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The Braves Didn’t Just Leave Turner Field. They Built a Town. · The Red Solo Traveler Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Red Solo Traveler podcast. For this journey,
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  Speaker 1: we are pulling from a really fascinating stack of sources.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got urban planning case studies, financial postmortems of
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  Speaker 2: the 1990s baseball boom, some historical franchise logs.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Plus our own boots on the ground travel logs.
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  Speaker 1: And our mission today is to look at a story
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  Speaker 1: that Well, it completely rewrites the rules of American sports
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  Speaker 1: and travel.
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  Speaker 2: It really does. It's a total paradigm shift.
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  Speaker 1: But to grasp the sheer magnitude of what we're unpacking here,
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  Speaker 1: I need you to picture the summer of 1996. Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Picture the Centennial Olympic Stadium in Atlanta, Muhammad Ali lighting
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  Speaker 1: the torch, Michael Johnson in the gold shoes. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it is the absolute center of the world
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  Speaker 2: at that moment.
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  Speaker 1: It is. It is. And then the games end, the
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  Speaker 1: closing ceremony wraps up, and something almost unthinkable happens.
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  Speaker 2: They just gut it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Olympic track is literally ripped out of the ground,
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  Speaker 1: the baseball configuration is dropped in, and just like that,
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  Speaker 1: this monumental global stage transforms into a major league ballpark.
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  Speaker 2: Which remains one of the most stunning architectural pivots in
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  Speaker 2: modern history, you know? Yeah. You have this colossal structure
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  Speaker 2: built to host the entire globe, and suddenly it's recalibrated
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  Speaker 2: for a Tuesday night divisional baseball game.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. Because that pivot is the entire
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  Speaker 1: foundation of the argument we are making today. The Atlanta
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  Speaker 1: Braves didn't just build a nicer yard to play in.
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  Speaker 1: They completely abandoned their downtown home to build an entire
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  Speaker 1: purpose-built town at a highway interchange. And their eventual move
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  Speaker 1: away from that historic Olympic Stadium is really only shocking
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  Speaker 1: if you skip over the fact that the building had
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  Speaker 1: already changed jobs once.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we tend to treat stadiums like these sacred,
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  Speaker 2: immovable temples. But this one was a shapeshifter from day one.
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  Speaker 1: Completely.
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  Speaker 2: But let's pause on that idea for a second. Because
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  Speaker 2: to understand what the franchise built out there in the suburbs,
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  Speaker 2: you first have to understand the mechanics of what they
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  Speaker 2: walked away from.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You've got the historical timeline on this. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So urban planners use this term called adaptive reuse.
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  Speaker 1: Which usually means like taking an old factory and turning
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  Speaker 1: into loft apartments.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Or, you know, converting an abandoned church into a
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  Speaker 2: bookstore or something. You keep the historical shell, but you
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  Speaker 2: radically gut the inside so the building survives.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the Braves took adaptive reuse to this extreme, totally
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  Speaker 2: unprecedented edge. They walked away from a downtown stadium that
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  Speaker 2: had already lived two distinct lives, only to go and
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  Speaker 2: build a third, entirely new conceptual universe.
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  Speaker 1: Out at the junction of Interstate 75 and Interstate 285.
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  Speaker 2: Right at the interchange.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to dig into that timeline. Take us
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  Speaker 1: through the specific lives of this downtown bowl, because the
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  Speaker 1: building didn't just vanish into thin air when the baseball
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  Speaker 1: team left.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all. Let's trace the lineage here. So
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  Speaker 2: life number one, as you painted for us, is the
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  Speaker 2: 1996 Centennial Olympic Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Life number two begins in 1997. When the track comes out,
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  Speaker 2: the diamond goes in, and it officially becomes Turner Field.
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  Speaker 1: It was a great park.
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  Speaker 2: It was. For two decades, it operates as a perfectly functional, frankly,
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  Speaker 2: quite beautiful retro classic major league yard. It had the
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  Speaker 2: brick facade, open concourses, you know, that distinct sense of
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  Speaker 2: historical place. But then the Braves make the decision to leave.
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  Speaker 2: And this brings us to its third life.
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  Speaker 1: Because it wasn't demolished.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It was acquired by Georgia State University and transformed
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  Speaker 2: into Center Park Stadium. So it was now a college
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  Speaker 2: football venue.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: It has the exact same physical concrete bowl, but it
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  Speaker 2: is now working its third completely different job.
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  Speaker 1: OK, I'm going to step in here and play the
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  Speaker 1: role of the skeptical visiting fan.
