Latest / Pushin' the Cushion / Episode 7: Christopher Townsend
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- Slim Pushins: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to... Yeah. Welcome back to Pushing the Cushion. Got an awesome, awesome show tonight. ⁓ As always, my guest, the guy that does every single episode in his underwear, Corby Sherm. Christopher Townsend: ⁓ I can't. That'll be the Facebook one too. Jim Gardner: you Slim Pushins: And on the dials over there, Uncle Jim Gardner wearing his brand new t-shirt. Jim Gardner: Right? Corby Scherb: Want to I want to introduce a special guest tonight though He owed me one. I wish I got to contend this weekend for one ⁓ Man we just were not not driving right now where we're sitting out for we're gathering our thoughts right now But ⁓ we have Christopher CT Townsend on ⁓ Huge big name from down south. I know that a lot of people don't know that Texas is just like so separated a lot of times We don't even get to race together ⁓ Slim Pushins: You Christopher Townsend: Why didn't you erase? Jim Gardner: Mm-hmm. Christopher Townsend: Mm. Mm. Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: He's a kid that has a great shot at going really far. We're excited to have him on this week. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, I appreciate it. I'm kind of excited. think I really, I mean, I did a podcast like maybe when I was like nine years old, but nothing like, nothing like I haven't done one in a long time. Jim Gardner: Ha Slim Pushins: Well, we appreciate you fitness. We appreciate you finished into your media blitz after the big ⁓ weekend this weekend. I know I'm sure you're motivating factor all weekend had to have been ⁓ leading the first lap for the pushing the cushion hundred bucks. Jim Gardner: You Christopher Townsend: Okay. Corby Scherb: It's a huge win. Christopher Townsend: ⁓ Did y'all spawn? Yeah. Yeah, no, that's cool. I kind of so like I wasn't Jim Gardner: Yeah, wasted no time. Yeah, we did. So by the way, you're on the show because you led lap one, not because you won the race. Yeah. You were going to be on even if, even if you got passed late. ⁓ Cause that was the only lap that mattered. Slim Pushins: It's got nothing to do with beating 54 or something other cars. Christopher Townsend: ⁓ well, okay. Okay. Yeah. No. Well that's good. At least I did that right. Slim Pushins: It had just been really awkward having you on and then the winner at the same time. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, yeah No, like two weeks ago two or three weeks ago. We were like, man There's it well, we were gonna run the ASC show at bitten but Paducah only pulls like the next night It's like 13 cars and well, we wanted to come to vacation this week Well, Kentucky to Texas to Florida was like not gonna work so I was like we're gonna cancel that and we're gonna go run this 305 show and So I literally registered it at like 11.50 of the last night, so I had like 10 minutes before it, like they charged me an extra 100 bucks or whatever it was. And I was scrolling through and they're like, five grand a win, so was like, okay, cool. Then it was like $100 a lap. I was like, well, I mean, if I could lead like five laps at the end, I'd be pumped up to have, yeah, I'd be pumped up to have a couple of extra hundred bucks, but no. I kind of like, me and Taylor, my crew, I talked like... Slim Pushins: 30 of them. Christopher Townsend: like on the way up there and I was like, man, if it could play out perfect, I think I'd rather, it sounds crazy. I like to run like second or third, lot of the race and then like kind of like work, just either, I don't know the last couple of races I've won before this one. It's like been a late race caution and I just like sneak by and I got real lucky. But what, like now that we're talking, the rubber came in, it's hard to pass like that, like Kyle. I mean, he was probably a little better than me, with about five to go, but you can't hardly pass the guy. I mean, you really, the leader has to make a massive mistake to even capitalize. So no, I was really lucky to kind of have a perfect start there and lead all 30 laps. Corby Scherb: Wasn't a perfect start. I don't think I've ever seen a start that good from the front row outside, especially in the future right across the slick everything Christopher Townsend: Yeah, I mean John Carney inside of you ain't no joke either Yeah, no Yeah, I was um, I think I was talking I don't know who I was talking to but I was like, you know, John Carney's no joke. He's like You don't want to this claim to fame But he is the one of the best 305 racers like you want to be known kind of as a 360 or 14 guy but like any 305 racer should know John Carney is like Jim Gardner: Yeah. All right. Corby Scherb: sure. Slim Pushins: He knows the way around that place. Christopher Townsend: I mean, he's stout, like he goes through a five nationals and he's might've won one by now, but the year I went, he led the whole race and drew, he got him like what's the last slot, but John's really good. So when I like, kind of drove away from me in the dash and I don't really like to that stuff hang over my head too bad. Cause I'm like, it's eight laps. I'm not going to want my stuff up yet. And, so I just kind of tuned on a little bit and it was a little better. Yeah. Corby Scherb: Made the right calls man. That's a big win. That's that's really big big payday a lot of cars a lot of fast guys a lot of locals And like I said, I mean Kyle probably was a little bit better than you but Kyle's drove that place on in the rubber a hundred times you know and Him and then I know like Chad Wilson caught it really early you stayed you kind of rode it out on the top probably longer than anyone else but you was super safe when you got to lappers and I think it Christopher Townsend: Alright. Corby Scherb: ⁓ Me if I'm running second and I'm watching you and you're just driving by these lappers and then I catch the lappers and I'm running the same line as them you you Automatically start beating me in my head and I'm like, ⁓ shit like I need to start changing something I got to do something different and like I said, you just you you was able to go where no one else really was making it work Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah, like when we like, we like set the car down off the jack for like final before the A main and we were all talking, they're like, man, it might like late rubber. And I was like, man, I don't know. Like I hate going to racetracks and like, like thinking the rubber is going to come on my play. It just, if it comes, it comes. If it don't, it don't. I was like, I plan on beating it off the wall here for 30 laps and I'm either going to wad it up or I'm a win. It was kind of like how I thought about it. And then Ian Kennedy was like, hey, look, if you're leading this race, smell for the rubber. He's like, I think it's going to come. I was like, okay. And like, I don't know, we caught lap traffic with 15 laps in, 10 laps in maybe. And I to go slide a lap car and like, I got really tight, like through the middle. And I was like, well, there it is. And then like in a three and four, I just rolled it right to the middle. was like, yup. mean, and then from there, it was just like, I just tried to keep the car underneath me and not really. Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Slim Pushins: Thank Christopher Townsend: I mean you're still running hard but not really hard on the right rear and keeping the tires, you know, underneath you and not killing it. Corby Scherb: Yeah, 20 laps in the rubber stuff. It's tough on tires. You can blister real quick Christopher Townsend: Yeah, yeah, mine, mine, like attempted to blister like they look like a circle on each block. Corby Scherb: We give that up to Taylor. We say Taylor did that. He put his special magic on there for you. Christopher Townsend: I mean, I showed him how to groove my tire. I'm like, those 3 or 5 tires, not the RaceSaver ones, but the Hoosier RaceSaver ones, I have that thing absolutely cut up like a late model tire. That thing is in a million pieces when I get done with this. So was like, hey, look, this tire has to look just like this. And if not, I'm kind of going to be mad. But no, he did a good job. It looked really good. Slim Pushins: you Jim Gardner: Yeah. Corby Scherb: Yeah, that was cool. And I said, ⁓ I think that you owed us, you know, ⁓ I went to the Kent Lewis classic in 24 and ⁓ Started deep and knew I was coming through and ⁓ you actually like we're talking about lappers. You just you got super unlucky running someone down right in the center of the corner and ⁓ Once again, you were one of the only ones on the top and then they sent you to the tail and that was a wrap for that one Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. I kind of had a funny story about that. So that classic race gets Kent Lewis Senior Classic, right? So in the heat race, his son starts outside pulling me. I completely run over his son, like on the start, just completely run over the front end. I won the heat race. I start pole the A. I'm leading the race and I dump Kent Senior in his own race. I'm like, you idiot, what are you doing? Like you're an absolute moron. So then like I was just, I was so hot. And I actually don't even, I think Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Slim Pushins: Thank Thank Christopher Townsend: I was maybe a lap or two later and the motor got hot and I was like, done with this race, it's over. And pulled it on in. Jim Gardner: You Corby Scherb: It's just one of those nights man young and made a couple mistakes and it cost you and then you had you you Christopher Townsend: Yeah, run it. mean, when the guy, when it's his own race, you can't turn that guy around like that was. Jim Gardner: Public enemy number one Christopher Townsend Corby Scherb: Surprised they didn't just eject you from the race. Oh yeah. Christopher Townsend: What do you think about Cleveland like before you went there and then after you won? Corby Scherb: ⁓ Man I had heard So I had heard like horror stories about it, you know, it's kind of like, you know There's just certain racetracks that you you don't want to go try I Seemed to go pretty decent on the slick tracks. I've always liked that stuff and We got involved with Carson Bolden with the Texas State Championship And so we ended up that he said he was going down there. So I'm like God wait, I guess we got to go and They have a rule down there Slim Pushins: But we have an interesting story about that too. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: where you can go when the leader goes on single file restarts. And I didn't know that was a rule or I didn't, I didn't pay attention the first time that I went to 105, right? And so I'll say his name this time. Trent Dixon jumped me every single start, every single one of them. I was furious. I couldn't believe it. I'm like, bro, like you're jumping the starts. And we got, we started Jim Gardner: ⁓ I forgot about this. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: Talking about it and then his dad said something and then I popped off to his dad and then his dad said that that's the rules if you're at the driver's meeting you would have heard that and I'm like All right, dude, my bad. No problem And we got in the truck and for the three and a half hours home. I told Kerbo I said I promise you I will go down the back straightaway every time I show back up here so I when I went back I felt like I had a lot of rage inside of me to go and do it and ⁓ Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: It was it was just one of those nights we we hit set up perfect and drove to the front and I kind of got lucky with you because you were running the top and I was running the bottom I think it would have been a really good race ⁓ and then the same like Jacob Harris got tangled up in a crash I think the seas really parted for me that night and then I didn't have to jump any starch or anything like that So it's a it's a really cool place because it's super unique ⁓ Especially like how it flattens off on the top of turn two. Yep Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Offer two, yeah. Corby Scherb: And then the same like it gets really really banked I feel getting into three and then it like falls away in the center and then it comes back So you got to be super rotated right in the center I just I I told Kerbo we went out there and looked at the track last time and I saw him push the tires down and I'm like these guys are cooked They're done. I'm gonna rip him on the bottom So I honestly got there was a lot of luck in that with the Jacob Harris thing and then you and then the same like I got by Tyler kind of early ⁓ Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Corby Scherb: And then what Shane Morgan got tangled up in a crash. So he was coming from the tail. And then ⁓ I just feel as a racer, if you can be upfront and you can gap that person anyway, ⁓ Trey Smith started right behind me and Kerbo just loved to tell me to keep digging. And I didn't know that I was faster than Trey that night. So every caution, I would look down and Kerbo kept giving me the digging sign. I'm like, dude, like Trey's wearing me out, man. Like this is, this is it. It's going to be a long race. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Slim Pushins: There were like six cautions and I swear to you, I walked as far as close to the track as I could, told him to absolutely keep digging. Corby Scherb: But it was, it's a cool place because like I said, it's super unique and I like racetracks like that. ⁓ There's too often that we go to places even like Kennedale. Kennedale is truly pretty predictable. The only thing is when it gets slicked to the wall or it stays hammered down. 105, I bet you, you could probably run there weekly and somewhere different on the racetrack. I feel like there's some nights that the middle would work. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, last year we I won two races. think your two is read it races down there and Or at the end of the year I almost won a race and so three I would say but I lost one but yeah one night I like all the way around the top one night like putt in the bottom and one and two and run in the top and three and four and then One night I passed the guy straight through the middle and I was like absolute flabbergasted. I was like, cannot believe this It just straight stuck Corby Scherb: Yeah, that place, it's weird. It seemed like the moisture would come up in certain spots of the area. It's almost like there's a river that runs somewhere around there. Christopher Townsend: I don't know, I don't know, sometimes I just think it's that like weird sand clay and if you watch like the track will have a glaze over it, okay? Like right before the A main it would be glazed and then like five laps in it's like buff slick so like it'll throw you for a massive curveball. Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. I mean you're in Destin right now but you could go to that tracks pit area and just take your shoes off and you're pretty close to the beach there in the pit area. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, yeah. ⁓ that's a Southern, that's where we're racing at, Friday, Saturday. That's really why we came down here, is to kind of have a family vacation and then try to race too. Corby Scherb: Yeah. That's cool. But you know, you got people like Channing helping you ⁓ that dude absolutely rips anywhere he goes I'm sure you get in a car today and still be fast Slim Pushins: Thank Corby Scherb: People like that are huge in your racing career. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Yeah, Shannon's a huge help. Corby Scherb: ⁓ But yeah, I don't I don't have a problem that the same we went and raced Cotton Bowl and I was honestly like flabbergasted how slick that place got Slim Pushins: We got Christopher Townsend: Yeah, I haven't reached cotton ball in a while. It's been a couple years. Corby Scherb: But those are the only two down there. It was was wild. It never took rubber never even acted like it wanted to take rubber. I mean just slick top to bottom Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Slim Pushins: Corby Chase Brewer said quit relieving, reliving your glory days. Actually it says quit relieving your glory day, which is true. Just a single day. Corby Scherb: long time ago Chase. Jim Gardner: Hehehehehe Corby Scherb: We have one day, one day. Christopher Townsend: Y'all see that in the chat? I don't see nothing. Jim Gardner: Yeah, the chats not working properly so you got to pull it up on Facebook Our chat in the studio is not working but ⁓ Slim Pushins: I have live... I've got... I got, yeah I got. Christopher Townsend: Okay, I'll pull it up. I'll pull it up a lesson. Slim Pushins: Does ceramic coating make the ceramic coating, the sprint car make them faster? I think so. It's like Cody. I mean, it's like Corby shaving his whole body so we can swim faster. Same concept. Jim Gardner: I don't think so, I guess. Corby Scherb: Absolutely. It helps. It helps. It's aerodynamic. Jim Gardner: You All right. Slim Pushins: So, Christopher Townsend: watching it y'all can't hear that right I don't want to echo it back and forth Corby Scherb: No, you're good. Slim Pushins: I turn, I turn mine all the way down. I also, you should also know, we have no idea what these people are capable of commenting and bringing up. That's the beauty of, ⁓ he's, I guarantee you he's in the middle of a nap right now. I will tell you though, because you and everybody, yeah, because you and everybody that you know has shared the post we posted earlier about having you on. Jim Gardner: you Christopher Townsend: That's alright, if Ryder the plant joins us, it might go down. