you're still going to have that, that moment of awe.
48:04
But you just I think it it some of it's taken away because of
48:07
all the social media and you can see what they look like.
48:09
And, and, and there's so many avenues to see him playing live
48:12
and stuff. It kind of loses some of the the
48:15
mystique as Prince was famous for.
48:17
Like I don't want any, nobody can have a phone in my shows,
48:20
like don't fill me at all. So you can't find a lot of
48:22
stuff, bootleg stuff of him live way better, right, Because then
48:27
you still have that element of damn, that's the one I wish I
48:30
would have seen live. Mike saw him live.
48:32
So I'm super jealous about that. So am I.
48:34
And he has an amazing story about that.
48:36
But you know, it's we don't have enough time for that story.
48:38
Yeah, yeah, because we got to make sure we hit we hit your
48:41
thing. So merchandise and stuff.
48:42
Where do people get you? Where do you just sell your
48:44
merchandise that you we? Do we have an online store
48:46
through self-made records page And our page, we linked it right
48:49
up and there's all kinds of cool stuff on there.
48:54
Yeah. And we have stuff like I at the
48:56
shows, I sell, we, we sell merch and we also, I also sell my
49:00
book. I put a book out in August,
49:04
right? And it's a kind of a tell all
49:05
book And, and I sell that at the shows too, right.
49:09
So yeah, we got, we got all kinds of stuff usually happening
49:13
merch wise. So the Tell All book it's about
49:16
how to make tacos from scratch without using 100.
49:19
Percent, 100% and like, use the wraps.
49:22
Use the wraps. OK, so there's there's value,
49:26
there's your come on, open up, open up value.
49:29
Let's go, man. I got to go up here and click
49:30
it. Oh, I do.
49:35
OK, so there's there's your links.
49:36
Yeah, man. OK, so you have a website in a
49:39
sense. You just got to drive them to
49:40
the label, which is cool. Yep.
49:42
So there's your tour stuff, the Merge store.
49:44
Let's go to the merge store. Yeah.
49:47
What are you seeing on the page? Have you seen the merge store?
49:50
I'm not seeing it yet. All right.
49:52
OK. It'll come.
49:54
If you build it, it will come. Well, I just kind of got to
49:58
change what I'm sharing some. I mean, this app is this this
50:00
this program. This program is cool, but
50:02
sometimes it doesn't let me bounce between pages.
50:05
There's a lot of cool stuff in there, some cool hoodies.
50:07
There's the merch, there's the merch store.
50:10
Yeah, you can buy the Blood Soaked album.
50:13
The album's not even out yet. You can buy a Blood Soaked
50:15
album. OK, how's it blood soaked?
50:18
It's just it's got like blood splatter on it.
50:20
Sorry, not blood soaked blood splatter, right?
50:24
Now I got to. I got to.
50:25
Now I got to change again. Why is it going to OK Diamond?
50:29
Because it's opening up a new page every.
50:31
Time. I know, I know.
50:34
Hold on. You guys keep talking about
50:36
stuff. I'll get there.
50:38
I do on stage sometimes I'll be like, hey, what's up, you guys
50:41
like stuff? I used to give away true Strike.
50:46
I'd give away 3 pitches of beer, so we'd come out and play our
50:48
first 3 songs back-to-back to back just to have everybody like
50:50
what the fuck is this about? And then because of that, they
50:56
were just captivated by us immediately.
50:58
So then I'd be like, who wants a who wants a free beer?
51:01
And the crowd would be quiet because nobody did it.
51:04
And I'm and I'd look at Mike. I'm like fucking kidding me.
51:06
I look back at the crowd in a kind of a just like, okay,
51:10
really, who wants a free beer? Then all of a sudden divers like
51:15
I'm like, OK, you the loudest person right there, go see such
51:19
and such at the bar. I've already paid for a pitcher
51:20
beer for you. And then from that point on when
51:23
I say that, then they, it got word of mouth to where then I
51:26
would just, I would just close my eyes.
51:27
Who wants free pitcher beer? And they would all skim like,
51:29
all right, you get a free pitcher beer.
51:31
And then they shut me down because then so you can't buy a
51:33
beer for somebody. It's illegal in Arizona.
51:35
So you they have to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
51:37
I'm like OK. Is that true?
51:38
So I would just, yeah. We.
51:40
Were considered here in Arizona. If you're an employee of the
51:44
establishment, we were considered an employee of the
51:47
bar. Right.
51:49
Yeah, so we got, we got around it.
51:50
We got around it. We just ended up they've got the
51:52
pitcher beer. We'd have one of our band frames
51:54
go up and give them the cash in lieu of the pitcher cost.
