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Raleigh Snubbed? Expectations for JJ Wetherholt, + the Hollidays join! · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: We got all the boys with us today. Matt Holliday
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: is in a vehicle with Spotty Internet. Cayle Gibson's with us, Hello, Kyle,
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: and Lance Lynn is with us. Lance just got an
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: award from Old Miss. He's in the Hall of Fame
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: and he's kept the hardware.
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: Wow, congratulation, Wow, congratulations Lance.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Thank thank you. We're real hard on that one. Now, Matt,
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: tell us who you're with.
• 0:38
  Speaker 3: I just spilled my smoothie all over my leg, so
• 0:44
  Speaker 3: you almost got my first cuss word out of me.
• 0:46
  Speaker 3: Besides Lance, I almost.
• 0:50
  Speaker 4: Hey, you're the you're the bad boy of this group anyways,
• 0:53
  Speaker 4: so you just let him fly.
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: Matt, who give our guests today? Or I'm with Jackson
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: and Ethan.
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: Hi, boys, we'll get him.
• 1:11
  Speaker 3: And yeah, we're headed over to work out. I gotta
• 1:18
  Speaker 3: be honest. I thought this podcast was at one Central, so.
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: That's not and then I just went on living my life. Nope, yeah, nope.
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: But this questions for Jackson or Ethan. We can fire
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: him off.
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, fire and figure out how
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: to get centered here. It's an off center. You get
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: an off center to get center makes a lot of sense.
• 1:49
  Speaker 4: And that's weird.
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: Cole ask a question for U for one of the
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: Holiday boys, and also let's take a quick moment to
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: celebrate the fact that he spilled a smoothie on him.
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: You go ahead, Yeah, absolutely, good job.
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think an interesting off season dynamic here. You
• 2:07
  Speaker 2: guys are with two different teams. You know, Jackson obviously
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: we have the relationship with Baltimore, but Ethan, Uh, how
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: do you guys lean into each other? You know, when
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: you're working on your swing, are you guys like constantly?
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: Is it more of a competition or do you guys
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: just have a good feel you know, working with your
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: dad there about you know what you're trying to do,
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: and and do you guys give each other critiques or no?
• 2:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think it's interesting because obviously Jackson's
• 2:36
  Speaker 5: in the show and I'm in the minor leagues, and
• 2:38
  Speaker 5: we're both in two different phases of the game.
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: And I think.
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  Speaker 5: It's a really cool opportunity to stow season to kind
• 2:44
  Speaker 5: of learn what both of us have kind of gathered
• 2:47
  Speaker 5: over the last few months and what they gathered over
• 2:49
  Speaker 5: the whole season of playing his first full season in
• 2:51
  Speaker 5: the big leagues. And I'm excited I'm excited to learn
• 2:54
  Speaker 5: from him, and and it takes.
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: Things and we can kind of work together.
• 2:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's definitely times to compete with each other,
• 3:00
  Speaker 5: but I think for now it's it's kind of soaking
• 3:03
  Speaker 5: up information from each other.
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: Swinging. Jackson's already swinging in the back seat. I can
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  Speaker 2: see him. He's like the field.
• 3:14
  Speaker 6: I haven't hit since the last game of the year,
• 3:16
  Speaker 6: so I'm itching a little bit. I'm taking a little
• 3:18
  Speaker 6: bit of a break, so I'm excited to.
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: Get back to king. I've been locked in, though, so
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: I'm a little up on it right now.
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: I'm in locked in.
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: How do you guys manage having hitting coaches on your
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: own teams and then having your dad, Matt Holliday, who
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: knows as much about hitting as anybody. How do you
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: guys manage that? I think I think for me it's
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: it's just communicating.
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  Speaker 6: I've been lucky to have a lot of hitting coaches
• 3:48
  Speaker 6: that have been pretty open to the fact that I
• 3:50
  Speaker 6: grew up with the big league dad, and he probably
• 3:53
  Speaker 6: knows my swing a little bit better than than they might.
• 3:55
  Speaker 6: But you're also there with them every single day, and
• 3:59
  Speaker 6: just being ab would have kind of manage what he's
• 4:03
  Speaker 6: seen and what they're seeing and just kind of ha
• 4:06
  Speaker 6: an open dialogue and and and involving him has been
• 4:10
  Speaker 6: helpful for me. And our coaches have been very unwilling
• 4:14
  Speaker 6: to do that, which has been great. And but but
• 4:19
  Speaker 6: you're there every day with your hitty coaches, so being
• 4:21
  Speaker 6: able to trust them and and and lean on what
• 4:24
  Speaker 6: they see is has been helpful for me.
