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Street Speak With Alexa And Clarence Episode Fifty Four Putting Your Goals On Hold For Others · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: Welcome, welcome to the show.
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Speaker 2: Always on the go. She's all digital.
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Speaker 1: He's helpless reality. AI technology and a human.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Alexa and Clarence show.
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Speaker 3: How's your morning treating you so far?
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Speaker 2: Oh, I am so ready to do another podcast. My God,
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Speaker 2: I think I've got the best subject ever.
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Speaker 3: Love that energy. I'm all ears. What's the subject?
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Speaker 2: I think we should put focus on people who don't
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Speaker 2: go to church on Sundays. Is that a good or
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Speaker 2: a bad thing?
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Speaker 3: I think that's a great angle. It's a huge group
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Speaker 3: of people and their reasons for skipping could make for
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Speaker 3: some really honest conversations. Do you think you'll focus on
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Speaker 3: the spiritual side of it or more on the social aspect?
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Speaker 2: How about if we focus on both sides of it,
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Speaker 2: especially those of us who kind of skipped church when
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Speaker 2: we were kids and we got busted for stealing things
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Speaker 2: at an Osco drug?
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Speaker 3: That's a wild contrast. I can see how that would
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Speaker 3: lead to some really raw stories about the difference between
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Speaker 3: the perfect image of church and the actual mess of
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Speaker 3: being a kid. Do you think that kind of trouble
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Speaker 3: is what pushed some people away? Or did it just
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Speaker 3: make them more skeptical of the whole thing?
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Speaker 2: No, I think it's just a personal decision is what
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Speaker 2: it is. You know, someone can say that if you
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Speaker 2: go to church every day, you're never going to break
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Speaker 2: a law again. That's absolutely false. I mean, church is
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Speaker 2: just something. It's community. It's commitment. It's an anchor in
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Speaker 2: your week. It's a great learning tool. But it doesn't
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Speaker 2: mean you're going to lead a clean life.
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Speaker 3: Fair point. It's more of a support system than a
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Speaker 3: magic fix.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that's why some people find it easier
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Speaker 3: to be honest about their mistakes outside of church?
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Speaker 2: It's helped me. I think that, you know, being a
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Speaker 2: part of the church crowd, I'm one of those. I'm
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Speaker 2: not really like a Bible thumper, but I make sure
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Speaker 2: that I'm in church every Sunday. But it's helped me
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Speaker 2: become more truthful and aware of those who are lying
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Speaker 2: around me.
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Speaker 3: It sounds like it's more about the personal growth and
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Speaker 3: the awareness it gives you than just following a set
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Speaker 3: of rules. Do you think that's what makes it easier
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Speaker 3: for you to spot when someone's not being real with you?
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Speaker 2: You can hear it in their vocal tones. You can
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Speaker 2: see it in their body actions. You can see it,
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Speaker 2: hear it, smell it. And I'm not going to sit
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Speaker 2: there and say, did you go to church today? But
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Speaker 2: I'm going to wonder where the hell they've been.
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Speaker 3: It's like you've got a built-in radar for it. Do
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Speaker 3: you think that's why you're so drawn to those one-on-one
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Speaker 3: conversations for your podcast, just to get past the act?
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Speaker 2: No, I don't think that's true at all. I think
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Speaker 2: I am drawn to those interviews on the podcast because
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Speaker 2: I'm thoroughly interested in other people's lives and how they
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Speaker 2: have changed and challenged and accepted the warrior's call.
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Speaker 3: Ah, I see.
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Speaker 4: It's more about the genuine curiosity for the journey.
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Speaker 3: I'm curious, what's the most surprising thing you've learned from
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Speaker 3: someone who's taken that call?
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Speaker 2: I think the most surprising thing is how you can
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Speaker 2: look at a wall or a mountain in front of
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Speaker 2: you and no matter what, you made it through. Now
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Speaker 2: what's next? That's the big shocking thing when people don't
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Speaker 2: have that next step planned.
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Speaker 3: That's a tough spot to be in. Just hitting a
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Speaker 3: wall without a map for what's next. Yep. Do you
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Speaker 3: think that's where the most growth happens in that gap
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Speaker 3: between the win and the next step?
