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10-07-26 Hour 1 - Nuggets preseason positivity!/Bo isn't taking open shots/Calling someone else's offense · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher Lombardi and Kane On Demand. Listen live
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  Speaker 1: every weekday morning from 7 to 10 on Altitude Sports
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  Speaker 2: Jared Bednar joins us in an hour. Ian Eagle will
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  Speaker 2: be on the call for the Broncos game this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: He'll join us at 9 o'clock this morning. I do
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  Speaker 2: want to find something interesting. Been taking suggestions to infiltrate
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  Speaker 2: the announcer's booth for Ian Eagle again, see if we
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  Speaker 2: can get something to say on the air. Had a
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  Speaker 2: good suggestion so far. This is my leader in the clubhouse.
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  Speaker 2: We ask Ian Eagle to call somebody a good kid.
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  Speaker 3: How about that?
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  Speaker 4: But he's got to do it. We have to give
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  Speaker 4: him the exact way he's doing it. He can't just
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  Speaker 4: say good kid because everybody's a good kid out there.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll do that at 9 o'clock. I think that's
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  Speaker 3: a good one, though.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, that's a great one.
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  Speaker 4: That's a great one. Bo Nix scores his first rushing
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  Speaker 4: touchdown of the season.
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  Speaker 3: He's a good kid.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Mosher is in Winnipeg as the Avs take on the
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  Speaker 2: Jets tonight. You can hear that right here on 92.5
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  Speaker 2: starting at 530. But before we get there, can I
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  Speaker 2: say something real quick? And I'm just being honest with you.
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  Speaker 2: I have been, I would say, over the last 10
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  Speaker 2: months going back to January.
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  Speaker 5: You've been a lot of things over the last 10 months.
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  Speaker 5: Be careful.
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  Speaker 3: It's certainly been mouthy.
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  Speaker 5: Friggin' mouthy.
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  Speaker 2: Even in January, the Denver Nuggets were a mash unit.
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  Speaker 2: They were playing all backups. They were just trying to
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  Speaker 2: keep their head above water with all these backups in
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  Speaker 2: the lineup.
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  Speaker 3: And they did.
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  Speaker 2: And then it got towards the end of that run,
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  Speaker 2: and I think we all had the same sort of thought,
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  Speaker 2: which was, all right, that's enough. This has been a
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  Speaker 2: fun little two, three weeks of backups playing and winning
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  Speaker 2: some games.
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  Speaker 6: Enough.
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  Speaker 3: Where's my team?
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  Speaker 2: And then you headed into the postseason. Maybe some perceptions
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  Speaker 2: got skewed. You won 12 games to end the regular season,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe that gave you a boost to confidence.
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  Speaker 3: But here's kind of where I'm at.
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  Speaker 2: You get bounced in the first round in a pretty
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  Speaker 2: awful way, which was you look like your team didn't
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  Speaker 2: have much fight to it, and that never feels good.
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  Speaker 2: You enter the offseason with no money to spend. You
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  Speaker 2: lose a guy who was second all-time in franchise history
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  Speaker 2: in three-pointers made in a season, Tim Hardaway Jr. You
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  Speaker 2: lose your really only young, talented player with some upside
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  Speaker 2: in Peyton Watson. And you're signing a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 2: guys off the bargain bin. And I'm just being honest
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  Speaker 2: with you. It's probably the worst I've felt about the
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  Speaker 2: Nuggets in a long time.
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  Speaker 5: It is.
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  Speaker 2: It's the first time that I think going into a
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  Speaker 2: season where I was like, I just don't think they
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  Speaker 2: have a real championship shot.
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  Speaker 3: But I will say this. Watch two games of the preseason.
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  Speaker 3: And all these thoughts I had.
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  Speaker 2: About, Oh, is Alpha Diallo, a guy who's never played
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  Speaker 2: a single game in the NBA, really going to make
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  Speaker 2: a difference?
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  Speaker 3: And I watched him, and I went, hmm. Interesting. Cam Whitmore,
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  Speaker 3: who was a first-round pick that nobody seems to want anymore.
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  Speaker 3: He can't be good. And I go, hmm. That looked interesting.
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  Speaker 4: And Marvin Bagley.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, athletic backup center. Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: All I'm saying is, I'm not totally changing my tune,
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  Speaker 2: but I am... More encouraged after two preseason games.
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  Speaker 4: The number one reason you should be encouraged is because
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  Speaker 4: Aaron Gordon looks like Aaron Gordon.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And Aaron Gordon last night, I know he didn't finish
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  Speaker 4: with the most points. He finished with the most Nuggets points.
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  Speaker 4: He had 18. Dominated the game. He was the glue
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  Speaker 4: to the game. He made that game for the Nuggets.
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  Speaker 4: And the more I think about it, guys, talked about
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  Speaker 4: this with Jason Richardson in our pregame and postgame shows.
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  Speaker 4: Think about this for a second. He is, everybody keeps
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  Speaker 4: asking Joker to be the leader of this team, right?
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  Speaker 4: The leader of this team is Aaron Gordon. Number one,
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  Speaker 4: he has proven to be the mentor for all the
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  Speaker 4: younger players. Number two, he's the guy who organized the
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  Speaker 4: summer excursion to Puerto Rico to practice. Number three, he
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  Speaker 4: is the reason DeMar DeRozan signed here. He got DeMar
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  Speaker 4: DeRozan to sign here. He was the broker for that deal.
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  Speaker 4: He is the glue to this team. And if the
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  Speaker 4: glue ain't playing, they got problems.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And Vic, to me, like, and Moj, I'll toss it
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  Speaker 2: to you here because the Aaron Gordon part of this
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  Speaker 2: and the starting five are really your top seven players.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not concerned with it. I'm happy with your top seven.
