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Delphi murders suspect confessed to killing 2 girls on hiking trail · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: All right, so we're diving deep into a case that
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  I know a lot of you been following closely for
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  years now, the Delphi murders. Yeah. Back in twenty seventeen,
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  you know, two young girls, Liberty German and Abigail Williams,
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  were tragically murdered. And for the longest time, it really
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  did feel like this case was going to go unsolved.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one of those mysteries that you know,
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  just shook everybody, Like all the details, you know, the
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  image of the suspect from Liby's video, it all just
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  kind of stuck with you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: It was really eerie.
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  Speaker 1: And then, in a completely shocking turn of events, you know,
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  Richard Allen, a seemingly normal guy from the area, is
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  arrested in twenty twenty two, right, and now his trial
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  is underway, and the testimony we've been hearing so far
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  as well, it's absolutely chilling.
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  Speaker 2: It is, And I think you know what's really captured
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  everyone's attention is the testimony from doctor Monica Walla, the
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  prison psychologist, right. You know, she was the one interacting
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  with Alan while he was in prison, right, and she
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  had some pretty shocking things to say about but he
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  allegedly confessed to her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for our listeners who might need a quick refresher,
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  can you remind us, you know, why was doctor Waller
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  even brought in to evaluate Alan in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, so she was brought in to assess his mental
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  state while he was in prison, Okay, And during those evaluations,
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  she says that Alan told her, point blank, I killed
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  Abby and Libby. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Just hearing those words in court, you can imagine, must
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  have been incredibly impactful.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely haunting even.
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  Speaker 2: I bet, yeah, very much, sir.
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  Speaker 1: But it seems like what makes those alleged confessions even
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  more powerful are the specific details that he actually shared
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  with doctor wall for sure. You know, like reportedly he
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  talked about things that seemingly only the killer would know exactly.
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  For example, he allegedly used the phrase down the hill
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  right now. As you might recall, that was a key
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  detail from the video that Libby's so bravely recorded on
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  her phone. It's like he's almost inadvertently confirming he was
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  the one in that video, right, It.
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  Speaker 2: Really seemed that way. Yeah, those little details, you know,
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  they become so significant because they can directly connect those
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  alleged confessions to the actual evidence that was found at
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  the crime scene, right, the location of where the girl's
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  bodies were found, the methods that were used, the attempts
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  to cover up the crime. It all just lines up. Wow,
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  with what Alan reportedly told doctor Walla.
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  Speaker 1: It's like he's almost unintentionally like laying out the prosecution's
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  case for them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then there's the whole emotional breakdown that he
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  reportedly had in prison too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you know, allegedly he consumed his own feces, had
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  a phone call with his wife where he seemed to
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  partially admit guilt, right, and he even expressed suicidal thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, his behavior in prison definitely raised a lot of
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  questions about his mental state, both you know, at the
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  time of the crime, but also you know, during his incarceration.
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  For sure, doctor Walla testified about these alleged fatalistic delusions,
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  that he had, these reported feelings of hopelessness and you know,
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  suicidal thoughts. It just it really adds another layer of complexity,
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  I think, to this whole case.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, so, we have these incredibly powerful reported confessions.
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  But here's where it gets really interesting. Okay, there's other
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  evidence that seems to place Allan at the scene, you know,
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  totally separate from anything he might have said to doctor Walla.
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  Oh wow, okay, like there are multiple other pieces to
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  this puzzle, like what, well, for one, we have several
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  eyewitness accounts, okay, that seemed to match Allan's description.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 1: You know remember that image of bridge guy from Libby's video,
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  right right, Several witnesses have come forward and reported seeing
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  someone matching that description near the trails around the time
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  that the girls disappeared.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's more too.
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  Speaker 2: Oh there is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wasn't there something about surveillance footage?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, that's right, Yeah, there is surveillance footage showing
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  a car similar to Alan's near the trails again at
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  the time of the murders. Wow. And you know, on
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  top of all that, Alan himself admitted to belief that
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  he was at the trails around the time that the
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  girls vanished.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So things are starting to feel a little bit
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  like a net closing in here, right right, It's getting
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  hard to ignore all these coincidences.
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  Speaker 2: Piling up, and it gets even tighter. You're not gonna
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  believe this. So remember how we talked about Alan being
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  you know, somewhat of a hoarder. Yeah, investigators actually found
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  over twenty old cell phones in his house. Oh wow,
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  but guess what's missing?
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, don't tell me. His cell phone from twenty seventeen, exactly,
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  the one he would have been using at the time, the.
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  Speaker 2: One he supposedly used at the time of the murders. Gone,
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  it's gone vanished, which, let's be honest, is pretty suspicious,
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  very suspicious, especially considering all those other old phones that
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  he kept.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely raises some eyebrows for sure. Makes you
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  wonder what might have been on that phone?
