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- 0:00Speaker 1: What do you see is the thing that holds people
- 0:03Speaker 1: back the most from being their most creative and best self?
- 0:10Speaker 2: I think it's being concerned what other people think and
- 0:15Speaker 2: a feeling of that the people who make great things
- 0:19Speaker 2: are somehow special and that they're not special. And that's
- 0:23Speaker 2: just not true. We're all, everyone has the capability to
- 0:27Speaker 2: make great things. And none of us are special. So
- 0:35Speaker 2: I think there's always a way. You don't have to
- 0:37Speaker 2: wait for permission from someone else. I think that's a
- 0:42Speaker 2: big part. People are waiting for permission.
- 0:45Speaker 3: To actually make their art.
- 0:46Speaker 2: To make their art. Someone has to say, you know,
- 0:50Speaker 2: I'll hire you to do this or I'll publish your
- 0:53Speaker 2: book if you write a book or whatever. set the
- 0:56Speaker 2: stage to allow you to do it. But I don't
- 0:59Speaker 2: think that's the way great things are made. There's nothing
- 1:03Speaker 2: you can't do. You can't be the best in the
- 1:07Speaker 2: world at something, but you can be a lot better
- 1:10Speaker 2: than you are at anything you want to put the
- 1:12Speaker 2: time into learning, whatever it is. Anything is possible at
- 1:16Speaker 2: any time, just if you have to do the work.
- 1:21Speaker 2: I don't think that there's a right way to do
- 1:23Speaker 2: anything And I would never dictate to anyone else how
- 1:26Speaker 2: to do anything. If someone asks, I would say maybe
- 1:32Speaker 2: this is how I would try it. But I would
- 1:35Speaker 2: never assume that that's what's going to be best for
- 1:37Speaker 2: them because you can't know. You can't know. We all
- 1:41Speaker 2: have our own set of experiences that form who we are.
- 1:48Speaker 2: And my solution to a problem is has to do
- 1:53Speaker 2: with my life experiences and your solution to a problem
- 1:56Speaker 2: has to do with your life experiences. And one's not
- 2:00Speaker 2: more right than the other. It's the one that's right
- 2:03Speaker 2: for me is the one that's mine. And the one
- 2:05Speaker 2: that's right for you is yours. And there's not, there's,
- 2:09Speaker 2: you can't compare or, um, say one's better than the other.
- 2:15Speaker 2: You know, is, is Bob Dylan better at being, uh,
- 2:20Speaker 2: the Ramones than the Ramones. No, the Ramones are better
- 2:25Speaker 2: at being the Ramones than Bob Dylan. And Bob Dylan
- 2:28Speaker 2: is better at being Bob Dylan than the Ramones. Everything
- 2:32Speaker 2: is like that.
- 2:34Speaker 3: Everything.
- 2:35Speaker 2: It's like, we can't, we can't inhabit any, because otherwise
- 2:40Speaker 2: it's all the same. I heard an interesting thing recently that, um,
- 2:47Speaker 2: there's a lot of talk about AI art now. And
- 2:50Speaker 2: that when, if all of the inputs into the AI
- 2:56Speaker 2: are the same, which they will be from all the
- 2:58Speaker 2: competing AIs, they'll all have the same database that eventually
- 3:04Speaker 2: as they get better and better and you put in
- 3:07Speaker 2: the parameters of what you're looking for, they'll all spit
- 3:09Speaker 2: out the same answer now. And that's the technically the
- 3:14Speaker 2: right answer. Now, if you were going to engage with
- 3:18Speaker 2: a subject, and another writer was going to engage with
- 3:21Speaker 2: the subject, and you were to both write about it,
- 3:24Speaker 2: the chances of those articles being similar, books being similar,
- 3:28Speaker 2: I mean, the subject will be the same, but the
- 3:31Speaker 2: perspective is completely different. It's not about the outcome. That's
- 3:36Speaker 2: what I'm saying. If you don't make money, or if
- 3:39Speaker 2: you do make money, that has nothing to do with
- 3:41Speaker 2: the art. Art is the art, and then whatever happens after,
- 3:44Speaker 2: happens after. If you make something that you love, I
- 3:48Speaker 2: know if I make something I love, if more people
- 3:54Speaker 2: like it, that's only a good thing. Now, I wouldn't
- 3:57Speaker 2: change a word of it for someone else to like it.
