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- 0:00Host 1: So picture this.
- 0:01Host 1: It is uh 2:00 AM in the Portuguese city of Almada,
- 0:05Host 1: and entire neighborhoods are just... they're quietly waking up.
- 0:08Host 2: Right, and they aren't getting ready for an early shift either.
- 0:11Host 1: No, exactly.
- 0:12Host 1: They aren't dealing with insomnia,
- 0:15Host 1: they are literally turning on their taps, running washing machines,
- 0:18Host 1: and you know, hoarding water in whatever containers they can find,
- 0:22Host 1: all while the authorities sleep.
- 0:24Host 2: It's such a wild visual.
- 0:25Host 1: It really is.
- 0:27Host 1: And today, we're looking at a single, incredibly revealing day in 2026
- 0:30Host 1: to figure out why, uh, why an entire European city
- 0:33Host 1: is forced into these middle-of-the-night survival logistics.
- 0:36Host 2: July 11th to be exact.
- 0:38Host 2: We are diving into a stack of Portuguese newspaper front pages today,
- 0:41Host 2: specifically Publico, Correio da Manhã, and Jornal de Notícias.
- 0:45Host 1: Yeah.
- 0:46Host 1: And we're doing this to build like a living, breathing snapshot
- 0:50Host 1: of a nation that is just hitting a boiling point.
- 0:52Host 1: We'll be looking at a society wrestling with failing bureaucracies,
- 0:56Host 1: severe social inequalities, and a scorching climate.
- 0:59Host 2: But also, you know, still managing to find solace in football
- 1:03Host 2: and a good glass of wine.
- 1:05Host 1: Because of course they are. Right.
- 1:07Host 1: But uh, before we pull these stories apart and really dive in,
- 1:11Host 1: I should lay down a quick caveat for you listening.
- 1:13Host 2: Yeah, that's important.
- 1:15Host 2: Because some of these front pages contain highly politically charged allegations.
- 1:18Host 2: We're going to touch on uh supposed secret government contracts
- 1:21Host 2: and even Donald Trump's alleged involvement in the World Cup.
- 1:24Host 1: Which is quite the headline.
- 1:26Host 2: It is.
- 1:27Host 2: But to be completely clear, we are not validating or endorsing these claims.
- 1:31Host 2: We are simply acting as your translators today.
- 1:34Host 2: We're just impartially breaking down exactly what Portuguese citizens
- 1:37Host 2: were reading over their morning coffee,
- 1:39Host 2: you know, so you can see the raw news cycle they were experiencing.
- 1:43Host 1: And that daily news cycle...
- 1:45Host 1: I mean, it paints a picture of a populace fighting battles on multiple fronts.
- 1:48Host 2: Yeah.
- 1:49Host 2: And it really starts with the absolute bedrock of their society,
- 1:53Host 2: the national education and justice system.
- 1:56Host 1: In bureaucracy.
- 1:57Host 2: Exactly.
- 1:59Host 2: The sheer administrative chaos dominating these July 11th headlines
- 2:03Host 2: is just staggering.
- 2:04Host 1: Okay, so let's unpack this.
- 2:06Host 1: Let's look at the mechanics of this broken bureaucracy.
- 2:10Host 1: Because Publico leads with a statistic about national student exams
- 2:13Host 1: that honestly, it completely undermines the concept of meritocracy.
- 2:16Host 2: Oh, totally.
- 2:18Host 2: They report that only 2% of exams are ever sent in for re-evaluation.
- 2:22Host 2: But of that tiny 2% who actually challenge their grade,
- 2:25Host 2: 76% of them see their score increase.
- 2:28Host 1: Wait, so three out of four times,
- 2:30Host 1: the state's initial grading was simply... wrong?
- 2:33Host 2: Wrong and artificially low.
- 2:35Host 1: Wow.
- 2:37Host 2: Yeah.
- 2:38Host 2: And yet, the system itself is incredibly rigid toward the students.
- 2:41Host 2: The paper notes that if a student writes their answers on the uh,
- 2:45Host 2: the wrong sheets—like literally just a formatting error—
- 2:47Host 2: they get an automatic flat zero.
- 2:50Host 1: That's insane.
- 2:51Host 1: It's like getting a speeding ticket thrown out because the cop
- 2:54Host 1: misspelled your name on the paperwork.
