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The Kenny Report | 17 December · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to The Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: I'm Daniki di Giorgio filling in for Chris this week.
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Speaker 3: In breaking news, alleged Bondai gunman Navid Akram has just
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Speaker 3: been charged with fifty nine offenses in the wake of
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Speaker 3: Sunday's terror attack, including fifteen counts of murder and one
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Speaker 3: count of committing a terrorist act. The twenty four year
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Speaker 3: old is expected to appear before a Sydney court this
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Speaker 3: afternoon from his hospital bed, and will have more on
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Speaker 3: that breaking news throughout the show. Also coming up, Anthony
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Speaker 3: Arberzi urged to recall Parliament to implement recommendations by the
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Speaker 3: Anti Semitism Envoy as the Prime Minister faces mounting criticism
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Speaker 3: for his lack of action.
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Speaker 4: It's time for him to accept personal responsibility for the
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Speaker 4: death of fifteen innocent people, including a ten.
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Speaker 5: Year old child.
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Speaker 3: Here, Julian Lisa and Garth Hamilton will join me shortly
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Speaker 3: plus mounting calls to shut down Sydney's notorious Al Medina
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Speaker 3: Dhawar center allegedly linked to the radicalization of Navid Akram,
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Speaker 3: will go live to Israel and catch up with Deputy
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Speaker 3: Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell as well for the Jewish States
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Speaker 3: reaction that and more coming up shortly. The funeral services
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Speaker 3: for three of the fifteen victims of the Bondai massacre
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Speaker 3: were held today. Rabbi Eli Schlanger, Rabbi Jakov Levitan and
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Speaker 3: Ruvin Morrison were laid to rest. Rabbi Schlanger was remembered
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Speaker 3: as a devoted husband and father of five.
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Speaker 6: Ellie was ripped away from us in the midst of
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Speaker 6: doing what he did best, spreading yiddishkaid, spreading love and
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Speaker 6: joy and caring for his people with endless self sacrifice.
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Speaker 6: In his life and in his death, he towered above
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Speaker 6: as one of the highest and holiest souls.
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Speaker 3: New South Wales Premier Min's, former Prime Minister Scott Morrison
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Speaker 3: and Opposition leader Susan Lee were among the mourners. Thirteen
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Speaker 3: of the victims have now been identified ten year old
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Speaker 3: Matilda Rabbi Eli Schlanger, Rabbi Yakov Levetan, Edith Brutman, Marika Pogany,
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Speaker 3: Dan Elkman, Peter Maher, Alexander Klayman, t Boll Whitson, Ruven Morrison,
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Speaker 3: Boris and Sophia German and Boris Tedleeroyd Laperou's public school
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Speaker 3: where little Matilda went has paid tribute to a girl
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Speaker 3: they called a ray of sunshine. She is genuinely the
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Speaker 3: most kind, caring and compassionate young girl who brightened everyone's
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Speaker 3: day with her radiant smile and infectious laugh.
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Speaker 2: We watched Matilda.
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Speaker 3: Reach every single goal she set out to achieve, and
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Speaker 3: we are so proud of her. Matilda has a strength
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Speaker 3: and joy for life that we will always cherish and
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Speaker 3: remember her. Mum and Dad also went down too the
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Speaker 3: memorial last night and addressed the mourners.
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Speaker 7: And then Materilia because soon was Australia. The vicame here
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Speaker 7: from from Ukraine and Matilda was I felt first the
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Speaker 7: one in Australia, and I thought that Matilda's it was
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Speaker 7: Australian name, the kind. So just remember, remember the name.
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Speaker 3: Remember how it's truly unfathomable what those parents are going through.
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Speaker 3: And among all the sadness comes more stories of unbelievable
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Speaker 3: heroism and bravery. Boris and Sophia German almost stopped this,
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Speaker 3: and they put themselves on the line to do so.
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Speaker 3: You can see in this dash cam vision mister German
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Speaker 3: tackled fifty year old gunman Sajed Akram to the ground
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Speaker 3: and wrestled a long arm rifle from him, but the
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Speaker 3: alleged gunment was so heavily armed that the guns were
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Speaker 3: turned on the couple, and they had just been about
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Speaker 3: to celebrate their thirty fifth wedding anniversary and paid for
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Speaker 3: it with their lives. They put themselves in harm's way
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Speaker 3: and tried to stop this, but they couldn't do it.
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Speaker 3: Then there's Reuven Morrison, who bravely threw a brick at
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Speaker 3: one of the alleged terrorists before he too was killed,
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Speaker 3: but those deaths will never be in vain. Then there's
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Speaker 3: the hero cop who shot the alleged gunman from forty
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Speaker 3: meters away. He's been named as Detective Senior Constable Caesar
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Speaker 3: Cess Baratza.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 3: Senior police have told The Daily Telegraph even the best
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Speaker 3: shooters in the force would have struggled to hit the
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Speaker 3: target considering both the distance of the police officer from
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Speaker 3: the Akrams and also the pressure of being fired upon himself.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely incredible.
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Speaker 3: And of course AHMEDA Ahmed, who ran up behind one
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Speaker 3: of the alleged terrorists and tackled and disarmed him, and
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Speaker 3: he is still recovering in hospital from his injuries. In
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Speaker 3: the very worst of times, the Australian spirit.
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Speaker 2: Is what keeps us together.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 3: The grieving has turned to anger, anger because this was
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Speaker 3: all too predictable. It's been three days since the Bondai
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Speaker 3: massacre and the Prime Minister has failed in his duty,
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Speaker 3: failed to rise to the occasion in this moment of hurt, despair,
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Speaker 3: shock and sadness to reassure us that he is doing
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Speaker 3: everything in his power to ensure this never happens again.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister has made only one fleeting visit to
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Speaker 3: the Bondai memorial and that was early on Monday morning
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Speaker 3: and has not gone back since, not once. He didn't
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Speaker 3: attend the funeral today for Rabbi Eli Schlanger. We essentially
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Speaker 3: have an invisible Prime Minister in a moment of heart
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Speaker 3: take and what does his vanishing act say Well to me, it's.
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Speaker 2: All about the optics for him.
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Speaker 3: About what it would look like for him if he
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Speaker 3: got heckled at the memorial, just like the Home Affairs
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Speaker 3: Minister Tony Burke did when he came under the cover
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Speaker 3: of darkness on Monday night. The Prime Minister won't even
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Speaker 3: show his face, won't even show an ounce of courage
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Speaker 3: to go out again to Bondi, to read all of
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Speaker 3: those messages of heartache, to speak to the community, to
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Speaker 3: see the tributes that line the footpaths. He won't show
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Speaker 3: his face. And that is not a prime minister. A
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Speaker 3: good leader doesn't shy away from criticism. They aren't scared
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Speaker 3: of being heckled or booed. They face it head on
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Speaker 3: and critically listen, make change and unite the country.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberezi missed the moment.
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Speaker 3: More scared about being booed or compare that to being
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Speaker 3: scared while running away while being shot at.
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Speaker 2: Former treasurer and prominent member.