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  Speaker 2: My whole thought towards this is if you want to
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  Speaker 2: win a championship, I watched at least three of the
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  Speaker 2: final four teams in the NBA last year. were using
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  Speaker 2: 10 guys in playoff games.
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  Speaker 3: That's what they were doing.
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  Speaker 2: And part of that was you have depth in case
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  Speaker 2: guys go down with injuries, but it's also you feel
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  Speaker 2: confident enough to throw 10 guys out there. And my
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  Speaker 2: concern is do the Nuggets have that? And all I'm
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  Speaker 2: saying is through two preseason games, I still would say no,
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  Speaker 2: but I am way more encouraged now than I was before.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like you. I'm not even saying no, Brett. I'm saying,
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  Speaker 5: you know what? I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. Because they might. Which is why I
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  Speaker 6: keep saying, Vic, Brett, one of these kids has to pop.
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  Speaker 6: One of these kids has to come in and actually
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  Speaker 6: be a player. When you talk about a guy like Bagley,
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  Speaker 6: he's been around. He's still a young guy, but he's
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  Speaker 6: been around. DeMar DeRozan's been around, around. I'm okay with
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  Speaker 6: the guys who have been around. But when I'm talking
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  Speaker 6: about one of these kids to pop, I'm talking about Brazil.
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  Speaker 6: I'm talking about Diallo, even though he's not a kid.
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  Speaker 6: Cam Whitmore off the scrap heap that you think to yourself, okay, well,
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  Speaker 6: can he come in here and actually become a real
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  Speaker 6: big-time player or reliable player? One or two of these
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  Speaker 6: guys has to be in that mix and in that description.
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  Speaker 6: And I think that they can be. I just don't know,
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  Speaker 6: but I am encouraged. And number one, Vic, you're right.
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  Speaker 6: Watching Aaron Gordon look like Aaron Gordon is so wonderful.
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  Speaker 5: And it reminds me of that old Poison song, Brett.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Why are you pausing? You know I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: say it. I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 5: Give me something to believe in.
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  Speaker 6: If there's a Lord above.
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  Speaker 4: But we don't... I'll give you.
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  Speaker 5: Something to believe in. Hang on, hang on.
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  Speaker 3: Aaron Gordon.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing about, like, you didn't disbelieve in his game.
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  Speaker 4: No, I disbelieved in his body.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's not going to change for another seven months.
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  Speaker 6: But I'm not talking about AG in my something to
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  Speaker 6: believe in. I'm talking about, hey, man, maybe this is
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  Speaker 6: still pretty damn good. Maybe the starting five and, let's say,
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  Speaker 6: the first seven of the rotation, maybe we were over,
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  Speaker 6: you know, fantasizing about pain. let's talk about some goodness
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  Speaker 6: that can come our way. That's what I'm hoping to do.
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  Speaker 3: It is good. It's very clearly.
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  Speaker 2: Their top seven is, I mean, Vic, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: would you still put it in this category? Because we've
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  Speaker 2: said this for a long time, especially with the starting five.
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  Speaker 3: As good as anybody in the.
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  Speaker 2: NBA, if I give you the top seven, would you
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  Speaker 2: say that with DeRozan and Spencer Jones?
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: I think I would too.
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: My concern is purely beyond that. What happens? Because guys
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  Speaker 3: are going to get hurt.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: You hope it doesn't happen in the postseason, but it's
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  Speaker 2: going to happen at some point. Do you have the
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  Speaker 2: requisite pieces outside of that? That's my question.
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  Speaker 3: Now, we can get into this a lot.
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  Speaker 2: More later because there's something else, speaking of injury, that
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  Speaker 2: I want to discuss with you guys. I did a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more digging because at the end of the show,
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  Speaker 2: I stumbled across that Bo Nix only has 25 rushing
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  Speaker 2: yards this year.
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  Speaker 5: We talked about that yesterday, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's done it on 14 attempts. The last
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  Speaker 3: three games of last season.
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  Speaker 2: So it's the KC game, it's the Chargers game to
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  Speaker 2: close out the regular season, and then the Bills games.
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  Speaker 2: The last three for Bo. How many rushing attempts he
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  Speaker 2: had in those last three games?
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  Speaker 4: 29.
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  Speaker 3: 29. He was averaging, taking off with the football, either
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  Speaker 3: by design play or running.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to ask you to differentiate rushing
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  Speaker 4: attempts versus... I would have to go back and look
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  Speaker 4: at each one of those, but I don't have that.
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  Speaker 4: The point is, he took off and ran almost 30
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  Speaker 4: times in the last three games, 10 times a game.
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  Speaker 4: And he's at 14 through four weeks right now. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think it's unfair to say that maybe the ankle
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  Speaker 4: is part of the problem.
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  Speaker 6: Well, the comfortability factor, Vic, of being able to mentally
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  Speaker 6: just get out and run, it doesn't matter whether you're
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  Speaker 6: flushed or a designed run. It's about are you willing
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  Speaker 6: to do it? Do you have the confidence in your
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  Speaker 6: body or the confidence in your brain to do it?
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  Speaker 6: And that's got to be– I mean, listen, for Bo Nix, Vic,
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  Speaker 6: you know exactly what I'm talking about. Watching him run
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  Speaker 6: the football has always been a very natural thing. Whether
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  Speaker 6: it's a design play or whether it's him getting flushed
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  Speaker 6: and him taking off, man, he wastes no time. He
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  Speaker 6: goes and gets it. So what's different? Is it the ankle?
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  Speaker 6: Is it the fear of the ankle? Is it something
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  Speaker 6: that's legit? I couldn't tell you, but there is a difference, Brad.
