Latest / Simply Bitcoin / Anti-Bitcoin Forces SABATOGE Argentina's Javier Milei | EP 846
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- 0:09It's. All going to zero against
- 0:11Bitcoin. It's going up forever.
- 0:21You're against Bitcoin. You're against freedom.
- 0:25Yeah. Welcome to another episode of
- 0:27Simply Bitcoin Live. You're your number one source
- 0:30for the peaceful Bitcoin revolution.
- 0:31Recover. Breaking news.
- 0:32Culture. Medic warfare.
- 0:33We will be your guide through. The separation of money in state
- 0:36Speaking of the separation of money in state, it's one of
- 0:40those episodes. Javier Miley, who is currently
- 0:44the front runner to win the Argentinian presidency.
- 0:49He's being sabotaged left and right.
- 0:51Prosecutors charged them with the crime.
- 0:54They're using law. Fair and coincidentally, of
- 0:57course, a couple days before the election.
- 1:00The current government eliminated all income tax
- 1:04entirely. I wonder why they did that.
- 1:08You could say at this moment, at this moment, you could say that
- 1:12potentially he is a threat to the system, a threat to the
- 1:16status quo, a threat to the government's ability to create
- 1:22money for free that everyone else has to work for.
- 1:26So. Very, very interesting times
- 1:29that we're living through to say the least.
- 1:32And another thing that I wanted to bring up was the breaking
- 1:34news that was happening this morning.
- 1:38Coin Telegraph reported that the Black Rock Spot ETF was
- 1:42approved. That turned out to be a total
- 1:45hoax 1,000,000%. But it was very, very
- 1:49interesting. Like when I was making the title
- 1:52for the video, I was like BlackRock Spot Bitcoin ETF.
- 1:55Then 20 minutes later it turned out to be a hoax.
- 1:58The price of Bitcoin pumped to 30 Ki feel bad when it fell back
- 2:03down once again. And yeah man, so crazy, crazy
- 2:07stuff. I think people, if you've never
- 2:10I saw Steven Lipka tweet this, tweet it, tweet this this
- 2:13morning. If you've never experienced a a
- 2:16Bitcoin bull market cause your class of 2020, well this is what
- 2:20it feels like. It's just the green candles all
- 2:24the way up. But I I wonder who was behind
- 2:27that in Coin Telegraph they did, they did release a tweet that
- 2:30said that they were looking into it.
- 2:34Whoever was behind that, if they did it on purpose, they could
- 2:39have made a lot of money very quickly.
- 2:41And I don't know. I don't know, man.
- 2:45I I I'm suspicious these days. I'm reportedly suspicious these
- 2:53days. Anyways, it's gonna be a great
- 2:56show. We have a very special guest,
- 2:57Opti smiling. That means it's gonna be a very,
- 3:00very special show. Well, well, shouts out to the
- 3:02intern handling the coin. Telegraph.
- 3:05Twitter. Do you know how much shit we
- 3:07would get? You know how much shit we would
- 3:09get if we did that? Like, Oh my well.
- 3:12Everyone's calling to delete their account.
- 3:14It would be. Over for us.
- 3:17Yeah, it's it's crazy, but you know, I I dropped the chat.
- 3:21Pull Was this the start of the bull market 'cause I have a
- 3:24simple heuristic and a bear market.
- 3:26No amount of good news pumps the price and in a bull run,
- 3:29literally hot air pumps the price.
- 3:31So I don't know man. You know, maybe they didn't
- 3:36approve this, but it does seem like there is a lot of liquidity
- 3:40waiting on the sidelines. So shouts out to the intern that
- 3:42had a long this morning and probably cashed out.
- 3:44Or coin telegraphs have a long this morning.
- 3:46I don't know, but it's fun to wake up to some green candles,
- 3:49I'll tell you. 100% I want to bring up our very special
- 3:54guests. We got Terrance in the house.
- 3:56How you doing, Terrance? So Terrance and I met at Swan
- 3:58Salon Miami and and Nico doesn't remember who he met.
- 4:05He's he meets so many people that.
- 4:07That's not true, bro. You just had to.
- 4:09Give me you just had to give me a a a friendly nudge and be like
- 4:13this is where we met at this moment in time.
- 4:16But I I did. I remember I told you I was
- 4:18like, bro, come on the show. And I'm happy you made it on the
- 4:21show, bro. So we're super, super happy to
- 4:24have you. Opti.
- 4:25Why don't you talk a little bit about what we're going to talk
- 4:26about during the culture segment?
- 4:28Yeah, so Terence first and foremost wrote a book, Proof of
- 4:31Money. So we'll talk about that.
- 4:33And then also Terence wants to come on and help us Bitcoiners
- 4:37become better at Orange Pilling. So I'm excited for this
- 4:40conversation because I constantly.
- 4:42Either talk about this or I'm constantly asking myself this.
- 4:45I'm always reiterating on like man, how come people don't
- 4:49understand that we have the best money in the world?
- 4:51And I I I say it all the time. You know, if we're being honest
- 4:55with ourselves, I think bit corners were kind of bad at
- 4:56marketing because we have the best money in the world and
- 4:58everyone should embrace it. But hey, we'll talk about that
- 5:01during the culture. 100% All right, everybody, no more delay.
- 5:05Let's jump straight into the show.
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- 6:13Here we go. At the time of recording the
- 6:15Bitcoin prices 28,145 stats per dollar 3553 block height 812,478
- 6:24blocks to having 27,522 having estimate April 21st 2024 total
- 6:30Lightning network capacity 5300 Bitcoin.
- 6:33Capacity Value 149 million U.S. dollars Realized monetary
- 6:38inflation 1.74 Four 1.74% The market capitalization of Bitcoin
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- 7:18All right. So let's cover what happened
- 7:21this morning because. It was a bit of a shit show, so
- 7:25this was initially what happened.
- 7:27Coin Telegraph reports BlackRock Ishare Spot Bitcoin ETF has been
- 7:31approved currently. Coin Telegraph reported waiting
- 7:35for more. Everyone was asking for the
- 7:38source Walter Bloomberg which is a very great kind of news
- 7:44aggregator account. He even said SEC approve iShares
- 7:48Bitcoin spot ETF. And then the story started to
- 7:51develop. Spot Bitcoin ETF News has a
- 7:53second source, ladies and gentlemen, and apparently this
- 7:56was coming from Benzinga news writers, but it was reported by
- 7:59Reuters, right? So a more reputable source.
- 8:02And then things started to fall apart.
- 8:06Fox Business Eleanor Terrell says hold the phone.
- 8:09Stay tuned for more. Because she said BlackRock has
- 8:12just confirmed to me that this is false.
- 8:15Their application is still under review and.
- 8:19Keep in mind that this that this person Eleanor has an interview
- 8:22with Larry Fink later on in the day, Grayscale issued a
- 8:28statement says the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedures 45 day
- 8:33period to seek rehearing has now passed.
- 8:35The court will now issue its final mandate within seven
- 8:38calendar days. This the Grayscale team remains
- 8:41operationally ready to convert GBTC to an ETF upon the SE CS
- 8:46approval. And we look forward to sharing
- 8:48more information as soon as practical.
- 8:51So I mean, it was a bit of a fucking shit show, excuse my
- 8:55language. Like the price pumped the 30K
- 8:58right for for a short period of time.
- 9:01Everyone thought the spot Bitcoin ETF was going to be
- 9:04approved, but a lot of people were asking a lot of difficult
- 9:07questions like where's the source?
- 9:08What's going on here? Coin Telegraph went on to delete
- 9:13the tweet. And then even worse, not only
- 9:16did they delete the tweet, they released this, which was kind of
- 9:19funny. We apologize for a tweet that
- 9:22led the to the dissemination of inaccurate information regarding
- 9:27the BlackRock Bitcoin ETF. How many people got wrecked
- 9:30buying Bitcoin AT30K 'cause they knew that the this this ETF was
- 9:34approved. An internal investigation is
- 9:37currently underway. We are committed to to
- 9:39transparency and will share the findings of the investigation
- 9:42within with the public once it is concluded within three hours.
- 9:47And then a lot of bitcoiners. That made some really
- 9:49interesting point. We have Cadito Bastardo instead
- 9:51of immediately deleting it. Then you posted reportedly and
- 9:54now you're trying the MI culpa no Buenos serves.
- 9:58You could have just deleted it and claimed to have been hacked.
- 10:00Which begs the question, what was the price tag for such a
- 10:03tweet? A billion got wiped out of
- 10:06Bitcoin. Open, open interest alone.
- 10:08Such a headline was extremely profitable for anyone who knew
- 10:11it was it who knew in advance it was fake, both on the up up side
- 10:16and the retrace, Mitchell says. Where can I send the invoice for
- 10:21the new pair of pants? You owe me, right?
- 10:24So again, what Dylan Leclair said is very accurate.
- 10:30Someone could have made a lot of money.
- 10:33Doing this if it was on purpose, and if you've been in the market
- 10:37for a pretty long, long time now, these types of things don't
- 10:40happen unless they're on purpose.
- 10:43I don't know that for sure, but maybe I'm this fucking jaded
- 10:47bitcoiner that's been here for more than half a decade and has
- 10:51seen some crazy shit in this industry in his time.
- 10:55So I don't know, maybe I'm seeing things.
