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Becoming an Untamed Leader with Lauri Smith · The Bridges and Beacons Podcast

• 0:38
  SPEAKER_04: Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Bridges and Beacons podcast.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_04: I'm your host, Kelly Meyerson, and my friends, I just have to take a deep breath and a sigh and ground myself as much as I possibly can because I again have the distinct privilege of having a divine conversation with my friend Lori Smith.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_04: Hello, Lori, and welcome.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, Kelly.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_04: I have to tell you that I think this is, we've we've both been guests on each other's podcast.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_04: So this is, we're we're getting almost a handful of recorded podcast episodes together.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_04: And it is always so much fun.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_04: And no surprise to you, but it kind of reminds me of the excitement of like your first improv classes, where like anything is possible.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_04: And you have someone who's going to be like, yes, and, yes, and yes, and so that's my little geek out moment.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, little happy theater girl is like, it is so fun to talk with people who have that kind of energy.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_04: So today in our conversation, we are going to jump into my favorite topic right now, which is untamed leadership.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_04: This has been a movement that you have had a calling to start, and it's and it's growing as we sit to record this tomorrow and the next day.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_04: So at the time that this posted will probably have already occurred, but there is a retreat, the Untamed Leader Retreat, which is an un summit, which I love when you can stick un in front of a word and like just give the vibes off of that.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_04: So I think what I would love for you to do for the listener is to take us to the moment in time in 2025 when you really felt a calling for something different.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: In myself, like what how far back do you want me to go?
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_04: You you know what?
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_04: What what what sticks out for you?
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_04: Like, where do you want to go?
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_04: What does it feel like is important to say about like the inception of this idea of an untamed leader?
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: The I heard the phrase untamed leader in my head and was at first was like, that's interesting.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really know what that means, so I'll just wait for more information.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then it became untamed leader retreat.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, huh, that's interesting.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: And it was probably late November, like we were already in the holiday vacuum by that point.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I was like, this is not this, this is like starting 2026, I think.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then I felt into I oh, I think I started seeing all of the marketing for the January stuff coming already.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, this is like when you put up the Christmas decorate decorations before Halloween is even over.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: This energy of like, go, go, go, get it all done.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I went, well, an untamed leader retreat would sure be the opposite of that, which is what I'm feeling is needed, and needed beyond just like, hey, lose a thousand pounds in four minutes, you know, in the in the world of like there's some chaos going on in the world right now.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: We need some leaders, change makers, rebels who are truly committed to making the world a better place in the middle of this chaos, to have the time and space to get clear and grounded in what am I actually here to do and what is mine to do this year, and things like that.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: And and and that's not gonna happen from lose 10,000 pounds in four minutes, kind of energy.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I was kind of like, okay, I think I'm doing an untamed leader retreat somewhere in January when it's still winter and time to go inside to connect to our intuition.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then I heard the number seven.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, is it seven hours?
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: Is it seven days?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, different versions of me would have gone other directions to try to answer this at varying times in my life.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: This was very much like, that's nice, universe.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: If you want me to ask, act on that, you need to send me more signs about what seven means, because I'm not gonna run off and create it until I know.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I think it's seven people.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I did go off into like spreadsheet land with like, you know, this person and that, and got very crunchy and in my head, and I put it away, and I was like, I got a strong hit on two people.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna have conversations with those two people and feel for the alignment.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: And in both cases, it was like, yes, fuck yes, let's go.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: And got a hit on another person from one of the conversations, and then a hit on another person.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: And at some point it was like, oh, I'm gonna reach out to Kelly because human design came up and Kelly and I are so aligned, and let's see if she feels like doing this.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: And lo and behold, there are seven of us doing this, it's absolutely perfect.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: So that was like the concrete hit on this untamed leader movement and the steps to get going on it.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: And and then I heard untamed leader collective in my head and was like, that sounds awesome, which is the response.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's the response I've gotten from people when I've shared it.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Even when I was like, what sounds awesome about it?
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: What are you expecting when you hear that?