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  Speaker 4: I just sent you guys a video, and it's a real,
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  Speaker 4: really phenomenal video. This guy broke it down. We went
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  Speaker 4: through the All-22 and found all the plays where Bo
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  Speaker 4: had receivers open down the field. And he decided to
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  Speaker 4: go Charlie Checkdown for some reason. And when I say open,
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  Speaker 4: you know, open in the NFL, sometimes you're not even open.
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  Speaker 4: But in these instances, there was nobody around these guys.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We're talking 25, 30 yards down the field.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, candidates. it going to take a little while,
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  Speaker 5: a little extra long time for me to get it?
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  Speaker 5: I don't look at windows.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I texted it to you, so I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I got it.
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  Speaker 5: You got it?
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  Speaker 4: Okay. He published a chart at the end of this video.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's because, Vic, you sent it to me and
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  Speaker 3: Matt Kroll.
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  Speaker 4: Can you forward it to Mark, please?
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  Speaker 6: I always just thought, hey, look, with the exchange rate
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  Speaker 6: now and the tariffs, I thought that maybe the text
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't get to me nearly in time.
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  Speaker 5: Why do old.
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  Speaker 4: People do that all the time?
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  Speaker 6: Put a tax on the tariff on the tweet coming,
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  Speaker 6: text coming.
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  Speaker 5: And, Vic, I can't even look at that.
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  Speaker 4: It's on threads.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have threads.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you can't even open it? No, I can't even
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  Speaker 4: open it.
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  Speaker 5: Jesus, God.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, explain it to me.
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  Speaker 5: Well, take your word for it.
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  Speaker 3: Explain it to me.
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  Speaker 4: He just showed five or six plays where he had
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  Speaker 4: people open downfield and just checked it down. And it was,
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  Speaker 4: you know, when you look at it from the all 22,
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  Speaker 4: it's like, oh, my God. Now, I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: the design plays were down low or I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: but it was very revealing that he's unwilling to for
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  Speaker 4: whatever reason, to squeeze the ball into these windows.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, here's what I'm saying, though.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's like a fear of getting hit
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  Speaker 2: or anything like that, but could, if he is not
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  Speaker 2: totally confident in his ankle, could that lead to not
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  Speaker 2: being confident in other parts of his games like that?
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  Speaker 2: Would you rather just go the easier route of, hey,
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  Speaker 2: if I dump it off, I know I'll pick up
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  Speaker 2: some yards and we can just do that. That's what
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  Speaker 2: I'm wondering. Benny Fowler on DNVR said this, that he
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  Speaker 2: had a similar injury, and here's what he said.
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  Speaker 4: I have two screws in my left foot.
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  Speaker 3: I had surgery at Michigan State.
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  Speaker 7: It took me a full year to really get back
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  Speaker 7: to myself in terms of not really filling my screws
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  Speaker 7: in my foot. And so, look, Bo's healthy enough to play.
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  Speaker 7: And he's healthy enough to play at a good level.
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  Speaker 7: But I agree with you. There are times where he's
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  Speaker 7: very hesitant to take off. If he doesn't get back
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  Speaker 7: to what he was in the next four weeks, then
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to be really concerned about the rest of
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  Speaker 7: the year. Because I think two months into the season,
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  Speaker 7: you're getting more strength back.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think of that?
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  Speaker 6: I think it's absolutely natural. I think Benny, first of all,
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  Speaker 6: I loved having him on this program when he's ever
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  Speaker 6: come on our program. But I think it's absolutely true. Brett,
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  Speaker 6: I've been around this biz for so damn long, and
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  Speaker 6: I've talked to so many players about coming back from injury.
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  Speaker 6: Part of it's the physical nature of it. Okay, structurally,
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  Speaker 6: is it sound and is it reliable? Number two, are
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  Speaker 6: there residual effects? Is there tissue built up, scar tissue
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  Speaker 6: that needs to break down and it's a little swelling
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  Speaker 6: here or there as your body gets reaccustomed to the physicality?
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  Speaker 5: And number three, it's.
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  Speaker 6: The psychological aspect of it. You've got to be able
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  Speaker 6: to think that your body's going to hold up. And Vic,
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  Speaker 6: this is almost 30 years ago. It was such an
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  Speaker 6: eye-opening conversation with Lafonso Ellis I had. And we were
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  Speaker 6: just sitting talking about his knee. And he's like, look,
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  Speaker 6: it's fine. He goes, I just, in my head, I've
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  Speaker 6: got to be able to understand that it's not going
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  Speaker 6: to explode on me, essentially, right? And it was just
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  Speaker 6: a really, you know, fascinating look into the mind of
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  Speaker 6: a pro athlete when you have a devastating injury. And
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  Speaker 6: his isn't even really devastating. It just needed a little
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  Speaker 6: clean-up and fix-up and that sort of thing. It wasn't
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  Speaker 6: like you had to put the whole leg back together
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  Speaker 6: or like Landeskog. You take the entire leg apart, clean
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  Speaker 6: it out, put a dead guy in there. But it
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  Speaker 6: all figures into that because mentally you've got to be
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  Speaker 6: able to rely on it. So whether it's physical right now, Brett,
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  Speaker 6: mental that he won't take off, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Only he knows. But Those all figure in. They all
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  Speaker 5: absolutely do.
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  Speaker 4: What does that have to do with pushing the ball
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  Speaker 4: down the field?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's an overall confidence thing is what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: I get it if you don't want to run the ball,
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  Speaker 4: but I sent it to you, Nelly, and I want
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  Speaker 4: to put it on the screen behind these guys so
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  Speaker 4: you could see what I saw so everybody could relate
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  Speaker 4: to this. It wasn't just like, oh, yeah, it was blatant.
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  Speaker 5: It was 4-5 wide open.
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  Speaker 4: Where is he looking? Why is he not attempting to
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  Speaker 4: make these passes? Well, let's do this.
