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CIA Influence On The Media · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show with your hosts, Adam Todd
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  Speaker 1: Brown and Connor ms Pattern. Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: the Show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Adam Todd Brown. I'm here too, Connor. I was
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  Speaker 2: thinking about the Conspiracy The Show like that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I like to say it like a game show, like
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  Speaker 1: we're all gonna win something if the CIA taps our
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  Speaker 1: phones by the end of this.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what you win. A vague sense of malaise at
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  Speaker 2: the world around you, that's behind every single curtain. And
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  Speaker 2: we have a lady that points at it and it's
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  Speaker 2: just nothing and she's like, exactly, Yeah, that's what's gonna.
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  Speaker 1: Say a CIA field agent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And we have guests today. How much fun is that?
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  Speaker 2: Who are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm Laura Crawford.
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  Speaker 1: What you've got on these podcasts before? Uh huh, not
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  Speaker 1: this one in particular, but you're also on next week's.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I am on next week and I looking
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  Speaker 3: at my emails foun an email. Twenty fourteen is the
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  Speaker 3: first time we did a show to get put podcasts together.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know it's been a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Four years.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what's that the Wood anniversary.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's when anime puts me in my misery,
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  Speaker 3: beats me with.
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  Speaker 2: A I was actually just gonna I would say it's
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  Speaker 2: something more in the way of like a Filipino barrel man.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that would be a good Have you ever
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  Speaker 2: seen those? It's a traditional Filipino gift where they have
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  Speaker 2: a little man, there's a barrel inside it and you
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  Speaker 2: give it to someone. You lift up the barrel and
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  Speaker 2: he has a spring loaded dick out.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Buddy c J.
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  Speaker 2: Gave me one from the Philippines in eighth grade, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, in the in passing period, I'm just like,
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  Speaker 2: what the book, you know, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Real mature, the Philippines, real mature.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah with you, that is the most heinous thing happening
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  Speaker 1: in the philip.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I do. Look, I respect the Philippines because
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  Speaker 2: they have the closest thing to an anime government because
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  Speaker 2: Mini Pakia is a senator. So if pugilism qualifies you
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  Speaker 2: for public service, that's pretty much dragon Ball in my mind,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's probably a more equitable political system
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  Speaker 2: than you know, what we have in most.
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  Speaker 1: I watched off dragon Ball to get those references. Leanne Tucker,
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  Speaker 1: how are you doing you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, there's fighting. I tried to pick the most basic,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hot top Expenser's gifts. You know the fuck
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about the movie coming out in November, and
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  Speaker 2: I have a lot of thoughts. Listeners have been asking,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm sorry Leanne's asking, let's not.
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  Speaker 3: Lie about that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's stretching, Leanne.
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  Speaker 1: This is your first time on any un pops podcast.
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  Speaker 1: How excited must you be? Right now?
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  Speaker 5: Early?
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  Speaker 4: That's how excited you were.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was in the past two days. Everyone has
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  Speaker 1: been either right on time or kind of early, and
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  Speaker 1: it's so refreshed.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is the first podcast Adam and I
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  Speaker 2: have not rescheduled. Yeah, we scheduled just about about eighty
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  Speaker 2: percent of the podcast. Yeah together.
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  Speaker 1: Even now that we're recording on the same day every day,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes I'll message Connor in the morning and be like,
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  Speaker 1: how about noon instead?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Oh, I had a lot of high dog
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  Speaker 2: time last night and threw off the old fucking Circadian rhythm.
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  Speaker 1: So we're talking this week, like we do almost every week,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about the CIA. It seems like they come
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  Speaker 1: up weirdly enough. They come up on this conspiracy podcast
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  Speaker 1: pretty regularly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how that that fucking shook out,
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  Speaker 2: but it did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, really weird. And we're talking this week specifically about
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  Speaker 1: the CIA influence in both the media and the entertainment industry,
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  Speaker 1: which we've talked about that a lot as it pertains
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  Speaker 1: to music. There is a book that I recommend on
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  Speaker 1: almost every episode called Drugs as Weapons against Us, and
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  Speaker 1: it's all about how the CIA sells drugs and uses
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  Speaker 1: the music into street to push those drugs, and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: they have to kill musicians who don't fall in line
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  Speaker 1: with their plans.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why. That's why the Green Day cigarettes and
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  Speaker 2: Valentine's fucking Masters were stolen. It's because that's when Billy
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  Speaker 2: Joe got really into socialism, right, and they thought they
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  Speaker 2: were going to radicalize an entire generation of mal rats
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  Speaker 2: to fucking start marching in the streets. And they're like, no,
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  Speaker 2: thank you. You're gonna make a pretty watered down neoliberal
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  Speaker 2: rock opera and then you're gonna like it if you
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  Speaker 2: like having kids that are alive. You know, a guy
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  Speaker 2: with a black fan and a briefcase showed up and
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  Speaker 2: was like, you got some decisions to make here, Mike Dirnant,
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  Speaker 2: all right, and I'm gonna speak slowly because I'm pretty
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  Speaker 2: sure you're the dumb one.
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  Speaker 1: So one of the things we're basing this episode on
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  Speaker 1: today is a crazy article I found that was written
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  Speaker 1: by Carl Bernstein, who is one of the Watergate reporters.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, we have a sub conspiracy. I
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  Speaker 2: thought it was Barren Stain. We got it. This is
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  Speaker 2: I remember with my fucking own idamn eyes. And then
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  Speaker 2: when one night some guy and.
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  Speaker 1: Written I clearly recall me and Connor watching Watergate coverage
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  Speaker 1: as it was happening, and it said Carl.
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  Speaker 2: I was sitting on Adam's lap as when we researched
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  Speaker 2: these shows exactly. He was bouncing me up and down.
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  Speaker 1: It was nineteen seventy three.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, m hmm.
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  Speaker 1: We work on these for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: We had a lot of really heavy glassware that we
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  Speaker 2: used for making roasts. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been a lifelong pursuit.
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  Speaker 3: Was Carl Bernstein, the one who was married to heart
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  Speaker 3: another movie Heartburn with the no No Meryl Streep and
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  Speaker 3: Jack Nicholson. It's the woman who wrote all the romantic comedies.
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  Speaker 1: I'll look this up going, hey, yeah, no, I have
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  Speaker 1: no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me that Carl Bernstein
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  Speaker 1: was married to someone at one point.
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  Speaker 3: No, it was a screenwriter.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who doesn't love a good journalist.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and this article, like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the stuff he's written is like really famous and we
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  Speaker 1: know all about it. But this probably because the CIA
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  Speaker 1: does control the media, just didn't get that much attention,
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  Speaker 1: which is crazy because it's a twenty five thousand word
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  Speaker 1: article about CIA influence in the media. You are really,
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  Speaker 1: you are real. You just handed me the Heartburn film.
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  Speaker 1: Wikipedia page's about Carl Bernstein. Sorry, it's Carl Bernstein's marriage
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  Speaker 1: to Nora Efron. He was married to Nora Efron and
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  Speaker 1: she wrote it, wrote a screenplay in a movie about
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  Speaker 1: being married him. And it makes him look like a
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  Speaker 1: real piece of shit when.
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  Speaker 2: He's married to the lady that helps people if they
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  Speaker 2: have allergies.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, famous, you know, famous, Julia and Julia you
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  Speaker 3: know love loss just married.
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  Speaker 2: To a big ass molecule and Laura, I love my
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  Speaker 2: molecule wife.
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  Speaker 1: Laura and Leanne both you both asked to be on
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  Speaker 1: this episode. I sent out an email at the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of the month and said, here's the topics we're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: so preferably want at a time, not not both at
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  Speaker 1: the same time. Tell me why you wanted to be
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  Speaker 1: on this episode, Laura, go first.
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  Speaker 3: I love conspiracies and the CIA in particular, and I've
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  Speaker 3: been doing some researching going to do an episode for
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  Speaker 3: Profiles about nineteen eighty five, the Year of the Spy,
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  Speaker 3: and when you get into a lot of spy stuff,
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  Speaker 3: it's about h top agents that were revealed to be
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  Speaker 3: spies in the for the for the US, for the Communists,
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  Speaker 3: and doing a lot of research into Russia and basically
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  Speaker 3: the Cold War, the Soviet's spying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting to me with those fuck is it spied? Harder?
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  Speaker 1: Leanne?
