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Ep. 434: Setting Up the Perfect Whitetail Bow with Jace Bauserman · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the
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  Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host Mark Kenyon.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm your guest
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  Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson, and this is episode number four thirty four.
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  Speaker 1: Today on the show, we've got outdoor writer and archery
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  Speaker 1: nut Jason Bosserman, and we're going to dive deep into
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  Speaker 1: what he considers the perfect white tail bow set up. Everybody,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, which is brought
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  Speaker 1: to you by First Light. I am your guest host
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  Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Mark is off somewhere today and he just
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  Speaker 1: he sent me a text and said he's got a
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  Speaker 1: new saddle hunting strategy where he wants to be more
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  Speaker 1: limber and more flexible, and so he's down at a
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  Speaker 1: hot yoga slash ballet retreat. I guess he said something
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  Speaker 1: like that. So he's gonna be a monster in the
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  Speaker 1: uh the saddle this fall. I guess that's his plan.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got me this week. And since we're kind
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  Speaker 1: of in the heart of the summer and really thinking
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  Speaker 1: a lot about shooting and gear and and summertime scouting,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to have Jason Bosserman on. Jason is a
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  Speaker 1: outdoor writer. He's a podcast host. He is one of
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  Speaker 1: the people I know who's set up probably more bows
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  Speaker 1: than just about anyone else out there. Really really a
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  Speaker 1: gear Junkie's a Western guy who has fallen in love
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  Speaker 1: with white tail hunting. So he takes his archery tackle seriously.
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  Speaker 1: And so I want to do just a total bow breakdown.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you do this? Why do you do that?
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  Speaker 1: What's your white tail set up look like? And we
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  Speaker 1: really get into the weeds and a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: This is a kind of a gear centric podcast, but
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  Speaker 1: it also ties in summer shooting practice, how you should
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  Speaker 1: how you should address those things, and how it applies
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  Speaker 1: to being a better shot in the white tail. It's
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  Speaker 1: really interesting podcast. Jason is an awesome guest. I think
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna love it. Jase Michael, how are you, buddy?
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  Speaker 1: I am well, Mr Peterson, how are you doing this
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  Speaker 1: this wonderful morning? I'm great. I'm drinking coffee out of
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  Speaker 1: a frozen mug, uh, not not like a physically frozen mug,
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  Speaker 1: like a Disney frozen mug, and it's delicious. And I
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  Speaker 1: just work some dogs and now I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you about some bow hunting gear. First question though,
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  Speaker 1: So it's about degrees here. So is it like two
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  Speaker 1: d where you live? We just got Yeah, I just
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  Speaker 1: went outside and checked. I let the dogs out, well,
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  Speaker 1: and or let the dogs out. And you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to lie, dude. I know you're drinking out of Lila
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  Speaker 1: sippy cup frozen Disney. You're a Disney guy. See oh. Man, So,
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  Speaker 1: so is it super super super hot out there or not?
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  Speaker 1: It is super hot, we but we weren't. Man. We
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  Speaker 1: have had more rain in the last month than we've
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  Speaker 1: probably gotten in the last two years combined, I'd say
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  Speaker 1: over the last month and a half. So now it
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  Speaker 1: is though we we hit a hundred yesterday, We're going
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  Speaker 1: to hit a hundred and one today, and then we're
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  Speaker 1: kind of going to get into that hot dry spell
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  Speaker 1: that usually is June first part of July, and then
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  Speaker 1: hopefully we'll catch our monsoon season at the end of July.
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  Speaker 1: Because everything here right now is you'd actually come here
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  Speaker 1: and want to be here and not question why why
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  Speaker 1: I want to live here? Like the plains are like
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  Speaker 1: super green, the prairie grass is up to your calf.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the river bottoms are gorgeous, The fields look good,
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's it's a pretty time to to live
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  Speaker 1: here right now, but it will be short lived. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's uh, I've I've fallen for that trip for Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it should be good antelope hunting though for you this
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  Speaker 1: year with those conditions, I hope, So, yeah, it should
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  Speaker 1: be good. If the numbers are there, we'll we'll be fine.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about white tail gear. But I
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  Speaker 1: had a thought earlier, earlier today. I was when I
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  Speaker 1: was working the dogs. You drew a sheep tag this year.
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  Speaker 1: I did nineteen years of applying and I drew a
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  Speaker 1: sheep tag. So I was thinking, I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: many guest marks had on this podcast. It's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, I'll bet I bet Jason isn't
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  Speaker 1: the only one who's drawn a sheep tag on here,
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  Speaker 1: because he's probably had Lelakowski and some of those guys on.
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  Speaker 1: But I bet you're the poorest guy to ever draw
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  Speaker 1: sheep tag on this podcast. I am the poorest guy
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  Speaker 1: to ever draw a sheep tag, and it will be
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  Speaker 1: the only sheep tag I ever have because I'll never
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  Speaker 1: draw again in Colorado. Um. In my younger years, I
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  Speaker 1: I mean, as a struggling outdoor writer, I didn't have
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  Speaker 1: the money to put in in various states for cheap um.
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  Speaker 1: So this will be my one, one and done on sheep.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel very fortunate to have the tag. And
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  Speaker 1: uh yeah, season starts August first, and so all all
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  Speaker 1: preparations are being made and I'm really just I'm really
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  Speaker 1: excited to have have the tag drew, to have drawn
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  Speaker 1: the unit that I drew, and and it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. It's it's gonna be a blast.
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  Speaker 1: So you you live in arguably the flattest place in
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  Speaker 1: the country, how do you practice for sheep hunt? Well, um,
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  Speaker 1: practice shooting wise or just okay, so it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit difficult. But what what I'm what I'm doing
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  Speaker 1: is just making sure that everything is everything is flying
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  Speaker 1: good and true, you know, obviously on flat ground, um
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  Speaker 1: as far as I as far as I want to shoot,
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  Speaker 1: you know, shooting typically out to a hundred and twenty yards,
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  Speaker 1: not I'm definitely not gonna shoot at a sheep and
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  Speaker 1: a hundred twenty yards, but just making sure that the
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  Speaker 1: bow and everything that that my my arrow broadhead combo
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  Speaker 1: is dialed in um, those types of things. And then
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  Speaker 1: I've actually made a few trips just to the canyon
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  Speaker 1: country out here, which we do have where I can
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  Speaker 1: practice some steep angled shots, and I've just totaled, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, either a block or a small three D target,
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  Speaker 1: and position that target at step angles up and downhill, um,
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  Speaker 1: checking my third axis that sort of thing, and making
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  Speaker 1: sure that that everything is is spot on ready. But
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  Speaker 1: it is a challenge to practice those type of shots here, um,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't have to go too far to do it.
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  Speaker 1: So I've been trying to do that once a week,
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  Speaker 1: um without fail, and and not making an excuse not
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  Speaker 1: to drive the thirty forty minutes out there and not
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  Speaker 1: get that done, because you know, the chances of that
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  Speaker 1: shot being on flat ground is going to be pretty minimal.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to make sure that my form um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, bending at the waist, making sure that everything
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  Speaker 1: is just right. Then I'm climbing into my anchor and
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  Speaker 1: executing through my hinge properly. All those things have to
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  Speaker 1: be just right, so I don't want to leave anything
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  Speaker 1: to chance. So it's just like anything else, right, it's
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  Speaker 1: just staying discipline and making sure that you're dedicating that
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  Speaker 1: time and and making yourself available to go get that
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  Speaker 1: work in. Yeah, and you you shoot a lot anyway,
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  Speaker 1: you set up a lot of bows and you you're
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  Speaker 1: a gear head for sure when it comes to archery.
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  Speaker 1: But how much how much added pressure do you feel,
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  Speaker 1: you know, practice wise? I know, I know physically, Like
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  Speaker 1: for the people who don't know, you're always working out
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  Speaker 1: and running, and you've done Hunter Mountain marathons. You're probably
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  Speaker 1: not that worried about that aspect compared to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people would be. But what's the pressure situation like
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  Speaker 1: to just not totally shank a shot on a sheep? Well,
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  Speaker 1: so much that I don't even want to talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm pissed that you put it out there in
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  Speaker 1: the universe. Thanks dick Um. There's no way you're going
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  Speaker 1: to screw up an easy shot on a sheep. Yeah. No,
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  Speaker 1: I you know, I a guy I know in Gunnison.
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  Speaker 1: Well I'm getting to know him as up where I
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  Speaker 1: drew this tag. His name is Connor Clark. He his
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  Speaker 1: dad owns a trading post there where they they trade
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  Speaker 1: antlers and it's an amazing store. If you're ever in
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  Speaker 1: the Gunnison area, like it's it's it's an incredible store.
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  Speaker 1: And Connor actually drew that tag last year during the
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  Speaker 1: late season and we got to talk and he actually
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  Speaker 1: sent me a video of his hunt. Heeper out along
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  Speaker 1: a videographer and he had the hunt video and he
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  Speaker 1: actually he missed a ram. I mean on the video
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  Speaker 1: he missed, he missed a ram, and you could just
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  Speaker 1: see like the devastation of thinking it was over and
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  Speaker 1: like it was my once in a lifetime opportunity. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, three or four days, I'm not sure how
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  Speaker 1: many days later he killed. He killed a bigger ram. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And talking to him, he's like, man, I considered myself
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  Speaker 1: Iceman and tel you're at full draw on a big
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  Speaker 1: on a once in a lifetime big horn sheep. So
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  Speaker 1: he's like, just keep that, keep that in mind. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I'm just trying to constantly put myself
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  Speaker 1: in as much pressure situations as I can while I'm shooting. Um,
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  Speaker 1: just you know, I'll go run, I'll lift really heavy
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  Speaker 1: and then um come home and shoot. Just just different
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  Speaker 1: things like that to just try to up the any
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  Speaker 1: a little bit and then just making sure right now
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  Speaker 1: I'm not focused on how many arrows I'm shooting per day. Um.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of guys will go out and they'll shoot
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  Speaker 1: two hundred arrows to say they shot two hundred arrows. Um.