- 2:57Host 2: Right, yeah.
- 2:58Host 2: The rules only seem to punish the honest mistakes of the citizens,
- 3:02Host 2: while giving just infinite grace to the state.
- 3:04Host 2: I mean, is this just standard governmental red tape that you'd find anywhere?
- 3:08Host 2: Or are we looking at a systemic breakdown of trust here?
- 3:11Host 1: Well what's fascinating here is how it creates this massive bottleneck
- 3:15Host 1: for a young person's future.
- 3:17Host 2: Uh-huh.
- 3:18Host 1: Over in Jornal de Notícias, they highlight these severe delays
- 3:22Host 1: in releasing the second-phase grades.
- 3:24Host 2: Right.
- 3:25Host 2: So these students are trapped in administrative limbo because of these delays—
- 3:28Host 2: they can't even use those exam scores for their first-round university applications.
- 3:32Host 1: Oh man.
- 3:33Host 2: Yeah.
- 3:34Host 2: Their academic paths are being derailed not by a lack of knowledge,
- 3:38Host 2: but by an inability of the state to process paper.
- 3:41Host 1: And when the state tries to fix its inability to process that paper,
- 3:44Host 1: things allegedly get even murkier.
- 3:46Host 1: Correio da Manhã adds this really scandalous twist to the exam chaos.
- 3:50Host 2: Right, the digital platform.
- 3:52Host 1: Yeah.
- 3:53Host 1: The government apparently needed a new digital correction platform
- 3:56Host 1: to unblock these grading problems.
- 3:59Host 1: But instead of a standard public bid where multiple tech companies compete openly for the job,
- 4:02Host 1: the ministry used a direct adjudication contract.
- 4:05Host 2: Which basically means the government can just bypass normal transparency laws
- 4:08Host 2: and pick a company behind closed doors.
- 4:11Host 2: Usually citing, you know, extreme urgency.
- 4:13Host 1: Exactly.
- 4:15Host 1: Which is exactly what happened here.
- 4:17Host 1: The headline claims that the ministry hid this urgent contract
- 4:20Host 1: and handed 10% of the work directly to a contractor
- 4:23Host 1: who happens to be a friend of Minister Luís Neves.
- 4:26Host 2: Ah.
- 4:28Host 2: Now, again, for you listening, we are just impartially reading the headline here.
- 4:31Host 2: But whether it is ultimately proven true or not,
- 4:34Host 2: the fact that this is front-page news feeds a very specific narrative for the public—
- 4:38Host 2: that the system is rigged.
- 4:40Host 1: Oh, completely rigged.
- 4:42Host 1: And that narrative, it bleeds directly into the justice system too.
- 4:45Host 1: Correio da Manhã also reports that state delays
- 4:48Host 1: within the Social Security department were so profound
- 4:51Host 1: that they actually resulted in suspects walking free from a 500,000 euro fraud scam.
- 4:55Host 2: Half a million euros.
- 4:57Host 1: Yeah.
- 4:58Host 1: The bureaucracy is literally so slow it cannot even prosecute massive financial crimes
- 5:02Host 1: before legal deadlines expire.
- 5:05Host 2: So if you are a citizen reading this over breakfast,
- 5:08Host 2: you realize the rules only apply to you.
- 5:11Host 2: If you format your exam wrong, your life is ruined.
- 5:13Host 2: If you steal half a million euros, the state's paperwork is too slow to catch you.
- 5:16Host 1: Right, and think about the psychological toll that takes on a society.
- 5:20Host 1: We teach young people that if they study hard and follow the rules, they will succeed.
- 5:23Host 2: Right.
- 5:25Host 1: But these front pages are actively teaching them that their prospects rely almost entirely on administrative luck.
- 5:28Host 1: It cultivates a deep societal cynicism.
- 5:30Host 2: For sure.
- 5:32Host 2: But you know, this bureaucratic apathy doesn't just ruin university chances.
- 5:35Host 2: When the state checks out of basic administration,
- 5:38Host 2: and when the justice system is too slow to prosecute fraud,
- 5:41Host 2: physical predators step into that void.
- 5:44Host 1: Yeah, that's where it gets really dark.
- 5:46Host 2: It does.
- 5:47Host 2: Which brings us to the streets of Espinho,
- 5:50Host 2: and a much darker reality about Portugal's social fabric.