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because I was like, I don't know what it is exactly, and it I've created version one or am created, it is created in response to the founders, the people going on the journey the very first time, which is probably how everything is going to be created for me from now on.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like I remembered being a teacher in community colleges, and you would have that thing on the syllabus that said, This is subject to change at the discretion of the instructor.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, it's like I just need that.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, here's here's my vision for the first three or four months of the year.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I took it up a notch and I said, This will change in response to you.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if I know anything about me, it will change.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: She's not a Manny Jenny, but she knows how to channel Manny Jenny energy back at us.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: And she was like, I refuse to lock myself into something now.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like she's giving me my words.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: I refuse to lock us into something right now that would water it down when allowing it to transform and change in response to all of you is gonna be far more powerful.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: And when she said that, I was like, I'm an actor.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: At first, I'm just gonna kind of write down the lines that you just said, and I've been I've been embodying them more and more.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: And they've gone from like that sounds cool over there when you say it.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: So that's my goal, to more like, I'm actually living in the value of like that's my unique medicine with signs from the universe, my magic, my medicine, like signs from the universe, like someone asking me, like, how do you do that?
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: How do you show up with what seems like very little of a plan?
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Or like a loop, like we can feel that you you know where we're headed, but it doesn't feel like a plan.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: But we feel like you know where we're headed, and then you just create from what's there.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna stop talking now.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: There's other stuff that led to that, but I'm gonna stop talking and see what you're curious about.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I'm I'm holding myself in my chair because if I jump, all you're gonna see is like my my waistline.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, I mean, I I think what is so exciting about all of that is is you you're speaking to that that intuitive hit and just being like, oh, well, let's just see what else you got for me.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like, how big could it get?
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_04: What could it look like?
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_04: What feels juicy and like hit exciting and fun?
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_04: And of course, I'm geeking out because you're literally speaking to your human design.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yes, you're you're a manifesting generator, but but that sense of being able to sort of take what's there in front of you and just shape it into something incredible.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_04: And and people feel that from you, that sense of she knows where she's going.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_04: She she can orient us and put us, you know, in the right direction.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_04: We're listening, we feel resonance, we feel connected.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_04: It feels feels like only possibility exists.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_04: There's there's zero limitation.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, how creative can you get?
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_04: So I think to me, like I geek out just hearing what you're talking about.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_04: And and also certainly like that piece, like where you don't want to be notched in and locked down into something that's not correct for you.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_04: It's experimental.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_04: It's let's I I was looking down.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_04: I have like a little sticker that a friend gave me and it's a pink couch, and above it it says pivot.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_04: And that's what I kept here.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_04: Like, you want permission to pivot.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_04: Can we can we try this?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_04: And what if I decide I want it to be juicier?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_04: Like, can I can I allow for that to happen?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_04: So I I think that to me is uh it's just super cool.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_04: And I'll just remind you, if you don't mind me like, you know, pulling out your incarnation cross.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_04: So you have the right angle cross of the Sphinx.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_04: And so if we look at the gene keys and the gifts, if we just look at that donate, we don't even need to know the gate numbers, but it's orientation, freshness, discernment, guidance.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_04: So obviously, part of that for you would be just that that sense people are gonna gravitate.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_04: You're magnetic naturally.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_04: It's like it's like the the magnetic pull.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_04: People come next to you and they're like, automatically, I know north and south.
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  SPEAKER_04: Like it feels I feel that.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_04: I feel that.
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  SPEAKER_04: And if I know north and south, then I can start to guide myself forward.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_04: How does that feel?
