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2/10/26: Trump Demands High House Prices, Olympic Athletes Trash USA, AI Medical Device Backlash, Trump Whitewashes Sudan Complicity · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: dot com. Moving on to housing, this is the story
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  Speaker 3: we've been wanting to cover for quite a long time.
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  Speaker 3: And of course, here in Washington you will see Republicans
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  Speaker 3: kiss Trump's ass on any number of things. Then he
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  Speaker 3: tries to do something good for once, and what happens.
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  Speaker 3: Let's put it up here on the screen. Proposed ban
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  Speaker 3: on investors in the housing market.
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  Speaker 1: Hits a wall in Congress.
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  Speaker 3: Whitehouse is pressteroring GOP and Congress to add an investor
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  Speaker 3: ban to exist stinghousing bills, but lawmakers have pushed back.
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  Speaker 1: Now let's just think about this.
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  Speaker 3: Bomb Venezuela in violation of the law, No problem, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: bomb Iran, no problem.
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  Speaker 1: Let's extend massive tax cuts.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, of course, here you go. Anything else? Didn't
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  Speaker 3: see the tweet? Sorry, what was that? I'm not aware
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  Speaker 3: of it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's ban investors from Oh no, we can't have that.
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  Speaker 1: We couldn't. We couldn't possibly allow something like that.
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  Speaker 3: We'll have to start at a subcommittee level before we
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  Speaker 3: start to consider something like this. So this is Washington, people,
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  Speaker 3: this is Washington. If you try and do something even
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  Speaker 3: marginally good, you're dead. And look, my sources tell me
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  Speaker 3: they're going to continue to fight on this, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to hold my breath. But the biggest problem
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  Speaker 3: and most revealing part of all of it is just
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  Speaker 3: to show you where power really lies. What they are
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  Speaker 3: willing to hold the line, if anything, that's that's everything, right,
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  Speaker 3: What are they actually willing to fight about?
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  Speaker 1: And this is one of them.
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  Speaker 3: And what they talk about here specifically is that, for example,
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  Speaker 3: lawmakers in both chambers have resisted adding the investor ban,
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  Speaker 3: which traditional free market advocates say they oppose. Any such
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  Speaker 3: amendment would derail a bipartisan momentum behind current housing packages.
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  Speaker 3: The House overwhelmingly voted in favor of a current bill
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  Speaker 3: by three hundred and ninety to nine. The two chambers
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  Speaker 3: will then have to reconcile later. However, the OMB issued
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  Speaker 3: a statement reiterating the administration's insistence on this investor ban.
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  Speaker 3: But it was immediately had huge pushback. And all of
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  Speaker 3: this is because the people they work for are not
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  Speaker 3: you or I. It is the very big time investors themselves,
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  Speaker 3: the people who are locking up housing stock. Part of
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  Speaker 3: the other problem, Crystal is Trump himself is all over
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  Speaker 3: the place, so at the very same time that he
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  Speaker 3: wants to what does he want to do. He wants
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  Speaker 3: to ban investors from buying houses. He also is a
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  Speaker 3: slave to the boomers who wants to keep their housing
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  Speaker 3: prices high.
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  Speaker 1: His words, not mine.
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  Speaker 4: Here's what you have to say, existing housing people that
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  Speaker 4: own their homes, We're going to keep them wealthy. We're
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  Speaker 4: going to keep those prices up. We're not going to
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  Speaker 4: destroy the value of their homes so that somebody that
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  Speaker 4: didn't work very hard can buy a home. We're going
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  Speaker 4: to get we're going to make it easier to buy.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to get interest rates down. But I want
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  Speaker 4: to protect the people that, for the first time in
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  Speaker 4: their lives, feel good about themselves. They feel like they've
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  Speaker 4: you know, that they're wealthy people, and I want them
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  Speaker 4: to understand it. You know, there's so much talk about, oh,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to drive housing prices down. I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to drive housing prices down. I want to drive housing
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  Speaker 4: prices up for people that own their homes and they
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  Speaker 4: can be assured that's what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can go and stick a gun in my mouth.
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  Speaker 3: All right, for the first time in their lives, these
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  Speaker 3: people are wealthy. Really, they've been wealthy for a long time. Actually,
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  Speaker 3: all right, will somebody please think of the person who
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  Speaker 3: bought a Santa Monica piece of real estate for two
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  Speaker 3: hundred thousand and now it's worth two point four million.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I weep for that individual.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, all I want to do is cap their
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  Speaker 3: property tax and pay for their dialysis, and then continue
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  Speaker 3: to pay for their retirement and then whenever they die
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  Speaker 3: and they pass it on to their children and we
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  Speaker 3: don't get a single dollar of it because of the
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  Speaker 3: step up basis.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that is what makes me proud to be
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  Speaker 1: in America.
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  Speaker 3: That is that is that is that is justice, fairness
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  Speaker 3: and the American dream at its heart. I mean, this
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  Speaker 3: is this is the problem. This is the problem. We're
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  Speaker 3: slave to these people all anybody wants to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: Oh well, somebody please think these people who worked hard
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  Speaker 3: and played by the rules. It's like, well, part of
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  Speaker 3: the rules is called a property tax, except what do
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  Speaker 3: they do because they write the rules, they try to
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  Speaker 3: make it go away. If you try to do anything
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  Speaker 3: that might marginally decrease the price of housing, then oh,
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  Speaker 3: oh no, we can't have that because it would hurt
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of their stock, I mean a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of their their gains. It drives me insane. But
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  Speaker 3: this is that's actual the government policy. Well and Trump,
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  Speaker 3: that's what's so maddening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Trump. Trump is a nimby to his core.
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  Speaker 2: Like this is not the first time. This is the
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  Speaker 2: most overt that he's laid out his view of like
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  Speaker 2: I don't want housing prices to go down, and crazy
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  Speaker 2: those people vote, like I want their housing prices to
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  Speaker 2: continue to go up, and like we'll give you a
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  Speaker 2: fifty year mortgage.
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  Speaker 5: I remember that was one of his ideas.
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  Speaker 2: So since housing prices are wildly unaffordable, and there's no
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  Speaker 2: way you can do, you know, stomach a mortgage payment
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  Speaker 2: for twenty or thirty year mortgage. How about we do
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  Speaker 2: a fifty year mortgage that'll get you in the door.
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  Speaker 2: Those are the sorts of ideal ideas that are most
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  Speaker 2: appealing to him, because he truly is a nimbi to
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  Speaker 2: his core. I mean, there have been plenty of campaign
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  Speaker 2: rhetoric from him talking about how Democrats want to destroy
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  Speaker 2: the suburbs, they want to destroy your neighborhood and bring
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  Speaker 2: in all these undesirables. And this is very like deep
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  Speaker 2: in New York politics, especially in like the New York
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  Speaker 2: City suburbs. Janine Piro comes down of some of these
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  Speaker 2: like nimbi fights, and it's a bit of I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he is in a sense, he's very brazen about it.
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  Speaker 2: He's not wrong about some of the politics though, because
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  Speaker 2: they are very powerful and influential and mobilized group of voters.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the fact that they are homeowners means that
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  Speaker 2: number one, oftentimes there's some money that they can throw
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  Speaker 2: to campaigns, but number two, you know, they're locked in,
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  Speaker 2: they're in a neighborhood. They put roots down in a community.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of the important things about home ownership is
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  Speaker 2: it allows that that dynamic to take hold. And if
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  Speaker 2: you're more transient, you're less likely to be engaged in
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  Speaker 2: your local political culture. So if you're a renter, you're
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  Speaker 2: sort of inherently less likely to be as influential at
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  Speaker 2: the ballot box. Older people vote in larger numbers. This
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  Speaker 2: is his core base, So that's what he is reflecting here.