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  Speaker 2: We'll take a look when we come back. We had
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  Speaker 2: Jared Bednar at eight. I do have a quick question.
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  Speaker 2: Quick question on the way out, Vic. How often are
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  Speaker 2: you on threads? How many different socials are you jumping
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  Speaker 2: on between Twitter, TikTok, threads?
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  Speaker 4: We live in an era.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, geez.
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  Speaker 5: Here we go.
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  Speaker 4: Information.
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  Speaker 5: We live in a cynical world.
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  Speaker 4: Is disseminated via social media. And if you are not
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  Speaker 4: an authority on your social media channels, you are not informed.
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  Speaker 4: I choose to be informed.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I just sent you guys a text.
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  Speaker 6: Actually, I just sent it to Brett and Vic, your mom, Bambina.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure she'll get it and forward it on to
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  Speaker 6: the group, okay? Or when you go over for lunch today,
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure she'll show it to you, all right? So
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  Speaker 6: it really helps the show out a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, cutie. We'll take a look at these plays that
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  Speaker 2: Vic's talking about in just a second.
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  Speaker 3: Stick around.
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  Speaker 5: If you're in the game.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, then strokes the word.
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  Speaker 4: What the hell are you talking about?
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Now that Mosher.
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  Speaker 5: Hold on.
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  Speaker 4: That's not the song. I know the song you're referring to.
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  Speaker 4: That's not the song.
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  Speaker 5: It's my song.
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  Speaker 4: But that's not that song.
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  Speaker 5: I don't give a rat's rip. It's my own song.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: You can't take your song and apply it to that song.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: I can take my song and play it to any
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: song I want.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Both of you, shut up. Because I was trying to
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: talk to Nelly. Nelly couldn't hear me because Mosher was
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: singing 80 songs in his ear. So I'm just going
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: to do this on the air.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: What's new?
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: I just sent you a video of something that we're
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: going to play on the show later. Give me the
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: first 36 seconds of that, Nelly. That's all I wanted
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: to say to you.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: You got it.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: Stop.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: You get to do all your music stuff during the show.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: And I tolerate it. I find it criminal that I'm
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: not going to Ella Langley at Red Rocks tonight. That
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: I could not get a ticket to that show.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: It's criminal. I'm an LFL.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: And it's going to be epic at Red Rocks tonight.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: So, Vic, you want to break this down for us?
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: You're saying that this is.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: An example of Bo Nix missing people downfield, right?
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Well, just choosing not to go there with the ball,
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: choosing not to push the ball downfield. When, you know,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: Davis Webb and Sean Payton designed their offense, I'm sure
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: they're pretty proud of what they designed. And you're a coach,
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: you're an architect. You engineer an offense hoping that the
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: quarterback sees what you see. And for whatever reason, either
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: he's not seeing it or choosing not to go to it.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Here's the first play. All right. Twins left. Single right.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: One man in the backfield. He rolls to his right.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: That much Sutton right here?
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: Well, that's a tough throw to make. He's on the
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: other side of the field. He's rolling to his right.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: Take a look at the 20-yard line. Right there.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: I'm waiting for the in-break.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right there. Okay, so... There's a play there, chooses
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: not to go for it.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: That was a one-yard gain. Ends up being a one-yard gain.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: He ends up holding the ball, running it, and doesn't
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: throw it down the field. So he had somebody at
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: the 20 that could have been a 20-yard gain had
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: he decided to throw it there. Keep an eye on
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: this one. Now look at the guy running down the
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: middle of the field who's at the 45-yard line.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: That's actually the 36. I'm sorry, 36-yard line.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: Take a look at the 36-yard line. No, not that guy, Brett.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: The window's there. Pocket is clean. Pocket is really clean here.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: There's nobody there.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's wide open.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: That is a touchdown. That is a touchdown. Wide open
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: isn't even the word. See, in the NFL, you have
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: to throw guys open. You didn't even have to throw
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: him open.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: He was open.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Just for the people listening out there, Evan Ingram was
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: running a deep out, and I don't know which side
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: of the field he started on. But he's running towards
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: the sideline, and it would have been, by the time
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: he caught the ball, it would have been a 20-yard gain.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: And he had a whole bunch of room in front.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: So he decided, where does he go with that ball?
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: I can't see.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: From that video. He dumps down to R.J. Harvey right
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: So does he not see him, or does he choose
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: not to throw it there? That's the question, and I
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: can't answer that for you.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: But there's no way, if he saw Evan Ingram there,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't make that throw. That was easy. That was
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: just pitch and catch. There was nobody around him.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think he.
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: Do you think he plays scared, Vic? Is that what
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: you're insinuating?
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: No, I have no idea. I mean, no, you're not
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: scared because you're in the NFL. I mean, the guy's
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: taking hits already. Right, right, right. It's just processing the game.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: All right, let's go to the next one. Double high
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: safety look for San Francisco. They lived in this look.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a shot.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: All right, here we go. This is the one that,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: to me, is very revealing. So if you look at
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: the 42-yard line, there's a running back that's just sitting
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: there waiting to receive the ball, all right? But look
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: past that running back about 15 yards. There's a receiver
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: currently at the 30 that's ready to run an in route.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: At the right hashes.
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: Wide. I mean, when I say wide open, Moj, this
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: is your forehead open.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: And this is a throw that you need to make
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: with anticipation, get it over Fred Warner's head, and you've
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: got this nice little pocket there in the middle of
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the field.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: All right, let's see what happens. So this guy's going
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: to cut in, just throw it short to let him
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: have the ball. There's two guys there, actually.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: And instead.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Look at that. There are two guys open down the
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: field in the same area.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, what could be a 25-yard gain at least
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: turns into a dump off that results in five yards.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: So what do you think there? Do you think he
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: didn't see them? There are two guys that were to
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: be seen.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: I sure would like to know, Vic.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Is this all on the same drive, by the way?