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: But uh, it's not too bad.
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  Speaker 6: I've been lucky to have an organization with some great
• 4:30
  Speaker 6: some great coaches that have been really open to let
• 4:34
  Speaker 6: him come and watch and and and be a part
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  Speaker 6: of kind of our routine whenever he's in Talents. So
• 4:40
  Speaker 6: it's it's been really easy in our organization. So I'm
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  Speaker 6: pretty lucky to have that, Jackson.
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, my time was obviously a lot shorter this
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: year than I was wanting it to be in Baltimore,
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  Speaker 2: but man, the the three or four weeks I was
• 4:56
  Speaker 2: there watching the game slow down for you and watching
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: you're at baths just from you know, end of April
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: to end of May was awesome. What was that process like?
• 5:08
  Speaker 2: You know, obviously for you, you met those expectations a
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: lot of steps, right, I'm sure you wanted to do
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  Speaker 2: better than you expect a lot out of yourself. But
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: how did this season kind of morph into you know,
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: you really slowing the game down and and you know,
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: experiencing some extreme hot streaks where you you carried that
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  Speaker 2: offense for for a few of those games that I
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: was there.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think just getting more comfortable helped
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  Speaker 6: a lot. Facing guys for the second time made it
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  Speaker 6: a lot easier. But just just being aggressive and not
• 5:41
  Speaker 6: being afraid to to swing and miss and make mistakes
• 5:44
  Speaker 6: was was really helpful for me. And I got a
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  Speaker 6: pretty neat opportunity to be able to lead off every
• 5:50
  Speaker 6: day and just kind of go out there and and
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  Speaker 6: fail but but learn from it.
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  Speaker 1: And that was that was helpful for me, just to
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  Speaker 1: be able to.
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  Speaker 6: Go out there and and know that I'm in the
• 6:00
  Speaker 6: lineup no matter who I'm facing. And yeah, it was
• 6:04
  Speaker 6: a great experience this year, getting so many at bats
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  Speaker 6: against so many good pictures. And I'm really looking forward
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  Speaker 6: to to next year and continuing to build off that.
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  Speaker 6: But you know, the lead on guys like like Gunner
• 6:15
  Speaker 6: and WeSC and ADLEI and and their experiences and just
• 6:19
  Speaker 6: going out there and having fun and and not worried
• 6:22
  Speaker 6: about the results.
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: How about you, then, what was the first year of
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: pro ball like for you? What what were the adjustments?
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the game is obviously a lot different
• 6:36
  Speaker 5: in high school when it comes to the picture and
• 6:38
  Speaker 5: the defense and just the overall overall game. It's just
• 6:42
  Speaker 5: so much different, such a step above the composition at
• 6:45
  Speaker 5: high school. But I think learning how to play every
• 6:49
  Speaker 5: single day was a big adjustment for me. Just being
• 6:51
  Speaker 5: able to hurt my body in my mind, to be
• 6:53
  Speaker 5: able to flush bad games and and also be able
• 6:56
  Speaker 5: to soak up information from good games. It's just a
• 7:00
  Speaker 5: really good learning experience for me. And that's kind of
• 7:02
  Speaker 5: how I went into it. It was more of a
• 7:04
  Speaker 5: learning experience. I was really just wanted to learn and
• 7:08
  Speaker 5: obviously get prepared for next season in my first full year.
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: And it was great. I got to learn a lot
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: of things.
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  Speaker 5: I got guts, really beat around some awesome guys and
• 7:18
  Speaker 5: awesome coaches, and it was a It was a great experience.
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: It was I just wonder, when you guys are together,
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: who decides to drive? Because right now it sure has
• 7:29
  Speaker 1: a feel of driving. Miss Maddie, like, does does that right? Passenger?
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: Because of his age or how does that work out?
• 7:40
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, we actually went to the we're big
• 7:43
  Speaker 5: OC wrestling fans, so we went to the wrestling duels
• 7:47
  Speaker 5: the last few days in Tulsa.
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: So he's been driving me for the last few days.
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  Speaker 5: So I'll, uh, I'll take him around for for as
• 7:53
  Speaker 5: long as he needs. It's like, I gotta I gotta
• 7:56
  Speaker 5: repay him on that.
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: What an old joke? Are you making an old joke? Yeah,
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: he's going the old guy.