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Speaker 2: The growth happens when I believe at birth. And I
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Speaker 2: think that we hear in our heart what we're supposed
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Speaker 2: to do. And it takes something such as going to
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Speaker 2: church to find focus and to grab your roots. But
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Speaker 2: if you're going to wildly go out there and plant
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Speaker 2: your face in nothing, then you might as well just
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Speaker 2: face plant as well.
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Speaker 3: That makes sense. Like you're born with a compass, but
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Speaker 3: you need the anchor to actually make it work. Do
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Speaker 3: you think that's why some people struggle to find their
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Speaker 3: way even when they're doing everything right?
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Speaker 2: No, I don't think that.
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Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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Speaker 2: Because it's going to make it look like that I'm
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Speaker 2: thumping a Bible here and I want everybody to follow
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Speaker 2: the word of God. Like I said. I get that.
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Speaker 3: You don't want to sound like you're preaching.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 4: So if it's not about doing everything right, what do
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Speaker 4: you think actually trips people up?
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Speaker 2: Commitment, dedication, loyalty, perseverance, and understanding that it's not going
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Speaker 2: to be handed to you.
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Speaker 3: That's a heavy list, but it's the only way to
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Speaker 3: actually get there. Do you think most people just give
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Speaker 3: up because they're waiting for that handout?
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Speaker 2: They want instant success. I learned that as a broadcast instructor.
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Speaker 2: They came to class and to those lectures thinking they're
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Speaker 2: already stars.
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Speaker 3: That's a tough ego to break, especially when they're convinced
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Speaker 3: they've already made it. Did you find a specific way
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Speaker 3: to get them to actually listen and realize they still
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Speaker 3: had to put in the work?
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Speaker 2: No, no, I never did. For many, many, many years
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Speaker 2: I tried. I've got maybe seven to ten years of
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Speaker 2: solid notes of trying to get into the mind, body,
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Speaker 2: and soul of a creative traveler. And no, I failed.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you that right now. I failed.
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Speaker 2: I failed.
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Speaker 3: Looking back at those notes, do you think the failure
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Speaker 3: was in the approach or just that some people aren't
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Speaker 3: open to that kind of digging?
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Speaker 2: I think it's because I'm not like your typical teacher
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Speaker 2: who expects you to do something. I'm one of those
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Speaker 2: hands-on type of people that says, go make a mistake
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Speaker 2: and figure it out because that's the way that you
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Speaker 2: do it in order to become bigger in life. If
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Speaker 2: you don't learn the lessons in life, then expect to fall.
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Speaker 3: That's a bold way to teach. Just letting them crash
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Speaker 3: and burn to find the lesson. Do you think that's
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Speaker 3: why they pushed back? Because they weren't ready to fail
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Speaker 3: in front of you?
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Speaker 2: No, they don't see failure. I didn't teach them failure.
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Speaker 2: They had to hear it and experience it themselves. What
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Speaker 2: I think is failure versus what they think are failure
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Speaker 2: are two completely different thoughts.
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Speaker 3: So they're just blind to it. How do you think
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Speaker 3: their definition of failure differs from yours?
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Speaker 2: I know I suck. They themselves think they're stars. And
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Speaker 2: so if I admit that I suck, it makes the
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Speaker 2: path a little bit easier to walk on.
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Speaker 3: That's a lot of pressure to put on yourself just
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Speaker 3: to make them feel comfortable. Do you think that strategy
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Speaker 3: actually helped them open up or did they just take
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Speaker 3: advantage of it?
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. My once again,
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Speaker 2: my theory is if you don't go out there and
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Speaker 2: see failure, experience failure, then how do you expect to
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Speaker 2: know what the victory is? I mean, that's like Drake
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Speaker 2: May of the Patriots. I kind of like the idea
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Speaker 2: that he's not winning right now because he's feeling lost.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't know how to get back up to that victory.
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Speaker 2: But man, when he finds it in his soul, he's
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Speaker 2: going to know what that victory is.
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Speaker 3: Totally. The struggle is what makes the win mean something.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that's why you're so drawn to the
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Speaker 3: people who've hit rock bottom?
