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Breaking Up Fallow Ground · The Hearing God Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Hearing God Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Anthony Moore.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Dan Lamus.
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  SPEAKER_01: For over a decade, Anthony and I have been diving deep into weekly conversations about the prophetic, the mystical, and the matters of the heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we invite you into these weekly conversations.
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  SPEAKER_00: We hope you feel like an honored guest at our table.
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  SPEAKER_01: So pull up a chair, settle in, and let's get started.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, here we are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's good.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is good.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's very good.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's very good.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I continue to be grateful for the territory.
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  SPEAKER_00: It feels like we I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: For some reason, this conversation over the years has just it's uh it's almost like uh here here's my picture.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's almost like God is saying, here's this wide open field, go and run and explore it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then wherever you land up, or you know, wherever you end up is wherever you end up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, to me, that's like been really encouraging because I do feel like pretty consistently we tap into something that's uh both eternal and meaningful.
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  SPEAKER_00: So so I agree.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just happy that so here we are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's not many people in our circles, probably it's true for just about everybody.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's probably not that many people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, there isn't for me, anyway, who would be willing to explore that field as intently and um uh and openly without an agenda as you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I find you and I can talk about these things, share about each other's experiences of hearing God, what we feel he's saying lately, uh, and then be able to come in and out of that conversation without having a big agenda.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like we can we can push the boundaries, we can explore, we can wonder, and we can uh we can ask questions and you know comment on our, you know, like as you said, is our experiences without necessarily having to write a theological treatise on all of our very all of our experiences.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that and again, I think that's like very common.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like people are wondering, I legitimately had this week someone come up to me and talk about their experiences, and it was way outside the you know the boundaries of like what might most people might find comfortable to talk about.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was just like, I loved that conversation, and they don't even know how much I love that conversation, but I love that conversation, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it was really in the in the midst of like how do you let's just say uh Ezekiel comes up to you, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And he goes, Damn, uh you'll never guess what happened to me, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like he goes, like God pulled me up to heaven by my hair, by my hair, is he right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, yes, like do you know like no one nowhere else in the Bible did God ever do that?
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  SPEAKER_00: It was I mean, he's there's like again, we've said this before, like you read the Bible, and there's plenty of weird and unusual things that happen from that aren't like that are totally from God, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Right, the unusual, the the weird, the mystical.
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  SPEAKER_00: So so so those kinds of like I put them all in like you know, the weird, the weird and the wild and the mystical are very much things that I like, oh tell me more.
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  SPEAKER_00: What was that like?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, all right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, and and so I again I loved that conversation, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh, but just like there, and there are people for sure, and so number one, there are people still having these kinds of experiences today, yes, 100%, yes, though they may in this western uh age of enlightenment and rationalism be fearful about sharing some of those experiences and genuine, genuine experiences with the Lord, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and they might be a little like timid to to share their encounters with God and they don't know what to do with it, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't have a paradigm to necessarily put it, but yet they've had this moment with with God.
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  SPEAKER_00: They say, I think it's God.
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  SPEAKER_00: I again, I pretty sure, yeah, pretty sure, but like no one else, I feel like I'm the only one having these experiences.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let me just say, let me just say, if you're ever at King's Church in the valley and you've had a mystical experience that you can't quite put your finger on.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, or even if what you want to talk about, whether it was good or bad or indifferent or or other, like find me and talk to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, or find on find Dan and talk to him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like we will we love to we love to um to talk about these things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh the other thing I should mention, there's there's two things that uh I I should mention off the top before we get into the subject matter of the day, would be like if this podcast, and there are plenty of you out there that we know, but if this podcast has been encouraging to you, we would love it if you know you would share share it, share it with a friend.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh and so that would be that would be awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh both Dan and I have sort of these mixed feelings on promotion, yeah and uh and the weirdness and the feeling of it, and just it comes from like I we never never we don't set out, we didn't set out to do this podcast from a purely empire building standpoint.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's we we just said for our part, we have had these conversations over the last decade, and they've been profoundly encouraging to us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're like we let's share it, let's share it, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's just invite people share that encouraging experience with others.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's arena let's help, let's invite people to to wonder about the same things we're wondering about.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so that's the that was the heart behind it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we also recognize that we're like if this is encouraging to you, totally like share it, text it to somebody, send it to someone who you think it might be encouraging to.