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  Speaker 1: You know, yesterday I stepped out and I shot five
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  Speaker 1: arrows at sixty five yards. And I'm just making sure
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  Speaker 1: that my execution that I make the best shot that
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  Speaker 1: I can make for every arrow that I send, And
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  Speaker 1: that's my goal. That's always my goal. But I've really
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  Speaker 1: been honing in on that from this point forward is
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  Speaker 1: making sure whether I step in the backyard to shoot
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  Speaker 1: at twenty yards or I'm shooting at a hundred and
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  Speaker 1: twenty yards, that my execution from the time that I
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  Speaker 1: get into my bow to the time I crawl into
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  Speaker 1: the anchor and tell my release breaks that might fall through,
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  Speaker 1: that everything is just that that arrow is the best
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  Speaker 1: arrow that I can make. Because I I think it
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  Speaker 1: was General Patton that that had a quote that's really
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  Speaker 1: stuck with me, and I'm not sure it's him, but
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  Speaker 1: he said, if a man gives his best, what else
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  Speaker 1: is there? And so that's kind of way the way
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  Speaker 1: I'm going into this hunt is I'm giving my best. Physically,
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  Speaker 1: I'm preparing myself mentally, and I'm preparing to make the
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  Speaker 1: best shot that I possibly can if I'm if I
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  Speaker 1: earned that opportunity, and you know, at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, if I go through those things, I'm confident
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  Speaker 1: that that I won't botch it. Well, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's so easy to to think about this, uh to
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  Speaker 1: to to accept the importance and the dedication to that
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  Speaker 1: tag and and the shooting, and you know, it's you
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  Speaker 1: know that you can't just go up and get into
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  Speaker 1: the mountains of sculpt a sheep all the time. So
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  Speaker 1: you gotta control what you can control. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that you know, in the white tail world, we really
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  Speaker 1: gloss over this aspect a lot. Like there are people
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  Speaker 1: who are who are you know, gear junkies who shoot
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  Speaker 1: a lot and they like the they like the flight
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  Speaker 1: of the arrow right, But we we focus so hard
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  Speaker 1: on scouting and finding the spot and patterning the book
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  Speaker 1: and finding that buck ben and doing that kind of
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  Speaker 1: stuff that we've kind of just like missed the message
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  Speaker 1: a little bit that it's it's real important to keep
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  Speaker 1: shooting and to get into that muscle memory situation so
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  Speaker 1: you can go on autopilot because you're gonna get some
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  Speaker 1: level of buck fever. Most of us are, especially if
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  Speaker 1: we're working at it hard on public land or pressure deer,
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  Speaker 1: and that muscle memory and that just going into the
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  Speaker 1: zone thing where even if your brain shuts down, you
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  Speaker 1: can still make it happen. That's important. It's huge, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's massively important. And I think that's where you have
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  Speaker 1: to be honest with yourself. You know, here, guys tell
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  Speaker 1: me all the time. You know, I don't get buck
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  Speaker 1: fever at all. I never get buck fever. You know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how many animals I've taken with my bow,
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  Speaker 1: but it's been a bunch. And if I go to
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  Speaker 1: shoot a dough to this day, there is an element
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  Speaker 1: of buck fever. What even though it's a dope that
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  Speaker 1: sets in and it's preparing for and being able to
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  Speaker 1: handle that and still execute in those situations. You can.
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  Speaker 1: I've always said you can. You can scout and and
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  Speaker 1: you know, I could know where this ram that hopefully
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  Speaker 1: is mine, that is living out there somewhere is gonna
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  Speaker 1: go and and and be, and I could know the
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  Speaker 1: rock he's gonna stand on and everything like that. I
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  Speaker 1: could do all of that, But if I can't execute
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  Speaker 1: and I haven't done my job in that in those terms.
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  Speaker 1: Then the scouting and the maps and talking to these
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  Speaker 1: guys that have had the tag, and visiting with biologists
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  Speaker 1: and looking at winner mortality and all the things that
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  Speaker 1: that go into to any type of hunt that I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they're kind of for not at that point you have
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  Speaker 1: the experience of that, but at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: you you have a sob story to tell rather than
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, yeah, I mean, it was an amazing
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  Speaker 1: experience from top to bottom, and I finished the way
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to finish. Um. It was a clean shot.
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  Speaker 1: The animal expired quickly, and you know, and that should
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  Speaker 1: be the goal of of whether you're holding you know,
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  Speaker 1: whether you have a sheep tag in your hand, or
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  Speaker 1: whether you're going to go out and and then your dope,
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  Speaker 1: then your dough herd or something along those lines. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's our responsibility to make sure that we're at our
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  Speaker 1: best when we're shooting. And I know that it's easy
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  Speaker 1: to get caught up in like you said, man, that
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  Speaker 1: the scouting and figuring that buck out and and and
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  Speaker 1: where his home ranges and and where he's watering and bedding,
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  Speaker 1: and whereas whereas you know where he's going to eat
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  Speaker 1: and all the different things that go into that. But
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  Speaker 1: you have to be able to um execute because if
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  Speaker 1: you do things right. You and I have talked about
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  Speaker 1: this before, chances are you're gonna earn your opportunity. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna get that shot. You're gonna get that chance.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're prepared for that chance, your odds of
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  Speaker 1: finishing the way you wanted to finish, the way you
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  Speaker 1: imagine finishing um in your brain, will will will come
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  Speaker 1: will come true, you know. And I think you have
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  Speaker 1: to have that visualization. You know, I visualized myself holding
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  Speaker 1: that ram. I visualize my arrow hitting home where it
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  Speaker 1: needs to be. I'm you know, you have to step
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  Speaker 1: away from the negativity. And they're like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: what if what if? Put it? As soon as you
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  Speaker 1: start putting that into your mind. Um, you know, things
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  Speaker 1: can go south in a hurry. Um. So it's an
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  Speaker 1: easy it's an easy thing to talk about and say,
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  Speaker 1: but it's a hard thing to do. Yeah, well it's
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  Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, when we I've I've written about
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  Speaker 1: buck fever and I've talked about a ton and I
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  Speaker 1: think you have to just accept the fact that you
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  Speaker 1: know that it's it's there at some level always, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, and it can rear its head at stupid
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  Speaker 1: times you don't expect, and so you just sort of
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  Speaker 1: learned to compartmentalize it and go, Okay, that little part
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  Speaker 1: that sucks, it's gonna be there. Like I I deal
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  Speaker 1: with this, and it always comes up at such weird times,
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  Speaker 1: like there'll be times where I'll see a buck coming
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  Speaker 1: down the trail that I've been working on for on
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  Speaker 1: public land. I'm like, he's like, I'm just so confident.
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  Speaker 1: And there'll be times where I go where it's just
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  Speaker 1: like this should be an easy one and They're gonna
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  Speaker 1: come out into this field and I'm gonna shoot them,
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  Speaker 1: and I will screw it up so bad, and it's
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  Speaker 1: just like a reminder that it it's you can think, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I am the ice man like you said, and
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  Speaker 1: I will never I'm not gonna shank this ever or
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  Speaker 1: whatever like you will, like it's coming, and it's just
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  Speaker 1: you don't know when. And so it's like you have
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  Speaker 1: to be aware that every time you do this is
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  Speaker 1: sort of like you know it's not the first time,
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  Speaker 1: but you have to understand, like, the potential for failure
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  Speaker 1: is there, so you have to do your part. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the potential for failure is always there, especially when you're
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  Speaker 1: both hunting. Um, it's Murphy's law in a lot of
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  Speaker 1: ways than anything that you know can go wrong will
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  Speaker 1: go wrong. And but it's it's being it's preparing to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that that that that doesn't happen to the best,
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  Speaker 1: to the best that you possibly can. Yeah. Uh for
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  Speaker 1: this for this sheep hunt, or did you set up
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  Speaker 1: a boast? But typically for that I did? Um, I did,
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  Speaker 1: just being the gearhead that I am and wanting to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that everything is exactly the way I want it.
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  Speaker 1: I have played with multiple setups, Um, but I've got
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  Speaker 1: everything dialed down to exactly at this point. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's June. What are we June nine, I'm less than
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  Speaker 1: two months away from the opener, and nothing will change
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  Speaker 1: at this point, you know on the cheep set up
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  Speaker 1: look like for you then so for me, my my
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  Speaker 1: cheep set up right now is I'm shooting Hoyt's venom,
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  Speaker 1: um and it's uh the venom thirty three, So it's
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  Speaker 1: a thirty three in Axel to Axel bow. It's got
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  Speaker 1: a it's gotta what I would consider to be a
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  Speaker 1: forgiving brace height. It's not too light, it's not too heavy. Um.
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  Speaker 1: It's got a stabilizer mount on it that I really
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  Speaker 1: like that that that puts weight where I need it
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  Speaker 1: and allows me to customize that weight. UM. And Plus
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  Speaker 1: I can run a backbar stabilizer. And I have that
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  Speaker 1: bow set up to right now where you know, speed
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  Speaker 1: is secondary for me. UM with this particular bow. UM,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: I'm shooting a micro diameter arrow, but I'm still I'm
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: still right around grains, right right in there. And for me, UM,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: the smooth draw, being able to climb into my anchor
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: um let that pin, settle and and and hold without
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: those cans itching to press themselves into action. UM and
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: and being able to be very balanced and controlled is
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: what I was looking for when I set up my
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: sheet bow. I want I want maximum control UM from
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: start to finish. Are you using a fourteen pin sight?
