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- 0:00Speaker 1: Chapter twelve of My Experiences as an Executioner by James Berry.
- 0:06Speaker 1: This LibriVox recording is in the public domain recording by
- 0:10Speaker 1: Ashley Jane. Chapter twelve, The Press and the Public. I
- 0:16Speaker 1: might almost head this chapter. My critics, for both press
- 0:20Speaker 1: and public are constantly criticizing my doings. The criticism is
- 0:25Speaker 1: generally friendly, though often based on incomplete knowledge of the
- 0:29Speaker 1: facts of the pressmen. I must say that they usually
- 0:33Speaker 1: seem most kindly disposed, and certainly many of them go
- 0:38Speaker 1: to great trouble to extract from me a few statements
- 0:42Speaker 1: which they can spin out into an interview. As a rule,
- 0:47Speaker 1: I dislike these interviews, for I know that my employers
- 0:50Speaker 1: very strongly object to any more sensationalism than is absolutely
- 0:55Speaker 1: necessary being imported into the accounts of executions. Unfortunately, with
- 1:01Speaker 1: many of the papers, sensationalism is the one thing needful,
- 1:06Speaker 1: and when I meet with a really energetic reporter attached
- 1:09Speaker 1: to such a paper, my position is a very difficult one.
- 1:13Speaker 1: If I say little or nothing in answer to his questions,
- 1:17Speaker 1: he may spin a fearful and wonderful yarn out of
- 1:20Speaker 1: his own head and out of the gossip and rumors
- 1:23Speaker 1: which seem to be constantly afloat started, I imagine by needy
- 1:28Speaker 1: penny a Liners. On the other hand, if I submit
- 1:31Speaker 1: to the interview as the best way of keeping it
- 1:34Speaker 1: within bounds, the touches of color which the interviewer generally
- 1:38Speaker 1: thinks it necessary to add, are pretty sure to land
- 1:42Speaker 1: me in bother and misunderstanding. In several instances, statements which
- 1:48Speaker 1: were calculated to seriously injure me professionally have been published,
- 1:53Speaker 1: and though I believe they were inserted with no evil intent,
- 1:57Speaker 1: I have been obliged to employ my solicitors to secure
- 2:00Speaker 1: their contradiction. The instance which annoyed me perhaps more than
- 2:04Speaker 1: any other, was the reporting of a supposed interview in
- 2:08Speaker 1: the Essex County Chronicle. It was said to be from
- 2:12Speaker 1: an occasional contributor. The interviewer in question tackled me in
- 2:17Speaker 1: the hotel where the sheriff pays the execution fee, entering
- 2:21Speaker 1: the room immediately after I had been paid, and just
- 2:25Speaker 1: as the sheriff was driving off, he asked me two
- 2:28Speaker 1: or three questions about private matters, which I answered truthfully
- 2:32Speaker 1: and straightforwardly. Though I was somewhat annoyed by the man
- 2:36Speaker 1: and his manner, the interview, which appeared quite shocked me.
- 2:41Speaker 1: Several of the statements were utterly wrong, But what troubled
- 2:44Speaker 1: me most was the following paragraph, which was quite at
- 2:47Speaker 1: variance with the actual facts and with the statements which
- 2:51Speaker 1: I had made. And what do your friends think of
- 2:55Speaker 1: the profession you have taken up? I asked, It killed
- 2:59Speaker 1: my mother and brother, he mournfully replied. When Marwood died,
- 3:03Speaker 1: I was appointed in his place, and directly my mother
- 3:07Speaker 1: knew of it. She was taken ill. My father's solicitor
- 3:11Speaker 1: then wrote to the Home Office informing the authorities of this.
- 3:15Speaker 1: The result was that I gave up the position and
- 3:18Speaker 1: Binns got the appointment. My mother died soon afterwards, though,
- 3:22Speaker 1: and then when I saw the way in which Binns
- 3:25Speaker 1: was going on, I came to the conclusion that he
- 3:27Speaker 1: would not hold the place long, and I again wrote
- 3:30Speaker 1: to the Home Office, stating that my mother was dead
- 3:33Speaker 1: and that there was now nothing to prevent my accommodating
- 3:36Speaker 1: them if my assistance should be required. Soon after that
- 3:40Speaker 1: I was engaged to hang two men at Edinburgh, and
- 3:43Speaker 1: I have carried out nearly all the execution since then.
