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IAAI Town Meeting: Feeling Second Hand Embarrassment for Dean and Rory (Season 5 E4 “Tippecanoe and Taylor, Too”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in.
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  Speaker 2: Again!
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  Speaker 2: I Am All In, Town Meeting with Suzanne French and
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  Speaker 2: Tara Sood. An iHeartRadio podcast. Hi guys, welcome back to
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  Speaker 2: another episode of I Am All In, Town Meeting with myself,
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  Speaker 2: Tara and Suzanne.
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  Speaker 1: Hello.
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  Speaker 2: Today we're talking about season five, episode four, Tippecanoe and
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  Speaker 2: Taylor 2, which premiered on October 12th, 2004.
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  Speaker 1: Good episode.
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  Speaker 2: I liked half the episode. Okay. Can you guess which
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  Speaker 2: half I had liked and which half I didn't like?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the Dean stuff was kind of weird. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I basically loved the town stuff and hated the
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  Speaker 2: Dean stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That's going to be like a theme through
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  Speaker 1: these episodes, I think.
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  Speaker 2: I know. Spoiler alert. I watched the next one right
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  Speaker 2: after this. And let me tell you, over the weekend,
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  Speaker 2: I actually texted you and Jackie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So there was like this thing that the girl was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is rage bait. And it was on TikTok or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And she's like, my Dean is like, oh, my God. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, and then, by the way, I sent
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  Speaker 2: that to you guys. And then I watched the episodes
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  Speaker 2: last night. And I was like, oh, God. Like, So miserable.
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  Speaker 2: It is. It's all weird, including her showing up to
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  Speaker 2: Dean's parents' house and then going upstairs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The whole thing was just so secondhand embarrassment. It
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  Speaker 1: was just uncomfortable to even be watching.
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  Speaker 2: And Clara is still annoying.
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  Speaker 1: She is still annoying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was, I was surprised to see how fast she
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  Speaker 1: grew up. Like it surprised me that like, has it
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  Speaker 1: really been that long since we saw her?
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  Speaker 2: Her voice is the exact same.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I don't know. And the thing with it,
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  Speaker 2: like how long is Rory going to stay? And then
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  Speaker 2: leaving the door open. It's like, also like you guys
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  Speaker 2: went up to Dean's room. Like, what do you think
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  Speaker 2: is going to happen? You guys are going to sit
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  Speaker 2: there and like play cards.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Exactly. They went up there and shut the door. Like,
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  Speaker 1: of course, his mom is going to be suspicious.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's so weird. Yeah. And then they're in some
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  Speaker 2: like forest with the car.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was like a swamp or something.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, where are you? You just drove like
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  Speaker 2: off the road. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then they just drove out again. So it was
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  Speaker 1: like not like she didn't have to back up or anything.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It was like, are they just on
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  Speaker 1: a road?
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  Speaker 2: But like, are you trying to hook up that bad?
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  Speaker 2: Get a hotel.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's my thought on the road. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was pretty cringy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But then on the flip side, the Taylor and Jackson
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  Speaker 2: stuff was great.
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  Speaker 1: That was good. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Taylor, he's so good.
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  Speaker 1: I love Taylor. Like, I just love to not like
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  Speaker 1: him because he's just, he's so.
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  Speaker 2: Unlikable.
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  Speaker 1: Unlikable, but he's so unlikable that you like him. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, it's like Emily is like
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  Speaker 1: that too. Like, they're just so, they're such terrible people
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  Speaker 1: that it makes them good characters and you enjoy watching them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think for the first time, when he's sitting
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  Speaker 2: by himself in the ice cream, whatever, his shop, and
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  Speaker 2: he's just putting whipped cream down his mouth, you actually
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  Speaker 2: feel really bad for Taylor for the first time. And
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  Speaker 2: then Lorelai's trying to get people to vote for him.
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  Speaker 2: He got 10. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he actually had some humanity in that moment,
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  Speaker 1: which we don't see very often. So yeah, they did
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  Speaker 1: a good job of making us feel sorry for him,
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  Speaker 1: realizing that's Like the town is really all he has
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  Speaker 1: in his life.