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Are you using a single pin movie? Definitely, definitely not
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: using a fourteen pin site. I am using I am
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: gonna stay with my single pin spot hog hog Father
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: slider site. And I know that's that's something where a
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: lot of people, A lot of people can argue that, Um,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: but uh, for me personally, UM, a single pin site.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I like that dial to the yard, making sure that
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I'm able to dial to the yard. Um. I like
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: being able to have that ability too. And and plus
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: it's for me, it's part of my shot process as
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: a whole. Um. I know that once I get my range,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I go directly to my site and I
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: dial into that yard. And that has become so ingrained
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: in me, from white tails to elk to everything that
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: that is just simply a part of my simply a
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: part of my process. So I am going with the
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: single pin site. Again, I like that dial to the
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: yard capability. And again that's what I am, That's what
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: I'm absolutely the most familiar with. When you think of
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: you know, the main argument against a single pin mover
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: is they don't want to mess around when animal comes
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: into twenty yards and they were dialed to forty or whatever.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: But when you think about a sheep situation, you're most
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: likely gonna range that sucker forty six times before you
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: get the shot, before he stands up or whatever it's
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: gonna be. Yeah, that that's a good choice. What do
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: you do you set up? Then do you do you
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: set up a dedicated white white tail bow? I do? Yep,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I I well, let me rephrase that sometimes I do
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: and sometimes I don't. This year, this year, I definitely
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: will set up a dedicated white tailbow, just because everything
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: right now is set up so Western oriented for me.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Um that I definitely am going to set up a
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: dedicated uh white tailbow. What's different about that? No stabilizer, No,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not you. I still I still am going to
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I'm still going to run run my stabilizer system the
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: way that I want to run my stabilizer system. Um. However,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: what's different for me in in a white tail situation?
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: And this is where I think a lot of guys
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: might overlook or I I pull fewer pounds when I'm
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm hunting white tails, I just do. UM.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I know that my shots are going to usually be
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: between twenty and forty yards UM, and so I'm not
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: overly concerned with with the poundage that I'm pulling. I
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: want to make sure that when the conditions are there
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: worst and I'm bundled up in tons of tons of
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: clothing and I'm trying to stay warm and I'm sitting
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: in my stand, and those types of things that when
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I go and I hook onto my release, that I
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: can that I can hold my bow directly out in
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: front of me and bring that string straight back to
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: reduce movement, UM, to reduce anything like that where that
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: buck might snap its gaze up on and settle fix
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: its gaze on me up on the stand. I want
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: to make sure that I can come come directly back
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: crawling to my anchor and then execute the shot that
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the way that I need to the way that I
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: need to execute. So draw weight is something that I
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: always pay very close attention to. And the only way
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: you'll know, UM. I see a lot of guys when
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: they go to draw their bow, even even at a
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: local three D shoot or something like that. In there
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: they're pointing that riser to the sky and you can
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: just see the struggle on their faces. They're coming to
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: full draw or they're pointing that bow almost down at
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the ground and then bringing you know, to to to
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: get to full draw. And and those are tailtail signs
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: that you're pulling too much weight. And that's standing on
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: a range in shorts in a T shirt, UM and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: not shooting in you know, twenty degrees wearing tons of clothing,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: So you need to you need to be able to
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: practice those things. And no, um that the draw weight
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: is essential. Um. These bows right now they produce absolutely
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: so much kinetic energy. Um that, I mean, what are
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: you drawing for a weight for white tails? So right
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: now my bow is set, my white tail bow will
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: be set at sixty pounds. It will be but somewhere
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: between sixty and sixty five by the time I get
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: by the time I get everything backed out and I
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: get my you know, my limbolts where where I want them,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and they're they're set up correctly. Um, then then I'll
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: go through and I'll hook on my digital bow scale
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and I'll come to full draw and I'll get that
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: exact weight rate, weight range. But I want that to
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: be somewhere between sixty and sixty five pounds. If it
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: falls somewhere in there for me, I know that that's
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: where I'm at my absolute best with that. Have you
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: had any shoulder injuries? So yeah, I mean I have
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: experience to shoulder injury, and for me, in my opinion,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: it was from overshooting and pulling pulling two too much,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: too many pounds when I was when I was shooting,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: so I was commonly pulling somewhere between seventy and seventy
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: three pounds and testing tons of bows per year and
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: setting up tons of bows and going through the paces
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: of that and firing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of arrows,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and that that takes its toll, I mean, that takes
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: its toll on the body. And you know, eventually things
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: just started to break down, and tell I experienced a
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: shoulder injury to the point where I was wondering if
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I was going to be able to hunt that fall,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: or if I was going to have to go to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: a crossbow or something like that, because I simply couldn't.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't. I couldn't pull back thirty pounds UM.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And so for me, that was when that was for
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: me when draw weights became very critical. I did hardly
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: paid attention to it. I shot twenty nine inch draw length,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and I shot seventy pounds. And if that bow arrived
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: from the manufacturer and I clipped on my digital scale
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: and it was actually seventy three or seventy four pounds,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: that's where that bow stayed. UM. Because a lot of
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: manufacturers will tell you that a bow will perform at
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: its absolute peak, at its peak draw weight. So that
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: that was something that I always had in the back
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: of my mind. But after years of testing and tinkering
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: withdraw weight and the advancements that have been made in
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: bow design um from the camps to the riser to
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: everything else, I mean, I can I can drop my bow.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I can drop my seventy pound bow down to right
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: at sixty or just north of sixty, and I can
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: go through my paper tuning, walk back tuning, broadhead tuning
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: process and I've noticed very little difference in terms of
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: how that well that boat performs. So as soon as
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I got that out of my head um and and
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: just focused on taking care of myself and setting up
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: bows appropriately for for the animal I'm hunting for the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: weather conditions that I'm gonna be finding myself, into the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: clothing that I'm gonna be wearing, and realizing that putting
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: that arrow on the mark, putting that arrow in the
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: boiler room is the most important thing. And whether I'm
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: pulling seventy pounds, whether I'm pulling forty five pounds, it's
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: it's where you place that arrow yeah, that you know,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the idea that they perform optimally at you know, the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: peak draw weight whatever that that you know, seventy or
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: whatever that you know. I get that message, and you
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: know they've said that to me a million times too.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: But it's almost if that if that were really really
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: relevant to our infield accuracy, most bow hunters would probably
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: be better off getting a fifty to sixty and shooting
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: right at sixty. I would think, um, and no, no,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: no question about it. And I don't know, I don't
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: know if you really remember this or not, if you
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: were in the bow hunting game when this was like big.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: But I remember when I started, it was such a
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: manly thing to try to pull like eighty pounds, you know.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: So when I was like fourteen and the dipshits that
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I was around, you know, everybody was like striving to
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: pull as much pounded as possible. And now with what
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: we have at so silly. And I had a I
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I asked you about those injuries because I had an
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: injury from with lifting weights in I think it was,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and I tore I partially tore a muscle on my
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: shoulder and in August and was like, like you like
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: oh what am I gonna do? And I ended up
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: ordering a bow and that was a fifty to sixty
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: and I think I shot fifty five pounds that year.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I what I did was laid off it for like
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: three weeks. My wife's a physical therapist and she's like, Okay, well,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I know you're gonna hunt, so here's how you do
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: this to like mitigate any more damage and maybe heal
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: up a little bit. And I did. I was terrified
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: because I did the least amount of shooting in the
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: preseason that I've ever done. But I still matched up
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: broadheads and did did that kind of stuff, and I
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: still felt like I'm going into the field like if
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: they get yards away, they're gonna be in trouble probably,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: but like you have that nagging, that devil on your shoulders,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: like you're gonna this is gonna be bad, dude. And
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget. I went out opening night in Wisconsin
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: because that was one of the years when Wisconsin and
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Minesota had different openers. Wisconsin was week earlier. Usually they
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: fall on the same weekend. Opening night, I killed a buck,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: came in and I was like, Okay, I got that
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: out of the way. Next week in Minnesota killed a
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: buck on opening day and I'm like, Okay, now I
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: feel like and I just I went on a tear
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: that year. Yeah, I feel like it was partially because
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I was shooting a boat that was so so freaking comfortable,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: That's right, And that's where I was going to with
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: with everything, especially when you were asking me with the
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: sheep boat. So from my sheep bow to my white
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: tail bow and anything else in between, whether I'm setting
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: up for turkeys or anything. Comfort for me is at
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: a premium. I want the most comfortable shooting experience that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I that I can design. And when I find comfort,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I usually find balance and I usually find accuracy. Um,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I worry. Eighty pound limbs mean zero to me. Um,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying, guys, you know that if you want
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: to shoot eighty pounds, you know, and you feel comfortable
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: at eighty pounds, hey, hey, go for it. You know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of bow manufacturers making eighty pound eighty
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: pound limbs right now and models that were that are
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: designed for that. But you need to be honest with
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: yourself and find that build where you can be the
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: most lethal bow hunter you can be. And if at
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: any point you are struggling to get that string back
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: or it doesn't feel comfortable and you're really having to
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: strain and and and push that into the air and
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the right it's not worth it. All you're gonna do
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: is you're gonna you know, you're gonna create injury for yourself.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: You're not going to be as accurate as you want
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: to be, and you're gonna get very frustrated with how
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you're shooting. Is going you're not gonna shoot as much,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna shoot as often. And to do all
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: of that to say, well, yeah I shoot seventy or
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: eighty pounds that it's it's there's there's zero point in it.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: There's zero point. And if you have to take care
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: of your body and accuracy, comfort, those things, those things
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: are what what are what going to get animals killed? Yeah?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, and you can shoot shoot whatever you want,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: but just yeah, are you comfortable? Are you enjoying it?