- 10:57I want to get our guest takes. Terrence, you saw this madness
- 11:00happening in the morning. What's your take?
- 11:04My take is that the the GBTC, the fact that the SEC is not
- 11:10going to challenge it. I feel like that's actually the
- 11:13first big part of this because if you look at GBTC, it's
- 11:16actually been pumping all morning.
- 11:19Aside from the information about the the, the ETF, I think
- 11:25Preston Pish and a few even Will Clemente, they they all thought
- 11:30it was real news as well. So they were pushing that out.
- 11:33But think about this like Bitcoin, Twitter is so small and
- 11:37I don't know that this hit traditional Wall Street with
- 11:40that tiny little notice that if this is what's happening with an
- 11:448% jump and I think it was like in 20 seconds almost imagine
- 11:50what's going to happen. I mean to me it proves that the
- 11:52Bitcoin ETFs are not priced in at all.
- 11:56So as we always say, stack sats and get in front of this. 100%
- 12:02And again, if you just if you've been, you know dollar cost
- 12:05averaging, staying humble, you know this shouldn't have.
- 12:12You know it shouldn't have affected you anyways.
- 12:15Opti, what's your take on this? Yeah well as I said in the
- 12:18beginning shouts out to the intern.
- 12:20Well really I I I like corn Telegraph doing the like it was
- 12:24our intern that messed up that's like such that's like such a
- 12:27good good cover. But yeah man, I said in the
- 12:31beginning, you know, and I actually, I dropped it in the in
- 12:34the chat as well. Like is this indications that we
- 12:37are finally. On the precipice of getting out
- 12:40of this bull run, because if you haven't been here for a while,
- 12:43if you're newer to the markets, usually in a bear market, no
- 12:46amount of good news pumps the price.
- 12:48And usually during a bear market or a bull market, any amount of
- 12:53noise or any amount of good signal makes the price go
- 12:56absolutely nuclear. So as Steven Lobka said, guys,
- 12:59if this is your first cycle, well welcome to how crazy it's
- 13:02going to get. And This is why I keep telling
- 13:04you guys. To get prepared now, because
- 13:07look, look at all the hysteria we saw this morning.
- 13:09And this was what for like an hour or two or something like
- 13:12that. And just wait until we actually
- 13:15see these green candles and it's not pumping because of hot air.
- 13:19And yes, I think Terrence said something that that really hits
- 13:22the nail on the head, and I've been saying this for a while as
- 13:25well on the show. Remember how small Bitcoin
- 13:28Twitter really is, guys? There's not that many people on
- 13:31Bitcoin Twitter. And then to that extent, there's
- 13:34a lot more bitcoiners that aren't on Bitcoin Twitter.
- 13:37They don't know what the hell is going on on Bitcoin Twitter.
- 13:39So once some actual news comes in, once some really bullish
- 13:43indicators start to come in, like the price is going to go
- 13:45nuclear. So, you know, welcome to the
- 13:47party. Buckle up.
- 13:49Things are going to get crazy and you know to to the like fake
- 13:53news story, it just, you know, it's just Bitcoin stuff and and
- 13:57kind of, you know, maybe you're getting cynical this morning,
- 14:00Nico. Maybe this is a kudos to what
- 14:04Gary Gensler and all the institutions are saying, all the
- 14:07ABC men are saying out there. Just this space is ripe with so
- 14:10many frauds and scams and like, this doesn't make us look that
- 14:14much better. You know, like some fake news
- 14:15comes out, the price starts pumping, the market gets
- 14:18liquidated, This is. Why we're Bitcoin?
- 14:20Only if. If a shit coin publication, OK
- 14:23and and again, I'm not trying. So first of all, content
- 14:27creation is very difficult. OK, so I hate talking.
- 14:30Crap and and bashing content creators and Coin Telegraph
- 14:34makes some great content. There's some people there that I
- 14:38like, that I'm friends with, so I don't want to go down that
- 14:41route. But in this particular, in this
- 14:43particular move by Coin Telegraph, which is a
- 14:46publication that covers Bitcoin and crypto, they really drop the
- 14:50ball. And like what Dylan said, this
- 14:54got a lot of people wrecked. And if there was insider
- 14:57trading, they made a lot of money off other people's Dimes,
- 15:00right? And it's exactly what you said,
- 15:02Opti. It makes the entire industry
- 15:05look really bad. It reinforces the narratives.
- 15:09It gives the SCC ammunition to say, hey, we can't have a spot
- 15:15Bitcoin ETF, Look at the manipulation off just one
- 15:18publication, right. So yeah, it's it's it's
- 15:23interesting. But this is what happens in the
- 15:25days of social media. You have this massive account
- 15:28and with these massive, with these massive accounts, there's
- 15:31a tremendous amount of responsibility.
- 15:33I really do think you know and like I said, I I I like the
- 15:38content that comes out of coin. Telegraph, they make some good
- 15:41stuff. I might not agree with a lot of
- 15:43their views, especially on altcoins and all that stuff, you
- 15:46know, But to each their own. But on this specific case.
- 15:51You know I think they really dropped the ball that that's my
- 15:54that's my take on that. So anyways, it is a developing
- 15:59story. Let's see what they come out
- 16:01with in three. I'm so curious, are they just
- 16:03gonna blame it on one, you know, 1 poor 20 year old intern
- 16:07they're gonna make? Up an AI intern and then throw
- 16:09them under the bus. Like, God damn it.
- 16:12Like. This guy get out of the
- 16:14building. You fucked it up like you know
- 16:16it's it's crazy that apparently there's some rumblings that
- 16:20there's apparently a connection to czi don't know how much I
- 16:22believe that, but yeah, it's it's definitely sketchy to say
- 16:27the least. First thing Monday Morning News
- 16:30pump the price to 30 K It's back down now.
- 16:34Holy cow. And again, if you've been
- 16:36staying humble, stacking sats, none of this.
- 16:39Would have affected you. All right everybody, let's get
- 16:41on to the news. We got a lot to talk about.
- 16:42Let's check it out. The Daily News.
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- 18:15So let's move on to the news for today, which is the absolute
- 18:22sabotage of Argentina's looks like future president.
- 18:29He's leading the polls and what makes Javier Malik so
- 18:34interesting? Other than, you know what you
- 18:36could say, his rhetoric is pretty crazy.
- 18:40Basically saying that he wants to end the central Bank of
- 18:44Argentina, he wants to dollarize the country.
- 18:48And I'll get to why that's so significant, right?
- 18:51Because essentially, when a country dollarizes, whether
- 18:55that's Ecuador or El Salvador, what they're really doing is
- 19:01they're outsourcing their monetary policy to the United
- 19:04States and look. The reality is as much as people
- 19:09don't want to hear this, all this adoption that you hear,
- 19:12this crypto adoption that you're hearing in in other countries,
- 19:16specifically countries that have high inflation rates.
- 19:20That adoption of course a percentage of of it is happening
- 19:23in Bitcoin, but the majority is happening in stablecoins
- 19:27specifically dollar stable coins.
- 19:30So the dollar, what it provides is, you know, if there is.
- 19:36Piles of shit, right? Piles of crap, right?
- 19:38The the dollar is the smallest pile of crap, right?
- 19:41It's still inflationary, you know.
- 19:44It's still designed to lose purchasing power over time.
- 19:47But compared to the crap that they have in their hands, right?
- 19:50100% inflation. 20% inflation. 30% inflation, 10% inflation.
- 19:56It's much it's a much better choice.
- 19:59And over time. What I believe is going to
- 20:02happen, and I've said this many, many times and other issues, is
- 20:05that all roads lead to Bitcoin. So heading towards the dollar I
- 20:12think is a is a first step. Inevitably it will lead.
- 20:16You'll lead to the inevitable conclusion that hey, maybe I
- 20:19don't want another foreign country deciding my monetary
- 20:22policy, maybe I need an alternative.
- 20:25And that's why I believe El Salvador made Bitcoin legal
- 20:27tender alongside the dollar. And if if you make Bitcoin legal
- 20:32tender alongside the dollar, then it's a fair competition.
- 20:36And then made the best money win.
- 20:39And we already know what the best money is.
- 20:41So in terms of this guy, he's a radical.
- 20:46In terms of the IMF, in terms of the legacy corporate media, they
- 20:52do not like this guy. They call him an extremist.
- 20:55You know, every word in the book that you can think of, they've
- 20:59called this guy. They do not like him.
- 21:02And in Argentina specifically, just to let you know how much,
- 21:05how, how, how much this guy's over the target.
- 21:09They're already trying two things.
- 21:10They're trying law fair and they are changing laws right before
- 21:16the election, of course, to buy votes essentially.
- 21:19So let's start off with the first one.
- 21:21Check out this Wall Street Journal article.
- 21:24It's titled Read My lips, No taxes at all.
- 21:28In Argentina, Economy minister and presidential candidate
- 21:31Sergio Masa courts voters by eliminating income taxes and out
- 21:38of control, Santa Claus goes on to say, and as as election
- 21:42pledges, no new taxes has been done to death.
- 21:45In topsy Turvy Argentina, the ruling party's presidential
- 21:49candidate has upped the ante, calling simply for no taxes.