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  Speaker 2: I also like how it was very like early on
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  Speaker 2: that Jackson's like, oh crap, I actually can't do this.
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  Speaker 2: Like I don't want to do this. I don't have time.
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  Speaker 2: And then what did Jackson say when he got on stage?
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  Speaker 2: Like he wants like a re-election or no. What was it?
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  Speaker 2: What was the wording?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Taylor talked about a recall.
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  Speaker 2: There we go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, I like how that happened. And
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  Speaker 2: then like Jackson got like fired up, I guess again. Like,
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  Speaker 2: it was like, no, I won.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was funny. I thought Jackson sometimes gets on
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  Speaker 1: my nerves, but I liked him in this episode. Like,
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  Speaker 1: he thought he was right about his situation and darn it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he was going to take it into his
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  Speaker 1: own hands and, you know, make a change. And then
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  Speaker 1: he's like, well, wait a minute. I can't. I can't
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  Speaker 1: really do this. Like, I have all these other commitments.
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  Speaker 1: And so I just, I thought it was good. I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was a good storyline. Like, he kind of
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  Speaker 1: had that.
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  Speaker 2: I also love that Suki wanted to be the first
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  Speaker 2: lady of the town. That pink outfit was really cute.
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  Speaker 1: It was cute. You know, I noticed, I didn't write
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  Speaker 1: down the episode, but there was an episode maybe three
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  Speaker 1: or four episodes ago where Emily had a similar jacket
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  Speaker 1: that was like that with a little fringe around the edge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually do. Now that you say it, I
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  Speaker 2: do remember her wearing it. And I feel like she's
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  Speaker 2: worn other colors of that style before, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looked good.
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  Speaker 2: Pink looks great on her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looked good. And this is the first time
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  Speaker 1: that we heard the band's name. This was the first time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I don't know why they thought that song was
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  Speaker 2: so terrible. Was it just because it wasn't a rock song?
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  Speaker 2: Because I was like, it's actually a fun song.
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  Speaker 1: It is a fun song. And it's it's it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of a cheesy 70s song. And if Anybody doesn't remember.
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  Speaker 1: It's the theme song from a TV show. Yes. That
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  Speaker 1: was called Greatest American Hero.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: My mom and I used to watch that when I
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  Speaker 1: was a kid and it was, you know, one of
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  Speaker 1: one of our favorite shows. And so, yeah, but it's
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  Speaker 1: it's like a peppy, upbeat, fun song.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was just a theme song. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: realize it was like an actual song.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it was the theme song, and then it
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  Speaker 1: was on the, like, I guess they released.
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  Speaker 2: It, like, as a same- Like how Friends, like, wasn't it,
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  Speaker 2: isn't that how the Friends theme song happened?
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  Speaker 1: Right, like, it was the theme song first, and then
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  Speaker 1: it was on the radio because it was so popular
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  Speaker 1: as a theme song.
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  Speaker 2: Got it, okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And Welcome Back, Cotter is another one like that, too. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so we hear the name Hep Alien for the first
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  Speaker 1: time because the last time that we saw them perform
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  Speaker 1: was that house party where Dean and Jess got in
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  Speaker 1: the fight, and- they didn't have a name. And so
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  Speaker 1: Rory just like mumbled something into the microphone. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This is when we.
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  Speaker 1: Finally got to hear the band's name. So that was
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  Speaker 1: a milestone.
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  Speaker 2: I did like their rendition of it though. And then
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  Speaker 2: like Suki made a comment like, Oh, that was an
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  Speaker 2: interesting like version or something.
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  Speaker 1: That was peppy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But she was like, Oh, that's peppy. I thought
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  Speaker 2: it was very funny.
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  Speaker 1: And when she and Lorelai were standing there as they
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  Speaker 1: were playing and she's like, I guess it sounds different live.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so funny. And also, I was so
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  Speaker 2: confused when, oh my God, what's his name? What is
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  Speaker 2: that character's name? Blonde guy.
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  Speaker 1: Gil?
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  Speaker 2: No, other one.
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  Speaker 1: Zach.