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And and understand you know, there's I talked about this
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: a lot, like in relation to dog training. Like people
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: think that they're going to train their you know, their
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: lab or their GSPL summer long, and then it's it's
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you know it's a rock star on whatever triple blind
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: retrieves or tripod points, and then you get out there
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: in the field and there's a trophy and it might
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: be ten depending on the age of the dog and
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the experience. You just know it's coming. And when you
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: think about standing out there shooting at whatever range, shooting
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: at your block target and laying them in there on
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the bull's eyes, you just know you're probably not going
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: to shoot that well. When at In walks down the
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: trail after you've been grinding it out for eight days
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: of dark to dark sits like it's just a different world.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: So you've got to give yourself that chance. And the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: worst thing, you know, I know you've done this because
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you've you've shot with a lot of people and you've
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: photographed a lot of people, is when they get you know,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: you mentioned way earlier that those aggressive cams and a
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: bow that just is fighting to go off. When you
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: see people draw and then they have that slip moment
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: where they catch it, it's over like it's it takes
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: him right out of the game and that shot is
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: probably not going to be a good one. And that
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: happens when you drawn deer sometimes and it sucks. It
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: does suck, And i've i've, i've, I've done it in
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the moment that you are at full draw and then
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: in you and that and that release hand comes forward
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: and you creep and then you go to pull back,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: so too much can go bad. You're gonna punch. You
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: know you're gonna If you're shooting a hinge that arrows
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: ricocheting through the woods and carbon splattering everywhere. If you're
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: shooting an index finger, chances are you're gonna panic and
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: go ahead and just punch right through it because you've
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: already freaked yourself out because there was movement. If you're
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: shooting a thumb, the same thing is going to happen.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: So you know, That's where we talked about, like being
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: being so comfortable in your routine and having a bow
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: that is so comfortable at full full draw when I
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: crawl into my anchor, I want to know that I
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: can hold that bow until exhaustion. I want to know
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: that when when my when I am at anchor and
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I'm and I'm ready to shoot, I can hold that
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: bow until exhaustion and tell I physically can't hold anymore,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm the one that makes the choice to let down.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let the cams or the design of
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: that bow make that decision for me. Um And and
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to your point, you know, it all changes again when
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you when it's super cold outside and you're in lots
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: of clothing in the bucket a lifetimes coming down the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: trail and you know you're you're standing there and your
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: legs are knocking in your cold. Everything, everything should revolve
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: around comfort at that point and being able to crawl
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: unto your anchor and know with absolute confidence that you
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you have control. Ye. Well, I've noticed something I really
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: noticed this last year hunt in the late season, trying
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to kill one more dough here in the cities. Is
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you know you mentioned that, you know, hold the hold
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the bow out and draw straight back to your faces
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: your test. You know, if you can do that nice
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and slow, It's kind of like when you go to
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the gym and you see somebody lifting weights. If they're
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: throwing their body everywhere, they're they're overcome. The people who
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: can do slow, deliberate movement or you know, mountain hunting,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: slow deliberate uphill with a lot of weight on your back.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: That's somebody who's strong and prepared. If you gotta if
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: you really got to fling your ship around, it's and
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you're you're not as strong as you think. But that
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that slow drawback. You know, people get so worried about
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: getting busted by white tails drawing, and because yeah, I mean,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: it can break a lot of different ways. It's much
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: better to not get busted. But you know, in some
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: situations where they're gonna hear it, they're gonna see it,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: something like it's gonna happen. But I've noticed even in
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: my life just that that nice, slow, straight, straight back
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: draw I get less. They're they're less fired up if
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: if they bust me. So you know, if you're doing
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: something you draw quickly surprise you or something, or you
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: have to sky that and get more movement, you're gonna
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: get busted worse. And all that's gonna do is take
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: away a little bit of your brain because you're gonna
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: go this suckers moving, he's gonna go. And if they
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: you know, they're the One thing that I realized that
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: happens all the time to me that I kind of
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: have learned to mostly ignore is that there's a lot
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of times I'm gonna get busted drawing. You know, when
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I'm when I'm hunting in northern Wisconsin, those dear bust
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: me every single freaking time. But you can still kill them.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: And it's it depends how bad they bust you, and
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: you just you kind of learned to live with it.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: But you can mitigate some of the some of the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: bad bus by being able to draw your bowl better.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: And and that's that's exactly the case. And a good
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: example of that for me happened last year here in Colorado,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: was hunting a piece of public dirt. Um it was.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: It was later in November. I had been really sick.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Um I got I got the the COVID bug, and
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I was really sick. And coming off of it. It
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: was my first evening back into a into a tree stand,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and and I was I was weaker than normal and
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: and and it probably wasn't as mentally laser focused as
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I normally would be. But when I got up in
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: my stand, you know, later that evening, I had a buck.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I had a buck come through, and I made the
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: decision right away that you know, I was gonna I
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: was gonna go ahead and shoot that buck. And just
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the way that I had to position my stand in
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: that gnarled, horrible cotton wood that is so common out west.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't get the straight hardwoods. And
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I wasn't as high as I'd like to to have been,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: but that was my option. And when I went to
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: draw on that buck, it was cold, um, the wind
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: was blowing, and I was still able to bring that
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: string straight back, and that buck did bust me. But
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I could just tell by the way he fixed his
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: gaze up there it was not a bus like, holy crap,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: So my my internal thinking didn't shift too Oh what
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: do I need to do now he's bust me? Is
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: he gonna run? Is he gonna leave? He's gonna world?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Do I need to let one rip? My my concentration
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: was able to stay totally focused on where my pin was,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: sitting on him, letting him relax, and then going ahead
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: and executing the shot, and and within seconds he just
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: paid it no mind. But I didn't create a bunch
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: of additional movement, and I would because I didn't create
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: that additional movement, he wasn't on alert, and because I
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: knew he wasn't on super alert, my brain didn't go
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: into the oh crap mode. I just stayed true to
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: everything that I was doing and that resulted in a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: perfect arrow. Yeah. I mean, that's one thing that you
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: really get when you when you have enough experiences, you
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: you understand how how much worse it gets due to
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the level of bust and like the level of of
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: panic that's that's associated with how likely it looks they're
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: gonna leave your life. Like the more that you can minimize,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: you know, the feeling that these suckers are gone or
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: this this dude's gonna to bail on me quick here,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the better you'll do. And it's a hard I mean,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I don't that's one of this is one of those
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: things like telling people how to fight fish like I could.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I could write an entire book on how to fight
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: small mouth and it wouldn't do anyone any good. Like
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: they have to just go do it, and like you
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: have to get into these situations and see and lose
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: some of those deer and panic and miss and and
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: this this stuff is just gonna happen and eventually kind
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: of come to a place where like, Okay, I know
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: how this is gonna go. And then when it shifts gears,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: they're like okay, now I know how there's a really
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: gonna go And it's just it's one of those things
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: that's so important that just doesn't get talked about much.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think no, and it really doesn't. And I
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: think it's something that definitely needs to be talked about
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: more and and considered more. Because when you go into
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the white Tail woods with a bow that is comfortable
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: for you, that fills you with confidence, and that is
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: set up properly, your success rate is going to go
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: up because you're going to make you're going to execute
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: better in crunch time. You're absolutely going to execute better
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: in crunch time. Um. You know. So when I'm looking
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: at a white tail bow in my bow build, I'm
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: seeking a bow with a non aggressive cam system. In
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: terms of those cams just simply designed to to for
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: for maximum speed right um, where they're just really itching
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: to go. I want to make sure that, um, those
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: cams are very comfortable, that the bow feels comfortable, that
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the draw is smooth. When you get an overly aggressive
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: cam system, a lot of times you won't have that
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: smooth transition to let off. There may be a little
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: herky jerky motion in there, and sometimes that herky jerk
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: emotion can be enough to create that creep we talked
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: about earlier. You might just you know, when it goes
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: back and you hit hit your back wall, especially if
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: that pack wall is a limb stop um and you're
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: not pulling into the cable. When you hit the limbs
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and it's rock hard and it happens that quick and
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you're pulling with that much torque, there's there's just so
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: much that can go wrong. Yeah, well, and we should
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: say too. You know, I know you've You've set up
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: a ton of bows. I've set up a ton of bows.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: We've been really lucky in the bow hunting industry that way.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: And what you realize if you get five or six
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: bows a year and you set them up and shoot
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: him and hunt with them, you realize that, you know,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with brand loyalty, right like you you
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: might be a white fan of Matthews fan whatever, I
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: don't I don't care, but no, nothing, not no bow
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: company is producing the same thing year to year. And
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: so even if they have a reputation for being a
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: killer white tail bow or a killer Western bow or something,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: you really got to shoot them because it's that's one
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: thing that always amazed me how different you know, a
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: bow model from one manufacturer would be from you know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the flagship from one year to the next, and how
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: much I might like or dislike it, or how one
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: company who I'm like, I've every time I shoot the bows,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I don't really like it, and then I'll shoot one
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: and I'll be like, I really like this one. There's
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: a there's a lot to it, and it's it is
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: really a matter of getting into a pro shop and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: and spending some time with them and being serious about it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Because when you get that one that that works for you,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: it's really nice, like you said, and when they're set up, well,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: you know there's something that goes on there. We've been
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: dealing with this and on the dog side of things
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a lot with with these pandemic pups. You know, everybody
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: getting a puppy last year or adopting dogs and then
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: not getting them socialized very well because we were in
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: a lockdown, and you know, you weren't. You weren't out
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: and about with people in in new situations. So we
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: have a lot of dogs that are like a year
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: old now that have a lot of problems. And what
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: happens is if you don't socialize them right away. When
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: they're eight weeks old, ten weeks old, they're they're not
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: as much fun to be around, and so you tend
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: to keep them home more and exact abate that problem.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: If you've got a bowl that's not very accurate, not