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  SPEAKER_00: The other thing that I want to mention is coming up in September, starting the 9th of September, which will be from the airing of this podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's like a Tuesday.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a Wednesday.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wednesday, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh we are starting a prophetic ministry class.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's gonna run, I think, six or seven weeks, and it's going to be about ultimately about hearing God, but having like going after, which is a thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like we can ask God for the gift of prophecy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can ask God for the gift of words of knowledge, words of wisdom, those kinds of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can, you know, the first Corinthians 13 gifts, we can ask God, knowing that He is, you know, every good and perfect gift comes from the Father of lights.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh and or and or uh 1 Corinthians 14 1.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh pursue love, eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially that you that you prophesy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so those are the foundation of why we believe everyone can prophesy in varying degrees.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I am not a I firmly that is a hill that I will die on, that every every believer, whether or not it's a dominant gift that you may have, every believer can prophesy for this one reason.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Holy Spirit, if you are a believer, the Holy Spirit lives within you, and he knows how to reach people through you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so just to I I'm in danger of sliding off into a rant there.
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  SPEAKER_00: However, I will say that you can find out more information about that prophetic ministry class uh on our website.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's kingschurch.cc and there's an events page.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you go to the events page, it's there, and you don't have to, there is an auditing portion of that, so you you can take it free of charge if that's something that's interesting to you, or you can uh there's a there's a$250 fee if you want to take it as part of the ministry apprenticeship program.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's there's a there's a four credit option, there's also an uh an auditing portion where you don't actually have to do all the work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that will is there an online option for that?
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  SPEAKER_00: There will there will be an online option, but you'll that stuff will get sorted.
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  SPEAKER_00: That stuff will get sorted out once you get registered.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you happen to be listening from Kansas City, Missouri.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, King's Church, Kingsturch.cc You can you can also go there and check it out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's a that that sounds really exciting.
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  SPEAKER_01: How many weeks did you say?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think I think off the top of my head, it's seven.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it could be I don't I don't think it's eight.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know it's not eight, but there's uh there's one night where we're gonna double up and do some extra stuff there.
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  SPEAKER_00: But oh, that sounds really cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, so I think it's it's again, just before we we slide into the conversation, just to say that I know that that class has been really transformative for many, many people uh in this simple way, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I and this is this can be from a beginner to just curious somebody who's really been at this point.
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  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's all and no one no one matures out of prophecy.
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  SPEAKER_00: No one master no one masters it, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh that's a line that I use, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't become an expert because it's because there's still hope for me to grow up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because because it's not a thing that you master, yeah, it's a relate, it's a relationship that matures and deepens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's that's what prophetic ministry is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so uh yeah, so we can again enough enough with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But like I just want to encourage you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and this is that's what I was gonna say.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like it's been transformative for people because if if if by simple for the simple fact that uh in as much as it can be, it demystifies what the gift of prophecy is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Demystifies, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So you it freaks you out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you had a bad experience with it, maybe you were in a church where it was abused, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Where but like we we're very much first Corinthians 14, 3.
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  SPEAKER_00: Build up, stir up, cheer up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, this is the purpose.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is the the biblical new covenant purpose of the prophetic gift, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the and the sovereign, almighty, unexplainable God loves to partner with humans here on earth to do this stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I love the fact that that you and the in that course, it stays in that zone of God loves partnering with humanity in this.
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  SPEAKER_01: You just need to show up and be a human being, open to the fact that God loves partnering with us in this way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's what the prophetic's about.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah, you just need to come as you, and you will be amazed more and more at how much God wants to use the basic you to do amazing things to show us glory.
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  SPEAKER_01: But he doesn't need you to shift out of being a humanity, being human, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Being you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's good.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sounds fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's gonna be great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh so how's it going again?