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  Speaker 2: Right, what was so important to get rid of?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and why is it suddenly nowhere to be found exactly?
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  Speaker 2: And then to add yet another layer, the forensic pathologist
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  who performed the autopsies on the girls actually testified that,
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  get this, a box cutter could have been used to
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  inflict some of the wounds.
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  Speaker 1: What a box cutter?
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  Speaker 2: A box cutter?
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, that detail, coupled with the missing phone, I know,
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  it really does add fuel to the fire.
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  Speaker 2: It really does.
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  Speaker 1: So to recap we've got these chilling confessions, the eyewitness
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  accounts putting him at the scene, the surveillance footage, the
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  missing cell phone, and now a possible murder weapon.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like the prosecution is building a very strong
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  case here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are. But you know, it's important to remember
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  that this is a trial and there are always two
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  sides to every story.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: Right. We've been kind of focusing on the prosecution side
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  of things, and you know it's important to remember the
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  defense is going to have their chance to present their
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  arguments and you know, try to poke some holes in
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  everything the prosecution's been laying out. They'll probably bring in
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  their own experts and try to you know, cast doubt
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  on all this evidence we've been talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. We can't forget that everyone is innocent
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  until proven guilty, right Exactly. It's up to the prosecution
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  to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt, and the
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  defense will be doing everything they can to challenge that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a high stakes chess match, each side
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  trying to outmaneuver or the other.
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  Speaker 1: And speaking of different perspectives, Kay, we can't overlook the
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  insights from people who've been following this case really closely
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  since the beginning, Like iin Kin she's a journalist and
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  co host of the true crime podcast The Murder Sheet,
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  and she's made some really interesting observations about this whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Iin Kin has been all over this case from
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  day one totally. And you know, one thing she's pointed
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  out that I think is really interesting is that Richard
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  Allen has in some ways become the prosecution's star witness.
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  WHOA explain that, Well, think about it. It's his alleged
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  words and actions, right that are really driving the prosecution's case.
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  It's true, you know, his statements to doctor Walla, the
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  evidence that seems to connect him to the scene. It's
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  almost like he's inadvertently incriminating himself, you know, it's almost.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's unintentionally building the case against him at the
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  same time that his defense team is trying to, you know,
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  tear it down.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fascinating dynamic, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it really speaks to the power of how,
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  you know, seemingly small details can become crucial pieces of
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  evidence when you put them all together. Absolutely, like the car,
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  the timeframe, the missing phone. Those things on their own,
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  you know, they might seem insignificant, but in the context
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  of this case, they suddenly become incredibly powerful.
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  Speaker 2: The context is key, it really is. And in this case,
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  we have so many layers to consider. Oh yeah, we've
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  got the reported confessions, the physical evidence, the stuff we're
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  learning about Allan's psychological profile, and you know, the expert
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  analysis from folks like ian Kin who've been picking apart
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  every little detail of this case.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot. And when we talk about those alleged confessions, yeah,
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  rucial for us to remember that, you know, confessions alone
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  aren't usually enough to secure a conviction.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: The prosecution really needs to present a solid case that
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  connects different pieces of evidence together to create this really
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  convincing narrative.
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  Speaker 2: The story that the jury can believe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right, So let's break down the evidence we have
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  so far, apart from what doctor Wallat testified about. Okay, okay,
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  So we've got the eyewitness accounts putting someone matching Allen's
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  description near the trails. We have that surveillance footage of
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  a car like his in the area, and his own
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  admission to being at the trails that around the same
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  time as the girl.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and don't forget that missing cell phone from twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: Oh right, that.
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  Speaker 2: It just adds another layer of enturgue to this whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: It really does.
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  Speaker 2: And then we have the forensic pathologist's testimony about the
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  potential use of a box cutter.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Yes, that brings a whole other dimension.
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  It sounds like the prosecution is really trying to build
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  this strong case based on all these different things, not
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  just relying on the confessions.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, But again it's important to remember that the
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  defense will have the opportunity to challenge all this, of course,
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  and present, you know, their own counter narrative. It's a
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  legal battle, you know. Yeah, both sides are going to
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  be fighting hard for their respective positions.
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  Speaker 1: It's a battle for the truth, absolutely, and in a
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  case like this, with so much at stake, with so
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  many emotions involved, finding that truth is more important than ever.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And you know, as we've been diving deep into
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  this case, I keep coming back to this question of
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  you know, what could possibly drive someone to commit such
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  a horrific act.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's the question that haunts everyone, right, Yeah,
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  we want to understand why, to make sense of something
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  that feels so senseless.
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  Speaker 2: We're always searching for that explanation exactly, And you know,
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  doctor Walla's testimony about Allen's mental state, it offers us
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  some potential insights there, you know, what she said about
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  his alleged fatalistic delusions, his hopelessness, his suicidal thoughts. It
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  paints a picture of a very troubled mind. But the
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  big question is whether those mental health struggles, you know,
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  whether they played any role in the crime itself.