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  Speaker 2: Go for it.
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  Speaker 1: Because when that move was announced, I remember thinking walking
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  Speaker 1: away from an Olympic stadium after just 20 years feels
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  Speaker 1: incredibly wasteful. Right. Like you don't just casually abandon a
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  Speaker 1: monument that hosted the world. It's like moving out of
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  Speaker 1: a museum because you want a bigger garage. So why
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  Speaker 1: abandon a perfectly good downtown stadium?
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  Speaker 2: Well, what's fascinating here is that the answer is found
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  Speaker 2: in those financial postmortems we pulled. And it reveals this cold,
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  Speaker 2: rational business calculation.
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  Speaker 1: So nostalgia was not on the spreadsheet.
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  Speaker 2: Nostalgia did not factor in at all. First off, Turner
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  Speaker 2: Field was becoming incredibly expensive to maintain. But the real
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  Speaker 2: driver was the broken promise of the 1990s stadium boom.
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  Speaker 1: Clarify that for the listener. What exactly was the promise?
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  Speaker 2: So think back to 1992 when Oriole Park at Camden
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  Speaker 2: Yards opened in Baltimore.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, which completely revolutionized sports architecture.
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  Speaker 2: Totally. The prevailing theory became, hey, if you build a
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  Speaker 2: beautiful retro looking stadium in a downtown core, Third-party developers
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  Speaker 2: will just rush in.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you'll get a vibrant, walkable neighborhood of bars and
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  Speaker 1: restaurants organically sprouting up.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, to serve the millions of fans visiting every summer.
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  Speaker 2: But for Turner Field, that organic neighborhood never materialized.
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  Speaker 1: It was just kind of an island.
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  Speaker 2: Completely cut off from the rest of downtown Atlanta by
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  Speaker 2: these massive, sprawling highway interchanges. Developers looked at the location,
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  Speaker 2: deemed it way too risky, and just stayed away.
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  Speaker 1: So the team is just sitting there waiting for the
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  Speaker 1: surrounding city to catch up and build the neighborhood they
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  Speaker 1: needed to keep fans engaged. And the city basically just said,
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  Speaker 1: no thanks.
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  Speaker 2: That is the harsh reality.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But the absolute final mail in the downtown coffin was
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  Speaker 2: the team's own data mining. Oh, right.
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  Speaker 1: The season ticket map.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The front office started looking really closely at where
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  Speaker 2: the credit card swipes were coming from, where the cars
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  Speaker 2: were registered.
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  Speaker 1: And what did they find?
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  Speaker 2: The heat map of their most dedicated ticket-buying fan base
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  Speaker 2: pointed starkly north and west. The financial center of Gravity
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  Speaker 2: didn't point back toward the downtown urban core at all.
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  Speaker 2: It pointed directly toward the affluent northern suburbs.
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  Speaker 1: Which means, basically, they were asking their most loyal customers
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  Speaker 1: to drive past the city limits, navigate terrible downtown traffic,
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  Speaker 1: pay for parking in a desolate area, watch the game,
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  Speaker 1: and then immediately flee back to the suburbs.
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  Speaker 2: Because there was literally nowhere to grab a drink afterward.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So they made a pretty ruthless geographic calculation.
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  Speaker 2: They did. In 2017, they opened a new park about
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  Speaker 2: 10 miles northwest of downtown in Cobb County.
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  Speaker 1: Right, which originally opened as SunTrust Park and then became
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  Speaker 1: Truist Park in 2020 after a bank merger.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And let's talk about that new frontier in Cobb County,
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  Speaker 1: because I want to be clear, based on our travel logs,
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  Speaker 1: Truist Park itself is a great venue.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: It holds just over 41,000 people. It has this massive,
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  Speaker 1: sweeping canopy that provides serious shade. And if you've ever
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  Speaker 1: sat on metal bleachers during a Georgia summer afternoon... It's brutal.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. So a canopy isn't just an aesthetic choice.
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  Speaker 1: It's essentially a life-saving architectural feature.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: But the stadium itself, the grass, the seats, the scoreboard,
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  Speaker 1: that is not the reason every other sports franchise in
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  Speaker 1: America is obsessively studying this move.
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  Speaker 2: Not even close. I mean, having 41,000 seats and clean
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  Speaker 2: sight lines is just the baseline expectation for a modern
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  Speaker 2: venue now.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: The true innovation, the reason urban planners and sports executives
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  Speaker 2: are treating this like a new Holy Grail is the
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  Speaker 2: ecosystem that surrounds the stadium.