- 4:04Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? It's like I make
- 4:05Speaker 2: the thing I love and then present it to the world.
- 4:10Speaker 2: And then if the world likes it, great. And if
- 4:13Speaker 2: more people like it than less, better. Why not? We're
- 4:16Speaker 2: sharing something we love, something we think is beautiful. So
- 4:20Speaker 2: the more people who embrace it. But again, I would
- 4:22Speaker 2: never change it for anyone else because that's not what
- 4:25Speaker 2: it's about. It's not about that. It'd be like there
- 4:29Speaker 2: was a time, I think, when Metallica felt like, we
- 4:33Speaker 2: don't really want to be a heavy metal band. We
- 4:35Speaker 2: want to be a pop band because pop bands are
- 4:37Speaker 2: what's popular. And we have reached a ceiling being a
- 4:39Speaker 2: heavy metal band. That did not go well. That was
- 4:43Speaker 2: a bad idea. They weren't playing their hand. They weren't
- 4:48Speaker 2: embracing Metallica. And I think if you embrace your part,
- 4:55Speaker 2: it's your best chance being true to yourself. Not saying, oh, well,
- 5:01Speaker 2: those people over there are getting popular doing this other thing.
- 5:04Speaker 2: I don't really like it, but it's really working for them.
- 5:06Speaker 2: Maybe I could try that. Recipe for disaster.
- 5:10Speaker 3: So don't chase something that's not your hand.
- 5:12Speaker 4: No.
- 5:14Speaker 1: The example I'm thinking of is like Lady Gaga came
- 5:17Speaker 1: onto the scene doing, I guess, pop music and became
- 5:19Speaker 1: very popular, but then said, hey, I want to do
- 5:22Speaker 1: this more kind of jazzy, bluesy, like Tony Bennett thing.
- 5:26Speaker 2: She was being true to herself.
- 5:27Speaker 3: And that's what I want to do. And I don't
- 5:28Speaker 3: care if anyone likes it, but it's what I want
- 5:31Speaker 3: to do with this season of my life.
- 5:32Speaker 2: True to herself.
- 5:33Speaker 3: And it may lose money.
- 5:36Speaker 2: But she was not doing it because I think people
- 5:39Speaker 2: will like this. Right. This is working over here. So
- 5:42Speaker 2: I'm going to. try to catch their heat, she was
- 5:45Speaker 2: not doing that.
- 5:46Speaker 3: She probably knew people wouldn't like it.
- 5:48Speaker 2: Only a small audience. She didn't care. She was true
- 5:51Speaker 2: to herself. This is what she wanted to do, and
- 5:53Speaker 2: she did it. If you come up making a certain
- 5:57Speaker 2: kind of music and you get popular making that music,
- 6:00Speaker 2: a feeling of, well, this is all anybody wants from me,
- 6:04Speaker 2: so even though I don't care about it anymore, I
- 6:06Speaker 2: have to keep doing it, that's a disaster as well.
- 6:09Speaker 2: That doesn't work. A shortcut is, how little can I
- 6:17Speaker 2: get away with doing? And I think that the real
- 6:21Speaker 2: question is, how much more can I give to the
- 6:26Speaker 2: thing I'm making? What else can I give to it?
- 6:30Speaker 2: And thinking in terms of, how much more can we do?
- 6:35Speaker 2: Not how much less can we do. It's not about shortcuts.