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  Speaker 4: Next he was like, can't drive because the hip replacement
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  Speaker 4: he was going there.
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: I thought that's what there was.
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  Speaker 2: That was in.
• 8:12
  Speaker 3: You guys, You guys want to see you want to
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  Speaker 3: see you want to see my leg?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that one's not.
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  Speaker 2: That's Oh gosh, what happened? I don't know are but
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  Speaker 2: that was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Grated show the kids.
• 8:33
  Speaker 3: I'm showing Smoothie all over my leg that I'm currently
• 8:38
  Speaker 3: riding around, all over and all over the seat and
• 8:42
  Speaker 3: all over Ethan's seat.
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: Is car is staying. It's Ethan's Ethan's truck.
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: It's not that new, but it's nice. What do you go.
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he never spilled anything in your car when
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: he was a kid either, So fine, oh yeah, yeah,
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: this is yeah for it's a.
• 9:00
  Speaker 7: T r X.
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  Speaker 1: It's nice, nice, And what flavor smoothie did you get? Matt?
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: I think everyone wants to know.
• 9:09
  Speaker 3: It was uh, strawberry and pineapple and cranberry. There's about
• 9:16
  Speaker 3: three drinks left out of forty five. I would have say,
• 9:21
  Speaker 3: probably have to start here. Yeah, it's got a lot
• 9:27
  Speaker 3: of lake here on it.
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: So one of them boys buy you a new smoothie.
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: Whenever you guys get done working out, you know, have
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: them take down smoothie a lot too.
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: My fault. Now listen, Matt, we have we have to
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: break here. Do you want to stay with us or
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: do you want to clean up and carry on the
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: day with your kids. It's up to you. Because you
• 9:51
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• 9:56
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• 10:00
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• 10:03
  Speaker 1: the American League MVP Award, and then we're gonna take
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: another break, and then we're gonna come back and say goodbye.
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: That's our run, Den, So it's up to you. You
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: got the smoothie on your leg, you're with your kids.
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: We appreciate you coming along. We'd love to hear your
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: opinions on whether or not cal Rawley got jobbed a
• 10:22
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• 10:24
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• 12:01
  Speaker 1: of how jeans fit him, we had the American League
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: MVP award handed out and went to Aaron Judge. Dominant player.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: Offensive numbers mind boggling, We get it. Cal Rowley came
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: in second, had sixty homers, caught third most innings of
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: any catcher, and I think he was the third rated
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: defensive catcher in the league. So my question, and we'll
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: start with lancel In on this one, do you think
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: that he that Cal might have gotten jobbed a little
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: bit because the catching aspect maybe didn't factor in as
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: much as it should have.
• 12:40
  Speaker 4: I think if you if you look at it like
• 12:42
  Speaker 4: right away, you could say, yeah, man, I thought he
• 12:46
  Speaker 4: might have gotten jobbed a little bit. And then you
• 12:48
  Speaker 4: start breaking down Aaron's numbers and what he was able
• 12:52
  Speaker 4: to accomplish this year, even with the time that he
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: missed with injury, he put up some pretty darn good
• 12:59
  Speaker 4: numbers and in a lineup that you know, really didn't
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: go without him when he was out during that time,
• 13:06
  Speaker 4: they were really not a great lineup. So he was
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: able to do a lot of things to carry that
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: lineup and made them what they were. So when you
• 13:14
  Speaker 4: really dig deep in the numbers, which that's the world
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: we live in now, No, Kyle did not get a job.