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  Speaker 1: The Battery.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. It's a 60-acre development called the Battery Atlanta. And
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  Speaker 2: you have to picture the sheer scale of this. They
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  Speaker 2: didn't just build a couple of sports bars across the street.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: They acted as the master developer. and manufactured an entire
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  Speaker 2: functioning city district from dirt.
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  Speaker 1: Break down the components of that district for us. Like,
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  Speaker 1: what are you actually walking through before you hit the turnstiles?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you are walking past residential apartment buildings where people
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  Speaker 2: live year-round. You have corporate office towers.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The street level is entirely activated by high-end restaurants, boutique
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  Speaker 2: retail shops, co-working spaces. They built a premier indoor concert
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  Speaker 2: venue called the Coca-Cola Roxy.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, and three separate hotels.
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  Speaker 1: And the Plaza Green. We cannot skip the Plaza Green.
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  Speaker 2: No, we can't, because that might be the most brilliant
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  Speaker 2: piece of the whole puzzle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The Plaza Green is this massive manicured lawn sitting right
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  Speaker 2: outside the stadium gates. And it faces a giant digital screen.
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  Speaker 1: So you can literally bring your family, throw a blanket
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  Speaker 1: on the grass, and watch the Major League game happening
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  Speaker 1: a few hundred feet away for absolutely free.
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  Speaker 2: Without ever buying a ticket.
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  Speaker 1: That's wild.
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  Speaker 2: And when you add all these components together, the central
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  Speaker 2: thesis of the project becomes super clear. The baseball park
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  Speaker 2: is merely the anchor tenant.
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  Speaker 1: It's just the magnet.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It draws you in. But the district itself, the battery,
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  Speaker 2: that is the actual product they're selling.
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  Speaker 1: Let's view this through the lens of stadium history for
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  Speaker 1: a second. Because I remember going to Citi Field in
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  Speaker 1: New York in the years right after it opened. And
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  Speaker 1: the Mets built this absolutely gorgeous, world-class ballpark. But it
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  Speaker 1: was essentially an island surrounded by this hard edge of
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  Speaker 1: auto body, chop shops, junkyards and airport traffic.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: As a fan, you were just waiting, hoping a neighborhood
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  Speaker 1: would eventually evolve around it.
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  Speaker 2: Which takes decades if it happens at all. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So the Braves looked at that model, the waiting game,
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  Speaker 1: and bypassed it entirely. They realized if they wanted a neighborhood,
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  Speaker 1: they had to manufacture the city block themselves and physically
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  Speaker 1: bolt the stadium to it.
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  Speaker 2: But that heavy-handed manufacturing raises a massive question about authenticity.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Because when you build a 60-acre commercial district from scratch,
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  Speaker 2: it is going to be shiny. It is master-planned down
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  Speaker 2: to the millimeter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So how does a sports franchise prevent this space from
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  Speaker 2: feeling like a sterile, high-end, outdoor shopping mall that just
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  Speaker 2: happens to have a baseball diamond in the middle of it?
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  Speaker 2: You can't just pour concrete and expect it to have
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  Speaker 2: a soul.
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  Speaker 1: You really can't. And that is where the franchise lineage
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  Speaker 1: acts as the counterweight to all that modern corporate gloss.
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  Speaker 1: We have to remember the Braves didn't start in Atlanta
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  Speaker 1: in 1966. No. This franchise started in Boston in 1871.
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  Speaker 2: Which makes them the oldest continuously operating franchise in American
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  Speaker 2: professional sports.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So while the brick and steel in Cobb County
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  Speaker 1: are entirely brand new, the bloodline is ancient.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: And seeing how they integrated that 19th century history into
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  Speaker 1: a 21st century suburban real estate development, well, that is
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  Speaker 1: the blueprint other clubs are trying to steal.
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  Speaker 2: How do they do it inside the park?
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  Speaker 1: The second you step inside the gates, you feel the gravity.
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  Speaker 1: They built this space called Monument Garden on the first
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  Speaker 1: level concourse directly behind home plate. Okay. And it isn't
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  Speaker 1: some dusty hallway. It is a beautifully designed open-air museum.
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  Speaker 1: You've got this massive sculpture honoring Hank Aaron's historic 715th
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  Speaker 1: home run.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: You walk past the retired numbers, the Hall of Fame plaques,
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  Speaker 1: the World Series trophies sitting under glass, and the crucial
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  Speaker 1: design choice here. It has not hidden away in some
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  Speaker 1: exclusive VIP club for luxury suite holders.