- 21:53Runaway inflation and economic catastrophe has stacked the odds
- 21:57against the pertinent candidate, currency economy minister Sergio
- 22:02Masa, in the first round of voting this coming Sunday, so
- 22:05that last month he threw up a Hail Mary pass to the
- 22:09electorate. He eliminated the income tax
- 22:12altogether for nearly everyone, got rid of a 21% sales tax on
- 22:17groceries for more than 16 million people, and threw in
- 22:20cash bonuses for various groups, including retirees, the
- 22:24unemployed For good measure. He waived import taxes for
- 22:28agricultural products such as peanuts, tobacco and milk, a
- 22:32benefit to small farmers. He's an out of control Santa
- 22:35Claus, Jamie Duran Barba, a former adviser to a conservative
- 22:39ex president, Mauricio Maci, told local radio station.
- 22:43Masa. Is helping to give people little
- 22:46pleasures, right? So essentially he's trying to
- 22:48buy votes. Now, Bitcoiners had some really
- 22:50good takes on this, so let's start off with Jimmy Song.
- 22:53So Argentina has abolished the income tax ahead of its
- 22:56presidential election in a last ditch attempt to defeat the
- 23:00Libertarian candidate who's leading in the polls.
- 23:03This proves 1. They're printing money.
- 23:06They really don't need to tax you explicitly.
- 23:09And again, that, that that first point, I want to emphasize, it
- 23:14is not a coincidence that the Federal Reserve in the United
- 23:18States was established the same year that the federal income tax
- 23:25was introduced. Why was the federal income tax
- 23:29introduced 1913, the same year as the federal as the Federal
- 23:35Reserve, the central bank in the United States?
- 23:38That's a very, very big coincidence anyways, #2, that
- 23:43inflation itself is a stealth tax that can be imposed without
- 23:47any legislation or transparency. The mechanics of money are going
- 23:51to become way more obvious to people going forward.
- 23:55Jimmy makes some really good points.
- 23:58Here's Samsung Mau. Samsung Mau is dedicating his
- 24:00time to the global adoption of Bitcoin.
- 24:03He says the current Argentinian government's ploy to abolish
- 24:06income tax and prevent Malay from being elected president
- 24:10just accelerates the failure of the legacy system.
- 24:13If they can abolish it in an instant, they can reinstate it
- 24:16in an instant. I hope the people of Argentina
- 24:19can see through it, move on to the next one.
- 24:22Here is Brandon. He goes on to say Argentina's
- 24:24president just eliminated the income tax right before the
- 24:27presidential election. It's a way to keep the peso
- 24:30around. If Malay wins the election, got
- 24:33to have a local currency to the pace it if you don't have tax
- 24:36taxes, complete poison pill. And then not to mention to to
- 24:41point out how terrified these part these people are of a
- 24:45libertarian candidate saying that he wants to end the central
- 24:49Bank of Argentina. And again, you have to see it
- 24:52from their perspective. What is their perspective?
- 24:55When you take away the money printer, when you take away
- 25:00Argentina's government's ability to print money that the rest of
- 25:04Argentina has to work for, right?
- 25:08Guess what happens? The government can no longer
- 25:11spend money they don't have. So a lot of these people that
- 25:16depend their livelihoods, a lot of these politicians that depend
- 25:20on being able to print money, it goes away.
- 25:24So they're literally fighting for their lives.
- 25:27This is why this is where the desperation comes from.
- 25:30But again, they're printing money at the expense of the
- 25:34public, specifically the lower and middle classes that don't
- 25:38have the means to save in assets, therefore they save in
- 25:41Fiat money. They for, they for therefore
- 25:43they get poorer every time they print money anyways.
- 25:47So they're changing the rules, literally saying if you vote for
- 25:52me, I'm, I'm eliminating all income tax.
- 25:55Do you imagine if that happened in the United States?
- 25:57I bet you we're not that far off, to be honest with you.
- 26:03Check this out prosecutor files case against Argentina's
- 26:06frontrunner Javier Miley days before presidential election.
- 26:11It goes on to say a prosecutor launched a criminal case Friday
- 26:15against Argentina's frontrunner in this month's presidential
- 26:18elections, accusing Javier Miley of deliberately causing a drop
- 26:21in the Argentine currency when he encouraged citizens not to
- 26:25save in pesos. Like, so, like, but like.
- 26:29Think about how fucking crazy that is, right?
- 26:33Think about how crazy that is If you're just an average, everyday
- 26:40Argentine and you're trying to put food on the table for your
- 26:44family. What they want you to do is keep
- 26:50your money in pesos, even though it's currently going through
- 26:56100% inflation. And this person who's running
- 27:00for office is literally saying maybe that's not a good idea,
- 27:04maybe you should protect your savings.
- 27:07And they're charging him with the crime for doing that.
- 27:11Ladies and gentlemen, that is Fiat money for you.
- 27:15That is it. It's a great example of what
- 27:18what this is. And it also tells you that this
- 27:21person is right under over the target.
- 27:24And remember, I wonder what forces are supporting the
- 27:28opposition. Remember what happened when the
- 27:30IMF bailed out Argentina. Once again, one of the
- 27:35conditions that they gave Argentina the Argentinian
- 27:38government, is that they had to de incentivize the adoption of
- 27:44Bitcoin. They don't want using.
- 27:46To use Christine Lagarde's own words, they don't want people
- 27:50using. The escape valve here is a
- 27:53headline article which we've read you guys article when it
- 27:56came out it was about it's about a year old Argentine Congress
- 27:59approves IMF debt deal that would discourage crypto use.
- 28:06So they're charging like think about how crazy this is right?
- 28:10The IMF gives a deal to Argentina.
- 28:14It's saying no, no, no, no, no. People have to use the local
- 28:17currency even though it's going through 100% inflation.
- 28:20And the Argentine, An Argentine prosecutor is literally charging
- 28:26a political opponent who's currently leading to win the
- 28:31presidential election with the crime because he's telling
- 28:36people not to save in a currency that is currently dealing with
- 28:40is currently enduring 100% inflation.
- 28:43What type of excuse MY language fucking world do we live in?
- 28:47This is utter madness. This is insanity.
- 28:52But the good news is that through this insanity,
- 28:55transparency comes like Jimmy Song pointed out, like it's all
- 28:59being revealed. The curtain is being pulled back
- 29:02and people are starting to realize, and most importantly,
- 29:06they're asking the question, what is money?
- 29:09What is this money? And normally what would happen
- 29:13in these situations, right? If you look at history, is that
- 29:17it just breaks down. People start to remember the
- 29:20lessons of the past and they start to see the value of sound
- 29:24money once again. And then that sound money
- 29:28standard gets reinstated and then over time it gets
- 29:32corrupted. It gets chipped at, you know,
- 29:34over the decades, right? For 1971, the US, the US was on
- 29:39a gold standard, right? And then over time, you know,
- 29:42they started cutting corners and they said, OK, no, back to paper
- 29:45money, OK. But this time it's different
- 29:50because this time we have Bitcoin and Bitcoin can't be
- 29:53corrupted, right. So I really think that a
- 29:57percentage of people, not all people, I think this is going to
- 30:00be a multi generational learning experience because a lot of
- 30:04people have spent the majority of their lives in the Fiat
- 30:08matrix. They're used to living in a
- 30:10world where the government issues the money and they're
- 30:13comfortable with that and the convenience of the legacy
- 30:16system, especially if you live in a world with developed
- 30:19financial rails, Very, very interesting times.
- 30:22But you could see the system fighting for its life, right?
- 30:26Whether it's the IMF, whether it's the supporters of the
- 30:29central bank in Argentina. You're seeing that they're
- 30:33willing to do everything and anything in order to maintain
- 30:36that privilege. And that reminds me of, and then
- 30:40I'll pass it on to Opti and Terrence.
- 30:42That reminds me of this article written by President Nayan
- 30:45Bouqueli. And it really, really reminds me
- 30:49of this specific passage that I've read to you guys many times
- 30:52on simply Bitcoin. As the most vocal retractors,
- 30:56the ones who are afraid and pressuring us to reverse our
- 30:58decision, are the world's most powerful leads and the people
- 31:01who work or work for benefit from them.
- 31:04They used to own everything. In a way they still do the
- 31:06media, the banks, the NGOs, the international organizations, and
- 31:10almost all the governments and corporations in the world.
- 31:13And with that, of course, they also own the armies, the loans,
- 31:16the money supply, the credit ratings, the narrative, the
- 31:19propaganda, the factories, the food supply.
- 31:21They control international trade and international law, but their
- 31:24most powerful weapon is the control of the truth.
- 31:28And they're willing to fight, lie, smear, destroy, censor,
- 31:33confiscate, print and do whatever it takes to maintain
- 31:38and increase their control over the truth and everything and
- 31:42everyone. So this is nuts.
- 31:46I, I, I really, I really do believe in that theory.
- 31:49We are living through a fourth Turning everyone.
- 31:51This is the 4th Turning. This is the battle of our
- 31:54generation. You're going to have to choose
- 31:57what side are you on? Are you on the side of Bitcoin
- 32:01freedom? Are you on the part on on the
- 32:02side of the party of Orange? Or are you on the side of the
- 32:06party of Green, The party of Fiat, nihilism, slavery,
- 32:10poverty, censorship, control. It is not left verse right,
- 32:15ladies and gentlemen, it is Orange verse Green.