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that feels, you know, the thoughts in my mind are it's so true.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: And in the light of untaming, I'm flashing back on times when people first reflected that back to me.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like the very first time was at the Coactive Training Institute leadership program, and they do a thing where they type you, and they did it with paddles, like black if that's not the one for you, and white if it is, or something like that.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: And there were different types.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm an eccentric.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yay! Doesn't it doesn't always, I mean, it shows up in different ways, but it's like eccentric is like your leadership style, permission, wild, out there, non-traditional, everyone's unique.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: And it so did not make sense to my brain that I was like, they seem pretty even.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: And he's one of the leaders is laughing, and he goes, Okay, we're gonna do this again, and I want you to count how many of the paddles you're seeing for each type.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: And they do it again, and I'm counting, and he was like, No, I want you to count out loud because he could tell that it was like not landing.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: I was so like tamed, conditioned to be like the straight A student who did everything right and stayed within the rails and controlled things, and that I could not see what was real.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm counting out loud, and I'm like, okay, intelligence type, one, two, three, four, five, six, danger type, eccentric type.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: I stopped counting at 16.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, I get it.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, wow, that's weird.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, You are the most comfortable in chaos.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: You're talking about somebody else, you're not talking about me, and now that was 2011, so 15 years later, I have led from the front of the room, from within the room, side by side with other people, in and through chaos, like all of the big major learnings and accomplishments that I can flash on right now are like, no, Hugh, I am the most comfortable in chaos.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: I had that conditioned out of me.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: And yet it's sort of like once I accept that we're in chaos and like become present, which is different from being in resistance, like, no, I want the world to be different.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm accepting of what's here, and we're gonna take this and go somewhere else with it, go somewhere purposeful, go somewhere meaningful.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: But that's different than just being like, damn it, this isn't good enough.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, I feel where we are, and I feel that we do need to move towards something else.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, we're just kind of like beating our head against the wall, staying in the sameness.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it has, and I'm still in it.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like now I'm being an untamed entrepreneur and stepping into untamed leader and seeing like, yes, for whatever reason, that is my innate state.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: Those are my innate gifts.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: But for a long time I thought people were nuts when they would say that to me because I was like the little buttoned-up straight A student, and then I became a recovering straight A student.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and I think about how those of us who are really very empathic and sensitive could read the room, understand the expectation, and just slip into that conditioning and compliance so very easily.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_04: And now it's like, oh, well, I thought that was my personality.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_04: Now it's like, no, that was that was your malleability.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_04: And I was saying to you before we got to to actually record on the podcast, because I could talk to you for hours, Lori, but I feel very amiiba-like.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_04: Like there is there isn't a shape.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_04: Like we've spent this year shedding who we are, the year of the snake, right?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_04: And now it's like I am now like, well, if joy was my compass, what would I do?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_04: What would I choose?
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_04: How would I move forward in the world?
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_04: If if my values were not just aspirations, but things I believed could happen right now, how would I act?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_04: Who would I advocate for?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_04: So do you think that that is that what you mean by wild?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_04: Like, is that your vision of wild, or is there an even more exciting piece to that?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there is a feeling of possibility.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: Wild to me means intuition.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: It means the body, it means nature, organic.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: What it doesn't mean to me, and yet I still use the word because I believe we need to heal this or move through it or get over it, is like sometimes I say wild, and people start seeing images of like rabid dogs.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, no, that's like that's what we're afraid.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: It means either like, whoo, what's gonna happen to me if I completely untame myself?
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: Am I gonna become like a rabid dog?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Or the people who have the power who are doing the taming are afraid that if they let the intuitives, the empaths, the wild-hearted ones have a voice, have a we kind of feeling, they're afraid that we're gonna be like a wild rabid dog that's gonna take their head off.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't mean that.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's like wild, natural, organic, intuitive, rhythmic rather than controlled.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I also feel like there's room for wild to mean to each of us what it means.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's our innate gifts, our own one in eight billion magic that we came here with.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel a lot in the body, as you know from my human design.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: And there may be people where like wild for them is like they're just connected to the cosmos, and it's very like and it's presenting differently, and it still has this free feeling.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: So when you were saying amoeba, free all possibilities, and that is around in the space, you know.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: When I was like, I described it to you, like it was all this peaceful, one step at a time.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: There were a few times when I was like, What am I doing?
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm starting to want to know what the next steps are, and I chose patience, and I chose to go do yoga to get myself in my body.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: And there are some people now, and this is the like, hey, that intuition that I had about an untamed leader retreat where you sort of feel like an amoeba with no guardrails.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: And who am I now?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: What am I now?
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, where am I going?