- 3:46Speaker 1: My brother had married a girl with plenty of money,
- 3:49Speaker 1: and his pride received a blow on my appointment that
- 3:53Speaker 1: was the cause of his death. He was a liberal
- 3:56Speaker 1: and in favor of abolishing capital punishment. But I am
- 3:59Speaker 1: a concert through and through. Although I have buried my mother,
- 4:04Speaker 1: two brothers, and two aunts within the last three years,
- 4:07Speaker 1: this was a false and cruel paragraph. The actual facts
- 4:11Speaker 1: with regard to the deaths of my relatives begin as follows.
- 4:15Speaker 1: One my aunt died before I took the office or
- 4:18Speaker 1: thought of doing so. Two my mother died from cancer
- 4:22Speaker 1: on the liver, from which he had been suffering for
- 4:25Speaker 1: a long time before I applied for the post. And
- 4:28Speaker 1: she died between the time of my first application and
- 4:31Speaker 1: the time of the second application when I was appointed
- 4:35Speaker 1: for the double execution at Edinburgh. Three my brother died
- 4:39Speaker 1: of low fever, after I had held the office of
- 4:42Speaker 1: Executioner for about four years. I do not wish to
- 4:45Speaker 1: deny that my choice of the calling of executioner was
- 4:48Speaker 1: a disappointment and annoyance to my family, But to say
- 4:52Speaker 1: that it caused or hastened the death of any one
- 4:55Speaker 1: of them is to say that which is not true.
- 4:58Speaker 1: If I thought that it, I had really had any
- 5:01Speaker 1: such disastrous effect I hope I'm not such a callous
- 5:05Speaker 1: and hardened wretch as to make the matter the subject
- 5:08Speaker 1: of discussion with a stranger. One would almost have thought
- 5:11Speaker 1: that such statements as the one extracted above would bear
- 5:15Speaker 1: their refutation on their face, and that there would be
- 5:18Speaker 1: no need to contradict them. But the matter was seriously
- 5:21Speaker 1: taken up by the Daily News, which made it the
- 5:24Speaker 1: subject of a leader, and other papers all over the
- 5:27Speaker 1: country extracted from or commented upon the matter in the
- 5:31Speaker 1: Daily News. Of course, I put the matter into the
- 5:34Speaker 1: hands of my solicitors, who took steps to stop the
- 5:37Speaker 1: original libel, but they were naturally unable to stop its
- 5:40Speaker 1: circulation through the country. Another affair, which caused me much
- 5:44Speaker 1: annoyance at the time, arose in Hereford from the greed
- 5:48Speaker 1: for interesting and sensational copy shown by a member of
- 5:52Speaker 1: staff of the Hereford Times. He got up some sensational
- 5:56Speaker 1: matter to the effect that, after the accution of Hill Williams,
- 6:01Speaker 1: I retired to a neighbouring hotel where a smoking concert
- 6:04Speaker 1: was in progress, and there held at ghastly levy. The
- 6:08Speaker 1: worst of this report was that it was based on
- 6:11Speaker 1: some foundation of fact, and that a mere coloration of
- 6:14Speaker 1: the report made a reasonable and perfectly innocent entertainment appear
- 6:19Speaker 1: as if it were something shameful. The actual facts were
- 6:22Speaker 1: that after the execution, I was in company with Alderman Barnet,
- 6:26Speaker 1: Mayor of Worcester, and a detective sergeant, both of whom
- 6:30Speaker 1: were personal friends of mine. With Alderman Barnet, I was
- 6:33Speaker 1: invited to a social evening held by some of his friends.
- 6:37Speaker 1: It was a perfectly private party and was decorously conducted
- 6:41Speaker 1: in every way. When the Times representative appeared, as he
- 6:45Speaker 1: was known to the gentleman present, he was invited to
- 6:48Speaker 1: join us simply as a friend. The report of the
- 6:52Speaker 1: party was much talked about at the time, and Sir
- 6:55Speaker 1: Edwin Lechmere, MP for Hereford made it the subject of
- 7:00Speaker 1: a question in the House of Commons. From time to time,
- 7:04Speaker 1: a very great number of incorrect and exaggerated statements have
- 7:08Speaker 1: been made in the press with regard to almost every
- 7:11Speaker 1: detail of my work. And I suppose that so long
- 7:14Speaker 1: as the public have a love for the marvelous, and
- 7:16Speaker 1: so long as press men have treacherous memories or vivid imaginations,
- 7:21Speaker 1: it will continue to be so. My enormous income is
- 7:25Speaker 1: one of the subjects on which the papers most frequently
- 7:28Speaker 1: get astray. And it has often been asserted that my
- 7:31Speaker 1: earnings amounted to one thousand a year. I only wish
- 7:35Speaker 1: that it might be so if I could make it
- 7:37Speaker 1: from an increase of fee rather than an increase in
- 7:40Speaker 1: the number of executions. But the reader has in other
- 7:43Speaker 1: places correct statements of what my income really amounts to.