- 32:19Anyways, that's my take on today, Opti.
- 32:23Let's start with you and then we'll move on to Terrence.
- 32:25Yeah. So I'm very glad that you
- 32:28brought up the naive Buchelli article.
- 32:30Of course, I reference it all the time because I've been
- 32:32saying this for a long, long time before naive Buchelli even
- 32:36wrote that article. And we understand, especially
- 32:38you guys that watch the show constantly.
- 32:40We understand what happens in the corporate press and the
- 32:43manipulation by, as Parker Lewis was saying, and we'll probably
- 32:46steal that the government press, they constantly use the
- 32:49legitimacy of their media corporations to push narratives.
- 32:53And the surprising thing for me is, you know, we've been talking
- 32:57about how long can they kick the can down the road.
- 33:00We've we've had these conversations with some of the
- 33:02macro heavyweights. I had some of these
- 33:04conversations with the macro heavyweights at Pacific Bitcoin
- 33:07and we basically asked them and we constantly ask ourselves two
- 33:11questions. Do people care about hard money?
- 33:13And then the other one is, how long can they kick the count
- 33:17down the road and and how many tricks do they have up their
- 33:19sleeve? Well, guys, we're just seeing in
- 33:21real time what some of those tricks can be.
- 33:23They will try to roll out their own politicians and gain favor
- 33:26to the masses because they don't know what's going on.
- 33:29And then of course, as we saw in the US.
- 33:31They will create all kinds of bogus, you know, arrest warrants
- 33:36and all that stuff to basically smear people's reputations.
- 33:40And we're seeing what the game is, is of course things are
- 33:44unraveling. They are losing the monopoly on
- 33:47truth or information rather, and they're scared.
- 33:50And if they weren't doing this, if they weren't trying to smear
- 33:54melee, then it wouldn't be as obvious that we are above the
- 33:58target like melee. Is obviously a very popular
- 34:04candidate right now and people are starting to resonate with
- 34:06his message. And he is seemingly offering
- 34:09some solutions that the IMF, that the Argentinian government,
- 34:13that the powers that be, the unproductive parasite class,
- 34:15whatever you want to call them, are not fond of.
- 34:17Because they understand that if people catch on like they have
- 34:21in El Salvador, like it's starting to have everywhere
- 34:23around the world, their control is completely, completely
- 34:27decimated because all they really have right now.
- 34:30Is that monopoly on truth? All they have right now is, as
- 34:34we've read, and I constantly read from the white paper, the
- 34:37trust of the average person right now, The whole financial
- 34:40world. The whole world as of now is
- 34:42just built on a thin layer of trust.
- 34:45And as long as the people in power and along as the people in
- 34:47suits, as long as the people on the television still have some
- 34:50semblance of a decent reputation, they still have the
- 34:53trust of the people. Then they can continue to
- 34:55hoodwink people. And we constantly see.
- 34:57That they pull the wool over people's eyes and they don't
- 35:01have your best intentions in mind.
- 35:03As I've been saying lately, you know, anytime you hear public
- 35:06welfare public good, just know that that doesn't involve you.
- 35:09That is, that is totally, totally a code word for friends
- 35:13and business interests. And though it is rolled out, as
- 35:17you know, we're doing this for the the good of society, well,
- 35:20we're seeing in real time. That they are doing anything in
- 35:23their power to maintain that power.
- 35:25And of course they do have the monopoly on violence.
- 35:28They do have the corporate press on their side.
- 35:31And so they're doing whatever they can to make sure that the
- 35:34Bitcoin cat does not get out of the bag.
- 35:36Or rather the libertarian freedom minded movement that
- 35:39we're seeing. Because I've been saying for a
- 35:40while, I really do believe that the pendulum is swinging the
- 35:43opposite way. Have we seen Pete Clown World?
- 35:46I don't believe so yet, but we are seeing that there's cracks
- 35:49in the veneer and people are waking up.
- 35:52And they're wondering what the hell is going on.
- 35:54They're asking these questions. And the more people ask these
- 35:57questions, the more inflation rises, the more the dystopian
- 36:01control mechanisms get rolled out, the more people, in my
- 36:04opinion, will wake up and look for an alternative.
- 36:07And like we like Nico said, if there is a level playing field
- 36:10between the dollar or rather the peso and Bitcoin or a CBDC in
- 36:14Bitcoin, most people I think. Will take the leap and
- 36:18understand that freedom money is the way and that they need
- 36:20something outside of the control of their governments.
- 36:22And and again I say it all the time, anytime a government goes
- 36:25to ban Bitcoin, obviously this isn't like a full on ban on
- 36:28Bitcoin, but it is still stifling the conversation in
- 36:32regards to what we talk about all the time.
- 36:33It just goes to show that we're right.
- 36:35And I know it's been a long bear market and if you're new you may
- 36:38have had some doubts and you're wondering man am I right.
- 36:41I thought Bitcoin price was going to go up.
- 36:43Well, this type of signal. Is what I like to see to know
- 36:47that we are correct that freedom, money will proliferate,
- 36:50that more and more people are waking up to the tyrannical
- 36:55control and and psychopathic mechanisms that they will roll
- 36:58out. Because this is all they're
- 37:00doing. They're trying to stifle
- 37:01freedom, they're trying to control you and they will use
- 37:05anything in their in their tool belt.
- 37:08To do this and we're seeing some of this stuff happen and I know
- 37:10we're talking about Argentina, but eventually we will see this
- 37:13happen in other first world countries.
- 37:15We're seeing what's happening in the UK, we're seeing what what's
- 37:18happening in the US And it just goes to show guys, be prepared,
- 37:23get your ducks in an order and understand that nothing is too
- 37:26appalling for these people to maintain control.
- 37:28What do we say? They will not go lightly into
- 37:31that dark night. So just prepare yourself and
- 37:33and. You know, as much as we know,
- 37:34Bitcoin is a peaceful revolution and we want this transition to
- 37:37happen as slowly and as safely as possible.
- 37:40It is not above these people to do some crazy stuff to continue
- 37:44to maintain control. And it's just something to be
- 37:46aware of. And that I think what's the most
- 37:48glaring aspect of this is just how blatant the tools they are
- 37:52using Now it's it's no longer, you know, like sharp, sharp
- 37:56scalpels. They're just like literally
- 37:58taking chainsaws that control this stuff and it's really mind
- 38:01blowing anyways. Terence jump in.
- 38:03I mean, you guys said it. Well, I I just hope that Malay
- 38:07has a army of bodyguards around him because I mean, look, I mean
- 38:12even look here, like look at RFK Junior, right, who had to go
- 38:15independent and everyone knows he's a Bitcoiner and they're
- 38:18scared of him. And you know, they wouldn't give
- 38:20him the typical Secret Service that every presidential
- 38:24candidate has always had, you know, from the history of time
- 38:26until now. But now, you know, we're talking
- 38:28about AG 20 country, we're talking about.
- 38:32You know something the, you know, 7 to 8 times the size of
- 38:35El Salvador. So it we knew it wouldn't go
- 38:38without a fight. And you said it well when you
- 38:41said something to the point of like they wouldn't be going
- 38:43through this trouble if they didn't think he was a real risk.
- 38:46I my money's still on him. He just needs to stay safe,
- 38:50yeah, 100% and and and the, the, the IT, it's so interesting what
- 38:55you said about RFK. His family has a history.
- 39:00Two members of his family have been assassinated and they don't
- 39:04give him a security detail well. And John Junior or whatever the
- 39:09plane crash. I mean, maybe that's a
- 39:11conspiracy theory, but there's another one.
- 39:13A what's the the famous quote? I always say it's not my quote,
- 39:16by the way, but there is no conspiracies.
- 39:19But there's also no coincidences.
- 39:22And there's been a whole lot of coincidences as of late.
- 39:25Coin Telegraph, reportedly. All right, so I'm just so
- 39:30curious. We're gonna report on that
- 39:31tomorrow, guys. We're gonna have a follow up for
- 39:34what their reasoning was for that tweet.
- 39:37Anyways, Opti, you pulled up, you buried the lead, brother.
- 39:40You pulled up a really good tweet regarding Max and Stacey.
- 39:44I wanted to read it on air for everybody, 'cause I think I had
- 39:47some signal. It's by it's by Jenks.
- 39:50It's that wise, Jenks, he says. I saw Max and Stacey in New York
- 39:53on Friday and they said that Javier is essentially screwed,
- 39:56even if it even if he becomes president, because he can't
- 40:00circumvent the agreement with the IMF.
- 40:05So who really controls Argentina?
- 40:08Who really controls the world? Oh man, oh man, oh man.
- 40:13And where is the IMF headquartered?
- 40:15I might add in Washington DC in the Imperial City.
- 40:19Oh man, this is some this is some crazy times ladies and
- 40:23gentlemen. Buckle in, Stay humble, stack
- 40:25sats, take your Bitcoin into into self custody.
- 40:29Stay solvent like the Kingo said and buckle up because this is
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- 42:39Opti, sorry to have you, yeah. Yeah yeah, you're so rude.
- 42:41Anyways, anyways, I'm just checking Terence before we get
- 42:44into the conversation of today. Everyone loves a good rabbit
- 42:47hole story. Everyone loves to know how you
- 42:50became a bitcoiner. So let's just start there.