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  Speaker 2: It's just crazy to hear him say it out loud
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  Speaker 2: that no, I love the housing pubble, I want to
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  Speaker 2: continue to inflate it forever, and instead I want to
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  Speaker 2: come up with these like exotic financial instruments that keep
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  Speaker 2: you indebted and enslaved for your entire life, rather than
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  Speaker 2: actually trying to create to surge more affordable housing. The
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  Speaker 2: thing that's you know, this bipartisan housing legislation in the
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  Speaker 2: House in the Senate, which you know, I don't have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of hope that is going to really change
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  Speaker 2: the game on anything whatever. It's a lot of sort
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  Speaker 2: of abundance style ideas of hey, let's roll back regulation here,
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  Speaker 2: let's roll back red tape there, let's explore some different
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  Speaker 2: housing construction methods, all things that I'm fortified.
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  Speaker 5: All fine, right, but.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I again, it's I think there's a demonstration
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  Speaker 2: of the limits of what can be done with that.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't have more sort of aggressive and direct
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  Speaker 2: government intervention to surge affordable housing, just letting the free
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  Speaker 2: market do its thing is not going to be enough
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  Speaker 2: to overcome what is a massive housing deficit and what
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  Speaker 2: is a you know, insane increase in housing prices for you.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I should.
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  Speaker 3: Clarify I'm not a total yimbi either. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: don't like a lot of the ymbi abundance people. They
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  Speaker 3: want us all to live in twelve hundred squad twelve
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  Speaker 3: hundred square foot glass boxes that are run by developers.
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm good with that, actually, you know so, I
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  Speaker 3: think there's a role for community and all that. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to take it as far as some
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  Speaker 3: people do, who every time you want to build something new.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, but what about the public parking? I'm just like,
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  Speaker 1: shut up, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: In my neighborhood, they genuinely put up a they put
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  Speaker 3: up a sign that said, if we build a new
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  Speaker 3: apartment building, then a nine to one one will get
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  Speaker 3: overwhelmed and I'm like, I think that's a problem that
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  Speaker 3: we could figure out. You know, nine to one one
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  Speaker 3: is not going to get overwhelmed. Just say you don't
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  Speaker 3: want more people live in here. That's you can say it. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: we can all say it. Let's just not make up
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  Speaker 3: fake numbers. And in the current environment, no sorry, like
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  Speaker 3: just because you own a house, like there's people out
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  Speaker 3: of there paying twenty five three thousand dollars a month
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  Speaker 3: for studio apartments, like I can't be having this. Like
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  Speaker 3: at a certain point, we have to balance this stuff
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  Speaker 3: out as a society, so we can be a little
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  Speaker 3: bit nimby if you know, if things go too far,
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you right, But that's my point is that
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  Speaker 3: we can we let's be reasonable. Let's say if rent
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  Speaker 3: is at a place where it's going to eat up
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  Speaker 3: forty fifty sixty percent of after tax income, then yes,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, your community aspects are not going to be
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  Speaker 3: taken as as seriously, Yeah, if it's twenty and thirty, sure,
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  Speaker 3: let's talk about beautification or public spaces or parks. Things
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  Speaker 3: are so out of control that you know, we're at
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  Speaker 3: a place where the land owning class is so dramatically
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  Speaker 3: in power. All they are doing is trying to protect
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  Speaker 3: their own assets. So let's put C three up on
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  Speaker 3: the screen. For example, Trump says voting housing prices are
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  Speaker 3: too high. Trump wants some higher. He said, he wants
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  Speaker 3: to drive housing prices up, not down, speaking to the
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  Speaker 3: conundrum that has flummexed policymakers for decades. And what they
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  Speaker 3: point to is that poll after poll after poll just
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  Speaker 3: shows you that people are very upset about the price
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  Speaker 3: of housing and specifically interest rates and how much it
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  Speaker 3: would take to be even able to enter the door.
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  Speaker 3: So to give you a good example of how dramatically
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  Speaker 3: things have changed just in the last six years, let's
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  Speaker 3: go to the next one. Goldman Saxis ran a new
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  Speaker 3: analysis for young married couples considering buying their first home.
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  Speaker 3: The average down payment is now seventy percent of annual.
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  Speaker 1: House hold income.
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  Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen, it was fifty eight percent, still way
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  Speaker 3: too high, forty five percent in the year two thousand.
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  Speaker 1: The first year mortgage.
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  Speaker 3: Payment is then about twenty five percent of that annual
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  Speaker 3: household income versus eighteen and twenty nineteen, and twenty percent
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. Now keep in mind this is just
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  Speaker 3: housing inflation, So your portion of your after tax income
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  Speaker 3: having to be spent on food, on healthcare, and let's
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  Speaker 3: childcare if you are having a child, is also dramatically inflated,
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  Speaker 3: which means that your room and your budget starts to
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  Speaker 3: approach is zero, very very very quickly. So those numbers,
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  Speaker 3: I think make it all very obvious about what's happening here.
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  Speaker 3: Like we have a massive undersupply of houses. And again
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  Speaker 3: I'm not one of these people who's like, oh, let's
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  Speaker 3: build glass or anything. I think we should probably make
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  Speaker 3: it to the FEDS grant huge. They we give huge
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  Speaker 3: grants state by state and then the states can figure
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  Speaker 3: it out. Texas has, by the way, done a very
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  Speaker 3: good job of this. It's not all just glass. If
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  Speaker 3: you go down to you know, some of these suburbs
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  Speaker 3: or people send me pictures like from Dallas suburbs, these
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  Speaker 3: are you know, decent houses, a couple hundred thousand dollars,
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  Speaker 3: nothing crazy. It's also you know, something you can actually own,
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  Speaker 3: place to park your car, decent lawn, couple of bedrooms.
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  Speaker 3: That's all anybody really needs, right and so you can
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  Speaker 3: see and that's all. It's like, that's the other thing
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  Speaker 3: people are not desiring like multi mc mansions or.
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  Speaker 1: Any of that.
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  Speaker 3: I really don't think people are being all that unreasonable.
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  Speaker 3: The only reason that the McMansions get built because the
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  Speaker 3: rich people, the people who buy houses, and the boomers
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  Speaker 3: and all these other people. Apparently, even though you have
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  Speaker 3: no children at home, they're like, oh, I have to
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  Speaker 3: have a seven bedroom house in case my grandchildren come
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  Speaker 3: to visit at Christmas. This is the stuff that you
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  Speaker 3: hear from this crowd. But currently what we see right
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  Speaker 3: now see five for example. Can we put this on
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  Speaker 3: the screen? I thought this was a good article just
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  Speaker 3: to show the scale of the problem. Experts currently say
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  Speaker 3: the US needs between two million to twenty million to fix.
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  Speaker 5: The current we've narrowed that down to underscoring the challenge
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  Speaker 5: of meaning.
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  Speaker 3: So I look because you're you know, like they point
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  Speaker 3: to the the Goldman Sax analysis that puts a number
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  Speaker 3: three million. Zillo's estimate tops four million, Brookings projects five million,
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  Speaker 3: McKenzie says eight million. Meanwhile, congressional Republicans say the shortfall
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  Speaker 3: is twenty million, and so economists who contend that there's
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  Speaker 3: no and then there are quote economists contend there's no
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  Speaker 3: shortage at all, and you know, this is one where
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  Speaker 3: we have one hundred and forty six million homes, eight
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  Speaker 3: point one million are doubled up households, people sharing space
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  Speaker 3: with non relatives, three point four million vacant homes available
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  Speaker 3: to rent it buy. This is probably the misallocation stuff,
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  Speaker 3: though a lot of that is going to be a
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  Speaker 3: more undesirable area, So the desirable areas, high cost of
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  Speaker 3: living areas have a massive shortage this. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 3: it's just one of those where we have to figure
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  Speaker 3: out interest rates, affordability and being able to buy housing.