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Christopher Townsend: Nah, or a Lubbock. Slim Pushins: I think you've surpassed the amount of views on Facebook that Ryder had. So that's, you can always hang that over his head. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. He's having a tough year. I'll leave him alone. Corby Scherb: Right. What about you? What's your plans this year? What are you guys going to do? Christopher Townsend: So we're gonna race this weekend and then I'm gonna run that 3.5 speed week coming up. Then after that I'm gonna take a couple weekends off just to kind of get some stuff back and organized, cleaned up. And then after that, I don't really know. I haven't really hit or miss schedule. It's like, what's fuel being $5 a gallon? I try to race like anywhere from like four to eight hours away. So like really I'm in Florida, but it's only eight hours from my house. So it's kind of going to Tulsa for me. So it's not too terrible of a trip. That's why I picked this place and then that 305 Speed Week. So then I would have raced for like four weekends in a row. So that's like pretty good for me. And then especially that Speed Week, but that Speed Week looks like it's going to rain out quite a bit. Like a couple of those shows are for sure going to rain out. Jim Gardner: Yeah, I was looking at it the other day. It's gonna be dicey, but... Corby Scherb: Yeah, it's looking pretty rough. Christopher Townsend: Jason's okay Jason Phillips. Hey Chris or what's gonna take it for Sean Jordan to make the am a ⁓ it's a winning a name. I don't know Corby Scherb: Deep deep I feel bad now that we're talking about that I passed him he was leading it whenever I took the lead Slim Pushins: you Jim Gardner: Peace. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, I don't know. I I get shot a bunch of device. I just think it takes time man. It takes it takes time and Corby Scherb: For sure. Jim Gardner: I think I saw where he was pitted next to me and I think maybe he was late to his race and didn't get a belt tight or something. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, they said he was late to the, he was late to his last chance or something or I don't really know. But no, yeah, Sean, Sean will be good. He's led a couple, he's led a couple of races at Cleveland. He'll like, he, well, he kind of gets over his head and spins out in the race. I'm like, bro, come on, it's okay. Jim Gardner: Yeah, that's so they. Ha ha! Slim Pushins: Jimmy, Jimmy, he didn't get any advice from you, he? Corby Scherb: think that's the hardest thing to understand. Well, that's the hardest thing to understand in a sprint car is like sometimes like what you think is fast enough is fast enough. You don't have to go any faster than this. To clean up your mistakes, like I said, Kyle probably was faster than you at the end of that race, but you just didn't make a mistake. And that's so much of that battle because it is like you said, it's so hard to make a pass. You got to be dumbly aggressive and we it's frowned upon around here to be dumbly aggressive. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Slim Pushins: Jim, add that to the list of words that he just makes up. Jim Gardner: I'm only aggressive. Got it. Slim Pushins: So. Corby Scherb: So how long have you raced? Has this been since you were a little kid? Christopher Townsend: I started racing junior sprints when I was seven and then from about seven to nine I raced them and then at nine I got my first restricted race restrictors till I was probably 14, 13, 13 or 14 and then at that same mix we kind of ran A class a little bit like we dabbled in it and then I raced like four or five A class races and then actually Frank Galusha made a Facebook post looking for a development driver. And that's when like the, was before the Rena ride stuff, but like the development deal on our side was like, we, so I guess you can say, some people would say you bought your ride, but my, deal was we paid for our engines and our tires, like for the race car. And then he took me racing. So that was our deal for like two or three years. And I ran like all the outlaw, Microsoft through like the power I stuff. So I ran like the high banks, hustle, sweet springs. all those big races. then when I was 14, I think we built my first sprint car. And then it took us a year to build it. And I think that next year in October, I raced it and we won our first race and I did it really didn't plan on winning the race. I'm not trying to sound cocky, but I was 60 pounds light. didn't even, I, what's so crazy is I won the heat race from eighth, eighth, the first time I hit race first, every time in the sprint car, I practiced it once. Jim Gardner: hahahahah ⁓ Christopher Townsend: ate the first in a heat race. I went in a heat race, I go across the scales. I'm the same weight in the heat race in the A main and the guy gives me the thumbs up. So I'm like, I don't know. Like we didn't even think about checking the weight because me and my family was like, there's no way we won this race. Like there's just like, we tried to like set our goals, like pretty standard. Like, hey, look, go make laps and don't expect nothing. And like, actually awesome Monday was leading the A main and got taken out by a lap car. Jim Gardner: Ugh. you Christopher Townsend: And I was like, perfect opportunity. won my race and I went across the scales and I was like, you're 60 pounds light. And I was like, I'm sure. I'm sure we are. Corby Scherb: Yeah. Slim Pushins: Yeah Jim Gardner: You Corby Scherb: That's awesome. That's a cool story at Frank Alusha. That's huge ⁓ big help big steps You've always been fast. You've always been super super clean. I would say that you're an aggressive racer You take chances, but I've never seen you do, know, just dumb stuff ⁓ Or I mean have you I know that there was a bit of a Yeah, yeah take out kit Lewis senior nothing like that Slim Pushins: like take out the namesake of an entire race. Jim Gardner: you Christopher Townsend: Yeah, no, I'm sure I've fired up a couple people before like I know I have but I don't well at the Kindle Dome the outlaw show I ran into Don Stevens when I ran into him and flat my tire and rider started flipping so it's kind of my fault but after that I've never like blew it off in there and like wheeled someone or yes have I slid people and made it tight? Mm-hmm but It's kind of your choice to lift and if not, you're going to go for a ride. Corby Scherb: For sure. Yeah, I think. Slim Pushins: Speaking of that, speaking of lifting or not lifting, there were a lot of beefs this weekend too. Did you ruffle any feathers? Yeah. Jim Gardner: the the and Yeah, there was intensity There was intensity in the air from the moment No, no, no in general Christopher Townsend: Peace. Corby Scherb: people Christopher Townsend: Like about me or just in general. Slim Pushins: No, no, no. Corby Scherb: No, not you. We didn't have to hear anything about you. Jim Gardner: the track. Christopher Townsend: ⁓ no, I didn't really run into it with anybody, surprisingly. Corby Scherb: But it's hard, you know, yeah five Five thousand dollars to win is a lot of money and you at least a shot to get there and there was some that was just slightly on the aggressive side But the difference in starting like like the how the format broke down I mean if you finish less than third, it was going to be a really long night for you Jim Gardner: Well that's what happens when you're out front. You should be back in the Hornet's Nest with me. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Well, I took it as if you don't win your heat race, you have no way to win the same thing. Like there's no way and It's kind of like and they made qualifying so important and I like qualifying when it's heads up I hate like you go work so hard you a quick time and they invert 12 So now you start six in your heat you're like, it's just it's just way too hard to like make some that up so, you know, my qualifying was not perfect, but Corby Scherb: I agree. Jim Gardner: I was... Christopher Townsend: six I started outside pulling this like I said the same start in the a-main I did in the heat race I just got the guy and kind of just you know like I just make sure every night we go racing my starts are like what I focus on the most and do I do it perfect every night no like but the nights that I try to make sure it counts I'm pretty try to be right there on it Corby Scherb: Had the old saying you can't win on the first lap but you can for sure lose it. You can for sure get swallowed up. Christopher Townsend: You can for sure lose it and like I like we were talking they're like well I expect you on the slide you if you get the lead I was like yeah so like I was trying to like in the mindset is like I gotta drive around him in this first corner because if I don't then I'm gonna slide him in three and four and he's gonna run down the hill and then we're gonna be doing this back and forth so I think that like first corner was huge getting around him and like kind of breaking his momentum because I'm sure he probably thought he had me cleared like he didn't think I was gonna drive around him. And then at three and four, he left me like half the track. So I made sure to get it going. Slim Pushins: first of the format was wildly bad. Corby Scherb: Yeah, Kyle Jones tried to prove me wrong. Well, Kyle Jones tried to prove me wrong because I've said that I don't think that anyone started deeper than eighth and won at Kennedale that I can remember in a very long time. And so Kyle tried. He was trying. But it was a good race, man. It was really cool. And I do think that I know that it took rubber. But up until that point, they did their best. The format to me, ⁓ I think there could be some adjustments. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Jim Gardner: You Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Yeah. Corby Scherb: to like you know I mean you won and so I mean it doesn't necessarily affect you but at the same time like you said if you don't win your heat rays you're done. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I still like I think they could have taken two out of four heat races So that's eight and then you take ⁓ I like the outlaw format I like like that leader goes to the dash and then seconds in the a right like you could have done the same thing and taken one more car I think their goal was to allow more drivers to make it out of the b main if they had a tough heat race Which is fine, but taking 14 out of a b main is like kind of like wow like Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah, that was aggressive. Jim Gardner: What? Yeah. Christopher Townsend: When I saw that, I was like, that's crazy. That's a lot of chords out of the beat. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Yeah. I would, my favorite format is when, you know, if you run qualifying, you can invert four and then you take the winner of the heat and the fastest transfer to the dash. ⁓ it's what the all-stars used to do. Well, if you, if you qualify, well, if you bring fast cars to the racetrack and you do your job, then you are in the catbird seat for the rest of the night. And that even gives you kind of a mulligan. ha you don't, know, ⁓ but. Corby Scherb: Yeah, and it's tough. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: so doesn't hinder you even though you're restarting forth. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Jim Gardner: You know, it also gives somebody else. the thing, the format needs refinement, not just for the format, but the track takes up. No, it's been different. Yeah. It's been different every year, but that. Christopher Townsend: Was this the same format last year? No? Two day show. Slim Pushins: No. Corby Scherb: No, last year it was a two day show. And then the first year was single car qualifying. And then they took the top three out of every heat race, I believe. And then there was a C and a B. Jim Gardner: Yeah, but the, the. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, see chase brew just said every show should be passing point to which I agree I want it when we were pill-drawing like for the dash I wanted to ask like oh, we're just gonna do it off. Whoever won the first heat race I was like well in my head I was like I think we probably should do passing point to it one I passed one car and won the heat race so that helped me a little bit more but I just think that's a little bit more fair because you don't get to pick where you start your heat race or what heat race you're in So I kind of thought that was I didn't mmm, whatever Slim Pushins: Jones. Jim Gardner: Right. Yeah, you don't get to control your own destiny. And I think that's all any racer wants to be able to do is drive to the racetrack knowing that they control their night. Mostly, there's circumstances, another thing going on. when you get drilled in the format, ⁓ like I said, the format needs refinement for format sake, but the track just also took a beating. There were so many laps on it. There were so many laps ⁓ in the heat with single car qualifying took a lot of time. Christopher Townsend: It still worked out for me, but... Yeah. Yeah. Corby Scherb: There's a lot of people upside down. A lot of people. Jim Gardner: And well, it's just, you know, it started taking rubber probably. Christopher Townsend: How many cars really flipped? I guess I didn't really realize that a lot of people flipped. Corby Scherb: Landon, Austin, Casper. Jim Gardner: four, five, Casper. Slim Pushins: Monday. ⁓ you already said Monday. Corby Scherb: Yeah, awesome. Jim Gardner: Yeah, there wasn't really, there wasn't really that many yellows or anything like that until the bee. Corby Scherb: That was. Christopher Townsend: Landon Whoflip. Corby Scherb: land of Venezuela after ⁓ Austin flipped out of the red it came out. Yeah. having to shorten the B because now you're down to, know, like we said that the 14 cars is really tough and now you're down to less than enough to make it and that's, yeah, you know, it just gets dicey. ⁓ Christopher Townsend: ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Yeah. Christopher Townsend: and the guy flipped, still made the A and I was like, mm, that looks kind of... Jim Gardner: And the other one doesn't Yeah, it I I think there were things that They could refine with the former. I enjoyed it. I mean we're on the racetrack a lot I didn't even make the frickin be but I was exhausted No, I don't want to talk about it is a move on Christopher Townsend: Yeah, that kind of, that kind of sucks. Corby Scherb: We want to talk about that. we want to? No? No? OK. I thought we did your job, right? You started front row of heat rays. Slim Pushins: I mean... Jim Gardner: I went home and shaved my head. Slim Pushins: Yeah, would love to hide tight. Jim Gardner: Hahaha! Corby Scherb: You can't say that Chris used to have really long hair. What happened to all that? Christopher Townsend: Yeah, I don't know. had a lot going on last year and I just felt like I needed a fresh start and sometimes that's all you need. You know, just get a fresh start, get a get a buzz. Yeah. Jim Gardner: See? Corby Scherb: Jimmy, you got the next win now. Jim Gardner: That's what we're trying to do. Grayson County, Saturday, maybe. Christopher Townsend: Yep. Slim Pushins: by yourself. Jim Gardner: By myself. That wouldn't be any different than last week. I couldn't find my crew most of the night. So... I had to call... Slim Pushins: Bates said, wonder why you remember Casper, Jim. Jim Gardner: I had to call Kerbo right before my qualifying because I didn't have anybody to push me up about four cars out. I'm like, Hey man, I'm about to get in this car. You want to come down here? Slim Pushins: Wait! Corby Scherb: He's pretty known for doing that anyways. He's done it to me, he's done it to Lucas. Slim Pushins: Listen. Jim Gardner: You Slim Pushins: I thought that's all bullshit. First of all, second of all, Corby was with me. So if you're going to bad mouth me, Corby