- 42:52How, or rather maybe even when did you become a bitcoiner and
- 42:56and what is leading you up to this point?
- 42:59OK, I'm going to try to shorten this because looking back it, it
- 43:03definitely evolved over time. So the the TLDR is that I'm in
- 43:09the movie and television industry and.
- 43:12I work with a lot of people that make a lot of money very
- 43:16quickly, but they also go through long patches of making
- 43:21nothing. Most everyone in my industry
- 43:24that they don't have W twos. They can't get mortgages for
- 43:27houses, even though if you looked at the amount of money
- 43:30that they actually pulled in, you'd be like what?
- 43:32You're kidding me. So I started to notice that
- 43:34there was some kind of problem with.
- 43:38Money from just even a real estate level that so many of my
- 43:41friends and colleagues, my staff, my crew couldn't afford
- 43:44houses. So that led me down a path of
- 43:49how to fix real estate for them. I formed a even though I was
- 43:53still in Hollywood, I formed a mortgage company and it became a
- 43:57sort of a boutique company that writes mortgages, which to this
- 44:01day is still fairly successful for people in Hollywood.
- 44:04Actors, directors, executives, whatever.
- 44:08Going through that process, you see everybody's statements and
- 44:12you see their assets and you see that they're all chasing the
- 44:16side hustles. They are all looking for a
- 44:19second job to preserve their first job, which it's sort of
- 44:24distorts what their tool set is and their experiences and and
- 44:28everything that they've worked for because now they're having
- 44:31to go into areas that they don't understand, right?
- 44:33And there's sort of this. Decision fatigue that I was
- 44:36noticing where people were like, you know, do I try to get
- 44:40Airbnb's? Do I do a side business?
- 44:42Do I do something online with SCO?
- 44:44You know, what stock should I invest in?
- 44:47And it's just like one big casino.
- 44:49And this is things that a lot of us bitcoiners know.
- 44:51But you know, pre Bitcoin, I wasn't aware of that and I
- 44:55leaned into it. I was total a Fiat, bro.
- 44:58I you know, I've written a couple of books.
- 45:01Before Bitcoin, where I was like, oh, this is the best way
- 45:04to create a side hustle. Here's how you can have passive
- 45:06income and here's how you can Crowdsource this.
- 45:09And I wrote this book for accredited investors which did
- 45:14really well. But you know, I almost cringe at
- 45:16now because it's it's an entirely rent seeking book.
- 45:19It's like how to buy liens and how to do, you know,
- 45:22mortgage-backed securities and how to invest in artwork and
- 45:26alcohol, whiskey barrels and all kinds of stuff.
- 45:30And that stuff still works. It's just that there there's
- 45:33risk. You have to learn a whole new
- 45:35set of skills and you're putting risk on top of risk.
- 45:40And so being Fiat minded. I read Ben Mesrick's book
- 45:46Bitcoin Billionaires. So it started there, which is
- 45:49sort of part of my sort of overall thesis with ways to to
- 45:54orange pill Bitcoin, which we can get into later.
- 45:56But that story is so powerful. So I read that story about about
- 46:01the Winklevi, the Winklevoss twins, and it was basically
- 46:04their second act from, you know, Mark Zuckerberg basically taking
- 46:07Facebook from them. And this is sort of the second
- 46:09act of how they're taking it back with Bitcoin, which is why
- 46:12I find it ironic that they created Gemini and then Mark
- 46:15Zuckerberg creates Libra at the time.
- 46:18It's like he's always copying from them.
- 46:21But, so that's what first got me started.
- 46:23But still just from a number go up technology just like all of
- 46:26us and just like all of us. I also was enamoured by crypto
- 46:29because all I would think about are you know, I'd look at it as
- 46:31like a tech stocks. I didn't fully understand it,
- 46:35but that's what got me going. And it was at the end of 2017,
- 46:39It was November of 2017, the price was 11,700 and someone.
- 46:46Somewhat of a famous comedian. I don't think he wants me to
- 46:50dox. Him was telling me I need to buy
- 46:52Bitcoin, I need to buy Bitcoin. Unfortunately, he also told me
- 46:56Bitcoin is kind of like Microsoft and Ethereum is like
- 46:58Apple, so buy some Bitcoin. But man, Ethereum is.
- 47:02That's where all the changes are going to be made and that's the
- 47:05innovation and that's the big upside.
- 47:07So I went through all of that, and I.
- 47:13I I wanted to experience everything.
- 47:15So fortunately or unfortunately, I was.
- 47:18I did everything. Every exchange, every lending
- 47:21thing. I mean, I I had loans out on
- 47:23Nexo and Block Fi and I had accounts at every single one of
- 47:28these places. Fortunately, I learned quickly
- 47:30enough to get out of all of that stuff and I did not get wrecked
- 47:33at all. And it definitely made me a
- 47:34maximalist. And because of it, I definitely
- 47:36own more Bitcoin than I ever would have.
- 47:38Because. Of learning that process where
- 47:41it's like on day one I think I bought 100 bucks of Bitcoin and
- 47:44I was so excited and I called my comedian friend and I was like,
- 47:47yeah, I got 100. I got 100 Bitcoin and he thought
- 47:49I bought 100 bitcoins. He's like, Oh my God, it's
- 47:51amazing. I'm like no 100 bucks.
- 47:52And I don't think he laughed at me.
- 47:54But so starting out, yes, just like all of us, it was, it was
- 47:58completely Fiat minded. Then I immediately said, well, I
- 48:02need to learn about this technology.
- 48:04This was a time when some of the older bit corners remember that
- 48:07there was this whole narrative and and even big influencers
- 48:09like Mark Moss and stuff, they were like saying, Oh no, it's
- 48:11blockchain, not Bitcoin. I was like oh and you know
- 48:15people like Guy Swan even I think it was crypto Audible, you
- 48:18know, or you know, even that Burnell, it's coin stories.
- 48:21It wasn't Bitcoin stories. Like we all didn't know.
- 48:23We were all still figuring it out and.
- 48:29So I started grabbing a couple of books and I read some of the
- 48:33more popular books. Oh, I say read, but I didn't get
- 48:35through them and I was having a tough time.
- 48:38And even though I have a a back, I mean I went to Business School
- 48:41and I have a background and all of that I it just was too dense
- 48:45for me. It was either they were either
- 48:47too technical because it was coming from the the computer
- 48:51science coding world, or it was just too much economics.
- 48:54Just the. By the way, going back to those
- 48:58books, they're genius. So it's probably me.
- 49:00I'm probably the idiot, but it just, I wanted something that
- 49:03made more sense. And so that's when I said I want
- 49:05to write a book. But also being a writer, I also
- 49:08know that often times you write to synthesize your own thoughts.
- 49:12You write when you want to learn more about that subject.
- 49:14It's like, I forget the quote, maybe it's Mark Twain, someone
- 49:17who said, like, you know, you don't write what you know, you
- 49:19write what you want to know. And I wanted to.
- 49:22Understand Bitcoin on a deeper, deeper level because when you're
- 49:25writing, you know, you're broadcasting, you know, you're
- 49:27putting yourself out there for everyone to see and critique.
- 49:31And so it makes you research to find the first principal level
- 49:34of everything where someone will say something about Bitcoin.
- 49:37Where did that come from? Where did that come from?
- 49:38Like, boom, boom, boom, boom. And you're like, oh, now I get
- 49:42it. So that's how I became a
- 49:44bitcoiner. And that's what led me to my
- 49:46book and. By writing the book, writing it
- 49:50for normal people, for people that are into mostly, you know,
- 49:54I wrote it on my Terrance for audio listeners.
- 49:56What is the name of the book? Oh, sorry.
- 49:58It's called Proof of Money. My thesis is that we've never
- 50:01had money until Bitcoin. Everything up until then has
- 50:04been a coupon. We've tried.
- 50:06It's been a surrogate. We've been looking for money our
- 50:08whole life. We've been marching up this hill
- 50:10to plant the flag on on the Money Hill, and we came close
- 50:14with gold. But.
- 50:16Even gold with we found out has failed and is not complete
- 50:20perfect money because this is the first time in human history,
- 50:22as we all know where we've engineered something
- 50:25specifically to be money. We've never had money we just
- 50:29had to to choose something right for barter and you know we know
- 50:32the monetary history. I don't need to go into that in
- 50:34this in this show, so writing that I thought who are so many
- 50:42people that are close to Bitcoin.
- 50:44But don't get Bitcoin. And I'm like, OK, real estate
- 50:47for sure. Tons of people that are in real
- 50:49estate, tons of people that are into stocks, people that are
- 50:52into side hustles, people that are into starting businesses,
- 50:55VCs. So I wrote it for people more
- 50:59that already sort of have money, not people that are seeing the
- 51:02problem. You know, I didn't write it for
- 51:04the third world countries and the global South and all the
- 51:06places we see that definitely need Bitcoin and where, you
- 51:09know, I'm so happy to see that it's growing from the bottom up.
- 51:12But I just thought. You know, it's something that
- 51:15Corey Clipston has mentioned a couple times.
- 51:17In fact, it was the the title of his opening speech at Pacific
- 51:19Book Coin Festival where he said, you know, hey, we need
- 51:22more Bitcoin podcast. And everyone laughed.