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Speaker 3: Of the Jewish community Josh Friedenberg paid his respects at
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Speaker 3: the Bondai memorial today and this was a very emotional
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Speaker 3: moment for him because he's been at the heart of
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Speaker 3: the anti Semitism battle and Josh Friedenburg summed up the
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Speaker 3: mood of the nation in a way the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: has failed to.
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Speaker 5: This massacre at Bondai.
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Speaker 4: Is the greatest stain on this nation, has brought the
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Speaker 4: greatest shame.
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Speaker 5: To our nation. I'm here to mourn but I'm also
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Speaker 5: here to warn.
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Speaker 4: Unless our governments, federal and state, take urgent.
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Speaker 5: He sedented and strong action.
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Speaker 4: As night follows day, we will be back grieving the
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Speaker 4: loss of innocent life in another terrorist attack in our country.
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Speaker 3: And he's right, we know those warnings have been there.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Abernese's very own Special Envoy, Gillian Siegel's report has
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Speaker 3: sat on his desk catching dust for six months. State
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Speaker 3: leaders were forced to push the PM on if he
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Speaker 3: had any new ideas on how to tackle anti Semitism
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Speaker 3: after they had to stop him from talking about gun
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Speaker 3: reform and focusing on more detail on anti Jewish hate.
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Speaker 3: During an emergency meeting of National Cabinet this week, it
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Speaker 3: was reported he didn't even raise Gillian Siegel's report at
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Speaker 3: that meeting. Now the PM claims that's not the case,
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Speaker 3: but he won't even say if he directly raise.
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Speaker 2: The report before he was prompted.
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Speaker 3: So my question now is why hasn't the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: recalled Parliament this week as an emergency to pass legislative
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Speaker 3: recommendations in the wake of the attack. If what happened
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Speaker 3: at Bondai means anything, if the deaths of fifteen people
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Speaker 3: is not enough for the Prime Minister to get a
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Speaker 3: move on, then nothing is ever going to change and
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Speaker 3: I just spare for this country. But it seems it's
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Speaker 3: all in the too hard basket for Anthony Arberanzi. Here
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Speaker 3: was his response today when asked about what he can
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Speaker 3: do to fight radical Islamic preachers.
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Speaker 9: It is difficult, and this is something the world is
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Speaker 9: dealing with. It is indeed, as you identify, hard to
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Speaker 9: legislate against such massive hatred and people who have this
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Speaker 9: perversion of Islam that leads them to support Islamic state
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Speaker 9: and to have a view that somehow there is some
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Speaker 9: reward for them.
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Speaker 8: There is not.
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Speaker 10: They are evil.
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Speaker 9: We need to make sure that we do whatever is
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Speaker 9: within our powers. Now that means education, it means as well,
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Speaker 9: stamping out, calling out evil when we see it, and
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Speaker 9: we'll continue to do so, not just as a government,
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Speaker 9: but as a nation as well.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to legislate, that was his answer.
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Speaker 3: The nation is grieving right now, and the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: says it's too hard and he can't even say it
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Speaker 3: out loud. That this attack was motivated by religion, it
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Speaker 3: was Islamic extremism, and the answers on what to do
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Speaker 3: were right in front of you this, Prime Minister, because
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Speaker 3: this is the message of hate that's been preached just
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Speaker 3: thirty kilometers away from the site of the Bondai massacre.
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Speaker 11: Can't take away from the fact, first and foremost that
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Speaker 11: jihad is definitely part of elgin and as Muslims, we
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Speaker 11: should never ever show away from this. And yes, then
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Speaker 11: they may be types of jihad. What of the peak
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Speaker 11: of this jihad is that which the message of Muhammad
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Speaker 11: Solalidi was set and spoken about. And I'll read the
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Speaker 11: hadithsum and that is fighting in the path of Allas origin,
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Speaker 11: a physical fight.
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Speaker 3: So what can you do, Prime Minister? Go to the
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Speaker 3: mosques and shut those preachers down. Shut down Islam centers
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Speaker 3: like the Almadina Dhahwa Center in Bankstown that's been linked
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Speaker 3: to alleged Bondai gunman Navid Akram. If they're preaching hate,
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Speaker 3: arrest them, if they're dual citizens or on visas, deport them.
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Speaker 2: Call on Muslim.
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Speaker 3: Leaders to step up and call out radical Islam. Overhaul
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Speaker 3: the migration system, Implement better checks and balances for people
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Speaker 3: coming into this country. Use whatever means possible to screen
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Speaker 3: people already here. If their values don't align, send them
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Speaker 3: back to where they came from, and better funding for
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Speaker 3: security agencies, ban extremism or organizations. Come on, Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Here was Opposition Leader Susan Lee on that.
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Speaker 12: Today and the roadmap to that immediate action is sitting
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Speaker 12: on the Prime Minister's desk. And there are more things
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Speaker 12: that he could be doing and should be doing in
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Speaker 12: the wake of this horrific massacre. But has he told
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Speaker 12: the Australian people, has he reassured the Jewish community? Is
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Speaker 12: he here at Bondi, Has he walked the streets as
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Speaker 12: we have? Has he listened?
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Speaker 3: There was also an astonishing concession of sorts from Foreign
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Speaker 3: Minister Penny Wong that the Albanese government must do more
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Speaker 3: to combat rising anti Semitism.
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Speaker 13: We are determined to eradicate anti Semitism in our country
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Speaker 13: and we are determined to work to bring Australians together.
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Speaker 13: I keep saying this, but it is true. We are
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Speaker 13: stronger when we are more united, and there is much
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Speaker 13: in our community that we can look to. You know
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Speaker 13: that gives us hope and inspiration.
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Speaker 3: Look, this is an insult now, she says more needs
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Speaker 3: to be done. Now that fifteen innocent people have been
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Speaker 3: murdered in cold blood. For two years, this government has
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Speaker 3: sat on its hands as anti Semitism reached havoc and
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Speaker 3: our social fabric buckled. Where was the condemnation when the
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Speaker 3: Israeli flag was set alight on the steps of the
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Speaker 3: Sydney Opera House?
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Speaker 2: Or when where are the Jews?
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Speaker 3: Or whatever was chanted when the Sydney Harbor Bridge was
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Speaker 3: hijacked by protesters who chanted death to the IDF and
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Speaker 3: waived flags of terror groups like mus or when the
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Speaker 3: radical hate preachers bragged about October seven? Where was the
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Speaker 3: condemnation and where was the action? You were nowhere, Penny Wong,
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Speaker 3: and neither was Anthony Albernezi two, preoccupied with recognizing a
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Speaker 3: Palestinian state and putting votes before values.
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Speaker 2: So spare us.
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Speaker 3: We are stronger when we are more united, and more
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Speaker 3: needs to be done.
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Speaker 2: Lecture, it's an insult.
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Speaker 3: And Josh Fridenberg put it so well today as he
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Speaker 3: called for a commission.
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Speaker 4: It's time for him to accept personal responsibility for the
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Speaker 4: death of fifteen innocent people, including.
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Speaker 5: A ten year old child. It's time our Prime minister.
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Speaker 4: Accepted accountability for what has happened here, and it's time
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Speaker 4: our leaders stood up.