- 6:39Speaker 2: It's not about getting it done. It's not about a
- 6:41Speaker 2: four-hour work week. It's like whatever it takes for it
- 6:45Speaker 2: to be all it could be. Commitment and total commitment
- 6:53Speaker 2: and dedicating your life to making the best things you can,
- 6:58Speaker 2: whatever it is. If your intention is pure and you're
- 7:03Speaker 2: doing it for the right reasons, it seems like things
- 7:08Speaker 2: tend to work out. And that ends up being Um,
- 7:14Speaker 2: and the results have shown me that you can manifest things.
- 7:21Speaker 2: It happens. It's it, but I'll say when I do it,
- 7:25Speaker 2: it's never based on the outcome to, to rise to
- 7:29Speaker 2: the occasion, to make the best thing that I can
- 7:32Speaker 2: for the thing that I make to be great. Great
- 7:34Speaker 2: is a vague word. I don't know what great means.
- 7:38Speaker 2: I came to realize recently. what great means, but I
- 7:41Speaker 2: didn't know most of my life I was aiming for great,
- 7:43Speaker 2: but I didn't know what that was. And I've come
- 7:45Speaker 2: to realize that great means it's, it's a devotional, it's
- 7:50Speaker 2: a devotional kind of greatness. It's a gift to the universe.
- 7:54Speaker 2: It's a gift to God. Wow. If you're making, if
- 7:59Speaker 2: you're making a gift to God, you can't put more
- 8:04Speaker 2: into it than that. You know, you can't, what about
- 8:08Speaker 2: the single? What about What about what someone's going to say?
- 8:13Speaker 2: Who has anything to say if we're making a gift
- 8:15Speaker 2: for God? You're putting all of your purest intention into
- 8:21Speaker 2: this thing for the universe. Wow. That's where it's at.
- 8:27Speaker 1: But you get to leave behind three lessons. And this
- 8:30Speaker 1: is all we would have to remember your information by.
- 8:34Speaker 1: And I call it the three truths. What would be
- 8:36Speaker 1: those three truths for you that you would leave behind?
- 8:42Speaker 2: Think it might just be one it might just be
- 8:46Speaker 2: be true to yourself know you know yourself as best
- 8:49Speaker 2: as you can to be true to who you are
- 8:54Speaker 2: and allow that person to evolve and change as the
- 9:01Speaker 2: conditions change and to not be inflexible I recommend artists
- 9:08Speaker 2: to engage or re-engage with why they wanted to do
- 9:12Speaker 2: it in the first place and really find their love.
- 9:15Speaker 2: When it goes from the thing you love to the
- 9:18Speaker 2: thing you do for work, it's an issue. And to
- 9:22Speaker 2: get back to that, I do this because I love
- 9:25Speaker 2: this more than anything. I do this not because I
- 9:29Speaker 2: got a good review, not because I sold a lot
- 9:32Speaker 2: of copies or I do this because this is what
- 9:34Speaker 2: I do. It's what I've always wanted to do. And
- 9:36Speaker 2: I'm going to continue doing it with the same head
- 9:41Speaker 2: that I went into it in the first place that
- 9:42Speaker 2: allowed me to be successful in the first place. You
- 9:46Speaker 2: realize that your thoughts are not you. And that left
- 9:53Speaker 2: to your own devices, there'll be a lot of voices
- 9:58Speaker 2: in your head just going all the time. And they're
- 10:00Speaker 2: not you. And they don't mean anything. And they're really repetitious.
- 10:07Speaker 2: And they're not working in your best interest.
- 10:11Speaker 3: So if your thoughts aren't you, then what are you?
- 10:16Speaker 2: I suppose you are the unchanging part of yourself. That's
- 10:22Speaker 2: always there. From.
- 10:27Speaker 2: Probably from the time you're born until the time you die.
- 10:29Speaker 2: And maybe before and after. It's the... It's what's really inside.
- 10:37Speaker 2: It's not... It's not changeable. It's... What you came with.
- 10:49Speaker 2: It's not the....
- 10:51Speaker 3: The thinking mind. It's almost being the observer of the thoughts.