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  Speaker 3: Which there's no way the free market can solve this.
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  Speaker 3: It will take massive government intervention period, end of story.
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  Speaker 3: There's just no getting around it.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things they point to in that article too,
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  Speaker 2: a part of why they think economists they're making the
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  Speaker 2: case that economists sometimes underestimate the housing need is because
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  Speaker 2: you have doubled up households, like soar Or is talking about,
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  Speaker 2: where the assumption is kind of like, well, if they
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  Speaker 2: could afford it, they probably would rather live on their
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  Speaker 2: have their own home. Not in all cases, but in
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  Speaker 2: many cases they would prefer to have their own space.
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  Speaker 2: And then you also have a comparatively high percentage of
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  Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty four year olds who continue to
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  Speaker 2: live in their parents' home. So, in twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 2: eighteen percent of adults twenty five to thirty four still
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  Speaker 2: living in their parents' home. It's compared to eight percent
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  Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies, according to a Pew Research Center report.
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  Speaker 2: So when you have that high level of housing costs
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  Speaker 2: in housing stress, you're naturally going to see more and
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  Speaker 2: more young professionals. I mean, thirty four years old is
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  Speaker 2: not old eye, Young thirty four year olds who are
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  Speaker 2: still living with mom and dad because that is the
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  Speaker 2: best financial option for them and nothing else may be
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  Speaker 2: even possible at that phase in their life.
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  Speaker 1: Turning thirty four this year, and I already feel old. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I agree, I agree.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go Okay, final thing. You can already guess where
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  Speaker 3: I'm going with this. Red state, Blue state. We are
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  Speaker 3: united in one goal. Let's put C six up here
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  Speaker 3: on the screen. As the world crumbles, as the price
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  Speaker 3: of everything skyrockets, what are these people focused on?
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  Speaker 1: Governor Greshen Whitmer.
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  Speaker 3: With property taxes going up year after year, Michigan seniors
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  Speaker 3: deserve stability. They've worked hard and earned the right to
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  Speaker 3: relief in their golden years. She continues, that is why
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  Speaker 3: I am proposing property tax relief for three hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty five thousand seniors, saving households of an average of
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  Speaker 3: three hundred and forty five dollars a year by refunding
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  Speaker 3: ten percent of their property tax. That's money back in
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  Speaker 3: their pockets to pay bills and to put food on
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  Speaker 3: the table.
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  Speaker 1: Now, look, three hundred and forty five bucks.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, it's that's like one trip to the grocery store,
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  Speaker 3: but it's the principle. First of all, the state controller
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  Speaker 3: already says you shouldn't do this because you're in shortfall
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  Speaker 3: or overall budget. But second, this is ninety million dollars
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  Speaker 3: explicitly written in the budget for seniors to make it
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  Speaker 3: so that they don't have to pay as much of
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  Speaker 3: their property tax. I'm sick of this bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: You cut.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen this so many viral tweets.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody recently put it up. My dad, who's you know,
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  Speaker 3: on only on social Security.
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  Speaker 1: He can't afford the property tax payment anymore. It's eight
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Somebody did the math.
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  Speaker 3: He's sitting on a one point six million dollar house. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, fuck, you actually sell it?
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
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  Speaker 3: Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps. You should have
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: planned bender for finance for your retirement. So now if
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: you don't have the money to pay for it, you
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: could sell it to somebody and then not only could
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: you pay it, you could make sure and you could
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: buy yourself a nice little condo in Boca Ratona, Florida,
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: and live very comfortably for the rest of your life.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: It's like, why are we deluding ourselves into thinking that
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: this is some great crisis?
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: And yet Texas, Michigan, Florida.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you almost every state in the country
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: is moving towards either zero property tax. Zero is the worst,
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: but I mean, or maybe I'm not so sure. Carve
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: out for boomer is also really bad. But Colorado, even
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: that you know the tweet that they were talking about,
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: they have a property tax allocation there specifically already written
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: out for boomers. It's like this, it's literally age discrimination
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: in the opposite direction of where it is needed. And nobody,
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: nobody has the courage to actually speak out and not
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: only defend the mechanism of a property tax, but specifically
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: to talk. And yes, I know it's uncomfortable to say
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: that churn in the housing market is important and good
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: in order to make sure that inventory turns. We know
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: this whenever it comes to retail. We know this whenever
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: it comes to any other business sector. This is the
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: one where we decide that there's an age exemption. And again,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: it discriminates against the people who aren't even doing anything.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and even I mean it's also it's also
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: class war because if you're giving these benefits to property owners,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: those are just proparsially going to be better off people
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: than more the renter class.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: And then what are you doing.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: That's tax revenue that's not coming in to go to
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: the universally used programs, the school's, the roads, the fire department,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: the police department, all of those things that you know,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: the commune and the state has to fund and everybody
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: benefits from. So you know, it's it's yeah, it's and
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: it goes back to Trump's view, his NIMBI view of
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: like we got to raise the housing prices. The reason
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: that politicians go in this direction is not because this
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: is like the best use of money or is going
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: to benefit the most people.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: Or the most advantageous. It has nothing to do with that.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: It's because this group of people property own home owning
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: boomers are very, very politically powerful. They are important to
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: the base of both parties, and so they get super served.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. And apparently, you know, this is another
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: problem for Michigan. I was talking to somebody, I go, dude,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: what's going on here? Like, why is Whitmer doing this?
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: They go, oh, man, Michigan actually has a very elderly population. Well,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: guess what, guys, this causes brain drain. So if you
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: don't have a decent economy or if you have something
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: that's coninue to go down, the state is working largely
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: on behalf.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Let's say, of the elderly property owning class, what are
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: what are the young people going to do?
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: They're gonna move, They're going to leave, and then your
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: economy is going to continue to dwindle.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, especial drobbing, like the school system exactly
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: to give boomer property homeowners shacksbury.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, And so this is the world Like, this
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: is not a way to protect your state. If anything,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: you're setting yourself up for failure and making sure that
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: you're going to remain non competitive, but look, this are
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: the people work for and we are doomed to this
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: for a while. All right, let's get to the Olympics,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: So, continuing this week of breaking points, sports coverage had
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: to take a look at what was happening at the Olympics.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: IRE found that really funny because it's definitely not our
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: specialty anyway. You've had a bunch of American Olympic athletes
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: who have been speaking out in relatively frankly mild ways,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: clearly uncomfortable with a lot of what is going on
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: with the Trump administration, specifically probably with regard to Ice.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I think it's fair to read into a lot of
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: these comments. The person who could kicked this off is
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: a skier named Hunter has But there were some other
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: athletes that had follow on comments when they were asked
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: about it. Let's go ahead and take a listen to
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: some of those comments.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: It brings up makes emotions to represent the US right now,
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: I think it's a little hard. There's obviously a lot
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: going on that I'm not the biggest fan of, and
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: I think a lot of people aren't. If it aligns
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: with my moral values, I feel like I'm representing it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: Just because I'm wearing the flag doesn't mean I represent
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: everything that's going on in the US.
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: It's been a hard time for the community overall under
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: this administration. It isn't the first time that we've had
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: to come together as a community and try and fight
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: for our human rights, and now especially it's not just
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: affecting the queer community, but many other communities. I know
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: that a lot of people say, you're just an athlete,
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: like stick to your job, shut up about politics, but
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: politics affect us all. It is something that I will
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: not just be quiet about because it is something that
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: affects us in our everyday lives.
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: I feel heartbroken about what's happened in the United States
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: when it you know, I'm pretty sure sure you're referencing
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: Ice and some of the protests and things like that.
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: I think that as a country, we need to focus
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: on respecting everybody's rights and making sure that we're treating
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: our citizens as well as anybody with love and respect.