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Speaker 5: And led at last.
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Speaker 4: Australia has been radicalized in an unprecedented way in the
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Speaker 4: last two and a half years on your watch, and
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Speaker 4: you are now responsible for fixing it, and you must
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Speaker 4: fix it otherwise there will be another attack and we
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Speaker 4: wouldn't have learnt the lessons that are here for everyone
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Speaker 4: to see.
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Speaker 3: The time for excuses is over. It was over two
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Speaker 3: years ago, but now is the time for change and
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Speaker 3: the time for action is now. Wake up, Anthony Albanizi.
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Speaker 3: Let's return out to that breaking news. We have more
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Speaker 3: details that the alleged Bondi gunman has this afternoon been
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Speaker 3: charged with fifty nine offenses. Members of the New South
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Speaker 3: Wales Joint counter Terrorism Team attended the hospital where the
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Speaker 3: twenty four year old man is being detained. The fifty
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Speaker 3: nine charges include fifteen counts of murder, one count of
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Speaker 3: committing a terrorist act, one count of discharging a firearm
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Speaker 3: in public, one count of causing a public display of
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Speaker 3: a prohibited terrorst simpol, one count of placing an explosive
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Speaker 3: in or near a building with intent to cause harm,
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Speaker 3: forty counts of wounding with intent to murder, and police
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Speaker 3: will allege the man engaged in conduct which caused death,
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Speaker 3: serious injury and endangered life to advance a religious cause
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Speaker 3: and cause fear in the community. And will have more
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Speaker 3: on this to come. Let's bring in LMPP Garth Hamilton. Now, Garth,
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Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining me. Firstly, I just
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Speaker 3: want to get your reaction now that charges have been laid.
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Speaker 14: Look like a lot of people, it's hard not to
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Speaker 14: be angry.
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Speaker 15: Still.
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Speaker 14: You go away and you think about it, and then
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Speaker 14: each one of those counts, the fifteen people who died,
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Speaker 14: You hear their names for it out, and it just
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Speaker 14: starts all over again to hear that name Matilda called out,
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Speaker 14: and just recall the beautiful pitches of that young girl. Goodness,
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Speaker 14: may this has gone to hurt for a long time yet,
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Speaker 14: isn't it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look it is.
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Speaker 3: And it was heartbreaking to hear from her mum and
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Speaker 3: dad speaking so bravely out at the Bondai memorial. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I just don't even know how anyone recovers from.
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Speaker 2: Something like this.
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Speaker 3: I just want to talk about the alleged radicalization of
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Speaker 3: Navid Akram. He was flagged by Asia as a teenager,
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Speaker 3: but not deemed a threat, and of course that will
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Speaker 3: now perform part of his investigation, but his alleged links
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Speaker 3: to the notorious Al Madina Dhawa Center had been revealed.
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Speaker 3: He's been accused of distributing amphlets tied to a movement
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Speaker 3: linked to radical preacher with some hadad.
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Speaker 2: Here he was spreading the so called message have a look.
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Speaker 15: Salam working bositis. We're here beings station, spreading Doah, doing
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Speaker 15: the work of the props, continuing the of the work.
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Speaker 16: Of the prophets.
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Speaker 15: Read the spread the message that allows one and Muhammed
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Speaker 15: last message over Tom Glos. Spread dollar wherever you can
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Speaker 15: spread the message, not loads one. Wherever you can spread
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Speaker 15: the message by pamphlets, whether it be one eye are
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Speaker 15: and whether it's in meaning healing or clear sky.
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Speaker 16: I will reward you or whatever action to do in
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Speaker 16: his cause.
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Speaker 15: Concholo, this will see you on the leg of judgment
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Speaker 15: when everyone will be asking where's the hope with this?
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Speaker 15: This will come for you and the dogman, So come
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Speaker 15: join us. I think someone or in your own area,
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Speaker 15: it's spread flam Salam.
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Speaker 3: Warning Garth, Look, how concerned are you about the radicalization
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Speaker 3: going on?
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Speaker 2: And should this center be shut down?
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Speaker 14: I think that's a very clear question. We need some
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Speaker 14: answers on very quickly of the view that it should
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Speaker 14: be and I think we should be looking very closely
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Speaker 14: at these hate preachers who seem to be the cause
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Speaker 14: of so much of the radicalization in our society. Is
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Speaker 14: there's a lot of questions here about how does this
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Speaker 14: slip through the cracks? And when you start to see
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Speaker 14: all the red flags that are being raised. And I
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Speaker 14: appreciate there's a lot of stuff that's going to come
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Speaker 14: through in the news over the coming weeks and months,
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Speaker 14: but these look like some pretty big cracks that someone
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Speaker 14: slipped through.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: And you know, we speak a lot about immigration, the
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Speaker 3: types of people we're bringing into this country, the types
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Speaker 3: of people we do have in this country.
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Speaker 2: What has to happen now in your view.
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Speaker 14: Well, look, I'm glad that we're having that conversation. It's
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Speaker 14: terrible that it's taken this event to have it. Sadly,
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Speaker 14: a lot of people have said this, this was foreseen.
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Speaker 14: Our intelligence agencies were telling us that there were problems
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Speaker 14: that we're building up, and there's been clear to our
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Speaker 14: immigration system. And I've got to say this because we
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Speaker 14: need to talk honestly in this time. I've going to
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Speaker 14: respect the people whose lives have been lost. This conversation
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Speaker 14: was started a while ago. I remember when Andrew Hasty
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Speaker 14: talked about this issue, and for doing so he was
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Speaker 14: rewarded by being squeezed off of our front bench. I
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Speaker 14: think I need to see this conversation front and center.
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Speaker 14: I think we need to be able to listen to
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Speaker 14: people when they raise these issues, because he was right
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Speaker 14: to raise them and we're right to.
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Speaker 5: Raise them now.
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Speaker 14: It's important that we understand how we shape our country
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Speaker 14: determines what happens in it, and if we're careless and
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Speaker 14: if we don't think about it, then these bad things
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Speaker 14: will continue to happen.
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Speaker 3: Look good on Andrew Hasty for raising it in the
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Speaker 3: first instance. It's something that both sides of politics largely
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Speaker 3: do shy away from. And the issue Garth is it's
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Speaker 3: not about being anti mass migration, but it's about better
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Speaker 3: checks and balances and also bringing in people whose values
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Speaker 3: actually align with a Western democracy. But we're talking here
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Speaker 3: about radical Islam that is completely incompatible is our way
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Speaker 3: of life?
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Speaker 2: Is it not?
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Speaker 8: Well?
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Speaker 14: I think we've seen clear evidence that that is exactly
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Speaker 14: the case. That what we have is an element within Australia.
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Speaker 14: Now within Australian society that does not share our values,
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Speaker 14: does not want us to succeed as a nation. We
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Speaker 14: have treasured diversity for such a long time and it's
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Speaker 14: a wonderful part of our history and where we come from.