51:57
So it still worked, you know. Or just flip it to 1.
52:01
Way to the bar, you know. We'll do that, but there's we'll
52:03
give records out or we'll throw like, because we, yeah, you know
52:06
what I mean? Or throw a T-shirt out like wear
52:09
wanted to get off T-shirts, stickers.
52:12
Yeah, man. I wouldn't go that far but I
52:13
would. I would.
52:14
I was stickers and and T-shirts all the time.
52:16
We'd have 100 T-shirts and after about 6 shows we had no
52:20
T-shirts. And then, you know, we have to
52:21
make more, but that's. How that shows you how long ago
52:24
that was. That was a big deal for us to
52:26
have merchandise. Yeah, you.
52:27
Couldn't just go on a website. Putting all that money out.
52:30
It was super expensive back then.
52:32
You know, yeah, it's because, I mean, spirits are cheap, man.
52:37
No. Well, now you have, you can buy
52:38
this, the cheesy ass. I've seen stuff online like the
52:42
Gilden T-shirts are all caught in heavy fucking stupid shirts.
52:45
You get 100 of them for, you know, $400.00.
52:47
OK, so yeah, they suck. Nobody's going to wear it.
52:52
Yeah. We want that artificial fabric
52:54
that it adheres to our body and it's breathable that, you know,
52:57
half of 1/2 of the world has died because of what it cost to
53:00
make these. You know, we want stuff that
53:02
destroys the environment but feels it looks really.
53:05
Good. You know we're not about sheep
53:08
anymore. Fuck the sheep, man.
53:09
Yeah, let's get that weird rayon type polymer to blend that
53:12
doesn't. Feel good on.
53:13
China skies are black because of it.
53:15
You. Know I want the shirt kids
53:17
sweats for me. Right, the little kids got to
53:19
sew the sleeves because their hands are so tiny.
53:23
You know, the real American products, man.
53:25
Yeah, they're locating. They're bleeding.
53:30
Here's a nice so so we'll wrap, we'll wrap this up Value, just
53:34
go Google value. You're going to find them
53:35
anywhere and everywhere. All their socials go check out
53:38
their music on YouTube because it's badass.
53:40
Your music's outstanding, man. It was really cool.
53:41
On on self-made? Yeah, on self-made records.
53:45
Is it selfmaderecords.com? Self-made Records, LLC.
53:49
LLC Self-made Records LLC Google that too, because then you can
53:53
click on their page on the website itself and get all their
53:56
merch and all their updates and all their things.
53:59
Go follow them. They're good guys.
54:01
You've you've spent an hour with Chad here.
54:02
We had some pre show with them. Dude, it's fucking super.
54:04
Cool man. Self-made Records is cool
54:07
because they've given us a couple bands, so keep bringing
54:09
us bands we love to promote your artists because you're cool as
54:11
fuck. Absolutely.
54:13
Anything else you want to add, Chad?
54:14
No man, just stay tuned. More is coming and we're not.
54:17
We're so far from even started at this point.
54:20
I can't even. I'm stoked.
54:24
Cool. Yeah, man.
54:25
Anything you once we once we get done too.
54:27
Once this is all edited out, you're going to get 10 to 15
54:29
reels. You can share, however.
54:30
You want? Thanks man.
54:32
So get all that, you can backlink us, you can tag us,
54:35
we'll do the same with you. And drop your stuff, We'll
54:37
share. Yeah, when you drop your stuff,
54:39
we'll share it because that's what we do.
54:40
We'll help you, you know, get to where you want to be.
54:43
You're going to appreciate this because of your recovery aspect
54:45
of life. Boys and girls, if you're
54:46
feeling sorrowful or or suicidal or depressed, don't do it.
54:50
Go scream in a pillow. Go journal, go run, go workout,
54:52
go do something to change your mindset.
54:54
Find somebody to talk to. If you cannot find someone to
54:56
talk to, text 988. Somebody is there waiting to
54:58
talk to you to help talk you off that ledge, to change your
55:01
mindset. You don't want to be that person
55:03
leaves a hole in somebody else's heart because you don't wake up
55:05
tomorrow. So don't do that.
55:06
Somebody does love you. Somebody will miss you.
55:08
So remember that. For the Christian Michael, I'm
55:10
Chris. He's Mike.
55:11
This is Chad Value from the band Valuer.
55:13
Until next time, peace and love. See you man.
55:16
Peace. Appreciate your time, I can't
55:19
wait to see it again. Thanks for coming on.
55:22
Brother, absolutely don't leave until Mike says you can.
55:25
Yeah, I'm not leaving. Just talk with me.
55:27
You got to stop.