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  Speaker 2: Zach, thank you. I can't remember his name for the
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  Speaker 2: life of me. I also was really confused when Zach
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  Speaker 2: just like pulled the two girls up and took her
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  Speaker 2: on stage. Obviously, they were going backstage, which was like,
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was so, I don't know. It was
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  Speaker 2: just like, understand what they were trying to do like
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  Speaker 2: oh like rock band whatever but like maybe just go
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  Speaker 2: meet up with them after yeah and then when they
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  Speaker 2: were in their apartment at the end I was like
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  Speaker 2: this is so weird and obviously we get Lane spilling
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  Speaker 2: her guts yeah You know, I guess just saying.
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  Speaker 1: Zach is just annoying to me in these episodes. Like,
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  Speaker 1: he's just such a brat.
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  Speaker 2: Zach's always annoying to me. I think he's a terrible character.
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  Speaker 1: He's just whining and complaining about everything. And he was
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  Speaker 1: whining in the grocery store. And he's, you know, whining
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  Speaker 1: about Brian watering the lawn. Like, he just has a
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  Speaker 1: complaint about everything.
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  Speaker 2: But that's his entire character.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And then we're supposed to somehow believe that Lane
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  Speaker 1: likes Zach. that and that that's attractive I don't know
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  Speaker 1: I'm just not buying.
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  Speaker 2: It as a relationship I feel like Lane just finds
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  Speaker 2: it convenient she's hanging out with him all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah possibly I mean definitely the writers find it convenient
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  Speaker 1: that's true they're just like recycling this character into something
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  Speaker 1: else because they.
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  Speaker 2: Need we don't have to pay another actor find another
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  Speaker 2: person he's just there so we're gonna give this to
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  Speaker 2: him Yeah, I mean, I was kind of proud of Elaine, though.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie. At least she just admitted it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I mean, she's clearly been doing some introspection
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  Speaker 1: about this whole thing. And she even said to Rory,
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  Speaker 1: and now I'm wondering if it was this episode or
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  Speaker 1: the next one, where, oh, I think it's actually in
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  Speaker 1: the next episode. But she's on the phone with Rory,
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  Speaker 1: and she admits that that's part of the attraction is his,
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  Speaker 1: you know, gruntiness and his caveman behavior. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that hot.
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  Speaker 1: No, not really. I mean, I guess if you're 19
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  Speaker 1: and you don't know any better, maybe, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, also Rory should be not be giving advice.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not ask for romantic advice from Rory.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have any call outs this episode, but I
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  Speaker 2: did want to say the decoration for the election was amazing.
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  Speaker 2: the details in Luke's diner to like the polls to
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  Speaker 2: the actual part. like it was just so well done.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it was. And they all had like those straw hats.
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  Speaker 1: Like it just was like small town.
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  Speaker 2: Very Yankee doodle.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. That's a good way to put it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was fun. I enjoyed it. I did
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  Speaker 1: have a couple things. So there was, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if this was intentional or not, but there was a
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  Speaker 1: callback to season four, episode four, which was chicken or beef.
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  Speaker 1: And there was a town meeting when Lorelai and Suki
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  Speaker 1: were presenting. That was the one where he made them
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  Speaker 1: like go through the historical review and he wanted them
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  Speaker 1: to replace the porch with plastic and all that. And
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  Speaker 1: they went to the town meeting and they were talking
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  Speaker 1: about their plans for the dragonfly and, And Taylor said,
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  Speaker 1: he asked Lorelai how many parking spaces and she said 18.
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  Speaker 1: And he said that that wasn't going to be enough
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  Speaker 1: because he was anticipating 20 cars because two people times
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  Speaker 1: 10 rooms. And she said the parking would be fine. Well,
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  Speaker 1: now here we are a whole season later and she's
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  Speaker 1: trying to get Taylor to sign off on two more
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  Speaker 1: parking places. So he was right. Back in season four.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that storyline, but I definitely didn't catch the callback.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if it was intentional or not,
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  Speaker 1: but I just thought it was funny that he called
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  Speaker 1: out that 18 parking spaces was not going to be enough.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that was intentional then.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it probably was.