- 5:53Host 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, the inequalities highlighted across these papers
- 5:56Host 2: are incredibly stark, and they show how vulnerability is actively being monetized.
- 5:59Host 1: Yeah.
- 6:00Host 1: Jornal de Notícias reports a truly horrific human trafficking story.
- 6:03Host 1: A 15-year-old boy was found after being starved, forced to eat scraps,
- 6:07Host 1: and beaten with a belt by a Romanian trafficker.
- 6:10Host 2: It's just awful.
- 6:12Host 1: It's sickening.
- 6:13Host 1: And his punishment was for failing to hit a daily begging quota of 160 euros.
- 6:17Host 1: And this wasn't happening in the shadows either.
- 6:20Host 1: This teenager was forced to beg in plain sight on public streets every single day.
- 6:23Host 1: It is literal modern-day slavery operating out in the open.
- 6:27Host 1: And while that is, you know, the most violently extreme edge of exploitation,
- 6:30Host 1: the papers show how systemic this downward pressure is across the entire economy.
- 6:33Host 2: Right.
- 6:35Host 2: That same paper points out a broader structural reality.
- 6:38Host 2: Immigrants in Portugal actually possess higher levels of education than the local population,
- 6:41Host 2: yet they earn significantly less.
- 6:44Host 1: Oh wow.
- 6:45Host 2: Yeah.
- 6:46Host 2: They are frequently trapped working in jobs far below their skill levels.
- 6:50Host 1: So you have highly trained professionals pouring coffee
- 6:53Host 1: or cleaning houses just to survive a closed professional market.
- 6:56Host 2: Exactly.
- 6:57Host 1: So what does this all mean?
- 6:59Host 1: We have highly educated people trapped in low-wage jobs,
- 7:03Host 1: and at the darkest extreme, literal child slavery on the streets.
- 7:06Host 1: I mean, are these isolated issues,
- 7:09Host 1: or are we seeing a permanent two-tier society solidifying?
- 7:11Host 2: I think we're seeing it solidify, yeah.
- 7:14Host 2: It's the exploitation of vulnerability across the board.
- 7:16Host 1: Yeah.
- 7:18Host 2: And it's not just immigrants feeling the squeeze;
- 7:20Host 2: the housing crisis is aggressively pushing the elderly to the brink too.
- 7:24Host 1: Right, the eviction loophole.
- 7:26Host 2: Yes.
- 7:27Host 2: Correio da Manhã reports that new legislation meant to facilitate building renovations
- 7:31Host 2: is now actively threatening the rent stability of elderly tenants.
- 7:34Host 1: How does that even work?
- 7:36Host 2: Well, the mechanics of the legislation are just devastating.
- 7:39Host 1: Right.
- 7:40Host 2: Landlords want to charge higher modern market rates, right?
- 7:43Host 2: But they are stuck with elderly tenants who hold older, legally protected leases.
- 7:46Host 1: So they utilize a loophole.
- 7:49Host 1: By claiming they need to do major building renovations,
- 7:51Host 1: landlords are legally allowed to break those protected leases.
- 7:54Host 1: Effectively evicting vulnerable elderly tenants under the guise of urban renewal.
- 7:57Host 2: That is brutal.
- 8:00Host 2: Add to that, you know, there's a headline about a love scammer
- 8:04Host 2: extracting thousands of euros from female victims...
- 8:07Host 2: you really start to see a very clear ecosystem of exploitation.
- 8:10Host 1: You do.
- 8:11Host 1: Elderly people facing eviction by loophole,
- 8:14Host 1: highly educated immigrants locked out of their fields,
- 8:18Host 1: and literal child slavery on the streets.
- 8:20Host 1: Because when economic margins get tight, the pressure doesn't distribute evenly across a society.
- 8:24Host 1: It heavily targets the vulnerable.
- 8:26Host 2: Always.
- 8:28Host 2: The elderly tenant who doesn't understand the new renovation laws,
- 8:31Host 2: the immigrant facing a discriminatory job market,
- 8:34Host 2: the unaccompanied teenager forced to beg.
- 8:37Host 2: When the social safety nets that we just talked about—
- 8:40Host 2: the state bureaucracy, the justice system—are frayed or distracted,
- 8:43Host 2: opportunistic predators step into the gap.