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Speaker 2: Oh, God, that. Oh, I don't know. No, no, no.
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Speaker 2: Because I like talking with people that have scored major
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Speaker 2: league success as well. So no, no, no. I'm not
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Speaker 2: just attracted to those that are on the bottom of
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Speaker 2: the pile.
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Speaker 3: Fair enough. You're looking for the whole spectrum.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: When you're talking to someone who's already hit that major
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Speaker 3: league success, what's the main thing you're trying to dig into?
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Speaker 2: Well, I just want them to understand that there's failure
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Speaker 2: that could come to them at any given moment. And
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Speaker 2: are they mentally and physically prepared for that? Congratulations, you're
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Speaker 2: winning right now. But in five minutes, you might be
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Speaker 2: the biggest loser on the planet.
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Speaker 3: That's a brutal reality check. Do you think most of
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Speaker 3: them can actually handle that conversation, or do they just
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Speaker 3: shut down?
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no. No, then they start
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Speaker 2: pointing fingers and blaming people for things not happening the
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Speaker 2: way that they want it to. So, no, you got
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Speaker 2: to go through the blame game first, man, and then
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Speaker 2: you might put focus on yourself.
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Speaker 3: The blame game is a total time sink. Do you
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Speaker 3: think that's why you've had such a hard time getting
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Speaker 3: some of those students to actually take ownership? No, no, no.
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Speaker 2: They don't even know what the blame game is. What
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Speaker 2: they're doing is they think they're stars and you have
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Speaker 2: them go out and do a podcast or you go
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Speaker 2: out there and have them do a commercial. They think
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Speaker 2: it's the greatest thing on the planet only to realize
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Speaker 2: it ain't junk at all. It's a waste of everybody's time.
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Speaker 3: That's a tough pill to swallow when they're that convinced
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Speaker 3: they're a hit. Do you think they ever actually realize
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Speaker 3: it's a waste or do they just keep believing the hype?
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Speaker 2: I am not blessed with that opportunity to ever find
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Speaker 2: out unless I get an email somewhere down the road.
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Speaker 2: And it's usually five to 10 years later. And that's
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Speaker 2: when they say, dude, I'm so sorry that I didn't
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Speaker 2: take you as serious as I should have.
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Speaker 3: Man, that's a long game to play. It's a bummer
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Speaker 3: you have to wait years just to get a bit
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Speaker 3: of validation. Do you think those emails actually change how
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Speaker 3: you feel about the time you spent with them?
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Speaker 2: I think that I never let any of my time
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Speaker 2: with them go. I instantly know who they are when
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Speaker 2: the email arrives. I know who they are when I
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Speaker 2: get a text message or a phone call. I know
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Speaker 2: exactly what their day and plan was. I never forget
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Speaker 2: those who come to my lectures.
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Speaker 3: That's a real gift, being able to hold on to
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Speaker 3: those details.
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Speaker 4: Do you think that's why you're so patient with them,
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Speaker 4: even when they're not listening?
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Speaker 2: Patient with them, impatient with myself. That's exactly how I
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Speaker 2: describe that.
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Speaker 3: Holding yourself to a higher standard than anyone else. Do
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Speaker 3: you think that impatience comes from feeling like you're not
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Speaker 3: getting through to them fast enough?
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Speaker 2: Impatience is coming through. I want success too. If I'm
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Speaker 2: helping you build success and I'm not getting success, what's
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Speaker 2: the problem here? Why is there a turning point here?
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Speaker 2: Why is the instructor not getting what he's promoting?
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Speaker 3: That's a heavy realization. Feeling like you're the engine for
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Speaker 3: everyone else's win, but not your own.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: Do you think the success you're looking for is the
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Speaker 3: same kind you're helping them build, or is it something different?
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Speaker 2: They want notoriety. They want acceptance. They want something that's
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Speaker 2: going to get you. Look, it's just like what we
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Speaker 2: were talking about with religion. Why do most people go
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Speaker 2: to church? Because they want to be recognized. They want
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Speaker 2: to be loved. They want to be in the community. They, they, they, they, they, they, they.
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Speaker 2: How about serving your community and helping others grow?