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: shooting very well, or you don't like shooting it, you're
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: gonna shoot less and that's gonna hurt you. You are.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: And on the other side of things, if you get
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: one that you really enjoy shooting and it's fun and
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: you can you can lay them in there, you're gonna
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: shoot more. You are. And the thing is is what
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: you said. I tell guys this all the time is
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: pro shops are there for a reason. Um, whether you
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: like to set up your own bow. I set up
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: all my own bows from from start to finish, top
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: to bottom. But um shoot getting to shoot, whether you're
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: loyal to whatever manufacturer. Manufacturers have done a great job
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: of building different flagship bows or different budget bows. You
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: have a whole line. And if you get into that
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: pro shop, and that pro shop is worth its salt,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: they're gonna let you shoot just a ton of different bows,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: and you're going to start shooting them, and you're gonna
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: find one or two that you're like, Oh my gosh.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: From start to finish, that was silky smooth. From start
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: to finish. It just felt right. The grip fell into
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the palm swell area. I crawled into my anchor perfectly.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: The shot broke just the way I should The arrow
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: was right where I wanted it to be. Um, the
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: draw cycle was smooth. You're gonna find that bow. Um.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: But if you just go you know, read inc on
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a website or a magazine article or anything like that
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and go, oh, yeah, that's the boat, that's the boat
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: for me. I want that bow, and you go in
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: and your heart is set and you're dead set on
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: that boat, right, Um, you're not making the best informed
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: buying decision that you possibly can. I mean, I think
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: about it. Last week. I told you I went and
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: got a new truck, and I didn't buy the first
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: truck that I drove. I had my mindset. I wanted
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: to dodge Diesel since I was since I was a kid,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and besides the fact that they're a bazillion dollars. Um.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I I drove two of them, and I tried to
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: force myself to like them. I tried to force myself
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: to ignore the noise that I heard and the rough ride,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: and then I went back to the Chevy dealer and
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I Tom the GMC and I went for a cruise,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is it, and it's the same thing.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Don't fight it. If you're in a pro shop and
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: you had your mind set on this bow and you
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: said I'm getting this particular bow. When I go in
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: there and you shoot that bow and it does not
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: feel like the boat is for you, then that is
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: not the boat for you, And don't fight that decision.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Just say, hey, okay, I tried it. I'd like to
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: try this model from this same manufacturer. That's fine. I
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: want to try this model because the more you do that,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the more you up your odds of finding the one
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: that gives you the perfect test drive from top to bottom. So,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: speaking of contentious topics, you're still you're still a believer
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: in stabilizers, huh, even in the white Tail Woods. I
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: am a believer in a state babilizer. And there's multiple
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: reasons for being a believer in a stabilizer. Okay, So
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I know everybody's gonna say, yeah, shoot, I said earlier
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: shooting to twenty to forty yards, right shooting from twenty
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: to forty yards, which is most white tail shots is
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: that I've experienced, are gonna between twenty and forty. My
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: western shots can be a little bit longer where balance
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: comes at more of a premium in terms of where
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: a stabilizer with an offset um, experimenting with different weights
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: on the front end and and the back end of
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: those bars um is maybe a little bit more important.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: But a stabilizer, I always tell people, if you're gonna
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: put a five inch stabilize rubber stabilizer on your bow
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: that wiggles when you can bend it and wrap it
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: around your riser um, that is not a stabilizer. Okay,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: that that's piece of that stabilizers doing one thing. It's
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: it's a noise and vibration device. It is not a stabilizer.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: A stabilizer is meant to it's in the world. It's
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: meant to stabilize you. And so when I put a
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: stag bilizer in my bow and I spend time tinkering
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: with weights, you want to pick a stabilizer with a
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: good system that allows you to to to take weight
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: on and off of that stabilizer, because you're going to
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: find a point where when you pull back at full draw,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: that bow sits like a well trained retriever. That bow
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: just sits there and it will hold better on target um.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: When you don't have that stabilizer, you have weight out front.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: You've got your site. A lot of white tail guys,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I mean myself included, I shoot a dovetail site. I
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: my sites out front. You have weight out in front
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: of your riser, and so that stabilizer helps with that
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: a lot. And now you won't know it unless you
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: try it. You won't know the full benefit of a
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: good stabilizer system unless you try it. As far as
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: noise and vibration, you don't need a stabilizer. These bows
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: are too quiet. Don't don't if you don't want one
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel comfortable to you again going back
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: to comfort, that's fine. You you don't have to run
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: a state bilizer. I'd rather see a guy not run
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: a stabilizer than put a four inch or five inch
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: stabilizer on the front of his bow that was built
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: for no other purpose, because you don't need the noise
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: vibration if you're shooting a good set up your arrow
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: is heavy enough those types of things, that arrow is
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: going to absorb the energy. You're not going to get
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the noise in vibration. But to be as accurate as
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: you possibly can be, which I believe is essential from
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the Western woods to to the white tail woods. A stabilizer,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: A stabilizer system. And I say system, and that doesn't
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: mean you have to run a backbar. It doesn't mean
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: you have to run any of that stuff. But a
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: system that you are confident in that will that will
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: produce for you and give you added confidence and balance
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: that bow and allow you to hold a steadier and
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: let that bow aim. You're You're you're gonna up your
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: odds of success. In my opinion, you should have seen.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: So where this comes from is I've just gotten to
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: the point where white to hunting. I don't have a
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: stabilizer on my boa rising freaking polls every time I
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: see a picture. It drives a lot of people nuts.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And I brought it up to Mark when we were
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: out in Montana recently filming some YouTube stuff, and I
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: was I kind of like jokingly like said, oh, you
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: gotta gotta stabilizer on your way. Tobebo and he the
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: way he looked at me. He's like, well yeah, and
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: he's like, you don't use a stabilizer. I was like no,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: and he just looked at me like I was the
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: worst ever. Yep. Well here's here's the thing though. I mean,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: you're confident in it, right, So again everything goes back
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: to confidence. So if you're if you're if you're not
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: happy with the stabilizer on your bow, if you feel
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: like it's adding too much weight. You know, a lot
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: of guys are really concerned about weight. Um. I like
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: a heavier bow for me, The heavier the better. When
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I'm done with it, a heavier bow means a steadier
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: hold for me from from from east to west, it
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Heavier bow equals a steadier hold. Um. But
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: if you just don't like the feel, so much of
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: archery is feel, and if you don't like that feel,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: then you can take that stabilizer often experiment with it,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: because like I said, it's it's not doing you any
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: purpose if it's not being used as a stabilization device.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: If you just have it on there to cancel noise
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: and vibration, just get it off of there, because you're
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: just adding a necessary weight in terms of if weight
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: is an issue for you as far as feel yeah, well,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: and I should say, you know, I went through a
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: long period of my life where I shot a lot,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: especially before we had the girls. I shot a lot
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: of long range stuff, and I realized, you know, shooting
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: in the wind and shooting you know, just different conditions.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, I know, there's times where I knew
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: a stabilizer was helping me. If I was stretching out
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: beyond forty yards, I knew it. I could tell. And
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: you know, the same thing with certain kind of releases,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: and same thing with a certain amount of wind. You know,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: wind really started to affect me forty and beyond. And
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: so as I kind of got out of that stage
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and couldn't shoot as much because I had little kids
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: and just more stuff to do, my my range kept
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: creeping in, creeping in, and I'm like, you know, I'm
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: a forty and undershooter now, and I just couldn't find
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: enough difference to justify the kind of stabilizer I knew
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: I would actually need to help me shoot better. And
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: so it was kind of like, you know, if I'm
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: shooting white tails at twenty yards and my bow is quiet.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't need this, and I know people
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: all people all the time, they roll their eyes. I'm like,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it just works for me. Okay, So
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: but the the the this question has to come into
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: play too. How many white tail guys. I mean, I
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: saw more hunters out west last year than I've ever seen. More.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Hunters are expanding their adventures right They're coming west in
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: search of mule, deer, pronghorn, elk, everything like that. And
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: they don't want to set up multiple bows, but they
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: they you know, they just want one solid bow. And
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: when you start tinkering and changing things in terms of
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: weight on your bow, it changes an entire feel. So
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: for someone like you when you come here to hunt antelope,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I've noticed you don't have a stabilized and I've remembered
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: a few yards of you shots past forty that maybe
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: didn't go as quite as planned. Is that possible? Is
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: that would be fair? When I fair? To be fair,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I've been told that it was going to be a
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: slam dunk out of a blind at close range. I
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: knew that was coming, I said, walked right into it. Yes,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: But chaos, chaos and sues on the prairies as you know,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: with transla hawks and thorns and scorpions and rattlesnakes, So
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: you should expect and just knowing me that I'm an idiot,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: that we're probably going to be slipping around the cactus
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: trying to slip an arrow into a prong horn and
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the SHOT's going to be beyond forty. So guys, need
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: you're right. And I will say that I do. I
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: drew in any deer tag in North Dakota this year,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and I do have a stabilizer on my boat. Okay,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: so you now have a stabilizer on your boat. So
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: my question to you is how long is that stabilizer
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: on your boa? It's long enough and it's no enough. Yeah,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: you'll be very you'll be very pleased when you see
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: my California whether two and a half year old uh
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: mule deer. You're gonna be like, yes, okay, are you
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: running a backbar system with an offset or anything like
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: that or you just running a straight front stabilizer, just
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: a straight front perfect yea. And again that's that's that's
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: why manufacturers make these different types of stabilizers um so
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: that you can play with those different types of stabilizers.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: And you know, I feel like I'm probably beating a
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: dead horse here, But it all goes back to comfort
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: and what you feel most comfortable with. And if you
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: take your time and play with different settings with your bow,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: whether that's moving your site closer in towards the riser
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: or moving your site out um on the riser, whether
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: it's you know, take shooting with your quiver on or
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: shooting with your quiver off, or finding a quiver that
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: hugs the riser tightly. Everything you do, you should have
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: a purpose for doing. And the more you spend, more
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: time you spend testing and tinkering and and and looking
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: at these types of things, the more confident you're gonna
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: be in your final bow build. And when you're confident
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: your final bow build, you're gonna be a confident archer. Yeah. Um,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: should we talk should we talk arrows a little bit? Maybe?