- 8:46Host 1: It paints a picture of a populace that is just exhausted.
- 8:49Host 2: Completely exhausted.
- 8:51Host 2: And while society is cracking under all this economic and systemic pressure,
- 8:56Host 2: the literal ground they are standing on is burning.
- 8:58Host 2: On July 11th, 2026, the environment is reaching a boiling point.
- 9:02Host 1: Yeah,
- 9:03Host 1: the climate emergencies dominating these pages show a shift from like,
- 9:07Host 1: abstract environmental concern to immediate localized panic.
- 9:11Host 1: There is a massive heatwave blanketing the Iberian Peninsula.
- 9:14Host 1: Jornal de Notícias reports that retailers are having their absolute best year ever
- 9:18Host 1: for sales of portable fans and air conditioners.
- 9:20Host 2: They're just flying off the shelves.
- 9:23Host 1: Exactly.
- 9:24Host 1: But this heat isn't just a matter of discomfort, right?
- 9:27Host 1: Publico covers a tragedy in neighboring Spain and Andalusia,
- 9:30Host 1: where tourists were caught by wildfires while trying to escape by car and on foot.
- 9:34Host 2: Awful.
- 9:35Host 2: And the paper explicitly compares this tragedy to Portugal's own historic Pedrógão wildfire disaster.
- 9:39Host 1: Which is huge.
- 9:41Host 1: Bringing up Pedrógão carries immense unresolved trauma for the Portuguese public.
- 9:44Host 1: In 2017, the Pedrógão Grande wildfires killed dozens of people,
- 9:48Host 1: many of whom were trapped in their vehicles trying to flee the flames on rural roads.
- 9:52Host 2: It's terrifying.
- 9:53Host 1: Yes,
- 9:55Host 1: so seeing a mirror image of that tragedy unfolding just across the border in Spain
- 9:58Host 1: is a terrifying reminder of their own vulnerability to extreme heat.
- 10:01Host 1: And domestically, you see the resources just vanishing to sustain basic life.
- 10:04Host 1: Correio da Manhã covers protests happening in Almada.
- 10:08Host 1: Citizens are out in the streets holding signs that say "water is a right."
- 10:11Host 2: Right.
- 10:13Host 2: The water shortages are so severe that they are actively forcing local restaurants to shut down
- 10:16Host 2: because they literally cannot wash dishes or operate their kitchens.
- 10:19Host 2: Just basic sanitation is gone.
- 10:21Host 1: Exactly.
- 10:23Host 1: And to add insult to injury, the paper notes that diesel prices
- 10:26Host 1: have just suffered a brutal rise.
- 10:28Host 1: Mobility is expensive, and basic utilities are scarce.
- 10:31Host 1: Which brings us all the way back to your opening question about Almada.
- 10:34Host 2: Here's where it gets really interesting for you listening.
- 10:37Host 2: Buried in Publico, an official gives this bizarre interview
- 10:40Host 2: noting that water consumption in the city of Almada is inexplicably spiking
- 10:44Host 2: at 2:00 in the morning.
- 10:46Host 1: I was thinking about why an entire city would spike its water use
- 10:50Host 1: in the middle of the night, and it suddenly makes sense.
- 10:52Host 1: Are people secretly hoarding it while the authorities sleep?
- 10:55Host 2: This raises an important question about what climate change
- 10:57Host 2: actually looks like in practice.
- 10:59Host 2: This is what it looks like when it transitions from a theoretical debate
- 11:02Host 2: about global temperatures into a daily logistical nightmare.
- 11:06Host 2: It's just survival.
- 11:07Host 1: Yeah.
- 11:09Host 1: When citizens are protesting for water and businesses are shutting down,
- 11:13Host 1: the foundational infrastructure of daily life is breaking.
- 11:15Host 1: So people are altering their entire sleep schedules to run washing machines,
- 11:19Host 1: take showers, or fill reserves during the few hours
- 11:22Host 1: they believe the grid is least strained.
- 11:24Host 1: Or perhaps when the water pressure is actually strong enough to flow.
- 11:27Host 2: Right.
- 11:29Host 2: It's a society quietly adapting to system failure in the dead of night.
- 11:32Host 1: The background stress is just immense.