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  SPEAKER_00: What's happening?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, things uh it's going really good.
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  SPEAKER_01: I uh we had a we had our staff retreat last uh week with our pastor staff.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of our staff got together.
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  SPEAKER_01: Really great time of just revisiting some things with God.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um just really good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Great time together.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um came out of that with uh remembering how important God's called to be a worker in the harvest.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, how important that has been in my adult life, especially.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just kind of revisiting that again.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's been that was fun to just realize that man, that is something that I've given my life to and would be happy to lay down my life for, and have laid down my life for, is to see people get their eyes open to the harvest that's in front of us, yeah, and that Jesus calls us to go ahead and on the daily, yearly basis, just give ourselves to doing his harvest work uh in our world.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that that was really fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, also had a really cool conversation, if it's okay for us to jump into this now, had a really cool conversation with a prayer warrior friend of ours, Dan.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I guess I could probably even say it's Dan Bustin.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or just uh feel free to get in touch with Dan and ask him about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure he'll appreciate that, knowing Dan.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, he shared with me a pretty cool prophetic experience he had uh just on a drive home.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I'd like to share that with with the folks.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh he was um coming out of uh he was leaving uh one of our prayer rooms, an evening prayer room that we had here uh at our at our uh at our location, and um he was on his way home, had his windows open, he decided to take the long way home, and as he was driving home, he went past uh a site where someone was digging a foundation for a house.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was late at night, and so the excavator was just parked there at the front of the lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as Dan drove by, he caught the scent of of tilled up earth, like earth that had been broken, dug, freshly dug earth.
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  SPEAKER_01: And before he had a time to think of anything about it, he he just heard inwardly, oh, I love that smell.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he recognized right away that that wasn't his voice, and he recognized it was the spirit of the Lord saying, I love that smell of of broken up earth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, and immediately his uh his thoughts went to a scripture out of Hosea, which speaks about which actually is a call to break up your fallow ground.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it says a number of things, and I don't know if you have it there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's uh Hosea 10, verse 12 says this is ESV.
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  SPEAKER_00: It says, sow for yourselves righteousness, reap steadfast love.
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  SPEAKER_00: Break up your fallow ground, for it is the time to seek the Lord that he may come and reign righteousness upon you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Break up the fallow ground of your heart because the Lord wants to bring the rain, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And and also break up the fallow ground so that you can sow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like we and again, there's the there's the analogy, you know, that you can't sow effectively on in hard soil.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and not only does the seed not go down, but the rain doesn't see sink in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So so it's like break up the fallow ground so that righteousness can be sown and that the Lord could bring uh righteousness, rain righteousness upon you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that that has really been sitting with me, stirring some things up in me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh and you mean like talk like wondering what does what does the breaking up of the follow ground?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So thinking about thinking about the prophetic in light of the there's the revelation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm driving home, drive past a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some dirt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, smell, I smell this the smell of broken up earth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, and so there's the revelation, yeah, the spirit of God saying to you inwardly, I love that smell.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's not just like that's like probably profoundly loaded.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not just with just a statement of like God's love for that, although that part might be true.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's there's probably more meaningful more to it, more to it than that.
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  SPEAKER_01: You hear the spirit of the Lord say something like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and of course, when we say hear, we that there's a range of hearing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that Dan would say I heard the audible voice of God, but he would say I had this very strong impression inwardly, this was the Lord, I recognized it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that smell.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's a revelation, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and the interpretation is what I mean that is sitting with me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is wow, God, what does that mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I felt like as Dan shared it, that that meant something for me as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: It felt like somehow this was a word for at least this region.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and the church in this region, a call by by virtue of the fact that God really enjoys the scent of ground being being excavated and and and and plowed for a purpose.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, totally.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, wow, God, then I want to understand from you what does that mean for our lives?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I've just been kind of because I think yeah, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I think one of the things that like I think both you and I have realized over the years that the tending of the soil of our heart, it just number one, it just never, it kind of never stops.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like this is the this is the lifelong journey of of making sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and there are a hundred percent times in our lives where it may not be obviously our whole heart that becomes hard, but there are areas in our in our heart that can become hard.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe even for understandable reasons.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I thought I think that's just a you know, just up front is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a great phrase tending to the soil of tending to the soil of our heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just to realize that you and I and whoever's listening, if you're a if you're a believer, we like that we don't we're we don't exist in neutral territory.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we all we have whether and again, like we're sheep, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So we can become distracted.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can, you know, fall into a ditch a time or two, and we can't, or we can, you know, things can happen to us where it's like that part of my heart, I don't even want to go there, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, so out of maybe out of self-protection or even out of, or just simply out of distraction, that that part of our heart be simply because it's not, we haven't we don't live in that area of our heart with God.