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: What is your what are your white tailed arrow way
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: in it? My white tail arrows right now? So so
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: my white tail arrows weigh and right at about four
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: five grains their eastern five millimeter um full metal jacket. Um.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I love the I love the aluminum for reduced friction
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: passed throughs and they hit like a ton of bricks. U.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: My kinetic energy rating is right where I wanted to be.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: They have a good foc as far as front of
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: center that I've taken the time to set up. Um.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: And so my white tail arrow is is actually heavier
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: UM than my western arrow um. And I have reasons
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: for that. And people will object and and and but
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: that's what makes archery fun is is you can spend.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: You can spend things I want um. But again, it
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: all goes back to what I've had the most success
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: with and what I believe to be true. So my
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: white You're concerned their trajectory, well, I mean, for me,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: a heavier arrows quieter. I'm a firm believer that I
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: don't think these white tails. I don't think these deer
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: hearing the bow go off um. And a lot of
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: guys will say that is lately wrong, and it might
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: be completely wrong. They there are some bows that got
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: but I think they hear the arrow, That is my opinion.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: I think that they are hearing and reacting to the
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: arrow and flight, and a heavier arrow is going to
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: be quieter in flight. I mean it's I've I've proven
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: it to myself with high definition microphones. So I like
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: a heavier arrow in terms, you know, for for white tail.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: And because I'm shooting usually between twenty and forty yards,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not that concerned with things like drop. Um. I'm
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I'm usually shooting in in in a confined space with
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of trees and things like that, so I'm
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: not concerned as concerned about Uh, There's just a lot
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: of things that go into it. A heavy arrow will
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: will reduce wind buck and things like that. But a
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: heavy arrow for me just is perfect for white tails.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I like to be right around that four seventy mark
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: to be honest. But I mean, isn't it you know,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: saying that they don't hear the bogo off. You know
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: that they hear the bogo off sometimes, but sometimes they
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: that heavier arrow. You know, the noise of a bow
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: going off is vibration going somewhere not into your arrow,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: And the heavier the arrow, the more vibrations going in there.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: So it's all tied together. But I think I don't
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: entirely disagree with that. I do wonder, especially like I
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: think that broadhead choice has a huge impact on the
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: sound of an arrow, and I know, you've I know,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: you've stood next to people who shoot like vented broadheads,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: and so I think I think cutting down every bit
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: of noise everywhere is a solid choice. Yeah, And I
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: don't want to overlook bo noise because, like I said, bose,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I mean that is that is something Some bows produce
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: more noise than others others. I just like to make
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: sure that from top to bottom again, that my my
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: setup is as quiet as possible. And when you get
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: a really lightweight arrow that's sizzling and you get um,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: you know, a vented uh fixed blade on the front
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: end of that, you're you're going to create You're going
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: to create more noise. I mean, you just are that
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: arrow is going to be louder in flights. I mean
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: if you stand at a you know, safe place down
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: range where there's a wall or something like that. I've
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: been in pro shops where you know, you're separated from
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: the counter by just one you know wall that you
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: can hear through very easily, and guys are in there
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: testing broadheads and stuff like that, and you'll hear an
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: arrow go and you'd be like, oh my gosh, wow,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: that was extremely loud. And then you know me being me,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: I've got to go in there and see, like what's
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: going on. And nine times out of ten it's a
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: guy shooting a flamethrower with an ultra light arrow with
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: a minimum g p I rating for grains per inch
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: four that will work for that boast safely, and shooting
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: a large fixed plate broadhead with vined blades um and
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: then those types of things are just going to amplify
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: the amount of noise that is created. Yeah, well yeah,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: And if you think about it, this kind of goes
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: back to our comfort and drawing situation. You know, when
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: when a buck walks in, you might have three mistakes.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: You can make little sound mistakes, and the first one
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: might be here and you draw. The second one might
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: be if if you get three, the second one might
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: be that bow going off, and the third one might
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: be that arrow coming at and things start to fall apart.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: If you get three, you might only get to You
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: might only get one. And so addressing all that stuff
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: is important. And man, I know you know this because
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: you photographed people shooting a lot and you've been around
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: him a lot. I was just blown away, not only
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: by some of the vented broadheads that you're talking about
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: how loud they are. I mean it's like a loud whistle.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: But also just the differences in bows sometimes and you know,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: back when people you don't see this a lot anymore,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: but people still do it once in a while. That
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: the rubber a liner for a peep site. Yeah, you
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: stand next to that, Holy cow, it's so loud. Yeah,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: it's very loud. Yeah. And so there's something too having
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: somebody stand next to you and shoot. That's important. Yep,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: it's very important. And another thing I would recommend to
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: is if your bow sounds loud to you when when
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: it when you shoot, it probably is um. And you know,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: if you want to set up just take a standard
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: video camera, set it up. If you're shooting at thirty yards,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: set that video camera up at fifteen and make sure
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: everything is really quiet. Pick a real you know, a
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: day where the wind is nothing and it's really calm,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: so you don't get anything else, and shoot some different
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: arrow combinations and then go back and play them and
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: you will hear. You will hear a significant difference. Another
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: great way to do it is you know, standing it
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: as safe. And when I say safe, I mean I
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: always want something between me and that arrow, UM as
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: far as a wall or some some something like that. UM,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: don't ever put yourself in harm's away. But you can
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: get and listen to a buddy's arrow, or have them
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: listen to your arrow as it's passing, and they'll you know,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: many times I've come out and been like, man, whatever
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: you just shot is what you need to go with um,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: or come out and said, wow, what was that? You know,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: and then you start looking at the build of that arrow,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: in the build of that bow, and then if the
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: answer becomes very clear of why that was so loud, Yeah, Well,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: and we should say this too, you know, like you
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: mentioned this before. Yeah, obviously most people listening to this
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: are gonna have one bowl, right, so get the right one.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: And obviously people listening to this aren't gonna have multiple
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: multiple errow options. So just as like a sort of
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: as a guideline to all of this stuff we're talking about,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: at least personally me and I know you do this too.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: I just always go heavier. I air on the side
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: of heavier. And and you've you mentioned this earlier about
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I forget about speed. Who cares? And you know,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: up up the you know, go get on the right
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: side of spine first, you know, make sure you're make
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: sure you're working with that, and make sure you're working
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: with something that that weighs a little bit more, and
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: you forget about that chronograph, forget about how if if
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: you're worried about aero speed, just lie, Just tell people
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: you're shooting three forty and it's awesome. Nobody cares. But
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: but air on the side of heavier, you're gonna get
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: You're gonna you know, you'll get better penetration, you'll get
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: a quieter bow. The whole the whole thing just works
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: out generally better. Yep, from top to bottom. And in
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to touch on two that we
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: we we kind of we we kind of touched on it,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: but we tiptoed around a little bit too. Is for
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: those guys setting up one bow, you know, going back
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: to comfort being at a premium, especially with the cam
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: system and the overall build of the bow. Um, how
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: many times have you held on a white tail and
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: held on a white tail and held on a white
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: tail a lot? Right? Um, I've held on elk until
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: I when the boat went off. I honest to God,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: don't know how how I hit him because I had
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: held so long. And you need to be able to
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: do that. Um, you need to be able to hold
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: that full draw. And one of the things you need
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: to practice is doing that. Go outside when you in,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: you know, pick a shooting day, pick a shooting session.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I always give myself goals when I go out to shoot,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: but make your goal for that day to hold. Have
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: somebody stand there, start a timer on a stopwatcher, a
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: cell phone, and you hold that bow until you cannot
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: hold it anymore. Don't shoot the arrow and go ahead
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: and let down, and then have them give you the time. Yeah,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I'll bet it will shock you because you'll think your
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: this has been three minutes and it's been seconds. Yeah, yeah,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: it feels like forever. But um, and then gradually you
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: know you you can build up um your strength and
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: stamina by doing that. But only if you have a
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: bow that will allow you to do that. Um. You
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: need to realize that there's gonna be lots of times
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: in a hunting situation where you're gonna where you're not
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: gonna just draw back everything. The stars are gonna align,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: You're gonna put your pin there and the animal's gonna
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: stop perfectly and you're gonna shoot and boom. It took
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: from top to bottom. It took seven seconds. You know,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of times where it's the
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: exact opposite, and that that that that bucks staring up
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: at you, or he all of a sudden quarter two
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: and you need for him to go back to a
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: broadside or quartering away position, or that bull comes in
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: and catches draw for a minute and he's just frozen
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: staring at you at a full frontal at thirty two yards,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: and you have to hold through those moments. So again,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: you've got to have a bow that allow you to
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: do that, and you have to practice being able to
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: do that too. Yeah, I know this drives you nuts.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: But when you hear people say, you know, I held
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: on that I drew and I held back at full
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: draw for three minutes before I got that shot, I'm like, yeah,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: you mean one seconds, yep, And I've done it as
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: far as I stroke me so nuts that like on
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of outdoor television shows and stuff like that,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: guys are like, man, I held for two and a
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: half minutes. You know, all actually rewind it with our
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: TV technology. Now check it on my cell phone and
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: it was eighteen seconds. You know, it just feels like
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: that in the moment you're hyped up, your adrenaline is pumping,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: muscles are starting to break down, the shop process is
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: starting to break down, and the urge to bail out
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: of that shot and everything else starts to creep in.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: And you have to be able to stay poised and
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: stay steady and remain at full draw and just continue
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: to execute the best you can to give the to
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: put the best arrow out there that you can every shot. Yeah,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: and that and that that urge to bail out, like
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: you said, is where a lot of quartering two shots
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: get taken and a lot of questionable shots because it's
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: like I gotta get this over, I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: have to let down or shoot, and people get in
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: the mindset that I gotta shoot, and that's when a
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: lot of that stuff really breaks bad. Yep, and and
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: something else. I know it might not be on the
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: full gear topic here, but one of the things I
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: want to recommend to people, especially with shooting, is you're
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: preparing for white tail season or whatever you're preparing yourself
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: for shooting, wise, come to the understanding and know right
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: now that you're human and that you're gonna have days
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: where you go out and shoot. You might shoot lights
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: out one day and you might feel like, oh my gosh,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: everything in the world that gets and gets in front
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: of me this year is in trouble. You may go
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: out the next day and be like, this just isn't
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: going well, it's not feeling right. I'm not executing right.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Put the bow down, don't sit there and shoot two
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: d arrows to say you shot two hundred arrows and
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: develop bad habits. Let it go mentally, walk away from