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Speaker 14: But without unity of purpose, where we are going to
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Speaker 14: find ourselves caught in this same trap. And sadly, our
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Speaker 14: immigration system is the first and most important place that
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Speaker 14: we can be looking to that and we need to
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Speaker 14: have steps in place during the visa process where if
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Speaker 14: people fail to demonstrate their alignment with Australian values, that
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Speaker 14: there are penalties in place and that they can lose
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Speaker 14: their visa. These are simple obvious conversations. Sadly, now at
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Speaker 14: this terrible stage, when we look back with hindsight and
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Speaker 14: see what could have been done.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's actually tragic that it's taken the senseless murders,
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Speaker 3: the senseless deaths of fifteen people for this conversation to
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Speaker 3: even be brought to light. And I know you've been
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Speaker 3: warning about this for some time, Garth Hamilton. We've got
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Speaker 3: to leave it there. Thank you very much for joining
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Speaker 3: me on the show. Really appreciate it. Well, let's get
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Speaker 3: an update now from the scene at Bondi joining me
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Speaker 3: as weekend newsday host Janie Seal. Janie, you've been there
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Speaker 3: all day. We can see the flowers behind you again.
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Speaker 3: They're growing and growing day by day as mourners come
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Speaker 3: to pay their respects.
21:25
Speaker 2: Tell us the latest from the scene.
21:29
Speaker 17: Yeah, absolutely, Denika. We saw Josh Friedenberg today. There were
21:35
Speaker 17: so many people greeting him with hugs and so many tears.
21:39
Speaker 17: He congratulated the Red Cross and the Salvation Army that
21:43
Speaker 17: have been doing an amazing job here among so many
21:46
Speaker 17: other people with the support for mental health.
21:49
Speaker 10: And just feeding people.
21:50
Speaker 17: And there's so much love from such a disastrous day
21:53
Speaker 17: on Sunday, and of course so many people mourning. And
21:57
Speaker 17: we've got to Alex Rifchin here, who has just been
22:01
Speaker 17: to a funeral today. I'm really sorry to hear of
22:03
Speaker 17: all of your losses. How was the funeral for Rabbi Shaya.
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Speaker 8: It was one of the most difficult things I've experienced.
22:11
Speaker 8: You know, someone who I love deeply and had a
22:15
Speaker 8: profound impact on my life and the life of this community.
22:19
Speaker 8: But that's secondary to the loss, you know, of his
22:23
Speaker 8: wife and of his kids, and seeing his wife who
22:26
Speaker 8: herself was wounded in the back and was just released
22:28
Speaker 8: from hospital for the funeral. Seeing his children, the youngest
22:32
Speaker 8: one being eight weeks old, and seeing his eldest son
22:37
Speaker 8: having to recite the mourner's prayer over his grave, it
22:40
Speaker 8: was so heartbreaking, beyond words, and it just showed what
22:44
Speaker 8: those people did to us, what they took from us,
22:47
Speaker 8: and for what what did they gain from this? I
22:49
Speaker 8: mean they've given up. The father gave up his life,
22:51
Speaker 8: the son will give up his liberty for what gain
22:54
Speaker 8: our misery, our pain. It just shows the psychosis of
22:58
Speaker 8: this mania that week, anti Semitism and radical Islam that
23:02
Speaker 8: has caused this. But it's really shattered the community. It's
23:05
Speaker 8: going to take a long time to rebuild, if at all.
23:08
Speaker 17: Yeah, absolutely, it really is. And we had a former
23:11
Speaker 17: Prime Minister, John Howard on Sky News yesterday and we
23:15
Speaker 17: were asking about hate and how we can get rid
23:18
Speaker 17: of hate and he's basically said, you know, the opposite
23:21
Speaker 17: of hate is love, and that's what we're seeing here
23:24
Speaker 17: so much, isn't it.
23:25
Speaker 8: Yeah, No, it's been beautiful and I'm still somewhat surprised
23:30
Speaker 8: how many non Jewish people here. I know, I shouldn't
23:32
Speaker 8: be surprised because Australians are fundamentally good and decent and
23:36
Speaker 8: fair minded and compassionate. But I still view this as
23:39
Speaker 8: primarily a Jewish traument I expected to be kind of internal.
23:43
Speaker 8: But it shows how deeply affected the country is. And
23:47
Speaker 8: I've met indigenous leaders from up and down the coast
23:49
Speaker 8: who have come here to show that their mob is
23:51
Speaker 8: with us, faith leaders, ordinary Aussies from all over the
23:56
Speaker 8: country who just want to show this old Adian support,
23:58
Speaker 8: and so many more have written, in, phoned and set
24:01
Speaker 8: message on social media and all around the world. And
24:04
Speaker 8: I know people are touched by this, and people are
24:06
Speaker 8: angered by it and stand with us. And yet what
24:10
Speaker 8: we've lost we can't get back, you know, and anything
24:13
Speaker 8: good that comes from this. And Rabbi Shaying in particular
24:16
Speaker 8: always saw the good in things and saw the need
24:18
Speaker 8: to find good in dark moments, so he would have
24:21
Speaker 8: liked this. But I think it's a too great a cost.
24:24
Speaker 8: It's too great a price that we've paid for.
24:26
Speaker 17: And so many people in the Jewish community have been
24:28
Speaker 17: saying that they've been they weren't surprised, unfortunately, that something
24:33
Speaker 17: like this happened.
24:35
Speaker 10: And the next question I guess is where to from here.
24:38
Speaker 17: We had Josh Fredenberg, you know, he was quite angry
24:41
Speaker 17: and just saying that we need.
24:42
Speaker 10: To look at so many things.
24:44
Speaker 17: He included education, he included Royal Commission potentially. But what
24:48
Speaker 17: are your thoughts on more education in the community about
24:52
Speaker 17: history and about learning about the Jewish community.
24:55
Speaker 8: I mean, that's obviously essentral and I've spoken about that
24:58
Speaker 8: for a long time. I've ridden books for that very purpose.
25:02
Speaker 8: And Josh is a big supporter of antisemitism education. Also,
25:05
Speaker 8: Jillian Siegel, the especial envoy, talks about it too. But
25:09
Speaker 8: to be honest, to talk about that in this moment,
25:11
Speaker 8: I don't disagree with it at all, but I think
25:13
Speaker 8: it's almost hollow. It would have been good at the
25:17
Speaker 8: beginning of this antisemitism crisis when the community, people like
25:20
Speaker 8: Josh and Jillian Siegel and I were saying we need
25:22
Speaker 8: better engagement, better education to dispel the myths and the
25:25
Speaker 8: dehumanization of the Jewish people to prevent this massacre from happening.
25:29
Speaker 8: That's why we needed it. And to talk about it now,
25:32
Speaker 8: like with everything with this government, seems to be too
25:35
Speaker 8: slow and not quite good enough. Right now, we're in
25:38
Speaker 8: a different place right now, when a national security crisis,
25:40
Speaker 8: a terrorism crisis, we need to promptly determine how the
25:44
Speaker 8: failing has occurred of policing and intelligence and government. We
25:47
Speaker 8: need to determine how many more people are out there
25:49
Speaker 8: that share this ideology and might have the means to
25:51
Speaker 8: carry out a similar attack. This threat clears and over.