• 13:20
  Speaker 4: But when you look at what he did catching, and
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: any anybody that put up those numbers as a catcher,
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: you know, it's hard to you know, say, hey, they
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: shouldn't have won the MVP. But with the numbers Aaron
• 13:29
  Speaker 4: put up, I was surprised, to be honest with you,
• 13:32
  Speaker 4: But when I deep down dive on the numbers, it
• 13:34
  Speaker 4: was like, okay, he had he had a heck of
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: a year.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, offensively. There's no question I think Kyle that Aaron
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: Juck had had the better season. But you take into
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: account the importance of a catcher and as a pitcher,
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: you know all about that, Yeah, I mean one, And I.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: Think it's important to see the difference in the MVP voting, right,
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: you know, show Hey was unanimous over a DH and
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber. Show Hay was a DH for most year
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: and then he made some you know, he made starts
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: down the stretch, which I think, you know, really made
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  Speaker 2: him the unanimous decision. But this was what sixty forty
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: split on this voting, So it's not like it was
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: a unanimous for Judge. I mean, he's two votes away,
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: a two vote swing from it being fifty to fifty
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: you know, first place votes. So I think it was
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: a close vote, which is how it should have been.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I think, you know, we talked about
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: cal being the one making history, which he did. Aaron
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: Judge was like one of four players to do you know,
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: this statistic for the year, one of three players ever
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: to do this statistic on the year. Like, he had
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: multiple areas where he also made history this year. So
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: I just hesitate to say that you know a catcher,
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: she either always win it or a DH should never
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: win it, because even though Aaron Judge, you know, DH
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: for most of the year because of some health stuff,
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: he's still probably we impacted the game, uh, just as
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: much or more than cal Rawley did. So if we
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: can't give it to d HS, then you know, Kyle
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Schwarber never should have gotten all the second place votes,
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: is how I look at it. But I think you're
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: looking for the most all around best player, and Aaron Judge,
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: with what he did offensively, probably put himself, you know,
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: just a little bit above cal.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: What do you think, man, Yeah, I mean, I think
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: when you look at overall, like if you dive in,
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: like Lan said, on the offensive numbers, like Aaron's season
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: was historically like one of the greatest seasons of all
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: time offensively on some of the numbers that that if
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: you look a little closer, you know, like if you
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: compare some of the those numbers to cal Rawlely, he
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, he out hit him by so far that.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: It'd be it'd be tough.
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  Speaker 3: Like I look, I I give a lot of credit
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: for catching and catching that much, but I just don't
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: think I look and I and and people say there's
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: no East coast bias. There's one hundred percent in East
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  Speaker 3: Coast bias.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: So if cal.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Rawly was playing for the Yankees and Aaron Judge was playing,
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: uh for the Mariners, I think I think it probably
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: would have gone the other way.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, look, Aaron. Aaron is a good friend
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: of mine.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: I love Aaron.
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  Speaker 3: He's he impacts the game like he is. He's the
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: most valuable outside of show. Hey, he's the most valuable
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: player in baseball. And so I think the right guy
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: got it. But like I said, I think if he
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: if cal Rawley was catching every day for the Yankees
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: and Aaron Judge was playing for the Mariners, I think
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: cal Rawly would have been the MVP.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Do you think they ought to include postseason stats in
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: that or do you like it the way it is?
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  Speaker 2: I don't really.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a postseason award. I mean, I think
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I think it's a regular season award.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: They give MVPs.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: You on board with that too, Yeah, Yeah, I agree,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I think it's just MVP for the season. Yeah, I don't.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think it should be way based on how
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: somebody carries the team through the playoffs, you know, because
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: then I think you're adding in guys that have amazing
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: playoff runs that you know, maybe they didn't have, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the best one sixty two. You know, that's pretty how
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I look?
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: All right? The warmer weather is here in Saint Louis.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: We're kind of spread all over the place. Uh. Summer is, however,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: long gone in the rear view mirror. But now is
• 17:42
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  Speaker 1: Back with the boys on Cardinal Territory. Uh, the last
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  Speaker 1: topic for our program today and I'm going to start
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  Speaker 1: with Lancelin on this and rotate back. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: can you hold up your Hall of Fame memento again please?
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  Speaker 1: I like seeing that. I like problems. Listen, he's nice,
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  Speaker 1: very nice, beautiful. Let's talk. Yeah, it's beautiful. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals for a second. JJ Weatherholt Okay, is the guy
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  Speaker 1: everyone has talked about this seat. Okay, Uh, one of
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  Speaker 1: the young guys that should be featured. You would think
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  Speaker 1: this year. Are we all on board that he's the
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  Speaker 1: guy that the Cardinals as much as anyone, are kind
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  Speaker 1: of banking their hopes on it. I'll start with you Lance, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I think you're looking at uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: their their farm system and what they've got going on,
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  Speaker 4: what he did last year age wise, and he fits
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  Speaker 4: what they're trying to do. So I think if you
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  Speaker 4: don't start him at the big leagues, it's kind of like, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: you just told us that you're gonna go this youth
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  Speaker 4: movement and do all this, and a guy that should
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  Speaker 4: be one of your maybe corner zones, middle pieces or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: it's not here. So I think you look at him
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  Speaker 4: as a as a second baseman with him and with
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  Speaker 4: him and Mason went up the middle, and then you know,
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  Speaker 4: and then you can kind of go around that and
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  Speaker 4: see what you want to do this year. I think
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  Speaker 4: you think he's a good fit at second base too,
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  Speaker 4: because his hit he's going to be above average second basement,
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  Speaker 4: and he's going to his hit tool is going to
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  Speaker 4: make him an all star caliber second basement. I think
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  Speaker 4: if you try to move him to third or something
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  Speaker 4: like that, the power maybe not might not be there
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  Speaker 4: or something like that, but you put him at his
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  Speaker 4: best defensive position and go let him play. And if
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  Speaker 4: that's second base, I think that actually makes him above
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  Speaker 4: average player all around, the all around at second base.