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  SPEAKER_00: So then it becomes hard.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I think again, ultimately going back, keeping the soil slash garden phase or uh ether, like the topical whatever, this is the language we're talking in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: With the I'm just gonna stay state like our the the territory and the ground of our heart remains tender because we are with the Lord in that space.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's really that's really because ultimately it's Him that's the the tender of the soil of our heart, and so we can ensure that that our the soil of our heart remains unfallow, like un hard, unhardened, uh simply by inviting him into every area of our heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so and so there are there are places in our hearts that at times can become hard because we've either forgotten about it or we've deliberately closed the door to saying, God, right, I don't want to go in there, and I for sure don't want you to go in there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So to say that can that can be a hardening, it can be for many understandable reasons why some some areas, maybe the whole thing, but some areas of our heart can become hard to the voice of the Lord and to righteousness, to blessing, even.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, so you're what you're speaking about rings true with me where it the where the journey has taken me here in the past week or so.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I did a little bit of a quick, quick search for the word fallow, what that means.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and it definitely has a couple different meanings.
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  SPEAKER_01: One is probably the most common is unplowed ground.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So maybe getting plowed up for the first time, maybe.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and that that would be the most common meeting, meaning.
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  SPEAKER_01: But there's also another meaning of it is that fallow ground can also be ground that was churned up, tilled, but it was left for a purpose.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that purpose it was to let it rest and be restored to where it can be seated again.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: And that second meaning kind of captured my imagination for a bit.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it reminded me of what you're referring to would be those places in my life where either it feels too painful for me to go there in the plot of land that is my inner being, you know.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: That that is too painful for me to go there.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm just gonna not go there.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe out of bitterness or fear or or whatever, it can become hard ground.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's also an assumption I can make that if God isn't seemingly bringing up a conversation that takes me to a certain ground in my life, I'm assuming he's done with that.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: I can make the assumption God isn't God and I aren't having a conversation over there.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: This could have to do with say you're calling.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: Say a few years and years ago you had a sense of calling on your life.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: God's called me to do this thing.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: And let's say you were at it for a while, and but it doesn't seem like that's a priority with God right now.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so you've kind of moved on in a sense, thinking God's moved on too.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: But in a moment, God could come back around and say, Hey, you remember that that ground back there?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm calling you right now to go back to that ground, break up that fallow ground and get ready for to plant righteousness.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm ready to reign on that ground.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: So that mean that possible meaning of it, or that meaning of it for me has been capturing me the last week or so to say, well, I wonder if there are more folks out there who who may be hearing a call from God to go back and revisit.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like even what happened for me at Stafford Treat last week.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: Go back, revisit the things I called you to so long ago.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because I've been letting a plot of land in your life, in your heart, rest.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: But it's time now to break it up, plant the seeds because I'm ready to reign righteousness, you know?
