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Talks to Jim Allenby about his choice of The Snowmen · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast. I am your host Jim Allen beige
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  and today, I'm talking with mr. Joe Ford.
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  How are you? Joe?
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  Hey, I'm very excited to be a guest here on Jim Allenby
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  presents and what a sexy intro that was well, I can do sexy
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  voices from time, I believe you. Now it's wonderful to be here.
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  Thank you for having me. Welcome is.
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  So it's nice to have you on board.
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  Mmm. So what story we're going to be
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  watching today? Well I thought coming on to your
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  podcast so you were going to say Joe, I'm going to direct you to
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  a fantastic season of Doctor Who and watch an absolute highlight.
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  And then you said, Joe, you better watch out from Series 7
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  of the new series I'm going to. Yeah I'm going to ask you to
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  find a little gem in a otherwise season full of rocks.
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  Do you think it's all worthless apart from this step?
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  No, it's not. It's not, and it's one of those
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  Seasons series. Sorry.
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  And I will, you know, I will discuss probably as we go about
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  the era in general, but I think it's unfortunate that this
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  series is, was split in half. I remember at the time, a lot of
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  people Discussing discussing it on certain forums about how this
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  is unacceptable. This should be the anniversary
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  year and we should be getting a full series of Doctor Who and
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  you know, and I didn't agree with that but I wasn't keen on
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  them splitting the series up as it is it kind of works because
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  it feels very different from. You know the part 2 feels very
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  different from part, 1 of see. Seven.
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  And then you've got this little story in the middle of it all,
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  which is called the snowmen, which was the Christmas special.
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  Do you think? I think it damages Serious Six.
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  The splits evens far more serious 6 is like a it's trying
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  to tell a cohesive story. That's all good.
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  Song Story. Yeah.
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  Splitting it into means it loses any sense of momentum or
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  intimate impetus. Yes, her back with a river song
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  story. Then you have all these
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  Standalone. So Then you have the River Song
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  finale, it's just well as here, you've got, Amy, and Rory, sort
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  of protracted departure story with a little Cameo from Jenna
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  Coleman in Asylum for the Daleks then exists.
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  Bridging. The two, with the new Tardis set
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  and new companion. Yes.
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  And then obviously the Clara Arc in the second half of the
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  Season. Yeah, it kind of works a bit
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  better. I think works better.
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  It does work better. Do you can't do you consider
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  this particular Of Series 7. I don't believe that
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  production-wise they consider its part Series 7 or do you
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  consider it a Christmas special shoved in the middle of it?
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  All I consider as Pastor is 7 is such as vital part of the year.
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  I said yeah, I'll let you into a little secret.
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  Yeah, of course, there are drops.
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  Another podcast button will not very popular around these parts
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  but I actually think Series 7 a in particular dinosaurs.
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  The spaceship the power 3, a town called mercy and Angels,
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  Take Manhattan. And the snowmen, which I'm
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  lumping in with that, that might be my favorite run and Moffitt
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  episodes. Really are?
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  They serious 7B where I think it doesn't just come off the rails.
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  We it plummets down a mountain because, yeah, we are.
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  We talking Matt Smith era, we talking, the entirety of the
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  mafia In a successive episodes that I right, okay, the mafia
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  era, I think there's like a serious.
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  A is probably my favorite Muffet season.
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  I guess that's not a popular opinion.
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  I think there are stronger episodes.
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  Don't read about but sort of in a row.
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  Nothing. That's that's five episodes in a
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  row and nowhere else in muffins time.
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  Do you get five? A so by the time, the snowmen
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  here and I really liked it, I was like, well, I'm a real hear
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  what they bring on series 7B. Yeah, I remember I mean yeah.
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  I'm you know I'm bored with you that it's part of Series 7.
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  It is part of Series 7. You can't watch it.
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  You can't miss it. I remember watching.
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  You K gold, or it might have been after UK goal became,
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  whatever it became, watch your W or whatever.
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  And they were doing, they were showing Doctor Who all knew, who
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  from the start, except they weren't showing the specials,
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  the Christmas specials, and they showed Series 7.
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  On and skip the snowmen. So it went straight from Angels,
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  Take Manhattan to the bells of st.
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  John. And I was like, what the hell
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  are you playing at? It's, it's an integral part of
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  the, of the ongoing storyline. You know, you, you could
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  probably cut the other specials out.
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  Mmm, maybe. But put, this is an integral
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  part of the, the series, and it's needed.
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  Most been very disappointing to do for anyone who wondered where
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  David Tennant went. In that case actually video,
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  special design, one minute he was on Bowery base saying it's
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  nominal Victorious. The next minute, he's Matt Smith
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  was yeah I believe they jumped from The Parting of the ways to
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  New Earth. It skipped Christmas Invasion.
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  Like what am I gonna see these? Broad obviously they're not fans
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  get what you're given. All right.
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  Yeah, it's em. Yeah, I when I first watched it,
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  I really enjoyed it but at the time I was swept up in the whole
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  Matt Smith era. Anyway, it was for me, it was at
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  the time I it was the best doctor.
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  Who would ever been? I was I was I didn't say I was
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  happy when tenant went but I kind of had enough of him by the
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  time that he did go. And I was blown away by Matt
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  Smith. Series 5 was fantastic.
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  I liked the Cinematic quality of Series 6 and it kind of
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  continued into Series 7 and I enjoyed it.
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  I enjoyed these entire run. It's only to say that in an
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  apologetic way. You're looking at me.
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  You are allowed to enjoy this era and I still do Do however,
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  as time has gone on, it's I enjoy it.
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  Less and less each time I watch it.
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  Why is that? It's hard to pin it down.
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  There are certain things that crop up in it.
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  I think I've been, I've been watching some real salty stuff
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  with a, with a friend who's never watched Doctor Who before,
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  and we're going through it very slowly.
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  We've only just finished series one and we've watched the
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  Christmas Invasion and seeing it through her eyes eats.
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  Its she enjoys it immensely and it I can see that it appeals to
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  somebody. he's a non-fan and I I think that What happened?
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  When Moffat took over, is Doctor Who when it came back written by
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  Russell, it was written for a family audience, but I think
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  when it changed hands to Moffat, it became it was written for
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  more sci-fi fans. It was written for fans, agree.
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  And I think that it's going to be interesting when we, when we
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  do get to that point where we switch from tenant to, to Matt
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  Smith as to what she thinks. So that But I do feel like it
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  the I think it was a big misstep.
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  I feel it. It lost its way by doing that.
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  I've heard the argument that Rusty Davis is writing,
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  fantastic television, and Steven Moffat is right in fantastic,
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  Doctor Who so he's Rusty, Davis is gearing his television, a
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  populist audience, everybody, the whole family, and everybody,
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  Do you like big brother? We'll watch this.
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  We've got big brother in it, you know.
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  Yeah. You want songs.
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  Fire will do what every Christmas?
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  Yeah and then Moffat comes in and I think he's really
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  appealing to Doctor Who fans come sort of Hell been when
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  we're doing ho episodes on Gallifrey and you know down in
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  The Matrix and all this like what the fuck is a member of the
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  general audience going to think about like what you saw this?
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  Yeah I mean you know it's Heaven sense is one My all-time
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  favorite Doctor, Who stories. It's probably right up there at
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  the top often between that and the curse of fenric apart
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  decide, which is my favourite Doctor Who story between those
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  two. However, I could not imagine
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  sitting down with my mom to watch heaven sent.
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  It should be like, well why is it just wander around this
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  castle for an hour since Lauren? Yeah, but I could easily imagine
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  a sitting down with me to watch tooth and Claw or You know.
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  Yeah cream time when Victoria and a werewolf running around
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  the house. Amazing.
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  Yeah. And I kind of, you know, and I
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  think that and I just have to say that I am a, I'm a huge
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  chip. No fan Jody fan.
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  It's got you know, I've got my reservations over a few things
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  but I'm a massive fan of that era and I think I do feel like
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  Chris chibnall try to recapture that little bit appealing to you
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  to the family. Audience a little bit more
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  before he kind of just threw that out.
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  And and went a little bit more towards writing for Doctor Who
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  fans again, which I AB still absolutely loved.
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  So it'd be interesting to see. I'm hoping Russell goes back to
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  that format of writing for right thing for families again, and
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  writing for the general public, as much as certain sections of
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  Doctor Who fans don't want that. You know, I've I'm not as I've
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  had the reverse Journey with Steven Moffat because that is
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  still widely his favorite era of the new series.
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  Matt Smith is still my least favorite doctor.
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  And I do think there are an incredible amount of missteps
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  along the way bar I threw doing hamster, I've had a lot of
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  people come on and sort of tell me where I'm going wrong and
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  explaining what they do Love About It episodes that I've
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  written off. For like deep breath and things
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  like that. I found sort of a renewed
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  appreciation. For if it's not always for me
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  then I kind of understand. Yeah.
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  That's why it's for other people.
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  Yeah I also think as well you it's weird when a show runner
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  goes out and a new one comes in. Yeah.
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  Give it a little time. If there were things you didn't
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  like about that previous show runner when the new stuff is
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  coming out suddenly you start appreciating things from the old
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  showrunner. But perhaps you were going, oh
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  we're doing This again. Yeah.
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  So some of that sort of labyrinthine plotting the crazy
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  amount of ideas that Moffat has some of the Whittier lines that
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  you throws in even some of the character stuff which I don't
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  think I was seeing at the time I'm seeing a lot more of now.
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  So But I do think this was the period where he struggled the
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  most like he says during the series 7 I was off the boil.
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  I was doing Sherlock at the same time and I couldn't give Eva
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  show the love they deserve and you can't you can't run two
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  massive shows like that. Now you can't primarily writing.
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  Yeah you can you can tell as well you know it kind of feels
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  very thin some of the storylines.
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  I mean oh yeah I was thinking about this the other day and the
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  story. I'm for this is really basic,
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  really it's more character and it because while I was watching
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  I was thinking what actually is the storyline because I'm just
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  watching and I enjoyed the story but I was just thinking I'm just
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  watching set pieces and character things here.
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  You know what Steven Moffat supposed to do know?
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  And I agree and I was like, I got to the end and I'm like,
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  okay, so the whole great intelligence thing.
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  It wasn't really was it going somewhere like did it goes.
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  And I know they're sort of they head off into, was it?
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  Name of the doctor of know it's name is Doctor when they're
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  back. Yeah no no, he's back in bells
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  of Saint. John, isn't he?
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  The greatest obstacles? Yeah.
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  The season, doesn't it? Yeah.
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  And it tries to do the same thing again because in this,
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  you've got Simeon as a Young Man meeting the great intelligence
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  and then they do that bit at the end where he's almost sort of
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  regressing but then they do it again with Celia.
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  Imrie the next episode laughing us, even more effective.
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  Yeah, she's a better. But you know, With the Snowman.
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  All atmosphere alone. I think this is gold.
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  Oh yeah. And if there's one thing that
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  Moffat does better than any of the other showrunners, it's
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  Christmas, mmm-hmm he gets the tone of Christmas, he gets the
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  ambience of Christmas and even our, we can overdo it terribly
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  in stuff like doctor the Widow and the Wardrobe, he kind of
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  gets what gets what it's about family and being together when
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  he gets it, right? I think it's absolutely
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  brilliant. Now some people would say that's
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  Christmas Carol. I'll say it's this and last
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  Christmas which are my two favorites for.
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  Yeah. I would say Christmas Carol and
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  last Christmas for me would be my favorite spot.
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  This is a close, this is three out of you know, this would this
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  would be my third in my top three.
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  I mean I did I did another Pockets.
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  I did Runaway Bride recently, which I think is a hugely
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  entertaining episode but a Especially iron here a few trees
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  and Fly ball balls, but that's the way it should.
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  This is drenched in Christmas, isn't it?
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  Is, it is, it's it's, it is Christmas, isn't it?
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  It's, you know, I, I kind of felt a little bit wrong for
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  watching it, re-watching it this week, because I should be
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  putting this on, on the, on Christmas day.
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  Really, not now, you know, so, Victoria order as well, isn't
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  it? And all of that, Oliver Twist.
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  You've got the you know the Buxom made the bar wench the guy
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  said. Yeah, he know.
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  He absolutely knows what to lean on a quick.
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  Let's yeah. Well, I'm not gonna Lead You
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  astray episode, hey, and just making sure I'm cute up here.
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  So, We will go into it in 5 4 3 2 1, go.
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  Music playing mine was going for a moment.
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  They still have a fantastic school though.
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  I thought, right from the off, those sort of sinister Bells
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  going as that snow is coming down.