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: And I hope that when people look at athletes compete
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: in the Olympics, they realize that that's the America that
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: we're trying to represent.
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: The parents being immigrants. This one definitely heads pretty close
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: to close to home. And I think in moments like these,
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: it is really important for us to unite and kind
• 20:35
  Speaker 9: of stand up for one another for all that's going on.
• 20:39
  Speaker 9: And I think that I'm really proud to represent the
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: United States. It's the US has given my family and
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: I so much opportunity. But I also think that we
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: are allowed to voice our opinions on what's going on.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: All right, so relatively, in my opinion, mild comments in
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: any case, Q the total freak own from everybody from
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the President on down on the on the right, We've
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: got D three. You can put Trump's truth social up
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: on the screen here. In response, I think specifically to
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Hunter Hess, he says US Olympics gier Hunter hes a
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: real loser, says he doesn't represent his country in the
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: current Winter Olympics. If that's the case, he shouldn't have
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: tried down for the team, and it's too bad.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: He's on it very hard. You root for someone like this.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: Make America Great Again voice is getting better.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: My Trump voice is an impression of Kyle doing his
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: impression of Trump. So it's it's not great, But you know,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I feel like when you're reading his words, you kind
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: of got to give it.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: A little bit of the trump y ibor I like
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: it in any case.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Senator Rick Scott weighed in, this is d zero guys
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: with a similar sentiment saying they should be pulled from
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: the team. How dare they speak against the great us
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: of a let's listen to that one.
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: Any person who goes the Olympics to represent the United
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: States and then says they don't want to represent the
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: United States should be immediately stripped of the Olympic niform.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Immediately stripped of the Olympic uniform. And I mean, my
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: commentary on this is very obvious, Sager, like, one of
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the great things about the United States America you have
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: free speech, and just because you criticize the government, it's
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: giving me like War on Terror flashbacks, where like if
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: you don't love what George W.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: Bush is, you hate our troops, you hate America, and
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: blah blah blah, you're not.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: A patriot like you're supposed to be able to be
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: critical of the government. That's fine, that doesn't mean you
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: hate the country and you don't want to represent the country.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: And then the other piece that like, I don't know
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: is sort of driving me crazy, is who is stripping
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: It's not like the government even supports them to go
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: to the Olympics. I'll get to that, right, So, like,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: who is stripping them of their ability to be there
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and compete? The whole thing is absurd. It's a total
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: freak ount. It reminds me of the Super Bowl freak ount,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Like complete snowflake, fake outrage behavior here from the right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I feel very similarly, and I feel actually very similar
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl halftime show. It reminds me of
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: a conversation which I once had. I won't name the government,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: but I once had a very interesting dinner with a
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: very senior government official of a foreign country, and this
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: country was pursuing a lot of censorship against critics, and
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: they were asking me what I thought about it, and
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I said, well, with great respect, great countries don't care
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: what other people have to say. Great countries are confident
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: in who they are enough to the point where is
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: anyone shocked that an upper middle class white skier is
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: a lib Like that's the least shocking thing of literally
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: of all time. That would be like if I told
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: you your average NFL athlete is like a mid tier
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk conservative conservative. Well, well yeah, the white well
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: actually a lot of the black ones too, actually got
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: it shockingly enough. But anyway, my point is just like, wow,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: what an absolute shocker.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know why this.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Really does I don't know why this this really does
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: not offend me at all. I mean, I get where
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: some people are coming from. There is a liberal tendency
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: to pretend like you're James Baldwin and be like, I
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: love my country so much.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I'm going to criticize it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: It's like, no, you actually hate like a very large
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: part of the entire country and don't really believe in
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: many of the founding ethos or believe in its greatness.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: So I understand where many right wingers are coming from,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: because there is a general tendency of a lot of
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: left wingers who owed that belief I think pretty structurally
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: and fundamentally. I'll give you an example. Yeah, because this
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: is also tied into the press. The press loves this shit.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: By the way, a lot of the athletes have even complained,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: They're like, we didn't come here to talk about this,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: you asked us, and we're asking we're giving you our opinion,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: does the press care. For example, Eileen Gou, who is
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: an American born who's competing for the Chinese. She's a
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: trader in my opinion, Nobody asked her shit about what's.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Going on with Jimmy Lai in Hong Kong.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Because you know why, she would literally lose, Like their
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: government actually does control what they do. That's why I
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: think we're better than the Chinese system. But there is
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: a structural disadvantage with our press where nobody apparently asked that.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Everyone's like, oh, hey, you're literally a trader to the
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: the United States and you're competing for a foreign government,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: and even though you've benefited and are funded like millions
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: of dollars here, and we're all just okay with that.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: So that's like a press criticism and not of the
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: athletes themselves. There's also the Olympics criticism here, where again
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I actually was not even aware of this, So can
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: we put up this?
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Where is it? D six?
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I didn't even know that we don't fund our Olympics,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: So then a lot of this is actually moved Apparently
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: again I'm ignorant. It is fully funded by corporate sponsorships
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: and private donations. So irl then yeah, they literally can't
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: say whatever they want. Okay, And apparently I was the
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: only fool who wasn't belief, who was under the belief
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: that the government had some role in Team USA.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I guess we just adopt Team USA. But it becomes
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: its own thing.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: So obviously we should have no say over what these
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: athletes are saying, especially if they're especially if they're not
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: funded or supported by the taxpayer.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: In any way.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Again, I'm not going to sit here and say, let's
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: just say, for example, because there's been a lot of discourse,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: they're like, oh, they that they're just upset for love
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: and everybody knows what they're talking about. If in June
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: of twenty twenty, I said all lives matter, you know
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, So like there's let's not
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: pretend that there isn't subtext there. Oh, how could you
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: disagree with that? You know exactly what the fuck I'm
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: trying to say. So, like, let's not bullshit about.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: The actual Yeah, there's definitely a political context.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: That's what this is about.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Although it is I mean, the things they're saying are
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: it's funny always funny to me how athletes and celebrities
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: are judged by this different standard where they'll say like
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the most mild thing possible, and it's like, oh my god, right,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: and that's sort of how I feel about this. They're like, yeah,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not really that comfortable with everything that's going on,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: and you know, I think we should have compassion for
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: each other.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: And it's like, oh, this is crazy.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: That they know what that means, like all lives, you
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: know what happens.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I get what you're saying. There's obviously political context there.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what we talked about with Bad Bunny too.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Rite sure his performance was obviously political. There's no doubt
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: that it's political. The other thing that I would say, though,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: to your point about like, oh, you know, it's no
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: surprise that upper middle class or upper class white Libs
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: are critical of the Trump administration.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: But I think what is noteworthy is Number one, just
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: the sheer number of them who are saying adding the
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: body things the press. So many of the like you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: the Australian, but none of the Americans there said ship
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: about ship, right, So the number of them that are
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: saying anything to me is uh, noteworthy number two. Look,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: we look at the polling, like, it's not just white
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Libs who feel this way. I mean, this is an
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: overwhelming sentiment among Americans, you know, outside of like hardcore MAGA,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: there's a lot and even there.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: New York Times just did a big.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: You know, focus group with a bunch of the Trump
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: voters that they've stayed in touch with, and a number
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: of them are like, I'm not really I feel like
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: there's an assault on the Second Amendment going on. I
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: feel like there's a solo First Amendment going on. I
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: support the idea of getting immigrants out, but I'm not
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: sure how things are going. So, you know, I also
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: don't want to pretend like, yes, these are mostly like
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: white upper class or upper middle class people who are
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: saying this, But their sentiment is also very reflective of
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: what's going on in the country. And I think that's
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: part of why we can put some of the D four,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: we can put some of the different reactions up on
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the screen here, just to get a sense. We've got
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Megan Kelly another turncoat to root against, We've got I
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: think we've got Byron Donald's here. You chose to wear
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: our flag. You chose to repros in our country. That's
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: too hard for you. Go home, blah blah blah. You
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: can continue rolling them here. But you know, I think
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: part of why you are having this like meltdown, freak
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: count moment with regard to the super Bowl and with
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: regard to this is because there is a sense of
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: sort of fragility where if you felt very confident, like
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Maggie's got the vibes and we're winning and everybody loves us,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: et cetera, it'd be easier just to kind of brush.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: The point, yeah, whatever, a weakness is that if you're
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: that's right, If you're so butt hurt about some skier
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: who says I'm semi conflicted about wearing the flag like
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: you have, you're beyond loss.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, you have no idea what you are in.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: For, And I mean that's kind of the way I'm
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: operating from is that you can see very clearly that
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: there is a massive political backlash and that this kind
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: of behavior is that of a losing of a movement,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: and not only losing movement culturally, which is somehow downward
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: after a year ago being in a like a generally
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: pretty like heights literally right, and it was like a
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: total cultural revolution. Fumbling the bag on that one has
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: got to be well studied in the history books.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: But that's that was my point.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Is when I when I talked to that foreign official
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: and they were defending this, that you don't understand our politics,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: and I said, no, I do.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I just think you're acting like a little bit.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Basically, I was like, I think that you're very not
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: I said, you're very You're not confident in who you are,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: and your lack of confidence is coming across to me
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: and to the entire world. It's so fragile that you
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: can't allow any criticism. Yeah, that's basically how I feel
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: about these people. I don't need to agree with my
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: athletes about anything. I think it's great every single one
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: of them wins a gold medal.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: That is a Is that a nuanced view? Right? At
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the same time, I do recognize that.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: There is a very annoying tendency of the modern left
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: to where only patriotism is when you are critical of it,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: is that everything must be couched in nuance?