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  Speaker 2: It's accessible to everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Any fan with a standard upper deck ticket can
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  Speaker 1: walk right up to it. It really grounds the entire building.
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  Speaker 2: It creates an anchor of memory.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But if Monument Garden represents the historical soul of the park,
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  Speaker 2: we have to look to the outfield to see the
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  Speaker 2: most glaring, undeniable symbol of their new business model.
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  Speaker 1: You're talking about the Omni Hotel.
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  Speaker 2: The Omni Hotel. It rises 16 stories right next to
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  Speaker 2: the field.
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  Speaker 1: It is massive.
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  Speaker 2: It is impossible to ignore. You look out toward right
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  Speaker 2: center field and there's a towering luxury hotel looking right
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  Speaker 2: back at you.
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  Speaker 1: It's wild. You can literally rent a room with a
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  Speaker 1: balcony that hangs over the precinct looking directly down into
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  Speaker 1: the ballpark.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like you could order room service, walk out in a
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  Speaker 1: bathrobe and watch the seventh inning stretch from your bedroom.
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  Speaker 2: Which is the blunt physical manifestation of this entire experiment, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It is the absolute fusion of high-end real estate and
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  Speaker 2: spectator sports.
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  Speaker 1: They are completely blended. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: The team and the real estate development aren't just neighbors anymore.
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  Speaker 2: They share the same airspace. The model has evolved from just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, selling you a hot dog for three hours
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  Speaker 2: to capturing your lodging, your dinner, your morning coffee and
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  Speaker 2: your entertainment.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And on paper, the business model is bulletproof and
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  Speaker 1: the architectural theory is groundbreaking. But as we know from
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  Speaker 1: our travel logs, none of that matters if it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: actually deliver a compelling human experience on game night.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. If the vibe is dead, the master plan is
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  Speaker 2: a failure.
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  Speaker 1: But I can tell you from personal experience, the machinery
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  Speaker 1: works perfectly. Let me pull a page from our field
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  Speaker 1: notes and take you back to June.
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  Speaker 2: 7th, 2023. The famous Mets game.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. As a long-suffering Mets fan, it earned into my psyche.
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  Speaker 1: So I was in Atlanta. A friend pulled some local
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  Speaker 1: folks together, and we went to this Wednesday night Mets-Braves matchup. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing that struck me immediately was that the
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  Speaker 1: experience started hours before the first pitch.
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  Speaker 2: Because of the battery.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. We didn't just park and walk to a gate.
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  Speaker 1: We had to walk through the battery to get there.
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  Speaker 1: It was so vibrant, just packed with energy. People were
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  Speaker 1: dining on patios. Kids were throwing baseballs on the Plaza Green.
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  Speaker 2: So the district was doing its job.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, completely. By the time you actually scan your ticket,
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  Speaker 1: you are already buzzing. And we ended up getting these
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous front row seats right by the Braves' dugout rail.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. What does that proximity actually feel like as a
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  Speaker 2: visiting fan?
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  Speaker 1: It's almost uncomfortably intimate. You are sitting so close to
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  Speaker 1: the clubhouse steps that the opposing players can hear every
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  Speaker 1: word you say.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The sight lines drop you right into the action.
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  Speaker 1: The crowd was radiating that intense National League East rivalry energy. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: and I have to add a vital travel note here.
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  Speaker 2: Please do.
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  Speaker 1: If you go getting the Fox Bros, BBQ inside the
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  Speaker 1: park is non-negotiable.
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  Speaker 2: I will put that in the official record. But how
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  Speaker 2: did the night actually end for your team?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the punchline is the Mets lost. Because of course
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  Speaker 1: they did.
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  Speaker 2: Right, naturally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But here is the critical takeaway to that entire night.
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  Speaker 1: The Mets lost, and yet the night was still a
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  Speaker 1: massive success.
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  Speaker 2: Why is that?
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  Speaker 1: Because when we walked out of those gates after the
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  Speaker 1: final out in the ninth inning, the environment hadn't vanished.
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  Speaker 1: Think about what usually happens when a game ends at
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  Speaker 1: an isolated stadium.
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  Speaker 2: Right. You walk out into a dark, sprawling parking lot.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Everyone is stressed, rushing to their cars, trying to
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  Speaker 1: beat the traffic bottleneck. The energy dies instantly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But here, we walked out and the battery was still
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  Speaker 1: completely alive. The district was bustling with people, grabbing a
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  Speaker 1: late night drink, having dinner, lingering on the lawns. The
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  Speaker 1: night was still happening.