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  Yeah, well I think I think this point I mean that looks
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  beautiful, doesn't it that wide shot of the garden?
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  It just looks like a it looks filming but Yeah, it's no longer
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  polystyrene up. The nose of Tom Baker.
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  In sees the Doom is it? No close up shot on Tom?
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  No, this is this is you know, talking about it music as well.
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  This is I feel at this point. Maria Maria goals really settled
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  into into his role that rolled into his music.
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  It's not overpowering. It's not too bombastic, it fits.
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  The scenes it just works and yeah you're right.
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  It's a it's a fantastic score. I do wonder if his most
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  memorable music comes in Rusty Davis's time.
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  That's only because I've heard so much of it because it's
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  locked. It's older its most consistently
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  good. Music is probably Matt Smith's
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  time. Yes.
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  Yeah. And what do you think of saying
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  McKellen? Voicing his great thousands, it
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  is a fact, you know, Jim that Steven Moffat can bring in these
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  phenomenal guest actors. And I've had many people come at
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  me, say, well, what would you rather just have some dreary
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  person doing these roles in these bit Parts.
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  He brings in his great actors and it gives them I mean I
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  obviously I mean IMA kind of probably went.
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  Well I'm just going to do a voice Parts.
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  O'Reilly was part. You know I'd only be seen on
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  this but I leave. Oh no I'm thinking of
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  what's-his-name from A Christmas Carol.
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  Michael Michael Vaughn. He was very unsure about all of
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  that wasn't me. I was working behind the scenes.
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  Yeah, I would love to have seen Ian McKellen on screen if their
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  voice is what we're going to get our than I guess.
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  That's what we're going to get ya.
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  It just doesn't feel. Big enough part for him.
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  You know, I would have preferred him in this part Simeon but you
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  know, I'm sure we'll get to and then there are some actors that
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  are fantastic apart from, you know, when they need to be
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  cgi'd, I believe we were little polystyrene.
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  Things that they made. And I confess something to you,
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  they actually took me until this viewing to realize, that they
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  are snowmen in a great intelligence story.
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  They are abominable snowmen and perhaps that was the idea.
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  Oh, and here we are with Clara. Yes.
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  What why? Yes that's why this is.
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  This is the biggest crime. This episode has is killing her
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  off. I mean, we'll get to it
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  obviously, but you know how good is she in this?
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  You know, as tarnishing a good in this and I'm not a Clara
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  hater. I'm not one of the, you know,
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  one of those people. I don't I just dislike the
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  character on the most part, you know, that the character that
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  she becomes when they settle on whatever character she's going
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  to become bought Jenna. Louise Coleman is probably the
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  most Complex actress in the new series to play a companion.
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  Yeah, fact that she's saddled with that snarky know-it-all
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  Clara that she eventually place. Oh, so she's so Charming in
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  this. She is, she is.
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  And how different would it have been to have had her this
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  version of her going along with this.
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  This doctor, even this version of the eleventh doctor.
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  Do we know why change his mind? Cause I know she was written
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  into some of those screws. Hips.
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  And they had to change the scripts.
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  What she was written in, I didn't know that what you've
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  written into scripts is 37. Because I know Mark Gatiss is
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  Cold War originally had, and you say the greatest crime is that
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  they Roar out, the greatest crime was, they originally were
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  going to call her barrel and Barrel was written into cold
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  water. I mean, can you imagine this?
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  Victorian governess in that submarine.
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  That'd be nice. She'd have been brilliant, but
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  shit. Alright, Great Snake.
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  Now, all I can see is Barrel, read.
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  Traveling with the 11th. Doctor.
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  The name Barrel does come with his dangerous.
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  Yeah. I don't know that but that
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  suppose that explains a little bit.
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  Why she's such a sketchy character in in in the kind of
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  the back half of Series 7 if she was meant to be written like
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  this. And they had to, they had to
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  rewrite it, I don't know what's irritating, as well at this
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  point. The Clara mystery is intriguing.
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  I think the end of this episode, it left me on are all where's
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  this going? We've not seen this done before.
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  I'm very quickly in Syria 7B, got very tired of all.
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  History. Yeah.
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  And that watch. How do you feel about these
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  titles? This is the first time.
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  The only thing I can say, I like about these titles is the
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  movement that we've, I like fast-paced movements through
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  whatever we're going through and I like the face that's
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  incorporated into the tiles, boss.
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  Yeah, they're pretty much. Yeah, they're not good.
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  Once Upon a Time, you know, I've drunk half a bottle of ouzo,
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  yeah, a barbecue and a lot of food as well.
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  And That night. Yeah that is 0 melted my innards
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  and I brought it all up in a horrible mess and it looks very
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  like that title sequence. I just watch it's funny because
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  the majority of Series 7. I would, I would watch I'd go
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  for a pint with my mate on a Saturday afternoon and then I'd
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  come home and watch series 7. So I'd watch it on an under a
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  little bit of a, you know, a little bit of a drunken Haze.
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  Why is something yeah. Yeah, apart from the titles,
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  which Maybe a little bit dizzy. You know, though.
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  But from a very garish and hideous image like that title
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  sequence to these visuals, which are just in chanting throughout
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  this episode. Yeah.
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  And again, nobody does kind of period dramas as well as the BBC
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  really did I, you know? And this is properly.
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  I've got an old Victorian house to snow machines.
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  Going crazy. Marigolds got the choir singing?
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  Yeah. All right.
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  Fantastic. What about what about the
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  doctor? That's this Sullen.
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  Grumpy of given of retired doctor, I like it.
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  I kind of guessed it that eat. They can keep him that way
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  forever, but I like that and I kind of wish that that they,
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  that Matt Smith had been able to play it that way for a little
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  longer. He's yeah, he's very he's very
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  much. I read that they they wanted to
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  write him a little bit like When the series came back with
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  Eccleston being a bit grumpy of it, you know brooding and yeah
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  and II like the idea of that. I mean he, you know, I think
• 24:16
  Matt Smith is place, the doctor, the best in series 5, which I
• 24:19
  think a lot of people have said before, and as the series
• 24:25
  progresses, it becomes even comes a little bit more Zinnia
• 24:29
  and Zinnia and And of out there a little bit and a bit of a
• 24:33
  cartoon character, really, but it's this version of them is
• 24:39
  brooding version of them is just and he looks good as well, in
• 24:43
  the costume. I mean, it looked sort of
• 24:46
  tailored costume, he has in 7B. I've read this like that on,
• 24:50
  lock him. Stay looking like this.
• 24:51
  Yeah, it's just imagine him. And this Victorian Clara,
• 24:55
  they'll be literary scouring the universe.
• 24:58
  Looking like a pair of Victorian.
• 25:00
  It was So really anachronistic and every sort of Science
• 25:04
  Fiction setting. Mmm.
• 25:06
  Yeah. And, you know, I will get to the
• 25:09
  Tardis one week when we get to it and it was a vast Improvement
• 25:12
  on the previous targets. Support, you know, if there was
• 25:17
  ever a tardis console room. Yeah, that was orgasmic.
• 25:22
  It's this one. Yeah, the complete opposite to
• 25:25
  the old one as long as we've got vastra and Jenny as well.
• 25:29
  Hmm. What do you think of the The
• 25:31
  gang. This is one of the things I've
• 25:33
  come to reappraise because I really didn't like him to start
• 25:36
  off with. Hmm.
• 25:38
  And I've since listen to some of their stories for big finish and
• 25:41
  what it's the same with River Song, you know, you take Moffat
• 25:44
  out of the equation sometimes and they come to life in
• 25:47
  unexpected ways. Hmm.
• 25:50
  I think they work really, really well at this and in the Crimson
• 25:53
  Horror and in deep breath, he cries all those stories where
• 25:56
  the doctor sort of the action. Yeah, and they have to sort of
• 26:00
  power the action And, yeah, I think they could have easily
• 26:03
  carried, you know, carried a spin-off show.
• 26:07
  But what, I don't know what it would be aimed at which kind of
• 26:11
  audiences, you know, they've done.
• 26:16
  They've done demographic, tests and they said there's a show I
• 26:19
  or about a prehistoric lizard and her human wife and a
• 26:24
  psychotic potato. He's the doctor be racist or
• 26:30
  strikes? I think so.
• 26:31
  Yeah. I think it's a, it's a little
• 26:34
  bit of casual racism, isn't it? I don't think it's intended to
• 26:37
  make him racist. I just think it's unfortunate
• 26:42
  choice of words as the doctor gives out his latest companion
• 26:45
  in that Carriage. Yeah, he's behaving very a
• 26:49
  strong as well. Go back to him being sort of
• 26:53
  brooding and out of action, right?
• 26:55
  Apparently as well Moffitt really wanted to do the thing
• 26:57
  that The Douglas Adams was allowed to do and that was
• 26:59
  having the doctor say, oh, I've had enough of adventuring, you
• 27:02
  know, I'm retiring. It's that bit later on in this
• 27:08
  agonizing seeing where he dressed up as Sherlock Holmes
• 27:11
  and that's what he's back. You know, the sort of lemonade
• 27:13
  Taps and then dr. Yeah, here we go.
• 27:18
  God too good to be true. Yeah, I think that would have
• 27:22
  been such a good idea though to have him, you know, retired and
• 27:26
  this kind of version of clay. However, brings it brings him
• 27:28
  out of that and they go, they go.
• 27:31
  I don't know. I could have I could have
• 27:33
  watched several episodes of if in being based in Victorian
• 27:36
  London. Well, and you can base him as
• 27:38
  well because they did it in serious 10.
• 27:40
  They gave him a set location and they said he was still able to
• 27:43
  go off and have adventures and it was wonderful coming back to
• 27:45
  that University. Yeah, I can come back to
• 27:47
  Victorian London. They would have been wonderful.
• 27:54
  I mean I think that's the best stories from the Snowman on with
• 27:56
  all this and possibly the Crimson Horror.
• 27:58
  It's the to Victorian ones. Yeah.
• 28:02
  And I think the director of this directed, The Crimson Horror as
• 28:05
  well. Didn't whole really knew his
• 28:07
  stuff that he knew what he was doing.
• 28:09
  Yeah, she said your power isn't ugly fellow Rooney.
• 28:15
  How do you feel about the some tiryns?
• 28:19
  Well, namely Strax being trade in such a comedic way because
• 28:29
  I've kind of done a complete turnaround on it, I didn't like
• 28:32
  it to start with, but the more I've watched things with the
• 28:38
  sontarans, in the more, I realize, yeah, they are a bit of
• 28:41
  a comedy race. Really.
• 28:42
  I think that, I mean, I think the only time they've been
• 28:44
  treated seriously ever, really is war, the sontarans.
• 28:49
  Yo, that's the Bold story. They're making them a credible
• 28:52
  threat. Yeah.
• 28:53
  Whereas there too. They are always a bit like the
• 28:55
  two doctors that poor sontaran. Yes, blown.
• 28:58
  Yup. Acid is his leg chopped off?
• 29:01
  I mean areas. Yeah, you know, you can't
• 29:04
  exactly take store seriously innovation of time.
• 29:10
  I don't think every law that comes out.
• 29:11
  Kevin Lindsey is my off in the time, war is hilarious.
• 29:15
  Fantastic. Once I said, I think maybe Kind
• 29:20
  of a little bit, there's a little less comedy in the
• 29:23
  sontaran experiment a bit torture involved there.
• 29:27
  And yeah, Very sadistic but yeah I kind of you know I was always
• 29:33
  like, you know I know they shouldn't be that yet.
• 29:35
  I think sometimes the comedy can be over played a little bit.
• 29:39
  What fastracks with strategy. Yeah.
• 29:42
  Tom. Tom remember that joke?
• 29:45
  She's this a chip knows about a Ryan comedy.
• 29:48
  But okay, it's move over. You've got sick.
• 29:54
  He's a really funny writer. Margate, it's not me.
• 30:00
  We're going to appeal to all the two-year-olds out.
• 30:04
  I love this. The Carriage pulls away, and she
• 30:08
  standing there behind it. It's just escaped from it.
• 30:13
  Yeah, see this is this is really different to how our Clara is
• 30:17
  introduced in here. She's inquisitive, and she
• 30:21
  doesn't, you know, let the fact that later on that they but he's
• 30:24
  staircase goes up into the clouds.
• 30:26
  Put her off. Yeah.
• 30:29
  Where is this? A lot of pursue the doctor sort
• 30:32
  of pursuing Clara, isn't it? Yeah, bells of Saint John.
• 30:35
  Yeah. I just like her having all this
• 30:37
  agency, you know. Yeah.
• 30:39
  It's all balls. Sorry you're not on me.
