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- 0:00Apryl Bradford: If 4 pm at your house feels like a volcano about to explode, you are not alone.
- 0:06Apryl Bradford: After-school meltdowns are incredibly common for kids with ADHD.
- 0:10Apryl Bradford: Today, we're going to break down why they happen, what's going on in the brain, and we're going to give you a three-step plan you can start tonight.
- 0:19Apryl Bradford: Welcome to Raising ADHD the podcast for parents and teachers raising ADHD kids.
- 0:25Apryl Bradford: If you've ever felt frustrated, overwhelmed or just unsure what to do next, you're not alone.
- 0:32Apryl Bradford: I'm April Bradford, a former teacher and ADHD mom, and, alongside my husband, dr Brian Bradford, a child and adolescent psychiatrist, we're here to give you the clarity, strategies and support you've been looking for.
- 0:45Apryl Bradford: Every week, we break down the misconceptions, answer your biggest questions and share real tools you can use right away at home and in the classroom.
- 0:55Apryl Bradford: So if you're ready to feel more confident and less overwhelmed, you're in the right place.
- 0:59Apryl Bradford: Hey there, I'm April Bradford, and joining me is my husband, dr Brian Bradford.
- 1:07Apryl Bradford: Welcome, brian.
- 1:08Brian Bradford: Hello.
- 1:10Apryl Bradford: And welcome back to the Raising ADHD podcast.
- 1:12Apryl Bradford: We're so happy that you're here Today.
- 1:15Apryl Bradford: We are tackling one that I know a lot of you are struggling with, and that is the afterschool meltdown.
- 1:21Apryl Bradford: If your house feels like a volcano about to erupt when that 3.30, 4 o'clock time afterschool hits, this episode is for you.
- 1:31Apryl Bradford: We are tackling those afterschool meltdowns and, just so you know, they are incredibly common for kids with ADHD and we're going to break down why they happen, what's going on in the brain, and the best part is, we're going to give you a three-step plan you can start tonight.
- 1:46Brian Bradford: Hey, quick disclaimer this podcast is educational only.
- 1:49Brian Bradford: It is not medical advice.
- 1:51Brian Bradford: Always talk to your children's provider about medical or medication questions that goes with this episode.
- 1:56Apryl Bradford: We're going to be sharing a three-part plan to help navigate those afterschool meltdowns, so you can go grab that at raisingadhdorg slash meltdown.
- 2:12Apryl Bradford: We're going to start with talking about why these meltdowns happen.
- 2:16Apryl Bradford: I'm going to be covering the parent lens of this and Brian is going to cover the medical, the cognitive, behavioral part of it.
- 2:28Apryl Bradford: Think about when you get home from work and when you get home I know that I work from home Brian obviously works out of the home.
- 2:38Apryl Bradford: When he gets home, he's like I just need no one to talk to me for a minute.
- 2:44Apryl Bradford: You know I'm going to go just decompress and think about that.
- 2:49Apryl Bradford: Like we as adults need that and kids need it too.
- 2:53Apryl Bradford: But for some reason we think and I think it's like we think that it's like good parenting to be like oh, how was your day?
- 3:02Apryl Bradford: Tell us all about your day.
- 3:04Apryl Bradford: When you walk in from work, brian, do you want to tell me all about your day?
- 3:07Brian Bradford: No.
- 3:09Apryl Bradford: He's like don't talk to me.
- 3:11Brian Bradford: Don't talk to me.
- 3:12Brian Bradford: I'm taking a nap, or this is my bathroom break, or my snack break, or just my alone time.
- 3:19Apryl Bradford: Yeah, and when you say bathroom break, I'm going to go lock myself in the bathroom because it has a locking door and I can chill out.
- 3:24Apryl Bradford: No one's going to bug me.
- 3:25Apryl Bradford: So the same is true for our kids.
- 3:28Apryl Bradford: Think about it all day long.
- 3:29Apryl Bradford: Kids with ADHD are working overtime to keep it together.
- 3:35Apryl Bradford: They're having to sit still sit in their desk all day.
- 3:39Apryl Bradford: They're trying to listen, trying not to blurt out.
- 3:42Apryl Bradford: There's all the things that are going on around them, so they're trying to filter that out, navigating.