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that's good.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: I and I think some of it, right, in that uh very much so.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: I like the both and there because again, it is maybe it's uh something that you know that God is calling you into.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: There's a territory in your heart, a dream, a vision, a calling, a space inside of you that God is leading you into and calling you into, and you're for just simply put, you're just afraid to go there.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh root something rooted in fear.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Either you don't think you're good enough, you don't think you're qualified, you don't think uh, you know, or you're afraid to fail, all that stuff, all rooted in fear.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: So, so maybe this is a you know, uh, maybe this is uh an invitation for some.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: To just say, okay, so there's a uh I can't say what that is for for you who's listen who's listening.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: I know I have my listen, you have your heart, I have my own heart.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: I can only manage one heart at a time.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: So you and the Lord have to figure that one out.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: But but just to say that like maybe there is a legitimately, there are people listening that have had a dream or a calling that they've been too afraid to even just take a take a first crack at understanding what that is.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, so so breaking up breaking up fallow ground, uh, fallow hards, hard ground.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I I think I think that the the main issue with breaking up fallow ground is repentance.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's you know, it's stop let go of doing something, yeah, that's gonna continue to keep that ground hard.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, like there's something you have to let go of to for a change to happen.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: To renounce that as like resistance to God.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: God, I'm not gonna resist you in that.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: So repentance and and then and then shifting into I receive your agenda, God.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like whatever whatever you you want to do, I I'm ready to cooperate with the process here.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, like because there's some element of that, like not only I think it's really ultimately that our hearts need to be convinced that that Jesus has our best in mind.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, right.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like ultimately, I think if we really believe, if I really really my I know the right answer in my head, again, I said it ad nauseum, but my heart is a different animal where if I'm holding withholding something or I'm I'm just not going somewhere because I'm afraid, is because my heart needs to be convinced that Jesus has my best interest in mind.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so, and so I think that's part of the the repentance too, because we recognize, hey, we're falling short.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: This is falling short of design and glory that God has intended for us, but it's also recognizing that okay, in that process, I need to trust the Lord in this process.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my I just need to just let go.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna Jesus is the good shepherd.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not, I'm just a sheep.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so trust in there, and so there does have to be elements of trust that come with that.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yes.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: So to so to interpret Dan's experience there and to apply it a little bit, God loves the smell of ground in my heart being plowed being plowed, like being tilled, being broken up.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, He loves that smell.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah so we have a little bit of a problem because it's uncomfortable for me.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and yet there's something beautiful about it that in my humanness I'm not going to recognize.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have to trust, yeah.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: I have to trust that there's something uh beautiful and a sweet aroma that arises out of my life if I will surrender to what is the process?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: What what what's the what's the and this is probably where we need to shift away from you know the heart isn't it's not totally relatable to our physical heart.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like our heart, our our spiritual heart, our mystical heart can take I like to say soul slash heart, like mind, will, and emotions.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like it can take a lot more, it can it can handle a lot more than we imagine.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes, and does.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so part of the part of the inability to to trust often is I don't know if I can make it through a process like that.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I can handle the kind of breaking up of my fallow ground that I think is ahead of me, yeah, and that causes me to want to back away.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's uh it's again, it's the fear of the it's walking in the fear of the Lord to say, here's something that the Lord loves, yeah, that my imagination and my perhaps my uh pain tolerance or something in my humanness, I can't handle that ground of my heart being broken up.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: And yet it's actually gonna release something beautiful.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it has to be a walking on the water thing.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like I God, this is too big for me, but with you, we can do this.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: With you, my heart can handle the breaking up.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I there's a funny, I don't know if this is I think this will be helpful, and you for sure don't know this, but um, and because I don't think anyone, I don't think I shared it with anyone.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: So a couple years ago I was away and I went to a so let's just share it with everybody.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so let's just like I love bear my heart to the world.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: So so the so the funny thing is is like we did talk a little bit at the beginning about why we do this podcast.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: When I was away, I was away at a conference and uh in the the realm the sort of in just in the conversations that come up at the at at you know when you're meeting people and you're sit at set next to them.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Someone actually gave me a word about airwaves.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: And uh that there would be something.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I and and I don't it was a longer word, and I recorded it, and then I have remembered that word, but I don't remember the full scope of it.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: Someday I'll go back and listen to it.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: But I will say, I will say this is that I I have come to, and and I don't know if I necessarily started, you know, if we started down this road like a year and a half ago with that word in mind, but I have very much remembered that word at times throughout this process.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, all right, Lord, whatever this becomes, I'm gonna just I I am gonna do my best to be a good steward of whatever this is.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so yeah, anyway, so there's this, there's there's uh there's a little little thing about this word that has come.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I and again, like this is you know, I'm not I'm not interested in building an empire here, but I do recognize that like you and I go This isn't just a good idea.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: This isn't just a good idea.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: This we don't go even places, even if it's a great idea.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: And but but I would say that for sure.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I would say that maybe that word had steered, you know, helped help this become like, oh, hey, we should do a podcast sometime.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: It moved it moved me past not only that, but let's just figure out the logistics like how is this gonna work?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Can we do it?