was with me on the back stretch watching the first set of qualifying or whatever they called it flight. And we were on top of it. Corby Scherb: It's not, it's true. Christopher Townsend: Yes. Jim Gardner: Okay, yeah, whatever. I guess I'll get my car here by myself and hope my crew shows up. Hope they know who I'm qualifying behind. Slim Pushins: Jacob Harris said, Jacob Harris said they need to run only one support class. I was surprised with that format knowing that there were going to be so many races that they had three ⁓ support classes. But I guess it worked out. Like it didn't, it didn't seem to be detrimental. Jim Gardner: Ahem. Corby Scherb: ⁓ well, I I think it was like $11.59 they threw the last checkered flag. It's expensive. Christopher Townsend: How late did they go after their curtain? So what is it like $100 a minute or $1000 or what? Jim Gardner: No, they made it. Slim Pushins: I don't know. I'd be curious. ⁓ if Lopez had made a couple of comments today. I don't know if he's on or watching, but out of pure curiosity. Jim Gardner: I don't, I like that they have a curfew and they stick to it because it's the only, it's, you know, one of the only places in town that runs an efficient show. mean, we, we used to race features when the sun was coming up at some of these joints because they would have nine classes and didn't really care how long it took. So. Christopher Townsend: ⁓ boy, got a question. ⁓ Corby Scherb: think our first trip to 105 was super late. All right. Jim Gardner: Y'know. Christopher Townsend: What do y'all think the track prep needs to do better to prevent the rubber? Jim Gardner: I think the track prep was fine. The track took a beating. There were so many races, so many sprint car races. ⁓ We were out there so often and then you had a hundred laps of qualifying in the sun. The track was never going to... I would have liked to just seen group qualifying. If we're only going to run six car heat races, put six cars out on the track and let them all qualify against the clock at the same time. Christopher Townsend: You all think they should have done two cars at a time? Slim Pushins: Only from a time perspective. Christopher Townsend: Okay, but my question is, hold up, because if I'm like the guy, I don't even know who it was, but he spun out three times while he's out there and then like you're on a burner and I'm not trying to call no one out, I'm just saying like you're following a guy, he spins someone out, you're on a fast lap or you're out there with a weaker and his car comes out of gear three times or whatever the deal is. I'm like, it kind of still hurts you because you might be on a fast lap or whatever the deal is. Slim Pushins: limit. 23. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Yeah, I would have, I would have rather drawn for your heat race and you qualify against your heat race all at the same time. And if anything like that happens, they push them off the racetrack and you go again. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Corby Scherb: I'll say it out loud. I hate the whole pack in the top, like let it roll up, especially if it's a sprint car show and that's why we're there. ⁓ I don't like the wheel pack in the top stuff. If you let it roll up, then people like Christopher and Marcus and Chad and Kyle and John and Jeb and all these guys will go up there and just absolutely bang a curb down. Yeah, Jim Gardner, you'll do it too, but. Christopher Townsend: Mm. Slim Pushins: from a purely. Christopher Townsend: Ugh. Corby Scherb: Go up there and bang a curb down and it slows the people down from getting back to the bottom. I That when the top goes away is when the bottom comes back and then that's when the rubber is put down I think they did. Okay, I think maybe you should have I Mean everyone's always gonna have opinions and arguments. ⁓ I I'm with Christopher on the whole Double car qualifying because that can really hinder you like you said you're on a heater and then you got to replay that lap in your head and then you Jim Gardner: Hahaha! Slim Pushins: women. Corby Scherb: Absolutely screw it up The single car stuff and if I'm being really honest a single car stuff too is more nerve-racking I think than being out there by yourself. So it'll separate more people. Don't don't roll your eyes like that Jimmy You know that everyone watched every single second he was on that racetrack for qualifying Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Jim Gardner: No, I agree. like single car qualifying in that respect. I just think that it takes a lot of time away from the show and the track, the surface pays for it three hours later. Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Slim Pushins: I think from a, from a. From a fan's perspective, I like double car qualifying. It goes by quicker. Plus you can semi just by pure eyesight. can tell if somebody's on a heater versus who they're on the, on the track with. We were kind of joking, Christopher, we were joking, um, at the track, um, single car qualifying, you get out there and you know, you're talking to yourself in the car. You're like, I am, I am hauling. Corby Scherb: Yeah. Slim Pushins: fast. Like this is the best lap I've ever run. And then, you you pull in and you're 27th fast. It's got to be like a kick in the pants. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, when I went out my first lap, absolute blowed. Like I just smoked it through the slick off a two and I was like, you idiot. Like you better make this one lap count. And I was like the third car to go out and I was just waiting for someone to like qualify with the phone in their pocket. And I'm sitting there and finally someone walks up with their phone. I'm like, let me see this thing. Cause I'm like having a stroke over here trying to figure out if I'm even in the ballpark. And finally when I saw, I was like third quick when I saw it then I dropped down to fifth or fifth or sixth. I was like, well, at least my lap didn't suck as near as bad because I'm not going to lie. Like sometimes you think you were just, you just did it perfect and your crew comes in and gives you the little, you know, you've sucked out there and I'm like, well, tried. Jim Gardner: You Corby Scherb: You've done that for a while you've done single-car qualifying another Not just 305 and it is I think that qualifying really is It's just one of those moments that you Forget like you say like you could break down so much more in your head of what to do what not to do and You spun it up off turn two and you probably felt like that was the slowest lap you ever ran and it still would have qualified you like 16th Slim Pushins: Yeah, I mean... Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: You know, ⁓ it takes that just that one perfect lap that you got in the bag It's like that I I think I always try to if I was leading the first lap of a feature It was a qualifying lap like the absolute best lap that you could possibly put down Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it matters set sail and kind of, you know, set your ground and make sure you're comfortable. Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Slim Pushins: Gordon Roops said they did track prep after the first LCQ. Am I reading that right? Christopher Townsend: Yeah, they are trying to do something before one of them or in the middle. I don't know. I rolled out there and they had this farm thing looking like putting grooves in the racetrack and I was like, I don't know what this is going to do, but. Jim Gardner: No, I think he... Corby Scherb: Yeah Jim Gardner: Bye. Slim Pushins: They that deer in the middle of a red. I forgot to ask you, Jim, because you're strapped into the car and you've got your helmet strapped in and everything, you're facing pretty much straight. What are you thinking when that tractor comes screaming past you? Jim Gardner: Yeah, that's my LCQ. Corby Scherb: Yeah. Jim Gardner: Whatever. was dog cussing myself for two hours prior for that heat raise that I didn't really care. I was just hoping to roll my stuff back in the trailer clean by that time. Yeah, exactly. Throw my hands up. So yeah, I could have used it to put out my misery, but whatever. All good. Live to fight another day. Christopher Townsend: He was probably hoping the tractor really hit his car, called it a night. Corby Scherb: I never even thought about it like that. Just in me right now. Slim Pushins: It was a huge selfie. Corby Scherb: That's tough and you when you show up to Well, you showed the big shows like that a qualifying is so important like like you said ⁓ Start just starting on the front row of your heat race Especially with only the leader going like you at least got it. You have to give yourself that shot I don't know if anyone came from much deeper than second or I don't think anyone won deeper than second a heat race Jim Gardner: Huh? Christopher Townsend: Yeah, and I think the track being so top dominant really hurt the inside pole guy. I feel like turn one is so tight getting in on the bottom. You really have to get it, sit down and drove off. The guy can't hardly get across to slide you, especially if you get a really good start. And the dash, I tried to roll the bottom off of one and two. Corby Scherb: Yeah. Jim Gardner: Yeah, I'm gonna go with that. I'm gonna go with that. He, he... Slim Pushins: How do you feel about that, Jim? Christopher Townsend: I was like okay but 3 and 4 you just feel like you carry the car speed so much higher. Corby Scherb: Yeah, Jana actually I called it a pinchy turn once kind of pinchy there She called me out on it and I had to explain to her and it just is like it's not It's not as round as entering turn three. Yeah, I will say it's weird and then you know, everyone saw you know, same hot shield got caught by it But you can really turn right at end of the front straightaway and get back to the top of the racetrack And that's just where like it becomes almost a point Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. It's three and four, yeah. I don't know why. Mm-hmm. Well, I was watching the replay. I was watching the replay like that wall kind of opens up into one and I was following it and Carney like when I was watching he was like entering straight and I was kind of like, I'm not saying it was helping me but like are just two distinct lines. He was kind of going straighter and I was like letting the card get in there the whole time while I was up top. Corby Scherb: Yeah, the faster you can get there in turn one, I I've watched Kyle Jones drive away from me, Jeb, John, all those guys, just Marcus being able to turn right at the end of it. it's not easy, like you're saying, to hold your steering wheel straight and just trust yourself that it's going to stop whenever you get up there. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yes. Yep. Corby Scherb: That's a good thing about Canada. is super unique. It's it's ⁓ it's no joke to win there especially not know $8,000 Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Jim Gardner: You Slim Pushins: CT, do you like qualifying? How do you normally feel about qualifying? Christopher Townsend: Um, it doesn't break my heart if it's not qualifying. You're like, it's just, like Cleveland is just pill draw and I mean, it's your luck if you pull the one or the 20, you know, or I mean the hundred. So it doesn't bother me. like USCS this weekend is not pill draw. I mean, it's not qualifying, so it makes me feel a little better. It's all passing points. So. Corby Scherb: Yeah. Jim Gardner: There's a passing points is for big shows, Tulsa shootout and chili bowl and stuff. It's the no, it's the fairest form for really high car count stuff. ⁓ It's got its flaws, I guess. Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug on the pool. ⁓ I kind of like the BC 39 where guys have a draft and they can pick where they're going to start their heat race. Christopher Townsend: You don't think it should be a weekly show? Jim Gardner: ⁓ and then it'd be passing points, ⁓ cause that feels like you got a little bit more control, but you know, if you draw the pole and win the pole, or excuse me, win the heat, ⁓ you know, that's still kind of detrimental too. So it just, it's fine. It, you know, for just a regular Saturday night show, I got no problem with it. I think it's great. ⁓ for a big paying show where guys are there, you know, trying to make some money. I like qualify a good qualifying format. Just reward guys for being fast on their own. Slim Pushins: What about, ⁓ do you have any superstitions? Are you a superstitious guy? Christopher Townsend: Yeah, yeah, pretty big on no chicken on race day. ⁓ A prime example is Kennedyl at the Outlaw Show. Friday night went OK, I mean we made the show for our first 410 race there, so that was cool. I mean, yeah, and then Saturday rolled around and I'm sitting there in the trailer. I was like, hey, y'all go get me. Jim Gardner: ⁓ Christopher Townsend: water burger whatever so they went and got food so I'm thinking everyone be getting water burger right just how I think of water burgers not chicken everyone rolls up a Chick-fil-a so I was like cool that's good that's exactly what we need in here and I didn't make it into one and I was about upside down stepped into the wall so I was like that wasn't my fault that was y'all not me I had nothing to do with none of that Corby Scherb: you Jim Gardner: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Corby Scherb: I firmly believe in stuff like that Jim Gardner: ⁓ Slim Pushins: Go ahead. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Jim Gardner: Turbo accosted my mother in the trailer. My mom lives to feed people. She comes from a big Irish Catholic family. And like, I'll just go over there and she'd be like, Hey, by the way, I made you a pie. Take this home with you. She's just into that. That's that is her way of showing love to everybody. ⁓ we're late to the racetrack most of the time, because we've got to wait on her to finish whatever. Slim Pushins: That's I- Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Jim Gardner: feast she's made for my trailer. And my trailer is not very big. So we have to move all the race car stuff so that she can set up her table and everything. Well, she made delicious fried chicken sandwiches with a pack with a battery powered air fryer and like the little. I'm not. Yeah. Yeah. She had a whole pack from Costco of AAA batteries for this thing. I'm not superstitious. I couldn't give a damn about any of your superstitions. I don't care. Slim Pushins: like a thousand triple A back. She's listening too, Jim. Jim Gardner: And so I have this awful heat race. I've dialed the car way out of the ballpark like an idiot. After I don't eat diddly squat all day, like I'll have a peanut butter and jelly, but it was in the trailer. And so I'm kind of pissed. Christopher Townsend: Did you eat chicken? Slim Pushins: It was present. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, me too. Slim Pushins: A lot. Christopher Townsend: Did the jelly have nuts in it? That might have been the issue. No. Jim Gardner: No No, but So i'm pissed i'm walking around this trailer just kind of dog cussing myself because i'm an idiot and then my mom comes storming out and it's like You didn't tell me That chicken is bad luck and I was like Who told you I don't care. I don't have time for this shit. I really don't and she's like wow And then she's just ranting about it and kerbo said He came in here and he's like, absolutely not. I'm not eating that. Well, you know, in Kerbo. Slim Pushins: Those were my words, but I said it in a loving way. Jim Gardner: Yeah. So I guess Kerbo really gave my mom the business in the trailer about, about chicken. then Roy and the taco casa guys came by to give me this really cool poster. and mom, mom pulls Roy aside and she goes, did you know that they're not supposed to have chicken in here? like cornered Roy who didn't ask, who did not sign up to be talking to my mom about chicken at the racetrack. And, ⁓ And he's just like, just get me out of here. I just want to give Jim this poster and be out of it. know, and so, ⁓ anyway, she was rattled all the way home. She was apologetic. She thought she cursed me for the night, ⁓ which she didn't. Her son was just an idiot on the wrenches, ⁓ not believing in his driver, but on mother's day of all times, Kerbo, you could just have shown her a little grace. By the time she left, it was mother's day. Slim Pushins: It just kind of came out. I walked into the trailer for a bottle of water, which is a whole other story. No, it was the it was Mother's Day weekend. OK, don't put that on me. All right, so I walk in the trailer to get a bottle of water for Corby over there, and she's like, Kerbo, let me make you chicken sandwich. And I was like, no, I don't. Jim Gardner: It's got it had jalapenos, cheese, lettuce, tomato, onion. It was the works. I had one watching the AMA and on the backstretch sulking, having a course light. Slim Pushins: I was like, I don't know. No, ma'am. Yeah, there's still parts of it on the back of the four wheeler. Jim Gardner: Yeah Slim Pushins: I was like, no, can't. I know I don't want chicken. She goes, well, what do you want? I was like, well, I can't have chicken. We're in the middle of a race night. She goes, well, I've never heard that. And I was like, uh, and I was, it was, I was in too deep at that point. I had to be honest with her. Jim Gardner: Ugh. Corby Scherb: I bet it's 50 % would say 50 % of racers would believe that that you can't have chicken on race days. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, I hear some people like Shannon used to tell me he would only win if he ate it like he was like some nights like we would eat it and I would even forget to it and he said we would win he said then like it became religious to stop at this certain restaurant and eat the same thing and then I was like dude I like starved myself some nights before the day man and actually what was funny about the chicken thing is we're at Big O Friday and we kind of I mean we didn't kind of suck we sucked and Corby Scherb: Yeah. Christopher Townsend: Like we got the car all ready to go and I was like, all right, we're beating the odds tonight. I'm ordering a chicken fried chicken and we're gonna like, we're gonna do just fine. And we're eating it and we got done, we went to the truck. I looked at my phone and said, Rando, I said, told y'all I shouldn't have ate it. I'm just, that was my sign. So like I was not doing it at Kennedy Laws. I'm not chancing it. Jim Gardner: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Slim Pushins: He Corby Scherb: you Jim Gardner: Turbo, you owe my mother an apology. Slim Pushins: Brewers said, I'm sure that I do. Brewers said he only eats chicken on race day. If there was one person that follows the podcast that we had, yeah, that we had to guess does the absolute anti-opposite, it'd be Brewery. Jim Gardner: Ha ha! Ha Christopher Townsend: I it really, I don't think it really, it obviously doesn't affect nothing. If you're just like, if you're really in your head, kind of like me, it affects something. Like, I don't know. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's huge. I I try it like, I'm big on like, putting my gloves on the same way, you know, like put my suit, it's, like, it doesn't matter, but like it matters, you know what I mean? Like, yeah. Corby Scherb: He's probably just saying that he don't know. It's mental. Slim Pushins: It is mental. Corby Scherb: It matters to me. Slim Pushins: It's part of the, right, it's part of the call me. That's what has to happen for you to be in your head. Christopher Townsend: Like when I get in the car, I'm just like, just leave me alone and I'm just gonna do everything the same way so I know everything's perfect. Corby Scherb: My favorite pastime about racing is like I always prayed before like I would be sitting to shoot and then pray before we go out and when someone just walks up to you like you have your head bowed like your eyes are closed everything and they're just chopping it up like nothing's happening like dude just give me a second here Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Slim Pushins: We were, I don't think I've ever told this story. We were at Ardmore one night and Corby's ride, like it's up. It's like a thing. Like the fist bumps are at the same time. The pre-race, you know, like everything good you could talk. It's all at the same time. Corby's in the middle of praying and sitting to shoot and like out of nowhere. have no idea where these people came from. An entire class of special needs kids just descends on Corby's car and starts leaning in talking to him. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Slim Pushins: Pat him on the back. I was like, don't, I don't, where did that, where, don't even know where this people came from. I don't know how we did. I was so rattled myself. Corby Scherb: It was a lot. Probably not good. That might have been the night I got ballparked. Jim Gardner: Peace. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, that's it I have a couple things wrote down and I sent it to you and like that kind of exact thing like how do you how do I try to manage from being focused to not being a douchebag at the race right you know what I mean like it's a huge thing cuz like sometimes I'll see people out of the corner of my eye and I know they see me and I see numb it's not that I like I'm trying to like not talk to him but I'm also like Corby Scherb: I'm just being like you say. Christopher Townsend: kind of trying to focus and you know do everything I can to win this race so not saying talking that one person's gonna throw me off but like I don't know it's just dividing like being a douchebag to being a nice racer to fans is kind of tough some days. Corby Scherb: Yeah, I think that there's just certain times that people will show up and it's gonna be bad no matter what and all you can do is just try to like just swallow really really hard and talk to them and be nice and then go back in the trailer to finish your fit that you had to throw but it is it's super hard in moments like like you're saying like you're sitting there and you're having a talk about your tires for the night and there's someone standing right behind you that You know, you have to stop what you're doing and turn around Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: And the whole time you're trying to talk to them, you're just remembering everything that you need to make sure is said before you climb in the car. I don't think that anyone is perfect at that. ⁓ It's just, it's a step process. Like I said, especially people like you or me who is very routine whenever I go to climb in the car. And there's a lot of times that that stuff gets really affected. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Yeah. Slim Pushins: always Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah, like I said, it's tough sometimes I feel bad, it's kind of a job that you have to make sure is perfect. We're doing a wheel space or change and someone's talking to me, I'm like, just give me just a second. This tire has to go on just right for me and everything has to look perfect and then we can talk. Corby Scherb: Yeah. Slim Pushins: I kind of always took it as my responsibility to try to run as much interference as I could because I know the moments that like y'all are talking about that you're kind of in your head and in your zone and strapping in and doing things like that. ⁓ I always tried to run interference as much as I could for Corby or Jeb. ⁓ It's crazy. You put Taco Kots on the side of a car. Corby Scherb: Yeah, I get it. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: What about Jimmy? You did do it for Jimmy? Jim Gardner: No, he just lets people come. Slim Pushins: Nobody comes down. You know, like it's funny you put taco costs on the side of a car. Yeah, you put taco costs on the side of a car and people, you know, people know the brand and, ⁓ John and John and Jeff have made a name for themselves with good reason. And there were always a lot of people around and I just, I can't wrench. Well, they won't let me wrench on a car. I don't know anything about setup. Corby Scherb: you Jim Gardner: Nobody likes my my trailer my decal is car. Yeah Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: Please don't. Please don't do that. Slim Pushins: So I've always tried to be as helpful as possible. Christopher Townsend: See what you said at the outlaw show is you went with Corby when he won the race at Cleveland and you're the only reason why he won. Slim Pushins: Yes. Corby Scherb: ⁓ yeah. Slim Pushins: Correct. My claim to fame, my glory day, as Brewer puts it, I have won 100 % of the races that I have crew chief. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Corby Scherb: I was on the phone the whole night with Wesley and Jimmy asking them what we should do. That's what happened. Christopher Townsend: Finish. Slim Pushins: I guess we don't keep some things to ourselves, huh, Corby? Jim Gardner: ⁓ man. ⁓ Slim Pushins: Some things aren't sacred as far up until 15 seconds ago, I was responsible 100 % for that win, but that just went all to shit. Corby Scherb: Yeah, I... Think that that'll always be a struggle. I don't care if you're at the world of outlaws level Tyler Courtney or Kyle Larson or anyone there will always be moments in your career that you probably should have just shut up and turned around and talk to someone I think that it's big too. Like you just you don't know who you're gonna meet or when you're gonna meet them and first impressions can mean a lot and Next thing, you know Roy from taco cost of Santa behind you and you like you said you're a total dick and didn't have time to talk to him because you had no idea who he was that Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Slim Pushins: you Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Yeah. Corby Scherb: there'll always be moments like that. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, one of the guys, one of the guys texted me after, he's like, I was gonna come down and come talk to you and ⁓ you just look like you're super busy. And like, I appreciate that, cause like, I probably was and I'm kind of a scatterbrained person. Like I might be, you know, doing 10 times at one or 10 things at once and I can't get none of them done, but I'm gonna attempt to do them all. So that's kind of tough some days trying to make sure everything is done just right. Slim Pushins: What a great guy. love Roy. Corby Scherb: You because you said something in the text that you sent me about, ⁓ you know, are you like a really hands-on as a driver? I think. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, yeah, like for like me and Taylor do everything, but like what I like, I mean, we strip the cars, we rebuild this, we'll put engines in and I drive the truck and trailer to the racetrack. I, we unload the, I mean, we do everything top to bottom, pretty much me and Taylor. ⁓ Shannon does help, but like he's got a kid in a wife, so not every weekend he can come to the races and you know, spend the time that he wants to spend, you know I mean? So. Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Christopher Townsend: No, but I'm, I mean, I'm 100 % involved. nothing gets, I would say nothing goes without kind of not my like oversee, but like, you know, I don't know how to say that correctly, but yeah, I'm pretty much doing a little bit everything. Corby Scherb: Well, I think that it. Slim Pushins: I went, I went down after the race to talk to you. was going to see if you were up for the idea of coming on the podcast and little Birkham said that you literally skipped all the way to the pitch act to get your money. So I was like, wow, he's going to be, he's going to be laying down a hundred dollar bills all the way back. So we'll just send him a message. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Jim Gardner: you Christopher Townsend: Yeah. ⁓ No, no, I kinda got panicked when we went to draw this lady in there, she's not screaming, but she's being very loud. She's like, if you don't have this piece of paper when you come back, you're not getting paid. I'm like, man, I'm gonna be pissed if I win this five grand and you're not gonna pay me for this piece of paper. But I was looking through my whole trailer and I finally found it. Jim Gardner: Uhhh Yeah. Slim Pushins: You Jim Gardner: They, ⁓ the intensity of the track officials was on high alert from the moment I was there. Everybody was a little too ⁓ jittery. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, I think that place was pretty much... I think that place was pretty stressed and a little unorganized. But, let's search second. No... Jim Gardner: Maybe it was that it just it was like they they run people out of the pits like they never do that like they just felt like felt like they were trying to do a lot and even ⁓ lopez came on during the the drivers meeting like chew an ass about ⁓ crew guys crew guys like brought it up like four times and if you know, if you don't trust me like try me and it's like hey like everybody just Christopher Townsend: Yeah, talking to your car. Yeah. I think they were trying to do the right thing. Yeah, I think they were. I think they were trying to do the right thing. There's big money on the line. You know what I mean? They're like trying to make sure nothing like look stupid and a lot of it didn't look amazing. And I'm literally sitting at the drivers, meaning like the windows right there. I'm to the left of earth to the right or whichever way. And I asked him, I say, are we qualified? I mean, are we going to skills after qualifying? And the guy goes, huh? Jim Gardner: The Christopher Townsend: not Lopez, they're Flagman. He goes, huh? And I was like, do we need to scale the race car after making our two laps? ⁓ we'll let you know. I'm like, it's the driver's meeting. What do mean? Jim Gardner: Yeah. Yeah. Slim Pushins: you Jim Gardner: Yeah. Well, me and Zimmerman actually walked into the shack because he couldn't hear diddly squat because Jeb was idling his motor from pit stall number one right behind the driver's meeting. And he finally, like halfway through, walked back over there and shut the motor off. I was like, good Lord, Jeb, was it your first time? Yeah. And, ⁓ but like even from that, like it was, it was high strung. The officials were high strung. The competitors were high strung. Slim Pushins: Damn it's quick, it's so quick how you jump, yeah. Corby Scherb: most nonchalant racer out there. Christopher Townsend: So, that was my first- Jim Gardner: Kerbo was high strong. Slim Pushins: Jim came back to the trailer shaking his finger at me and was like, whatever you do, do not get off that four wheeler. like, buddy, you don't have to worry about me. Jim Gardner: ⁓ what are you gonna do? Mess my night up, Kerbo? Probably not, yeah. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, I just, I didn't really get it. Slim Pushins: I thought about it during that red gym to put you out of your misery. You like hop off, hop off, all four corners. Jim Gardner: Just hop off and walk around. They did. Christopher Townsend: They did punish a guy for his crew member parking in a wrong spot or being on the- I don't know what he did but they- Slim Pushins: ⁓ During one of the Reds, was somebody outside the fence. Somebody parked way up high in three. ⁓ had 77. Yeah. And ⁓ two guys on a roof, two guys that reflect reflective shirts and golf cart went running over there. Jim Gardner: It was, it was during the red during my LCQ. Yeah, it was a Cooper Sullivan. Yeah. And they docked him. Yeah. Yeah. And then they docked him, you know, one row. Christopher Townsend: Like I just don't think the driver should be punished for that. Like. Corby Scherb: So you're saying that he parked up next to the fence and they were talking to him through the fence? No way. No way. But what would happen if I... Well, what would happen if I pulled up next to CT and was talking to him on the racetrack? Jim Gardner: Yeah. Yeah. And they said it was a restricted area. Christopher Townsend: Ohhhh Slim Pushins: Yeah, that's what they went. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Slim Pushins: I was talking to DJ during one of the cautions or rids. Corby Scherb: Well, you're the reason you did it for DJ. Jim Gardner: Yeah, but the intensity was there, know, the drivers, were, there was a couple of drivers, ⁓ beefing, ⁓ Slim Pushins: Ha ha ha ha! Christopher Townsend: So who is beefing? Slim Pushins: ⁓ Lance Christie was mad at the world. Jim Gardner: Well, rather Christopher Townsend: ⁓ it's so funny you brought this up. Okay, I gotta give my two cents because he, I like Lance, but I gotta give my two cents because he turned his comments off on his post, which I thought was really, really smart because he was kind of getting flamed, I think. So I'm sitting in there watching, I'm like, he's rolling down the back straight away. And I looked at someone, I said, why is he lugging it? Like, what are we doing? He is lugging it. And I was like, and I turned around and I'm talking. Jim Gardner: Yeah Slim Pushins: You Jim Gardner: and that's Christopher Townsend: And I turned back around and he's facing the wrong way. And I'm like, he was lugging it all the way. And then he's like throwing a fit at whoever got into him. But really, I watched. Corby Scherb: Cody, Cody Pryes. Slim Pushins: Is that who it was? For some reason I thought it was Bolden. Was it Cody Price? Christopher Townsend: No, him and Bolt, he ran over Bolden, but I was kind of caught off guard. I was like, well, one dude, why are you lugging the start so bad? Like, and then after we went to his pit area after he's like, well, my stuff takes off the best. I'm like, okay, whatever. Cool. Like my stuff does too. Okay. But like, it doesn't mean we got a lug to start at 1500 RPMs. Like what is the, you know what I mean? And then just. Corby Scherb: No... Yeah. Jim Gardner: I went to the dyno. Yeah. Corby Scherb: Yeah, I agree. Slim Pushins: I guess he was mad at Bolden and then he was pissed off at the track because they docked him a road. But basically I didn't see it. I I was wrenching on Jim's car. Christopher Townsend: I feel like they should have punished the front row, not just him. The two drivers came together, you know what mean? They probably should have docked both, and then with all due respect, he did. Corby Scherb: From what I saw was, yeah, what I could see was he didn't like push Bolden up the racetrack but he kind of was like middle high on enter of turn three and so then if you're like you said you started front row outside like you start to go into a panic mode of this guy's gonna push me up to the wall and I'm not gonna be able to roll around and so they were fighting over the same real estate and I don't like super slow starts. There was a couple of the people that I know had done that to me and I don't like that. Jim Gardner: What? Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: Feel like you're starting pole at your race to start don't don't mess up the dude on the third row Because you feel like going that slow is going to help you Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Jim Gardner: Yeah. yeah, I guess he was frustrated with Cody who started behind him and maybe got into them. And then I, well, if you're going to start the pace that slow, everybody's going to stack up. It's going to be bumper cars back there. You're, you're putting everybody in a tough spot. ⁓ and you know, anytime there's a racing deal like that, there's shared blame to go around cause it's. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, he was pretty fired up. Well, I'm gonna get into you too. Slim Pushins: This is a podcast of honesty. Corby Scherb: For sure. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Jim Gardner: there's moving, you know, everybody's trying to get theirs. ⁓ you know, I didn't see, so they ended up putting Lance to the back and Cody and Caitlin. Christopher Townsend: ⁓ well, a row back, a row back. No, they just... Corby Scherb: Well, basically, yeah, like them three spun out. was Lance, Cody, and Caitlin Dixon. And so basically, he was supposed to start pulling. He lined it up second row outside. He just like they just re-racked the whole field. Slim Pushins: in one row. Jim Gardner: Okay. So, so Bolden moved down to the pole. Whoever was behind Bolden was outside the front row and then, okay. And then they put those three in the very back. So he ended up getting penalized one row and still on the bottom. Corby Scherb: Yep. Yep. Yep. Slim Pushins: So Lopez just said. Christopher Townsend: This guy says... ⁓ go ahead. Slim Pushins: Lopez just said the complaint I got was that some teams don't have push ATVs and teams complained that it was not fair for others to be given information about what to do. And we've had teams get off their four wheeler. That's usually every race, every race, everybody will warn you not to get off your four wheeler or not to pull up next. Makes complete sense. But, ⁓ that explanation kind of explains, ⁓ Jim Gardner: That's fine. That's fine. Yeah, there's plenty. Like I want to make sure. You know, when we had Kevin Ramey on here earlier, Kevin's like, look, you know, if you have an issue with the track, like don't bash the track. This is not bashing the track. This is just the tracks doing their best they can format track prep. Procedures, all that sort of stuff. There's just fine tuning and refinement on that. And I have no problem with the rule of like, don't talk to your driver. I just think it's really hard to police. Slim Pushins: what we were talking about. Corby Scherb: I I don't like that. I don't know about Christopher, but I want someone to say something to me. Tell me I sucked. Jim Gardner: It's really- I Yeah, I I just think it's really hard to police and tracks are series that are hang are Slim Pushins: Robert Byrum said that he was behind Carson on, I guess on that start. He said sidewalls were touching, which makes sense. Corby Scherb: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah they they were rubbing tires down the back stretch Jim Gardner: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that... Yeah. Christopher Townsend: That's what I'm saying, so should they have punished just the front row and put a bat? Jim Gardner: Well, but Carson didn't stop. mean, the number one, number one rule of racing, if you stop on track, you go to the tail. But, but yeah, I mean, Christopher Townsend: Yeah, it gets touchy it gets touchy. Yeah, it gets touchy Corby Scherb: That's such a gray area. That's... yeah. Yeah. Such a gray area. Slim Pushins: We were talking, we were talking gray or we were talking, uh, talking this morning or yesterday about Monday making the feature and, flipping the reality is if you're going to be scored and right, if you're going to be scored in 14th place, it's your spot. If you can get your car fixed, don't, I, I would have raised. Christopher Townsend: They took 14. What sucks is the dude running a dead last plugged it off in the fence all by himself trying to miss the run. I'm like, what are you doing? Slim Pushins: Yeah. Corby Scherb: Yeah. ⁓ for sure. Slim Pushins: I told Corby, I said, that been us in Monday's situation, I would have raised hell too. I don't know that you raised hell, but yeah. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Oh, I would have been finding anybody with a headset. Christopher Townsend: Okay, so he says the three cars that stopped went to the rear. I mean, so if they did that, that's fine, but it just is tough. Corby Scherb: Yeah. Slim Pushins: Okay. Jim Gardner: ⁓ it's some people get the short end of the stick it's fine Corby Scherb: Well, I'll say this TSS Yeah, TSS had a great role and Danny's role was the dude who starts front row outside controls the pace The leader starts the pole sitter starts the race But like you're saying like lugging him down down the back straightaway I mean you've been in those moments like you I can't stand on my brake pedal any harder than what I am right now I I like that that the guy on the front row outside could control the pace Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Jim Gardner: ⁓ that's just making it too complicated. You can't micromanage all these races. Like, just let the leader- Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's a tough rule. If I'm outside pole, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna idle up and drive away from me and you can either catch me or not. I'm gonna start the race and we're gonna re-rack this. I mean, I... No, I'm telling you, every time I got back to the fairway, I thought you jumped the start. I'm like, they never called it, so I'm gonna do it again. Yeah. Jim Gardner: Yeah, basically. Corby Scherb: Isn't that what you did? For sure, for sure. Jim Gardner: ⁓ I used to tell Corby that I asked him what the penalty is for jumping the start. He could never tell me. And I said, well, why don't we do it more often and find out instead of, instead of enter turn one third. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, I mean they did. I don't think they punish a single person. I don't think they should have. I don't think they punish a single person on the start at all. But I'm not saying no one jumped and I'm not saying I did, but I'm just saying like... Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. And now. Jim Gardner: No. Right. Corby Scherb: I don't think that you jumped like I said, I think that you guys both hit the pedal at the same time and you just you had a whole lot better run running down the hill like that and sometimes it just sucks to suck. Slim Pushins: Did you talk to the deuce? Did he think that you, he started inside of you? Christopher Townsend: Hey, Turner. Did I talk to him? No, I just shook his hand. Nope, he didn't say nothing to me. Corby Scherb: corny. Yeah. Slim Pushins: Yeah, was just curious whether not y'all talked, whether he thought you jelted. Christopher Townsend: I don't think they're very pleased. They don't really know who this kid is and they just got kind of worn out. Jim Gardner: Ha ha ha ha ha. Corby Scherb: We all have those nights, man. Christopher Townsend: That's what I was telling ⁓ everyone at the pit area. was like, not saying like no one knows me, but like no one knows me. No one knows what my car looks like. Like I'm not a local and like they probably look at us and like, we're fine. Like we're good. Right? Like if I'm John Carney, I'm thinking that. And then you have this kid that I've raced around John, like at some of the 14 and 360 stuff, but we never like really like talked and really, we didn't really talk this weekend, but just like a handshake. But yeah, like if I'm him, Jim Gardner: Asher is fine. Christopher Townsend: I'm not worried about you. you've like I've wavering 360 stuff together and you've never like blew my mind at a 360 race or even 410 stuff together. You never done anything there where I'm like, but no, I'm sure they weren't very pleased that a non-local guy came and stole their money. Jim Gardner: Yeah, yeah, we're Corby's been pounding the table for three weeks. Corby Scherb: telling you man I that you called you got me you proved me wrong because I said there was no way that a non-local Christopher Townsend: Yeah, you know, it's funny Jordan Jordan route just your rope whatever his last name is committed. So his his cousin is ⁓ Sean Jordan and Sean takes me he said just want to let you know I picked you for the AMA and my cousin Jordan didn't So I want to ask I want to ask Jordan why he didn't pick me and what I heard is he just thought John was gonna get me on the start or just get me in general, but Maybe next time Jim Gardner: I picked ya. Slim Pushins: What do think, Root? Corby Scherb: I'm pretty, I really am like you, you absolutely ripped like I said you gapped the field from the beginning you're super good through lap traffic and I'm impressed that a local didn't win especially with how the racetrack went because it's not easy to drive around the holes going into turn three on the top like that usually it's I mean I'll just be honest you know I didn't think that anyone else could do it Christopher Townsend: Yeah, and I appreciate it. No, it's, mean, you don't show up to your, I appreciate it. You don't show up. Well, in the heat race, I took the lead and I felt a bust in my room through three and four. Like I got, was like, I was like, damn, I better like, like, better like figure something out. So I'll turn it over over here. But no, I kind of, I kind of. Corby Scherb: So the utmost respect for you to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Christopher Townsend: I don't know, I kinda got to the hole that felt like decent enough where I was not really worried to run through them. Like I was just like, whatever. And then in the A main, I would just slide myself. I wasn't even trying to like, bliss it up there. I wasn't gonna do none of that. I'd just slide myself, get to the cushion, and get off the floor. And really turns one and two was the big, like, only worry, cause all night, that's where I felt like I struggled the most. Like I'd just be a little too far out. So I was like. Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Christopher Townsend: If can just get off turn two, I can manage three and four and that was pretty much my thought process through that whole day, Corby Scherb: Yeah, turn two gets super slick because just how the sun sets You got to make all your ground up on the entry of turn one. You can't do it coming off turn two So I truly do like respect you for showing up and doing what you did guys like John and Kyle and Marcus or no joke ever there Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, I appreciate it and it was it was it was a good race and I Don't know. I wish they were on the ⁓ go ahead Slim Pushins: Roop said, I always said, didn't think you'd drive away from everyone like you did having very minimal laps at KSP compared to the most people. he was on, Roop was in the same mindset as Corby was. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, it's on everyone else's thought process. Jim Gardner: Text textbook backpedal by Jordan. Good job. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Slim Pushins: Speaking of pics, Jim was a little salty last week. ⁓ Jim Gardner: Well, so speaking of Jordan Roupe, he ended up winning the pushing the cushion pick four challenge. ⁓ he was pitted next to me and I did the calculations really quickly. ⁓ with course light, ⁓ in my system, ⁓ in the pits there. So, ⁓ he won, ⁓ he had a super team of Kyle Jones, Landon Thompson, Jacob Gamola and chase Brewer. ⁓ Kerbo you were second in that. Slim Pushins: I mean, I got chastised the most, because why were you mad? Jim Gardner: Yeah. Well, well, I, I guilt, I guilted a lot of people into picking me, which was a mistake. Corby Scherb: No, hold on, you didn't. Slim Pushins: ⁓ shit. Corby Scherb: No, you you you gave you gave me shit about it and you were you were winning flight B Qualifying and then this number 72 car that you gave me shit about picking over you. Did he out qualify you? Caden Cole Jim Gardner: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I qualify me by half a second. Yeah. ⁓ I was the only one who picked, ⁓ in the top five who picked Christopher. So, cause I know ball, but, but I also picked myself. So I was hampered and out of the running there. ⁓ but I think I'd given Rup. ⁓ yeah, I think I'd given, I think I'd given Rup a run for, ⁓ run for his money here. Christopher Townsend: ⁓ He cancelled his own vote out. He picked one and punished him on the other. Slim Pushins: If I remember right, if I remember right, what you said to me was, Kerbo, I see what you did. I'm going to kick Gamola's ass. Jim Gardner: Yeah, that didn't happen did it Corby Scherb: Now it's cool that they have a race like that and it's bringing people from out of town I wish that the Harris brothers were there. I don't know why they didn't make it up ⁓ but you know people like Slim Pushins: Thank Christopher Townsend: text mark and mark said i think it financially it made more sense for them to go to edna it's a little closer and i think only one boy erased too so that probably kind of helped them a little bit Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Yeah I'm sure they're really hating herself I don't neither one of them have ever won up here and then you show up for the 5k to win blow the doors off them Christopher Townsend: Yeah, I know. Actually, Mark called me like a month ago. He wanted me to run his car at Cleveland locally. And I was like, yeah, I'll do that for you. Cause my 305, I literally like two weeks ago when we picked her on that race. So my 305 was just like all pickled. It wasn't even ready. And so I was like, yeah, I'll run it. I don't really want to my stuff together. And I get there and I'm like, well, can I put my like setup on or do you, do you, do you want to run your setup? He's like, Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Christopher Townsend: I like, what do you run? He said, no, what do you run? said, all right, all right, all right. So then, I mean, the guy gives me a free ride. So I'm like, well, here's what we've been racing against. And what's crazy is we do stuff similar, but kind of different all in the same way. Like, I'm big on keeping the car kind of free, I think. Like in the 305 stuff, think momentum's a big deal and keeping your car free. It's tough to balance free from drives, I think, sometimes when it's slick. Jim Gardner: Hahaha Christopher Townsend: but keeping your car built momentum is huge and that's what I really have focused on in that whole three or five deal. Corby Scherb: I'll say that I know that they're big family. You come from a family of racing and there's I think that there's moments in life that ⁓ the family dynamic can sometimes hinder certain drivers from certain certain things. ⁓ When like you said, that's why I asked you about the hands on stuff. There's a lot of kids I think that race that have no clue. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. no idea and I think that's why like I think that's why a lot of them struggle just like they don't know if they got a 1025 and or a thousand or how many rounds they got in the right rear or whatever and you ask some of those kids like and they're just like I don't know you know like that's like it's really hurting these kids coming up like we got all these bad to the bone micro racers but like they're gonna struggle Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Christopher Townsend: when they get in a sprint car racing, think, cause like, the rental ride stuff hasn't made it to sprint car racing. I know there was a car or two at Kennedale like that, but like, I don't know, car stuff is just different. Like you really gotta know what's going on, I feel like, on your car and you really gotta like zone in on, okay, that wasn't the change I liked. And I'm kind of big on knowing, like even when Chana's helping us, like he makes all the calls, but like, I'm like, hey, tell me what you did. Cause like, didn't really care for that or I did like it so I'm big on knowing what's going on that's huge I think for me. Corby Scherb: think the biggest thing is being able as you to come back into the pits and be able to explain different aspects of the racetrack. You know, there's some people who want to be super quick on entry, on exit. Someone says that it sucks just going down the straightaway because I feel like I'm, I have it turned all the way to the right. There's just different things that I don't go back to the superstitions and what you feel is comfortable and it's mental. If you feel like you can bury it on the entry of turn one, the first lap, then Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: It doesn't matter that I gotta pedal it on exit. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Yeah, no. And kind of about like the you were saying, I think about the parenting or something like that. What y'all take, I texted Corby about this, what y'all take on the parents hurting the kids? Like have y'all seen that before? Like what I mean is like there's a sponsor, right? And the sponsor's like, I really like this kid. And then the dad says something like, or the family or the whoever says something like really stupid. Slim Pushins: Mm. Corby Scherb: I think that there is. Christopher Townsend: and then like it just takes the sponsor and kind of pulls them away. Slim Pushins: helicopter parents. Corby Scherb: Yeah, I think that there needs to be a divide in it a lot of times. ⁓ I watched it happen a ton of times. ⁓ Me growing up on motorcycles where the dad would get involved with a sponsor and just absolutely wreck that kid's career. I think that they're still need they're sponsoring that kid and the kid is really who needs to be communicating with that sponsor. ⁓ When some parents get too deeply involved in it, ⁓ you can. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: It gets into muddy waters. I guess would be an easier way to say it When there's a lot of times that you need to let action speak louder than words because most 14 year old kids are not gonna say something to Some 60 year old guy. Yeah, you know Then you just let the action speak louder than words and then that falls into what you need to know for setup You need to at least understand what the race car is doing. I will tell the truth about any of this stuff we Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. hurt someone's feelings. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: We went okay in sprint cars and I still to this day, I don't even know all the names of everything. I can tell you what I like and I could come in and be like, sit down with Jimmy and Wesley and say, it's doing this in this spot. How can we fix that? I think there's a big disconnect in helping the younger generation understand what works for them. like, I mean, like shocks are crazy nowadays and like you're saying a quarter or a thousand. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: Some people can make it work because of the shock package they run. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, yeah, and the shocks are a big deal. It's a big talk. feel like everyone's like, ⁓ twin tubes or F or gas or this or that. And I'm dead on it's like my 360 program is 180 from my 305 program. Like we're on twin tubes. Okay, like different bars, obviously different chassis. And my 305 I'm on gas shocks, different chassis. Like it's just a whole different deal. And I don't like Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Christopher Townsend: I guess maybe it's kind of maybe what you grow up on like if you're a micro kid like I grew up on gas shocks like gassy asides is what we ran and so when we got in a sprint car race and we just bought a gas shock like never in my mind was like there was this like hatred not hatred but like people like there's a lot of people that like dislike them like majorly like massive like and you don't know what they're doing or a lot of people are still in their old school ways of like Corby Scherb: for sure. Christopher Townsend: not knowing what the knobs really do, you know, and I think a lot of that's where some of the kids heard them too is that's like where my like, at 305 stuff, like that's where I like make sure my stuff's perfect, like my clicks and that's where I really make my adjustments is kind of like my shock program to try to keep my car, if my car is really, really balanced, then I'm like, I know I'm close, so you don't gotta make major adjustments, but the shocks are a big deal nowadays. Jim Gardner: You don't change bars and total platform it and stagger and raise the nose and pull the wing in different spots. I can't even tell you how bad I made my car for that year race. Corby Scherb: Yeah, right, Jimmy. You don't have to make big changes. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, see, see in the heat race, like all we did, what did we do? We qualified, we didn't change nothing. Corby Scherb: Wait, that's... Jim Gardner: Alright. ⁓ God, I should just go run Grayson County this weekend, just so I could not have to think about this. ⁓ Christopher Townsend: In the heat race, literally think we were pretty... I'm pretty sure we didn't touch it. I'm telling you, I don't think we did. Literally the only thing I touched was the ADR deal to make sure my feeling was just right. Jim Gardner: Don't say you didn't touch it. Slim Pushins: Thank Jim Gardner: All right, well, you guys just. Corby Scherb: Yeah, yeah, you could you could you can overthink a sprint car really really quick and I was big Yeah And We had a plan this is what we were gonna do and then what happened yeah Slim Pushins: What about you, Jim? Jim Gardner: I made a bar change, made four shock changes, made two rear tire changes, I made an offset change, I re-blocked the car. Slim Pushins: everything with the drive. This is what we were not going to do. The plan was very simple. We're not going to overthink this. Jim Gardner: I texted Corby. I texted Corby. Blocks turns spacing stagger qualifying slick to occur slick had it written down didn't do it got off. Christopher Townsend: Stay re- Slim Pushins: CT, add a... Christopher Townsend: See, but I think that's where I think a lot of people get over their head. Like, they're like, ⁓ it's like bone slick to a curb. Like, what are we going to do? And I'm like, just stay calm and race the race car. Like, don't overcomplicate it. Slim Pushins: Yeah. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Well, the thing, the thing is, thing is when I'm just setting a car up for, for Corby or for Jeb or whoever's car I'm working on, I don't let like, I, I think totally differently, but I know what I am as a driver is not, and then I try to do too much. And that, Christopher Townsend: Jordan says I have distraction control. Do you all see this? Jim Gardner: I literally put the car exactly where it was off the truck for the LCQ and it was fine. I was most pissed. Slim Pushins: Yeah, ⁓ yeah. Corby Scherb: Dead now. I'll say this to Jordan's traction control, man. If you need traction control in a 305, we got bigger problems. That's way too much horsepower in a 305 Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Hey, he would have hate to see what my tag did after that. mean, I think a lot of people would. Maybe not Karney. I know Karney twists his stuff pretty hard, I think. Jim Gardner: or not enough horse power, yeah. Slim Pushins: ⁓ yeah. Corby Scherb: It's that's the same as personal preference and I was big I had one night at Canada where I came in After a beam in and I'm like dude like we got to go full tight like I'm not gonna run the tops too gnarly It's it's super scary and Jimmy's like, okay, okay And you let me like say my whole spill and he pulled me over to the side and he was like, are you sure? And I was like, man, you know, it's pretty sketchy out there and then Talk me out of doing exactly what Jimmy did if you go out there and cut a good lap in qualifying Don't change the car Jim Gardner: Yeah, yeah, I just live it. I can't I have it like I don't know. I don't even want to talk about it. Moving on, moving on. I haven't messed a car up that bad in 10 years. Yeah. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Corby Scherb: Steel flabbergasted. Slim Pushins: So crossways. Lopez told us to tell Mike Fieri hello. I don't know if Mike's listening or watching. Corby Scherb: Thanks Mike. Thanks for everything you do for not just sprint car racing but local racing at Kennedale. We really appreciate everything Christopher Townsend: Yeah, he told me he put up like some of the first or half of it or I don't know. Cool. Corby Scherb: Yep. Super good guy. Super, super nice guy. Yep. Jim Gardner: Mike, Mike. Slim Pushins: That dude's always, always doing stuff. Every class, lots of tracks. Christopher Townsend: I really can't believe his photos are for real free. Like someone told me that. I was like, his photos are free? Jim Gardner: ⁓ yeah, I pulled up an email. I pulled up an email this morning. was like, ⁓ Mike sent me an email at 430 in the morning. It's got 17 photos of a car with no stickers on it. so he's he's the man. So, ⁓ yeah. Thank you, Lopez, for reminding us to give Mike a shout out. Corby Scherb: ⁓ for sure. Christopher Townsend: Now, that's pretty wild. Not a lot of people do that stuff for fruit. Your Insane does need traction control. Corby Scherb: Jordan. We're still working on the the the feet with Jordan a little bit. That's been a big big thing. Jim Gardner: I needed it in that to hear it. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Jim Gardner: So you, ⁓ Christopher, you are going to run speed week. Christopher Townsend: I'm gonna attempt to the whole speed week. I think I've only been to one of the racetracks on that, so that'll kinda suck. I think I've only been to Enos. haven't been to, I literally don't think I can name a single one that I've been to. So that'll kinda be a curve ball, but we'll see. And hopefully, I don't know, I'm really just focused on that points championship if I can win that. Jim Gardner: Yeah, that'll be good. I think we're going to get a pretty good field. ⁓ Christopher Townsend: But the rain looks terrible. Jim Gardner: Yes, well. Slim Pushins: Yeah, early in the week it does. Jim Gardner: Yeah, so ⁓ just have to hope and pray. Corby Scherb: It's cool, think, I don't like how we're bouncing back and forth across the state, but I do agree that... Christopher Townsend: Yeah, that doesn't really make sense. When you go to like Paris and hunt and then green like this and that and I'm like, whoa. Corby Scherb: Yeah. Slim Pushins: We were talking about it. I'm sure that there's a legitimate reason that doesn't really matter what we think, but yeah, it's, it makes it even hard to get a hotel room somewhere because it's clear across the Metroplex. Christopher Townsend: Well, I'm sure the tracks don't really want to run on a- Corby Scherb: For sure. Sometimes it's it's two and a half hours to the next race, you know Jim Gardner: Yeah. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, which it's not really... It's really not like... It's really not that bad, like two and a half hours doesn't break my heart. It's just that we passed three of the racetracks on the way to one of them. I'm like, ⁓ dang. Slim Pushins: Man, these 410s are tearing stuff up. Jim Gardner: I think they're... Slim Pushins: This is the way. Corby Scherb: For sure. Jim Gardner: Yeah, it was last year was more straightforward, but I think they're trying to go, know, who gets Wednesday night versus who gets no. No, it was the finale last year, but now the finale is Texarkana. Like Texarkana had Wednesday last year and they have ⁓ Sunday this year. ⁓ You know, probably just trying to get those tracks on the weekends, you know. Corby Scherb: through share. Christopher Townsend: We don't go to Harder Texas this year. Slim Pushins: No. For Speed Week? No. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Slim Pushins: Hey, there's Mike. Jim Gardner: on off the weekends because there's Wednesday and Thursday nights are going to be tough to sell tickets. So, but yeah, I think it's going to. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Corby Scherb: RPM would be cool. RPM would be a slide fest. It's a true short track. It's cool. Rocket's cool. It's super round. County is super D-shaped. Christopher Townsend: I never been to RPM. I don't know. Yeah. Never been there. Never been there. Okay, now I'm kind of eat my own words. I have been to Grayson. Well, I mean not Grayson I have been in Greenville before yeah Yep, been there once or twice Jim Gardner: Greenville. It was super racy last year. The race at Greenville last year was probably one of the better races of Speed Week. So ⁓ looking forward to. Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Christopher Townsend: Who runs the Speedweek? Like who's the promoter? Slim Pushins: Texer can is a great facility too. Jim Gardner: Nathan Moore and race on. I was talking to Nathan today because we're going to try to do another pick them challenge next week. So I was trying to get some insight on, uh, who's all running and committing for every, every one. Cause I don't want to like, you know, have people sink all their teeth in the gym Gardner, uh, fan zone just to, uh, not have me show up. So Slim Pushins: Nathan Moore. Christopher Townsend: Mm. K. Jim Gardner: I was trying to figure out kind of who's going to run for the title, who's going to run a couple nights so we could get some of that in. And he's excited. Well, yeah. Christopher Townsend: Someone says Corby Scherb: You might as well just put your money on CT. Christopher Townsend: No, no, no, no, no, I want to roll into the racetrack again like nobody knows me. I didn't win Kennedale like I'm just like Yeah Jim Gardner: Well, that's not gonna happen. So the target is on your back. Slim Pushins: Yeah, that ship is sailed, buddy. Corby Scherb: Shit, everyone knows who you are now. You can let that idea go. Christopher Townsend: And this guy says he wants to know about our dyno. So Darryl and Ian dyno all my stuff, Kennedy, and they are phenomenal. Like, I don't know if any of y'all have ever been there, but like, they don't let an engine go out of there how I've ever been there. Like, they'll never be like, ⁓ whatever, go on, that sucked, or come back next week. And when you find your issue, let me know. Like, they will work from, I I normally get the dyno at like 10 a.m. and. I normally don't get off of it till like eight, I feel like, cause I mean like, yeah. So, well, my funny story is so I didn't run my engine this week. I ran Dustin Woods, which really helped me a lot. And that was kind of why I wanted to risk in the dough. Cause I didn't really want to put my engine in and it wasn't really going to be ready. So he let me run his engine through Darrell and Ian. Like Darrell got me in contact with him and ⁓ I text Ian, Hey, I'm actually going to come up Thursday, put this engine in that night. Corby Scherb: I think they only do one car. They refuse to do any more than one. Christopher Townsend: And we'll dine on Friday morning and he's like, okay, well, I got there pretty early Thursday, like a little earlier than I thought. And we put the engine in there and they built someone's 360. So they dined it and they got it done and they stuck ours on the diner and we're running it. And I'm sitting there and I'm like scratching my head and this thing ain't running like, and they like cannot figure out why. it's like 1130, 12 AM, maybe, maybe a little earlier, but like we're trying to figure out what the deal is. And it's, it's off. and we're we're scrapped our head, we're doing this, we're doing that. And we look at it or we're like thinking and Ian just like out of the blue is like, hey, let's just run the valves. Let's just like double check everything. Cause Ian and them have their own car they dyno with and they're like, yeah, I ran just fine online. And we're running the valves and on the valve spring where the valve goes up, there's two keepers and the keepers work their way out. Like the keepers were sitting on top of the valve spring and it was about to be catastrophic. Like it was going to be a gnarly blow up. And Antonio, without them finding that, I would have never, I mean, it would have blown up quick. Like how? Jim Gardner: $8,000 set of keepers. Corby Scherb: For sure. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, yeah, no, it would have been a massive loss for I mean me as one of the race and then the engine builder and It and I look good, which we got so lucky didn't blow up on the dyno Which I don't know how because I'm telling you the keeper for like sitting on top the valve almost like it was gonna be bad It was it was scary I Did I kind of felt bad? Yeah, and then we like we pulled it off the dyno and we did all that and it's like I don't it's probably Corby Scherb: Yeah, right? Jim Gardner: Yeah. Woo! Yikes. Corby Scherb: That was an $8,000 fine for sure. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Christopher Townsend: 1 30 in the morning like y'all can go to bed like I'm not y'all it's okay There's another day and there was like now I'm gonna go run to like they had the dinoshock and then their engine shop there We have some keepers at the at the engine shop to say go get it You don't have to go do this we can do this tomorrow Well, Darryl was big on getting it done while you sir because he was going out of town the next day But like I said without them two guys, I mean the last couple I don't know the last six months. I don't Jim Gardner: Hahaha! ⁓ Christopher Townsend: I don't know what I've done right or wrong, but they've really like come to terms with liking me. And I think cause like, when the guy builds your engines and they dyno it, like they want it, like they send you that dyno sheet for a reason. And I'd never like go off of it. And anytime I have an issue, not like an issue where anytime I have a motor and I think of this, like my 14, I think there's something wrong with it. And Darryl and didn't build it, but Ian was like, bring it to me. Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Christopher Townsend: let's put it on our diner and let's find the issue. And we haven't done it yet, but like, like my engine builder ain't whoever built it ain't gonna do that. But like these guys are willing to, and I don't know what's made them attached to me so much here recently, but I really did appreciate it. Cause man, without them, I, when I probably couldn't have won that race. Slim Pushins: It's always good to have something like that in your back pocket. Corby Scherb: It takes people like that for sure. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, yeah. Now that, like Darryl was like, dude, it's, it's going to be a big deal if you can get like, you talk about my starts, but really my engine took off like perfect. Like just like fired off and I was good to go. So like I said, it just, without them have nothing right. It wouldn't have been a win for me. And it's just not me winning. It's also them winning and you know, Taylor and the guy that owns the engine, Dustin Woods, like it's a big group effort. Corby Scherb: For sure. Sure, I think that racing is faulted a lot of times when people just try to do it alone It takes a lot of people a lot of people that will dumbly stand there with you at two in the morning While you're saying like do you just call it a night? I'm done. It's no big deal and they know in their head that we have to finish this tonight Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I just think Darryl like he's told me before he like Like when an engine comes in he's like it's not that complicated to get it to run he's like there's only a couple things and he's like I he's like I he was telling me one story, but he like ⁓ he found at the very end but like he's never Like gave up on my stuff and he's like I won't say their names. He's like but other people would he's like Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Christopher Townsend: They're not gonna spend eight hours on this thing or 10 hours or whatever it is. He's like, they'll tell you like, go home and figure it out and bring it back up to me. yeah, yeah. So like I said, without them getting that thing tuned, I wasn't gonna win that race. And what's funny is I don't think John Carney Dino's there. So maybe that's why I won. Yeah. Corby Scherb: Good luck. Yeah. Slim Pushins: So. Corby Scherb: There was. Right? Slim Pushins: So. Corby Scherb: There was there was many nights in my racing that I Kerbo didn't actually do anything He would be there in the shop, but Jimmy and Wesley just slave in until super late at night That's the only reason that you can show back up the next weekend is it takes people like that takes people believing in you, You know like we'll go back to the mental and the psyche of it ⁓ But people believe in you it helps out a lot. I know you didn't Yeah for sure Slim Pushins: I didn't believe in you. didn't believe it was the beer for me. Jim Gardner: I spent many nights sleeping on the creeper. Christopher Townsend: It's so tough. It's tough to like, recently I feel like I've been given like a massive opportunity and some days like I sit back and I try to like figure out why, like what did I do so right to like have these people's trust? What did I do right for this guy to let me run his engine? What did I do right for Darryl and Ian kind of taking me under their wing? What did I do right to get Shannon? Like some of this stuff just like has gone so good for me. You can't like. you like I said, you wonder why like I rolled into the pit area Saturday, like knowing I had the absolute best chance to win that race. Like nobody was on Darrell and Ian's Dino like for Thursday and Friday. It was me. And so like when those guys are spending their hard earned time, you, I mean, you have to, you have to be willing to do everything you got. So is it taking that jump on the AMA like kind of tough? Yeah. But if you don't jump that starter, you know, Corby Scherb: For sure. Christopher Townsend: boundary it, you don't win the race. So when those guys are putting in time and time again for you, you gotta make sure you show up. Corby Scherb: For sure man. It is, it's mental and it helps a lot. ⁓ for sure. Slim Pushins: It's just being a good dude. know, if you're a respectful guy, you just be a good person. Things happen, you know, because there's a lot of the opposite of that in this sport. Everybody looking out for themselves. But yeah, you know. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah, like Darryl, he texted me, he's like, you did great tonight. He's like, just don't let it get over your head and keep helping people. And it's funny as the guy parked next to me and I've been there, like I've not had my stuff. I need to borrow this. And Ian is over there. Their barrel valve is like way off and they can't get it to run and they're all helping them. And the B main comes in and his noseling is just like laid over on top of this hood. And he runs up to me. He's like, do you have any noseling posts? And I was like, no, but I got this pre-built nose wing you can run, so he put it on his car and it. I was like, whatever. I mean, yes, is it the nose wing? Yeah, but at the same time, that guy's there just as we are. He thinks he has a chance at winning the race just like we are, he's gonna wanna go out there. So some of that stuff isn't that big of a deal to me, because I would want someone to help me. Slim Pushins: you Corby Scherb: I that's the greatest thing about 305 racing around here still is you can go up to someone that you barely know and ask for a part and they're gonna pull it out of the trailer and give it to you. Slim Pushins: That's big. Don't ever lose. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Cause I promise, some nights like, well like, when I say this, like, all these new trailers have these doors, like these rear doors, so does mine. Like I'm not gonna say this, but like, sometimes, like, I got a question, I don't have the courage to go walk up and knock on that rear door and ask you a stupid question. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just not gonna do it. I'm kinda just not gonna ask the question, so. Corby Scherb: Right. Christopher Townsend: That's why I gotta tell a lot of people on my halo, if this is a stupid question, can tell me like right now before I ever get completed with it. Slim Pushins: Lopez just asked if they should make this a 10,000 to win next year. It was damn near a 10,000 to win for you this year. Corby Scherb: be huge. I know right? You see it a couple more laps. Christopher Townsend: Nyehehehe Slim Pushins: You got what are your plans? You got any plans for the money? Christopher Townsend: Yeah, a 10-grinder wind would be huge. Not really. mean, no, probably actually this 14 either get help, I get a rebuild or whatever the issue is where I don't really, it's not blown up, but like, I don't know what it's going to take to get it fixed. Slim Pushins: What else? You said you submitted some questions. What else you got? Anything else? Christopher Townsend: I had this thing so... Did we talk about crashing in the beat? Yeah, I think we did. We talked about the role in the team, 105. Corby Scherb: Yeah, we did. Definitely no chicken on race day, definitely. Christopher Townsend: No chicken on Thursday. Yeah, I don't know. What do y'all, are y'all a big social person at the racetrack? Like do you go talk to other drivers? Corby Scherb: I am, my brothers weren't. Jimmy's not. Jimmy is not. Jimmy is the most unapproachable guy you've ever met in your entire life. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Slim Pushins: Yeah. Unapproachable. He hates hearing that because he's not like that when his feet aren't on the dirt. Jim Gardner: And I know it's true. Corby Scherb: I am, I wanna talk to everyone, like I said, I mean, I've known you for a couple of years. Jim Gardner: Since we've started doing this, I've had to go do some shaking grins and kiss some babies, but I'm much rather just stick to myself. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. open up a little bit. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like I am a sociable person, but like when you won the heat race, none of the drivers are talking like in that little like circle down there. So I'm like trying to like act all, you know, stood up and Corby Scherb: I do think, man, I really do agree with you. I do think you're kind of an unheard of up here. Like I said, I've known you, ⁓ I've known Jacob and Tyler, and ⁓ you've always been super, super fast down there. Christopher Townsend: I'm not gonna lie, I don't think nobody knew who I was sitting down there like when I went to go pill draw like nobody talked to me they didn't have a clue like no one saying hi nothing I was like well it's fine Corby Scherb: That, ⁓ yeah. Maybe that's what you're supposed to do now. You're not supposed to talk to anyone. Like you're just supposed to be quiet and all by yourself. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, it's tough. I don't Slim Pushins: I can tell you, I can tell you the podcast, since we started this, it opened a lot of conversation at the track because, which is great for Corby and I, it's horrible for Jim, but. Jim Gardner: Yeah, because I didn't see my crew most of the night. It was just me and dad back there. Slim Pushins: So. Corby Scherb: I got wrapped into helping someone change that rear end. Jim Gardner: Back there kitchen sink in my car. Slim Pushins: There's a lot, there's been a lot of conversation, podcast conversation and stuff that we've talked about, people bringing it up and we're, we're, ⁓ Christopher Townsend: I want to ask, what was the issue in qualifying for them? Do you know? And it came out? Corby Scherb: Snappering ball and spline rear end It came out went back in twice and that's It ⁓ this nappery it came off They ran it the weekend before in Lawton the same rear end and ⁓ Kennedale is is super Tough whenever you drop in from one and three There's a lot of people that won't run those anymore and they want the helper spring at the front of your joke Jim Gardner: Yeah. Christopher Townsend: so they didn't have their snap ring in. Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: and that's why I was just walking by and just a five-foot was standing there and I said dude it's a driveshaft and he was like no like then they were pulling the gears out and all this stuff and it's you know a million degrees and I'm like dude I'm telling you it's a driveshaft telling you right now and So sure enough like we pulled it so then next thing know I had reaches in my hand We pulled the torque tube forward and I was like there it is told you man change it all it the snap ring had just like turned sideways and So it would come out and then go back in Christopher Townsend: It was just sitting there. So what happened in the heat rate or what happened in their B main or their heat rates? Corby Scherb: We're gonna get him in trouble. ⁓ didn't have time to get the shifter cable on, so it popped out of gear. Christopher Townsend: tight. Yeah. See, that's what I thought was happening qualifying. I was like, if he would just hold it in gear for a lap, maybe about maybe he did, maybe he didn't. It's kind of tough. Corby Scherb: Right. That's like I said, I've heard that before I've actually I was right behind Chad Wilson one night when it did the exact same thing where it would be rev up and then go back down so like the Drive shafts coming out and going back in It didn't destroy it man. Like it was crazy Like it was it was galled up on the end But it you could have put it back in like if that was the only drive shaft you had to run the night You could have put it back in there ⁓ It was it Christopher Townsend: Did it destroy the dry shaft? Mm-hmm. ⁓ It's crazy like when you don't park it next to someone you don't realize like what they go through tonight. That's that's pretty wild Jim Gardner: They I went down there they were about four trailers down from me and ⁓ went down there and talked to koi and and and Justin and their team because they those boys worked their asses off for that kid ⁓ on Saturday night they ⁓ They were thrashing yeah, no help. me Corby was over there supervising and Corby Scherb: ⁓ for sure. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: No help from me. Slim Pushins: I took Corby a bottle of water and he just shit on it. Corby Scherb: No, I told it. No, I told him like I'm huge on water I drink probably too much water a day and I took her I was like do like I'm parched man. I gotta have a water and he's like, alright I got you he walks off and he comes back with a half drink water bottle I said what the happen to the rest of it? Then Braxton wouldn't got me a cold water, but Jim Gardner: you You Yeah. Yeah. Slim Pushins: I was thirsty and our water was limited. Corby Scherb: You were too focused on after drink or after the race drinks not Slim Pushins: No, no, no. We stopped at the same EG on the way to the track. Two bags of ice, an 18-pack of Coors light, a couple of PD lights, zero water. Jim Gardner: Well, well, yeah, five field had grabbed me or something. He goes, Hey, uh, you're to come get a, uh, Braxton shirt. And I was, cause I guess I keep saying his last name wrong on the podcast. And so was like, I should buy his t-shirt and five field wouldn't let it go. He's like, Oh yeah, come on down any time, any time. And the only time I had downtime, they had the whole rear end out of the damn thing. So then I had to get one after the race. But, uh, anyway. Christopher Townsend: That's pretty wild. Just not pretty. Corby Scherb: We got it done man that there was there was a there was a lot of people over there But yeah, like I said, I knew it ⁓ and it's the same concept It could be a million different things of why it's doing that. Like you said, it's just popping itself out of gear with a shifter And it just it takes a good guess Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. can't believe it went back into like, he like, when he'd go down the street, it would go back in. Corby Scherb: Yeah, it would just yeah, like you said pop out on entry of the corner and then it would jump itself back in Jim Gardner: We Yeah, I was working on... I thought he was gonna stuff the car in the fence too. Christopher Townsend: got that poor thing got raw checked like three times in a row. I like, oh my god. Yeah, I know the second time I did it I was like, DOOOONNNN Jim Gardner: Yeah, yeah, the kitten is not scared at all. Corby Scherb: He's braver than me. Yeah, braver than me. For sure. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Jim Gardner: but... Slim Pushins: Corby was whining about that he couldn't find his water. He misplaced his water when we got to the track and cried about that for a while. Jim Gardner: Uggghhh Slim Pushins: All right, we need to wrap this up. I got one final question. Jim Gardner: All Slim Pushins: Gary Kelly said, where did the engine come from? Christopher Townsend: Dustin Woods and like the Kennedy's like Kennedy didn't build it but Kennedy got me the connection to Dustin Woods. Dustin Woods owns the engine. I ran the engine. Slim Pushins: He asked if it came off of Facebook Marketplace. Was it in like an old Buick before you put it in here? Jim Gardner: You Corby Scherb: Probably knowing him because he just went from a nobody to a somebody. Slim Pushins: All right, one last question. Do you believe that we landed on the moon? Christopher Townsend: What like before I really got into it like thinking about it I Think it's BS and I think why it's BS is because They say there's no wind up there so how in 1969 is our flag going straight So what is like someone really would have to explain to me how our flag is gonna wave way up there on the moon And then if we just went back up there, why did we circle around it? Slim Pushins: But all good questions. Who filmed the first steps on the moon from 60 feet away? Corby Scherb: This didn't happen because it didn't happen. That's He's still up there. We left him. We left him. Christopher Townsend: Okay, so go back to the, I know you want to wrap this up, which I'm just fine with, but so I got this wrong. Someone, the someone that asked where this motor come from, Scott Baylor made this pose. Okay, I'm just reading this off. Branding long gold engines back in Texas and still winning races. The first race, it won its first race in 2016. And then 10 years later, it won this. Engine came out of Missouri for 14. So yeah, so somehow that guy got. Slim Pushins: No. Jim Gardner: Herba doesn't really want to wrap it up. He's sick of racing talk and wants to talk about conspiracies. Christopher Townsend: He bought it from I'm guessing from Facebook and then yeah, that's pretty sweet. So the engine was in your history Corby Scherb: Some of the old dogs like Gary, Kaylee would remember that stuff. Yeah. Slim Pushins: Gary Kelly knows the stuff. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, I don't know who Brandon Long is, but the new driver, Kenny Potter, won a couple of championships before retiring. The engine was sold to a team returning to Texas. A brief stop at Dine and Do it. Yeah, pretty cool. So I guess Scott originally built it and then someone took it and kind of got lost and made his way back to Texas. It's pretty wild. Corby Scherb: That's cool man. It's always cool that we get old people like that that are older, not saying they're old. Older people who know that stuff and... Same. Jim Gardner: Jeez, Corby. Jeez. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Slim Pushins: There it is. There it is. We have 10 listeners. Christopher Townsend: ⁓ this is juicy. It's the copy of the engine, Rami 1 Eagle is. Corby Scherb: See? Slim Pushins: Copy. Carbon. Copy. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Corby Scherb: He's an old dog man that that dude is is one of the best are you going to go to race ever nationals this year? Christopher Townsend: I'll see. Yeah, so I'm looking forward to going back to the Speed Week and at Kennedal they said they have one more or a couple three or five shows so I might try to get back there at least once or twice. Then Eagle is like a huge, Eagle is like one of my favorite places to go to. I really like Eagle. Slim Pushins: If you parked down the hill, you have somebody paying attention to when your next race starts because it's really easy to miss a feature. Zero. Disaster. Jim Gardner: Hahaha Christopher Townsend: What I think is so wild is practice day, they have no organization. just like shove. It's so stupid. It's the dumbest thing I think I've ever been to. I'm like, I'm like sitting back there, like 10 cars out there and like guy, the 30th car on the back just whips it up through there. And I was like, I don't know. Maybe we should be in a line, you know? Like, I don't know. Corby Scherb: It is absurd. It's just Battle Royal. Yeah No, it's just like a giant like v like this and only one car can get through and so your wheel hop in each other Not even running Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we're gonna wipe each other out before we ever make a lab Slim Pushins: I told Kevin Rutherford, was like, listen, this is how this is going to go. You hang on and we're going to absolutely push and shove. You're going to, you're just don't let me break anything on your front end and we're going to get you on the track. And that's exactly how it goes. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, yeah, no, I like Eagle. I hope my like we kind of lined up to go there. It's a good time. It's another race I'll probably like not be too like worried about. Like I hope to make the A main, but there I really enjoy going to the less stressful races. Like I stress going to like an ASCO show because I haven't won a national show yet. And it's kind of on my bucket list to get done and nights that I think I should do better. I don't. And so I look forward to going there for sure. Slim Pushins: I think even Ryder need to put up some money to see who wins the national show first. Christopher Townsend: yeah the odds are against Ryder right now i thought poor dude can't keep it on all fours which i'm not saying it ain't gonna come to me either but like like Slim Pushins: He's had some horrible luck. ran over, he ran over something and flipped, caught fire and then his wing blew apart at TMS. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, they said it can't which is so crazy like I watched him wrecking a 3 and 4 and I like it like I don't know it was the most weird right? mean the car just literally went straight Slim Pushins: It was very uncharacteristic. It like took flight. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, yeah, it was wild. was, that's not, that's not good. But I don't know, someone said he might not run speed weeks. I don't know, we'll see. Slim Pushins: It was a lick. Corby Scherb: He'll be at Speed Week. Slim Pushins: Well, listen if we... Christopher Townsend: I thought I would think he would. mean, you're the champion of last year. And then someone was like, no, he's not going. I'm like, the rider is going to come. can guarantee he's going to come. Corby Scherb: He's gotta defend it. Slim Pushins: You, after your first nationals win or national series win, you got to come back on. Corby Scherb: the kid. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I hope to make that happen soon. We're gonna run it. don't like us just as a National series but an ASC show is like my goal like I want to beat Sam and Matt Covington and these you know, Blake Connelly I want to beat those guys were Like I'm not you know, I'm not just a somebody I'm somebody they like well, you know these fast so we gotta watch out for him, but Slim Pushins: How many laps did they run? How many laps did this 410 race run? Like I feel like they've been racing for like an hour and a half. Corby Scherb: Alright dude... Where? Christopher Townsend: What'd you say? Jim Gardner: They had an open red 25 minutes ago. Christopher Townsend: Before this ends, I know you want to end this, but there's a big deal. Like you have to have a brand new car, you know, every year you build a brand new car. What's y'all thoughts on that? And then I'll kind of, I'll kind of circle around. Slim Pushins: No, what do you got? Bring it. Corby Scherb: Absolutely not. Slim Pushins: I think it's all BS. Corby Scherb: Absolutely not man. My favorite car that I ever had was an old eagle 8640 standard rail It was honestly probably like a 2006 to 2008 Chassis and it flexed in all the right spots and it got its career ended at Eagle at race saver nationals No, I believe that you can take Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: Lot of people get too consumed with it has to be a maximum it has to be an 8740 raised rail and you have to like you're saying like build a brand new one every year Well, these guys who are building brand new ones every year also cutting the X out of the radiator mounts and they're they're doing all this goofy stuff I don't believe in that I believe that you can take just about any car and make it work To what you want as long as we talked about it Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: If you can come in the pit area and tell me what the car is doing that you didn't like in this spot, but you liked it over here, you can make adjustments to that. ⁓ I, I was real big on this is where I unloaded. This was my baseline and this is where I started from Cleveland to Grayson to hunt County TMS Eagle, no matter where I went because I liked what the car felt like here. ⁓ Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Corby Scherb: I don't, I'll never, you'll never, if you're running 410 stuff and you're twisting them that hard, you probably have more of an argument that the 305 stuff is that's crazy talk to build something brand new every year. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, uh like three or four years ago, um, uh, maybe five We've you know, we run j &j's or like we did before I got shenan And uh, we were running a car and my dad's like we need to buy a spare car Like it just would be nice and just so we'd have another car. So anyways, uh alan meyers and j or alan meyers and then Um, he runs the wing modifiers now. What is my cody cody adams? Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Christopher Townsend: Or yeah, Cody Adams. They had this car is 305 for sale. They're allended and but Cody race reform and they had this car for sale and we bought from him and it's a 2013 Jane J 86 40 and We put it in the corner for a couple weekends and we flipped we heard a car until we built it and the first night in it I like let half the race and with a couple to go I got beat but I was like this thing is good. Like I like this car so like they had a I know, it's like where the floor pan is in the car, the two bars that are under the back, they're both bent up. Like they're both bent up, like you can vividly see them bent up. And then the front rack is 100 % bent, like, cause I've bent it. And so yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's crazy about that. Squares up fine, motor's fine. But like, kinda like you said, I don't know, 86, 40 cars, I just think maybe cause they react just to that inch sooner. I don't know what the deal is. I just. Corby Scherb: Right. Christopher Townsend: I love the car like it's literally like it'll I really I have the car for sale like the cars for sale and no one bought it for me so I was like fine I'll race it whatever so then like now I'm like kind of scratching my head because do you really sell it like you know the mean like how do you sell that thing now it just I mean it's never done me no wrong Corby Scherb: I think that you can make just about all of them. Some of the older stuff is probably better. Just a little bit more flex in it. you know, you got to be a pretty good driver to notice the difference in like how a chassis reacts with where your A-frame is. So running a halo to running a left arm guard like, you know. Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm Yeah Yeah, see this car doesn't have a halo. It's at the left arm like the sissy bar kind of loop down on it ⁓ I think it has a small X in it. They don't have a degree motor play. It don't have nothing fancy like Yeah Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that's tuning yourself out of the race before you ever made it there because you Christopher Townsend: think the floorboard is standard it's not the inch move forward or whatever it I don't think nothing's crazy about it. Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. Yep, agree. I like that man. Keep it simple You ain't got to go out and spend millions of dollars on some brand new chassis same. I'm a Chad Wilson He runs his old car. He likes his old car a whole lot better than the new stuff Christopher Townsend: Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I was kind of worried after I crashed it a couple years ago. I was kind of worried I was like this thing probably gonna be any good and we fixed it ourself with the tube that was like barely small enough to fit in the front rack to bend it back and It's fine. You make the bushings free enough. I mean, it's gonna be I think I've kind of just figured out it's fine Jim Gardner: I had a- Corby Scherb: Yeah. Yep. Jim Gardner: It ain't going to the moon. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, and it ain't gonna land there. Yep. Corby Scherb: because we didn't go there. Slim Pushins: We never win. Jim Gardner: That's right. All right. That's. Christopher Townsend: They ain't gonna land there. Slim Pushins: Listen, we really appreciate it. It was good time. We had a good time watching you. Your camp was on the backstretch with us Saturday night. it's always, you always feel like you're part of the team when you're kind of surrounded by those folks. You know, they were ecstatic. Corby Scherb: So. Christopher Townsend: Yeah, I guess my girlfriend was maybe standing on your four wheeler. She's like, I'm standing on this random dude's four wheeler and he's just like cheering for you. I like that's probably that's probably love over there. Yeah. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Yeah, I helped her down. Yeah, she was into it Slim Pushins: No. She rolled up in that 110, like two rows back from the fence. And I was like, that's not going to work. He started up front. You need to come over. stand on this. She's like, am I going to break anything? I was like, man, probably. It's all good though. So. Christopher Townsend: Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Nah, I tell you what, like a lot of people told me I got lucky, but she was like a huge help. Like you hear these people, these car owners, like, ⁓ girlfriends are distractions and I get it. You know, they probably can be, but like mine's the total opposite. Like mine is like, she's going to get down there and like help me even though it might not be help, but she's going to do whatever she can to help me. So no, she's a huge supporter and it's kind of like how we get up and down the road. Corby Scherb: That's awesome. Yeah, that's like. Kerberos just there like he's just there. He's he doesn't do anything. He's there. Jim Gardner: That's kinda like Kerbo. Slim Pushins: She was, she was, I can tell you. She was your biggest cheerleader Saturday night. She sniffed me on it. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. ⁓ hey, look, y'all didn't see nothing. I mean, and I hope her family gets to this clip and watches it. They at Cleveland, like where the skills are, you go to the left and you go right straight up like the stands. The whole top section is theirs. And when I say theirs, it's like 20 people. And I'm telling you, some nights I can hear them screaming. I'm like, guys. Corby Scherb: Mm-hmm. That's so rad. Christopher Townsend: It's like, it's the most redneck as it gets at our local racetrack some nights. There's like the straight cheering and she doesn't let it, she don't get bashful about it around other people. like, hey, you know, you're like around other crew members here. You ain't got to scream in their ear. Corby Scherb: Right? Slim Pushins: Yeah. Well, they'll watch it. We'll make it a highlight and post it. But yeah, she was, she was by far your biggest cheerleader. She stiffed me on a high five because she was so excited to get, to get down and get around. So I was cool with it, but it was, it was a good time, man. We really appreciate you coming on. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Jim Gardner: Ha ha ha ha. Christopher Townsend: Nuh. Yeah, and big support. Jim Gardner: How, how can, ⁓ how can people follow you and follow your season by shirts, all that good stuff? How do they stay in touch with your, your racing? Christopher Townsend: so i'm the most active on facebook it's just christopher townsend motorsports and ⁓ i try to like i try to do the video stuff i think it's really important to do these videos and it kind of keeps the fans really ⁓ in track like not like if you go back and watch this video i did this oil thing and i spill oil all over my shop with these meta glasses on it was kind of cool it like worked so perfect but it just it shows them a different side of the sport like the average fan just walks and behind your trailer and she's you working and you you sign their shirt or whatever but they don't get to see like deep down so I try to show some of that and I try not to get too far away from that because I think it's really important and then I do have shirts they're actually I think I'm trying to go pick them up at the Speed Week but it's on my red car but yeah they can still show support there and yeah Facebook's my number one. Jim Gardner: All right. We appreciate you coming on, man. Congrats on the win for kicking mine and set 47 other asses on, uh, on Saturday and we'll see you in a week and a half or so for speed week. Slim Pushins: Knife. Christopher Townsend: I appreciate it. Thank you. Corby Scherb: All right, buddy, we'll see ya. Christopher Townsend: Yeah. Yep, you all soon. Slim Pushins: Talk to you later. Here you go.