25:54
Speaker 8: If we think that there were two individuals who feel
25:56
Speaker 8: this way and are capable of acting this way, we're
25:59
Speaker 8: kidding ourselves.
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Speaker 10: Alex, thank you so much for joining us.
26:02
Speaker 17: I know there's so many people that are wanting to
26:03
Speaker 17: talk to you and really sorry to hear so many
26:05
Speaker 17: of your losses.
26:06
Speaker 10: Take you care so much.
26:07
Speaker 8: Thank you.
26:08
Speaker 10: Denika.
26:08
Speaker 17: Yes, I just you know, again it's just so hard
26:11
Speaker 17: to describe, but I mean I saw you here the
26:13
Speaker 17: other day. I know you've been working so much on
26:16
Speaker 17: this and it's just you.
26:16
Speaker 10: Know, this surrealness of it.
26:18
Speaker 17: But as Alex mentioned, yeah, we just have to all
26:21
Speaker 17: band together and just you know, so many people morning,
26:24
Speaker 17: especially with the.
26:25
Speaker 10: Three funerals that were held today, Denika.
26:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, the three.
26:28
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just awful that three funerals today, Just
26:32
Speaker 3: I mean, it's unfathomable. Janie, thank you so much for
26:35
Speaker 3: that update. Let's bring in now Australian Jewish Association CEO
26:39
Speaker 3: Robert Gregory. Robert, thank you for your time. And we
26:42
Speaker 3: just saw there speaking to Janey. The sheer amount of
26:45
Speaker 3: flowers that have been laid. People are coming there paying tributes.
26:50
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister has not been down to the memorial
26:52
Speaker 3: since Monday morning.
26:53
Speaker 2: He hasn't attended the funerals.
26:55
Speaker 3: What's your reaction to that, Because I understand that there's
26:58
Speaker 3: a lot of anger towards labor right now. Should he
27:01
Speaker 3: be going back to Bondai?
27:04
Speaker 16: Look, the Jewish community is furious at labor. Like you said,
27:07
Speaker 16: any labor minister who shows up is meeting a hostile reaction,
27:11
Speaker 16: as you'd expect. But he's the Prime minister. It's his job.
27:14
Speaker 16: He shouldn't be scared of a hostile reaction. He needs
27:17
Speaker 16: to show up, you know, he needs to confront what's happened.
27:21
Speaker 16: I couldn't believe that he said he can't legislate or
27:25
Speaker 16: he doesn't think he can legislate. So if he can't
27:27
Speaker 16: do it, he needs to step out of the way
27:28
Speaker 16: and let someone else do it. Right now, he's just obfuscating.
27:32
Speaker 16: He's saying that it's a worldwide problem. He's the Prime
27:35
Speaker 16: Minister of Australia. This happened in Australia under his watch.
27:39
Speaker 16: He needs to take responsibility. He needs to own own
27:42
Speaker 16: up to it and fix it.
27:45
Speaker 3: Well absolutely, you know he's dancing around the topic of
27:47
Speaker 3: radical Islam and now saying he can't legislate out of this.
27:51
Speaker 3: I mean, there are so many options available for him
27:54
Speaker 3: and recall Parliament this week for goodness sake and implement
27:57
Speaker 3: the recommendations by his own special long boy, Jillian Siegel.
28:01
Speaker 3: It's just extraordinary. I want to ask you about the
28:03
Speaker 3: police response to this. Chris Mins confirmed to my colleague
28:06
Speaker 3: Sharry markson last night that only three officers were on
28:09
Speaker 3: duty at Bondi.
28:10
Speaker 2: Beach when the Harneker celebration was taking place.
28:13
Speaker 3: The Jewish community have their own security, but clearly that
28:15
Speaker 3: only goes so far. How shocked were you when you
28:18
Speaker 3: heard that three officers were on duty protecting what would
28:21
Speaker 3: have been a high risk event with one thousand people
28:24
Speaker 3: in attendance.
28:26
Speaker 16: I can't believe it, and the Jewish community were grateful
28:29
Speaker 16: for the bravery of We know there are police that
28:31
Speaker 16: are injured and our thoughts are with them. But whoever
28:34
Speaker 16: in management made this decision to have so few police
28:37
Speaker 16: resources for a thousand people, knowing the international climate, it's
28:42
Speaker 16: just crazy. The Jewish community has its own security and
28:46
Speaker 16: they can be armed at synagogues in buildings, but they're
28:48
Speaker 16: not allowed to carry guns in places like Bondo Beach.
28:51
Speaker 16: And I think we're hearing from the government they're trying
28:54
Speaker 16: to deflect and say gun laws need to be tightened.
28:56
Speaker 16: If anything, we need to ensure that at these type
28:59
Speaker 16: of events that the community is able to be protected.
29:02
Speaker 16: If the police can't deploy enough resources, then the community
29:05
Speaker 16: needs to be able to have armed protectors to protect
29:08
Speaker 16: them to I mean, we saw the bravery of civilians.
29:11
Speaker 16: We saw civilians attempt to disarm the government and the
29:15
Speaker 16: alleged government with the bare hands, multiple civilians. Imagine if
29:19
Speaker 16: we'd had just one or two armed guards there, it
29:21
Speaker 16: would have been such a different response.
29:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it would have been.
29:25
Speaker 3: And as we've been reporting this afternoon, one of the
29:28
Speaker 3: alleged government Navin Akram, has just been charged. Robert Gregory,
29:32
Speaker 3: we have to leave it there. Thank you very much
29:34
Speaker 3: for joining me on the show. Really appreciate it. As
29:37
Speaker 3: you can hear, I mean, the anger in the community
29:39
Speaker 3: is palpable, and the Prime Minister still hasn't made that
29:42
Speaker 3: journey back to Bondai.
29:43
Speaker 2: Not good enough. Stay with us after the break.
29:46
Speaker 3: Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell will join me. That's next.
29:53
Speaker 3: Welcome back if you are just joining us. Breaking news
29:55
Speaker 3: in the last half hour. The alleged Bondi gunman has
29:58
Speaker 3: this afternoon been charged with fifty nine offenses, including fifteen
30:03
Speaker 3: counts of murder, one count of committing a terrorist act,
30:07
Speaker 3: one count of discharging a firearm in public, one count
30:10
Speaker 3: of causing a public display of a prohibited terrrist symbol,
30:14
Speaker 3: one count of placing an explosive in or near a
30:17
Speaker 3: building with intent to cause harm, forty counts of wounding
30:21
Speaker 3: with intent to murder.
30:22
Speaker 2: And we'll have more on that throughout the program.
30:25
Speaker 3: Let's bring in Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister Sharen Haskell. Now,
30:29
Speaker 3: thank you very much for joining us this evening. What
30:33
Speaker 3: has the response been in Israel to this massacre.
30:38
Speaker 18: Well, the entire country is mourning together with a Jewish community.
30:44
Speaker 18: We're absolutely shattered and heartbroken. I mean, this is also
30:49
Speaker 18: not just a national event where this is part of
30:53
Speaker 18: the community, part of the family. You know, many people
30:57
Speaker 18: here in Israel have relatives and friends who've last loved ones,
31:02
Speaker 18: who loved ones were injured. For me personally, this is
31:06
Speaker 18: very personal. Look, I lived in Sydney for six years.