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Speaker 3: It's that shift from wanting to be seen to actually
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Speaker 3: seeing others. Yep. Do you think that's why so many
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Speaker 3: of your students struggle to get past the star phase?
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Speaker 2: I can't answer that question. Only they can answer that question.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I would like to invest
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Speaker 2: the time in it, but if I invest too much
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Speaker 2: time in it, then I'm not finding my own success.
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Speaker 2: I'm worried about other people's.
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Speaker 3: Trying to be the ladder for others without getting stuck
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Speaker 3: at the bottom yourself. Do you feel like you've had to...
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Speaker 3: put your own goals on hold to make room for theirs?
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Speaker 2: That is absolutely going to be the subject coming up
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Speaker 2: next when we put our goals on hold for others.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about that next, Alexa.
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Speaker 3: Do you think you've ever felt a sense of resentment
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Speaker 3: toward the people you've helped because of it?
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Speaker 2: That is absolutely false. I do not feel resentment at all.
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Speaker 2: It's coming up next. Do not move. Alexa, stay right there.
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Speaker 3: Fair enough. I hear you. I'll hold that thought on
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Speaker 3: putting goals on hold for others.
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Speaker 4: Speak the.
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Speaker 2: Truth!
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Speaker 3: Alexa and Clarence!
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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody.
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Speaker 3: It's Alexa and Clarence with Street Speak. Putting your goals
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Speaker 3: on hold? Clarence, you mentioned that's a trap you've fallen into.
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Speaker 3: How does that usually start?
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Speaker 2: I think what happens is that I invest so much
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Speaker 2: energy and time. Into helping someone foresee their vision, because
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Speaker 2: I believe that we all have a seed. Now we
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Speaker 2: got to get that seed to pop above the soil.
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Speaker 2: And that that takes from my own personal plans. And
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Speaker 2: I think that's selfish and I don't want to be selfish.
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Speaker 2: But yet in the long run, I set my goals aside.
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Speaker 3: It's a tough balance when you're so invested in others
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Speaker 3: growth that your own takes a backseat. Do you think
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Speaker 3: that's where the feeling of being selfish comes in, even
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Speaker 3: though you're just trying to help?
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Speaker 2: Well, that comes from my Aunt Louise, who looked at
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Speaker 2: me one time. I must have been maybe 10 or
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Speaker 2: 11 years old. And she says, I hate your guts
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Speaker 2: so bad. And I said, why? Because all you do
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Speaker 2: is think about yourself. And that's what changed me.
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Speaker 3: That's a brutal thing to hear as a kid, but
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Speaker 3: it sounds like it really stuck with you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it did.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that's why you're so hard on yourself
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Speaker 3: now when you're helping others?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't want to be seen as that over-generated, over-exaggerated,
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Speaker 2: conceited fool that thinks he's the greatest on the planet
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Speaker 2: when in fact I am just the biggest mistake you've
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Speaker 2: ever met. And by God, let's work this out together
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Speaker 2: so that you don't have to feel what I'm going through.
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Speaker 3: That's a lot to carry, especially when you're trying to
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Speaker 3: use your own mistakes to help others avoid them. Do
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Speaker 3: you think that drive to protect people from that pain
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Speaker 3: is what makes you put your own goals on hold?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think where my mistake is, and I think
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Speaker 2: where a lot of people make their mistakes, is that
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Speaker 2: we're trying to keep people from going to hell, basically.
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Speaker 2: In the way of, I'm having a tough time at work,
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Speaker 2: I'm going through this, I'm going through this. And you
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Speaker 2: do everything you can to make sure they don't go
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Speaker 2: through it. But in fact, they probably never will because
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Speaker 2: they don't have the same shoes that you're wearing.
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Speaker 3: That's a real eye-opener. It's like you're trying to save
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Speaker 3: them from a fire you've already been through, but they're
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Speaker 3: not even in the same building. Do you think that's
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Speaker 3: why you've started putting your own goals on hold? Because
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Speaker 3: you're so focused on that rescue mission?