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Is that?
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: And while look blind, patriotism has plenty of its own problems. Again,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: just like if with all lives matter, everyone knows exactly
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. Yeah, sixteen nineteen Project DEI is
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: a core basis.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I don't even know that you disagree with the sentiments
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: or expressed. What do you mean you what do you
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: disagree with anything they say?
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: Though?
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Well, if you were to ask me what makes me
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: not proud to be an American? Sure that I stuff
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: would definitely be part of it. I would talk to
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: let's much more of the structural, degenerate parts of our society, right,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: so I could give you a great I.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Mean, I'm not proud to be I'm just saying, like,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: you don't even really disagree with what they're saying.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, and that is it?
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: That is you mean?
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I mean any of this? Do you disagree with any
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: of the sentiments that they're expressing you?
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: And they're pretty like mild Like the gay.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, actually, I forgot to get to that one, because
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: the idea that this is some horrible time for gay
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: people is literally bullshit. Okay, so everybody knows what she's
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: trying to say, which is about trans people and in
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: particular trans children. And no, I'm not going to cry
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: tears because nine year olds can't get puberty blockers. So
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: let's be very clear about what that one is saying.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: So that was the only one, as you could tell,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: that's the only one that actually made me.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Mad, because it's ridiculous.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: It's completely ridiculous that will gay people are being hunted
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: in the streets.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: But there's they've definitely been made a target. Both people. Yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: both those were absolutely.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Both rhetorically and through and through legislation. There's certainly been
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: escapegoating of trans people in particular.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: But gay people, I mean, they're are moving the goal post.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: There's plenty of an attempt to roll you actually brought
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: a trust whatever there's that's what hold back gay marriage.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: There's going to overturn thing.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: It's not in any case, in any case. With the
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Ice commentary, I don't even think you disagree with their sentiment.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: But my you know, my bottom line here is for
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: all the people who are like, I'm going to root
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: against them because I disagree with their political take. Like
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: to me, that feels an American like that you have
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: to agree with every political sentiment that is expressed with someone.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: To test the moral purity.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Let's say that there are many liberal chiefs fans who
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: root against Harrison, Butker who is massively pro life, who
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: stands with Trump. Every time that guy misses a field goal,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: that lives cheer across.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: But that's different than Team USA.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: No, I agree with you, but that's that's like, you know,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: there not to cheer for that team.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: But the chiefs fans I have seen who are like,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: fuck Harrison Bucker because of his political beliefs. Again, is
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: there going to be any real consistency on behalf of
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: the If we had a deeply conservative Olympian who was like,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: I love Trump and I support Ice, everyone will be
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: rooting against him. Let's not lie, all right, Like, let's
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: be very honest about how everybody would also react.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: So I'm not going to grant someone.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: But what I wish, but I would not say I
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: would not say that that person should be like they
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be allowed to compete and they should be stripped
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: of their like Olympic status.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Now currently, I would hope that maybe that that would
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: that that would hold up. Again, it's unfalsifiable, I don't know,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: but it's one of those where when I look at
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: this entire thing, I see weakness from bad Bunny to
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: the way that they have reacted, by the way that's
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: the other problem. It's not like Hunter hess was like
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: he didn't say anything all that provocative. He like you
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: just said he was trying to talk frankly in a
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: very like mealy mouthed way and trying to like give
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: a bar. He's like, well, should be comfortable acknowledge a
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: full blown meltdown over something like that, Like you look
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: like a little bitch, and like that's generally how look.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: I see deep weakness in the way that people have
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: reacted to this. I also think that any purity test
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: for athletes, like yeah, I can sit here and criticize
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Eileen Goo, but you know, I mean, what's so different
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: if our lawmakers, like if she can't say anything about
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Jimmy Lai and we can, you know, our athletes are
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: going to say something and then lawmakers all the way
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: up to the top or say they should be removed.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, what, you know, we don't have a lot
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: of standards like here to be sitting on. In fact,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: that's one of the often one of the one of
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: the conservative critiques. You don't go on foreign soil to
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: trash America and that America's held to a higher standard,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: which it obviously is. No one's asking Iranian Olympics how
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: they feel about the protests. If they say something, they'll
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: be killed, you know. If you ask somebody from if
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: you ask somebody from a lot of these authoritarian countries
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: how they feel, and they express a distant in view.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Remember North Korea and their whole soccer team situation, like
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: they had a real problem if you get embarrassed on
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: the world stage. So there are real examples where it's
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: actually disastrous to speak out. If anything, it's kind of
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: a privilege of the United States where the worst you're
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: going to get is a bad tweet from the government.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: They can't really do anything to.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean they did like arrest people for
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: writing op eds.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: But I don't think that these.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think the people they are in danger of.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're in danger.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Hunter, he is not going to be jailed, killed.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: He'll probably make a shitload of money off of sponsorships
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: and he'll be fine and most of the you know,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: I mean literally, we are a country which allows traders
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: to go and represent a four compete for a foreign government,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: and then we still allow her back in and massively
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: and richer. Apparently everybody's like fine with that. I think
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: that's bullshit.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: By the way, here's the other thing is Trump is
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: extremely critical of the US all the time. I am too,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: extremely critical of the US all the time, and on
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: foreign's oil and all of those things. And it's part
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: of the reason why he was appealing to begin with,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: because he was willing to say like, hey, things are
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: not got you know, American carnage, Like things are not
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: going well here.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: So in any case, that's a freaga out. There's one
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: last piece.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Dimension here, which is that the US made the decision
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: to send some ice agents to the Winter Olympics is
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: five to supposedly provide security. Like I don't know why
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: you would choose ice agents. It's not really what they're
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: meant to be doing. But there have been huge protests
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: in Italy over the presence of these ice agents. There
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: have been you know, the protests aren't just about that,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: but that's part of what is fueling that. So you
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: know this own uh, I think in this context to
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: your point, soccer political game being played here from the
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: from the.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Trumpentially something Italians worry about your own fucking country, Like
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, like this annoys the crap.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: But now this is in their country.