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: the situation. Mentally, I mean, you look at the greatest
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: athletes in the world. You look at the Tom Brady's,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: you look at the you know, U Saining Bowld, Michael Phelps,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: whoever you want to look at some of the greatest
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: of all time. Every one of them has poor performances.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Every one of them has a bad day every now
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: and then, and you're going to be no different as
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: an archer. You're going to have those bad days, and
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: if you're out there, don't fight it. Don't fight the
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: mental game, don't fight the physical game. Don't start changing
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: things within your setup, and they can all my draw
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: links too long, or well I need to switch arrows,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: or this release I should go to a hand durin
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: index or this or that. Stay true to what you
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: have and what has proven itself well for you, and
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: just realize I'm having a bad day. Put the bow up,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: go play with your kids, go play with your dog,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: go fishing, get away from it, and then pick it
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: up again. Because that's the best medicine you can you
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: can do for yourself, shooting wise, mentally wise, everything. Yeah,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: And that's that's why you give yourself lots of time
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: to get in the groove over that's right, months and months,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: and you don't pick up the bow on September first,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: when the openers two weeks later, and that that that
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: idea of walking away, that's a hard one. It's a
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: hard one to realize how important it is. But there's
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: a reason if you're you know, I always say this
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: about people who miss miss a big buck at twenty
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: yards when they're like, oh man, I was just lights
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: out on the range, and I'm like, yeah, something was different.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: What was it like? And when you think about if
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: you can go out and you're laying them in there
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: and you're having a great time target shooting, and the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: next time you go out, you suck and you get
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: angry right away. You've got something else going on. You
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be there, and it's time to just put it
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: down and go back. Because we see the same thing
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: with dogs all the time, where a dog will be
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: just on fire, just everything's just tight one day, and
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: then the next day they're not into it, and it
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: does not do you any good to force them through
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: it because they're not going to get better. It's only
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: gonna get worse. That's right, it's gonna get worse before
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: it gets better. And then you have a whole new
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: slew of problems. Then things like target panic will start
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: to creep in. You'll start questioning everything that you do.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: It's better to just walk away from it for that
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: for for that period of time, resume it again the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: next day, get your mind right and go back after
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: it and realize that it was just you. You're human.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: It happens um you've hunted, you've hunted mountain lions, elk,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: all the western stuff, You've you've hunted white tails a lot.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: What what is it? And a guy living in Colorado
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: like you, with the options that are there every year,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: various tags you can get and you know the close
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: proximity states. What what is it about white tails that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: hooked you? Well, I'll say hooked in a big way
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: because I haven't hunted mule deer here in eight years.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: It has been eight years. I have some of the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: best mule deer hunting that anyone could ask for twelve
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: minutes from my house and I haven't put in for
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: mule deer tag in eight years. And the reason for
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: it is is I love the whole process that is
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: white tail hunting. I love I love everything about it.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: I love hanging the stands, I love trim and shooting lanes,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: I love hanging cameras, I love scouting. I love watching
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: bucks on an alfalfa field. Um. And for me, being
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: able to hunt that animal for a long period of
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: time throughout different phases of their of the cycle from
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: September through December and see how things change and be
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: out there to experience that and is second is it's
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: it's the best. I mean, it is the it is
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: the absolute best. And so for me that is what
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: is fun. And I don't think personally as a bow hunter.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: We bow hunt for a challenge in my opinion, I
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: love the challenge of bow hunting, and I don't know
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: that there's a bigger challenge than killing a mature white
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: tail buck. You have to be on your a game.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Everything has to be right or you just have to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: get stupid, dumb lucky. And I don't get stupid dumb
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: lucky very often. I'm an unlucky person as it is,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: and so I have to make sure everything is right
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: if I'm gonna and and killing killing any any white
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: tail for that matter. UM. I just I just like
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: the draw of it. I like how adaptable they are
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: as a species. I mean, we have them on the
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: prairie out here. I've seen him in the canyon country
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: standing next to mule deer out here. I love their adaptability. UM.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: I love their aggressive nature when they rut. UM. I
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: love that they're susceptible to food patterns. UM that you
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: can put a lot of work in that water plays
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: such a huge role, um figuring out weather patterns, moon phases.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: To me, it's the education part of it and being
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: a continual learner in realizing that when it comes to
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: that species, I I know nothing. I I think I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: know a lot, but I know I know very little,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: and that's that's exciting because I mean there's always room
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: to grow and get better. Um, and that's an any hunting,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: but as a white tail hunter, I really feel like
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: there's so much to learn and get better at that
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: will make you a more accomplished white tail hunter. Is there?
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  Speaker 1: Is there a part of it? Since you're you're born
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: and raised in Colorado, and Colorado is the destination for
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: non residents for elk right now, and just you know,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: obviously antelope and and mule deer as well, but elk
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: is the big thing. Is there part of this, this
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: white tail obsession? Is it? Is it kind of one
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: of those things out there where you know, a lot
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: of Western states there's the keynote species and white tails
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: pretty bottom of the barrel. It doesn't get as much attention.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Is part of it? Just the fact that you've got
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: an animal there that's not getting as much attention as
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the elk in the meal there and you can kind
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: of go work them and do your own thing without
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: constant people around you. Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: gonna sit here and tell you that it's not because
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: it is. I mean, white tail take I mean every
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: every deer tag in Colorado. We went to an all
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: draw system across the board for deer. You cannot get
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: in over the counter tag for deer, and I think
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: it's been gosh, it's been a grip of time. I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: can't tell you how long. Um. But every year there's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: white tail tags that are left over. I mean for rifle,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: there's there's tons of white tail tags left over because
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: it is a secondary deer species, and a secondary species
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: when it comes to Colorado. In the West and where
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: I live, I have great access to white tails and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: very few people that want anything to do with them
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: at all. So pressure is down, numbers are up, and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: it's a great time to be a western white tail
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: hunter for that. For that reason, UM, so I paid
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: very close attention to that. UM. I didn't see another
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: hunter hunting public land where I hunted last year. Now
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: I do hunt a lot of private land here close.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: But the tag I drew last year was a list
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: beat actually it was a list beach tag. Hydrow it
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: on my third choice and it was public or nothing
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: in that unit. So I hunted public land and I
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: hunted hard from October until the end of November when
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: I killed my buck minus the little COVID break. I
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: didn't see one other hunter on public land. I didn't
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: see a tree that had had a stand in it.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't see boot tracks, I didn't have people bumbling
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: into a setup or guys parked in the parking area.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: When I showed up, it was like hunting private land,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: and the the the animals on that on those public
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: tracks acted like animals that we're on well managed private
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: land because they hadn't experienced pressure. Um So I got
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: to served. You know, that's a lot of fun when
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: you get to observe dear behavior the way they're supposed
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: to act when they're not being pressured. Um So that's
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: a big part of it for me and I and
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: I can't speak to a lot of other Western states, um,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: but I know Colorado um white tail wise, it's it's
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: it's a secondary deer species. Yeah, well, and that's I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: just did a piece about this where you know a
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: couple of situations where public land for white tails hunts
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: better than private land. And it's there's such a pervasive
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: mentality out there that you always got to get on
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: private ground to have the best deer hunting possible. And
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: one of the one of the examples I gave was,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's changing with Western white tails now
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: to some extent because some of the states like North
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Dakota are really popular and people have their keyed into
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: that velvet hunting so that it's leveled off somewhere. But
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: there's still an element of you know, if you're in
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: the state that has six, seven, eight, ten big game
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: species that you might draw in a given year, the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: white tails usually not going to be super high on
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: the list for a lot of people. And so those
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: public land situations can be really, really good because people
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: are looking for other stuff. Yeah, they can be money,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: I mean. And with lots of Western states going, I mean,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: we've seen walking access in my neck of the woods
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: just increased. Montana has the block Management program where a
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: lot of these areas where white tails dwell are being
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: opened up. You know, landowners are opening up um their
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: property to the state Game and Fish and they're working
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: together to create more access for hunters. And as that
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: access is created, um, you know, guys and gals get
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: a lot more opportunity. Um. I know, right here in
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: my little neck of the woods two years ago, there
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: was no walking access, zero you could not find walking access.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: We had some state land, but no walking access. Right now,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I would say there is anywhere between seventy and eighty
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: thousand acres of prime walking access, and of that of
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: the at acreage, all of it is white tail. Now,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: there will be mule deer there too. There you might
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: find some elk, roman a river bottom or a bear,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: you know, those sorts of things. But when you look
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: at it as a as a big game hunter and
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: you start looking at where my neck of the woods
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: and start looking at those types of things, you say, well,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: that's white tail habitats. Um, that's getting opened up. Um.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: And it's yeah, I mean it's something that everybody should consider. Um,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: the seasons out west or you know, they're long. We
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: have a we have a very extensive, very extensive seasons
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: where you can chase these deer and and experience them
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: at different points, um where where they are susceptible. I mean,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: it's it's it makes it really neat. Yeah. Well at
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: that point there of you know that that being white
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: tailed ground with you know, the potential for some random
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: you know, some small population mule deer, small population elk whatever.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Nobody's going to those places to hunt elk. Like maybe
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: a local might get keyed in if they spot something,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: but no dudes loading up in Texas and driving up
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: there and going, this is my elk spot there, They're
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: just not gonna happen. And you see this too. I've
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: seen this sometimes when I'm hunting western white tails. Is
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: even on national forest national grasslands where there are viable
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: populations of other species and people are drawn once in
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: a lifetime elk tag or their meal deer hunting or something.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: They're they're not usually going and messing with those little
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: concentrations of white tails along the bottoms and the rivers.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: And so even if it feels like there's a lot
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: of people around you, if they're not targeting white tails.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Where white tails live, you can have one hell of
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: a hunt, even if they're the surrounding areas getting hit
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: pretty hard. With other pressure, you can, you absolutely can.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: And And one other thing not to not not to
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: get too concerned about because I've done a lot of
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: walk in hunting in Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado. Um, you know
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys will say, well, I don't want
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: hunt white tails there because I know those areas are
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: being opened up for bird hunters too. You know, there's
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: there's dub seasons going on, there's quail, there's pheasants, there's