31:09
Speaker 18: This was my community. I went to the Khabbad events.
31:12
Speaker 18: I used to serve on the waves in Bondai Beach
31:15
Speaker 18: hundreds of times. It is very personal, absolutely heartbreaking and
31:21
Speaker 18: also at the same time infuriating. We're angry, We're really
31:26
Speaker 18: really angry because you know, blood was spilt and it
31:31
Speaker 18: could have been prevented. There's things that could have been
31:35
Speaker 18: done to at least try to prevent it. And we've
31:37
Speaker 18: been warning about it for two whole years. Two whole
31:41
Speaker 18: years that we've been warning the government, and unfortunately they
31:44
Speaker 18: were not listening.
31:47
Speaker 3: The warning signs have been flashing with big red lights
31:49
Speaker 3: for the last two years.
31:51
Speaker 2: And the saddest part out.
31:52
Speaker 3: Of all of this, it has culminated in the depths
31:55
Speaker 3: of fifteen innocent people.
31:57
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. In your view, is Australia siph for Jews.
32:04
Speaker 18: Look, obviously there's there's huge concerns right now, and I
32:09
Speaker 18: speak to some in the Jewish community who truly feel
32:13
Speaker 18: not just you know, unsafe and and and scared terrified,
32:18
Speaker 18: but they feel betrayed. You know, this events, the explosion
32:25
Speaker 18: of this event has happened because of three main reasons.
32:30
Speaker 18: One is the explosion of anti Semitism and the lack
32:35
Speaker 18: of actions that we weren't made to try and prevent
32:40
Speaker 18: that were the people that were calling for the death
32:44
Speaker 18: of Jews, like people on the steps of the Opera
32:48
Speaker 18: House that were chanting to gas the Jews, or people
32:50
Speaker 18: who were holding proudly terrorist organizations flags, marching in the
32:56
Speaker 18: streets of Sydney or Melbourne. The attacks on synagogues and daycares,
33:02
Speaker 18: you know, attacks on Jewish businesses, discrimination at work, and
33:07
Speaker 18: nothing was done. Even a special envoy to combat antisemitism
33:12
Speaker 18: that Albanizi appointed. She came up with quite a lot
33:17
Speaker 18: of actions that needs to be taken to combat antisemitism,
33:21
Speaker 18: and none were implemented. The second leg that this is
33:26
Speaker 18: standing on is the rhetoric of the Australian government where
33:30
Speaker 18: they bought into a lot of the commases propaganda. They
33:35
Speaker 18: were inflating a lot of the discourse, fueling it with
33:40
Speaker 18: a lot of you know, propaganda that was demonizing Israel,
33:45
Speaker 18: that was demonizing Jews, and unfortunately a lot of this
33:50
Speaker 18: rhetoric has given legitimacy to hurt and a harm Jewish
33:56
Speaker 18: communities across Australia. The third led is what we've seen
34:01
Speaker 18: as an increase of activity of extreme and radical persons
34:06
Speaker 18: and and and groups in Australia. And when we saw
34:10
Speaker 18: the three of them, we knew it's only a matter
34:12
Speaker 18: of time and if action is not going to be
34:15
Speaker 18: taken now, it's gonna end with blood. And it did,
34:20
Speaker 18: and that's why we're so furious. And I truly understand
34:23
Speaker 18: the Jewish community who truly feel betrayed.
34:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, now, look, I couldn't agree more with everything you've said.
34:31
Speaker 3: The alleged gunmen were inspired by Isis. How big of
34:36
Speaker 3: a threat does radical Islam posed to Western democracies in
34:40
Speaker 3: your view?
34:41
Speaker 18: Oh, it's a massive threat. This is a strategy, you know,
34:45
Speaker 18: the Muslim Brotherhood, the IRGC, those are just two sources
34:48
Speaker 18: who produced many active groups that are you know, radicalizing
34:56
Speaker 18: you know, youth towards the inspiration of ISIS or Ramas
35:02
Speaker 18: or Chris Bala. There are cells of Chris Bala and
35:06
Speaker 18: Ramas who are operating also in Australia. There are people
35:09
Speaker 18: who have immigrated into Australia and part of their strategy,
35:13
Speaker 18: it's not just military, it's not just terrorists and and
35:17
Speaker 18: and and and and terrorist activities and killing people, but
35:21
Speaker 18: it is also a strategy of trying to destabilize Western
35:25
Speaker 18: democracies who believe in freedom, who believes in democracy, in
35:29
Speaker 18: women's rights and freedom of expression, and and and and
35:32
Speaker 18: and equality to minorities, and they are trying to destabilize it.
35:36
Speaker 18: You know, Al Jazeera is a mouthpiece for the Muslim brotherhood.
35:40
Speaker 18: We know they've been radicalizing the youth, creating fabrications and
35:45
Speaker 18: and and and and stories and propaganda online. They are
35:48
Speaker 18: one of the most popular networks. There are mosques in
35:52
Speaker 18: Australia with radically moms who are calling, you know, for
35:57
Speaker 18: killing of Zionists, for killing of Jews. You know, there
36:03
Speaker 18: is an activity in Australia. It has to be taken,
36:07
Speaker 18: I think, more seriously, more harshly.
36:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, you're right, it's completely incompatible with our values
36:14
Speaker 3: and our way of life. That is the reality, and
36:17
Speaker 3: we have to confront it head on. We can't be
36:19
Speaker 3: scared to talk about it. It has to be confronted
36:21
Speaker 3: head on. Sharen haschool. We have to leave it there.
36:23
Speaker 3: It's been great to catch up. Thank you so much
36:25
Speaker 3: for joining me on the show. Really appreciate it. We
36:28
Speaker 3: are going to take a quick break. Coming up, the
36:30
Speaker 3: Shadow Education Minister Julian Lisa will join me.
36:32
Speaker 2: That's next. Welcome back.
36:37
Speaker 3: Let's bring in the Shadow Education Minister Julian Lisa. Now, Julian,
36:41
Speaker 3: thank you very much for joining me. I noticed that
36:43
Speaker 3: you've got a sticker. You're wearing a sticker right now
36:45
Speaker 3: that says Matilda, obviously in honor of little ten year
36:49
Speaker 3: old Matilda, one of the tragic victims. And it's been
36:51
Speaker 3: another hard day for the community. Three funerals. I know
36:54
Speaker 3: that you were at the funeral for Rabbi Eli Schlanger.
36:58
Speaker 2: Take us through the day, well.
37:00
Speaker 19: I started at Bondai early in the morning, just greeting
37:05
Speaker 19: people as they went out to do a memorial swim
37:08
Speaker 19: and spoke to people. I spoke to some of the
37:10
Speaker 19: media that were there, and that just spent my morning
37:13
Speaker 19: talking to people as they were laying flowers or as
37:15
Speaker 19: they were walking around Bondai, Rabbis laying to fill and
37:20
Speaker 19: putting the little boxes on the people's heads and arms
37:23
Speaker 19: with prayers.
37:24
Speaker 5: People mourning.