- 3:48Apryl Bradford: You know just life as a kid, the playground, drama, doing schoolwork that, for some of these kiddos, feels twice as hard for them.
- 3:57Apryl Bradford: And by the end of the day their brain fuel is gone, their gas tank is empty.
- 4:04Apryl Bradford: And if you think about it, on top of that, the schools are loud, bright and crowded.
- 4:13Apryl Bradford: So they have sensory overload.
- 4:16Apryl Bradford: You know they have, like the is it called neon lights, what they have in the school, yeah, fluorescent lights.
- 4:23Apryl Bradford: Fluorescent yes, that's the word Fluorescent lights.
- 4:25Apryl Bradford: That's overstimulating to the brain and they're in that all day long.
- 4:29Apryl Bradford: So when we add that social stress and the frustration with schoolwork and being told to sit still and pay attention dozens of times throughout the day, and by the time they walk in your door they are done just like you feel after work.
- 4:46Apryl Bradford: So when you see those tears, the yelling, the slamming doors or the complete shutdown at home, it's not bad behavior.
- 4:54Apryl Bradford: One of my favorite phrases and it's from Dr Becky, she says they're not giving you a hard time, they're having a hard time.
- 5:04Apryl Bradford: That's what's happening when they walk in that door after school.
- 5:07Apryl Bradford: It's all that stress and self-control from the school day.
- 5:10Apryl Bradford: It's all of a sudden, you know, like that volcano image.
- 5:13Apryl Bradford: It's bubbling up and it's about to explode.
- 5:17Apryl Bradford: Depending on your kid, they might, you know, be that anger, or it might boil over into the tears and the crying anger, or it might boil over into the tears and the crying.
- 5:29Apryl Bradford: So, brian, that's the environmental, the parent lens of it.
- 5:34Apryl Bradford: What's the medical?
- 5:35Apryl Bradford: Can you tell us, like, what's actually happening in the ADHD brain that makes these meltdowns?
- 5:37Brian Bradford: so common Research shows that these ADHD kids are using different brain circuits and where they really struggle is with their frontal lobe.
- 5:43Brian Bradford: That's the like attention executive functioning lobe, and so they're basically masking all day long.
- 5:51Brian Bradford: Their executive function is going through the roof all day long relative to what their baseline is, and so it's a lot more difficult.
- 5:59Brian Bradford: You can imagine this.
- 6:00Brian Bradford: This is like exercising all day long, except for you're running and everybody else gets to ride a bike.
- 6:05Brian Bradford: You can still get to the same place.
- 6:07Brian Bradford: Everybody can be just as fast or efficient or whatever.
- 6:13Brian Bradford: It's just it's going to require a lot more energy for these ADHD kids.
- 6:15Brian Bradford: So when it all gets done, they've been running and everybody else has got to coast along on their bikes and they're exhausted and they're done for the day.
- 6:22Brian Bradford: Bikes and they're exhausted and they're done for the day.
- 6:28Brian Bradford: So not only are you having the work that you have to do throughout the day, but you've also got the emotional and the social factors that happen at school that are also exhausting for ADHD.
- 6:35Brian Bradford: A lot of these ADHD kids are trying to mask, they're trying to hide the hyperactivity or the distraction or things like this in a social setting, and that's also exhausting.
- 6:45Apryl Bradford: What looks like a tiny trigger to most of us, you know, like the sibling humming in the car on the way home from school or you gave them the wrong snack or being asked about homework is actually really big to them because they're so depleted.
- 7:01Apryl Bradford: It just can cause this huge eruption.
- 7:04Brian Bradford: Right, they're exhausted to begin with, and I mean we've kind of already talked about this in other podcasts.
- 7:08Brian Bradford: But exhaustion, lack of sleep, this kind of thing, fatigue, basically turns your ADHD into super ADHD, and now it's extra difficult to try and do this.
- 7:16Brian Bradford: So this is like getting somebody who's already ran way too far being like, oh, by the way, we have one more staircase left, and you're like screw this, I hate this.
- 7:25Apryl Bradford: Yeah, Like I'm done.
- 7:26Brian Bradford: I'm done.