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's that happens in winter if we let it.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: There's like a mystery and a new possibility, and our Western world has turned that into set the resolutions, get your goals clear.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know, some people are very uncomfortable with it in my world, where they're going through the like, I just want to know.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, and I want to know.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: And some others are in love with this feeling of mystery.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: And this is the last thing I'll say on this.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: I remember having.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: A moment.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: My favorite day of the year for a long time has been Christmas Eve because we celebrated Christmas.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: And the like mystery of I don't know what the presents are going to be.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: And like I like it better than the day where you actually open them.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: There's just this magical twinkly lights in the darkness.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what's going to be here, expectation and possibility.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: And in the middle of going through my own, like, I just want to know.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Give me a spreadsheet.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, but what if all of winter?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: And what if every time, even in the middle of summer, when I'm feeling something, but I don't have the shape of it figured out yet?
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: What if I just reframed that to be like, I can have Christmas Eve anytime I don't know something?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Whoa, does that help a like recovering teacher's pet let go of needing to know every answer on the test and be like, but this is far more fun to be the amoeba of possibility?
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_04: I love that.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_04: I love that so much.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_04: And I think what I was thinking, wild in terms of like that sense of freedom, that was a word that came to mind for me.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_04: And wild, like an animal that's captured from its natural habitat and kept in captivity, and then it's set free in back into its natural habitat.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_04: And the way that it joyfully moves through that space, just feeling like everything is open to them and not feeling trapped.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_04: I think that to me resonates as what it feels like to be wild.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_04: It's not, it's not a go crazy, lose your mind.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_04: It's a very, like you said, you were let me do some yoga, let me ground and and be embodied.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's being very centered and grounded and from that place, allowing the idea of anything is possible, get amplified.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_04: Like, not just anything is possible, like the things that I've experienced before, but anything is possible, like maybe even something I didn't even think of.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_04: Like I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about, like you said about Christmas Eve, and and I'm thinking about my son who's 11, and he was, you know, he had a bunch of stuff on his list, and he had some like big crazy things that there was just no, no chance he was gonna get that.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: And what he didn't know is my husband and I had already planned to give him a phone, but that wasn't even on his list.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_04: He wasn't even thinking that was a possibility.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_04: So when he opened it up, he looked at us baffled, like, wait, you got me a phone?
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_04: Like, he didn't even know that was a possibility.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_04: So that's the kind of energy like it was probably like that would be nice, that'd be cool.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_04: But he wasn't even thinking that was that was something that could show up under the Christmas tree.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_04: So I love that.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_04: I love that idea of getting into the energy that we feel, that anticipation, that what could be what could be coming.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_04: I don't even know.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that excitement.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_04: And the idea that we could tap into at any time.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: And they're, you know, like the animal being released into the wild, some animals just fly and run free the minute they're set loose.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: And others, depending on what the taming, what the captivity included and how long it's been, are a little bit more like I'm gonna start out slow and kind of look back, slow and look back, and then break and start running free.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like that may be part of the process for people is the like, oh wait, when I let go of the rules, I have to sort of walk slowly at first, like like Bambi learning to walk.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then very quickly I remember because I was born this way.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: It is like like if I'm there's a bird outside, if I'm born to fly instead of swim, at first it might feel weird, but then all of a sudden I figure out that this is what my wings were designed for.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: And some people are just so ready to break free.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: They break and animals do that too.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_04: I love that.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_04: You get to have your wild, untamed journey at your level of comfort, it doesn't have to take you out of that comfort level, and I think that to me is where we can really sink into January, to wintering.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_04: If you follow the the non-gregorian calendars, right, really the new year shifts in February.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_04: So, to me, that idea of we can feel the closing of last year in terms of the holidays and all the things that we're accustomed to, but the real new year isn't really happening until February.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_04: Suddenly you have this period of a few weeks where I always felt like I wanted to hibernate.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_04: And now I understand why, because it's just so inherent.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_04: I don't, I don't feel like getting out there.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_04: And I used to just like put on the sneakers and the sweatsuit and be like, yeah, let's January energy.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_04: Let's go.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_04: But it was not from like an authentic place.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_04: It was from like, this is what I'm supposed to do.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm good at doing what I'm supposed to do, right?