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  Speaker 1: That's something the jury is going to have to really
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  grapple with, right right as they're weighing all this evidence
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  and testimony. Exactly, it's a complex issue with no easy answers.
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  Speaker 2: What makes this case so fascinating is just how complex
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  it all is. Yeah, all these different layers, the conflicting narratives,
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  this constant search for the truth in the middle of
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  this awful tragedy.
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  Speaker 1: It reminds us that real life is rarely black and white. No,
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  it's full of nuance, it's full of gray areas.
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  Speaker 2: So true. Okay, so we've covered a lot of ground here.
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  We have. We've gone deep into the alleged confessions. We
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  examine the physical evidence, we explored the psychological aspects. We
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  even considered the expert analysis from those who've been you know,
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  really closely following this case for years now. It's been
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  a thorough dive, wouldn't you say?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely? But honestly, I feel like we've only just scratched this.
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  I agree, there's so much more to uncover as this
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  trial continues. I'm already like on the edge of my
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  seat waiting to see what happens next.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the nature of a complex case like this.
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  It's a journey. You know, there are twists and turns
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  at every stage. Totally who knows what the defense is
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  going to bring to the table next.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I can't wait to find out.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a wild ride, I think.
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  Speaker 1: So what can our listeners expect as this trial continues?
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  Where do we go from here?
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  Speaker 2: Well, next, we're going to hear from the defense. You know,
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  they'll be presenting their case soon, and I'm sure they'll
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  be bringing new perspectives, yeah, and really try to challenge
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  the narrative that the prosecution's laid out.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see what their strategy is. Will
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  they call their own expert witnesses to try and contradict
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  what doctor Walla had to say right.
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  Speaker 2: Or will they bring in any new evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Or will they try to paint like a completely different
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  picture of Richard Allen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, will they address the missing cell phone? Oh, could
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  it reappear and suddenly become this key piece of evidence?
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  Speaker 1: And the big question, will Allen himself testify?
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  Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question, isn't it? It is Taking
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  the stand would be a huge gamble for him, Oh
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  for sure. If he testifies, he opens himself up to
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  cross examination by the prosecution, which could be very damaging
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  to his case. But you know, on the other hand,
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  it also gives him the opportunity to directly tell his
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  side of the story to the jury. It's true high risk,
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  high reward situation, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of high stakes. As we've been talking about all
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  of this, I keep thinking about the families of Liberty
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  Chairman and Abigail Williams. Of course, we've been through so much,
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  you know, so much pain, years of unimaginable pain, uncertainty,
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  you know, just waiting for answers, hoping for justice, absolutely,
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  and now with the trial underway, it's like they're being
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  forced to relive the trauma of that awful day all
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  over again. It's heartbreaking, it is, and I can't even
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  imagine what they're going through. All we can do is
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  hope that this trial brings them some sense of peace
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  and resolution.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, whatever the outcome may be exactly. You know,
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  justice can be a long and winding road, it really can.
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  And sometimes, like we said before, the truth is elusive.
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  Yeah that that doesn't mean we stop searching for it.
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  Speaker 1: Now. We owe it to the victims, to their families,
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  and to ourselves to keep looking for answers, to hold
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  those responsible accountable, yes, and to learn from these tragedies
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  so that hopefully maybe we can prevent them from happening again.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a long road to justice.
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  Speaker 2: A long and complicated one, it really is. And sometimes, well,
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  the truth is really hard to find.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, But like you said, that doesn't mean we should
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  stop looking for it.
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  Speaker 2: We can't. We owe it to the victims yea, to
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  their families, to ourselves to just keep asking those questions,
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  and keep searching for those answers, and.
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  Speaker 1: Hold those responsible accountable.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and learn from these awful tragedies so that maybe,
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  just maybe we can stop them from happening again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, so as we kind of wrap up this
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  deep dive, you know, I want to leave our listeners
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  with something to think about. You know, if you were
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  on the jury in this case, what would stand out
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  to you the most, Like how much weight would you
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  give to those alleged confessions, yeah, compared to you know,
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  all the other evidence that was presented.
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  Speaker 2: That's the question that each juror is going to have
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  to answer for themselves, right, Yeah, and their individual interpretations
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  of all the evidence. Well, that's what's going to determine
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  the outcome of this trial.
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  Speaker 1: It's a really powerful reminder that our justice system relies
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  on everyday people, yeah, who are given this immense responsibility
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  to make incredibly difficult decision.
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  Speaker 2: It's a huge responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: It is, so as we continue to follow this case,
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  let's all try to engage with it, you know, thoughtfully,
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  with open minds and with empathy for everyone involved.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thanks for joining us on this deep dive into
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  the Delphi murders case. It's a case that I think
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  will stay with us all for a very long time
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  until next time, Stay curious and keep exploring the world
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  with us.