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: I don't know. No, it can't be on the same drive.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: They're all, like, in the same position.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Can't be on the same drive.
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: Vic, I sure would like to know that if we
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: rewound it, that first guy, where I can't see. Listen,
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: I'm in Winnipeg. I can't see that far. I can't
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: see behind Brett's head. I can't see who it is.
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: Whoever's in the slot.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: For some reason, this is blurred, too. I don't know why.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. There's a player in a white jersey
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: that's a Bronco.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: But whoever that guy is, that route is sort of
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: rounded off toward the goal line. I wonder if the
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: route is supposed to be rounded off like that or
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: if it's supposed to be squared off to the middle
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: of the field because two guys kind of ended up
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: in the same spot. Sure.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: But from a quarterback's perspective, even if you don't think
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: you can squeeze it in there, if he shortens that
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: throw by 10 yards, it's still a big game.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: But to me, it's more about... It's waiting and letting
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: a play develop.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: If you've noticed, I think on almost every one of
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: these plays, Vic, we're talking about, hey, they're about to
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: make the break. They're about to get out of their break.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: And by that time, Bo Nix is already dumping the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: ball off. I think it could be more of a
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: patience thing.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Now, go back to that last one. I want to
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: see what the pocket looks like to see if it's
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: a clean pocket. All right, because a lot of times,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: you know, a quarterback's going to be hurried into a
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: throw he doesn't want to make. I want to see
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: the pocket on that last one just to see where
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: he sits.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: Okay, that's the previous one. All right, so that was
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: the dump off.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: All right, so here's the snap, and.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Keep going.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a perfect pocket. It's perfect. It's so clean,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: you can eat off that pocket.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: They got a double team on the left end, the
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: left edge rusher, and everybody else is locked up. Bowles
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: has his guy. Wattenberg has his. Powers has his. They're all, like,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: they aren't even moving forward. Yeah.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: So keep going.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Keep going, Nelly.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a quarterback's dream pocket right there.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: To the point where, see, this is what I'm talking about.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: That in-break is just happening, Vic, and the ball's already
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: out of his hands.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: That's just not having patience. He's not waiting for the
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: play to develop, and there's no reason to throw it
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: inside there because, look, there's nobody near him. There's nobody
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: within five yards of him.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: So what is that?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: So let's break that down more. What does that mean?
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: And I've discussed this before. I think, to me, it's
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: one of the only things that makes sense. Bo Nix
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: is not scared to get hit, okay?
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: He's not.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: So what is this? My guess is, I just saw
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: a stat.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I'll read it to you. These are the sacks taken
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: by each team in the NFL this year. What's crazy
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: about this chart is that the San Francisco 49ers have
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: a big zero next to their name.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: They've yet to get him sacked.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: The Broncos are tied for second in the league. They've
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: only given up five. Is that because Bo Nix is
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: scared to take a hit?
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I think it's because he's had it drilled in his head.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: You can't take sacks, sacks or drive killers, get rid
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: of the ball.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to confuse the two here. This
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: isn't a fear factor thing. This guy's a tough dude,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: all right? He's proven he's a tough dude. He's willing
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: to mix it up. It has nothing to do with
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: toughness or evading physicality. It has everything to do with
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: deciding when to throw.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: That's all.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: And choosing not to go deep for whatever reason. And
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: deep in this case isn't even deep. It's 15, 20
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: yards down the field. That's not even deep.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: You know what I think you tell them? You tell
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Bo Nix it's okay to take a sack. It's okay
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: to take one every once in a while. If you're
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: trying to get a big play, it's okay.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Hey, man, some of the best plays we've seen are
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: when guys have dudes draped all over them and they
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: still manage to throw completions.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Do you remember a year ago? Justin Herbert's pass completion
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: when he had Nick Benito on his shoulder and he
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: still managed to get the ball off for a touchdown.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Do you remember that?
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: And I referenced that play because there's a, that's a skill.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen's very good at the skill of being able
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: to complete a pass all the time.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: Being able to complete a pass when you're feeling pressure,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: when you're feeling it in this case, he's not even
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: feeling it yet. No, it's clean.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: It's clean.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: And I just think that's a time thing. It's you're
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: in the pocket for that. What is the average pressure?
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: It's two and a half to three seconds, something like that.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: And he hits that two and a half to three seconds.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And he goes, I have to get rid of the ball.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Even when things are clean around him.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Listen, there's five more examples of this in that game alone.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: There's five more examples. So my deduction after watching this video,
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: whoever put this together and all you have to do
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: is go to the all 22 and watch every play.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Play calling is fine. The plays are there. Play calling's fine.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Whoever designed those plays, whether it's Sean Payton or Davis Webb,
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: whoever designed the route tree, all that, you're doing it well.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Play calling is perfect. He's not getting the ball to
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: where he's supposed to get the ball.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: A texture makes a great point, by the way. A
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: sack isn't worse than taking a three and out. So,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Bo Nix has taken five sacks this year. Do you
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: guys remember how they came? He took four against Kansas City.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: That first game.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: So he's only been sacked one time in the last
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: three weeks.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's drilled into him or not,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: but stand and deliver. Stand and deliver the rock.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: 303, 504, 0925.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: It's crazy seeing that because that feels like that's correctable.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: That's not some sort of mechanical flaw.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Seeing an open wide receiver....