• 30:42
  Yeah, I know, I mean I suppose if we'd have kept this version
• 30:47
  of her, we wouldn't have possibly seen her story.
• 30:51
  Probably wouldn't have played out the same.
• 30:53
  Maybe, I don't know. I do like the idea that and I
• 30:58
  can't remember who who suggested it.
• 31:01
  But I do like the idea that the Clara in series 7 B is different
• 31:08
  to the Clara in series 8. That's why personality so
• 31:11
  different because it's a different Splinter and that we
• 31:14
  just haven't seen what's happened in between, that's a
• 31:19
  great idea that person's puts away all my objections.
• 31:22
  If that was only been alive in the story Lorelai, right?
• 31:25
  Yeah. That's why she's a teacher now.
• 31:27
  Okay? Yeah, instead of all this
• 31:29
  off-screen development that we've never heard of, yeah,
• 31:32
  she's actually a different version of her.
• 31:35
  You're choking up another Plus for the mafia era.
• 31:37
  Well, done, we go. You know I don't think any it
• 31:40
  now. I'm gonna say a no Positive
• 31:42
  thing about Steven Moffat here, no writer of dogs who can do
• 31:47
  Ferris out quite like, Steven Moffat know the fairies how of
• 31:51
  your childhood? That's all magic.
• 31:53
  And this is a brilliant example of that as she goes up into the
• 31:56
  clouds. Yeah.
• 31:59
  And, and, and it the whole kind of fairytale thing runs
• 32:01
  throughout his series, you know, it's like Russell Russell T,
• 32:07
  Davies is here. It's very much grounded in
• 32:09
  reality and this is grounded. Fairy tale but Disney isn't it?
• 32:15
  Disney can go one or two ways, right?
• 32:17
  It can be absolutely like, all your dreams.
• 32:20
  Come true and magic and enchanting to watch or ask the
• 32:24
  fucking sick bucket and mulch because those two ways as well.
• 32:28
  You can either have this or you can watch the doctor, the Widow
• 32:31
  and the Wardrobe, you know? Oh, just agonizing.
• 32:36
  I mean, what's more Fairy Tail dinner?
• 32:38
  A magic staircase that goes up into the sky.
• 32:42
  Yeah. Box in the clouds.
• 32:43
  Yeah. Yeah, that's him.
• 32:45
  Doing something original in Widow and the Wardrobe is just
• 32:47
  the cover into all the present, isn't it?
• 32:50
  Yeah, yeah. I think I think that's the
• 32:52
  thing. I mean, obviously, Christmas,
• 32:53
  Carol is very much based on the Christmas Carol and the doctor
• 32:56
  Widow. And the Wardrobe is very much
• 32:58
  based up, well, not a lot of air but has elements of The Lion,
• 33:01
  the Witch and the Wardrobe. This is probably You know, this
• 33:06
  is this is better because it's branching away from from that,
• 33:10
  it's a more original original idea.
• 33:13
  There are many reasons why a Christmas, Carol is my least
• 33:15
  favorite Christmas special. But I will say this, that
• 33:18
  shocked that's floating around in the air and the shoals of
• 33:21
  fish. Awesome magic.
• 33:22
  It's amazing. I mean, look at her there.
• 33:26
  She's just Bewitched as a she Why, why why didn't we have this
• 33:31
  version Barrel? Where did you go?
• 33:38
  And the Tardis as well. Doesn't he know?
• 33:40
  Just what I love here, as well as that.
• 33:43
  You think that you're going to get going into the Tardis at
• 33:47
  this point and they save it. Don't they for later?
• 33:50
  Yeah, she can't boy. Is a hell of a reveal as well.
• 33:54
  Yeah. She kind of yeah.
• 33:57
  She's Very much, I'm not going to stay, and I'm going to stay
• 34:03
  here, I'm gonna have to think about this.
• 34:07
  Straight down the stairs and that's also a very natural
• 34:10
  reaction is. Yeah.
• 34:12
  Okay. That's enough.
• 34:16
  But it's yeah, I think it was done with dry ice, wasn't it?
• 34:21
  It's think it's just, it's so simple and effective for it.
• 34:27
  You know, and you know by the time master of Syria ended, I
• 34:30
  was just I was sick of the whole fairytale thing and I wanted it
• 34:33
  to get back to being a bit darker and it's scary.
• 34:36
  And boy did we get that with Capaldi's first year?
• 34:39
  Because it kind of itches that that kind of fairytale aspects
• 34:43
  really? Doesn't it kind of it?
• 34:45
  Yes. Very much.
• 34:47
  I don't know. Grittier is the right word
• 34:49
  because that's I don't like calling someone a bit twisted,
• 34:53
  isn't it? Yeah, he's a bit twisted and
• 34:55
  supposed to show, you know. It's very it's Very
• 34:57
  uncomfortable. I I'm with you I love series 8
• 35:03
  and I love series tent and I like elements of series 9, but
• 35:07
  it's not always a comfortable viewing.
• 35:10
  I like dancing. And although you know, you
• 35:12
  talked about dark or death and Heaven earlier as a lot of
• 35:14
  problems I have for that but that that's an adult version of
• 35:19
  Doctor Who for the first episode.
• 35:21
  That's that's just kind of ignoring the kids in time.
• 35:24
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:25
  That's my office. Say I just write what I want.
• 35:27
  Um, it's Brave right, but it's Brave.
• 35:30
  Yeah. Where is this is absolutely,
• 35:33
  this is totally geared at the family.
• 35:34
  Audience is it is. Okay.
• 35:38
  Let's try get to the nuts and bolts of this though, about what
• 35:40
  is so fundamentally good about this Clara that it's in prison
• 35:45
  in our Clara? I think I mean firstly he's
• 35:50
  taking her out of the you know she's not in a modern era.
• 35:55
  I think we're looking at somebody who's out with no out
• 36:00
  of time. I think she's I think there's a
• 36:04
  lot of fun behind her and she's very cheeky And she's not.
• 36:13
  She's not snarky know it and she's really enjoying her life.
• 36:18
  Yeah, I almost forgot the impression with Clara from 7B.
• 36:21
  She's a bit like, well, I don't want to be a babysitter, you
• 36:24
  know? Yeah.
• 36:27
  Yeah. This, this version of Clara.
• 36:28
  She is already having fun in her life.
• 36:30
  She's having Adventures. She's a, you know, she's a
• 36:32
  barmaid. She's a, she's a school
• 36:34
  mistress. She's called mr.
• 36:36
  Associate nanny. Rashi's both, isn't she?
• 36:40
  That's all right. Yeah yeah yeah.
• 36:44
  So you know she's already she's already there doing things.
• 36:47
  You know she's she doesn't she doesn't necessarily need the
• 36:52
  doctor in in her life. He just happens to come into her
• 36:56
  life in the same breath. I think she shows appropriate
• 37:00
  fear when things are tense. Yeah, it's she doesn't just
• 37:03
  throw a snarky quit but it's something.
• 37:08
  Okay? And if she doesn't understand,
• 37:12
  she asked what it was. I always feel like the other
• 37:13
  Clara just knows everything. Yeah.
• 37:16
  She's too close. She's too clever.
• 37:18
  She's too clever. Although mine clever women.
• 37:21
  Jesus, no, no God, no television.
• 37:24
  You know, got though but it's like I don't like it.
• 37:27
  When the doctor knows everything I'm over.
• 37:29
  Be a man or a woman. No, no.
• 37:32
  And I think in this quadrant, you know, although she's
• 37:35
  questioning, she clearly knows things as well.
• 37:37
  She's I don't know, she's just fun.
• 37:43
  She's just fun to be around. It's like so simple.
• 37:47
  You know, I'll feel like there's a warm smile on this car.
• 37:50
  Has faced, and there's a smug grin on our claws face.
• 37:54
  Yeah. And there's a world of
• 37:55
  difference between the two. Yeah, yeah.
• 37:59
  You know, and I think also, you know, you this, we have that
• 38:04
  issue of the being. Nobody really knows how to how
• 38:09
  to write her for a long time. And, you know, then she outlives
• 38:14
  her Outlets of welcome, you know.
• 38:16
  I believe she should have gone in in last Christmas and I think
• 38:23
  she's just very, I just don't think anybody knows what to do
• 38:26
  with. I don't think Moffitt knows what
• 38:27
  to do with her. He's a great coincidence, you
• 38:30
  know, that when she finally gets murdered horribly by that Raven,
• 38:34
  that a very next episode post, Clara everyone considers to be
• 38:38
  the all-time Masterpiece of the series.
• 38:41
  Yeah, and then hell-bent where she comes back, no one considers
• 38:45
  that to be the all-time series. Sorry, I'm being mean now.
• 38:49
  No, but she should have got a cheek, there's multiple times.
• 38:52
  She should have gone. And I really thought that was
• 38:55
  the end in face the Raven where she where she got killed.
• 38:58
  I thought I was it done it now. Thank God, they'd already
• 39:00
  brought all that cover on Doctor Who magazine over in the
• 39:02
  American Diner and I was like well we ain't seen that.
• 39:04
  Yeah she's back baby. This bit here as well.
• 39:10
  Where's she staying in the park guide dogs?
• 39:15
  Like a lunatic. Yeah, she's just The now she's
• 39:22
  just adorable. What's nice is you are starting
• 39:25
  to it's nowhere near as effective.
• 39:27
  Do you remember in the stolen Earth and Journey's End where he
• 39:31
  brought in? Just everybody that had been
• 39:33
  involved in the 3 Series? You know, he even created this
• 39:36
  vast array cast of memorable. Characters are both, think we'd
• 39:42
  really done much of that in my office area, to this point and
• 39:45
  I'm slowly, you've obviously got the companions, but then you've
• 39:48
  got River and you've got the paternoster gang with Slowly
• 39:52
  cohering, yeah, we can break it is and I think in series 7, be
• 39:57
  one of the few strengths of it is.
• 39:59
  That's the one time where it feels like there is a set of
• 40:01
  characters around the doc. Yeah.
• 40:03
  Yeah, it's and, you know, I'm kind of sad that the the kind of
• 40:08
  the paternoster gang didn't get a really a send-off really from
• 40:11
  the, from the show, they've just gone.
• 40:13
  Do you know why that is no body found out this week, actually
• 40:17
  listening to another podcast. Apparently Capaldi said, I'll do
• 40:21
  this. All, but I don't want all these
• 40:23
  hangover plots and things I Fresh Start when I do it.
• 40:27
  So Moffitt was like, right, we're going to bring them in
• 40:29
  just to help the transition and then it'll be completely fresh
• 40:32
  from that point on which is why all of this is Jan.
• 40:35
  What a shame? Yeah, I mean, you know, fair
• 40:38
  enough jettison it, if you if you want but at least give him a
• 40:41
  bit of a, an exit story. You know, is they're just gone.
• 40:46
  You never see him again. I'll see what's a stark
• 40:50
  contrast. Just to show how good an actress
• 40:53
  Jenna Coleman is, is she has this exact scene again, in deep
• 40:56
  breath with Madam track in this set, as a different character
• 41:00
  and the tone of it is completely different.
• 41:04
  Now this this scene actually it was it was one of the things.
• 41:09
  One of the things that irritated me not the scene itself but
• 41:14
  because it doesn't really make much sense.
• 41:16
  You know, they talk about one word answers and the thing that
• 41:22
  gets the doctor's attention is she says Pond and that's fine
• 41:29
  from a story perspective, that's going to get the doctor to, you
• 41:32
  know, attention however, why would she Think that that word
• 41:38
  would get the doctor to help. Okay.
• 41:42
  So you're saying what? Yeah this is something happening
• 41:45
  in the pond outside though. It is.
• 41:48
  Yeah. But what would I still say it's
• 41:52
  a yeah, a bit forced. It's forced.
• 41:55
  Yeah, and I think that is and, and we get something else
• 41:59
  similar later on in the story where the made that the house
• 42:03
  opens the door to Jenny and vaster and vaster stairs.
• 42:08
  I'm the lizard woman from the dawn of time and it's a get
• 42:12
  that's great, it's funny, it's comedy.
• 42:14
  However getting me all the Steven Moffat characters tall,
• 42:16
  that allocate different And I think that's the that's the
• 42:26
  issue for me what you know and fine if that's the if that's the
• 42:30
  style of but that takes me out of the story, you know.
• 42:35
  The she didn't need to crack a line there too, to make the mate
• 42:41
  scream. She didn't know the maid could
• 42:44
  have just screamed from seeing her, you know.
• 42:49
  Yeah. What's the one with the Who
• 42:51
  keeps fighting all the way through the story.