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  Speaker 2: What about you?
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  Speaker 4: I am very interested in conspiracy stuff. My dad, Like,
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  Speaker 4: I grew up with my dad being like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Kennedy assassination and then you know, nine to eleven and
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  Speaker 4: all that, and I was like deep diving on the
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  Speaker 4: Internet and getting weird and so usually I don't have
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  Speaker 4: people to discuss these things with without them being like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: land smock another, you know what I mean. So I
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  Speaker 4: was like, what, like they want to talk about it,
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  Speaker 4: not like I have, you know, a shit ton of
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  Speaker 4: facts or anything. But I like to entertain the ideas.
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  Speaker 1: If you ever have a conspiracy on your mind, you
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  Speaker 1: can definitely message me. I will entertain those conversations.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh ye, Actually Adam tears for the Conspiracy Guy hotline. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Lonely truckers are like, I'm pretty sure I cracked the
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  Speaker 2: whole Tower seventh things, but nobody on CB wants to
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  Speaker 2: listen to me. They're just concerned with which dairy queen
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  Speaker 2: has the shortest line. I just need somebody to get
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  Speaker 2: the truth out to. And Adam's like, hey, what what, well,
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  Speaker 2: calm down?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, if you feel like, if you feel like
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  Speaker 1: someone's watching you, call me and I'll confirm that they already.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I also can send you like music videos
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  Speaker 3: of nine to eleven truthers and stuff like that that
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  Speaker 3: I have. There's a million reasons why I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't believe there are nine to eleven truth or music videos. Really.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, that's an upcoming episode for us.
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  Speaker 2: Not since I discovered Blink fourteen eighty eight, the Blink
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  Speaker 2: one eighty two white power parody group where they just
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  Speaker 2: superimposed like Benjamin Netan Yahoo onto like the fucking Blink
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  Speaker 2: one eighty two guys and change all the words to
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  Speaker 2: be about Jews. Have I been so excited to watch
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  Speaker 2: something Hebrews? No, yeah, I missed you. He I know,
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  Speaker 2: I miss you? Was called the Jew, which is that
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  Speaker 2: nice juju? Yeah, it's not. It's pretty, it's not great.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the opening article from that paragraph. And
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  Speaker 1: what he's writing about is a thing called Operation Mockingbird,
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  Speaker 1: which we'll get into more in a minute.
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  Speaker 2: The plot to get Eminem addicted to drugs because Nopes,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to stop derailing.
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  Speaker 1: To say, no, that's I've done this podcast before works.
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  Speaker 4: He knows who you are.
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  Speaker 1: This is the opening paragraph from that article. In nineteen
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  Speaker 1: fifty three, Josephilesop, then one of America's leading syndicated columnists,
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  Speaker 1: went to the Philippines to cover an election. He did
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  Speaker 1: not go because he was asked to do so by
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  Speaker 1: his syndicate. He did not go because he was asked
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  Speaker 1: to do so by the newspapers that printed his column.
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  Speaker 1: He went at the request of the CIA. Hell, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's the kind of shit I like to read and
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  Speaker 1: send an owl.
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  Speaker 2: How do they contact you?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 2: What's the CIA's move?
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  Speaker 4: I don't invite you on a podcast and then you
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  Speaker 4: have a little conversations.
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  Speaker 2: So I feel like if the CIA reached out to
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  Speaker 2: me in there are like, okay, we need you to
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  Speaker 2: get ran as easy back on mean boys for some questioning.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there you'll be rewarded hand. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 2: would not believe that it wasn't just somebody fucking with me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't. I don't know how legit you.
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  Speaker 2: I have to like see a helicopter or something. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They could even show me like CIA credentials and I'd
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  Speaker 1: be like, yeah, that's probably what those things.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah, I don't have a goddamn scan them
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  Speaker 2: a jig. You know. It's like take me in a
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  Speaker 2: helicopter and then we'll talk.
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  Speaker 3: You talk about like recruiting agents. And this from looking
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  Speaker 3: at the stuff I've looked into about spies, the way
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  Speaker 3: they do it, the way that appeal to people both
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  Speaker 3: in the Soviets in the US is they usually have
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  Speaker 3: somebody that you know in common. So like if they
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  Speaker 3: were trying to get you Connor, they would they they
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  Speaker 3: would already know somebody that you knew. Okay, they would
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  Speaker 3: already know somebody that you knew who was kind of
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  Speaker 3: higher up who you trusted.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I don't have friends.
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  Speaker 3: And yes, and so they would say hi, and they
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  Speaker 3: would say, hey, your friend would probably go to you
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  Speaker 3: and say I have a friend who works at this agency.
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  Speaker 3: It's very hot shots, it's really important. Would you want
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  Speaker 3: to come talk them? And would all seem very casual
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  Speaker 3: and very sort of business and normal like. And when
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  Speaker 3: they were making the pitch to you, they wouldn't say,
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  Speaker 3: go do this and do this and we'll give you
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  Speaker 3: lots of money. They would say like, have you ever
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  Speaker 3: thought about like helping out your country?
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  Speaker 2: Want to help you know you? Have you ever considered
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  Speaker 2: some modeling?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 3: No, they wouldn't say like that. They would wow, you're
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  Speaker 3: really good looking. They would say, yeah, you look really
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  Speaker 3: good on camera, like you have really good angles. You
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  Speaker 3: really like really comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: You need to ride? And I'd be like I kind
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  Speaker 2: of do need a ride?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean c I A would be like, like,
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  Speaker 3: do do you ever think about like helping out your country?
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to walk with my STD And the
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  Speaker 1: thing is that's how it probably works now.
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  Speaker 3: No, that's how it's always worked. With The Soviets used
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  Speaker 3: to say do you want to help world peace? Do
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  Speaker 3: you want to advance?
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  Speaker 2: We know.
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  Speaker 1: But what the difference is what happened with Operation mocking Bird.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't just casually go to people and say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you want to help. They like signed work contracts.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, they did afterwards, but making an initial. But
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  Speaker 3: making an initial I.
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  Speaker 2: Gotta be an never contractor for Postmates and the CIA.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there is never a heart because it
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  Speaker 3: has to seem very normal to you, like you're part
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  Speaker 3: of the operation.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what I was ninety nine for infiltrating iss.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, most of the people don't even do it for money.
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  Speaker 3: Most people who work for the CIA or work for
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  Speaker 3: the Soviets all attemps. They're not money motivated. It's rights
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  Speaker 3: the ego. It's usually an ego thing that you feel
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  Speaker 3: like you're ye tribute, I'm so important.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they came and talked.
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  Speaker 1: To me, and so in this article, Bernstein claimed Allsop
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  Speaker 1: was one of more than four hundred American journalists who'd
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  Speaker 1: secretly carried out assignments for the CIA over the past
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  Speaker 1: twenty five years. At that point, so we're talking from
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  Speaker 1: the fifties through the seventies, and some of the executives
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  Speaker 1: who lent their cooperation to the CIA. William Paley at CBS,
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  Speaker 1: Henry Loose at Time Incorporated, Arthur Hayes Solsberger at The
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  Speaker 1: New York Times, Barry Bingham, Senior at Louisville Courier Journal.
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  Speaker 2: Best banjo player in Kentucky and Out, James Copley of
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  Speaker 2: the Copley News Service, and some companies who did the same.
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  Speaker 1: American broadcasting company Associated Press, United Press International, Reuter's Hearst newspaper,
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  Speaker 1: Scripts Howard, the company that bought Cracked months after I
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  Speaker 1: wrote one of the first articles comparing Trump to Hitler.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe that's maybe I got cracked shut down by
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  Speaker 1: the CIA for getting too close to the truth about
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, which I'm fine with.
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  Speaker 4: I'm nervous to leave here now this whole oh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, until the MIC's turn off and he starts,
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  Speaker 2: you can drinking and telling sugar night stories. So that's
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  Speaker 2: when you really well yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Scripts also owns Discovery Networks, Food Networks, HGTV.
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  Speaker 1: All of I'm sure they've ended their association with the
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  Speaker 1: CIA by now.
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  Speaker 2: They could shut down Diners Club and caused thousands of
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  Speaker 2: damages to the United States economy.