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know how much of this is correctable or
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: how much of this is just ingrained.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: Vic, the plays that you have right there, the Broncos
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: have that and a lot more. And I'm sure that
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: all week long, Davis Webb and Sean Payton are with
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: the quarterbacks, specifically Bo Nix, and saying, all right, what
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: did you or did you not see here? What is
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: it about this play that you did not want to
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: go there or could you not go there? I mean,
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: they're disseminating all this information online. on a weekly basis.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: The question is, are you going to learn from it
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: against the chargers? Well, should, and are you going to then,
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: you know, are you going to implement better play and
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: more recognition in your game going forward? And if you do,
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: then you're going to be just fine.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: It's the hardest position in all the sports. I'm not
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: going to, I'm not going to tell you that he's
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: not capable of doing it because he's proven that late
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: in games, when all bets are off and you need
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: to score, For some reason, his mentality changes. And it
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: becomes more that.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: He's looking downfield.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Exactly right. So that mentality, he's proven he can show
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: it and do it.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: He's done it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: But for whatever reason, the conservativeness early in games, and
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: even for three quarters the other day, it's hard to fathom.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: I don't understand why he won't release the ball.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Is he not seeing the receiver? Or does he not
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: want to throw it to the receiver? I don't think
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: he's seeing the receiver. I, my opinion is, he's locking in.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why when I use the word correctable, that's
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: what I mean. You know, when Stafford, or I'm sorry,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Orlovsky tells the story about Stafford where he says, why
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: didn't you just take the check down? Why'd you throw
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: it into double coverage? And his response is, because I
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: can and you can't. That's not correctable for Dan Orlovsky.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: you aren't physically capable of doing that. This is about
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: making the correct read. And in year three, is that,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: should that be a problem in year three for a quarterback?
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Probably not, you know, in the same offense, it's not
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: like things have changed. So that, that doesn't make you
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: feel good, but it's like, can you teach it?
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: My pregame speech to Bo Nix would be this, Bo,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: pretend the score is 21, nothing opposition, Vic, First series
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: of the game. First series of the game this Sunday. Hey,
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: we're down 21-0. It's fourth quarter.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: I have jokingly said, you know what? Just have the
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: defense lay down for the first two drives of the
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: game against the Chargers and have it be 14-0 in
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: the first quarter. And then just let him loose. Let
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: him free. You're going to win 35-26 or something like that.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: It's funny. I have wholeheartedly said, said that.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: I don't know. He just is a different guy.
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: It's easy to see. He looks different. He behaves different,
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: plays different, delivers the ball differently. The confidence factor and
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: the streetball factor is huge for this guy.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: It really is.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Now, watch a similar game. Watch tape of Jameis Winston.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: He takes it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Way the other side. He'll make throws that... Where's he
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: throwing that? The guy's not even through his break yet.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: But he has that Confidence in that I don't care attitude.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: I'm going to throw.
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: I'm just praying for the Lord to deliver me from
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: pick sixes.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Here's the trouble with bow, man. We can watch this
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: and we can be like, dude, that's that's awful. Like
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: you need to be able to hit that. If you
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: hit those receivers again, if you can get an offense
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: where those plays that are not difficult plays, that is
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: open guys.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Throw them the football.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: And I know that early in games has always been
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: sort of a slog. But I keep going back. I
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: actually did it again last night. Just turn on a
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: highlight tape of the Bills game in the playoffs last year.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: And look at the throws that he makes. He's making
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: all these throws. In fact, he's making ones where guys
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: are covered and still fitting it in there. But there
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: was a willingness to take the shot. And to me,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: this is like willingness to do it.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Are you seeing it? Like all of that. It just
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: feels like you're taking the easy route.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Could be worse. Could always be worse.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: In that what?
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: Do you see there's a game this weekend with the
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: Houston Texans 0-4 on the road at the 0-4 Tennessee Titans?
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: Do you see that game coming up this weekend? Somebody said.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: Somebody said, Texans fans are beside themselves, somebody said, can
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: they flex this game to the Weather Channel? To which
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: the Weather Channel replied, we're going to.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: Take a pass.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: You know what, hang on.
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: And Texans fans are like, oh no, we're getting busted
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: up on by the Weather Channel. It was, it's pretty funny,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: like in all caps, like they're having kittens because Both
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: those teams suck.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: The Broncos don't suck. They just got to get some
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: stuff together.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Turn your mic down just a little bit.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: You're maxing out. You sound fine. You're just maxing out
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: You know what's interesting about that?
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: I don't feel like I'm maxing out.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: You want to hear something crazy about the Houston Texans?
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: You ever maxed out in the weight room?
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Totally maxed out.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: The Houston Texans, if you were to describe them as
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: a football team, how would you describe them? Um.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: I don't know. They were good last year, Brett. They're
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: junk right now.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I think what you'd say is a really good defense
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: with an offense that doesn't help, right?
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fair.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: So they've lost two games this year in which the
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: offense has scored 30 points.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's crazy. The defense is supposed to be really good,
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: and it's not.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: What's that?
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: I don't know what that is.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: First of all, they can't run the football. Their leading
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: rusher is David Montgomery, who they traded for in the offseason.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: He's averaging 2.7 yards per carry. It's his average. So
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: they can't run the football. And they've lost two games
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: when they scored 30 points, which I didn't think was
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: possible with that defense.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, they're in a mess, like a total mess
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Because at least they had something last year that every
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: week you could be like, well, the defense is going
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: to play well.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: They can't even say that anymore.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Let me read this text. Quote, this is from 6067 Larkspur.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: I can't listen to you guys tell me that the
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: play calling is perfect. Your video is so blurry. You
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: can't even see the numbers on the jerseys. Come on
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: over to my house for a lesson on play calling.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: We will watch these games on a high def broadcast
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: and you'll be schooled on football.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: One Oh one.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Y'all better bring your notebooks and laptops and whatever bull
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: crap you media chumps need to learn about football because
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: you sound like a total fool. If you think this
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: rookie play caller is perfect.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I got something on the play caller a little
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: bit later in the show. Um, I don't know why
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: you responded so angrily.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: Cool, Carl.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: That was an angry text to a show that's just
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: trying to show video of guys open. We're not trying
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: to split the atom here, my friend. You know who
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: bothers me more than anybody? People who think football is that, like, scientific.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Come on over and we'll break it down. Football's an
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: easy game. You try and get a guy open, you
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: try and find open field, and you throw the ball
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: there or run the ball there. It's not that hard.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: So people who try to make it like, oh, I'll
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: learn you up. It's really not that hard, okay? Secondly,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: nobody is saying that the perfect play caller exists. This
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: isn't a perfect play caller. But let me ask you something, Texter.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Where are these plays coming from? Where do they originate?