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: guys accessing river bottoms and creeks for ducks and geese,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: ag for geese. That sort of thing. You know, that
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: sort of thing is not something that you in my opinion,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: that you that you really need to that you really
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: need to worry about. Yeah, you can pay attention to
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: where guys are at and stuff like that, but it
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: plays such a small role um in the over in
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: my experience, Um, yeah, I've had a pheasant hunter walk through, um,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: you know, but then twenty five minutes later, I've had
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: four dos and a buck walk through. I mean, you
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: just you just don't know. Because a lot of these
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Western deer are traveler there. They're they're big time travelers. Um.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of areas where, you know, they
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: don't have a fifty acre block of timber that is
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: instant that they can just stay in and run circles
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: and live there. They they have very lots of areas
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: that are very open. They change betting areas constantly. They
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: move a lot, they get bumped, and they'll follow a
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: pinch point for miles along a creek and then be
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: somewhere completely different and be there for a while. So
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: you know, don't get too caught up in thinking that
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: you know, oh gosh, you know, a bird hunter walk
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: through and I'm done for the day. Just put stay
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: put in and and you know, know that there's deer
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: out there, and they're they're moving, especially you know during
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: those rut times, and and and you'll you'll have success. Yeah. Well,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: and if as somebody who hunts pheasants a lot with dogs,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: I can tell you that deer are very tolerant of
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: you if they think they're hidden, they you know. And
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: and honestly, you know, observing general hunting populations as far
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: as as bow hunters for white tails or pheasant hunters,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: most people I see on public land are not working
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: that hard. There's the there's sort of this message out
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: there in the hunting media that if you're hunting public land,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: you're busting your ass, and it is just not true.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: There are people out there who are, for sure, But
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of times when you if you looked at
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: a you know, if you pull up on X and
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: you look at a spot and you're like, okay, well
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: there might be pheasant hunters in there. You can pretty
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: much call your shots on where they're going to be,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: like you know where they're gonna hunt, and so okay, yeah,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe don't throw on the gilly suit and sit
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: right in the middle of the c RP because that's
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: probably where they're going to end up. But you can
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: kind of predict that stuff. And no, and it is
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, this stuff's multi use, like you're
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: gonna deal with other people coming in for other things,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: but those deer are pretty used to that and they
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: know how to avoid them. So okay, what are you
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: gonna do? How are you going to get to where
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: the deer going to be when those pheasant hunters run
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: through there? Yep? Absolutely, And I you know, I've seen
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: it a bunch too, where I watched a buck two
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: years ago, Um got bumped out of a little tamarack thicket.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: UM buy some some peasant hunters. They were pushing the
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: creek bottom. I was in a tree stand about half
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: a mile away. I was glassing them because I wanted
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: to see what they were doing, how they were gonna
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: use the terrain that sort of thing. How close that
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: I thought they might get to me? And I watched
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: him kick up this hundred thirty in white tail, and
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: that buck literally ran along the edge of the creek
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: for maybe fifty yards, went down in the creek across
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: the creek, came up almost parallel to him on the
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: other side. They never saw him, and he walked back
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: towards their direction and rebetted, and not in the same spot,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: but on the other side of the creek. In in
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: the whole grand scheme of things, that buck didn't move
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: two fifty yards from where he got bumped. And so
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: thinking about that, if you weren't there and you were
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: hunting deer where those guys happened to go through, and
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: you you know, you weren't there in the morning, if
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: that was a morning sit and you were planning an
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: evening hunter or something like that, nothing nothing bad really happened.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: You're gonna go in there. That buck is still gonna
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: be within that two hundred or three hundred yard radius
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: where you are sitting, and when he gets up and
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: moves for the evening or goes to food whatever, you know,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: you can't over you can't overthink those types of things.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: And and like you said, that buck, who knows how
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: many times he got bumped out of that tamarack patch
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: by a bird hunter or a farmer coming in to
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: check cattle or whatever. I mean, I think I don't
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: know if this is true or not, but I kind
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: of think that's one of the benefits of hunting public
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: land white tails is because I've seen that happen many
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: times to where it's like they if they reacted the
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: way we kind of give them credit for, like, oh,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: that buck's gonna be out of here, and he's not
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: coming back for a long time, Like, they don't do that.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: Like they get bumped a lot. Like if you if
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: you look at some of these properties around my house
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: here in the Twin Cities between just the people up
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: you know, with their dogs, hunting, woodcock hunters whatever. Yeah,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: thin get bumped all the time. They always come back. Yeah,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: there's a lot you can do with that and realize
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: that those spooked here, they're not that bad. They're gonna
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: come back around, like you said, And when you observe
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: them in those situations, you see how they really function
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: versus what we think. So it's so fascinating to to
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: get like to get those lessons that teach you, Like
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I always thought they did this, and then I got
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: to actually watch a buck get bumped in this situation
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: and see his entire reaction to that, and see how
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: how much less drastic it was. That stuff so cool.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: It's very cool. It's very cool to observe. And and
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of times our perceptions are so far off,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: you know, to what we think, you know, to what
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: we think happened and would actually happened. So you know,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: it's just sometimes, like we've talked about this before, you
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: can be your own worsten to me out there. I
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: talked to Mark about that all the time. I'm like,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: what we think we know, that's the enemy. I don't
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: think he believes me, but I'm gonna convince him yet. Yeah,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: And it's true. I mean, it is the enemy because
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: it changes our whole mindset and it can change our
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: entire game plan about how we're going to go about things.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen I've had lots of buddies be like,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to go out this evening. Uh.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: You know, the rancher called me and a guy drove
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: through there, and you know, they were wrangling up the
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: horses on there, and I'm just I'm not even gonna
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: go out now, it's not even worth it those deer
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: two miles away. Uh. You know, you can, you can
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: convince yourself of a lot of things, but if you're
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: not out there, I mean, and when you do go
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: out there, like you said, and you witness some of
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: these things, and you see how those deer react to pressure,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: and you're like, whoa, that's so much different than what
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: I thought that they would do. Or you know, it
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: opens your eyes to a lot of things, and it
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: it helps you, um not overthinking a lot of times. Yeah,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: I mean I had back to back years I had situations.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: One one was on public here in the Cities where
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: I had a woodcock hunter. I was watching a doll
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: way out in the field. I had a woodcock hunter
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: push it right to me and I killed her. And
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: then the next year I had a doe and two
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: funds come down go out and do a field. This
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: was on private and then I heard that chug of
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: a four wheeler goddamn it came in push that doll
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: right in front of me and I shot her. And
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: you know last year that buck I killed in in
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Iowa down there on public land, I bumped that buck
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: out of his bed, he ran away, and I killed
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: him an hour and a half later when he came back.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: You know, like exactly. It's it's real important to to
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: see that stuff happen and experience it because it changes
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: your entire outlook forever, because you go, this is not yeah,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: you know, you jump them, they might not come back
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: right like, you might not ever see him again, but
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: it's not a foregone conclusion that it's going to go
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: that way. And a lot of times we give these
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: deers so much credit, especially Bucks, and be like, oh,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: they're like supernatural and they have a sixth sense and
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: there's no way he's coming. I'm like, he lives there,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: he said, this is a rabbit with antlers that lives there.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: That's his home. He's coming back, And yeah, he might
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: get a little bit a little bit trickier around that
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: area to figure out, but it's not he's not hopping
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  Speaker 1: over to the next section. If they did that every
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  Speaker 1: time you jumped him, they would all die as year
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  Speaker 1: and a half old because they'd be an unfamiliar territory
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  Speaker 1: constantly yep, yep, And they don't want to put themselves
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  Speaker 1: in that position. And you know it, it was neat
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  Speaker 1: for me last year. A guy in Nebraska that I know,
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  Speaker 1: not not that my buddy Tearing that I always hunt with,
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  Speaker 1: but one of his buddies. He has a he has
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  Speaker 1: a just a great farm out there, and he shot
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  Speaker 1: this year twice during archery season. He shot him once
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  Speaker 1: in October, and shot him again in November, and killed
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  Speaker 1: him with a rifle in December. And that was on
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  Speaker 1: like fifty acres. That buck never left there, and he
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  Speaker 1: had been shot twice with an arrow, survived and got
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  Speaker 1: killed opening morning a rifle. So to say, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I never I'm never going to see
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  Speaker 1: that buck again. He's going totally nocturnal. He'll never he'll
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  Speaker 1: never be a day walker again. Yeah. Man, No, I
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: don't buy it. I just have seen too much. I've
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  Speaker 1: heard too much. I mean you just yeah, yeah that.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking about that when I was I was
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  Speaker 1: doing an interview the other day. Um, when you start
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  Speaker 1: hunting public land, or you start hunting a lot of pressure, dear,
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  Speaker 1: it's amazing how often when you butcher them you find
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: a you know, a muzzleta hole in, or an old
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  Speaker 1: broad head, or they've got some kind of serious wound
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  Speaker 1: to them. Yep, yep, they do that. They'll they'll have some,
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  Speaker 1: but like you said, a lot of them they have
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  Speaker 1: a home and that home is what they're most familiar with,
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  Speaker 1: and that's that home is where they feel the most comfortable.
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  Speaker 1: They know how to they know every nook and cranny
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  Speaker 1: of that area, as opposed to, like you said, wandering
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  Speaker 1: into a new area for the first time. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: how out of place do you feel when you go
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: you know, when you go on the first time. Remember
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  Speaker 1: the first time I left here and went to Canada
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: and just crossing the border to go hunt, I felt
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't feel comfortable. I felt odd, I felt out
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: of place. The territory. I couldn't see five ft in
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  Speaker 1: front of my face because the trees, and if it
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: was an opening, it was freaking water. And I didn't
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  Speaker 1: feel comfortable. Um, it's it's they're they're no different in
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  Speaker 1: those terms. I mean, you know, they moved to a
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  Speaker 1: new area and sometimes they get forced into that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but when they do, they're not comfortable. Yeah, you want
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: to talk about being uncomfortable. Grew up in the Midwest
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: and then head to the Hunt of Colorado in August,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: you'd be like, well, there's a rattlesnake, there's some fire ants,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: here's a trantula hawk chasing me. Don't forget about the
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: scorpions and the occasional black widow and the blonde. My
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: buddy just got stung by a scorpion. Yeah, so much fun, man,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. Lots of good information. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to see the sheep that you kill. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: super stoke for you for that, man, I'm excited. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for having me. Um always been a fan of this
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: podcast and it was it was an honor to get
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: to be on it. And yeah, I hope guys and
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: gals can find some useful information there. And uh, I'm
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: looking forward to the sheep Hunt hopefully. You know you'll
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: be updated regularly as you know. Definitely. Well, good luck buddy,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: all right, but thanks. Well that's it for this week,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: my friends. I have been your guest host Tony Peterson,
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  Speaker 1: and this has been the weird Hunt podcast as always,
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