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_04: Rule follower and all that.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_04: But last year, I know I felt very much like, nah, that's not for me.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I'm just gonna take my time.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_04: This year feels even more like I'm just gonna completely stop.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_04: Like come to a complete standstill.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_04: No plans, like no, like, all right, let's rev up for this or that.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm I'm a good planner.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_04: I do love a calendar, I do love laying everything out.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_04: But I don't see things that way for this year.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like it's doesn't need to be specified yet.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_04: Or or at all.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_04: Or maybe I'm just gonna keep pivoting.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's different to plan out every every single step of something than it is to have like I'm pointing in that direction and I can see the next step.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: And that feels really important and more in line with the like wild untamed leader.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: How many of us are meant to move through the world and to create in the world?
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: And for the untamed leader retreat, as I met with all of you that were gonna be co-leading it, people would ask, Well, where are they gonna be at the end?
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, they're gonna know where to point and maybe their first step, but also like if it's not time for them to know their first step, we're gonna err on the side of that because we're doing the unnew year, new you thing.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that's weird and it's controversial, and it felt like the best way of conveying like this is not a strategy thing, this is not a plan your year.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: This is feel your direction, be clear on your direction.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it's late January, so there may be for some people a first breadcrumb, just like when I was like, oh, I got a hit on those two people.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: So my first action is to set a time to talk to that person, and then there was another step and I took them one at a time.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it just came to me.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_04: It's also that you're it's not a start from scratch.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's not a start from scratch.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_04: Everything we've been through the the healing, the heartache, the experiences, the missteps, all of it is is in the trunk, right?
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_04: On the journey.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_04: And so if we're sticking with new year, new you, to me, it's like my commute to work every day.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_04: It's always the same.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_04: There's definitely gonna be some traffic, but like point A, point B, I get there.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_04: But this is more like let's just sit for a minute.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what do we really want to pack for this trip?
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_04: What do we got?
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_04: What are our resources?
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_04: That's the word that's coming up for me.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_04: Resources.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_04: Who, who's your dream team?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_04: Like, who are the people in your corner?
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what do you have in your bag of tricks?
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_04: What that you can bring along with you?
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, it's it's setting out on a road trip, but you haven't actually planned where you're gonna sleep tonight.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe you're gonna camp on the side of the road, or maybe you're gonna find a five-star hotel.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_04: Anything can happen.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_04: So, what do you pack?
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_04: You know, what do you bring with you?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_04: What do you, what, what sense of adventure do you have?
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_04: And when you're doing that, you're really present in each moment of the journey.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_04: Are we turning left or right?
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_04: Are we gonna continue straight?
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_04: Is it time to stop and have a snack?
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_04: So you're really thinking through each moment, you're really present moment focused.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_04: I want to go on a on a an adventure road trip versus hit the highway for my daily commute.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_04: So that that to me is like my interest in the adventure.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and being able to hit the road for a commute to someone else's life, to someone else's day job.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Because they told you those were the steps that you needed to take and where you needed to go is different than I'm gonna go on an adventure road trip.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: One that's I'm designing just for me.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I'm having way more fun.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know about you, but I imagine you're probably having a really good time over there.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_04: All these people, these people.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's that's the thing.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_04: That's the and I've heard people say that before.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_04: Like the more authentic you become, the more you speak your truth, the more you're like willing to be brave and put yourself out there, the more people gravitate towards you and and really seem to you you become magnetic for the people that you want to have magnetized to you, versus like when you're regurgitating what other people have told you you should do, then you're getting the wrong people.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_04: And then they actually meet you and they're like, I'm not sure you're my person.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_04: And I did, I did a long time with that.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm just noticing the people who are seeking me out, the people who are like, hey, I want to, I'm we haven't met, let's have a conversation.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_04: I'm getting on conversations with people.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, I think we just became best friends.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_04: I think I need to talk to you all the time because we have so much in common.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_04: And very often it's, you know, women who chose a service profession because they felt like that was what they were supposed to do, and they find themselves lacking a little bit of joy in what they're doing, and they have a calling that they're on the threshold of like accepting, but it feels so far in.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's not even, it's not even that it's scary.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_04: It just doesn't even like make sense from where they've been.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_04: And so this is where it gets so exciting because we're all like, it's like we all showed up for summer camp and like everybody has the same interests as you, and they also want to know all about the other interests that you have, and like you start just geeking out on each other.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_04: That's that's the energy that I'm finding.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_04: What about what about you?