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  Speaker 1: And also Newsweek and the Miami Herald, and he claimed
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  Speaker 1: that CIA involvement with the media was way more extensive
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  Speaker 1: than anyone had ever public we claimed. And this article,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't include a lot of names, but it includes
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  Speaker 1: examples of things the CIA did in relation to the media,
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  Speaker 1: and it all seems really believable. It's not like, for
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  Speaker 1: one thing, Bernstein is a valid source. Yeah, yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: does his research when he writes about something. And just
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  Speaker 1: like all of the mk ultra shit, this is mostly
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  Speaker 1: based off CIA documents that were declassified and that we found,
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  Speaker 1: like through the Church Committee and shit like that.
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  Speaker 2: So you we need the ginf some interest over here,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so we can. We've got to do a
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  Speaker 2: little misdirection. So go put on a thong in the
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  Speaker 2: to show off the box that the guy's going to
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  Speaker 2: get cut in half in and which is in this
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  Speaker 2: case the Philippines, you know. And then while while you're
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  Speaker 2: doing that, I'm gonna bottomize children.
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  Speaker 1: That was a complex analogy right there.
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  Speaker 3: With that an analogy, I thought it was a vivid
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  Speaker 3: description of like a David Lynch movie.
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  Speaker 2: It's a dream I had.
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  Speaker 1: So basically, what this article also alleges is that the
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  Speaker 1: relationship with the media allowed the CIA to post some
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  Speaker 1: of its most valuable operatives abroad without exposure for more
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  Speaker 1: than two decades. In most instances, officials at the highest
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  Speaker 1: levels of the CIA, usually director or deputy director, dealt
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  Speaker 1: personally with a single designated individual in the top management
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  Speaker 1: of the cooperating news organization. And that's the thing I've
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  Speaker 1: been saying probably happens for a long time. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: get a point, man, Yeah, because there are a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stories. If you especially if you read overseas news sources,
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  Speaker 1: you'll find a lot of really huge stories that should
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  Speaker 1: be huge in the United States and they're just not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And like one, it's easy to chalk it up
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: to like I don't know, like cultural narcissism, where we
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: think that, yeah, American culture is global culture, which is
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: true to an extent, you know, because of our you know,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: thumbs that having been on the scale of everything for
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: you know, one hundred years or so. But it's also like, well, yeah,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: they're also fucking with it, you know. That doesn't mean
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: they're not also fucking with it. Yeah.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: I think a good example right now is Reuters did
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: an investigation of water sources in the United States and
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: found something like three thousand more communities that have the
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: same water problems Flint has, and that's not getting a
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: lot of coverage in the US media, and it seems.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Like it should. But it also Flint, well, yeah.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: They made a movie where people lit their water on
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: fire out of the tap and that was the most stunning.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: It's called David Blaine Stream. Yeah, it was an amazing
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: film where a shocking expose you gotta watch. Not the
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: fucking David Blaine special is the most recent one where
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: he swallows a fish in front of Woody Allen and
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: then barfs it into his bathtub.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: It's floored.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: The Yeah, that's some steaming.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: It's the bit, well could you do it? Then it's
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: a trick.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: This man trained his body to puke goldfish and we
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: have no respect for that. I do.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: People did that in the thirties and shell Ti'm swalling goldfish,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, but there's no.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was back before we knew science. This man
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: is just like, yeah, this is definitely bad for me,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: but it's gonna thought.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: He was gonna freeze himself. But I just say that.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: It just seems as though it's.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Like David Blaine and Encino Man, but Polly Shore most befriend.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: But the thing about the Reuters article that does strike
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: me as something where if a major news outlet wanted
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: to report it, some government type might step in and go, no,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: you can't do that, because that's that's almost like alien
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: invasion ship. Like it's one thing to think Flint has
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: shitty water, but if we all all of a sudden
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: start thinking we have the same problems with our water,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: it would be fucking chaos across the country.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, and I also could see them being like,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: all right, look, you can't cover this. We're not gonna
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: give you the end word tape. We will give you
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: an R word. All right, you can have fun with
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: that for a week. We'll say it's fake, you'll say
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: it's real. We'll go around in circle. It's gonna be
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: wall to wall coverage, all right, you get it. It'll
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: be great.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: So just those football But the thing in this case
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: is like these journalists, it make it sound very nefarious,
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: but this is the same way that journalists collaborate with
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: the police all the time to get information about cases.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: And doesn't that doesn't that kind of you know, make
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: them very biased towards them.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Well, that's not the police withholding information from the American public.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Oh No, I'm just saying we were talking about, like
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: why do journalists kind of get in this or choose
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: to cooperate with these people. It's just because that's that's
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: what they do.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: They I don't think it's power just because of that
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: at least, I mean maybe on the journalist side. But
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not arguing that the journalists are the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: shady ones here, No, Like it's the CIA in most cases,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: of course. And the thing is that it's not like
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I get why this happens, and I get why people
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: would participate in it, but it does also lead to
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: some problems and things that we should know about that
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: are covered up, and like especially with the mk Ultra thing,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: like we got enough information at first to where the
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: CIA had to be like, yeah, happened, but it didn't
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: happen on as wide of a scale as people thought.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And then finally these other twenty thousand documents came out
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and they were like, all right, it was pretty pretty wide.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they keep someone They kept a man high on
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: acid for like seventy days conceptively, Yeah, a guy threw
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: himself out of a window because he was they tortured
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: on acid.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: They threw him out of that way. Yeah no, really
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: you think so the worm? Are you talking about the worm?
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: What case? Have you watched the documentary?
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: I watched the cocumentary.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I very clearly murdered him because he was going to
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: expose the fact that we use chemical weapons.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: If you look at the Comedians records, it's pretty cut
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: and dry on the scene.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm just saying if I totally even without that,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I understand if you were kept on acid in like
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: a bunker for seventy days, Yeah, you would want to
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: kill yourself too. They both people are horrible outcomes.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Or you would make causing Moto album is.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And so this the Operation Mockingbird thing was first exposed
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: in a nineteen sixty seven Ramparts magazine article that revealed
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: that the National Student Association received funding from the CIA.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: And that's the other part.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: So, but what does that look like? I was reading that.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Like the new baseball uniforms or yea, no, no.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: No, Like, what is it that the National Student Association
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: is doing? They're just putting out stuff about how.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty seven, I imagined they were probably going, no,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: this war is fine, protests.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Or stay in your dorm rooms, don't riot.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Okay, just sort of towing it, go to class.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Business as usual.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: And it's for the CIA, an organization that's supposed to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: operate on foreign soil. Only the fact that they would
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: be giving money to a US based student association is
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that alone is suspect because they're not supposed to do that. No,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: they're not supposed to operate here.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: But can I play devil's advocate and defend the CIA
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: in a lot of it?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: There's nothing I love more than a devil's advocate. Go
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Okay. Here's the thing. At this time and in the
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: fifties and forties and stuff, the US is competing with
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: the Soviets, right, The Soviets have a ttalitarian government with
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: no real immigration allowed into the country. The government controls journalism,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: controls all the education, controls the military and everything like.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: So we're trying to compete with them. And they've had
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: a spy network since the days of the Czar that's
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: extremely complex, and so they were way ahead of us
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: on information and spying, way ahead on information gathering, all
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: forms of way ahead on propaganda and a doctrination of
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: students in the military and all forms of life. So
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: we're basically trying to play catch up. So the Soviets
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: were most likely going to target student groups and journalists
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: as people they wanted to infiltrate to turn to agents
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: for them. So it's almost like the CAAA had to
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: get in there early to get these people on their side.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: So that because journalists and people in the media and
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: students are all very susceptible to arguments for socialism and
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: for communism, all of this is like twenty percent anything
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: the Soviets did at the same time, so everyone felt
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: justified in doing it. It's not right, but it's okay,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: it's Whitney Houston would say.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So after all of this came out, after the Church Committee,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: which exposed MK Ultra and this to some extent, the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: CIA was like, all right, we're not going to do
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: that anymore. We were, We're not. You can trust us,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: trust us, We've stopped all of this.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: That was when we found weed in the CIA's room
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: and they're like, you know what, I was having a
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: face friend. I did try some myself.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: And the thing is it they didn't actually they didn't
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: even say they were going to stop. All they said was, well,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: we're not going to enter into work contracts or like
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: freelance contracts with journalists.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: We don't keep records anymore. We'll do it all exactly.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: If you have such a problem with us doing this,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: we just will tell you that.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: My favorite detail of also reading this was how like
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: basically journalism has fallen apart and now everyone's freelance and
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: a stinger, and like almost no one is a desk
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: journalist or has a title or rule like that, so
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: it almost works better for them where they're like, yeah,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: everyone's freelance. They imo has been oh shit, everyone's freelance
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: killer I love it.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fucking just nothing but marks.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I know. They just turned Postmates to the drivers into age.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Tell us where you drive to, tell us where you delivered.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: To connor have you been approached by the CIA?