37:25
Speaker 19: And then I went to Rabbi Shanger's funeral. It was
37:30
Speaker 19: such an affecting moment being there. I mean, he was
37:34
Speaker 19: so loved in the Jewish community. He had done so much.
37:37
Speaker 19: He was one of those sort of unassuming people who
37:41
Speaker 19: doesn't seek the limelight but just makes the community run.
37:45
Speaker 19: And so many people spoke of his generosity of spirit,
37:50
Speaker 19: the way he encouraged people, his work with the corrective services,
37:54
Speaker 19: you know, in his prison ministry. Just an extraordinary human
37:59
Speaker 19: being that we've lost, and a father to young children,
38:01
Speaker 19: the youngest are only two months old, who will never
38:04
Speaker 19: know their father. That is just a tragedy and it
38:08
Speaker 19: speaks to the enormous humanity of what we've seen. And
38:10
Speaker 19: then I returned to the memorial outside the outside the pavilion,
38:17
Speaker 19: and there I saw a couple of ladies who had
38:20
Speaker 19: made these stickers about Matilda, and we put up some
38:25
Speaker 19: pictures of Matilda and Matilda's parents were there, I meant,
38:28
Speaker 19: the cousins earlier today, and very very emotional for them.
38:31
Speaker 19: I mean, you know, imagine losing a ten year old child.
38:35
Speaker 19: No one should have to bury their child. It is
38:38
Speaker 19: the reversal of the natural order of things, and yet
38:41
Speaker 19: that's what we are seeing. We're seeing families without fathers,
38:46
Speaker 19: parents burying children. That is the human face of the
38:49
Speaker 19: tragedy of what we saw on Sunday night.
38:53
Speaker 3: Look, it's just unfathomable, Julian, that there really is no
38:57
Speaker 3: words about parents having to bury their child and the
39:00
Speaker 3: rest of the victims.
39:01
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's just awful.
39:05
Speaker 3: Look, let's talk more broadly now about anti Semitism. Penny
39:09
Speaker 3: Wong today made this concession that the alban Ezy government
39:12
Speaker 3: must do more to combat it. She's two years too late.
39:16
Speaker 3: Here was the Prime Minister on that today. Have a listen.
39:19
Speaker 9: I say that the battle against any Semitism has been
39:24
Speaker 9: around for a long period of time. We have called
39:27
Speaker 9: out and will continue to call out. We'll work with
39:29
Speaker 9: the community. I had discussions with community leaders last night.
39:35
Speaker 9: We'll do whatever it's necessary to work with the community
39:39
Speaker 9: to stamp out the scourge of any Semitism.
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Speaker 2: Julian, he hasn't acted on anti semitism. That's the reality.
39:47
Speaker 3: He hasn't gone back to the Bondai Memorial since Monday morning.
39:50
Speaker 3: He hasn't recalled parliament to implement Jillian Siegel's recommendations, says
39:55
Speaker 3: it's too hard to legislate against radical Islam.
39:58
Speaker 2: So what is this prime minister doing.
40:01
Speaker 19: Well, that's a good question, Danika, that the Jewish community
40:03
Speaker 19: cannot live here on.
40:04
Speaker 16: The Prime minister's words alone.
40:06
Speaker 19: The Prime minister's words give no comfort to anyone when
40:10
Speaker 19: he's had a report for six months that he has
40:12
Speaker 19: taken no action. People don't want words. The time for
40:15
Speaker 19: talk is over, it's long over. We want to see
40:19
Speaker 19: the Prime Minister implement Jillian Siegull's report in full. That's
40:22
Speaker 19: what he should have done six months ago, two and
40:25
Speaker 19: a half years ago. He should have taken the threats
40:27
Speaker 19: to Australia far more seriously. And so what have we seen.
40:31
Speaker 19: First they came for the Opera House, then they came
40:33
Speaker 19: for the Harbor Bridge, and on Sunday they came for Bondai,
40:37
Speaker 19: the third most significant icon in the city of Sydney.
40:41
Speaker 19: And they've turned a place that has been noted as
40:44
Speaker 19: a place of freedom and family and a pleasure into
40:48
Speaker 19: a place of massacre. That's what's happened because of the
40:51
Speaker 19: inaction of the government. The government needs to take action.
40:55
Speaker 19: It has a roadmap there. Why they didn't implement this
40:58
Speaker 19: six months ago beggest belief, but it is. It is
41:03
Speaker 19: a species of the way in which the government has
41:05
Speaker 19: approached this whole area that they have had to be dragged,
41:10
Speaker 19: kicking and screaming to do anything to combat anti Semitism.
41:13
Speaker 19: For the last two years, they haven't been proactive well
41:15
Speaker 19: enough enough. It's time to implement the report today.
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Speaker 3: Look, I couldn't agree more. We're almost out of time,
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Speaker 3: but I just want to quickly ask you. Should the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister be going back to Bondai to the memorial.
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Speaker 19: Absolutely. Look, there's no substitute from actually hearing from Jewish
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Speaker 19: Australians and seeing how they are feeling. I don't think
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Speaker 19: it'll be a pleasant experience for the Prime Minister, but
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Speaker 19: he shouldn't shirk the responsibility that he has as the
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Speaker 19: national leader to look people in the eye, to hear
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Speaker 19: from them, to understand their pain, and to take action.
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Speaker 19: Maybe hearing from people about their pain directly will finally
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Speaker 19: get this Prime Minister to act.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it takes a leader.
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Speaker 3: You've got to you know, you might be met with
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Speaker 3: a bad reception, but it's about having the current to
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Speaker 3: go down there and listen to the grieving people. Listen
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Speaker 3: to grieving families and say, okay, time now.
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Speaker 2: Stop with the words.
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Speaker 3: The action is now and he's yet to do that. Julian, Lisa,
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Speaker 3: we have to leave it there. I know it's been
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Speaker 3: a very difficult week for you and your community. So
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Speaker 3: I really appreciate you joining me. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Coming up after the break, ABC journalist Laura
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Speaker 3: Tingle claims the Bondi attack was not motivated by religion.
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Speaker 3: That are more with my panel next, welcome back. Let's
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Speaker 3: bring it in our panel now, Sky News contributor James
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Speaker 3: Bolt and the JJ podcast co host Jamie Johnson.
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Speaker 2: Hight to both of you. Thanks very much for joining
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Speaker 2: me on the show.
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Speaker 3: I want to start over at the ABC, where journalist
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Speaker 3: Laura Tingle has claimed that the Bondai attack on Jews
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Speaker 3: was not motivated by religion. Have a listen, Absolutely a
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Speaker 3: radicalized these words targeting Jews.
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Speaker 11: It is anti Semitic, but we are ascribing all sorts
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Speaker 11: of things, right.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, their actions are not based on their religion.
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Speaker 3: Look, this is extraordinary, James. The attack was targeted against Jews.
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Speaker 3: An ISIS flag was found on the car.
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Speaker 2: They were allegedly motivated by isis what is the ABC hiding?