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: The more I follow my intuition when I meet with people, it's another place where like when you meet people, if you're doing the thing called networking, you're supposed to go meet with people who could be air quotes power partners or referral partners.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: And there are a lot of people in the world who do that model extremely well.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: They've got like databases and automated things that are introducing me and someone else that they've met.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that just feels so draining.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: I cannot keep all of the people straight.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: And now it's more like I go into a quote unquote networking situation, or somebody tells me, hey, I think you and Kelly should know each other.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: I follow those a lot more often.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: And when I go to networking events, I just kind of relax and have a little bit more of a soft focus.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I follow the energy.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: And there are times where I met someone and I was following the energy, and I didn't get a no, I didn't get a yes to them four months ago.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: Then I meet them a second time, and on the second time, it's like, whoa, now it's time for us to meet and have a coffee.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: And following that, it's like, you know, if you have ever heard of, I'm sure you have, but like people listening, soul contracts, where it's like we made an agreement to come meet and do something for some period of time in this lifetime where you can feel it's like I've just met you and like I've known you forever.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's how I felt when I first met you.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was Camille Miller who connected us.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: And that it's like that gives that summer camp feeling where it's like, I've just met you and it's like I've known you forever, which is also how I described my husband when I first met him.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, we have that Twitter pated new feeling, and this like, and yet I feel like I know your face, I know your eyes, I know your energy, like this isn't our first lifetime, or we made a soul contract to come in here and like do life together.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh, I totally relate to that.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_04: That that could be like a crazy, like, how did you meet your husband story?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I'm not gonna go there.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_04: I will tell you if you ask me later, Lori, but we uh but yes.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_04: We'll stay on tamed leader.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_04: Untamed leader.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_04: I wanted to shift into how you see the qualities of an untamed leader.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_04: What are their attributes?
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_04: What are the things that they absolutely must have to be true to that term, successful, effective, whatever, whatever term you want to put on it?
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: To really be a leader, especially an untamed leader, I feel like we need to have a vision for a better world, for something in our world or the world to be better in some way, more right, more aligned.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then we need to be able to move creatively from the present moment, that deep presence, like you were talking about, toward that vision.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: And that's not the same thing as this sucks, this isn't good enough.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's resistance.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually not being present, it's really being present and accepting where things are right now while moving forward to create change.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a feeling to that, even as I'm describing it to you right now, it's like there is a creative friction of this deep presence and acceptance while also moving toward the vision.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it's unit can be uncomfortable for people.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: And if you learn to enjoy it, respect it, you can also feel the immense power that's in it when we navigate in that creative tension.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm this is what's here.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: I feel that that's the right direction.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: What's the next step?
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: And that's how we move one step at a time toward bringing that change.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: So a vision, creating in the moment, and then being able to speak that vision in a way that inspires other people to join us on the journey.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I love all three.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: When I first started my business, the speaking it in a way that inspires others was like the one that nobody was doing, quote unquote, right.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: It was the place I was called, and I still love it.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I had this conversation with two people yesterday where it was like they kept seeing the image of me as like a circus.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm like, you know, I'm all the things are happening.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: And there, it's like a three-ring circus.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: And they didn't even know those three things when they were saying, I'm seeing a three-ring circus.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I went, and the the speaking voice piece for me, it's still the big top.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the biggest ring to me.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: And if you don't have the vision, how are you gonna embody it when you're sharing it?