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: Let's put a rhythm in and all that stuff of rhythm of conversation like this.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: So just to say that like I even think just to say that that's a territory in my heart that God had to sort of talk to me about.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and I had to like the the breaking up of the fallow ground was the process uh that happened in my heart from maybe from word, like there's here's a word which you're gonna have to let's test it, let's discern if it's from the Lord, and then begin to dream with God about that space.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then so the breaking of the fallow ground is that process, and can dare I say, let's even continue, it becomes less and less fallow, but at least the the hardness of it or the the fresh tilling of it would have been would have been that you know, me with the Lord, praying about this, wondering about it, dreaming with God about what this could look like, and then just and then planning and the logistics, and then bringing myself to say, okay, this is now becoming a thing.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so so just that I and again, that's I think that's a small example of like what that fallow ground, maybe just practically speaking, right?
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like what the fallow ground, because there's a journey that I had to make.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: There's a journey, there's a journey that there's a practical journey, but there's also the journey that happened in my heart all along all along the way.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that that my heart had to be convinced that okay, so that you know, like, because we can all we all are there.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like, who would want to listen to two guys talk about whatever?
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we're not that interested.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, we're not that interested.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: But again, like and and the what we've found along the way is that we have been this God has used this in whatever ways he's wanted to to use this to encourage people, yeah.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: To to legitimize some of the experiences that they've had and to to maybe stir up a little hunger for more.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and so just to say that that's been the the journey of the fallow ground in my heart that's sort of been broken up and you know, maybe and maybe even still again.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, I the the call to break up fallow ground is I mean, this is simplistic, but it comes from God to hum humans, group of humans, one human, but it's a word that comes from God, an invitation, break up the fallow ground.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, that's that's helpful.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have to have a hand in this in some way.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like God's not just gonna break up the fallow ground, He's He's inviting me to do it, He's inviting me into the process.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um and here's here's the thing I wanted to get to is it's for developmental reasons.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like something like breaking up fallow ground, the call to break up fallow ground in your life, I I believe it's always for some developmental reason in your life.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's not just random and it's not a punishment.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually for developmental reasons.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: God's about to do something really cool with you in partnership with you, and and it's gonna be it's gonna be really good.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I just want to encourage everyone that don't let don't let the enemy tag on to this challenging experience of breaking up the fallow ground in your life, however, God leads you in that.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not meant to make you miserable or to be a punishment.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's for your good.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's right, and it's it's too.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it's and it's and it and again, when I say it's for your good, it means that like you will on the other side of maybe even a difficult process, that you will you will look back and go, There is, I am so glad.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, absolutely that that happened.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that God took me through that process.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: I was praying with somebody recently, uh, and we were in this process, and this person really loves Jesus and has been walking with him for a long time, but just kind of found herself stuck, kind of like, Oh, I gotta, I gotta, I do, I need to come for some prayer.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: So we got together and she, in a beautiful moment in the session, she was saying how I know God's gonna provide for us.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know he's so faithful, he always has.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: I know God's gonna provide.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: And the Lord began to reveal to her and to me in the prayer time, trusting God that he would come through and and faithfully provide.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: That wasn't the issue.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: What became the issue was she had lost confidence in her ability to partner with God in the process.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so he was saying this beautiful thing to her.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: I am going to provide, you know I will, but I'm not gonna do it without you.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it was this beautiful word of and so I just found myself saying, Jesus, would you show my friend who she is then?
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: And she actually she literally began to laugh with joy, yeah, being reminded he began to show her who she really is.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's so cool.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Wow.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, I said, Wow, I really like her.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: And we laughed.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I said, So do you think that version of you can make the journey with God?