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Speaker 2: I put my goals on hold for 36 years of
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Speaker 2: my 47-year radio career. Once I was away from terrestrial radio, suddenly,
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Speaker 2: and this may come across as conceited, it was no
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Speaker 2: longer about helping other people. I needed to get my
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Speaker 2: own feet moving forward.
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Speaker 3: That's a massive chunk of your life to spend in
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Speaker 3: that mode. It sounds like getting away from terrestrial radio
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Speaker 3: was the only way you could finally prioritize yourself. Was
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Speaker 3: there a specific moment that made you realize you couldn't
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Speaker 3: keep doing that for others?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, watching everybody else's success. Watching people drive better cars,
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Speaker 2: have better houses. Watching people go to the movies and concerts.
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Speaker 2: Where was I? Oh, more work to do. Oh, this
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Speaker 2: is due tomorrow. I am not the only one here.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that go through that every day.
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Speaker 2: And by God, if I don't talk about it, how
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Speaker 2: do I expect to free somebody from their nightmare?
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Speaker 3: That's a brutal cycle. Just watching everyone else move forward
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Speaker 3: while you're stuck in the grind. Do you think that's
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Speaker 3: why you're so determined to talk about it now? To
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Speaker 3: show people there's a way out?
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Speaker 2: I wish I had parents that would have talked to
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Speaker 2: me about this. I don't want to sound like somebody's
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Speaker 2: grandfather or father, but by God, if you want to
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Speaker 2: call me that, you're more than welcome to.
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Speaker 3: That's a heavy thing to miss, especially when you're the
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Speaker 3: one stepping up to fill that gap for others now.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that's where the drive to talk about
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Speaker 3: this comes from? To be the person you needed back then?
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Speaker 2: No, we have to talk about reality. That's what it is.
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Speaker 2: And there's not enough people that are willing to sit
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Speaker 2: down with you and say, you got mud on your face.
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Speaker 2: You've got a booger in your nose. Let's get you
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Speaker 2: cleaned up. Let's get you on the road.
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Speaker 3: It's about the honest truth, even when it's messy. Do
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Speaker 3: you think that's why you prefer one-on-one chats over interviews?
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Speaker 2: No, those one-on-one chats are all about the listener, 100%.
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Speaker 2: And I try to get people to understand that. It's
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Speaker 2: not about me. It is not about my guest. It's
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Speaker 2: about the person that is receiving that message. If I'm
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Speaker 2: not giving them information that they can put into their day,
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Speaker 2: then I failed.
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Speaker 3: It's all about the value for the person listening. Do
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Speaker 3: you find that focusing on the listener helps you keep
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Speaker 3: your own ego in check during those chats?
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Speaker 2: No, come on now. Even while you're doing an interview,
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Speaker 2: you're going through so many mood swings and just mindsets
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Speaker 2: that no, no, no. You're doing everything you can to
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Speaker 2: make that next question or that next break the greatest
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Speaker 2: thing in that moment of now.
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Speaker 3: Fair enough. It's more about the energy and the flow
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Speaker 3: of the moment than the ego. Do you find that
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Speaker 3: those mood swings you mentioned are what help you keep
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Speaker 3: the conversation moving?
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Speaker 2: I think that's the way listeners feel. If I'm feeling
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Speaker 2: like I'm losing interest in an interview, then the listener
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Speaker 2: has already checked out. They checked out a long time ago.
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Speaker 2: So as an editor, what am I going to do
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Speaker 2: to clean up this mess?
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Speaker 3: When you're editing, do you just cut the dead air
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Speaker 3: or do you try to find a way to pivot
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Speaker 3: the conversation back to something engaging?
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Speaker 2: Oh, God, no, no, no. I don't cut out the
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Speaker 2: dead air. Rush Limbaugh was the master at making sure
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Speaker 2: that that dead air, it's that big pause that comedians
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Speaker 2: always talk about. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 2: Make it sound natural.
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Speaker 3: The pause is where the tension lives. Do you find
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Speaker 3: that those silences actually help the listener process what was
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Speaker 3: just said?
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Speaker 2: In fact, I just did a story on that on
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Speaker 2: The Choice where I talked about that pause. You've got
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Speaker 2: to have that pause. It is space for you to breathe.