• 42:54
  Is it the adult? A, how is it?
• 42:56
  Ya know, there's, there's a doctor who knew serious story
• 42:58
  whether in the past and every time it's confronted with one
• 43:01
  thing after another and he's fainted becoming which episode
• 43:05
  it is. I think it's a Jody.
• 43:06
  I think it might be. Yeah, well, that's going to book
• 43:09
  me now and also we're getting a brief Glimpse that console there
• 43:13
  because our room but just the lights, you know, I do like the
• 43:16
  touch that he's wearing, he's wearing a nice glasses and now
• 43:20
  we'll saw the little details that Moffat does remember, you
• 43:23
  know? But kisses for the past, like
• 43:25
  they again, he's right for Doctor Who fans.
• 43:27
  Okay, he wants to reward Doctor Who fans, you know, the idea as
• 43:32
  well of their the snowglobe being the great intelligence
• 43:36
  skin is so simple but it's really is its Vivid is
• 43:40
  memorable. It is it is and I think that's
• 43:42
  you know that that's what Moffat doesn't quite does very well.
• 43:45
  He puts memorable things, here we go.
• 43:52
  And you know what? It's even playing the Sherlock
• 43:54
  theme tune. Yeah.
• 43:56
  See this is the Steven Market. Takes you straight.
• 43:59
  Yeah, it takes, it takes you straight out of the story.
• 44:02
  It's so good. Okay.
• 44:04
  Metal isn't it? Yeah, and you don't so far in
• 44:07
  this episode, he's not been screaming.
• 44:09
  I'm clever, I'm clever, right? Yeah, it's remember this,
• 44:13
  whereas, in this scene just screams of it and there's
• 44:15
  absolutely no reason he needed to turn up in this costume
• 44:18
  either because everyone at home is going.
• 44:20
  Ah ha ha Sherlock references. How witty Yeah, exactly.
• 44:24
  It's again it's another forced of thing, you know.
• 44:31
  It's the two teaspoons of this story together.
• 44:33
  You know, it's the Moffett smug comedy scene and Richard Lee,
• 44:38
  Grant. We haven't talked about.
• 44:43
  I was gonna, I was about to say that takes us on to Richard E,
• 44:46
  Grant. Yeah.
• 44:54
  Go on, what's your opinions on him for your silence speaks
• 44:56
  volumes? I think it's a true gift, you
• 45:00
  know, that I'm an can stride so many franchises and fantastic
• 45:06
  movies, without one scintilla of acting talent.
• 45:12
  I mean, it's astonishing, his career is a staunch.
• 45:14
  He's the same thing in each thing that he does.
• 45:21
  It's just three chewing the fucking scenery right now, and
• 45:24
  instead, he's just, there is a zombie.
• 45:27
  I'll tell you what, we see more charismatic zombies in Doctor,
• 45:30
  Who Bündchen Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS got more
• 45:37
  lives than him. And what's worse?
• 45:40
  Is he turns up in the bells of st.
• 45:42
  John, and he turns up in name of the doctor as well.
• 45:45
  Yeah, I guess Evermore board in the role.
• 45:47
  Doesn't he like his? Yeah, I'm name of the doctor is
• 45:50
  likely Please kill me when he died at the end of this.
• 45:54
  Also, we fall on our side goodness.
• 45:59
  Well, it's the most sparkling turn, is it?
• 46:03
  No, it's not. How, what did you did you ever
• 46:08
  watch him in a stream of the schalke?
• 46:12
  And the animated we were spared word way we were spared a run of
• 46:17
  so non-stick performances well whoever made that casting
• 46:24
  decision I hope you're not still doing that job.
• 46:32
  I mean Matt Smith Richard A Grodd i'll-- are Worlds, Apart
• 46:36
  are they? Staying?
• 46:40
  As an are actually actually the great intelligence is just this
• 46:43
  sort of emotion was force, you're right?
• 46:45
  They couldn't find it. Kind of It, kind of works.
• 46:51
  It kind of works but not with need.
• 46:53
  Somebody charismatic to play against.
• 46:56
  Yes, it seems in like Crimson or aware Diana, Rigg are so great.
• 47:00
  You know, you give him a good actor to play against otherwise
• 47:04
  it just looks like he's playing Looney Tunes while the other
• 47:06
  person is rolling their eyes going.
• 47:07
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:08
  You are you really gonna play it that way, you know, clashes
• 47:12
  doesn't it and it makes it worse than what it has actually
• 47:14
  intended to be and it's a shame, you know, because it's probably
• 47:19
  the one sticking point. In this episode.
• 47:22
  Yeah. I like that when he waves up at
• 47:26
  the window, is she standing up to her bedroom?
• 47:30
  Yeah. Dairy cow.
• 47:32
  And this fate a couple as snog box, you know, in the bells of
• 47:36
  Saint John. Snog box.
• 47:40
  Yeah, that's what she calls. The Tardis not get me, so she
• 47:43
  does, doesn't she? Yeah, I'm with giant a no
• 47:49
  hanky-panky in the toilet. Well, it sounds to fellows in
• 47:54
  practice Ayers. Then I'm all over and and and
• 48:00
  and again, I think Sometimes I like the way it plays off. and
• 48:08
  of innocence of, Of Matt, Smith's eleventh doctor.
• 48:14
  I kind of sometimes see him as a bit of a teenager really, you
• 48:19
  know, it doesn't always work, you know, there was a place like
• 48:25
  the the old man in in a young man's body brilliantly in series
• 48:30
  5. I feel like it's almost
• 48:32
  abandoned later on there are moments.
• 48:34
  Yeah. He says, he feels different in
• 48:38
  series 5, even the way he looks, you know, he's very true, a sort
• 48:42
  of costume. God is great.
• 48:45
  It's pure trowel, isn't it? And even, even his, even his
• 48:48
  hair, you know, he's much more tailored, after serious five.
• 48:52
  You know, why don't you? It's because the impossible
• 48:53
  astronauts happily Americans are watching.
• 48:55
  Now. We can't ever a trampy hero
• 48:58
  anymore, but they've got be tailored.
• 48:59
  Yeah, See, this is a fabulous idea.
• 49:02
  The ice ice. That's the way to do it.
• 49:06
  Nothing days. Worse than CGI.
• 49:09
  Now You know, we talked who fans were no special effects ever,
• 49:14
  been a sticking point. We just we watch it and we
• 49:20
  accept it for what it was at the time.
• 49:23
  You know, it's true. Jim that are I have said very
• 49:25
  mean things about a lot of children, in the Steven, Moffat
• 49:30
  era are called them, The Brood of the Damned, you know.
• 49:32
  And think about some of the ones we've had their, you're not
• 49:34
  whole bunch in in the forest of the night and we'll see that
• 49:39
  renders kid in night terrors well, this pair they're bucking
• 49:45
  the trend often they're quiet. They're all right, aren't they?
• 49:48
  They're not, you know what the focus isn't on them.
• 49:51
  They're part of the story. Tori.
• 49:53
  But we're not eating into, we're not the story through their
• 49:56
  eyes. Although you know, I thought
• 49:59
  that the, the young has Iran in Christmas, Carol was pretty well
• 50:05
  acted Oh, hang on it, which one? Because I don't want to say
• 50:08
  anything inappropriate here. Oh no.
• 50:10
  I'm thinking about the one, who's about 20, because he's hot
• 50:13
  as hell. You're talking about natural.
• 50:14
  I'm talking about the child. Yeah, okay yeah.
• 50:17
  Don't think he talks. All right?
• 50:20
  No, he was pretty good and obviously, young Amelia Pond as
• 50:22
  well. Yeah.
• 50:23
  Oh yeah. He was loaded to a false sense
• 50:26
  of security. She was so good in the 11th
• 50:28
  Hour. He's like, right?
• 50:29
  Right. Kids into every episode, there
• 50:31
  are mates. Okay, let's get any old child
• 50:35
  actor in we're doing based on deceit now, aren't we?
• 50:39
  We are ya. Hmm.
• 50:40
  Just for sort of five minutes. Yeah.
• 50:45
  There's one thing Doctor Who can do well, it's run around a manor
• 50:47
  house. It's whilst a monster
• 50:50
  approaches. Do you think, do you think the
• 50:55
  doctor should be this distraught about losing his companions?
• 51:01
  Because this is like, this is Rory, isn't he?
• 51:05
  So I think this is probably a better way of doing it than
• 51:07
  having an entire season of him moaning.
• 51:10
  Yes, but moaning. Mourning, the loss of Rose.
• 51:14
  It's there is 3. Yeah, I love seriously.
• 51:18
  But that's the one thing. Where are my God?
• 51:19
  You bastard. Ya horrible about this offseason
• 51:25
  has she told you to fuck off at the end of the year.
• 51:27
  Yeah. Doing it this quick and I quite
• 51:31
  liked it in dr. Mysterio's.
• 51:33
  Well, we're just a couple of scenes where he Mourns the loss
• 51:36
  of river in wedding of River. Song.
• 51:39
  Was he cool? Husbands our river systems?
• 51:42
  Another good Christmas special, so he does not come out.
• 51:45
  Yeah, he does. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:48
  Got ya. See and this is the sort of
• 51:50
  humor are. Hey it's Matt Smith walking into
• 51:54
  a tree and a backward spacesuit. Yeah, it's that really off and
• 51:58
  it's not often fingers funny for the kids.
• 52:00
  No. No.
• 52:01
  And I'm quite embarrassed for that actress.
• 52:05
  Really because she was she played a main part in life on
• 52:10
  Mars. If he's if he watched Life on
• 52:12
  Mars before he died, didn't she wasn't the main woman was she
• 52:15
  she was Annie in life. On Mars.
• 52:18
  No, she wasn't. Mmm.
• 52:19
  So when she totally different know.
• 52:21
  So when she turned up in this I was thinking oh she's going to
• 52:24
  have a, you know, which she's going to have a quite a big part
• 52:27
  and it will she's not she's just kind of reduced to running
• 52:30
  around and screaming and fainting.
• 52:33
  I feel sorry for a lot of famous people in the mafia of all sorts
• 52:37
  of Coleman. You know, and Bill Bailey.
• 52:41
  Yeah. But like the humor quickly.
• 52:44
  Yep. Like his humor can be so
• 52:46
  sophisticated, I Leon, what's press-gang, right?
• 52:49
  Where the dialogue is the constantly with you throughout
• 52:52
  and he's doing that sort of Shakespearean in one door out
• 52:56
  another, you know, and and and that sort of fast furious comedy
• 53:01
  really clever. Then on the other hand, he does
• 53:04
  jokes, you know, the would drop like a lead balloon at a kids
• 53:07
  party. Yeah, you got to wonder what I
• 53:12
  mean when he wrote press gang unit that was obviously shown on
• 53:17
  kids TV. Wasn't it back in the nineties?
• 53:20
  So seriously sophisticated that show.
• 53:23
  It's properly a dull. Yeah, I don't know why he gets
• 53:29
  it wrong. Maybe because he thinks he has
• 53:31
  to write for kids when he's writing this.
• 53:33
  When he's writing humor, I don't know.
• 53:36
  See, when Lynne Russell T Davies does the same thing.
• 53:38
  You'll have a burping bin or a farting.
• 53:41
  Ting politician, right? I like for me that just works
• 53:46
  because like I hate to say it but flatulence doesn't make it,
• 53:50
  you know, I was like, like you got it brings a kid in and
• 53:52
  Falls. He goes right.
• 53:53
  That's funny. There's yeah.
• 53:56
  Oh yes. Do you know the tree come
• 53:58
  through the wall when Jackie say that amazing line about it,
• 54:01
  you'll burn Christmas trees. Who is lucky gauges?
• 54:05
  Is comedy really well? He does.
• 54:10
  I'm not sure about the kissing, I don't like the kissing but you
• 54:13
  know, I'll have been told that I'm a bit of an old fusty
• 54:16
  fuddy-duddy and having a sexy Doctor Who that, you know, likes
• 54:22
  ladies in short skirts, refreshing, new element of the
• 54:27
  show. I don't think there's anything
• 54:30
  particularly wrong with it. It's, you know, I remember that
• 54:34
  the, the the Aurora that that was thrown up when the TV movie
• 54:44
  came out and you know, the doctor was kissing Grace and it
• 54:48
  never bothered me. I think what Bob I think it
• 54:54
  works and I'm okay with it, if there's a reason for it, I don't
• 55:01
  think it at what I when I don't like it is.
• 55:04
  When it's done for no reason. Like, that was just dumb to have
• 55:08
  a kiss. Yeah, to have a kiss.
• 55:10
  Yeah, it's any. Yeah, it it happens often.