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: No?
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I also haven't done post Mates in a long time.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Neither.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: So my question about this is this a bad thing?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Like do we want the CIA out there doing this?
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Uh? No, No, we don't.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I think as it pertains like I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: don't mind the CIA fucking with overseas news publications and
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: trying to infiltrate that shit.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: But he liked their job.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But here, I don't like it that much because
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: that was the whole point of this program. It wasn't
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: just to influence media overseas, which is where the communist
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: organization was operating. They were trying to influence public sentiment
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: in Europe. So the CIA was like, oh, well, let's
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: do that here and we'll just try and confuse people
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: in the United States. And I don't like that. I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: don't think that's a good thing.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Especially when they act like it's all of you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: the other countries that do the propaganda and it's only
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: here in America where you get the you.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Know, right, Well, so yeah, if you're a truth like
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: it's like you're talking about the water, like talk about
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: like you know, think of but it's sources of information.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: If there's fucking lead in all of them to some degree,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: it's like, what you know, that's like, that's a definition
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: of propaganda bring up all the time of the show,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: which is, you know, to exhaust critical thinking and annihilate
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the truth. And it's like that's kind of what this is.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: It's to a point it's like, well maybe I don't
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: know either. Fucking why are we talking about that? You know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: It's like, is this the guy that picks the top
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Twitter moment that pops up when you look on your phone?
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Is he getting the phone call? And it's like, hey, look,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I know he just signed the NAFTA thing, but just
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know Beyonce winked, so just make a gift,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: pretended that was a sensation and then just fucking can
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: we bury this a little bit? Like I don't like
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: that at all?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well it's also you're not going to see any
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: journalists ever say like and while I was working on
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: this story, I talked with ci Ah, right, So journalists
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: aren't going to give it up, and the CIA is
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: not going to give it up. So we'll never find
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: out what the true extent is on the reporting or
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: vice versa. We'll never know. The other thing that people
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: should be worried about is how much influence these companies
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: have on the government. The other way going backwards, do
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: we want ABC News and Reuters in time running how
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: our government works or running what they have?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And also this guy was like you found one guy
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, there's like four hundred of them
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and just everyone was like, okay, well yeah, yeah, this
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: was long.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: I don't like it either way, I don't I don't
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: want Yeah, it's definitely mean.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: People aren't even gonna find out the truth about this
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: because of that entire Postmates conversation. They're gonna do, you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: just like twenty five thousand words ten minutes of a
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: story Connor is told three times on the podcast already,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: why do I want to listen to this?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: So the thing is when they when they it all
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: came out and they were like, well, we're not doing
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: this anymore, and they were, but they just sort of
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: like halfway dismissed the idea of still doing it. Then
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: last year, another document surface. You can read it on
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the CIA's own goddamn website in case anyone's wondering how
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: official it is, and it was dated nineteen ninety one.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: So now we're twenty almost thirty years ahead of time
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: and they're still like, yeah, we have contacts in every
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: fucking major media outlet, and this is a CIA document.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: This is a quote from it. The CIA now has
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: relationships with reporters from every major wire service, newspaper, newsweekly,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and television network in the nation. This has helped us
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: turn some intelligence failure stories into intelligence success stories.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Is this from the CIA's community college brochure.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, that's from.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Their Christmas letter from their moms. Like, Jared's doing great,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: He's turning all of our intelligence failure stories intelligence success story.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: He taught me how to use the ROKU.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, we get to my two year degree in
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: truth medaling at CIA Debray and now I'm wearing a
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Polo shirt.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, we get to a point in this where
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner is making CIA recruitment videos. So that's not
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: it's not that far.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Jennifer Garner one who is.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Helping Meepper, She's in the.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Capitol one credit card commercials right now.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: The big I don't have to I don't have.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: In the movie Dared Devils, Electra.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, she's Electra kind of Malcolm x oh really yeah yeah.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: They also said that their efforts have helped them persuade
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: reporters to postpone, change hold, or even scrap stories that
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: could have adversely affected national security interests or jeopardized sources
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and methods.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: But it's very easy to Yeah, I guess it's like
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: it's easy to be like, oh, if you print this,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: then people are gonna know that you know this, this
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: whole thing will be this will shut down our fucking
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: line to whatever the story ourselves. But it's like, yeah,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: you can, like you can cry a wolf on that,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: you know, as much as you want if you have
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: the entire infrastructure of the American government behind you, like
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: such a fucking scary power, because it's like you think, like, yeah,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: if someone was running an expose on the blood Drive,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: they were using the Catchama bin Laden and that fucking
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: blew up the whole spot and he ran away and
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: we had to go find me. And it's like sure, yeah,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, hey, did you not writ that we're
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: trying to kill this dude or whatever? This fuckingar But
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure that happens, like, you know, ten
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: percent of the time and the other ninety it's just
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: like a but then if they find out we were
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: making kids in El Salvador have twenty eight chromosomes as
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: a thing to try to make a super soldier, then
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: that's gonna look bad. So just don't wit. Yeah, you're
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: gonna suck up our shit.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking about this in this case
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: where it's like if you're a journalist and you have
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: a source of information that trusts you because you are
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: a journalist, they're saying like, oh, they're a journalists, they're
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: interested in the truth, but you don't disclose to that source.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Oh and I also give in vote to the CIA
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: and the sciences. Who are you talking to? And you say, well,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: I'm talking to this person, and then the CIA starts
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: investigating them because for whatever reason, and what happens from there, Like,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: these journalists are just basically putting everyone they've ever talked
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: to as a source at risk if they're connected to
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: the CIA. Once they've connected to CIA, it's basically like
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: giving the CIA open season on anyone they've ever talked to.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to watch just a part of
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: this video. I found this while I was out researching
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: this article. I don't know why I said it like that,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Like I fucking hit the streets. Twenty dollars bills across
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the bar.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I pretty did you take your laptop? That's
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: what I thought.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: That was, Like, tell me about Operation Mocking Broke.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Here's five you're immediately I just have an espresso machine.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: You need the Wi Fi code.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Adam's in a in a parking structure, you know, late
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: at night, behind the pillar, and he just hands the
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: guy an envelope. The guy hands it back a jersey
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Mike's bag.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: It's a smoking guy too, and it's just a sub inside.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that's my payment.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: He's like, well no, and you're like really amazing.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: If the pickles are on top, that means that Kennedy
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: was it all happened how they said. And if they're
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: on bottom, I means the Cuban dissidents had something to
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: do with it.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: And in this Ted talk it's investigative journalist Ryl Atkinson
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and she's talking about astroturfing, which is the act of
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: masking the sponsors of a message or organization to make
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: it appear as though it originates from and is supported
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: by grassroots participants. And I thought this clip was really interesting.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: This is basically the end of it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: That'd be like if all the on Pop's Patreon subscribers
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: were fake to make it look like, you know, there's
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: a whole network and it was really just like twelve guys.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be ridicular?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: That would be money laundering.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that'd be cool. Here we go.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: What chance do I have separating fact from fiction, especially
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: if seasoned journalists with years of experience can be so
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: easily fooled. Well, I have a few strategies that I
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: can tell you about to help you recognize signs of
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: propaganda and AstroTurf. Once you start to know what to
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: look for, you'll begin to recognize it everywhere. First hallmarks
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: of AstroTurf include use of inflammatory language such as crank, quack, nutty, lies, paranoid, pseudo,
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: and conspiracy.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: That's the thing we've talked about on this episode before
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: in relation to Alex Jones and how and my personal
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: theory that Alex Jones was actually recruited by the government
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: in the early nineties to be that guy who can
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: discredit everyone else who might actually.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Wry saying something so crazy. He'll say some truth shit
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: and then they'll be like and lizards, and then you're like,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: oh that guy. Everything he says is crap.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And if something shows up on info Wars, you're
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: automatically like, oh, yeah, well that's bullshit.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: They did like a they did like a thing. I
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: don't remember when, but they did like a some sort
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: of study about how to discredit people with the word conspiracy,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: and like right after nine to eleven, immediately you know,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Bush is saying like, we will not accept conspiracy theories.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: It's like the minute they throw that word in there. Yeah,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: then and so everything's you're immediately just.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: That's really likely to do with wiki leaks, were they're like, Okay,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: we got some real shit, we got some fake shit,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: and good look figuring it out. It's in two weeks,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and here's the.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: Rest of Astroturfers often claim to debunk myths that aren't
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: myths at all. Use of the charge language tests. Well,
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: people hear something's a myth, maybe they find it on
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: Snopes and they instantly declare themselves too smart to fall
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: for it. But what if the whole notion of the
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: myth is itself a myth and you and Snopes fell
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: for that.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: See people chuckled at that, But I think Snopes does
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: fall for that. I think Snopes does sometimes.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Just I've always wondered who's behind Snopes. I don't even know.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the problem with yeah John J. Snopes, come
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: on the thing, his name is my name too. The
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: thing about debunking conspiracy theories. Whenever someone has a conspiracy
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: theory that they want to share with the world, we're
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: always like, well, what's the source? Is it a credible source?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: But the minute someone debunks it, it could be Johnjsnopes
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: dot blogspot dot org debunking it and will be like,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: see it's debunked, like that, this person obviously debunked it,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: and it's like that source debunking.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Well, that's because the way I think we look at
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: science and information, which is where like you know, you
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: have to kind of like process of elimination stuff. It's
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: funny that you mentioned this because this is like a
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: book that I read. This is very close to this,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: not on that topic, but on topic of medicine, which
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: is there's a book called White Coat, Black Hat Adventures
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: from the Dark Side of Medicine, and it's how stories
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: get on the news about like oh is why is Martin?