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Speaker 20: It's Look, I'll be as fair as I can possibly
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Speaker 20: be to Laura and say that what she's trying to
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Speaker 20: say is that in the roots of Islam is not
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Speaker 20: something that can possibly condone what we saw on Sunday.
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Speaker 20: But I mean to be so cavalier in those comments
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Speaker 20: and to deny reality. I know this is all alleged now,
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Speaker 20: and I know we have to say the police are
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Speaker 20: alleging that the NISUS flag was at the car, But
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Speaker 20: to so definitively say that religion wasn't a something that
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Speaker 20: was impacting here is just ridiculous. And it's time and
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Speaker 20: time again we see ABC people say statements. I mean,
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Speaker 20: Laura Tingle has formed. She once called Australia racist country,
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Speaker 20: and you just go there has to be some sort
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Speaker 20: of repercussion internally within the ABC that you can't keep
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Speaker 20: saying these outlandish statements and supposedly neutral, always fair, taxpayer
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Speaker 20: funded organization without repercussions for this stuff like that.
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Speaker 3: No, I completely agree, You're right. I forgot about the
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Speaker 3: Australia as a racist comment. That's a really good point.
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Speaker 3: What is the ABC hiding, Jamie.
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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: You know, since Jamie and I started this podcast in
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Speaker 1: an online social media channel, we have an ear to
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Speaker 1: the ground more than ever before. And the publica outraged
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Speaker 1: that our mass media and our politicians don't call this
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Speaker 1: for what it is. So, you know, as you said,
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Speaker 1: an isis flag, Islamic terrorism. This was an Islamic terrorist attack.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if there were two of them or
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Speaker 1: fifty of them. We have to say allege now absolutely
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Speaker 1: one charge. Yeah, yes, So I think that the public
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Speaker 1: are fed up with this not being called out for
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Speaker 1: what it is. You know, we understand that all Muslims
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Speaker 1: aren't bad. We understand that all Germans weren't Nazis, but
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Speaker 1: there are a small percentage of them that are radicals
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Speaker 1: and it has to stop, has to stop.
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Speaker 3: But this is what we're talking about because the majority
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Speaker 3: of Muslims live peacefully in this country and absolutely as
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Speaker 3: mortified and horrified as we all are about what's happened,
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Speaker 3: But we are talking about a pocket of radical Islam
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Speaker 3: and that is the problem and we have to confront
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Speaker 3: it head on. And it takes both sides of politics
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Speaker 3: to have the guts and the courage to take this
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Speaker 3: head on, let's talk about Anthony Abernese's failures. James hasn't
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Speaker 3: gone back to the Bondy memorial. Okay, you know what,
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Speaker 3: he will probably be met with a bad reception, But
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Speaker 3: shouldn't Alder confront it head on.
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Speaker 20: I just think Anthony Aberesi and he's got no one
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Speaker 20: but himself to blame, but he actually can't go to
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Speaker 20: that memorial because people are going to brew him. I mean,
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Speaker 20: rightly or wrongly. Scott Morrison not having his handshaken by
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Speaker 20: those firefighters became such a defining moment of his prime
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Speaker 20: minister year. People really just go that was the guy
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Speaker 20: that said I can't hold a host. Whatever happens when
45:53
Speaker 20: Anthony Alberanesi next finds himself around a crowd of Jewish
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Speaker 20: people will defined I think at least this year, in
45:59
Speaker 20: his prime ministers year, and probably his entire prime ministership,
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Speaker 20: I think it'd be such an ugly reaction. You think
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Speaker 20: this morning there was the heckler on Sky News at
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Speaker 20: Richard Miles, our defense minister. People are also heckling Tony
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Speaker 20: Burke who went to the memorial under the cover of darkness.
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Speaker 20: Now you need to have a pretty good idea of
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Speaker 20: Australian politics. To be able to identify Richard Miles and
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Speaker 20: also Tony Burke at nighttime. You don't for Anthony albaneasy.
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Speaker 20: I think everyone at that vigil is going to know
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Speaker 20: exactly who he is and say exactly what they want
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Speaker 20: to say, and he can't have that.
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Speaker 13: He should.
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Speaker 20: He should be able to go down to that vigil.
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Speaker 20: He should be able to put a reassuring hand around
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Speaker 20: people that are grieving. Is the right thing to do
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Speaker 20: it for a leader. You think of how strong that
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Speaker 20: image would be. But he can't do it. And he's
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Speaker 20: got no one but himself to blame for that.
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Speaker 2: He's got nobody but himself to do it. But he
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Speaker 2: needs to tackle it head on.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know John Howard did the same thing
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Speaker 3: when he implemented the gun laws and the wake of
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Speaker 3: Port Arthur. You know he did the exact same thing.
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Speaker 3: He went and spoke out to farmers who were very,
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Speaker 3: very angry. It takes guts, it takes courage. That's what
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Speaker 3: you do when you're a leader. Jamie, one hundred percent.
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Speaker 3: You literally took the words out of my mouth.
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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety six, John Howard introduced the most far
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Speaker 1: reaching gun law reforms Australia had ever seen, and Coalition
47:06
Speaker 1: MPs were so nervous about losing their seats and some did,
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Speaker 1: but it took leadership to put in place implement not
47:14
Speaker 1: just words Albin easy, implement change. And so I just
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Speaker 1: think that absolutely shows that he's been spineless. And Tony Burke,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he should be the Home
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Speaker 1: Affairs Minister. He's compromised. There's a conflict of interest when
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Speaker 1: he wants to represent his constituents and more than twenty
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Speaker 1: five percent of his seat have claimed that they follow Islam.
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Speaker 2: So I just think changes have to be made and
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Speaker 2: now yet No, I'm completely with you.
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Speaker 3: Over at Adelaide Oval today they had to ramp up
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Speaker 3: security for the third ASHES test in the wake of
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Speaker 3: the attack.
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Speaker 2: Have listened to the tribute today.
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Speaker 21: After the tragic events at Bondai Beach last Sunday evening,
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Speaker 21: we come together as nations to pay our respects to
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Speaker 21: all those who lost their lives and offer our condolences
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Speaker 21: to their families, their friends and to the Jewish community.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're almost out of time, but James, you know,
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Speaker 3: I was thinking it's actually sad. Now that's got to
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Speaker 3: be a ramp up of security everywhere at these events.
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Speaker 20: This is the Scar tissue. This is the phase of
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Speaker 20: Australia that's going to be changing. I mean that security
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Speaker 20: measure it's for the crowd as much it as it
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Speaker 20: is for security. If people need to feel safe right now,
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Speaker 20: and unfortunately this is the Australia we live in.
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Speaker 3: And that's the saddest part. And there's probably got to
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Speaker 3: be more safety measures to come. That is the harsh
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Speaker 3: reality rights the Scar tissue. It's a very good point.
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Speaker 3: We've got to leave it there, Jamie Johnson, James Bulkwood,
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Speaker 3: to have you both on. Thank you very much for
48:38
Speaker 3: joining me, and thank you so much for your company
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Speaker 3: this evening.
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Speaker 2: I'll be back.
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Speaker 3: Again tomorrow night, but do stay with us. Coming up
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Speaker 3: right now is Peter Kredlin. Good Night,