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to have every single detail of the vision, but a felt sense of something that you're then sharing.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like they all work together.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: And if I look at myself over the course of 18 years being in business, there are things that I can say in five words now that I could have talked for an hour and a half and not conveyed it clearly in the beginning.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: And it's because I was put here on this earth to create it.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like living out my purpose rather than figuring it out and then trying to convey it.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I got clearer and clearer and clearer.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: And voice is really important to me.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's part of what I'm here to do.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: Sound is incredibly powerful and transformative.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I believe that we are discovering and expressing our life purpose every time we open our mouth, every time we make a sound, every time we say a word, every time we choose silence because that's what's needed in a space that we're in.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: The vibration that comes from the voice is part of our soul's journey on this planet.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I had swung all the way into the speaking, like I wasn't doing the three-ring circus, I was just living in the speaking tent.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I kept getting questions and signs from the universe that it was time to like own the whole three-ring circus.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: And be like, I may spend a lot of time in the big top.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: And all three of these circus tents are actually intersecting.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: And we can move from one to the other, and each one makes the others stronger.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so you're the ringleader.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_04: I love this.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_04: I see you with your top hat and your whip.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_04: Let's let's take this chaos and get it in order.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, that's really powerful.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel like it it really does resonate with me, too.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_04: Those those three pieces.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_04: And I love that you've brought it to three, because three I feel like is a very magical number for so many different reasons.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_04: You're talking about being untamed, you're talking about being wild, radiant.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that all feels like you can say three ring circus, and people are like, okay, here we are, let's do it.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_04: So we have this retreat happening tomorrow and the next day.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_04: What are you hoping is up for you for let's say February 17th, 2026?
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what is Lori doing?
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_04: Where is she going?
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: I am, I believe, because we're all in and out, like all of the guides are participating in the retreat, that I'm gonna come out with another level of clarity and pointing my direction, and that I have the right people, the soulmate clients, and participants are even more magnetized toward me and toward the untamed leader collective, and I'm meeting with them and having that like soul-knowing feeling, and the oh, this is aligned and this is exactly the right time.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: And there might even be some people who are like, this is a yes, and not quite yet that I'm having a lot of those conversations and we're choosing right for ourselves and for each other, and I'm getting to work with a bunch of them.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think even more wildest dreams, the ones where like we're not meant to work in that intimate way yet.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: So the logo, my logo, the name of my company is Voice Matters on the eye.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_00: There's a ring with a bunch of dots around it above the dot on the eye.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's like a leader having an impact in the world, touching other people's lives, and all those other people are touching other people's lives, and like consciousness is raising from that.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't have been able to describe it to you that way back in 2015 when I picked it.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: And the feeling of the possibility of living untamed and leading untamed.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: I would love for my podcast to start to become like, whoa, people are finding it and listening to it and stepping into possibility.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe the podcast is at the place where they're like, Oh, you're telling me I can be free.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna take a couple steps out into nature and like listen to your podcast to stay connected to the feeling of possibility as I do it.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it just keeps for me, it just keeps coming back to that orientation, guidance, freshness, right?
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_04: That you're you're bringing all of that.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_04: It feels like that breath of fresh air.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I love that.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_04: I I hope so much that that comes to fruition and then some.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_04: I I think this group of people that you've gathered are so dynamic and so special.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_04: I'm geeking out just at like I I was literally thinking to myself, I think I need to go get a new notebook.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I think I need the whole vibe of like this is the start of something significant.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_04: Um I'm open to the possibility that even if this this is these two days are just all it ever is for me, that there is going to be so much in there for me to take and run with.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_04: And that is so exciting to me.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm I'm so grateful to you.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_04: And I have to invite you to come back because I really think it would be helpful for all of us to have like this moment in time prior to that happening.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_04: So we literally have the Christmas Eve right now for you and I.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_04: Because tomorrow is when it starts.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_04: Tomorrow is where all the possibility exists for us, and we can let a little bit of that magic seep into us and feel into that excitement.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_04: Will we be able to sleep tonight?
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_04: Will it be?
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_04: What is showing up for me, you know, in this in this experience?
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_04: But I think every time someone like you is brave and bold enough to be who they are, to invite others to embrace that, to help people express themselves.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_04: We're adding more voices into the world who have been quiet.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_04: And I I think I I sent this to you in a text.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, I just have this vision of we're giving so many people permission to use their voice, to share their vision, to express themselves in ways that they didn't either feel like they were allowed to, or nobody would want to hear them.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_04: Or at some point in time, there was someone who convinced them intentionally or not to be quiet.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_04: And their voices are missing.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_04: It's why anytime somebody tells me they want to do a podcast, I say do it.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_04: Because there is something really important about people's voices being in the airwaves, being out there.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_04: That energy is really meaningful.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't care how many people listen to my podcast.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_04: I care that the people that listen are inspired to do something, whether it's use their voice, listen to somebody else's voice, whatever it is, that it it creates a ripple effect.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_04: And even if all I am is chucking that one stone into the water, the ripples matter, right?