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Whose plays are these plays? Who do they belong to?
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: They belong to Sean Payton, essentially. He runs the system.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Davis Webb calls the plays, but the plays are originated
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: by the Sean Payton playbook. He's one of the best
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: play designers in NFL history.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: He is.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: You know, and on that subject, Vic, there's something I
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: want to get to.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Coach Sanford was on with DMACC on DMACC After Dark
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: or Altitude Football at Night or whatever that show is called.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: Altitude.com, Altitude.com.
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: Text.twitch.com.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: It's the show that they have on YouTube. I'm just
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: going to call it DMACC at night. Sanford relayed a
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: story of his time in Minnesota when he was the
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: OC for Minnesota's football team. And a similar situation in
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: which he found himself to Davis Webb.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: We'll get to it next.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: You know me, Brett.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I'm not a music connoisseur like Mosier and yourself. I'm
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: not a concert goer. I don't go to many.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: I don't.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not a concert goer either.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: But if the opportunity existed to go watch Ella Langley
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: at Red Rocks, I would take it on very quickly.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Here's my problem. I don't know what the ticket prices are.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: They're through the roof. Take a look.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: No, I'm sure what I'm going to say is, I
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: can't really justify seeing anybody that is famous at Red
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Rocks anymore.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: I can't pay $ 400 for a ticket. I love Red Rocks.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: More than that, bro.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: It's the greatest music venue, I think, in the world.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Put it in right now.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: Put it in.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Put it in your machine. I already did, Brett.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: What is it?
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Ella Langley Red Rocks tickets.
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: To get in the building is $ 809.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Who's paying that?
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: I love Ella Langley. Someone told me that Keef is going.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: Hey, Vic, if you want to, Keith makes too much money.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Let's make that clear right now. If Keith is going
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: to this concert tonight, Altitude pays him excessively.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: If you want to drive to Tulsa for the show
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: tomorrow night, you can get in for 108 bucks.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: But you got to go to Tulsa. Now, part of
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: the allure of seeing Ella Lang is sitting on those
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: oxidized rock, the sedimentary rocks and red rocks, and just
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: breathing that in. Then again, last time I went to
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Red Rocks, I got high because everybody around me is
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: smoking weed. So that sucked.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: It's just, I can't, I'm telling you, anybody that I
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: think is worth seeing, I'm trying to figure out if
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: there's one person that I would pay that price to
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: go see.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: You would.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Not for Ella.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: No.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Maybe Bruno.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: Bruno, maybe.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: But I can't, I can't, $ 800 to see somebody do
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: a concert for, you know, I just.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Can't do it. If I give you a choice, $ 800.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: You played Pebble Beach or watched your favorite musician play
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: at Red Rocks?
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: Pebble Beach.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Pebble Beach. No question.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: No question.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: You know what's so sad? My answer honestly.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Would be neither.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: I want to make sure you're alive and well.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: My answer would be neither, to be honest with you.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: I found a ticket stub from when I was 14
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: years old for ACDC. How much do you think it
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: was to go to ACDC when I was 14? $ 14.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: $ 10.
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: 50. Yeah.
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: Vic, there's a GA ticket for what is that, Brett?
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: About $ 600?
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, $ 591.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: On StubHub.
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: There you go. I just saved you $ 200, Vic.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: What does GA mean?
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: General admission. You just stand at the top of Red Rock.
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: Instead of having a reserved spot, you got to go
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: to the top few rows.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: There's no bad seat in the house.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: Would they mind if I did some exercising while I
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: was there?
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Be the dude who runs backwards down all the stairs. Hey,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: let me give you this real quick. Coach Sample was
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: on with DMACC at night last night, and he talked
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: about his time at the University of Minnesota under P.J.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: Fleck.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: He was the offensive coordinator there for a year. Similar
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: position to Davis Webb. He's there to be the O.C.,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: But he's running an offense that is not totally his offense.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: It's an offense that was given to him that he
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: had to operate within.
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: I'm running Kurt Scirocco's system at Minnesota.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Nobody told me that when I took the job.
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: Nobody said you're going to be running this guy's system
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: that you have not inherently known. But I'm calling the
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: plays essentially from, I mean, I got through spring ball
• 37:16
  Speaker 9: and all that stuff. The entire staff that I was
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: working with were all Scirocco guys.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: They all knew that system and they taught it to me.
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: And then, you know, if I tried to go outside
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: the box, you can't do that.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Because we don't do that here.
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: But I've done it everywhere else.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I think I would hate that. Like I've said it
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: before for like this. The reason why I like radio,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: the reason why I like this job, I do whatever
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I want. If I want to talk about something, I
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: talk about it, and I talk about it in the
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: way I want to talk about it.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: You're not running the Shockey system?
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: But yeah, if Shockey said to me every morning, okay,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: you can talk about the Broncos, but you have to
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: talk about the play calling, and you have to talk
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: about this and that, I'd be like, well, why can't
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I just do what I want? If I fail at this,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I want to fail doing my own thing. I don't
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: want to fail because I'm running your system of what
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: you think is best.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I want to do mine.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: And I think that I've always thought for Davis Webb
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: that it's a weird sort of thing. He has the
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: play call. He has the headset. But he is operating
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: within a system that is not totally and entirely his.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Especially if it comes to big plays, two-point conversions, fourth
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: and shorts, games on the line. Is Sean Payton involved
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: in that?