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: But.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Our politics is so annoying. My wife is abroad right now.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: The amount that these foreigners pay it like.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I totally disagree with this because I know soccer, we
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: have so much impact on the whole world. Like of course,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: of course people around the globe care about what happened.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: I don't want to listen to these intellient You guys
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: are literally your GDP is nothing.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: You're you make that no?
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I mean again, think of the way you like much
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: this country, threatening Greenland and whatever like. Of course they
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: have to pay attention to our politics. Can give them
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: no other choice.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: But you know, protesting around ice like Jesus Christ, like
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: you people have so many bigger structural issues. If anything,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: the reason you're in that position is because you're so
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: obsessed with us as the global superpower, trying to become yourself.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Well within their rights to protest Trump secret police coming
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: to your country and you know, unaccountable question of rights, No,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: you know, total impunity, secret police coming to your country.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Which by resembles which is what does that police force resemble?
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Oh right, European police forces which again no due process,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: no rights, no First Amendment.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up. If you live over there.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: You people literally basically already live in the exact stating system,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: and they're trying to criticize us.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, like, I'm.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: Not going maybe they're.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I don't want any No, they're not. They live, they
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: love it, they love their censorship regime. These these are
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: the biggest hypocrites on the planet. So that's the one
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: thing I will I will stand for my countrymen who
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: criticize us.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I will not stand for these Europeans.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: When you send ice to a foreign country, the people
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: in that country are allowed to protest, Sure.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: They get protest, but you basically live under this the
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: same occupied regime, except you have no due process, no
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: system to actually do anything about that.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Most of the murdering Italians in the streets.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Listen, they once did. All right, where do you think
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: it all originates?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but in the modern era, do we have the
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: level of age to stand from the Italian police as
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: we do?
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Do you really think they have a moral like to
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: stand on in terms of we're talking about comparing we're
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: talking full history.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah we should.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, they have to be invented in period. They have
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: to constantly atone for the sins.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: Of their grandfathers. Okay, all right, let's talk about slavery.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Are fine. I've told you I've been toying with the
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: idea of jer.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: You're sixteen, nineteen pilled now, it's.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Not that I've been toying with the idea of of
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: like collective guilt in an interesting way, which I'm sure people.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Will get all Panna Jones on first with you. People
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: will get Ebram x Kenny on to talk with you.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: I like you see that over.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Last, I see it differently, and then that's that's the
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: whole point. But that's that's a different conversation.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Let's find some common ground on hatred of our AI overlords.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Here horrifying story from Reuters, and kudos to them for
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: doing the digging into this.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: So they say, as AI.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Enters, the operating room reports a rise of botch surgeries
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: and misidentified body parts. So the background here is that
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: obviously you have AI now is the new hot way
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: to grow your company, including medical device companies. So you
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: have companies trying to push these devices into the market.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: You have an FDA that has been degraded drastically by DOGE,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: and patients now basically being used as guinea pigs. So
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: let me give you some of the specifics here from
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: this article. Let's put this first piece up on the screen.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: They found that at least ten people were injured between
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: late twenty twenty one and November twenty twenty five, according
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: to reports, most allegedly involved errors in which the True
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Diagnavigation system misinformed surgeons about the location of their instruments
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: while they were using them inside patients' heads during operations. Obviously,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: the company denies any wrongdoing. Put the next one up
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: on the screen here, they say cerebrospinal fluid reportedly leaked
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: from one patient's nose. In another reported case, a surgeon
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: mistakenly punctured the base of a patient's skull. Into other cases,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: patients each allegedly suffered strokes after a major artery was
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: accidentally injured. But the next one up on the screen
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: received reports involving dozens of other AI enhanced devices, including
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: a heart monitor said to have overlooked abnormal heart beats
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: and an ultrasound device that allegedly misidentified fetal body parts.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: So in one of the examples that they identified here,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: first of all, the doctor had a consulting contract with
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the company that makes this device, so you inherently have
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: questions about a conflict of interest in the doctor choosing
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: to use this technology. To start with, what they talk
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: about here is the patient was being treated for chronic sinociitis.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: The procedure involves it's a relatively non invasive procedure, should
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: be sort of a cut and dry, relatively straightforward. They
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: inflate a balloon inside your sinus cavity to create additional space.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: But the allegation is that.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: This technology, because it did not properly inform the surgeon
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: where their medical instruments were, that they accidentally nicked an
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: artery that goes to the brain, caused a stroke, and
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: there were a couple strokes that they identified because that
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: they're attributing to this technology. Again, the company to denies
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: that it is ultimately their fault. But you know, to me, Soccer,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: the bigger story is we have put E five up
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: on the screen. We had this doze assault on the FDA.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Some of the I remembers talking about this at the time.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: About fifteen of the forty AI scientists in the special
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: unit that had been spent up in the FDA to
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: evaluate exactly these types of devices were laid off or
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: opted to go another unit. The crafted policy on devices
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: using AI. The Digital Health Center of Excellence loss about
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: a third of its staff around thirty So they are overwhelmed.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: And what the device makers try to do in order
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: to avoid like a lengthy evaluation process is they'll say, oh,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: this is just like this other device that's already on
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: the market, We've just updated it.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: But the update may be.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Completely changing the way the device works and implementing AI,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: whereas the device previously did not have that. And so
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of these devices are sort of getting approved
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: with relatively minimal scrutiny, and all of this is being
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: done at an FDA that's completely overwhelmed.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not only regulatory, it is really just like
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: the runaway nature of the way that these people are
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: rulling stuff out. And you know, you pointed out this
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: these concrete ones, but just at a very basic level.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Remember the promise here was they were going to cure cancer.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: That was the promise. And by the way, if anyone's
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: watching the pit, there's a good there's a good plotline
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: currently of a doctor who's pushing generative AI, which immediately
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: runs into problems in the actual er. I thought it
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: was a good like artistic representation of some of the
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: way that this is currently already happening in medicine. Let's
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: put E six up here on the screen. I love
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: this piece, which was this author. Let chatchebt analyze a
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: decade of Apple Watch data. Then called his doctor, said,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Chattabt says it can now answer personal questions about your
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: help and fitness trackers. The new chapter do You Help
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: says it can help you understand patterns over time, not
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: just moments of illness.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: So with my ten.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Years of Apple Watch data, I uploaded it and asked
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: the grade. Asked the bot to grade my cardiac health.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: It gave me an F.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: I freaked out and went for a run. I sent
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: the report to my actual doctor.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Am I an F?