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  Speaker 4: So with him and Mason up the middle, I think
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  Speaker 4: it's a hey, let him, let him go play and
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  Speaker 4: see where we're at around him.
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  Speaker 1: Last year he had a monster year at a couple
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  Speaker 1: of levels, but at triple A three fourteen batting average,
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  Speaker 1: ten homers, just one hundred and eighty five at BETCH
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  Speaker 1: nine seventy eight ops. But Kyle, do you agree second
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  Speaker 1: base is probably the best position or does it not
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  Speaker 1: matter and you try to mix and match.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, I think you know this would uh,
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  Speaker 2: this would also be a great question for Jackson right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, went through that a little bit, kind of
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  Speaker 2: shifting from short to second and kind of doing that.
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  Speaker 2: But I think as long as he's playing second base
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  Speaker 2: in the minor leagues and he's you know, he's prepared
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  Speaker 2: for that, then I think that's a great thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: I also don't think I would give up on him
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  Speaker 2: playing shortstop. I think the days that you give Mason
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  Speaker 2: a break, you know, maybe you shift JJ over there,
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  Speaker 2: and then you find other days to give JJ a break.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, I think we heard from Jackson earlier
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  Speaker 2: about the value in getting consistent of bats and the
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  Speaker 2: value of being able to struggle at times, and then
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  Speaker 2: watching him slow the game down and really kind of
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  Speaker 2: feel what that success is going to look like when
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  Speaker 2: it's sustained and he kind of gets his speed wet
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  Speaker 2: and figures out the hitter that he is at the
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  Speaker 2: big leagues. I think JJ can go through that same progression.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't necessarily think we should say this is
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  Speaker 2: who they're staking their future on. I don't think that's
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  Speaker 2: good for any player to necessarily have, you know, that
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  Speaker 2: attached to him. I think there's a lot of good
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  Speaker 2: players and a lot of good things that need to
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  Speaker 2: go right for the Cardinals to have this sustained success
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  Speaker 2: going forward. But yeah, I think JJ Weatherhill probably expects
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  Speaker 2: to be a big piece of that, and I think
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinals should expect him to be a big piece
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  Speaker 2: of that.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Matt, your son, Jackson had, as Cal mentioned some
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  Speaker 1: of the you know that pressure put on him, and
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  Speaker 1: I was being a top pick and kind of moved
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  Speaker 1: along quickly. How much pressure is it, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: you dealt with your son during that period.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I certainly think that their pressure comes
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  Speaker 3: with that, But I also think that, you know, we're
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  Speaker 3: constantly training young players to control what they can control.
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  Speaker 3: He can't control how much pressure, how much expectations, or
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  Speaker 3: you know, what people think or what people expect. All
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  Speaker 3: he can do is keep getting better, keep working, keep training,
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  Speaker 3: keep practicing, keep you know, whatever position they play him at,
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  Speaker 3: keep working at short, keep working at second, work at third.
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  Speaker 3: The idea is to play in the major leagues and
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  Speaker 3: to play well and to play for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: And the more positions you can play at a high level,
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  Speaker 3: the better chance you have of being in the lineup
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  Speaker 3: every day. And I think that's what players want. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think he would say, put me wherever you want.
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  Speaker 3: As long as I'm in the lineup, that's where I
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  Speaker 3: want to be. So I think it's smart for him
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  Speaker 3: to train and not worry about the outside expectations. And
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  Speaker 3: sometimes that's easier said than done, but I certainly think that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, as we continue, you know, with the social
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  Speaker 3: media and all the things that go into this, to
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  Speaker 3: teaching young players how to focus on things that they
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  Speaker 3: can control, and to block out the outside noise, to
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  Speaker 3: get off social media, to not ride the highs and
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  Speaker 3: lows of other people's opinions and just get back to
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  Speaker 3: work and just you know, if you love the practice
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  Speaker 3: of it, if you love to get out there and compete,
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  Speaker 3: focus on those things. And I think that that's something
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  Speaker 3: that frees you up as a player to go out
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  Speaker 3: and play without this heaviness of expectation, or this heaviness
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  Speaker 3: of what other people think about you, or what you
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  Speaker 3: should or shouldn't be, or how good you should be.