- 7:27Apryl Bradford: I'm giving up right now and emotional dysregulation is one of those core features of ADHD that you know we talked about in the very first episode about how ADHD the name does a disservice because we just think the hyperactivity, but it's this emotional dysregulation is a core piece of ADHD and about 25 to 45% of kids with ADHD have significant challenges with managing emotions.
- 7:56Brian Bradford: Right, that's almost half.
- 7:58Apryl Bradford: Yeah, thank you, mr Mathematician.
- 8:00Apryl Bradford: You're welcome, your mathematician.
- 8:02Brian Bradford: You're welcome.
- 8:04Apryl Bradford: So their brains are literally wired to have bigger, faster reactions once they're wore out.
- 8:11Brian Bradford: Yeah, exactly.
- 8:12Apryl Bradford: We're going to give you a three-step plan to implement after school that's going to help them decompress, just like we do as adults.
- 8:23Apryl Bradford: We lock ourselves in the bathroom with our phone to decompress.
- 8:26Apryl Bradford: We're going to give you a three-step plan here.
- 8:29Apryl Bradford: So, brian, do you want to tell them what step number one is?
- 8:33Brian Bradford: Sure.
- 8:34Brian Bradford: Step number one is get them a snack, get them some water and get them to a quiet place, and this cures basically three things that are going to be occurring at the end of school, which is now my energy's gone and I'm overstimulated and I just need a drink.
- 8:51Brian Bradford: You just need that kind of like that Linus blanket, I call them.
- 8:54Brian Bradford: I just need my comfort things and to be done.
- 8:57Apryl Bradford: Yeah, and these kids are usually if they're on medication, they probably haven't eaten that much for lunch, if they're on a stimulant and so they're hungry, they're thirsty because, let's be honest, they don't drink that much at school.
- 9:09Apryl Bradford: They're doing other things, so they're hungry, they're thirsty, they're tired, like we've talked about, and so this snack water and quiet is a great first step for them.
- 9:21Apryl Bradford: You don't even have to talk to them.
- 9:22Apryl Bradford: Here's your script we talked about in one of our episodes.
- 9:25Apryl Bradford: The less words, the better.
- 9:26Apryl Bradford: You can tell them.
- 9:28Apryl Bradford: Here's your snack.
- 9:29Apryl Bradford: Sit anywhere you like.
- 9:31Apryl Bradford: I'm right here.
- 9:32Brian Bradford: The other thing that happens right at the end of the day for a lot of these kids is that's when the stimulants start to wear off.
- 9:37Brian Bradford: So they've taken something like a Adderall in the morning or a Concerta in the morning and now is running out right at the very end, and so now I'm hungry, I'm starving, like I've been without food all day long, and that thing that was keeping me my appetite suppressed is now gone and I'm starving.
- 9:55Apryl Bradford: So they're hangry on top of everything else too.
- 9:58Brian Bradford: They're hangry.
- 9:59Apryl Bradford: Yes, and our daughter does this.
- 10:00Apryl Bradford: Her favorite place to go decompress which Brian cannot stand is our bed.
- 10:07Brian Bradford: Yeah, Keep in mind this is with water, with food, the odds of one of those ending up still in the bed reasonably high.
- 10:16Apryl Bradford: But it works for her, For her yes, hard on the, for her only.
- 10:22Apryl Bradford: For sure, but it's a system that her and I have figured out the works.
- 10:27Apryl Bradford: Now brian comes home, that sends him off the rails.
- 10:31Brian Bradford: That's a story for another I'm going to lie in your bed at night like dead tired.
- 10:35Brian Bradford: You go, pull down the sheets and poof, there's 12 oreos in there six crumbs in your bed 12 12 Oreos worth of crumbs.
- 10:43Brian Bradford: Yeah.
- 10:45Apryl Bradford: Oh, okay.
- 10:46Apryl Bradford: So once you've got them their snack, their water, they've been in their quiet place, let them decompress.
- 10:53Apryl Bradford: We're going to go into step two and that's we've got them in their place and this is now.
- 10:59Apryl Bradford: We're going to decompress and reset.
- 11:01Apryl Bradford: So give them, you know, 20, 30 minutes of downtime before you're like, hey, come do this, let's get your homework done, let's do your chores, all of that kind of stuff.
- 11:11Apryl Bradford: And depending on your kid I mean you know your kid better than anyone but depending on the timing and their medication, this might actually be the best time to do homework if it hasn't wore off yet and they haven't hit the meltdown stage yet.