• 55:15
  It's daughter and unicorn and the WASP where she goes.
• 55:19
  You want to shock, I'll give you a shock as he does so.
• 55:23
  So to save his life, you know. Yeah.
• 55:26
  That's what I think sexual about it at all.
• 55:28
  No no. Which is great.
• 55:31
  But like these clearly, Matt Smith and Jenna Coleman have
• 55:34
  sexual chemistry, like is very apparent and they lean into it a
• 55:38
  fair bit. Yeah.
• 55:40
  And I think that's what people were like.
• 55:42
  Yeah. Romantic chemistry.
• 55:44
  Fair enough. Sexual chemistry.
• 55:46
  Hmm. Yeah.
• 55:48
  Or maybe I'm just very old. I don't think so.
• 55:54
  It's the same people better accuse me of just throwing this
• 55:58
  out at the Straits because, you know, if you seen these pictures
• 56:01
  that are popping up on social media of shoetique, at war in
• 56:04
  his underwear, in the gym. Mmm, I don't want to see the
• 56:07
  doctors cock. Jim.
• 56:08
  All right. There's a kind of, there's a
• 56:17
  kind of line isn't there. There's a kind of there's a
• 56:22
  line. If that makes it cheaper.
• 56:25
  Lawyers you go so far. Here we go.
• 56:31
  Now we've got this wonderful set piece of this crazy ice maiden.
• 56:36
  And now we're going up the staircase into the TARDIS.
• 56:42
  I don't think there's a Duff now from this point on you.
• 56:45
  No, no no. Oh yeah, there is, I've just
• 56:49
  remembered one, just one, it's the crying.
• 56:53
  The tears come down, love ya. What is it with Moffat and
• 56:59
  emotions? You know, love and crying.
• 57:04
  And yeah, it's Yeah, it looks so good again, doesn't it?
• 57:10
  Basic yeah, enjoy your reminds me over that bit in.
• 57:13
  Moulin Rouge when you McGregor and Nicole Kidman to the cloud
• 57:16
  and have a little dance around. Yeah.
• 57:19
  And that was a big budget, Hollywood Blockbuster.
• 57:21
  You know. Yeah.
• 57:23
  Look at this. Sexy Tardis.
• 57:25
  And it is, isn't it? And I know a lot of people say,
• 57:28
  oh, it's much better when a couple comes in and they kind of
• 57:32
  put a lot of Furnishings in it and they, you know, give them a
• 57:34
  little Library up there and any probably does look Better in the
• 57:39
  Coppola Arab or going from what we had before this to this.
• 57:44
  It's stunning that I love the lighting in it.
• 57:48
  The, the bluish green it just looks so good you can.
• 57:53
  And it feels like the Tardis to, I think the issue that I had
• 57:58
  with Smith's, first hardest was to eat.
• 58:00
  Just it was a mess. It reminded me of ever gets a
• 58:04
  world-class and chrome. It, rose with those Conference
• 58:06
  Centers where they have, Engines.
• 58:08
  You know, it look as boring as that console room.
• 58:11
  Yeah, and you never got a sense of way you were in it.
• 58:15
  I mean, I still don't know whether the doors were in the
• 58:20
  Tardis in that console room. It just, you just never knew
• 58:24
  where you were. You were in there.
• 58:27
  But this is just, I mean, this is probably my favorite.
• 58:31
  I do have a real soft spot for Jody's as well when they when
• 58:35
  they learn how to light it and shoot it.
• 58:37
  Well, which I think, I think is from a sort of series 12
• 58:39
  onwards. Hmm.
• 58:40
  Yeah, I think it's like, can you hear me to remember when all the
• 58:43
  lights are down, it was really atmospheric.
• 58:45
  Yeah. Blues and reds.
• 58:47
  And and I think if there was one thing, because I've got a soft
• 58:51
  spot for Jody Tardis as well. And I think if there's one thing
• 58:53
  I would change about her tireless, it would have been to
• 58:55
  get rid of the big penises. But I got rid of that, just
• 59:01
  mapping that that toy the console, okay?
• 59:03
  Now, you know, you've got one of these bedside drawer and they
• 59:15
  were pink originally. And it's not realize that a
• 59:17
  gradient that's or bronzy color. Yeah.
• 59:21
  It would have, it would have opened the set out more if
• 59:24
  they'd have got rid of them because instead, there's a lot
• 59:27
  of scenes of really see what's going.
• 59:29
  Because people are, you know, but yeah.
• 59:32
  Swinging IT, background to to this Tardis.
• 59:36
  As good as this sequence is, with Victorian Clara.
• 59:41
  Going in my favorite scene in the bells of Saint.
• 59:44
  John is when our Clara and it's that you know, when they go into
• 59:49
  the Tardis right around the console out and into the plane.
• 59:52
  Yeah. Honestly best entrance the
• 59:55
  Tardis you're ever gonna they'll never top it.
• 59:58
  That was such a kind Of high-energy sequence as well.
• 1:00:02
  I, when I watch that at the time, I was like, wow, this is,
• 1:00:05
  this is so good and this is total Moffitt as well.
• 1:00:09
  He's giving you this lovely moment and absolutely certain.
• 1:00:13
  Yeah, this is where she's going to join the Tardis and we know
• 1:00:17
  that the ice woman's following them and then she suddenly grabs
• 1:00:20
  her and pulls her back. Yeah, I've been watching it go.
• 1:00:25
  No. And then you think oh well they
• 1:00:28
  that my actually bring her back and oh my god.
• 1:00:32
  I've just realized. Yeah he murder someone and they
• 1:00:35
  say did yeah it can't be. Now I do have a finger know if
• 1:00:42
  she fell from a great height. Maybe her head would have been
• 1:00:45
  crushed in and there'd be a lot less.
• 1:00:46
  I think, they'd be a lot more be, a lot more physical damage
• 1:00:50
  than that. I don't, I don't kind of get
• 1:00:54
  that though. It materializes the Tardis
• 1:00:56
  around her. What I've done is a few times.
• 1:00:58
  However, they, they did it with brokers in partner, the ways.
• 1:01:01
  I don't quite get it. We've never done it before, but
• 1:01:05
  yeah. No, I think.
• 1:01:07
  Yeah. Well, the same thing happens in
• 1:01:10
  Billing, doesn't it with the angels around the Tardis?
• 1:01:13
  Yeah, although that's that's that's clever plot and that's
• 1:01:17
  quite a. Yeah, I think just doing it for
• 1:01:20
  the hell of it. Is just the right side of
• 1:01:22
  Norfolk clever. That is Like, you know,
• 1:01:29
  obviously I've become a little bit of a known as the person who
• 1:01:34
  doesn't like muffins approach to Doctor Who in this podcast world
• 1:01:38
  that we exist in. But like, when he's on form it's
• 1:01:42
  probably the best Doctor Who ever is.
• 1:01:45
  It is and I think a good 50% of his era is really good and solid
• 1:01:53
  and I and the other 50% well, they just think for me.
• 1:01:56
  That's fair. Yeah, and as I think sometimes,
• 1:02:00
  you know, it's not not everything is going to appeal
• 1:02:02
  the appeal to, to you as it, you know.
• 1:02:04
  There's again there's very few Moffat stories typically Mack
• 1:02:12
  Smith stores. I go back to know, maybe because
• 1:02:16
  the cell Arc heavy, I'll definitely be there.
• 1:02:19
  Scott that's got something to do with, isn't it?
• 1:02:21
  There's a lack of re-watch ability because you can't just
• 1:02:23
  watch one, mhm. Yeah, it is.
• 1:02:26
  Like when I, when I was, you know, trying to entice their
• 1:02:30
  that the my friend to watch Doctor Who.
• 1:02:32
  And I was trying to think of some Matt Smith episodes I could
• 1:02:36
  put on and I was like, well, what can I put on?
• 1:02:39
  Which isn't kind of in the middle of an arc or a standalone
• 1:02:44
  and she's not very good. So, you know, as sort of good as
• 1:02:48
  a reset as the 11th hour is, I still think roses your best
• 1:02:51
  eaten to the new series. Yeah.
• 1:02:53
  Yeah. It sort of says, every question
• 1:02:56
  it does. It doesn't it it does.
• 1:02:57
  Yeah. Offers this huge sort of thrill
• 1:02:59
  of Adventure. Yeah.
• 1:03:05
  Why? So this is the point where we
• 1:03:08
  kind of still trust more fit to kill people and for them to say
• 1:03:12
  so, will I, okay, this is very moving when I got to a point you
• 1:03:16
  know, when Bill got shot I was like, oh please.
• 1:03:19
  Yeah. I mean, the first of all, I know
• 1:03:22
  you called, what are you doing? The most likable fucking
• 1:03:29
  companion. You've given us.
• 1:03:31
  And now I kind of would have been would have liked it better
• 1:03:34
  ending for Bill really? As much as that to.
• 1:03:37
  Is just orderly fantastic. No, it's about my recording of
• 1:03:42
  that. You may have mentioned it
• 1:03:45
  before. Let's press record.
• 1:03:48
  What all for free and a half hours.
• 1:03:51
  Oh my word. It wasn't the wind, the cold.
• 1:03:54
  Nothing was saving. I was like the London
• 1:04:03
  Underground on it. Now is this leading into the web
• 1:04:05
  of fear? Hey.
• 1:04:07
  So I think he's on intentionally giving the great intelligence,
• 1:04:11
  the idea, because I don't think we knew Weber fear been found
• 1:04:17
  that this point. Our think TV series is leaning
• 1:04:20
  into the fact that oh, really. I think so.
• 1:04:23
  Yeah. I didn't even think about it.
• 1:04:25
  Like, what is that awful coincidence?
• 1:04:27
  That the great intelligence? Yeah, I just as this was found
• 1:04:32
  by Horace, that's it. Really It's a really nice idea.
• 1:04:39
  Because obviously we got the Abominable snowmen after this,
• 1:04:42
  really in. But so in in, in terms of years,
• 1:04:47
  yeah, Hold at the doctors paste. Okay, one or two ways of
• 1:04:56
  mathematics when he does anger. Sometimes I think it can be
• 1:04:59
  really embarrassing and other times, I think he really sells
• 1:05:02
  it. Yeah.
• 1:05:04
  He's often in the same thing, you know?
• 1:05:07
  Yeah, I I mean I remember watching nightmare in silver.
• 1:05:15
  Yeah, that's it gets any more of them that were raised.
• 1:05:20
  That one for Mama surprising. No, has been clamoring to do
• 1:05:23
  that one or Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS.
• 1:05:29
  I mean, it my wife at the time she was she was like, This is
• 1:05:35
  this is the best performances ever given in nightmare in
• 1:05:38
  silver. And I was like, What He kidding,
• 1:05:40
  why? She's not your wife anymore as
• 1:05:42
  let no reason to get divorced. Um, you know, honestly, there's
• 1:05:47
  sales I was going to say, earlier about the paternoster
• 1:05:50
  gang are my don't have a child suit.
• 1:05:52
  I'm going to say it here, but I see one thing I've come to
• 1:05:55
  reappraise is each of the individual performances of those
• 1:05:59
  three and I think no one's got an easy task there, because it's
• 1:06:04
  it catering. Catering name is Kathleen is
• 1:06:07
  Catherine playing Madame vastra, battle almost impossible role to
• 1:06:12
  play. You know, Victorian vigilante,
• 1:06:15
  Sylar Ian. Yeah, she keeps the enormous
• 1:06:19
  dignity. Then you've got Jenny who's in
• 1:06:22
  the Des Adam version position of reminding everyone that she's a
• 1:06:26
  lesbian every five minutes. You know, I know people might
• 1:06:31
  think listen to this podcast, so I go around telling everyone,
• 1:06:34
  you know, I'll suck cock but I don't do that.
• 1:06:36
  People don't do that in life. And yet, she managed to play
• 1:06:39
  that role that she's really Charming, I think.
• 1:06:43
  Yeah. And then you got down, starkey's
• 1:06:44
  played loads of sontarans. This point and abused, every
• 1:06:49
  single one with a different personality, and it's just
• 1:06:52
  really fun to watch. He's almost he's almost
• 1:06:57
  unrecognizable in because he plays a sontaran in War of the
• 1:07:00
  sometimes doesn't me in flux and he's the one that goes Chuckles
• 1:07:06
  is he that you don't look at him and think its tracks is just,
• 1:07:12
  you know, it's so completely different and I think he even
• 1:07:16
  come in The name of this some tar and in some tearing
• 1:07:19
  stratagem, but again, he's totally different plane and
• 1:07:22
  totally different, some Terran Steven Moffat read.