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_04: So I think to me, that I see you as such like a sole partner in that way, because I know you too are like like trying to free all the locked voices.
• 53:37
  unknown: Yeah.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: And free them to really because some locked voices don't speak, and some locked voices say what they think to they have to say in order to remain safe.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, true.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: And some of us spent some time like half in.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: What I want them to know right now is I remember my acting instructor, the favorite one, saying this like two decades ago or more.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: You think that if you're really you, people will move away from you.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: When in reality the opposite is true, when you're really you, the right people will move toward you.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_00: They will be drawn in.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: And if nothing else, and I I'm like, it's more, and if nothing else, the like look at how that happened from the moment I heard Untamed Leader, Untamed Leader retreat, to the seven of us that are doing it was that I showed up as me and seven amazing people.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna have this experience together, and we're gonna provide value and support and magic to the other people that are coming and for each other.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_04: I would love for you.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_04: You've dropped so many wisdom gems along the way.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_04: What is one piece of advice you would give the listener?
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_04: Whether it be about being an untamed leader, releasing their voice, what is it that you think they would benefit from hearing from you today?
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's so hard to pick one.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_04: You get three.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_04: You get three, Lori.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_04: I get three.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_04: I can make my own rules.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_04: You can make your own rules.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'll say notice the taming.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_00: Choose something else, and eventually follow your intuition.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_00: One of the co-leaders reminded me, you gotta name the taming.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: So you notice it, and you may immediately be like, I'm choosing my intuition instead, I know what it is.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_00: And for some people, we might need all three steps of like, I see the taming, I'm gonna choose the opposite of that, I'm gonna un.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then it might be like, oh, door number three is actually my intuition door.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a feeling of play in all of that.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: Play with notice the taming, name the taming, choose the untaming, and then choose your real intuitive guidance.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_04: I love that.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_04: I think when we spoke last week, what came to me is untie the knots.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_04: But I thought of it instead of untie the K N O T S, untie the N O T S, the knots, the things that are not you.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_04: Like notice it and be like, that's not me.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: And it can be both.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how often have we been like tied up in K N O T knots in our bodies because we're trying to, we've spent decades being something that we're not.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_04: I'm going to take a deep breath and set you free, although I could launch into a litany of more questions, but I think this feels complete at this moment.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_04: Chapter four, we'll say.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_04: Chapter four of Conversations with Kelly and Lori.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_04: I do feel that when I'm with you, I have the giddiness of a 10-year-old girl.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_04: And I love that in the most positive possible way.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_04: And I thank you for the opportunities to continue to engage with you because this is going to be really impactful and meaningful.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_04: And to the listener, I thank you for listening.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_04: If you have felt magnetized to the topics we discussed and to the possibilities for yourself for the future, I encourage you to go check out Lori's podcast.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_04: Go check her out.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_04: Follow her on all the social media platforms.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_04: We'll include all the ways to connect with her in the show notes.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_04: And if you have that extra little spark and inspiration, leave a comment on this episode and let us know what really struck you.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_04: I read those comments, I look for those five-star reviews, and they really do make a difference.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_04: And if you really want to be a rebel and you want to get this crazy, wild, untamed leadership rolling, share this podcast with other people.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_04: Because the more we get people galloping with us as we go into the year of the horse in the same direction, all about the values that raise humanity.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_04: You don't want to miss out on this wild, untamed leadership ride.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_04: You want to be in the pack.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_04: We're either horses or wolves.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_04: We'll let you know later.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_04: We haven't decided yet.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_04: But I really thank you for being here.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you, listener, for for listening, for supporting the podcast.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_04: And who knows where we'll be next time we talk.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, you know, like I said, trying not to jump out of my chair because we can't really podcast well that way.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe next time it's on a yoga mat.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_04: We'll see how we'll see how things evolve.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_04: But thank you again.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_04: And to all possibilities.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_04: Cheers, everyone, and make it a good one.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_04: Bye for now.