- 11:24Apryl Bradford: But for us this is definitely what works.
- 11:27Apryl Bradford: For us is we just have that 20, 30 minutes.
- 11:32Apryl Bradford: She goes and relaxes and you can also set up like a calm corner, like a beanbag, a plush headphones.
- 11:39Apryl Bradford: Headphones are another really good thing too.
- 11:41Apryl Bradford: Just noise cancel.
- 11:42Apryl Bradford: Noise-canceling headphones, oh yeah, because then it blocks out.
- 11:45Apryl Bradford: Brian says all the time, I'm just going to put my headphones in with nothing even playing.
- 11:52Brian Bradford: Just noise-canceling headphones are magical.
- 11:54Apryl Bradford: Yeah, or, depending on your kid, they may love to just go outside and, just you know, ride their bike, jump on the trampoline, play basketball, walk the dog, whatever it is.
- 12:06Apryl Bradford: That might be their mode of decompressing.
- 12:09Apryl Bradford: So figure that out for your kiddo.
- 12:11Apryl Bradford: And then keep the house quiet and lower the lights.
- 12:18Apryl Bradford: When our daughter comes home from school, I never have any lights on.
- 12:22Apryl Bradford: I mean it's daylight and it's just calm.
- 12:24Apryl Bradford: The curtains are open but it's calm, and make sure you skip the.
- 12:29Apryl Bradford: How was your day?
- 12:30Brian Bradford: Right, the last thing you want to do is come in and start talking, yeah, or working, or hey, really quick.
- 12:35Brian Bradford: Just here's your chore list, real quick.
- 12:37Brian Bradford: Just hurry and get it done and then you can be done for the night.
- 12:38Brian Bradford: Yeah, no.
- 12:40Apryl Bradford: Yeah, remember, just like when you come home from work you don't want.
- 12:44Apryl Bradford: Here's your list of chores.
- 12:45Apryl Bradford: Now get started.
- 12:46Apryl Bradford: You just worked an eight-hour day because kids really are working.
- 12:50Apryl Bradford: Their brains are working crazy hard.
- 12:53Brian Bradford: That literally happened tonight.
- 12:54Brian Bradford: I came home and I was like hey, I'll make dinner, and that lasted one pan.
- 12:59Brian Bradford: And then I was like actually I lied.
- 13:04Apryl Bradford: Yeah, and then I ended up making dinner, even though you know I was good too.
- 13:07Apryl Bradford: So here's your parent script for this part.
- 13:10Apryl Bradford: Remember, the less words the better.
- 13:13Apryl Bradford: So this is your chill time, calm corner, or outside, you choose.
- 13:18Apryl Bradford: And that's it OK.
- 13:21Apryl Bradford: And then step three you want to go into that brain.
- 13:24Brian Bradford: So step three is what we call our gentle structure back online, and this is where, basically, you get a visual checklist to start getting the work that you actually have to get done at night to make your night efficient and your next day efficient.
- 13:39Brian Bradford: So, for example, you have your list of you need to get your backpack ready, you need to get tomorrow's snack ready, you need to get your homework done, and then at the very end of that is where you put your, your free play or your reward for doing this.
- 13:55Brian Bradford: So it's like here's your checklist, click off these three things and then, once those three things are done, that ends with Legos or whatever it is that you're your final reward for this one that ends with Legos or whatever it is that you're your final reward for this one.
- 14:12Apryl Bradford: Yeah, and a good way to do this is to have a transition with a timer and a choice.
- 14:14Apryl Bradford: So you know, like hey, you have five minutes left Our daughter for her decompression time.
- 14:16Apryl Bradford: She plays the iPad and I'm totally fine with that.
- 14:19Apryl Bradford: And so you know and I'll tell her, like hey, you have five minutes left and then we need to do your homework or we need to do your spelling, um, and you can tell that.
- 14:30Apryl Bradford: Tell them, like you have five minutes left, do you want to finish your coloring or do you want to build one last lego step?
- 14:36Apryl Bradford: Like I'll say to her, like hey, you have five minutes, choose your youtube video, finish coloring.
- 14:42Apryl Bradford: She loves to color on.