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: My doctor said no, In fact, I am at such
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: low risk for a heart attack my insurance probably would
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: not even pay for an extra cardiovascular fitness test to
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: prove that the artificial intelligence is wrong. I then showed
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: the results to a renowned cardiologist and he said, quote,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: it's baseless. This is not ready for any medical advice period.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: So there you go.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: In terms of what our initial diagnoses and all of
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: that are well and he.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: Would keep asking it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: You go back and be like, okay, evaluate it now,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: and they'd be like, you get a B. Evaluate it, now,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: you get a D. Evaluate it, now, you get an F.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Like it was the same data, asking the exact same question.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Getting everything from a B to an F. I believe
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: was the range.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think we needed stuff to
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: be banned.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Like I really have come around to much more ludite
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: v you where any image generation ban it? What social
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: benefit could come from that? Whenever it comes to medicine,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: you've got to prove it before.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: You can use it.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Like that's one of those where I'm going to treat
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: it like a drug trial, which I know that everybody
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: you know, there's pharma and all this has criticizes it,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: and fine, I agree, if anything, it's probably too corrupt
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: and not more you know, available for scrutiny. But I
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: think it's got to be drug trial related where unless
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: you can until you can prove with explicit patient consent
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: and everything that over a long period that you've worked
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: out all the kinks that you've you know, made and
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: redone developments and triple quadruple tested it, it should not
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: be able to be used in the format that we're
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: currently looking at, because you know, you're playing with people's
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: lives here, and I'm somewhat sympathetic, like, you know, there's
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: a ton of human error too.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I recently saw this thing.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: There's a new study that when cardiologists conferences are happening
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: and you go into the hospital, that you are more
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: likely to live. And the reason why is that the
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: cardiologists are the people who are like approaching you in
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: the car the senior cardiologist is out of town.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Is because they do things.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Kind of the old way, and that the newer doctors
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: will do something it's either in the new way or
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: they won't apply like the stuff that's more routine. And
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh wow, well that's a real argument
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: for disruption and all of that intical education, and that
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: definitely is something that's like a product of human error.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: But I don't think that this is the answer. You
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: need a more rigorous culture or something.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I missed when I was I missed when I was
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: just enthusiastic about new technological development, Like I miss that.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: And the reason that I don't have that now is
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: not because I don't think that the AI development has promised.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I do think it has potential and promise to improve
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: people's lives. It's because we don't have a political system
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: that is going to do anything other than, like, you know,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: use it to further and misery, to extract profits and
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: you know, funnel power and wealth to the top. So
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: for me, it's obviously there's serious technological issues and questions,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: et cetera that we talk about on this show, But
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: the bigger problem for me is a political problem. It's
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: an ownership problem as well, because if you have this technology,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: which is if it's nearly as powerful as they're projecting,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: in the hands of a few, that is inherently an issue.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: But to that point of the political problem, put the
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: E seven B up on the screen. I mean, this
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: is just like Lotus Health. This company has just raised
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: thirty five million dollars for an AI doctor that will
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: see patients for free.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: And the way they're pitching.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: This is basically like, look, you can get your enter
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: your information, our AI doctor will diagnose you, it can
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: write prescriptions, et cetera. And at the very end, we're
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: gonna have a real doctor come in and just make
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: sure that it's okay. So it's not completely, you know,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: free of doctors. And then you ask, okay, well what's
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: the profit model, And of course what they're looking at
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: right now they're saying, oh, we're not going to worry
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: about that. But what they're looking at is paid sponsorships.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: So you're going to be I mean, we already have
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: this system where pharmaceutical big Pharma CA and averdel oh
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: ask your doctor blah blah blah blah. Now we're talking
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: not integrating that directly into the medical care that you're
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: receiving from.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: An AI doctor. And no one would want this.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: If we had a healthcare of free healthcare like the
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: rest of the developed world, this would not be money day,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: it would not be appealing, et cetera. But because we
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: have this screwed up political system, screwed up healthcare system,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: you know, I can absolutely see that I understand why
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: they're able to raise thirty five million dollars where I
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: can see why this could get traction because if you
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: have no other alternative, then yeah, you're going to go
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: to the AI doctor and watch the pharma ads and
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: you know, hope that cross your fingers and hope it
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: works out.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I think very very true all right, thank
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: you guys so much for watching. We appreciate it. Let's
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: get to our guests. Who's going to talk about Sudan.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: So, as you know, on the show, we've been covering
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: the war in Sudan, which is both a civil war
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: spilling into a regional war. It is a proxy war,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: and it is also creating the worst humanitarian crisis on
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: the entire planet. Our next guest has been focused on
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: that aspect, in particular, Nathaniel Raymond as the executive director
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: of the Humanitarian Research Lab at Yale School of Public Health,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: and he joins us, now, welcome, so great to have you.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: It's good to be here. Thank you.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, So you're out with this new report.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Let's put f two up on the screen here, guys,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: about the extensive use of what are called suicide drones.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: You said you've identified fifty one suicide drones loitering munitions
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: at a new launch point. Could you break down the
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: research that you have discovered here and why this is
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: significant to the current state of the war in Sudan.
• 49:35
  Speaker 11: So, the warren Sudan is basically a fight between the
• 49:39
  Speaker 11: Sudan armed forces, the Army of Sudan, and a paramilitary
• 49:43
  Speaker 11: group called the Rapid Support Forces, which is basically an
• 49:46
  Speaker 11: ethnic militia from the western part of the country in Darfur,
• 49:50
  Speaker 11: and the United Arab Emirates, according to US intelligence, as
• 49:55
  Speaker 11: reported by The Wall Street Journal, has been arming the
• 49:59
  Speaker 11: Rapids of Forces, especially with these what's called suicide drones
• 50:05
  Speaker 11: or loitering munitions, which are Shaheed's style delta wing, meaning
• 50:10
  Speaker 11: that they look like a v and you fire them
• 50:13
  Speaker 11: from a launcher like a slingshot, and they can go
• 50:17
  Speaker 11: between twelve to seventeen hundred kilometers and they blow up
• 50:22
  Speaker 11: on target. And right now, the Rapid Support Forces have
• 50:25
  Speaker 11: been using them to harass civilians, including a World Food
• 50:29
  Speaker 11: Program convoy, a market, and hospitals just in recent days.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: So where does the United States fit into all this, Well,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: that's a heck of a question.
• 50:38
  Speaker 11: The United States has been negotiating as part of what's
• 50:43
  Speaker 11: called the Quad a supposed humanitarian truce, but the fact
• 50:48
  Speaker 11: of the matter is that neither side has fully agreed
• 50:51
  Speaker 11: to the humanitarian truce. And at this point, there's been
• 50:55
  Speaker 11: a stunning reversal of fortune in the past three weeks
• 50:58
  Speaker 11: where Sudan arm forces really for the first time since
• 51:02
  Speaker 11: they retook the capital, has broken out of being stuck
• 51:07
  Speaker 11: in what we call a turtle a siege posture in
• 51:10
  Speaker 11: several cities, and they're now attacking the rapid support forces,
• 51:14
  Speaker 11: meaning that they have no reason to agree to a
• 51:18
  Speaker 11: deal right now when they are beginning to take the advantage.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and put F one up on the screen.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: This is in reference to that attack on the World
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Food Program AID convoy that.
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: You were discussing.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: So we have a statement here from the US Embassy
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: in Khartoum saying the US condemns the latest drone attack
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: that targeted a convoy of the World Food Program in
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: North Courtavan, which was transporting food supplies to people suffering
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: from famine, and resulted in the killing of one person
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: and the injury of many others. This comes to the
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: wake of an attack that occurred earlier this week in
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Blue Nile State resulted in the injury of one World
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Food Program employee. The destruction of food intended for those
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: in need and the killing of humanitarian workers is utterly reprehensible.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: The Trump administration will never tolerate the struction of lives or.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: Of US funded aid.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: We demand accountability, and we extend our deepest contoleances to
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: all those affected by these unjustified.
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: Incidents and this horrific war.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: One thing I note in the statement, and you tell
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: me if I'm reading too much into this, but they
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: don't actually name the RSF here as being the perpetrator
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: of this You know of this war crime, and it
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: seems like you know, the language is intentionally vague. You
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: talk about why why the US is sensitive to naming
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: the party to blame here in this incident.
• 52:32
  Speaker 11: I put a tweet out as soon as I saw
• 52:35
  Speaker 11: that statement, which was copied from Bulos, the Special Advisor
• 52:40
  Speaker 11: for Africa from the Trump administration, and I said, you
• 52:43
  Speaker 11: wouldn't know it from this tweet that this attack was
• 52:46
  Speaker 11: committed by the Rapid Support Forces, and so we have
• 52:51
  Speaker 11: to put this in context for your audience. In the
• 52:55
  Speaker 11: end of October, after we were monitoring the city of
• 52:59
  Speaker 11: ol Fosher, which was under siege for two and a
• 53:01
  Speaker 11: half years, we believe between sixty thousand to one hundred
• 53:05
  Speaker 11: thousand civilians or massacred inside basically a kill box an
• 53:10
  Speaker 11: earthen wall by the Rapid Support Forces in an act
• 53:14
  Speaker 11: of genocide, probably the last major killing of the Darfur genocide,
• 53:20
  Speaker 11: and so what you have to understand here is the
• 53:23
  Speaker 11: Rapid Support Forces aren't just bad guys with guns. They
• 53:26
  Speaker 11: are genocide heirs who have been killing civilians en mass
• 53:30
  Speaker 11: in civilians from the Zagawa, the Four and the Masily,
• 53:34
  Speaker 11: which are the indigenous black African Muslim tribes of the West.