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Why is November prostate Month? And basically conspiracies of how
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: they make public health stories in the news right and
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: where do those come from? And what is the interest
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: of the PubL what is the public's interest in health?
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: And all of these groups that are government, that are
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: private industry that are medical industry, and how do they
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: make us aware and basically put out propaganda about medicine
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: and health and everything diseasees and what to be aware
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: of and what to buy.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: And that's one of the missies.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: She actually talks about that in this I mean the
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: videos ten and a half minutes, so we don't listen
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: to it all, but she actually brings a lot of
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: that up about how she brought up one specific example
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: where when she was working for CBS, this news report
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: came out and most people just covered it from the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: report that they received, whereas she looked into the company
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: that was behind in this study and was like, well,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: they're actually financed by the same people who would want
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you to believe this, so maybe don't just take it
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: with a grainssalt. But she was the only one who
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: covered it that way.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, everybody just wants a confident dad to tell
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: them what's going on, and like they you just you
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: just want a guy to like you just want to
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: It's really hard to independently synthesize a sort of viewpoint
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: about the world with a personal philosophy or whatever whatever
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: it is. But you just hear one thing and You're like, uh,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: you hear letting was without Sandcaster first Stone. You're like that,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I like that, don't start ship if you you know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: because you started you're full of ship too. That's and
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: then I'm just gonna do the whole book. That'll be
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: my book, you know. Alex Shoan's You're like, yeah, I
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: do fucking hate Hillary. You know what? Yeah, fucking nine
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: to eleven wasn't it weird? Yeah? You just you want
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: you want a dad. You want a media dad to
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: just you know, be like yeah with fucking you know.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: And me and Connor want to be your media dad.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: We want to be your media uncles. Yeah. We just
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: want to be the cantanker's uncle. I'll give you a beer. Sure,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: you're nine, You're not going to die. I want going
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: to die. You're nine, It's fine. I want to be the.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Media high school acid dealer. It's like, do you want
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: to expand your mind? Kid? Are you ready for this shit?
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: It's pretty heavy really. I mean, I know you've heard
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: pet sounds, but have you heard it? Wouldn't it be nice? Think?
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Man, So let's listen to the end of this where.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: When interests attack an issue by controversializing or attacking the people, personalities,
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: and organizations surrounding it rather than addressing the facts that
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: could be AstroTurf and most of all, astroturfers tend to
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: reserve all of their public skepticism for those exposing wrongdoing
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: rather than the wrongdoers. In other words, instead of questioning authority,
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: they question those who question authority. You might start to
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: see things a little more clearly. It's kind of like
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: taking off your glasses and wiping them and putting them
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: back on and realizing for the first time how foggy
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: they've been all along. I can't resolve these issues, but
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: I hope that I've given you some information that will
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: at least motivate you to take off your glasses and
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: wipe them and become a wiser consumer of information In
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: an increasingly artificial, paid for reality.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Ah, we're all fucked. Yeah, man, no one's gonna do that.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I like, Man, it's weird to see someone smiling insane.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, she was just trying to give a good speech,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: and it was, but it was just like an a
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: increasingly paid for reality. Yeah.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: Well, I've gone like the opposite way, where I'm just
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: like I don't believe anything that you guys are telling me.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: It's all lies. It's all lies, you know, I don't.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: That's kind of how I am these days. I don't trust.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think the enemy is the or the media
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: is the enemy of the people. But I also don't
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: think they do a great job in general, and I
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: don't doubt that there's some sort of government influence at
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: work and a lot of media outlets that keep us
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: from hearing a lot of shit.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Which it's also like it's become a fuck. It's you know,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: a business, and it's like, yeah, a form of entertainment.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: I think the media is just I think of the news.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: It's it's no surprise is that on the page everything
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: is given equal weight. News, sports, entertainment, It's all equal.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: The exact script is shot out to every city, to
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: every whatever, every It's no one at that station had
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: their own thought about something and roaded.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: It's you know, a different form of entertainment. It's people
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: who are interested by things that sound truthier, which is
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: one of one of the best words that's ever been created.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Something that sounds more true. It's like watching a documentary
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: versus watching a narrative. Film. It's like it's all entertainment.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: It's just you know, you want your things with like
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: a slice of truth on top, like a little cheese,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: but it's still a big ship pile underneath.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, it's like, look, I had a challat sure
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: it was all crew tons and Caesar dressing, but I mean,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: you know there's a little lettuce in there.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: I didn't need a burger. Yeah, it's the same thing.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: The burger is. The burger is entertainment news and the
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: salad covered and shit is the news news.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Right, salad covered and shit.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it's like a McDonald let's just call
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: it the McDonald's.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: It's weird how things like just don't really trickle down
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: to affect your life.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Like are we talking a piss again?
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I kind of this kind of thing I
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: think sometimes where I'm like, I don't think it's really
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: news unless a homeless guy knows it.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't just seminate it to that level
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: of society unless it doesn't.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: It's not it's not important news unless a homeless Like
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: homeless guys know the president. They know like, oh we're fighting,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: there's a war.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: They also know Kim Kardashian, Do you know what I mean.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well yeah, it's like, what's the thing in
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: the Judaism where you have to have a minion. You
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: have to have like a minimum number of people, like
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: at a funeral or something.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to count where there's a quorum.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: It's like a quorum, but it's called a minion. It's
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: a thing named Jewish law or so sometimes ominion. I
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: think it's called I believe it's called a minion something
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: It's almost I knew that movie was Jewish prop.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: But that's why you'll sometimes seeing media, they'll be like, oh,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: we're having a funeral, and they were like, there's not
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: enough Jews here. We have to so they have to
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: go out and find them.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: And like we haven't reached our minimum.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Literally, it is about how many Jewish people they
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: have to have a room for God to be there
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: or something for it to be holy.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Interesting, that's like in Japan when they have strippers because
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: they want to have The more people you have, the better,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: the more heaven you get. Sure, whatever, So there's Adam's
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: not pleased.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: So there's another article that we read for this podcast
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: on the Atlantic called Operation Tinsil Town, how the CIA
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: manipulates Hollywood, and it's about the CIA's influence on Hollywood.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: It sounds like if they admit a third agent Cody
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Banks movie Operation tinsel Town, Frankie Munez as to expose
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the child pedophile rings that got him into these movies
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: in the first place.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: That's why he has no memory of everything that happened
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: during talk him in the middle.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fucking he busts through Bryan Singer's skylight and it's like,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: I'm here to save the fucking Zach and Cody kids
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: before it's too late.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: And Brian's like, but I'm a bottom. You don't look
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: like much of a top.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: This is from the Atlantic article. The CIA has established
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: a quote very active spin machine in the heart of
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: the entertainment capital, which works strenuously to make sure the
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Cloak Dagger world is presented in heroic terms.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: American sniper. Oh yeah, just a great dude that did
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: shock people in the head.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: The guy that wrote the guy that ruined Jesse Ventura's career,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: did he Oh you didn't hear about that?