- 14:44Brian Bradford: Procreate, like, finish coloring, whatever it is you're coloring, and then we're gonna go do your homework right, and that little heads up warning keeps the emotional dysregulation check, because otherwise you have the timer and it's instant rejection.
- 14:58Brian Bradford: It's my good activity just ended and it was a complete surprise, but when it's oh, I got five minutes left.
- 15:04Brian Bradford: Okay, now it's on my mind.
- 15:05Brian Bradford: I'm mentally preparing myself that I'm going to be done playing Legos, I'm going to move on to homework.
- 15:10Apryl Bradford: Yeah, exactly.
- 15:11Apryl Bradford: And one note about homework.
- 15:14Apryl Bradford: Do homework in short bursts of time 10 to 15 minutes, then five minutes movement and then stop if their tank is clearly empty.
- 15:27Brian Bradford: Yeah, staring at the paper is still like mentally fatiguing, even though nothing is actually happening.
- 15:30Brian Bradford: So you're just you're wasting your time at that point.
- 15:32Apryl Bradford: Yeah, and I would say that's refilling your tank yeah, I would say that's for the inattentive type of staring.
- 15:38Apryl Bradford: The others are like yelling and screaming.
- 15:41Apryl Bradford: Yeah well, yeah, all right, let's jump into some troubleshooting, because this sounds great, but we know that things don't always turn out like the hypotheticals right.
- 15:52Apryl Bradford: So if they explode as soon as they walk in, hand them a snack and headphones and just skip talking.
- 16:03Brian Bradford: Yeah, for sure.
- 16:03Brian Bradford: That's the time to decompress.
- 16:05Apryl Bradford: Yeah, and just here you go.
- 16:08Brian Bradford: The only thing that makes an explosion bigger is another explosion.
- 16:11Brian Bradford: So if you're exploding on them, they're exploding right back and it just it's just going to escalate.
- 16:16Brian Bradford: It's fire with gasoline.
- 16:18Apryl Bradford: Yep.
- 16:18Apryl Bradford: So if they always crash at the exact same time each day, Brian, can you take this one?
- 16:24Brian Bradford: Sure.
- 16:24Brian Bradford: So this consistent when you have that explosion or that meltdown right at the same time every day, this can actually be the medications, because they're fairly consistent on how fast they work and how quickly they wear off, and so you basically have like a neurochemical crash where you're assuming it was working and now it's suddenly not, and this big switch can feel uncomfortable and and you're also going from being on medications to being off medication.
- 16:51Brian Bradford: So you get more emotional ability, you get more irritability, you get more hyperactivity or tears short tears, defiance, all these, all these things that uh kind of come off as like super ADHD.
- 17:03Brian Bradford: If you're getting this is likely medical and not behavioral, go talk to a provider because this is things that can be adjusted with medication timing or adding like an extra booster in the afternoon, or switching to a longer acting formulation or even different doses of those formulations.
- 17:22Brian Bradford: These things can all help minimize that medication rebound.
- 17:25Brian Bradford: The important thing if meltdowns happen like clockwork, it's worth a med check.
- 17:29Brian Bradford: You don't have to live with the crash.
- 17:31Apryl Bradford: Such a good reminder.
- 17:32Apryl Bradford: Sometimes it's the brain, sometimes it's the body, sometimes it's the timing.
- 17:35Apryl Bradford: Either way, there are real fixes that you can implement.
- 17:39Apryl Bradford: So if homework is always a battle we touched on this a bit move it later or break it into chunks and talk to the teacher about reducing the workload.
- 17:50Apryl Bradford: And sometimes it might be.
- 17:52Apryl Bradford: Depending on what time your child goes to school and what time they take their medicine and stuff and maybe they're a morning person moving their homework to the morning might be a better situation for you.
- 18:04Apryl Bradford: So just you know, play with that and see how you can get that to work.
- 18:09Brian Bradford: Another tip if they shut down instead of blowing up, this is the time that you can actually sit nearby, offer presence and not pressure, but just be near them.
- 18:19Brian Bradford: This may be that now they're socially depleted and and need your closeness yeah, some kids want that like physical touch.
- 18:28Apryl Bradford: I don't want to be talked to, but I just need a hug or a snuggle to refill that gas tank a bit yeah, the social experience at school is very much like a like a friendship basis, especially in the elementary kids.