• 53:41
  Speaker 11: And so the fact of the matter is that the
• 53:44
  Speaker 11: United States has made a decision, as as the United
• 53:47
  Speaker 11: Kingdom and Europe, that they've prioritized the diplomatic, economic, and
• 53:52
  Speaker 11: security relationship between the West with the UAE over the
• 53:56
  Speaker 11: lives of these people. If the West wanted to, they
• 53:59
  Speaker 11: could stop the war in about ten seconds. And that's
• 54:02
  Speaker 11: turning off the spicket of advanced weapons to the Rapid
• 54:06
  Speaker 11: Support Forces from their sponsor, which is the UAE, which
• 54:11
  Speaker 11: is a major defense partner of the United States and
• 54:14
  Speaker 11: of the United Kingdom.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Let's put F two up there on the screen.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: This was flagged for US where a new report that
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: you guys put out identify some fifty one suicide drones
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: loitering munitions at a new launch point. Can you just
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: explain the significance of some of these drones and the
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: technology that enable some of this massacre.
• 54:34
  Speaker 11: So to launch a weapon like this, you need to
• 54:36
  Speaker 11: have four things. One, you need the weapon itself, which
• 54:41
  Speaker 11: we can observe, the actual munition, which is likely consistent
• 54:51
  Speaker 11: with a Sunflower, which is a type of drone manufacturer
• 54:55
  Speaker 11: by a Chinese company called Marinco, and there's several similar types.
• 55:00
  Speaker 11: They're known as Shaheed style or Delta wing. You need
• 55:03
  Speaker 11: the launcher, the physical slingshot. You need to have a
• 55:08
  Speaker 11: ground control station in satellite uplink, and you also need
• 55:13
  Speaker 11: to have anti aircraft surfaced air missiles to protect that installation.
• 55:19
  Speaker 11: We know that they have all the above, and just
• 55:22
  Speaker 11: to put in perspective, the rapid support forces when they
• 55:25
  Speaker 11: were the John Jaweed about twenty plus years ago, had camels,
• 55:30
  Speaker 11: rusty pickup trucks, old infield rifles and really junkie AK
• 55:36
  Speaker 11: forty sevens. Now they have an air force, and they
• 55:39
  Speaker 11: have a air force that was provided to them, we
• 55:44
  Speaker 11: know from Defense Intelligence Agency and the Intelligence and Research
• 55:48
  Speaker 11: Bureau of State Department by the UAE and according to
• 55:52
  Speaker 11: the Wall Street Journal, and in that Wall Street Journal
• 55:55
  Speaker 11: article it confirms US intelligence confirms the finding of our lab.
• 56:00
  Speaker 11: These RSF forces also have advanced Chinese fixed wing drones
• 56:05
  Speaker 11: called H nine to fives which are not present in
• 56:09
  Speaker 11: that image, and so basically this in the space of
• 56:11
  Speaker 11: eighteen months, they've gone from being in the back of
• 56:14
  Speaker 11: pickup trucks to being able to fire munitions anywhere in
• 56:19
  Speaker 11: Sudan within two to three hours.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: There was a report from Reuters this morning that I
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: just saw that I wanted to get your reaction to.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: They confirmed what has been sort of rumored and you know,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: theoried in various intel circles that Ethiopia is hosting a
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: secret camp to train thousands of fighters for the RSF
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: paramilitary group in Namoring sou Dan. Reuter's reporting is found
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: the latest sign that one of the world's deadliest conflicts
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: is sucking in regional powers from Africa and the Middle East.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Can you help us understand the significance of Ethiopia getting
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: directly involved here? Why there are so many fears of
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: this war spiraling into a regional conflict, and what these
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: regional proxy powers why they have such an interest in
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: what happens in Sudan.
• 57:03
  Speaker 11: Oh, there's a lot of questions. Yeah, so I'll do
• 57:09
  Speaker 11: my best here. Yesterday I reviewed imagery related to that
• 57:17
  Speaker 11: alleged RSF base in Benny Shengele on the Ethiopian side
• 57:23
  Speaker 11: of the border, and I've been in that area before,
• 57:26
  Speaker 11: near Asaso, so I know that terrain. Well, what you
• 57:30
  Speaker 11: have to understand is that there's it's thick jungle with
• 57:34
  Speaker 11: a lot of hills, so things don't just pop up there.
• 57:38
  Speaker 11: You have to really want to build something there. And
• 57:41
  Speaker 11: we see not just in the sites that Reuter's identified,
• 57:46
  Speaker 11: but I can give you a little bit of new
• 57:48
  Speaker 11: news this morning is that we think there's additional sites
• 57:53
  Speaker 11: beyond what Reuter's identified, and we're working to verify that
• 57:57
  Speaker 11: that really start to appear mid to late October to
• 58:03
  Speaker 11: early November uh in that area, and there they appear
• 58:07
  Speaker 11: near Ethiopian National Defense Force bases.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: In that area.
• 58:13
  Speaker 11: So the big deal about this is a it shows
• 58:19
  Speaker 11: likely that Abbe, the Prime Minister of Ethiopia, is basically
• 58:26
  Speaker 11: siding with RSF. Additionally, what it shows is that the RSF,
• 58:34
  Speaker 11: as we've seen in recent days, has been trying to
• 58:38
  Speaker 11: build basically an eastern front to try to pull the
• 58:42
  Speaker 11: Sudan Armed Forces off from attacking RSF bases in Darfur
• 58:47
  Speaker 11: and trying to reclaim cities in the west. So they're
• 58:51
  Speaker 11: trying to get staff to attack towards the east so
• 58:56
  Speaker 11: they can bog them down. Why is this happening, Well
• 59:00
  Speaker 11: that as you said, you know, when people say Sudan
• 59:03
  Speaker 11: is a civil war, I bulk at that it is.
• 59:07
  Speaker 11: It is a fight of regional proxies where the main
• 59:11
  Speaker 11: victim in the battlefield are the lives and bodies of
• 59:16
  Speaker 11: Sudanese civilians.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: And like the movie die.
• 59:20
  Speaker 11: Hard, Okay, what you think is a terrorist action actually
• 59:24
  Speaker 11: is a bank robbery. And so the people who are
• 59:27
  Speaker 11: being robbed of their resources are the Sudanese people. And
• 59:32
  Speaker 11: so really Ethiopia, watch what's happening now with Eritrea. Eritrea,
• 59:38
  Speaker 11: who has sided with SATH, is now threatening action in
• 59:42
  Speaker 11: the north and to Gray and so this is all
• 59:45
  Speaker 11: part of a regional neighborhood battle by about six to
• 59:50
  Speaker 11: eight countries.
• 59:51
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Well, Nathaniel, I thank you so much for joining us this. Mary,
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: I really thank you for your work on this and
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: keeping the focus on as as you said, and as
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: I said, the worse humanitarian crisis unfolding on the planet
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: Could you let people know where.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: They can follow the reports that you're putting out in
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: the information that you're sharing.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Just type yale Hrl and Sudan into Google and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 11: Reports and it will be the first thing that pops up.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: All right, thank you so much. We're really grateful for
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: your time.