• 1:07:27
  All of these jokes for Strax hundreds of jokes, you know, and
• 1:07:31
  a lot of them haven't landed. And then chip, no came in and
• 1:07:33
  goes wrong with the funniest bit ever is that sontarans say, and
• 1:07:38
  I wanted to ride a horse. What's the current now I've lost
• 1:07:48
  the plot snow globes. Going crazy.
• 1:07:51
  Yeah. Oh, that's right.
• 1:07:57
  Do you remember the? We think the doctors one is
• 1:08:02
  done. Something clever with Simeon.
• 1:08:04
  Yeah. And the great intelligence is
• 1:08:05
  going. No, no, I know you guys really.
• 1:08:08
  You don't think it's gonna be that easy.
• 1:08:12
  That was nice. Like I don't think we really
• 1:08:17
  give a shit about the great intelligence.
• 1:08:19
  I think we care about this point.
• 1:08:21
  Yeah. And I think, I think that's the
• 1:08:23
  thing. It's very, he's very much, it's
• 1:08:26
  a thin plot like I said earlier on, it's a thin plot and this is
• 1:08:30
  kind of a hole just laughing at Richard grunts performance.
• 1:08:37
  This is the most and make it is being in the hole and he's being
• 1:08:42
  animated, isn't he? The only way you can get it?
• 1:08:46
  Displaying emotion is to force the character to, so now the
• 1:08:53
  intelligence is in control of him, but yeah, it's very much
• 1:08:59
  he's background. It's the plot is background
• 1:09:02
  stuff, really? It's designed to To, to allow us
• 1:09:11
  to have those set pieces and character points.
• 1:09:15
  You've had kind of got two ways to have a success in the new
• 1:09:20
  series episode because you only got 45 minutes or an hour to
• 1:09:23
  sell it is you tell a really great character story or you
• 1:09:27
  tell a really great plot and often the best the very best our
• 1:09:33
  when both those things score. Yeah, I'll take one or the
• 1:09:37
  Other, you know you've got really great plot.
• 1:09:39
  Her a, we've got a fantastic carrot, study brilliant.
• 1:09:41
  Yeah, this is a really great character study.
• 1:09:45
  Yes. And it's an adequate plot.
• 1:09:48
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:09:50
  It's the carrot it's the character study in the end.
• 1:09:53
  That it holds it together, doesn't it?
• 1:09:59
  The trouble with serious 7B is, you haven't got great plots or
• 1:10:02
  great carrot. Studies is just a load of set
• 1:10:05
  pieces. I do enjoy the name of the
• 1:10:08
  doctor though. I do enjoy the name of the
• 1:10:10
  doctor then I like rings of akhaten.
• 1:10:14
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:10:24
  But then I think. Do I like the name of the doctor
• 1:10:26
  or do I like it because it feels Choose the, it features, all
• 1:10:30
  these little kisses to the Past, you know?
• 1:10:33
  And I think sometimes we can get caught up in that.
• 1:10:35
  And, you know, is it an entertaining story or is it just
• 1:10:39
  really exciting? And because John hurt's at the
• 1:10:41
  end and we see doctors running past Clara.
• 1:10:44
  And I've heard it described as Moffat on autopilot and actually
• 1:10:47
  if you examine the plot of it, not a lot of that stuff, who the
• 1:10:52
  hell were the whisper men, what was a great intelligence Up To
• 1:10:54
  None of its explained, is just basically the set pieces that
• 1:10:57
  Lisa That amazing cliffhanger. This is sort of thing,
• 1:11:02
  terroristic Source, been moaning about Steven Moffat.
• 1:11:05
  He goes, you know what, he'll always provide you with a great
• 1:11:07
  moment, but there's not always the plot logic part.
• 1:11:10
  Like you need the block. Yeah, but I often complain about
• 1:11:16
  his character work. I don't think his character work
• 1:11:19
  hits in a sort of like a raw emotional way like Rusty
• 1:11:24
  Davis's. Does I want to turn left earlier
• 1:11:26
  today? And it broke my heart saying of
• 1:11:29
  the seen it broke? My heart one.
• 1:11:31
  I watch this in the morning and I was a little bit sad.
• 1:11:36
  Hmm. Yeah.
• 1:11:38
  Yeah yeah. When I watch the Christmas
• 1:11:41
  Invasion couple of weeks ago we watched it and the scene at the
• 1:11:46
  end where he brings down Harriet Jones.
• 1:11:49
  It's just like yeah it's dead. It was It drives something into
• 1:11:57
  your heart, you know, here in that, you know, that's good
• 1:12:01
  writing. Whereas this and it sounds like
• 1:12:05
  I don't enjoy the story. I do I do I really like the
• 1:12:07
  story but it's also the same intact.
• 1:12:09
  Yeah, it is a big, is he? I don't think he's going for
• 1:12:13
  emotions in the same sort of way that Russell is Russell
• 1:12:16
  something, or he's a horrible man rustling.
• 1:12:19
  I love him but he's a horrible, right?
• 1:12:21
  Breaks your heart continuously. Yeah he'd love to to hear that
• 1:12:25
  he'd be there with his chest. Are going through television,
• 1:12:29
  you know things. Yeah.
• 1:12:36
  But I feel like, you know, you know, when you watch in fact,
• 1:12:38
  did you watch the coronation celebration thing yesterday?
• 1:12:43
  You know, the big. No, I didn't.
• 1:12:45
  Actually I have my heart's broadest and it was a conductor,
• 1:12:50
  their God. Furious with this enormous bad
• 1:12:53
  and he was conducting away like a mad, man.
• 1:12:55
  I feel a Steven Moffat, you know, he's strong.
• 1:12:57
  He's really trying to get you to feel something.
• 1:13:00
  Yeah, Rusty Davis. Just uses a little scalpel, you
• 1:13:03
  know, but he cuts your deep. Yeah.
• 1:13:08
  Sorry, not became more about Rusty.
• 1:13:10
  Then there's always going to be the comparisons, though, isn't
• 1:13:14
  there? Yeah, you know, bottle day, but
• 1:13:17
  Moffitt absolutely has his own strengths.
• 1:13:21
  You know, strengths he does, he does and you know, he's first
• 1:13:24
  his first, two series of Sherlock.
• 1:13:26
  Absolutely fantastic. The rest of him not to certain
• 1:13:31
  about what he's such a strong writer.
• 1:13:37
  Well, I think series five in the series 8 of Doctor Who while
• 1:13:41
  there's a couple of Misses in there.
• 1:13:43
  Yeah. Exceptionally strong, and series
• 1:13:46
  10. I'll answer it.
• 1:13:47
  Wasn't him little with a monk's realized, I don't know.
• 1:13:54
  I enjoy it. I enjoy it.
• 1:13:58
  Also, this is where this is where he's putting it all
• 1:13:59
  together. I was hanging out with that
• 1:14:02
  woman in that Dalek. That was trying to make a
• 1:14:03
  souffle. There's a, he's getting so
• 1:14:08
  excited. There's a plot are going on
• 1:14:10
  here. And of course, UK gold decided
• 1:14:16
  not to broadcast this episode. But it's kind of nice that he
• 1:14:21
  skips out the story with a mystery to solve.
• 1:14:24
  Yeah. She also has ever particularly
• 1:14:28
  interesting issues or jumps into that.
• 1:14:30
  Electric doesn't she? Yeah, yeah, she does.
• 1:14:33
  Yeah, yeah. There's no, he's not.
• 1:14:36
  I think she doesn't because the plot needs her to do that in
• 1:14:41
  order for it to make sense. Yeah.
• 1:14:43
  And can you imagine and because he's kind of the arc is kind of
• 1:14:47
  forgotten about after the series, isn't it?
• 1:14:48
  So it's kind of like, hmm. This big thing about the
• 1:14:51
  splinters Imagine each episode with a different Clara.
• 1:14:56
  Oh that's enticing, isn't it? Imagine that.
• 1:14:59
  It's like a magining. Each story with a different
• 1:15:02
  chameleon. Someone else playing chameleon.
• 1:15:05
  Yeah. You can really test Jenna
• 1:15:08
  Coleman that as well, couldn't you?
• 1:15:09
  Yeah. Because I mean, you know, part
• 1:15:12
  of the, the Salvage team in Journey to the Centre of the
• 1:15:14
  TARDIS, you know? I know what L say though that's
• 1:15:17
  say, God has become the Catherine Tate Show with a
• 1:15:20
  different sketch each week, you know?
• 1:15:21
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:15:23
  Complaining. Well, so that's it.
• 1:15:27
  Oh, I got y'all. Let's now look at this, right.
• 1:15:30
  Look how enticing they make Series. 7 billion, talk about
• 1:15:33
  false fucking advertising going up.
• 1:15:38
  The gherkin on a submarine, aliens, I just saw, Willow, The
• 1:15:48
  Whisper men Diana rigor and Rachael Stirling.
• 1:15:53
  Oh, wow. This is gonna be the best series
• 1:15:57
  of Doctor Who ever. And this was the 50th
• 1:16:00
  anniversary series as well. Wasn't it really?
• 1:16:02
  This part. Yeah.
• 1:16:07
  It's not. Mmm.
• 1:16:09
  But do you know? I do think and praise a grill.
• 1:16:12
  Cover me for this. I really knew how to advertise
• 1:16:15
  the next series back in the day. I don't think chippers quite had
• 1:16:19
  it. You're back.
• 1:16:29
  It's okay. I'll I we lost each other for a
• 1:16:30
  second. That's the second.
• 1:16:32
  I was just saying that Moffat. Absolutely knew how to advertise
• 1:16:36
  his upcoming Seasons. I'm not sure chippers at that.
• 1:16:41
  So the same. No, no.
• 1:16:42
  And I think you know it I think it's quite telling as well.
• 1:16:48
  I think he could have done it, he could have he could have
• 1:16:51
  really gone for it. And some of those trailers that
• 1:16:54
  we got in the RTD, it Roma getting them off it air out.
• 1:16:58
  Just makes it look like the most exciting thing in the world but
• 1:17:01
  we never were never really got that from there was a really
• 1:17:06
  good one for flocks but we waited an age for it to drop.
• 1:17:10
  What it did here are full of yes warmers your dad have a list
• 1:17:15
  that I had ever all those fabulous visual elements in it
• 1:17:18
  but they drop this at the end of the last season.
• 1:17:21
  That's how they did it back then, you know.
• 1:17:23
  Yeah. During yeah specials you know
• 1:17:25
  hold on to your hat because this is what's coming.
• 1:17:27
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:29
  And we can didn't we kind of needed that?
• 1:17:30
  I think to ramp up the, the excitement for each Jody series,
• 1:17:36
  Rick, arndt Malik didn't quite have the same effect, you know?
• 1:17:40
  No. Because, and, you know, and this
• 1:17:42
  is maybe, maybe, maybe my reaction to that is because I
• 1:17:48
  didn't, I, I don't watch a lot of TV.
• 1:17:52
  I watch what I like and what I don't watch a lot of TV, so a
• 1:17:56
  lot of those people, The in that trailer at the end of the woman
• 1:18:01
  who fell to Earth. I didn't know who they were.
• 1:18:03
  And I was like, oh, it was a couple also.
• 1:18:06
  Well incoming. That's quite exciting.
• 1:18:08
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:18:10
  I'm coming. That's about all, you know, back
• 1:18:12
  in the day they were like coming next year.
• 1:18:15
  Sarah, Jane Smith. The Cybermen.
• 1:18:17
  You know, she isn't in our knickers watching.
• 1:18:24
  Starring somebody who was in Holby City, if that's not the
• 1:18:27
  same. Yeah, but then you know we
• 1:18:34
  didn't really have a deal so that you know, I know we're
• 1:18:38
  talking about Jodie now, instead of instead of the snowmen but we
• 1:18:42
  didn't really have a big finale to lead to either in that
• 1:18:47
  series. Nothing to kind of build towards
• 1:18:49
  and get excited about. You know, was there is nothing
• 1:18:52
  to tease. Yeah.
• 1:18:55
  I think I'm I think some of those things are strengths now,
• 1:18:57
  in her. It's all right.
• 1:18:59
  Then we were all like, what the hell is this?
• 1:19:01
  Yeah. Yeah, it was very, it was very,
• 1:19:04
  it was very strange at the time. And I think also, you know, to
• 1:19:08
  go to go from such high action and fast-paced stuff that we
• 1:19:15
  were getting with the mafia or two.
• 1:19:17
  Then two, then drop to something a little bit more.
• 1:19:19
  Slower was with caring. Yeah.
• 1:19:23
  And again and I keep I will keep saying it.