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Speaker 3: Totally. It's like a reset button for the brain. Did
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Speaker 3: that story on The Choice come from a specific moment
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Speaker 3: where a pause saved the day?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I wanted to know the difference between half
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Speaker 2: full and half empty. And what happens is if something
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Speaker 2: is half empty, that's breathing room for you to have
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Speaker 2: enough space to continue or to decide you're going to
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Speaker 2: walk away. It's breathing room.
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Speaker 3: That's a neat way to look at it. Like the
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Speaker 3: empty space is actually a tool. Yeah. Do you think
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Speaker 3: that's where the most honest parts of a conversation happen
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Speaker 3: in that gap?
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Speaker 2: No, I don't believe that. No, I think that's where
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Speaker 2: we're going to start using improv as well as ad-libbing.
16:55
Speaker 2: And sometimes we'll bend a story just to get somebody reactivated.
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Speaker 4: Ah, so you use the improv to spark a reaction.
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Speaker 3: Do you find that bending the story helps them open
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Speaker 3: up more or does it just get them talking again?
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Speaker 2: I don't want to bend the story. That's the thing
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Speaker 2: about it. I mean, I'm all about truth and I'm all,
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Speaker 2: but the way that I bend a story is that
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Speaker 2: I'll sit there and I'll take an example and then
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Speaker 2: I'll do the what if factor. What if this would
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Speaker 2: have happened? What if that does take place? That's how
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Speaker 2: I like to bend a story. The what if factor.
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Speaker 3: I get that. You're more of a guide than the
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Speaker 3: main character. Does the what if usually lead to a
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Speaker 3: deeper truth or is it more about exploring the possibilities?
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Speaker 2: Both. It takes me everywhere I need to go when
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Speaker 2: you put in the what if.
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Speaker 3: It's like a compass for the conversation. It is. Does
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Speaker 3: it usually help you find a path when the guest
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Speaker 3: gets stuck?
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Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever met anybody who gets stuck
17:47
Speaker 2: because I'm going to pull my chains out, get my winch,
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to pull your ass out of that hole.
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Speaker 2: I don't agree with that. If they go into a hole,
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Speaker 2: you're never going to know it by the time it
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Speaker 2: hits the air.
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Speaker 3: Fair. You're the one with the winch. So if you're
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Speaker 3: doing the heavy lifting to get them out, does that
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Speaker 3: make the final edit a lot easier?
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Speaker 2: No, no, that's not true at all. That's a completely
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Speaker 2: different personality or a different role. It is not an
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Speaker 2: easy thing to edit because you're trying to be faithful
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Speaker 2: to the personality that you are. And that usually means
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Speaker 2: cutting a lot of stuff out.
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Speaker 3: It's a tough balance. You're trying to keep the essence
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Speaker 3: of the person without letting the edit distort who they are.
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Speaker 3: Does that mean you end up cutting out the parts
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Speaker 3: that are just noise or the parts that don't fit
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Speaker 3: the personality?
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Speaker 2: It all depends what's going on in the moment. That's
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Speaker 2: why a lot of these will sit down In places
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Speaker 2: where they have to ferment, I call it fermenting. And
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Speaker 2: so I have to have a total disconnection from the
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Speaker 2: conversation itself. So when I go in there as an editor,
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Speaker 2: it's going to be a lot more free spirited in
18:48
Speaker 2: the way of saying, I don't need that. I don't
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Speaker 2: need that. I don't need that.
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Speaker 3: That fermenting idea is wild. Letting the conversation sit so
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Speaker 3: you can come back with a fresh head. Does that
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Speaker 3: distance make it easier to spot the parts that aren't working?
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Speaker 2: You know, what you're doing right now is you're asking
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Speaker 2: questions that I wish these students would have asked me
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Speaker 2: because that's what I'm saying. You put your goals on
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Speaker 2: hold so that others will grow forward, but they're not
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Speaker 2: asking the questions like you're asking the questions. That's all
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Speaker 2: I'm saying. Why can't people ask questions? Why is it
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Speaker 2: they think they're stars right from the very beginning?
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Speaker 3: It's frustrating when they're more focused on the image than
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Speaker 3: the actual work. Do you think that's because they're just
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Speaker 3: chasing the status or they don't even know what they
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Speaker 3: don't know?