- 51:24I laughed too. I thought, OK, where's this
- 51:26going? But he's it's basically like,
- 51:28look, we're all different gateways.
- 51:29We're all different doors for our circles, for our people, our
- 51:32our networks. And it's OK, we do need more.
- 51:36You look at traditional finance and it's like, what are their
- 51:3810? 1000, you know, finance books
- 51:40and stock books and you know there's probably less than 100
- 51:43Bitcoin books. So as many as there were.
- 51:45And as much as I was reticent to even get the book out because
- 51:49I'm like, God, like I'm not I'm not safe a Dean.
- 51:51I'm not this person. I'm not that person that's like,
- 51:53but well, it's OK. I'm going to say it in a
- 51:55different way and in my way and So what I do with in film and
- 51:58television, I I. I do a thing we call shaving
- 52:02syllables, and I just really tried to make it as nutrient
- 52:05dense as possible. It's 21 chapters, each chapter's
- 52:0821 minutes, and just getting down to its core and thinking of
- 52:12the best metaphors and analogies to get people there hell.
- 52:17Anyways, yeah, that I think I went past your question.
- 52:20Sorry, dude, That's. Great.
- 52:22That's good. Amazing.
- 52:24I'm so glad that you came on the show, by the way, guys.
- 52:26If you want to get a copy of Terence's book, check the video
- 52:30description. I put a link to Amazon.
- 52:33You can go straight there. You can get a copy of the book.
- 52:37Opti. I can I can I jump in?
- 52:39Yeah, dude. OK.
- 52:41So I just want to say you mentioned something about Guy
- 52:44Swan, Nat and and basically starting in crypto that is the
- 52:51case with 99% of bitcoiners. I don't think there's any shame
- 52:55in that. I, what I call it, is paying the
- 52:58price of tuition. I think it's an inevitable kind
- 53:03of thing that you have to go through.
- 53:05You have to burn your finger on the metaphorical stove and then
- 53:10you end up with less Bitcoin that you probably could have
- 53:13had. And then you learn your lesson.
- 53:17It's Bitcoin, not crypto, right? So that is one.
- 53:20I've seen that happen 100 times. Your story is absolutely
- 53:25fascinating. It is so cool.
- 53:27When you were talking and you were explaining this, I, I, I, I
- 53:30kind of was getting these ideas. Bitcoin could fix this, couldn't
- 53:35it? Could you make You can make that
- 53:36argument right? Absolutely.
- 53:38Yeah. And so that's how I that's why I
- 53:40had to go down my own rabbit hole, as we all say, and figure
- 53:44out, OK, So what does that mean? And where I got stuck was that,
- 53:49you know, I would learn about, I learned about mining, I learned
- 53:53about energy. And that was fantastic.
- 53:55And I thought, OK, well, that's one aspect that's great for all
- 53:59my Hollywood people. Like even if they don't care
- 54:01about money, even if they don't want bitcoins, like you guys are
- 54:03such bleeding heart left. Liberals that want to clean the
- 54:08planet, you say, like, Oh my God, I want to clean the planet.
- 54:10I want the planet to be better, safe, better place was like, OK,
- 54:13well, what's the tool for that? What are you doing?
- 54:14And it's like, wait a minute, here's a way.
- 54:17So when I learned about, like, you know, methane mitigation and
- 54:20landfills and farms and agriculture and flaring and
- 54:24sighs like, Oh my God, like my my brain just went like that.
- 54:28So I was like, OK, that's one great way to orange peel people,
- 54:31even if they don't even want Bitcoin or care about Bitcoin.
- 54:34And then another thing that was happening when I first got into
- 54:37Bitcoin is the narrative was Bitcoin is digital gold.
- 54:43In retrospect, looking back, I get it, and it's a great
- 54:46comparison. But I don't know about you guys,
- 54:48but I don't know anyone who owns gold.
- 54:50I mean, and even my parents who are obviously much older than
- 54:53me, that they've never owned gold.
- 54:56I mean, maybe some friends have had some given to them by a
- 54:59grammar or something. But it's like, so I had to like,
- 55:01relearn about gold. And then I thought.
- 55:04This isn't a great way to orange peel people saying that it's
- 55:07digital gold because they don't relate to it.
- 55:09They don't have gold. So that was one thing that I
- 55:15thought, you know, I don't know, I I thought we should stop
- 55:19saying that unless you're talking to like, you know, a
- 55:21prepper or or or a boomer and someone who's into guns and
- 55:25silos and, you know, got a bunch of food in the basement.
- 55:31Also another thing was that. When I was right, when I was
- 55:34writing the book, I think it was Greg Foster, a bunch of other
- 55:37people were saying, like, oh, Bitcoin is insurance, right?
- 55:40And again, in retrospect, I get that, but it's like, I feel like
- 55:44that's a terrible way to Orange Peel people because so for me,
- 55:47it's like insurance. Like I don't want insurance.
- 55:50We we pay for it because we have to have it.
- 55:52It's an expense we make. We're like, we have to pay for
- 55:55health insurance, earthquake, fire cars.
- 55:57Like, I don't want to get in a car accident.
- 55:59I don't want my house to burn down.
- 56:01And it's like. You know, when the smartphone
- 56:03came along, I didn't stick that in a closet and say, well, if my
- 56:07landline blows up, I've got this insurance over here, you know,
- 56:12You know, we didn't, we didn't, we didn't get PDF software that
- 56:16came out. And then we thought, well, we're
- 56:18going to just set that on our desktop.
- 56:20And if my fax machine blows up, I'll use that.
- 56:22It's like, no, Bitcoin is the upgrade.
- 56:25Bitcoin is the improvement. It's not insurance.
- 56:28It's assurance, right? It's financial assurance and so.
- 56:33You know, that was one thing. I mean, Foss and I got in a
- 56:36little argument on Twitter over, which was fine.
- 56:37He was gracious and we just agreed to disagree.
- 56:40But I'm just like, I don't think that's a great way to to orange
- 56:44peel people and tell them that it's insurance.
- 56:46You know, if I tell my friends it's insurance, it's like I
- 56:48don't want to have to pay for insurance.
- 56:49Oh wait, this is another monthly expense I have to make.
- 56:51And that's only if something bad happens.
- 56:54Oh, I live in the United States, everything feels fine.
- 56:56So. But I feel like the digital
- 57:00going, the digital gold route, unless someone's a gold bug,
- 57:03isn't super helpful at first because if they don't have gold,
- 57:06why are they going to say, well now I want the digital version
- 57:08of something I don't have and then same with insurance.
- 57:14And then a third thing is that, and and this sounds so basic to
- 57:17us because we're, we're bitcoiners now, but it's like
- 57:20inflation, right? It's like.
- 57:22We know what inflation is. We get what inflation is
- 57:25finally, you know, because of COVID, at least of late here in
- 57:29modernity, we're now feeling the inflation.
- 57:31It, you know, at least here in the, you know, Western, more
- 57:34privileged states. But even when you talk about it,
- 57:37and even when they say great, that $10 beer is now 12 bucks,
- 57:40whatever, like it's still, it's still, it's still too small to
- 57:43them. They still don't understand it.
- 57:44So I tried to explain it this way.
- 57:49Which I I explained it in a tweet once and and Peter
- 57:52Dunsworth who I totally look up to, he's like, Oh my God.
- 57:55That was the best way I've ever heard inflation explained.
- 57:58He's like please tell more people like that.
- 58:00So I, I use this sort of metaphor where I say look like
- 58:04there's this pizza that represents our world.
- 58:07This is our the gross domestic product.
- 58:09This is our all of our products all our services.
- 58:12Here's this pizza. OK, and let's give it 10 slices
- 58:15and you opti you have a you have title to one slice.
- 58:19You, Niko, you have title one slice.
- 58:20I have title one slice. OK, so we each have 10%
- 58:25ownership, right? One of 10 slices of the network,
- 58:28right? The the gross domestic product
- 58:30network we each have 10%. Let's say I make swimming pools
- 58:34and Niko, you say, hey, I want a swimming pool.
- 58:36I'm going to say great, that's going to cost a slice.
- 58:39I know for the labor I have to hire to build the swimming pool
- 58:43to to feed my family everything. I want the calories and the
- 58:46quantity. I want the amount of cheese and.
- 58:49Pineapple and everything that's on that slice to come to me.
- 58:52So I want that one slice. The government comes in and they
- 58:57when they inflate because you know money means nothing.
- 59:02Let let's just redefine that inflation.
- 59:04When they inflate they basically re slice that pizza.
- 59:07OK, so let's say they came through every slice mark, and
- 59:09now it's not ten slices, it's 20.
- 59:13Well, we all have title to one slice, so you walk to Unico me,
- 59:17we now have 5% of the network because they've just inflated.
- 59:21They've just printed money. So we still have a one slice,
- 59:25but we have half the amount of calories.
- 59:27So now the swimming pool that I'm building for Unico, I'm
- 59:29like, hey, it's going to have to give me two slices.
- 59:33I'm not asking for any more, but I am counting on the amount of
- 59:37calories that were coming from one that's, you know now 2
- 59:41slices. And so when you think about it
- 59:46in terms of that, that's really what inflation is doing because
- 59:49the government that inflates and just puts paper dollars in out
- 59:53of thin air, which mean nothing. The goods and services are
- 59:55staying the same. They're not doing anything, but
- 59:58that's what happens to us. So that's how we feel it.