- 11:35Host 1: You have to ask yourself, with failing schools, predatory housing loopholes,
- 11:38Host 1: soaring diesel costs, and the looming threat of wildfires,
- 11:42Host 1: how does a society keep functioning without collapsing into total anarchy?
- 11:45Host 2: Honestly, you'd think the entire country would be rioting.
- 11:49Host 2: But instead, the rest of these front pages are heavily dedicated to escapism.
- 11:52Host 2: They are reading about beer, public transit, and football.
- 11:55Host 1: Ah, the great cultural pressure valves.
- 11:57Host 2: Yes.
- 11:58Host 2: Let's start with some of the good news they are holding onto.
- 12:01Host 2: In Porto, there's a huge rush for the newly launched Cartão Porto.
- 12:04Host 2: It guarantees free public transport for residents.
- 12:07Host 1: That's a pretty big deal.
- 12:09Host 2: It is.
- 12:11Host 2: Now, JN does note that politicians admit this will likely lead
- 12:14Host 2: to future restrictions on cars in the city center,
- 12:17Host 2: but for today, people are thrilled about the free rides.
- 12:20Host 2: It's a rare win for the citizen's wallet.
- 12:23Host 2: And culinary traditions are persisting despite the chaos, too.
- 12:26Host 2: Publico runs a special feature exploring the new paths of beer,
- 12:29Host 2: from the glass to the plate, delving into high-end gastronomy.
- 12:32Host 1: Love that.
- 12:34Host 2: Yeah.
- 12:35Host 2: And JN joyfully celebrates the declaration of a new Port wine vintage,
- 12:39Host 2: which is culturally significant because the region has been waiting seven years
- 12:42Host 2: for a harvest good enough to declare a vintage.
- 12:44Host 1: That's amazing.
- 12:46Host 1: But you know, nothing dominates the cultural psyche of these papers quite like football.
- 12:49Host 1: The national team has a new manager, the legendary Jorge Jesus.
- 12:53Host 2: Of course.
- 12:54Host 1: His quotes are splashed everywhere.
- 12:56Host 1: He's already managing squad drama, insisting that Cristiano Ronaldo
- 13:00Host 1: will never be a problem for the team.
- 13:02Host 2: Standard football drama.
- 13:04Host 1: Right.
- 13:05Host 1: But on the global stage, the 2026 World Cup is steeped in controversy.
- 13:08Host 1: The sheer volume of polemic surrounding the tournament is staggering.
- 13:11Host 2: It really is.
- 13:12Host 2: JN runs a headline about a "cunha"—which by the way is a great Portuguese term
- 13:16Host 2: for pulling political strings or calling in a massive favor—
- 13:19Host 1: a very specific cultural concept, yeah.
- 13:21Host 2: Yeah.
- 13:22Host 2: And this cunha allegedly involves Donald Trump intervening in World Cup logistics.
- 13:26Host 1: Now, just to read this in for you listening again, our impartiality rule—
- 13:29Host 1: we are throwing around some wild allegations here.
- 13:31Host 1: We aren't validating Trump's involvement in any way,
- 13:35Host 1: we're just looking at what Portuguese citizens were being fed in the headlines.
- 13:38Host 1: But true or not, the fact that it's front-page news shows how crazy the global stage has gotten.
- 13:41Host 2: The same article even mentions a Paraguayan senator hurling insults
- 13:45Host 2: at the French star Kylian Mbappé.
- 13:47Host 2: I mean, it's a total circus.
- 13:48Host 1: It is a circus, but it serves a vital sociological purpose.
- 13:51Host 1: The nation obsesses over this drama as a necessary coping mechanism.
- 13:54Host 2: You think so?
- 13:56Host 1: Oh, absolutely.
- 13:57Host 1: Football, especially in Portugal, is fundamentally tied to local and national identity.
- 14:00Host 1: It is the one arena where the rules are actually clear.
- 14:03Host 1: Unlike the broken bureaucratic exams we discussed,
- 14:07Host 1: in football, the ball goes in the net or it doesn't.
- 14:09Host 2: Wait, I want to push back on this a little bit.
- 14:12Host 2: I mean, does a nation obsess over football drama and free transit passes
- 14:16Host 2: as a necessary coping mechanism for all the heavy existential stuff we just talked about?
- 14:19Host 2: Or is this just standard summer news? Is it really that deep?