- 7:48Speaker 1: I never bear malice against my friends of the press
- 7:51Speaker 1: for these little distortions of fact, for I know that
- 7:54Speaker 1: they mean no harm. And on the whole they have
- 7:56Speaker 1: always used me very well. With regard to the public.
- 8:00Speaker 1: Their curiosity to see me is much greater than my
- 8:03Speaker 1: desire to satisfy it. I had no wish to be
- 8:06Speaker 1: followed about and stared at by a crowd as if
- 8:09Speaker 1: I were a monstrosity, and in many cases I've had
- 8:12Speaker 1: to go to some trouble to balk them. This I
- 8:15Speaker 1: can do to a certain extent by traveling by other
- 8:18Speaker 1: trains than the one I am expected by. In some cases,
- 8:23Speaker 1: where there are two or three railways into a town,
- 8:26Speaker 1: one of which is a direct line from Bradford, I
- 8:28Speaker 1: take the direct line to some local station, and there
- 8:32Speaker 1: change into a train of another line. Or into some
- 8:36Speaker 1: train running on some local branch line and so arrive
- 8:39Speaker 1: unobserved at Newcastle after the execution of Judge. There was
- 8:44Speaker 1: a big and enthusiastic crowd waiting to see me and
- 8:48Speaker 1: my assistant depart. There were one or two men in
- 8:51Speaker 1: the crowd who knew me by sight, and they knew
- 8:54Speaker 1: the train by which we were to travel, so they
- 8:56Speaker 1: made a raid on the station, and in spite of
- 8:59Speaker 1: the efforts of the railway officials and police to keep
- 9:02Speaker 1: the place clear, they burst through the barriers with a
- 9:05Speaker 1: howl of exultation and filled the platform. The plan by
- 9:08Speaker 1: which we evaded them was very simple. We walked over
- 9:12Speaker 1: the river to Gateshead and booked from there to Newcastle,
- 9:16Speaker 1: arriving by train in the midst of the people who
- 9:18Speaker 1: were looking for us. We attracted no attention whatever, because
- 9:22Speaker 1: the folks who knew me were near the entrance gates,
- 9:25Speaker 1: expecting us to come into the station in the ordinary way,
- 9:28Speaker 1: as we had our tickets for Bradford with us. We
- 9:31Speaker 1: simply crossed the platform to our own train and in
- 9:34Speaker 1: due time steamed southward, leaving the disappointed crowd under the
- 9:38Speaker 1: firm impression that we had not entered the station. The
- 9:42Speaker 1: first time that I went to Swansea, there was a
- 9:44Speaker 1: large crowd of people waiting to see me, but they
- 9:47Speaker 1: were disappointed for I had made a little arrangement which
- 9:51Speaker 1: completely upset their calculations. It happened that I traveled from
- 9:55Speaker 1: Shrewsbury to Swansea with a gentleman who was well known
- 9:59Speaker 1: in the latter town. In the train, we entered into
- 10:02Speaker 1: conversation and I found that his carriage was to meet
- 10:05Speaker 1: him at the station. I therefore asked him if he
- 10:08Speaker 1: could recommend me to a good hotel, and was delighted
- 10:11Speaker 1: when he said that he would drive me to one,
- 10:14Speaker 1: which was just what I wanted. He did not know
- 10:16Speaker 1: who I was, and a little crowd that was watching
- 10:19Speaker 1: never imagined that the executioner would be riding in their
- 10:22Speaker 1: townsmen's carriage. Of course, I did not want to stay
- 10:25Speaker 1: at the hotel because I was to lodge in the jail,
- 10:28Speaker 1: but I thanked my friend for the lift, walked into
- 10:31Speaker 1: the hotel for a glass of beer while he was
- 10:33Speaker 1: driving away, and then walked up to the prison without
- 10:36Speaker 1: anyone suspecting my Errand whenever I have been in actual
- 10:40Speaker 1: contact with crowds in England, their attitude has been friendly.
- 10:44Speaker 1: In Ireland, such knots of people as may gather are
- 10:47Speaker 1: usually the reverse in England. If there is any sort
- 10:51Speaker 1: of demonstration, it is a cheer. In Ireland it is
- 10:54Speaker 1: hooting and groaning. But it is seldom in England that
- 10:58Speaker 1: I meet with any personal demonstrany. The crowds that assemble
- 11:01Speaker 1: outside the jails when executions are in progress are interesting studies.