- 1:00:01And when I talk to people in terms of inflation that way, it
- 1:00:05it makes sense to them. It's like oh, why?
- 1:00:07So now I'm going to need more slices of this pizza to pay for
- 1:00:10that swimming pool. Not that we need more analogies
- 1:00:15and more metaphors for this. We all have our ways of of
- 1:00:18telling these things. But I try to think in you know,
- 1:00:22in terms of that you know and another thing that I like to
- 1:00:25tell people that don't quite understand Bitcoin.
- 1:00:28And again, it's so simple to us because we get Bitcoin is.
- 1:00:33And this was something Tomer put in the daily Bitcoin or which I
- 1:00:38thought which was amazingly generous of him.
- 1:00:40But I said, you know, imagine that there, you know, we all
- 1:00:44know what dollars are in every country.
- 1:00:46You know, all 180 countries want our dollar.
- 1:00:48Imagine there's $21 million. Forget about Bitcoin, there's
- 1:00:51just dollars And that's all there are in the entire world.
- 1:00:55There's never going to be more dollars.
- 1:00:57That's it, right? We get dollars.
- 1:00:59So imagine what $1.00 could be worth.
- 1:01:04Like is it worth a college education, a business, a house,
- 1:01:092 houses? If we lose a dollar, if someone
- 1:01:13rips up a dollar, there's not going to be another dollar.
- 1:01:15There's no printing is gone. It just starts off with 21
- 1:01:19million. So people lose them.
- 1:01:21It gets, it gets corrupted, burns, like that's it.
- 1:01:25And when you talk to people that don't get Bitcoin, just in terms
- 1:01:27of that, they immediately are like.
- 1:01:30Oh wow, I want more dollars. Like dollars are valuable.
- 1:01:33Maybe I shouldn't just waste it on cheap stuff on Amazon that's
- 1:01:37made in China and it's going to end up in a landfill and create
- 1:01:40more methane. And you know maybe I can can
- 1:01:42plan better. Maybe I can save rather than
- 1:01:45spend and and create rather than consume and I don't have to
- 1:01:49gamble. And again, we bitcoiners get
- 1:01:51that, but the Fiat people that haven't crossed over yet need to
- 1:01:56hear it in terms of these dollars.
- 1:01:58And so then it's almost like, OK, great, what if I have this
- 1:02:00magic potion? And that's the upgrade for our
- 1:02:03dollars? And now that is our dollars are
- 1:02:05finite and they are increasing in scarcity because people will
- 1:02:10lose access to them. And it's like, well, guess what?
- 1:02:13That's, that's what Bitcoin is. Like that that's Bitcoin.
- 1:02:18And I think those kinds of things, you know, and began
- 1:02:21using real estate metaphors and there's all kinds of other
- 1:02:23metaphors are more helpful than like going through gold or going
- 1:02:26through insurance or things that people either don't own or don't
- 1:02:30want to have. And I'll shut up for a second in
- 1:02:33case you guys dude. I mean, no, man, This is this is
- 1:02:37phenomenal. This is the point of the culture
- 1:02:39just for TLDR here because being conscious of time.
- 1:02:43Terrence, what would be your TLTLDR for people out there on
- 1:02:47how to orange peel better? We we you ran through your whole
- 1:02:50thought process now what would be the advice to people out
- 1:02:53there? So to me it's sort of like well,
- 1:02:58so the TLDR see where they are and talk to them about where
- 1:03:04they are not where they need to go.
- 1:03:05Don't start talking about memorizing words, don't start
- 1:03:10talking about I would talk to them.
- 1:03:16So I would talk to them about real estate, I would talk to
- 1:03:19them about the number go up technology.
- 1:03:21I would talk to them in terms of if Bitcoin were a dollar, like I
- 1:03:25was just talking about and I feel like that's the best way to
- 1:03:29orange peel them. NGU is always a first step.
- 1:03:33Remember that we all came with NGU.
- 1:03:35So even if we are here for higher principles and better
- 1:03:39ethics and the properties that we know Bitcoin brings with with
- 1:03:42freedom, I think we have to start off with hey bro you know
- 1:03:47you're going to make some money. It's it's going to go up.
- 1:03:49You know, look at it, look look how it's been doing over the
- 1:03:52last 15 years. Look at it on the one year, the
- 1:03:53five year, the 10 year, the 15 year, we're blowing everything
- 1:03:56out of the water and then just stop, let them tiptoe in and
- 1:04:01then you can start saying, ah, let me, let me show you another
- 1:04:04perspective. Let me show you another
- 1:04:05perspective because it's like being at a dinner party and
- 1:04:07everyone's talking about having Binged White Lotus or Game of
- 1:04:10Thrones and they're talking about all these episodes and
- 1:04:12everything and it's so overwhelming.
- 1:04:13I don't even want to watch the show.
- 1:04:14It sounds like too much, but if you just tell me a little bit
- 1:04:17about the concept and like the pilot I'm going to, I'm going to
- 1:04:20go watch it and let me get involved and let me go through
- 1:04:22that journey. Love it.
- 1:04:25Love it. No, Terrence.
- 1:04:26I say the same thing I I stole it from How to Win friends and
- 1:04:30influence and it's like bait the hook for the fish you're trying
- 1:04:32to catch And and and This is why I said in the beginning, I'm I'm
- 1:04:35constantly thinking about OK, how can I communicate this
- 1:04:39message better you know listen to them first and foremost and
- 1:04:42then of course like I really do think bitcoiners have the answer
- 1:04:45and sometimes we just like verbal diarrhea on people and
- 1:04:49it's just too much. It's just like, OK, look bro, I
- 1:04:52I get it. You're interested in this, but.
- 1:04:55I only caught like the first minute before my eyes started
- 1:04:58glazing over. And I know we've all had this
- 1:05:00feeling where you're like, this is the best pitch ever and
- 1:05:03halfway through you can just tell they've tuned out.
- 1:05:05So, Terrence. Really appreciate it.
- 1:05:07You killed it. Everyone's loving it in the
- 1:05:09chat. And this is exactly why we have
- 1:05:12the culture set up the way we do.
- 1:05:14Because the most interesting stories.
- 1:05:16Again, I love the big guys. I love Natalie.
- 1:05:19I love breedlove. I love McCormack.
- 1:05:21You know I love Kaiser. The thing is, because they're
- 1:05:24public persons, public personalities, you hear their
- 1:05:27takes, right? You hear their takes a lot.
- 1:05:30Something that Opti and I have learned over the years is, you
- 1:05:34know, and This is why we have the culture set up the way it
- 1:05:36does. So we bring on bitcoiners from
- 1:05:38all walks of life. And sometimes, you know, those
- 1:05:41bitcoiners have fascinating and interesting stories and very
- 1:05:45unique perspectives that I think are are just like the in the
- 1:05:49chat is going crazy right now, it's it's.
- 1:05:52Phenomenal. The way that you're thinking
- 1:05:53about Terence, the the peaks analogy, I think it was spot on.
- 1:05:57Obviously you have the proof of work, you know with your book
- 1:06:00that's currently available on Amazon guys.
- 1:06:02We have the the description, we have the the link in the video
- 1:06:05description if you guys want to purchase a copy of it.
- 1:06:08So Terence, truly it's been an absolute honor and surprise man
- 1:06:12that that you've come on simply Bitcoin today and we really,
- 1:06:15really appreciated your perspective and and your views
- 1:06:18on Bitcoin, man. They're absolutely fascinating.
- 1:06:22Thank you. Thank you so much for having me,
- 1:06:23guys. It was fun.
- 1:06:24It was way too short, but it was fun.
- 1:06:26We'll, we'll, you know, we'll have you on again.
- 1:06:28Absolutely, 100%. All right, everybody.
- 1:06:30See you tomorrow. Perfect.
- 1:06:32Let's do it. All right, guys, let's, let's,
- 1:06:35let's review some memes and let's do it.
- 1:06:38Here we go, the Daily Meme Review.
- 1:06:52All right guys, you know the deal.
- 1:06:53This is the meme review where you tag me in memes on Twitter
- 1:06:57at simply Bitcoin TV or my personal account at Optimus
- 1:06:59Fields. Tag your own memes.
- 1:07:02Tag your favorite memers. Just make sure you give me the
- 1:07:05tweets so I can give them their credit.
- 1:07:07Also, you can drop them in our telegram group T dot me slash
- 1:07:10simply Bitcoin TV and I look through that every morning to
- 1:07:13get you guys memes. Though sometimes you guys just
- 1:07:16steal memes and don't give people credit.
- 1:07:17I need the tweets, guys. I need the tweets anyways, as
- 1:07:20you can tell from today's show. Tweets of the bullets, Memes of
- 1:07:23the artillery We are in an information war right now.
- 1:07:26You are currently on the frontline soldier so have your
- 1:07:30arguments ready, make sure you are ridiculing the corporate
- 1:07:33press, make sure you are making funnies to keep your friends
- 1:07:36heads in the game and then of course get the cause of actions
- 1:07:38out there. Anyways guys 1st meme is by
- 1:07:41Chris Knight four O 7 AKA Bitcoin Chris and he goes
- 1:07:44hashtag. Few are prepared for Bitcoin and
- 1:07:46you guys got a glimpse of this this morning and we have the
- 1:07:49Bitcoin price in what's it? In linear here 2012 first, first
- 1:07:55cycle, you can see just absolute God candles.