- 14:22Host 1: It is entertainment, absolutely.
- 14:24Host 1: But look at the specific language the new manager is using to rally the public.
- 14:27Host 1: Jorge Jesus demands that the national team "play double."
- 14:30Host 1: Actually wait, looking at that quote, "play double," it's deeply ironic.
- 14:33Host 1: That is exactly what the citizens are doing.
- 14:36Host 1: The highly educated immigrant cleaning houses is playing double to survive.
- 14:39Host 1: The family dealing with the brutal rise in diesel prices and hoarding water at 2:00 AM
- 14:43Host 1: has to play double just to maintain a baseline standard of living.
- 14:46Host 2: You nailed it.
- 14:48Host 2: They are all playing double just to stay afloat.
- 14:50Host 2: When the national football manager demands that same grueling, double effort
- 14:53Host 2: from millionaire athletes on the pitch, it resonates on a subconscious level with the public.
- 14:57Host 1: Oh wow.
- 14:58Host 1: It validates their daily struggle, takes their exhaustion,
- 15:02Host 1: their need to constantly overperform just to survive a failing system,
- 15:05Host 1: and repackages it as a heroic, patriotic virtue on the grass.
- 15:08Host 2: Wow, yeah.
- 15:10Host 2: The escapism isn't just a distraction from the grind, it's a reflection of it,
- 15:13Host 2: just with a much prettier backdrop and fairer rules.
- 15:16Host 1: It gives meaning to the exhaustion.
- 15:18Host 1: That is so interesting.
- 15:20Host 1: So as we pull back and look at this entire stack of newspapers from July 11th, 2026,
- 15:24Host 1: we've covered an unbelievable span of human experience
- 15:28Host 1: packed into a single 24-hour news cycle.
- 15:30Host 2: We really have.
- 15:32Host 2: We started with the bureaucratic nightmare of national education
- 15:35Host 2: and digital contracts awarded behind closed doors.
- 15:38Host 2: We waded into the dark realities of a 15-year-old trafficked on the streets of Espinho
- 15:41Host 2: and elderly tenants facing eviction by legal loopholes.
- 15:44Host 2: We saw the climate crisis force an entire city to hoard water in the dark,
- 15:47Host 2: triggering protests while neighboring regions burned.
- 15:50Host 2: And we ended with the cultural lifeblood of free transit, a seven-year wait for vintage port wine,
- 15:54Host 2: and the global soap opera of the 2026 World Cup.
- 15:57Host 1: And for you listening, the reason these seemingly disconnected stories matter
- 16:00Host 1: is that these front pages are an unvarnished mirror of the modern global condition.
- 16:04Host 2: Yeah.
- 16:05Host 2: We are constantly balancing extreme technological progress with primal, ancient struggles.
- 16:09Host 2: We have a government that can commission complex digital correction platforms,
- 16:12Host 2: and a society that can globally broadcast a World Cup.
- 16:15Host 2: Yet that same society is still fighting for basic water, shelter from fires,
- 16:18Host 2: and fundamental fairness in how human beings are treated.
- 16:21Host 1: It's that tension between a hyper-modern future and primal survival happening simultaneously.
- 16:24Host 1: Which leaves me with one final lingering question for you to mull over as you go about your day.
- 16:28Host 2: Let's hear it.
- 16:29Host 1: Consider the paradox of visibility today.
- 16:31Host 1: In a hyper-connected 2026 where we can build digital exam systems
- 16:35Host 1: and where we can instantly read about a Paraguayan senator insulting Mbappé
- 16:38Host 1: from halfway across the globe,
- 16:40Host 1: how is it possible that a 15-year-old boy was starved and beaten in plain sight
- 16:44Host 1: on the streets of Espinho every single day to collect 160 euros?
- 16:47Host 1: What does that say about what our modern systems are actually designed to look at?
- 16:50Host 2: That is a powerful question.
- 16:53Host 2: We have all the information in the world, but our attention remains fiercely selective.
- 16:56Host 1: It really does.
- 16:58Host 1: We hope this deep dive gave you a new lens to view the news cycle,
- 17:01Host 1: and a reminder to keep questioning the mechanisms of the world around you.
- 17:04Host 1: Thanks for joining us today, and we'll catch you on the next deep dive.
- 17:07Host 2: Keep looking closer.