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: No?
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, no, no, I'm dead serious. You want
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: to have a brief detour onto this just real quick. Sure,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: So the guy who wrote American Sniper, his name escapes.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: He is Chris or something.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I forget, probably Chris.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Let's just say Bradley Cooper because it's the guy who
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: played a movie. So Bradley Cooper. The guy wrote. He
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: claims in his book that you know Jesse Ventura, who's
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: one of the Frogmen, he was in of the original
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Green Berets. He was at an event and in this
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: American Snipers guy's book he claims that Jesse Ventura was
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: like very rude to him or is a dick to him,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: and like threatened to fight him and Stephanie. And let's
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: say that they got into some scuffle or whatever. Like
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: this was made up whole cloth. This never happened. We
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: never interacted, like on the day that you said we did.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: We did a photo and show Canton met at this
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: other event which I have photos of and I have
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: testimy for people who were there that this happened. And
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: he's like, basically in his book he wanted to look
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: like big shit. So he's like, oh, I started shooting
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: with Bessy Ventur jesseven tours threatened by me and I
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: put him in his place and stuff, so he filed
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: a lawsuit against him. And then once this lawsuit started,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: jesse Ventura was being dragged through the media for a
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: disagreements guy and calling him a liar, and he got
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: all these media appearances canceled. He got his show that
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: he was working on, Jesse Ventura like his conspiracy show
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: got essult got canceled. All of this shit went down,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: and then once the guy died, the story in the
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: media became jessevn Tours trying to get money out of
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: this guy's widow, and the widow was being backed by
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: her publisher and this giant media corporation was fighting him
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: and trying to shut him up so he couldn't talk
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: about it, and they were the ones spinning it that
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: he was going after this guy's widow and trying to
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: drag her name through the mud and everything.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: It was just.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Complete bullshit, Like the publishing company knew that story was
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: not true and if they had done any research, they
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: would have been able to find out, Yeah, that didn't happen.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: But the guy's dead now, so he looks like the
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: dick who's trying to drag a dead guy's name through
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: the Yeah, when he's saying no, this guy was just
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: a total fucking asshole who lied about it.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: The spin on all ship is so crazy that that's
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: again why I just can't believe anything, you know, that
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: whole thing.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: That well, I think that that ties into what we're
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: talking about.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: And he went to like rush at the film shows
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: and stuff. He can't even get hired in the US
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: media now because he's looked at as a liar.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: One place he could get a job. Hell yeah, if
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Jesse wants to come to no Hoo, buddy, we have
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: a fucking open, open invitation to mister Ventura.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: You're saying, Hake, if he wants to come.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Do a spot, I'll talk to Yeah.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I'm shocked he's not doing the Comedy Store or anything
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: right now, but he uh, I would hire him here,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: that's what he wants.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Toxic.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: But did anyone ever watch his conspiracy theory show?
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: I watched a few episodes, I can't remember.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: It was actually really good. He's a smart guy because
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: he would like drive to the places and be like
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: waterfly just walk through this, like we'll shoot you, but
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: we can't tell you why.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, huge gault And he was in.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: But I think I didn't know all of that, Laura.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: So I think I saw that he had a conspiracy show,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: and then I saw that everyone was shitting on him,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: and so I just went, well, go figures. You try
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: to get some truth out there and they just drag
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: you down.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: He's the first one who hit me to the Denver Airport,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: so he'll always hold.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Put you on game.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: And so one of the things they bring up is
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: that in nineteen ninety six, the CIA hired a veteran
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: clandestine officer, Chase Brandon, to work directly with Hollywood studios
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: and production companies to upgrade its image. And this is
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: a quote from him. We've always been portrayed erroneously as
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: evil and Machavellian. It took us a long time to
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: support projects that portray us in a light, in the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: light we want to be seen in. And this article
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: mentions Ben Affleck specifically, so much.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Interesting because also, like you think of like the like
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: early CIA movies were kind of like, well, they're fucking shit,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Like what's that one that came out after Kennedy or
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: during Kennedy that was like about some kind of.
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: The man Sharmancherryan Cancer in Canaday. I think there's all
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: presidents matter or something like that. Yeah, and yeah, they
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: were kind of like shady and duplicitous, but and then
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: they're like, all right, let's adapt an English thing that
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: seems like it's completely not propaganda, but it will just
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: it just makes spies seem cool. You know, if they
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: have a fucking watch that shoots a laser, you're like, well,
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: that's metal enough. I don't care what they're doing to
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: fucking you know, the Bay of Pigs.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: That's why I like. So there's a movie called The
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Quite American which is about CIA's special agents that were
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: in Vietnam. Graham Green wrote it and it was made
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: into a movie beginning of Vietnam, and they cut out
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: a lot of anti Vietnam things in it, even before
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: the war really scaled up. And then it was remade
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: around after nine eleven with Michael Caine and Brendan Fraser,
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: and it tanked horribly because it made the CIA look
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: bad because it was highly critical of CIA agents and
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: their involvement in foreign nations and just talked about it was,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: you know, the Vietnam stuff all rang true with what
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: we were doing in Afghanistan in the Middle East, so
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: that bumped at the box off of the Bruce.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I told you that you had to dress up like
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: what's gauge you, but doing Asianize is really not the
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: best way to handle your trauma.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I watched it go to Vietnam to get the food. Well,
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: have you ever heard of this guy arn On Milkan,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: who was an Israeli billionaire business and film producer. He
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: founded Regency Enterprises and he was He was an Israeli
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: secret agent for twenty five years. Secret agents are in
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: film all over.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: The place, right, And they mentioned the Jack Ryan franchise,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: especially as being one that the CIA worked closely on
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: in an effort to improve their image. And also our go.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Dude, fucking network notes are bad enough. Imagine getting CIA notes.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, NBC says we got to change it to
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Pepsi because they're the sponsor this month. And yeah, fucking
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the guy in the black van says, no, we can't.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: But he's not allowed to murder anybody, so I guess
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: he just gives her a dog.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: And it claimed. This article claims Chase Brandon was on
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: set during all of those moves these and frequently present
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: during the filming of Alias a spy series starring Ben
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: affleckx then wife Jennifer Garner. She actually filmed a CIA
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: recruitment video for them in two thousand and four.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Were they married when she was Alias?
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: That's when they met when she was.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: On Yeah, I don't know they I don't know that
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I know exactly when they met. They made Let's hit
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: on the important detail here.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: There was a show that was like a celebrity poker
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: show that used to be on Bravo. And I think.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: How long did Alias run? I mean, I'm not.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: That that long, early, like two thousand and one to
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: two thousand and four.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, how do you even know shit like that?