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  Speaker 2: Which proves the underlying urban design concept. A ballpark visit
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  Speaker 2: can no longer just be about a box score. A
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  Speaker 2: stadium design is truly successful if the place holds together
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  Speaker 2: and provides a great night out, even when the home
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  Speaker 2: team gets blown out. Or, well, your team in this case.
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  Speaker 1: Right. The sting of the loss was mitigated because the
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  Speaker 1: district caught you on the way out. It absorbed the crowd.
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  Speaker 2: Which brings us to the great philosophical crossroads of this
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  Speaker 2: whole analysis.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: We've established that the model works commercially. We've established it
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  Speaker 2: works experientially.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to pose the central question from our
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  Speaker 1: urban planning sources. Is a ballpark still a true civic
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  Speaker 1: place if you have to drive to a purpose-built, privately
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  Speaker 1: owned town at an interstate interchange to reach it?
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  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, that is
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  Speaker 2: the massive tradeoff at the heart of modern American urbanism.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: For over a century, the baseball stadium was an extension
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  Speaker 2: of the traditional urban downtown spine. You took the subway.
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  Speaker 2: You walked the messy public city streets. You engaged with
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  Speaker 2: the existing civic fabric. When the Braves left Turner Field,
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  Speaker 2: they traded away that downtown spine. They largely traded away MARTA,
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  Speaker 2: Atlanta's public transit system, as a primary option. They traded
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  Speaker 2: it all for a highly controlled, master-planned environment that is
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: reachable predominantly by personal car.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: You are driving to an island.
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  Speaker 2: You are. And it forces us to redefine what a
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: civic gathering space is. Is a space truly civic, only
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: if it is organically integrated into a city's public grid?
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  Speaker 2: Or does it become a civic space simply because 40,000
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: citizens choose to gather there to share a collective experience?
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  Speaker 1: It's a manufactured, privatized town square. But, I mean, when
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  Speaker 1: you are standing in it, it functions exactly like a
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: real town square.
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  Speaker 2: They took the unpredictability of the public square, sanded down
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  Speaker 2: the rough edges, privatized it, and made it highly efficient.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: But in doing so, you do lose that gritty, organic
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  Speaker 2: texture of a traditional city neighborhood that evolves over decades.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Which leads us directly to the final travel verdict for
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: the listener. If you are navigating Atlanta, here is how
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: you approach this.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hear it.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Go on a game night if you possibly can. The
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  Speaker 1: synergy of the battery and the ballpark in full swing
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: is the entire point of the trip. And frankly, grab
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: standing room tickets. Yeah, you don't want to be chained
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: to a plastic seat for three hours. Walking those concourses,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: taking in the different vantage points and exploring Monument Garden,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: That is the best way to consume the architecture.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Good tip.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if you are there in the winter or the
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: team is on a road trip, book the 90-minute off-day tour.
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  Speaker 1: It launches at the right field gate and it is
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: absolutely worth the time.
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  Speaker 2: But I need to leave you with one crucial caveat
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  Speaker 2: for your itinerary.
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  Speaker 1: What's that?
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  Speaker 2: Do not make this your only historical stop in Atlanta
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: if your time is limited.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: The Battery is a marvel of modern sports business and
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: urban engineering. But it is not the deep historical soul
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: of Atlanta. If the Jimmy Carter Presidential Library and the
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Atlanta History Center are still untouched on your list, you
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: must go there first.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Right, because those institutions carry the much deeper, richer, and
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: honestly more complicated civic story of the city.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Truist Park and the Battery really only carry the
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: story of sports and city planning from 1996 onward.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: They are different rooms in the same house.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: That is the perfect way to frame it. For all
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: the logistical details... tour booking links, specific bag policies you
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: need to check before leaving your hotel. You know, head
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: over to the original article for the if you go section.
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  Speaker 2: And as you think about the evolution we've discussed today,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I will leave you with a final thought to shoe on. OK.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: For decades, a sports team was somewhat viewed as a
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: public trust, often heavily subsidized by taxpayers existing for the
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: civic glory of the city itself.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: But now we're entering an era where the sports franchise
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: is primarily a real estate developer. And the baseball game
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: is essentially just a marketing loss leader to get you
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: into their restaurants, their apartments, and their hotels.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: It raises a fascinating question. If the modern American stadium
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: is just the anchored tenant of a corporate company town,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: mining our leisure time instead of coal, who really owns
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: the soul of the team? The fans who cheer for
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: the laundry? or the corporation that owns the concrete.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Now that is something to mull over on your next
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: road trip. Safe travels, everyone.