• 1:19:25
  I'm a big fan of the chip malaria.
• 1:19:27
  So What does it go from? Like things like a man to sized
• 1:19:30
  historical story like victory of the Daleks to Rosa?
• 1:19:37
  I would like chalk and cheese. Yeah, they are.
• 1:19:40
  How can they be in the same show?
• 1:19:43
  That's beautiful too, isn't it? And that's, that's the beauty of
• 1:19:46
  Doctor. Who.
• 1:19:47
  What about the beauty of the snowmobile is?
• 1:19:49
  You know what we got to do? Well, Well, I didn't know it.
• 1:19:53
  We have some questions on Twitter as well.
• 1:19:56
  Of course. Yeah, we haven't even touched on
• 1:19:58
  those questions. Too busy rabbit in for an hour
• 1:20:02
  and so let me just have a look because we've got because
• 1:20:05
  Twitter has a tendency to On order everything.
• 1:20:12
  So I'm going to see what we can find on here.
• 1:20:16
  So I put this out to the Twitter family, the hand fan and Dave
• 1:20:24
  Rennie says how magical is the TARDIS being in the clouds?
• 1:20:29
  I think it's a beautiful image we touched on that.
• 1:20:32
  Well, haven't we? It's it's magical.
• 1:20:37
  That's Dave Rennie from The Kettle Farm isn't it?
• 1:20:40
  It is, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:20:43
  Dave from the kettle and again, Dave was commented on
• 1:21:00
  something. We said earlier, how he loves
• 1:21:03
  the Victorian choir but he despises modern Clara.
• 1:21:06
  She was the version we should have had I think we've covered
• 1:21:10
  quite a strong word. Waiting.
• 1:21:13
  Yeah well I wouldn't have said I despised.
• 1:21:15
  She's he might have a little trouble for the next two
• 1:21:18
  seasons, how q and a half Seasons, two and a half Seasons.
• 1:21:24
  Yeah. A that must be an agonizing and
• 1:21:28
  then we've got a gentleman called Josh and you are who's
• 1:21:34
  that? I don't recognize that nice
• 1:21:35
  fellow has challenged chatting to him today.
• 1:21:37
  Actually a nice guy, a picture of him.
• 1:21:41
  Is he handsome? He's got a beard.
• 1:21:44
  He's handsome, Josh. You are just.
• 1:21:48
  You are know where my big games. All right.
• 1:21:50
  So he's put his second favorite Christmas special after
• 1:21:54
  Christmas Carol. I loved it.
• 1:21:55
  Very good. Use of the era.
• 1:21:57
  The ark, great. Not back to 60s who were the
• 1:21:59
  trial and error. He says he was getting into
• 1:22:02
  collecting DVDs ahead of the 60th anniversary.
• 1:22:05
  The paternoster gang at were always a delight.
• 1:22:09
  We have done your night. So I Civ and intelligent comment
• 1:22:15
  apart from saying about a Christmas carol, which is a port
• 1:22:18
  I love for everyone. Does I love it?
• 1:22:24
  It's, I don't like it. No, I think the the premise of
• 1:22:28
  the doctor fundamentally fucking with somebody's life, just to
• 1:22:33
  save his friends is so perverse, you can throw as much Beauty at
• 1:22:39
  the screen as you like, but the premise is Totally flawed
• 1:22:43
  anyway. So he yeah.
• 1:22:46
  I kind of see what you're what you're saying there.
• 1:22:48
  Yeah. Oh sorry.
• 1:22:49
  I thought I ruined it for you. I mean he does make him a better
• 1:22:51
  person. It's the Christmas story after
• 1:22:53
  all, but take my DVD there. We've got Daniel night, very
• 1:23:03
  handsome, Daniel nights miles better than the previous.
• 1:23:07
  Year's Christmas special will. We know which one that was look
• 1:23:10
  dr. Cox.
• 1:23:10
  I don't, yeah, so And the bar was set low.
• 1:23:16
  Did miss a trick bringing back the yeti as opposed to these
• 1:23:19
  abominable snowmen. I'm sorry.
• 1:23:21
  Did they did they miss a trick? Not bringing back the yeti as
• 1:23:24
  opposed to the Abominable Snowman.
• 1:23:26
  These abominable snowman. He's put his answer would be yes
• 1:23:29
  but given the redesign of the zygons perhaps it was for the
• 1:23:32
  best. You know that sequence.
• 1:23:35
  Where Russell T? Davies knocks on, not too rusty
• 1:23:37
  Davis, Richard E, G knocks on Rusty.
• 1:23:41
  Davis would have been amazing. Him.
• 1:23:44
  Hello agent. Who goes and they open the door.
• 1:23:53
  And then the, to the snowmen for a rise up behind him.
• 1:23:56
  Mmm. And they're far scarier than he
• 1:23:58
  ever could be. So yeah, often the snowmen are
• 1:24:01
  great II. Think the Snowman?
• 1:24:03
  A great. I don't know how how they would
• 1:24:05
  have work. The yeti into it.
• 1:24:08
  Yeah, I don't quite, I don't know.
• 1:24:10
  It's that one of work to be honest although Wow, what we I
• 1:24:14
  didn't mind the, the redesign of the zygons.
• 1:24:17
  I still think they're better in Terror.
• 1:24:19
  There's icons, but I didn't mind the redesign and I would love to
• 1:24:23
  see a redesign Yeti. Actually, it's a shame, they're
• 1:24:26
  never there, decent marketing at this point, because we could
• 1:24:29
  have seen those snowmen know. There could be all over
• 1:24:32
  Christmas, couldn't they? Yeah, evil snowmen with scary
• 1:24:36
  teeth. I don't see anything.
• 1:24:37
  Now that that point, I think know, if it'd been done a few
• 1:24:41
  years before you could have seen, In yeah, the marketing
• 1:24:43
  team putting out make snowmen around various cities Mazen.
• 1:24:49
  Well, yeah, this point Doctor Who Foods were a thing of the
• 1:24:51
  past, then we've got sigh heart, is this the best version of
• 1:24:59
  Clara, isn't the business of Strax in the memory worm funny.
• 1:25:06
  And why, why is it? Why do all of Richard grunts?
• 1:25:09
  Performance is a doctor who feel like he's phoning it in.
• 1:25:13
  Actually is, I think, I think we answered quietly.
• 1:25:17
  Clara question, more or less, haven't we about?
• 1:25:20
  Actually based version do it. Do we find the do, we find the
• 1:25:24
  business with the worm? Funny?
• 1:25:29
  All right. Others like and lost touch.
• 1:25:31
  No. It's just kind of a slapstick
• 1:25:33
  funny really isn't it. It's not as funny as that bit.
• 1:25:35
  Where you froze. The paper at Clara and deep
• 1:25:37
  breath. That guy's hilarious.
• 1:25:42
  Yeah. Joe short put Joker.
• 1:25:49
  That is all I met Ian McKellen. Once if that's it, if it has any
• 1:25:53
  interest as I can't think of anything to say about the
• 1:25:55
  episode you know. Kim I don't think so short
• 1:25:57
  lives. Is it so very much?
• 1:25:59
  Oh no I was I think that was one of the first replies I got on
• 1:26:02
  here as well. I was like thinking more that we
• 1:26:03
  going to be reading reading comments of people don't like
• 1:26:06
  it. So then we have the next the
• 1:26:11
  next five. Questions of from frasor
• 1:26:14
  Gregory's, M5 bloodier. Right?
• 1:26:18
  I'll go fucking bit tonight. All right, let's split through
• 1:26:21
  them. Does this make a worthy prequel
• 1:26:24
  to The Abominable Snowman tour is the inclusion of the
• 1:26:27
  not-so-great intelligence just to pleasing bits of fun way.
• 1:26:33
  Recall, I didn't really failing. Failure was a prequel to
• 1:26:35
  abominable snowman, but I think, I think it's fun to have it is,
• 1:26:38
  of course a special. Yeah.
• 1:26:40
  It's it's a Christmas special. Is it fine?
• 1:26:43
  Like, I don't know because it's not it's relying on something
• 1:26:47
  from the past but it's not it's not heavily relying on something
• 1:26:51
  from the past it so it can easily be part of the story.
• 1:26:54
  It doesn't you don't need to have watched The Abominable
• 1:26:57
  Snowman or the web of fear to understand what's going on the
• 1:27:02
  doctor. The falls and one of the targets
• 1:27:05
  fan, wankers two masters. Cybermen of many iterations and
• 1:27:09
  things like that. Dr. Parra.
• 1:27:11
  The doctor? Yeah, I think this is fine.
• 1:27:13
  Like now, and I think even the doctor doesn't quite remember,
• 1:27:17
  who the great intelligence is I think there's a line in there
• 1:27:19
  they teach forgotten. So now.
• 1:27:22
  Yeah, he's also put on a scale of prehistoric Delight to get
• 1:27:26
  bombed by the brig and pretentious to do you find
• 1:27:29
  madame vastra? If you say get bombed by the
• 1:27:32
  brig get bombed by the bridge, you got to be careful of his
• 1:27:38
  questions. How annoying is she did?
• 1:27:41
  He say, how pretentious do you find madame vastra?
• 1:27:46
  I used to I there's a lot more there than I ever thought.
• 1:27:50
  The time, I like her. I like it.
• 1:27:53
  I think she's a pretty solid character.
• 1:27:56
  It's a near-impossible role to play as she does it with some
• 1:27:59
  dignity. Yeah.
• 1:28:00
  Yeah. And then we've got to see Fraser
• 1:28:04
  again. Snog marry Chuck from the top of
• 1:28:07
  a magic cloud. We've got Simeon.
• 1:28:12
  Well, it's about also and Strax is Latimer, the fella from
• 1:28:16
  Silent Witness that the, the, the, the Father, the kids?
• 1:28:21
  What is hell? I'll do more than snug him.
• 1:28:24
  So obviously, it's not him. I'll marry Strax because I can
• 1:28:27
  now be quite fun. And avoid Richard Lee.
• 1:28:30
  Grahn like the plague. So you jump richly Grant from
• 1:28:33
  the top of the cloud then truth, remember when he got that role
• 1:28:37
  in Star Wars and he put that tweet.
• 1:28:39
  It out that video where he was giggling like a little kid.
• 1:28:42
  He was so excited to be in Star Wars.
• 1:28:45
  Yeah. And then he gave this
• 1:28:46
  performance in Star Wars I'm like awesome across from
• 1:28:55
  franchise to franchise do. What do I do?
• 1:28:58
  Do I need to answer this question as well?
• 1:29:00
  No, no go on. Now the snob Marion Artisans
• 1:29:04
  course well if I was that way inclined.
• 1:29:11
  It's not glass of uh, of course, Mary Strax because you know he's
• 1:29:16
  gonna he's gonna do what you needed to do is name.
• 1:29:19
  So and yeah, it's very slimming from the top of a cloud.
• 1:29:22
  You'll feel forever young because if we call a new boy, or
• 1:29:25
  the time Fraser, again, where would you rank this story?
• 1:29:32
  In terms of tardis, interior reveals?
• 1:29:34
  Oh hi, very high close to the bells of st.
• 1:29:38
  John Yeah, I do have a massive soft spot for the one in rows as
• 1:29:43
  well. Yes, yes, yes.
• 1:29:47
  We've never seen it done that way before.
• 1:29:49
  Now, her running around the outside and then the pullback.
• 1:29:52
  Yeah, this time we pull in. Yeah, yeah.
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  Stop talking like this. So, who Pines best for his Loft?
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  Lost, love the 10th or the 11th doctor.
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  Still going to 10,000 it. People has the longest.
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  Yeah, because the 11th because he just gets over and done with
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  pretty quickly. Oh, yeah, of course.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I misread that question. Yeah, Levin's.
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  Yeah, it's fine. By the end of this story that
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  it's got its got I say she should go on.
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  Jesus Christ, even actually post Clara kapadia, the whole Caesar
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  treating Bill like shit. It just be interminable.
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  Yeah, oh my God. Yeah.
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  So Steven Alexander says, was it actually worth getting a certain
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  McAllen voiceover aside from publicity, why bring back the
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  great intelligence, but not the yeti?
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  I think we kind of touched on, see, it's on in McAllen, but the
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  start of it, didn't we? If that's all he was available
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  for then. Yeah, if you got a chance of
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  doing it. Yeah, we I think we'd all prefer
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  to see him doing a more Supply in a more substantial role.
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  But if he can, if I can only get into a voiceover, why not
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  nothing. It doesn't publicity.