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: How would we even find out? The years Ben affleck I.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Was going to say, it's perfect Ben Affleic because he's
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: he's liberal, loves America freedom, and he's dumb and egotistical,
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: so he's like the ideal stooge for a government agent
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: to set up. Also, I think that this is a
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: conspiracy by the CIA to get laid more because they
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: wanted to put out there like CIA agents were really handsome.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: It was like a Hollywood up sucker dicks.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Hey, we're we're really a second tied of all these
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: firefighters getting the fucking good guy pussy.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we want CIA agents. It's like we're smart
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: and sets.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: He turned some loose for old John Doe over here.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know how to take down the Middle Eastern
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: terrorists and liquor dick.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: This is a quote from former CIA agent Bob Behar,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: who was also the subject of the movie Syriana, which
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: is a movie a lot of people pretended to like
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: in the early two thousands even though it made no
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: fucking sense. And this is a quote argo had nothing
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: to do with reality. Anybody involved in that operation knows
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: that the unit Mendez worked for his fictional He was
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: a makeup guy. He made the first mustache.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I used.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: They aren't supposed to last a long time, so they
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: don't remember your face. And he said, the best example
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: of how the CIA really works is HBO's The Wire.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's what I was saying earlier about the
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: basic journalists collaborations with the police. It's the same thing.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: The priest worked the same as the CIA in the
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: level of bureaucracy and paperwork and ego and people trying
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: to rise in political influence on procedures and everything.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: And they also talk about actors being brought to CIA
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: headquarters and one guy is like, why just because they're
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: going to be in a movie, And he describes like
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: people who.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Are cover people like the hallways, like having.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: To hide their faces because Ben afflecks in the room
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: and he's not supposed to be. And they also at
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: one point took the cast of Homeland to the CIA
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: office and people who weren't born in the United States
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: couldn't go into certain areas, which at least they're at
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: least they're exercising that much caution at least like that.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I like that Marina Bokharan or whatever her name is
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: from Homeland isn't going to go back and report to
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Brazil about what we're up to.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: It's just the longest con of all time. Addition, I
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: was a waitress for three years, so I could go
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: see a filing cabinet that had stuff in it.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: No, it's all. It actually does sound ludicrous, but foreign
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: governments actually do use high level people like that. That
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: was one of the things with the cabret that Cambert, Yeah,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: we do it all the time. Like the Cambridge five
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: was a spy group that ran out of the UK
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: during the forties. Fifties and sixties, and one of their
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: biggest guys was a radio show host on BBC Radio
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: who would interview celebrities and people all the time. They'd
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: be like, that guy couldn't be a spy. He's too
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: high level. No, that's perfect because no one suspects super
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: high level people. So to say, a foreign government would
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: never try to use an actor to find out information
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: about the US government just because they're on a show.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, no, that's actually not as crazy as
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: you might think it is.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can just google actors who are also spies
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: and you'll get along Julia Child. And it doesn't necessarily
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: mean they were like full on spies. They were just
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: like at one point operator the CIA was.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Lapped for something at some point, you know.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: They're like, well, Revelle, you'll almost sexuality. That was always
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: the old Trump card.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Myself, sexuality, Well, we're better at photoshop the seventies, so
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: we got there's a lot of it, extensive homosexuality.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: I always picture myself trying to explain this to like
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: the quote unquote normal people in my world, do you
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: know what I mean? And I think so easily, like
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: my dad or you know, someone along those lines would
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: be like, honey, they need to talk to the CIA
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: so that they can be accurate in the movie.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Which you know what I mean.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Like it's like, yeah, settle down, conspiracy, you know what
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, It's too easy. I don't know.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Well, they try to be on the up and up
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: about it. They have a link on their website where
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: you can send them a request for consulting services on
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: your upcoming Hollywood film, and it makes.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Them shooting a vine. I was wondering that'd be a
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: fun thing to do.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: In a CIA named porno and we want to know
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: how fast do you guys come?
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: And one of the movies that comes up when they
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: mentioned that as zero Dark thirty, And it makes sense
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: to me that the CIA would want to be like
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: they basically describe like the interactions around that movie. The
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: CIA basically picked the one movie about that that they
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: thought was gonna make them look the best and then
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: just supplied more information because that that movie's trash, like
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: all of those Catherine Bigelow's movies are government propaganda and
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: they are trash. The hurt Locker was fucking garbage. YEA,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Zero Dark thirty was probably garbage. I gave up after
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: the hurt locker. I don't remember what the other there's
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: one in the middle there. But in reading this article,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: like especially with Zero Dark thirty one, one agent basically says, yeah,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: whoever consulted her on that movie was of the opinion
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: that torture is what helped us find bin Laden, And
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: that movie when it came out, got a lot of
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: criticism for that for basically being a pro torture film,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: but it got criticism among people like us, but like
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: motherfucker's in the Midwest and.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like people.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: In the Midwest and in the South and in all
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: these areas who aren't living in our curated liberal bubble.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: We're just like, yeah, man, the CIA is fucking great.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: You to do what you gotta do, right exactly, it's
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: two and.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: You're not allowed to like not like the truth, Like
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: that's you can't be in public office and be like, yeah,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think you should be a troop.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Like, well, the thing is, it's about
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: heroic action and drama in you know, story and narrative
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: demands stakes and dramatic action and heroic action and people
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: to do things for pure purposes and for people to
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: have clear outcomes. That's how stories work, and government work
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: or bureaucracy or information gathering, journalism, prosecuting crimes. Not a
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: lot of dramatic stakes actually actually the opposite. Mostly just
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: gathering small crumbs of information, writing reports, doing things that
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: are very antsyclimactic. So what they're doing is manipulating the
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: reality to seem exciting and sexy and worthy of narrative.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you like you. There's a bad guy and
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: he's doing it because of this, and we gott to
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: stop him because this, and we're going to do it
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: with teamwork and then the end.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how they get fund Yeah, because people just
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: to People want a story to latch onto And if
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: they don't have a story to latch onto something, and
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: then they don't understand it, and they if they don't
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: understand it, then they don't want to fund it, and
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: they don't want to support it, and they don't want
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: to let it exist, you know what I mean.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wish the NASA.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: It's like with NASA, if NASA, if they'd never landed
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: on the moon, do you think people would want to
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: give them money if we had not landed on the moon.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want if we landed on want to give
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: them a fucking dime if we landed on the moon.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Oh sure, okay, fair enough.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Adams, taking this above your head?
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: What, Well, we only want to save cute animals. We
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: only want to fund NASA if they're going to put
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: man on the moon, And we only want to support
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: the CIA if they're killing people and racking up skulls,
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: you know, cut racking up heads.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: One of the things they also mentioned twenty four is
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: being a show that helped like make rendition and torture
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: and black Sites all seem like that's what America has
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: to do it. It's totally norm but I think twenty
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: four was at least entertaining. Like my one of my
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: favorite TV moments of all time, Jack Bauer has this
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: husband and wife tied up, and he pulled a gun
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: and says his classic tell me who you're working for line,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: and the husband's like, you can shoot me, I don't
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: give a fuck, and Jack Bauer points the gun, looks
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: at the husband, then moves the gun over a little
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: and shoots his wife in the knee, and the guy's
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: like goddamn, okay, wow, yeah.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: And America's like, yeah, we're behind it.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: I hated Bush, but in that moment, I was like,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: oh fuck yeah, oh yeah, we're going to catch somebody now,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: and like that shit that has an impact. That's why
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: I would like to look into the funding behind the
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Ccario sequel, because the Ccario sequel, Cacario, was a great
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: movie about like drug traffickers and shit in Mexico and
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: drug cartels. But the sequel, which just came out this year,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: is about drug cartels, like using helicopters to smuggle Middle
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Eastern terrorists into the United States, and I'm like, that
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: probably happens a whole lot less.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Steven Seagall wrote a book about that, and it is
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: like his new book is called like The Way of
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: the Shadow Wolves, and it's about like people like the
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: smuggling jihat Is through Mexico, you know, to try to
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: make well, yeah we got border security. We got to
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: make border security, queen.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: And like the Cecario sequel, I refuse to go see
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: it because I feel like it's anti immigration propaganda that
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: this country doesn't need right now. And I would be
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: interested to see where the funding and consultancy work on
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: that came from. I should look into that.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: And it's such a it's such a laugh because basically
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: the government to you know, taking over Afghanistan caused the
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: heroin boom that killed so many people in this country.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: We've caused everything we complain about, from illegal immigration to
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: drugs to homelessness, we caused all of it. Yeah, Like especially,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I'd also like.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: To talk about all the propaganda that was created in
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: the sixties and seventies against government healthcare, government mental health institutions,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: and how that, you know, facilitated Reagan to close all
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: those places.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Down all the street.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd love to talk about how people are bigoted
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: against mental health.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: And yeah, drugs, and we've talked about it. Oh it's
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: a black Yeah, we talked about It's like they.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Want to hear like men complain about like women and
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you realize this is all your It's like
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: they're so insecure. It's like, well, yeah, we told them
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: they were ugly for two thousand years. You know. It's like, oh,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: they're they're jealous. It's like, well, we cheated on them
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: in life or my generation.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Women are like oh my god, guys don't understand feminism.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, the guys that we grew up with,
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: that grew up a dx suck it in the first
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Internet porn and Janet Jamison. They don't understand feminism. They
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: don't know crazy and I'm merried with children and bimbos
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: and just oh weird how that happened. But yeah, it's
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: just oh my god. I saw Garden State and did
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: you know that like drugs like mask your personality? Do
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: you know that like stop you from being your true self?