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  Speaker 2: Someone remembered that storyline in a town meeting and was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: let's add it in.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing that I thought was interesting, so I actually
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  Speaker 1: noticed this before, and I meant to call it out
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  Speaker 1: in the last episode, but I accidentally deleted my notes,
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  Speaker 1: and then I couldn't remember what I had. So Dean's parents' house.
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  Speaker 1: So season five, episode two, so two episodes ago, she
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  Speaker 1: drives up to the house, and the Dean came out
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  Speaker 1: and they were talking on the front porch. And then
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  Speaker 1: in this episode, or not this episode, but the last episode,
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  Speaker 1: the front doors were completely different between episode two and
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  Speaker 1: episode three. So like a week goes by and it
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  Speaker 1: completely replaced the front doors.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it looked different because I was like, where
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  Speaker 2: is she going? Like, I didn't know where it was,
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  Speaker 2: but I didn't know what the difference was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I went back and looked and initially there
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  Speaker 1: were like these rounded doors and they were like kind
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  Speaker 1: of green and this off white color. And then in
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  Speaker 1: season three or episode three, they were like square with
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  Speaker 1: like a transom window and side lights. And it looked
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  Speaker 1: like they updated and it looked a lot nicer. So
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  Speaker 1: I just thought it was just a week later. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The front doors have been completely.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe the house wasn't available. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, maybe. Maybe it was just a different location.
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  Speaker 2: They just thought no one would know. They thought no
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  Speaker 2: one 30 years after would be. 20 years?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. They weren't anticipating that we'd be streaming
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  Speaker 1: it on giant television screens.
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  Speaker 2: That are so clear.
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  Speaker 1: Right, exactly. Where we could see, you know, every freckle
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  Speaker 1: on their face. And then the only other thing I had,
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  Speaker 1: and I think I had pointed this out previously, is
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  Speaker 1: the Dean's mom's name was... When Rory said hi to her,
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  Speaker 1: she called her May, but that wasn't her name. When
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  Speaker 1: did we talk? Oh, oh, it was in the, it
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  Speaker 1: was in the episode where there was like a newspaper
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  Speaker 1: announcement about Dean and Lindsay getting married and they said
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  Speaker 1: his parents' names and it was a different name.
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  Speaker 2: What was the name? Do you know?
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was. I meant to go
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  Speaker 1: back and look it up, but I can't remember what
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  Speaker 1: it was. It wasn't related to, like, it wasn't like
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  Speaker 1: a nickname kind of thing. Like it was a completely
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  Speaker 1: different name.
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  Speaker 2: Totally different name. Again, they didn't know we'd be streaming
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  Speaker 2: it this many years later. Exactly. Picking them apart. These
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  Speaker 2: poor writers. I know.
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  Speaker 1: I know. They could not have seen us coming.
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  Speaker 2: Like, who are these two schmucks telling us what to do? But, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: all in all, it was a fine episode. I mean, again,
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  Speaker 2: I don't really care for the Dean and Rory storyline,
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  Speaker 2: but the town stuff was very fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. The election stuff was fun. It was fun
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  Speaker 1: to see, like, the whole town. Well, not the whole
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  Speaker 1: town because I did the math and they only had, like,
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  Speaker 1: a 10% voter turnout. But, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He had like 1,000. Jackson had like 1,300 votes, and
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  Speaker 2: then Jackson had 10.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote it down. 1,114 for Jackson and 10
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  Speaker 1: for Taylor. But the Stars Hollow sign says the population
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  Speaker 1: is like 9,900 people. There's no way, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: I do not believe there are 9,900 people in that town. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of them must stay home a
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  Speaker 1: lot because we just see the same.
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  Speaker 2: 100 people over and over again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That is so funny.
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  Speaker 1: But still fun, fun small town stuff. It was good.
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  Speaker 1: I liked it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right. Well, next episode we're going to be
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  Speaker 2: watching is Season 5, Episode 5, We Got Us a
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  Speaker 2: Pippi Virgin. Oh, yeah. We'll see you then.
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  Speaker 1: Meeting adjourned. Oh, yeah.
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