- 11:07Speaker 1: They hail the hoisting of the black flag with a
- 11:09Speaker 1: cheer or a groan that indicates their opinion of the
- 11:13Speaker 1: merits of the case. It is curious to notice how
- 11:16Speaker 1: the sympathies of this section of the public lean one
- 11:19Speaker 1: way or the other, often without any apparent reason. This
- 11:23Speaker 1: thought occurred to me very forcibly at the executions of
- 11:27Speaker 1: Israel Lipsky and William Hunter, who were hanged within a
- 11:30Speaker 1: few months of each other. At Lipsky's execution, the crowd
- 11:35Speaker 1: was the largest I have ever seen. Many of the
- 11:37Speaker 1: people remained hanging about for hours. The excitement was intense,
- 11:42Speaker 1: but there was no sympathy for the prisoner. There were
- 11:45Speaker 1: many Jews in the crowd, and wherever they were noticed,
- 11:48Speaker 1: they were hustled and kicked about. And insulted in every
- 11:51Speaker 1: imaginable manner. For the hatred displayed by the mob was
- 11:55Speaker 1: extended from Lipsky to his race. When the black flag
- 11:59Speaker 1: was hoisted, it was received with three ringing cheers. Altogether,
- 12:03Speaker 1: the crowd showed the utmost detestation of the murderer. And
- 12:07Speaker 1: yet his crime was no worse than the majority of murders.
- 12:11Speaker 1: And there were many things connected with it, and with
- 12:14Speaker 1: the circumstances of the miserable man's life, both before and after,
- 12:19Speaker 1: which I should have expected to excite some little sympathy
- 12:23Speaker 1: at any rate amongst people in a similar station of life.
- 12:27Speaker 1: Hunter's execution was the next but one to Lipskis, and
- 12:30Speaker 1: his crime was one which has always seemed to me
- 12:34Speaker 1: about the most heartless I ever heard of. Hunter was
- 12:37Speaker 1: a striker in a foundry by trade, but a tramp
- 12:40Speaker 1: by choice. He left his wife and two children and
- 12:44Speaker 1: went on tramp, eventually striking up a sort of partnership
- 12:48Speaker 1: with a scotchwoman who had six illegitimate children. One of these,
- 12:52Speaker 1: a little girl between three and four years of age,
- 12:55Speaker 1: went tramping with them, And of course the poor we
- 12:57Speaker 1: might was utterly unfit with the exposed and the many
- 13:01Speaker 1: miles of walking, which they made her accomplish daily. Hunter
- 13:05Speaker 1: and the woman were both cruel to the child, and
- 13:07Speaker 1: carried their cruelty to such an extent that on one occasion,
- 13:11Speaker 1: at any rate, they were remonstrated with and eventually turned
- 13:14Speaker 1: out of a common lodging house on account of their conduct.
- 13:18Speaker 1: At last, one day, after a long tramp, the little
- 13:21Speaker 1: mike began to cry from wariness, and Hunt her, to
- 13:24Speaker 1: stop her crying, beat her with a switch. Later, for
- 13:27Speaker 1: the same purpose he thrashed her with a stick that
- 13:29Speaker 1: he picked up in the road. Still later in the
- 13:33Speaker 1: day he continued his ill treatment until he had beaten
- 13:36Speaker 1: the life out of the poor little creature. In justice
- 13:39Speaker 1: to the man or brute, it should be said that
- 13:41Speaker 1: when he found that the child was insensible it was
- 13:44Speaker 1: really dead, he fetched water to bathe its poor battered head,
- 13:48Speaker 1: And then when he realized that it was dead, he
- 13:50Speaker 1: cut his own throat and very nearly killed himself. But
- 13:54Speaker 1: these considerations seemed very little extenuation for the harsh brutality
- 13:58Speaker 1: of his conduct. One would have thought that the man
- 14:01Speaker 1: who would thus heartlessly torture to death a helpless child
- 14:05Speaker 1: would have been execrated by all men. Yet the crowd
- 14:08Speaker 1: that assembled at Hunter's execution wore quite a holiday ere.
- 14:13Speaker 1: There were some fifteen hundred people, most of whom laughed
- 14:16Speaker 1: and jested. When the flag was run up, there was
- 14:19Speaker 1: no demonstration. Perhaps the Carlyle people are not demonstrative. However,
- 14:24Speaker 1: that may be the contrasted conduct of the crowds that
- 14:28Speaker 1: the two executioners stuck me forcibly. And though it is
- 14:31Speaker 1: sad that men should rejoice at the death of a
- 14:34Speaker 1: fellow man, if the cheers had been given at Hunter's death,
- 14:37Speaker 1: which greeted the death of Lipsky, I think they would
- 14:40Speaker 1: have been more natural and more English than light jests
- 14:44Speaker 1: and laughter. End of Chapter twelve. Recording by Ashley Jane