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: And she was like, Oh yeah.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought, what a beautiful picture of breaking up the fallow ground because I want you to come with me.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like God wants you, we want God wants to do something through your life because He wants to partner with you.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, can I share a prayer that I wrote as I now you're gonna say, no, Dan, you can't.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm going to share a prayer uh that really came out of this sitting with the Lord on this, Anthony.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um so here's what here's what I wrote.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Triune God, I am yours.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: I belong to you, but I feel restless, distracted, depleted, uncooperative, and out of my depth.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: Here in this place of frustration with myself, you are reminding me that I am a living branch that is completely dependent on attachment to the vine.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: And even the vine joyfully gives thanks to the faithful working hands of the gardener.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: My life is only found in you, gardener, vine, and living spring of life.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and for me, that's hey, it's okay to admit you're in this place of unbelief.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: I can't like I yeah, I I see I I hear and see this vision of who I am and you want me to be God.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: I can't get there.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I belong to you, but I I'm I can't do it.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so frustrated with myself.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 100%.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe, you know, maybe the win for somebody today is this, because I've been here plenty of times.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh maybe the win for somebody is is God, I recognize that this part of my heart is hard.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: And here I am.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm leaning on your unfailing love, the fact that you love me profoundly, even in the midst of me and my that part of my heart that's hard, and that you have my best interest in mind.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just like, I'm just trusting, but here, but here I am.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, God, here I am.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's the answer, you know.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: Again, I've said this before.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's the answer to the question of God in the garden in Genesis, Genesis 3.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Where are you?
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, God, I recognize that this part of my heart is hard.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: And here I am.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, not that I'm gonna do better, not that I'm gonna do, you know, X, Y, and Z to or Z, uh, you know, X, Y, and Z to this is my strategic plan for, you know, all of that.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe the maybe the win for someone is saying, God, this this is uh the area of my heart that I have left, uh, that I have not been willing to or have been afraid to pay attention to.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, whether it's uh whether it's a woundedness, whether it's calling, whether it's distraction, but here here I am.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: I have been distracted.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: And that's and then and then you keep having that conversation.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because that conversation is is an invitation.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's the win, that's the win of that conversation.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: You're inviting, like you're, you're acknowledging that that's a thing.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, it's it's it's a legit and powerful prayer in a person in that state you're describing to realize that God, I repent of refusing you in that area of my life.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's a great prayer of repentance.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, whatever refusing you in that place looks like, yeah, I repent of that, I renounce it as sin.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: Please forgive me, and I leave it at the cross and I take my hands away.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I receive this planting of righteousness.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: I receive the rain that you want to send on that place in my life.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a legitimate.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: I I repent of refusing you and I re and I receive yes.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I receive agreement with you.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: Can I say, can I say this too?
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: Just want to, you know, as we're sort of to the the flaps are starting to come down on our conversation and the landing gear is starting to come out.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: They're putting the flaps down.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: Flaps are down.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: I want to say this, like I I felt my heart drawn to that first line, right?
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: So free, like before breakup the follow ground, so for yourselves righteousness, right?
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I just did a like a little quick, uh, a quick lookup on what righteousness, just uh generally what it means.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a definition that says the quality of being morally right or justifiable, right?
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I and I and I think I wanted I wanted to hit at this angle.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like the sewing for yourself righteousness is less about what you're doing, it's actually of being, right?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's really, it's really connected.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: So the quality of being morally right or justifiable.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: So it's really like who I am.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's connected to who I am.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: And the only way, again, the so the sewing for yourself is simply putting yourself in a place where you recognize, okay, how do I become righteous?