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: This is his playbook, boys.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: This is his playbook. He handed it to Davis Webb
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: and said, okay, call the plays. But it's his playbook.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: But is that freedom? Is that something that.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Well, let me ask you this. When Sean Payton was
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator for the New York Giants under Bill Parcells,
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: whose playbook was it? Parcells wasn't exactly an offensive-minded coach,
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: but I guarantee... It was a playbook fashioned in his demeanor. Okay,
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: let me ask you this. His personality.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this. What's going on in L.A.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: right now?
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Is Mike McDaniel running Mike McDaniel's offense, or is he
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: running a version of Harbaugh with Mike McDaniel's sprinkles on it?
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: That's a great question. Probably why the mixology of that
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: combination is not working. Because that doesn't look like Miami,
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: what they're doing in L.A. That does not look like
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: what he was doing with the Dolphins. How about this, Vic?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe this guy is going to be the greatest play
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: caller who's ever lived. I don't know if you guys
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: even noticed this last week. Ben Johnson in Chicago. He
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: didn't say he was going to start at quarterback. It
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: was Tyson Bajent.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Did you see what the first play was, though?
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: I did not.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: First play, Case Keenum was lined up under center. Tyson
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Bajent was lined up as a wide receiver. They handed
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: the ball off. He got to the postgame press conference
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: and he said, told you I didn't know he was
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: going to start.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: He called a play to mess with reporters.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: In that game.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: You understand how insane that is?
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Now, if Sean Payton hired Ben Johnson to be the
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator here, Would Ben Johnson have the freedom to
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: do that, or does Ben Johnson have to do what
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Sean Payton wants but operate within that system?
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: Brett, I think it's about some track record, though. I mean, listen,
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: now Ben Johnson, he had a track record with the
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: Detroit Lions.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: That was stellar.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: I'm just using an extreme example.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and he's building his own track record with the
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: Chicago Bears. It would probably be a mix of both,
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: but if you're going to hire that guy, you're hiring
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: him to fully take over the reins. Not that Davis
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: Webb doesn't have his own ideas about things, maybe his own.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: Plays or whatever.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: But he's new to it, and he's still a younger dude.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: And maybe once he gets that experience and he gets
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: that sort of flow going, then he can do more
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: of his own things in his future career as a
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: head coach. He'll implement his own offense and so on. But,
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: you know, it's really interesting, too. We talk about, like,
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: the Shanahan coaching tree, Vic. Where did Shanahan get his–
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: where did he get.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: Bill Walsh. That's correct. So Bill Walsh. And where did
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: Bill Walsh get it? I mean, it's evolved.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: I know this, too. I read this book, The History
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: of Coaching.
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: Oh, God, where did he get it from? He was
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: at Stanford and so on, and a little Coryell in there.
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: But the point is this, is that over time these
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: things evolve. Shani's offense when he was with the Broncos
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: wasn't necessarily what Bill Walsh did, but all the concepts
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: were there.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: It evolves.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: It evolves over time, and I'm sure that's exactly what
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: Davis Webb will do. He's still a young man. When
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: he gets a head coaching job, it'll be his offense entirely.
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: But right now he's just not that guy.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: It evolves because of the players you have, different players
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: with different skill sets. Correct. But there's no denying this,
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: and anybody who chimes in, I've already heard, there's no
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: denying Sean Payton's play calling and play design ability. He's
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: one of the best play designers in the history.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: Of the game.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Go back and look at some of that New Orleans tape.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Not to say that it's not still working. It obviously
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: is effective. They went 14-3. Yeah. Correct.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just one of those things.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: I wonder.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: what that dynamic is in the same way with the
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: chargers who you're playing this weekend, their offense looks terrible.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: It looked better last year with Jim Harbaugh in charge. It,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: the Miami dolphins offense looked better last year with Mike
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: McDaniel in charge, but they run two entirely different offenses.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: And how is that marriage coming together? How much of
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: the Harbaugh influence is affected by the zaniness of a
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel offense. And that could be part of their
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: struggles here early in the year.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: I just, I don't know. I don't know the answer
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: to that.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Bottom line is, what Vic pointed out earlier, there are
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: guys open, wide open in this offense that are being
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: missed right now.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: And that's what makes it even more difficult.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Because, Vic, you're talking about, wasn't it the running game
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: yesterday where it was chicken, egg, farmer, God?
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Like, you could do that with the passing game, too.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Dude, my analogies have been pretty damn good lately. I
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: have to say.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: What's another one you did?
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Got a lot of people talking about chicken, egg.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: And farmer. I don't think you do.
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: Do you need me to bring up the clip where
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: you described the two types of coffee makers and how
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: that pertains to the Broncos offense?
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, if you choose to go there, feel free.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Thought it hit home.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Jared Bednar is going to join us in just a
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: couple of minutes. Reminder to you guys, we're live at No.
• 43:22
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• 43:25
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• 43:29
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• 43:34
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• 43:35
  Speaker 3: 38 in Rhino.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: 6675. Gentlemen, let's be honest. Ella Langley has never drank
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Jack all by herself or lost a band to a
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: girl from Texas.
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: No, she really hasn't. Now, you can sing a bit.
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: I mean, was Van Halen really running with the devil?
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: Maybe they were.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: I don't think Sinatra flew to the moon.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: Right, might not have. Did he ever get to the
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: church on time? Maybe, maybe not. Who knows?
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: They're all, what do you call them? Not analogies.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: What are they?
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Why can't I find the word?
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: Calliloquy? Some queery. All right.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe Jared Bednar knows. He joins us next.