- 1:07:59Again, 2016. It's almost like history doesn't
- 1:08:03repeat, but it rhymes. And again, you know a little
- 1:08:05pump, it goes sideways, Bear market and then of course,
- 1:08:08absolute God candles. We saw it in 2020 even though we
- 1:08:12did the coin. Telegraph candle counters.
- 1:08:15I. Don't know, it's probably it's
- 1:08:17probably like a little one here. No, it doesn't count.
- 1:08:20Anyways, here we are in the current cycle and you can see it
- 1:08:23is almost playing out exactly the same.
- 1:08:25But we have yet to see the God candles and it looks like it's
- 1:08:29going to be around 2025 guys. So buckle up, stack them steps.
- 1:08:33Stay humble. Stacks had to stay solvent
- 1:08:34anyways. Next meme Panties Bitcoin or
- 1:08:37panties for Bitcoin AKA Panties Bitcoin on Twitter.
- 1:08:39And he goes, do you have enough Bitcoin?
- 1:08:41And this is a classic meme. It's like an anime meme where
- 1:08:43he's pulling out a sword and he goes, dude, don't you already
- 1:08:45have enough Bitcoin? And the sword goes.
- 1:08:48Yesterday I sold my chair for. You never.
- 1:08:51Have enough Bitcoin? This is a feeling.
- 1:08:53And it's. Thing, yeah, shouts out to.
- 1:08:55I think it was Roman in the chat.
- 1:08:57He's like, man, when I woke up this morning.
- 1:08:59I had like I was sick to my stomach and I had the feeling of
- 1:09:01I have not stacked enough Bitcoin.
- 1:09:04We've been telling you for a while, do not take your foot off
- 1:09:06the gas. Now is not the time.
- 1:09:09What's the saying? When it's bloodiest on the
- 1:09:12street, that's when you keep stacking.
- 1:09:13Anyways, next meeting wasn't. Bloody this morning, bro.
- 1:09:16Well, it. Was bloody and then it was
- 1:09:18blowing up. You know, it's been, it's been a
- 1:09:21rough bear market. It's been pretty bloody bear
- 1:09:22market. Anyways, this one is sunny Ray
- 1:09:25Com on Twitter and it looks like it's stolen from Reddit.
- 1:09:28And it goes. We got an MPC Wojack here and it
- 1:09:31goes. I don't get why is Bitcoin
- 1:09:33valuable? And we have a bitcoiner here.
- 1:09:34And it goes because it solves problems.
- 1:09:36And then the MPC Wojack goes like what?
- 1:09:39It allows you to make cheap international transactions at a
- 1:09:42very low cost. You can use it as an alternative
- 1:09:44to store your savings. If you don't trust a banking
- 1:09:46system. You can pay for stuff online
- 1:09:47without anyone's permission. You can send uncensible
- 1:09:50messages. You can mine it and monetize
- 1:09:51stranded energy sources. You can even build apps on top
- 1:09:54of it. Chad Bitcoiner.
- 1:09:56In the chat, next one is by Orange Pelap.
- 1:09:59Actually, it's Brian De Mint. He tagged me.
- 1:10:01He posted this as a meme review. He says.
- 1:10:05I'm submitting to the meme review and we got Orange Pelap
- 1:10:07here and goes Hashtag Fiat fixes $5 wrench of tax.
- 1:10:10And we got a picture here and it goes $5 wrench attacks are
- 1:10:14becoming less dangerous over time.
- 1:10:16And $5 wrenches. In 2008, it was one of those big
- 1:10:18ones, the really, really want huge ones that would really hurt
- 1:10:22you. And then $5 wrench in 2012 it's
- 1:10:23smaller, and then in 2016 it's even smaller.
- 1:10:25And then 2020 it's almost tiny. And now in 2025, I'm sure it's
- 1:10:30like literally the ones that you use just to like mess with your,
- 1:10:34your technology, you know, your little gadgets.
- 1:10:36It's absolutely minuscule. It's almost like things are
- 1:10:40getting more expensive. And then the last one shouts
- 1:10:42with my bull rope. I mean, he goes, I love the
- 1:10:43smell of rack bears in the morning.
- 1:10:45And we got a picture here of a crying bloody bear here with
- 1:10:49anvil on its head with the Bitcoin Lego on it.
- 1:10:52This is the vibe this morning. Every single one of us is like,
- 1:10:55oh, have we made it guys? Are we finally going to see
- 1:10:58them? God candles.
- 1:10:59Are we out of the bear market? I don't know, but the bears were
- 1:11:01wrecked this morning, even if it was based on a hot air fake news
- 1:11:05post from Telegram. But hey, just goes to show you
- 1:11:07guys. When the bull begins its run,
- 1:11:11it's going to get crazy. Anyways, drop your meme reviews,
- 1:11:13go on the other side of Nico and we will cover ours live.
- 1:11:17OK, let's do this. I I got AI got this coffee cup,
- 1:11:21my mother's coffee cup here with like, hey, I see yellow in the
- 1:11:24chat. It's got one of the the Greek
- 1:11:26evil eye things and it says good karma on the inside.
- 1:11:30I don't know what they're called.
- 1:11:31I know them as the evil eye protector Yellow Zambula.
- 1:11:38Malaka all right. All right.
- 1:11:42What's your meme movie Square? An empty glass water bottle.
- 1:11:46I think you did that one already.
- 1:11:48Or did you do one with watering? I did one.
- 1:11:49With water, it's different. OK?
- 1:11:51It's totally different. Terence, what is your meme
- 1:11:54score? I think you muted.
- 1:11:58I think you muted. I know.
- 1:12:00I know what that is. I think I know what that is.
- 1:12:03Something from my desk. That's a nerd.
- 1:12:08Miner Oh yeah. That is a supporting the Bitcoin
- 1:12:13hash rate. Have you?
- 1:12:15Got a Bitcoin yet? Have you have you got a block
- 1:12:17yet with it? Nope, but they're telling me
- 1:12:22I've got a chance. I love it, man.
- 1:12:27Well, that's awesome dude. You're supporting supporting the
- 1:12:30hat, bro. If every single human being in
- 1:12:32the world runs, one runs one of those in their home, imagine how
- 1:12:36much. Computational power would be
- 1:12:38contributing, that is. That is a great freaking score.
- 1:12:41It's been a it's been a treat to have you on as a guest, man.
- 1:12:45It really has. OK, everybody, before we get to
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- 1:13:28We just well this was proof of concept.
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- 1:13:41getting an orange one, the next one most likely won't be orange.
- 1:13:45The next shirt, it's going to be different.
- 1:13:46We may, we'll probably keep the hats going because people seem
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- 1:14:08stay tuned for that. Anyways, Opti Q the epic music.
- 1:14:14Sorry guys, I I keep forgetting that I'm in charge of the music.
- 1:14:19All right. All right.
- 1:14:20Let's pull up the scores. First one from Nigel.
- 1:14:24I give the memes the public sacrifice of a point.
- 1:14:28That's a metaphor, YouTube. That's a joke.
- 1:14:32OK, Bitcoin for Canadians. I give the memes a fake out moon
- 1:14:35candle to start the week. All right, love to.
- 1:14:37See it all right. Phil CI give the memes one nerd
- 1:14:41miner for everyone. Absolutely bars Next one by
- 1:14:45Mclovin meme score. Bitcoin to Fiat is like light
- 1:14:49bulbs to candles. Really no comparison.
- 1:14:51Absolutely love that next one. Are we?
- 1:14:55Are we Are we buzzing? All right, that's that's the
- 1:15:02meme score for today. I I have a feeling there's a bit
- 1:15:05of a delay, but there's there's the buzzer.
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- 1:15:22buzzer. The buzzer happens.
- 1:15:23It's it's it's done. It's done.
- 1:15:25Anyways, I wanna thank our very special guest, Terence.
- 1:15:28Thank you so much for joining us today, guys.
- 1:15:31Check. Get a copy of his book.
- 1:15:33Check the video description. Take you directly to Amazon
- 1:15:36where you can get it. Terence has been an absolute
- 1:15:38treat and pleasure for you to come on the show today.
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- 1:15:52you know, anyone could ask you questions about your philosophy.
- 1:15:56I love the pizza analogy, man, that's sticking with me.
- 1:15:59And I love that you picked pizza, because pizza has a very,
- 1:16:02very, very strong, has very strong symbolism and history in
- 1:16:08Bitcoin, right, the 1st. Bitcoin transaction was in
- 1:16:12peaks. I raised to buy 2P John Pizzas
- 1:16:14for 10,000 Bitcoin. So Terence, thank you so much
- 1:16:17for for joining us today. Appreciate it.
- 1:16:19Thank you so much. Yeah, I'll see you over on
- 1:16:21spaces. Awesome.
- 1:16:22Opti, make sure to let them up, guys.
- 1:16:24That was our show. We appreciate you all.
- 1:16:27And we'll be back tomorrow, 12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
- 1:16:31for another episode of Simply Bitcoin Live.
- 1:16:35Peace out, everybody.