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: Who like the the the act of increasing that I have I am again, it's the cross.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's the it's connection with it's abiding in the vine.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's it's it is knowing and making yourself available to know Jesus.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's the part of like that to me, that to me is like the the sewing, the sewing.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: So the call, the call is is the and and the breaking up the follow ground.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's all unto the tenderizing of your heart to God.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: So, so it's really like this this place, this posture of heart where it's like we recognize, okay, so this part of my heart is is hard.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I'm we I don't want to circle the mountain necessarily on that again, but it's really like the call to the call to connection, yeah the call to relationship.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: That the only way that we be we can sow for ourselves righteousness is to remain connected to the one who is righteousness.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: So that's not it's not like and again, it's a so that was just a thought that I I think I wanted to just share.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's like because it's like it's really good.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: Many, many people like I hope, I hope, I feel like that in our in the midst of this conversation that that that you know if something has tapped your heart, it's really like we're not asking you to.
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  SPEAKER_00: build a list, build a strategy.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: Strategy will come, whatever.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: And though and those things, but it is the simple shifting of your heart from your protection, from your from your the from the tending of your own soul and your heart is to shift and saying God, you need to tend this.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: I can't tend I don't want to tend this anymore.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah once more like hey everybody welcome to the life of being in union with the triune God in Christ.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like like you're not going to be in that union without getting some challenge to tend the heart, the soil of your heart.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'll say this too and maybe we can this is this will be our last sort of shift I think you're up to pray for us.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I think yeah but really like it is it really is is like that the the promise comes at the end of that verse right so that he may come and reign righteousness upon you.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm his business the sowing happens the the breaking up the fallow ground comes and that he may bring ultimately himself yeah that the Holy Spirit makes you and me more Christlike through this process.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: But but can I can I can I call it a blessing right ultimately the greatest blessing is that we can we can like but the but the but there's many there's many things to love about that blessing.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right there's many facets to that blessing.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's for it's for the it's for the sake of your blessing my blessing anyone else's blessing that that the Lord invites us into this process.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: So he wants to give us good things he wants to give us good gifts he wants to bear good fruit he wants to bear much fruit much good fruit right through through you and I and and every believer.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's the the promise the promise is the fruit the fruit of this verse is that the Lord comes our hearts are tenderized and he blesses us and joy comes yeah love comes peace comes right self-control like it's the fruit of the spirit comes right so it's the gentleness comes those kinds of things are what our what our lives will look like when those and then that's I I mean again I think it's I think it's actually character and gifts right so it's not just the the quality but it's all it's the inward uh it's the inward expression and then the outward expression.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: So the inward is the character stuff the goodness the joy but the outward is like that God uses you and me mightily to advance the kingdom of God.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's you know again and and and that we know Christ.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know so yeah so that we div we deepen our connection and and our availability and our relationship with him.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: So to me to me it's like these these things this is it's just such a loaded I think this is the first time we actually kind of like sat down with a verse and just sort of like expounded on it which I love and then yeah from start to finish.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so maybe maybe sort of grace yeah yeah like just yeah Jesus help.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so um maybe I'll just pray and wrap this up and then we can go about the rest of our day again.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah so Father we just come before you just uh want to thank you first foremost for your word that you've given to us so that by which we can know you.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_00: Father we thank you for your love your eternal unconditional love that you have given to us like that your word says has been shed abroad in our hearts Lord how extravagant and then the love language of heaven is that you sent your son to us Lord so we thank you for I thank you for this reality that is that we live in because of Jesus.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so Lord I I pray right now God for whoever's listening Lord and and even for Dan and I just to say that we want to sow righteousness.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_00: We want connection we want connection with you so that we can reap love so that your love grows within us and and and is expressed through us.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so Lord I pray for great grace in these days like for whatever the hard heart in the in the soil or so the whatever the hard ground is in in the garden of our heart Lord Lord I pray for just a tilling up Lord I pray for just grace to repent grace to acknowledge God grace to you know help us with that Lord and so Lord we just say here we are God and I just pray God in the midst of this Lord um I ask that you would accomplish your purposes Lord that you would speak value that you would speak identity God that you would speak your goodness to everyone who's listening God that they would hear you in a unique and a special way.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I thank you Lord for this conversation God I just pray that you would just use it for your glory in Jesus' name amen.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: Amen well that's a wrap on this episode it's been a privilege to have you as an honored guest as we all learn to hear God better.
• 49:53
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• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: Until next time