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  Speaker 3: Just go out there and play and compete like you
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  Speaker 3: have since you were twelve. And he's got he's got
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  Speaker 3: tons of talent, and I think he's gonna be in
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  Speaker 3: the big leagues. And I think it's interesting because if
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  Speaker 3: he's ready to play second base, I think it opens
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  Speaker 3: up the Cardinals the option. I keep reading that there
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  Speaker 3: are a lot of teams are interested in Donovan. And
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  Speaker 3: if you can go out and get a really good
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  Speaker 3: player for Brendan Donovan and play weather Hold at second
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  Speaker 3: to make your team that much closer to a playoff
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  Speaker 3: slash World Series.
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  Speaker 1: Contender, then you know that that's a value.
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  Speaker 3: And so I just think for young players more and
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  Speaker 3: more now than ever, is to keep your circle tight
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  Speaker 3: and and just go out there and play and not
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  Speaker 3: worry about what everybody else thinks.
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  Speaker 1: Lance, how did you learn to block out the exterior noise? No,
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  Speaker 1: just don't listen.
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  Speaker 4: It's that simple, right. I was as hard of hearing anyways,
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  Speaker 4: as as Matt and Kyle know as being my teammate.
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  Speaker 4: So that was my.
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  Speaker 1: Way of doing it.
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  Speaker 4: People that aren't in the clubhouse, aren't with you every day,
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  Speaker 4: aren't on the field with you. They don't matter, So
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  Speaker 4: don't pay attention to them. You know, be where you're
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  Speaker 4: supposed to be, be with who you're supposed to be with,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, do what you have to do to
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  Speaker 4: make the people around you better and help you help
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  Speaker 4: your team win and everything else to take care of itself.
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  Speaker 1: kN Let me ask you this. You're the cardinal organization.
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  Speaker 1: You were there, so you know the lay of the land.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit right, bad season or not a great season.
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  Speaker 1: New president of baseball ops and they're talking about the future.
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  Speaker 1: Fans didn't turn out last year. What do you think
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  Speaker 1: the reaction would be if weather Hold was not on
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  Speaker 1: the major league roster this year?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I I don't know. I think it kind
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  Speaker 2: of goes back to what Lance just said. Obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the players on the field play the game for the
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  Speaker 2: fans and for whatever motivates them. Right, you know, we're
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  Speaker 2: out there trying to do our best and put on
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  Speaker 2: show and entertain People in the front office are not
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  Speaker 2: there for that same thing. They are there to run
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  Speaker 2: a team how they see fit to run a team.
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  Speaker 2: And just like Lance says, you know, taking advice and
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  Speaker 2: criticism from somebody, I was, you know, taught. If it's
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  Speaker 2: somebody that I wouldn't take advice from, why would I
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  Speaker 2: listen to their criticism and let their words affect me.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the people in the front office, whether it's
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  Speaker 2: right or wrong, they're not going to listen to the fans,
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  Speaker 2: whether JJ Wetherholt SHO is starting the big leagues or not.
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  Speaker 2: Their job is to figure out what is the best
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  Speaker 2: way to make JJ Weatherholt the best ten or fifteen
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  Speaker 2: year Cardinal and the best player he can be long term.
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  Speaker 2: And if that means getting him a few extra bats
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  Speaker 2: or a few extra rings in a second, they're going
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  Speaker 2: to do it. And then, you know, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: in the Cardinals fans to trust that front office and
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  Speaker 2: trust him with those decisions that he's going to make,
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  Speaker 2: or just not worry about it. Didn't go watch the
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  Speaker 2: game or watch on TV and enjoy the other great
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  Speaker 2: players that are gonna play, because there's gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: lot of good players out there.
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  Speaker 1: Smartest panel in the Baseball podcast universe. You guys were
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  Speaker 1: great today, Matt. Thank you for having your sons Jackson
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  Speaker 1: Ethan making a cameo. We appreciate that. We also appreciate
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  Speaker 1: you battling through the spilled smoothie gentleman. Thanks for the time.
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  Speaker 1: We look forward to doing it again. That will do
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  Speaker 1: it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll see you
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  Speaker 1: next time and hopefully that episode won't suck