- 18:40Brian Bradford: It's very much a friendship basis and there's very little like love or like compassion kind of thing that happens with parents and so you have you have like a different relationship there and now they need a different kind of social atmosphere yeah one of support, understanding and everything's gonna be.
- 19:00Apryl Bradford: Yeah, just give me the hug.
- 19:02Apryl Bradford: And if siblings trigger the meltdown because we all know siblings can annoy each other for everyone, create a 20-minute quiet arrival zone Like okay, here's everyone's snack.
- 19:14Apryl Bradford: Go to your corners or go outside.
- 19:19Brian Bradford: A lot of these tips work with neurotypical kids too.
- 19:22Apryl Bradford: Oh, 100%.
- 19:23Apryl Bradford: That's what I love about tips for kids with ADHD is they actually work for all kids and they're good for all kids, right, yeah?
- 19:31Apryl Bradford: Another thing to remember because this can be hard too, especially if you're the one who just got off work and now you're picking up the kids and they're having an emotional breakdown and you haven't regulated yet is regulate yourself first.
- 19:45Apryl Bradford: So that's where it might be really good to have just the whole family.
- 19:48Apryl Bradford: We walk in the door, we get our snacks and we go to our own corners for 20 minutes and just do our quiet thing.
- 19:54Apryl Bradford: So regulate yourself first.
- 19:57Apryl Bradford: Keep your voice low, like we talked about.
- 20:00Apryl Bradford: Use as few words as possible, nil to their level and then validate and then guide.
- 20:05Apryl Bradford: If your day drained, you snack, then quiet, I've got you.
- 20:10Brian Bradford: Right and the easiest way to make sure that you or that your child's regulated is for you to go and regulate it.
- 20:17Brian Bradford: And this is kind of that fight fire with fire that we talked about.
- 20:19Brian Bradford: I mean, fighting fire with fire creates a bigger fire.
- 20:29Apryl Bradford: So when you go in there hot, your child goes in there hot, it's about to be a big explosion.
- 20:31Apryl Bradford: Yep, but if you can regulate and then let them regulate like they'll.
- 20:33Brian Bradford: They feed off of you yeah, you, you think this is going to be like a fight and one of us is going to win and the other one's going to bow down.
- 20:40Apryl Bradford: But no, no well, it's just like know newborn babies, like they, if the mom is stressed or the parents are stressed, like the baby has a hard time calming down because they feel the emotion, right, it's the same thing as even as our kids get old.
- 20:55Apryl Bradford: Let's recap Number one remember your child isn't giving you a hard time.
- 21:02Apryl Bradford: They're having a hard time, they're exhausted, they're depleted, just like you are after work.
- 21:07Apryl Bradford: And so let's everyone regulate together with our three-step plan.
- 21:13Apryl Bradford: Brian, do you want to recap those three steps?
- 21:16Brian Bradford: Step one the snack water, your drink, whatever and quiet time.
- 21:21Brian Bradford: Step two decompress and reset.
- 21:24Brian Bradford: This is your 20 to 30 minutes before you start the chores homework, stuff, like this.
- 21:28Brian Bradford: And then step three is your gentle structure.
- 21:32Brian Bradford: When you're coming back online, keep the visual checklist, keep a timer so that they know when their fun time's about to end, and then keep your homework in those short bursts 10, 15 minutes.
- 21:42Apryl Bradford: Perfect.
- 21:43Apryl Bradford: We'd love to hear, if you try this, how it works for you, and we're sharing tips and strategies like these all the time on our Instagram account at RaisingADHD underscore org.
- 21:56Apryl Bradford: So come, follow us on Instagram, hang out with us there and try one of these today and let us know how it goes.
- 22:02Apryl Bradford: So if you enjoyed this episode and you got anything from it, we'd love for you to number one subscribe so you don't miss the next one, and please share this with your friends.
- 22:13Apryl Bradford: Like we said in the episode, these tips don't work just for neurodivergent kids, but for our neurotypical kids too.
- 22:19Apryl Bradford: So share the love, my friends, and we will see you here next week.
- 22:24Apryl Bradford: Same time, same place.
- 22:26Brian Bradford: Thanks so much for joining us for today's conversation on raising ADHD.
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