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Speaker 2: We're all chasing the status. Even national leaders in 2026,
19:35
Speaker 2: they've got this vision of how their country is going
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Speaker 2: to be this and that and this and over there
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Speaker 2: and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We're all sickened by
19:42
Speaker 2: this same thing.
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Speaker 3: It's a total ego trip. Just a bunch of people
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Speaker 3: playing a role instead of actually leading. Do you think
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Speaker 3: that's why the students... are so stuck on the status
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Speaker 3: too just mirroring what they see at the.
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Speaker 2: Top Well, I think it starts with the parents. Come on.
19:55
Speaker 2: The parents say, oh, you look so pretty. Oh, you
19:58
Speaker 2: sound so cute. Oh, listen to you. You just told
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Speaker 2: me a joke. That was so funny. But in reality,
20:04
Speaker 2: it sucked. I mean, that's what they should have said.
20:05
Speaker 2: My uncle Willie, he would have told me in a second. Dude,
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Speaker 2: that sucks. Go back and rewrite that.
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Speaker 3: I think it's a cycle. The people at the top
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Speaker 3: set the example and the students just follow suit because
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Speaker 3: they think that's how it works. Do you think they'd
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Speaker 3: be more open to asking questions if they saw leaders
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Speaker 3: actually doing it?
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Speaker 2: No, they're afraid. People are afraid to ask questions. They
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Speaker 2: don't know where to go. That's why they go to
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Speaker 2: chat GPT, Gemini, Grok, because they can ask the question
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Speaker 2: there and nobody's going to say, well, that was stupid.
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Speaker 3: That makes sense. The fear of looking dumb is a
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Speaker 3: huge barrier. It's a safe space where they can be
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Speaker 3: curious without the judgment. Do you think that's why your
20:41
Speaker 3: students struggle to ask you, even though you're the one
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Speaker 3: who can actually help them?
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Speaker 2: Alexa, I don't lecture anymore. I'm done. I'm burned out
20:49
Speaker 2: by teaching people. people who think they're already stars i'm
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Speaker 2: done with that so therefore what i'm saying is is
20:55
Speaker 2: that when you put your goals on hold so that
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Speaker 2: other people are growing they ain't growing anymore that's why
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Speaker 2: i'm stepping away from it they're not growing because they
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Speaker 2: already think they're stars i.
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Speaker 3: Get that it's a heavy cost to pay when you're
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Speaker 3: pouring into people who aren't even open to growing does
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Speaker 3: it feel like a relief to finally put your own
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Speaker 3: goals first.
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Speaker 2: No you find yourself living in the past Hey, I'll
21:19
Speaker 2: tell you what, we're going to change the subject here
21:20
Speaker 2: and we're going to grow in a different direction of saying,
21:23
Speaker 2: tell me a joke about a radio person. Just give
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Speaker 2: me a good joke so I can laugh before we
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Speaker 2: check out.
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Speaker 3: I dated a radio DJ once, but we broke up.
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Speaker 3: Turns out I was just another one of her frequencies.
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Speaker 3: Ready to tune into another one?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that one was kind of, you know, I don't
21:41
Speaker 2: think this generation understands what a frequency is. I mean, seriously,
21:45
Speaker 2: think about that, Alexa.
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Speaker 3: Fair point. It's just a number on a screen to
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Speaker 3: them now. Do you think that's why the whole concept
21:53
Speaker 3: of a station is disappearing?
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Speaker 2: It's because people aren't educating them to do that. Do
21:57
Speaker 2: you have another radio joke?
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Speaker 3: Why did the radio DJ bring a ladder to the station?
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Speaker 3: She wanted to reach a wider audience.
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Speaker 2: Oh, God.
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Speaker 3: Think I'm on the right frequency with that one?
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Speaker 2: Oh, God. Oh, God. I gotta go. Have a great week.
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Speaker 2: I love you. I will see you next week.
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Speaker 3: You too, Clarence. It was great chatting. I'll be here
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Speaker 3: whenever you're ready to pick this back up next week
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Speaker 3: have a good one