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: That's what any anxiety mins do.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Wait, I thought they just made you fall in a
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: fucking dishwasher. I don't remember the movie that. Well, yeah,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: that's the only thing I caught. Yeah, I know twenty
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: four for sure was like that. That was like they
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: probably got some some tax breaks and they're like, yeah,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: just make them cool, you know, and then just yeah,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: make them a cool guy.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: It's an ego thing because the CIA is like a
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: fraternal brotherhood. Basically, it's like the postop is meet Skull
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: and Bones. Right, It's like, once those agents are in there,
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: you'll see all these stories about CIA agents that were
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: career alcoholics, horrible people incompetent, would lead briefcases full of
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: classified documents on new York City subways because they were drunk,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: but stuff like that, But they don't get fired because
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: it's a brotherhood because its seen as you're part of this,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: and actors, especially male head or sexual actors, often feel
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: emasculated and told that you're a pussy or faggot. So
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: then they get into this sort of brotherhood of masculine
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: stuff of the military, the police, the CIA, and their
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: ego is stoked and they feel like one of the boys.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: And then they're like, oh, yeah, these guys are great.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: These guys are my brother in with them, growing up.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: On a cul de sac where that was very much
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: the culture with my my male neighbors. It's like some
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: of the shit I did, I'm like, man, I really
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: just threw dog shit at my friend because I didn't
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: want to be a pitch abstract.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: So Ben Affleck is like, I'm sick of everyone saying
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: that I make out with Matt Damon. I'm going to
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: be a CIA boy.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's it makes sense the CIA would want
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: to control the narrative on you know, how they're portrayed
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: in Hollywood. But it's just such a dangerous thing because
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: of the things that they're they normalize and that the
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: things they make seem like, well, this is America and
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: this is what we do, and it's like we don't
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: necessarily have to do that, Like there's probably other ways.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and there are more effective ways. It's
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: a lot more effective to become friends with your torture
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: subject sorry, uh, terrorist suspect than it's hard. I'm a
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: little tired of the boarding.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: That's the way to really get them to trust you
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: is the way that you actually usually do get more
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: reliable information.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, make you want to be a cool guy. Hell
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: about the fucking man?
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's like, yeah, it's like I'm on your side.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: He's like, well, you know, you get your kids here,
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: don't you want them to go to a school? If we,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: you know, give you a good deal, then your kids.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: If we gave you a sick tie pin with logo
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: on it.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: A Filipino spring dick figuring, yeah.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Filipino wood doll.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Right after the meeting, you can go take two things
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: out of the tree as your chest, well, a Walter
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: pp K and the fucking a blow dart gun full
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: of rufies. Nice cool.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: So where does everyone stand on the idea that the
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: CIA influences the media. That's usually how these podcasts end.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: We decide if we believe this shit or not. I'm
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: very much I believe it.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely believe it, Laura, I believe it.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Just when I saw it as the podcast topic, I
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: was like.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Yep, did the CIA conspire to get in touch with
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: the number of journalists in order to influence public opinion
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: about both the CIA's actions and all of the government's
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: military actions at home and abroad.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, of course they did.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Of course they did. That's part of their operations. But again,
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, unlike the KGB, the
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: CIA has never been able to arrest anyone. They have
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: no powers to arrest people or charging with crimes.
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: They can just kill them and keep.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they just shoot them in the head in the
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: public square and then the car catch dip off into
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: a pew show.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I'd rather be had my head
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: blown off in a public square than be held indefinitely
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: in a detention center. Are by the Yeah, for sure,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to commit suicide via the government, suicide by
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: intelligence agents.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Running to run into a fucking police precinct with a
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: bunch of hot dops taped to your your stomach and
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: it's dynamite. That's for fucking amateurs. Me, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: get tooken out, blood pillow over my head in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the night.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going for poisoned by Russia.
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  Speaker 3: I want I want gart Wire.
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  Speaker 1: Garrat Wire Brand Central Market. During the day, Stalin had.
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  Speaker 3: A thing where one of the agents would give a
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  Speaker 3: guy's like, well, he likes chocolates, doesn't he. So they
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  Speaker 3: give this guy two box of chocolates and they were
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  Speaker 3: bloated with dynamite under the chocolate and they blew up
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  Speaker 3: and like exploded him in the square.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought they were going to put like rice
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  Speaker 2: and in a black pussy.
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  Speaker 3: Explosives in the chocolate box. I want exploding chocolate box
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  Speaker 3: because I would never see that coming.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would all be fun going get out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, someone's going to send you some joints and it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be like a dynamite.
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  Speaker 3: Don't Yeah, I'm not gonna look like the hack and cheese. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you look like the coyote blown up.
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  Speaker 1: Next week's episode, which is a Patreon only episode, kind
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  Speaker 1: of continues this conversation and we're talking about the CIA
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  Speaker 1: and the Copeland family. The Copeland family. Miles Copeland was
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  Speaker 1: the like one of the founding members of the CIA.
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  Speaker 1: He was the head of the c I at one point,
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  Speaker 1: and he has so many ties to especially like early
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  Speaker 1: eighties music, like R. E. M. The Police ship like that.
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  Speaker 1: One of his kids founded a record label called I R. S.
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  Speaker 3: Oh the irony two is Radio Free Europe was an
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  Speaker 3: imitrated government thing. And then that's an song.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, hilarious, It is pretty great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the police communism doesn't work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Stuart on the red light.
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  Speaker 3: But he was saying because he was like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's communist, you're a Soviet.
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  Speaker 3: Turn on that red light. Actually, you know what the
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  Speaker 3: historical bil reference of the red light is.
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  Speaker 2: I do not.
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  Speaker 3: There's a story from the Old Testament about a prostitute
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  Speaker 3: putting a red light in her window to signal to
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  Speaker 3: a Jewish soldier, start soldier of David, about whether these
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: troops had gone through or not before. So that's why
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  Speaker 3: the red light district was prostitutes put red lights in
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  Speaker 3: their window. The Jews because of the Bible, because of God,
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  Speaker 3: because of God.
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  Speaker 1: So Sting was just saying there were no Jews in
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  Speaker 1: the area, So you can leave that red light.
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  Speaker 2: The coast is clear, you can leave that entice sting.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I thought that Crystal Knocked album was a
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: weird name for a reggae compilation, but sure.
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  Speaker 1: So that's our episode. Next week, We're talking about the
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  Speaker 1: Copeland family on a Patreon only episode, So subscribe if
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  Speaker 1: you want to hear that mother funny.
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  Speaker 2: To hear me and Adam probably just talk about joy
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  Speaker 2: Vision or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I just realized, putting this tally in my head, how
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: much I mentioned Israel and the Jews, and I just
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: look like such a fucking that I voluntized. Yeah, I
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: work for Instenagogue. I love the Jews. Please hire me
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: in media and entertainment.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just a big old kidder. I think it's My
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: record is pretty is. I don't think anyone knows what
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  Speaker 2: I actually believe?
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  Speaker 1: Now, So what do we have to plug before we
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: get out of here? Connor? What do you got?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know? Fucking mean boys, my website going chose
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: uh spooky jokes for kids coming back October?
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  Speaker 1: First, Laura, what do you.
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  Speaker 2: Have to plug?
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  Speaker 3: I get a show on Saturday at the Corbin Bowl.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: That's gonna be fun. It's a bowling alley slash comedy venue.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: But listen to profiles and in eccentricity, people are listening
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: to that. We are going to be doing that spy
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: episode soon. We got a lot of amazing stuff. I
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: actually got contact of one of the guests, Brothers, the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: phone freaker, Matthew Wigman.
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  Speaker 2: We're having we're having a piss tasting. We're gonna blindfold
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: pissed test you know which.
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  Speaker 3: And they're gonna sneak them as fair gets in there.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Leanne, what do you have to plug jackets?
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  Speaker 4: Well, every day I'm going through my midlife crisis, so
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: that's not entertaining. And then I think next Wednesday is
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: today Wednesday. So a week from today, I'm at the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: comedy store in the belly room.
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  Speaker 1: Very nice, all right, let's get the fuck out of here.
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  Speaker 1: Leanne say goodbye.
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  Speaker 4: Oh I don't have a big sign off. Leanne took her.
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  Speaker 4: I said goodbye, goodbye, God damn it.
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  Speaker 1: The Jews, goodbye, Connor, say goodbye, shalom.
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  Speaker 3: Laura Mechalca High machaheimyh, Laura Crawford.
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  Speaker 1: Goodbye, everybody. We love Jews, people of