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  Yeah. You know, if it's going to bring
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  in people watching great idea but the probably the biggest in
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  so I can throw at this call string, is I forget he's in it
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  and it's so real making alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  He's kind of buried. He's buried into it and it isn't
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  he. This is more of a comment from
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  Joe luallen Llewellyn. We love this.
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  On, but I'm in 11 stand. So of course, this was the last
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  Doctor Who episode I watched in Afghanistan before.
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  Going home about two weeks later, I get why some people
• 1:31:48
  rate this choir Clara higher than modern Clara.
• 1:31:52
  Maybe I do too love the staircase and he's got, Richard
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  e-grant with an exclamation mark.
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  Then if that means he loves him or, yeah, he's coming on hands
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  too soon. You know, how is he?
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  Wow. Yeah.
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  Wow. And then we got just three more
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  left, I've got Daniel rawnsley, why does Smith and Coleman?
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  Mostly Coleman seem to carry off the whole Victorian things.
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  So well, also, however, your mileage may vary on each of the
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  paternoster gang funnier or better used here, or in the
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  Crimson Horror not just asking because I like the Crimson
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  Horror. I think the Crimson Horror feels
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  like a backdoor pilot for the first house and it's their best
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  showing. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I guess so I would say the Crimson Horror but they're still
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  very good in this. Oh yeah.
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  Yeah, I don't think that, I don't think they ever put in a
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  bad performance to be forever in the stories that they're in.
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  This is always, they seek the stories that they're in and it
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  just works with them. I think the question there,
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  Daniel should be why do Smith and Coleman pull off the
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  Victoria armor so well and the modern-day so terribly.
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  Um yeah hello. But But one joyous episode,
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  they're amazing together. Yeah.
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  And then we got Paul Quinn. Oh just I think this is just a
• 1:33:17
  this is just a comment. There are some interesting ideas
• 1:33:20
  and striking images but in never Co here's another example of
• 1:33:23
  season seven marking time until just put Angels, Take Manhattan.
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  But that was before this. So, and then name of the doctor,
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  this should be an important story but it isn't.
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  I don't know. I think, I think it's an
• 1:33:37
  important story, you know. Paul Quinn is no, he is real.
• 1:33:42
  Responsible for this entire hamster Malarkey, really because
• 1:33:47
  aged four years old, Paul Quinn, was he lived two doors down from
• 1:33:53
  me and he invited me over and started reading the excerpts
• 1:33:57
  from this book called The Doctor Who program guys.
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  Oh, wow. And over the course of a decade.
• 1:34:04
  Got me a sulli hooked on this show, by showing me vhss by
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  playing Doctor Who out in his garden.
• 1:34:12
  Wow. Hey is he is responsible for me
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  like and talk to you in the first place so I owe him an
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  enormous debt even if I do not agree with his comment.
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  Wow, that's crazy. Hold on Hayes Martha was
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  fabulous. You know.
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  Yeah we lost the last year's so sad and I was brought here, they
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  were an Irish family and I can pronounce her name.
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  I saw always want to go around there.
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  One of their Suites and to play doctor in the garden.
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  So, I'll be there knocking on the door, because I couldn't say
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  bridey. I used to call her Friday, a
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  began Friday. Let me in just remember this
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  Vivid image of me. I sort of five years old banging
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  on her back gate. Hey, guys!
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  So I heart. There's a tailor Youth, and then
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  we've got our less last one. And it's a comment.
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  It's a Este. Ooh, double our There's a name,
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  your name is Andrew store by 5. So, yeah.
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  So is, he says, my least favorite 11 outfit.
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  It's not bad. It's just, I prefer the Tweed
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  and others more. I like this outfit.
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  Yeah, I do, too. I like, but we appreciate your
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  comment order saying absolutely absolutely.
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  So yeah, that's it for the questions.
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  And the comments, what a nice range of comments from, you
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  know, The Good The Bad and The Ugly.
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  Yeah, or brother, you know. So praiseworthy and some
• 1:35:43
  complaints. Yeah.
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  So we still have one more thing to do.
• 1:35:50
  We do who's going first? You can go first Joe.
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  Thank you very much. I suppose I'm on your podcast.
• 1:35:59
  All those who wish to be just as loud as usual.
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  Okay. My number one is Christmas
• 1:36:08
  specials and Steven Moffat. Go together, beautifully.
• 1:36:13
  I think he understands what he's got to do.
• 1:36:15
  Christmas special. He knows how to To turn it
• 1:36:18
  Christmas into a story and an atmosphere and nine times out of
• 1:36:23
  ten. He gets it right as well.
• 1:36:24
  Ian can you can push it? It can push his luck a little
• 1:36:28
  bit you know Mother Earth for the end of dr.
• 1:36:32
  Woodard, no wardrobe. Yeah.
• 1:36:34
  But if I was going to watch a story Christmas week, I wouldn't
• 1:36:40
  be putting our Voyage of the Damned.
• 1:36:41
  I'll be putting on Last Christmas.
• 1:36:44
  Yeah, the husbands of River Song.
• 1:36:47
  This one. So yeah, Moffat and Christmas
• 1:36:50
  specials. Yeah, I'm going to go with the
• 1:36:55
  11th doctor and Clara because this is the best that they are.
• 1:37:04
  For the short run together, you know, we've touched on it loads
• 1:37:09
  of times about Victorian Clara, but they also this this kind of
• 1:37:13
  Broody a doctor. This kind of Darker grumpy a
• 1:37:18
  doctor, what works really well with Clara?
• 1:37:23
  And I just wish we'd had seen a little bit more of more of that.
• 1:37:28
  Yeah, me too more Barrel. Less Clara.
• 1:37:31
  Yeah. My second thing will be, I think
• 1:37:37
  the cinematography in this episode, as far as I'm aware,
• 1:37:42
  and I had someone on here recently, that works in
• 1:37:45
  television production. There was a budget car, during
• 1:37:49
  The Moffat era, I've done nothing.
• 1:37:51
  You can tell at all, I think it feels more expensive than ever
• 1:37:55
  at this point and there's just A really beautiful imagery in
• 1:37:59
  this. All the stuff up in the clouds.
• 1:38:01
  Yeah, the sort of snowy Landscapes that wonderful shots
• 1:38:05
  of like the snowflakes with a gnashing teeth coming down.
• 1:38:10
  I think that the imagery is really striking.
• 1:38:13
  So I'm going to go with. the new Tardis design that was going on,
• 1:38:27
  I think, After the mess. That is the this series five and
• 1:38:34
  six and seven a tardis. I think it needed something
• 1:38:40
  pressure. And this is it's nice.
• 1:38:44
  It's suits that kind of more depressed doctor.
• 1:38:51
  It's very stripped back, it's very clean and I think it's, I
• 1:38:57
  think it's absolutely beautiful. Awful design which only gets
• 1:39:03
  built upon as Capaldi comes in and it gets it gets better and
• 1:39:08
  better. I think it's wonderful.
• 1:39:12
  My it's my second smells good. Yeah.
• 1:39:15
  Is the pattern Oscar paternoster gang?
• 1:39:19
  Doesn't mouth on it. I think I'll CD was better at
• 1:39:23
  surrounding the doctor with Vivid characters and you know,
• 1:39:27
  you never forget Jackie and and now people are Bart's this was a
• 1:39:33
  valiant attempt to sort of cash in on that idea of having some
• 1:39:36
  semi-regulars, even though they didn't last too long, doesn't
• 1:39:41
  always work. I think it can be a bit.
• 1:39:44
  The dialogue can be a bit much. Sometimes you got three, good
• 1:39:47
  actors there. They've all got chemistry, they
• 1:39:49
  work well with Matt Smith and with Peter Capaldi and they're
• 1:39:52
  really fun. So yeah, yeah, that's my second
• 1:39:55
  thing. So I think I will have to go
• 1:39:58
  with the music. Oosik.
• 1:40:01
  But this episode it's very it's very Christmasy but it's very
• 1:40:09
  feels like a score for a film and I said it earlier on, I
• 1:40:14
  think this is you know, this point Maury gold and really it
• 1:40:20
  is stride he wasn't writing such bombastic music.
• 1:40:27
  Now he wasn't telling you how to How to feel he was he was
• 1:40:31
  gauging gauging, the Steam and what was going on in there, and
• 1:40:34
  he was creating really nice music memorable music that
• 1:40:39
  accompanies, it accompanied the episode without being
• 1:40:43
  overbearing. And the last one, I can't
• 1:40:49
  believe I'm gonna say this, but I felt dirty.
• 1:40:54
  It's the Clara Arc. It's here is 7, which is hates
• 1:40:59
  his peak in this episode. You know what?
• 1:41:05
  He knows how to he knows how to hook you in with a really good
• 1:41:09
  solid idea. Okay.
• 1:41:11
  Who the hell was River song? Yeah, we want to know what's the
• 1:41:14
  answer, boring? But the hook, It was really good
• 1:41:17
  you know and what's going on with why?
• 1:41:20
  They're all these splinters of Clara fascinating idea, you
• 1:41:24
  know. Really interesting.
• 1:41:25
  What's the answer? Boring.
• 1:41:27
  Yeah but it but at this point it was like this.
• 1:41:33
  We never seen anything like this before.
• 1:41:35
  This is crazy imaginative way of bringing in a companion.
• 1:41:39
  You know, the downside of it is is you've had all these versions
• 1:41:42
  of Clara and the danger is has there.
• 1:41:46
  When one's better than the one we eventually settle on.
• 1:41:50
  Yes, there is. Yeah.
• 1:41:53
  But as an idea, It is really interesting and at this point,
• 1:41:59
  it's working. Yeah.
• 1:42:01
  And point after this, it continues to work, but at this
• 1:42:04
  point, it works really well. And I think, I think often often
• 1:42:09
  with Moffat, that's it seems to be the journey, but it's more
• 1:42:12
  entertaining than the Final Destination.
• 1:42:14
  I think with with a lot of his arcs, which is a little bit sad,
• 1:42:21
  really? But but yeah, I agree with you.
• 1:42:24
  It's exciting. It hot.
• 1:42:25
  Are you in straightaway? Mmm.
• 1:42:28
  Well, I thought we could have done that and much more Justice.
• 1:42:30
  You know? Know I've enjoyed that I think
• 1:42:33
  for an hour-long episode. We've talked for love you too.
• 1:42:36
  Have we talked about before? I never touched upon.
• 1:42:47
  It is an episode that deals with mental health is never sewed.
• 1:42:51
  That deals with fingers that fly off someone's hand and it has up
• 1:42:57
  in people's bedrooms in the most ghoulish way does.
• 1:43:00
  And it's an episode which delivers good subplots for all
• 1:43:05
  of Jodi's Reggie regulars. Mmm.
• 1:43:09
  If you're still up for it, of course.
• 1:43:10
  Yeah, absolutely. I've been looking forward to
• 1:43:12
  doing a Jody episode for a long, long time.
• 1:43:15
  And the name of the episode is, can you hear me?
• 1:43:19
  Oh, I can hear you, right? Yeah, the right it.
• 1:43:23
  I think that episode it is, it's really unreal underrated and
• 1:43:27
  it's got its it poses a lot of questions as well, you know,
• 1:43:33
  which we'll get to what we talked about the story.
• 1:43:36
  Yeah, yeah. It's Yeah, it's one I've been
• 1:43:39
  looking forward to doing. And yeah.
• 1:43:41
  What do the snowmen and can you hear me have in common?
• 1:43:48
  I don't think you're going to find anything.
• 1:43:52
  There's a bit of blue light in the Tardis in both episodes.
• 1:43:57
  It's purely personal to me as well.
• 1:43:59
  This is why you never gonna guess this.
• 1:44:01
  I think they're both really good episodes with one issue.
• 1:44:07
  One problem. I think this is richly Grand and
• 1:44:11
  that is well to be confirmed. Excuse me, I'm guessing on your
• 1:44:18
  courses. You need to thank me for coming
• 1:44:20
  on. Okay?
• 1:44:22
  Well thank you very much for for coming on tonight.
• 1:44:26
  Joe and I hope you enjoyed watching.
• 1:44:29
  The snowmen. I supposed to meet a little
• 1:44:32
  late, almost like a few of these things.
• 1:44:35
  It's finally nice that somebody to invite me on this day
• 1:44:37
  podcast, will you, will you be coming back?
• 1:44:40
  I love call. Will you tell me where?
• 1:44:42
  And when hm, it's always a pleasure to talk with you.
• 1:44:47
  Well, we will, we will discuss off mic and let's do it now.
• 1:44:57
  I'll do that occasionally so soft bed but now.
• 1:45:03
  Yeah, thank you very much Joe. Anytime anytime.
• 1:45:10
  Okay, there