- 10:57Speaker 2: The one who sees the thoughts. That sounds right. Yeah.
- 11:00Speaker 2: Observing the thoughts. Thank you.
- 11:02Speaker 3: That's what I was hearing you say.
- 11:05Speaker 1: What do you think is the best habits that an
- 11:07Speaker 1: artist can have? That maybe you have individually, but also
- 11:10Speaker 1: that you see in other artists?
- 11:13Speaker 2: I would say dedication to the craft. Whatever their craft is,
- 11:17Speaker 2: dedicating themselves to it. Taking it very seriously. Being free
- 11:23Speaker 2: to play in it, you know, like taking it seriously
- 11:26Speaker 2: at the time when it warrants being taken seriously and
- 11:31Speaker 2: having fun and being free in a play way to
- 11:36Speaker 2: allow the thing that's worthy of being taken seriously to appear. Right.
- 11:41Speaker 3: Taking it seriously and also allowing yourself to play in
- 11:43Speaker 3: it as well.
- 11:44Speaker 2: Yeah. The play always is where it starts. It starts
- 11:47Speaker 2: in this playful way where nothing is serious and there
- 11:50Speaker 2: are no stakes. And then through that, something appears. And
- 11:55Speaker 2: then in order to get that into condition to share,
- 11:59Speaker 2: there's a grueling effort.
- 12:01Speaker 3: Take that seriously.
- 12:02Speaker 2: And sometimes you do a grueling effort and then you realize, oh,
- 12:05Speaker 2: that thing that happened the first day, that's the best
- 12:08Speaker 2: version of it. But you don't know that until you've
- 12:11Speaker 2: maybe banged your head against the wall for six months
- 12:14Speaker 2: working on it. And then you realize, you know what?
- 12:16Speaker 2: That first five minutes was the best. That was it.
- 12:18Speaker 2: You can't know that until you go past. You know,
- 12:21Speaker 2: you have to... Work past it to see this was
- 12:26Speaker 2: the one.
- 12:27Speaker 3: This is the best version.
- 12:28Speaker 2: A big part of it is just not screwing up
- 12:31Speaker 2: what's good.
- 12:32Speaker 3: Without messing it up.
- 12:33Speaker 2: No, there are all these stories of the demos being
- 12:36Speaker 2: better than the album. It's easy to not know why
- 12:40Speaker 2: something is good. You make a demo and you think, okay,
- 12:42Speaker 2: now when I get the professional musicians to play it,
- 12:45Speaker 2: it's going to be great. It's going to be that
- 12:47Speaker 2: much better. Maybe yes, maybe no. We don't know. We
- 12:50Speaker 2: never know. We never know what's going to happen when
- 12:53Speaker 2: we do anything. So to stay neutral and to keep
- 12:59Speaker 2: every iteration along the way and be willing to look
- 13:02Speaker 2: back after you just spent months refining something to then say,
- 13:07Speaker 2: you know what? It was better three months ago. Throw
- 13:09Speaker 2: that all away. Wow.
- 13:10Speaker 4: You've been doing this a long time. You've worked with
- 13:13Speaker 4: so many amazing artists. Obviously, you know what you're doing.
- 13:17Speaker 4: How have you managed to stay.
- 13:22Speaker 2: Humble and flexible.
- 13:25Speaker 4: And I imagine there's this sort of stereotypical record producer,
- 13:30Speaker 4: just like there's the stereotypical head football coach that comes in.
- 13:35Speaker 2: I'm the boss. I know what we need to do.
- 13:37Speaker 4: Listen to me. That's obviously not your style, but there's
- 13:41Speaker 4: a human temptation there, I'm sure.
- 13:45Speaker 2: Well, since every project they work on is so different,
- 13:49Speaker 2: and since on a daily basis, I see something work
- 13:53Speaker 2: that I don't understand. I could never have that feeling
- 13:59Speaker 2: of it being about me. I know it's not about
- 14:01Speaker 2: me because I do it all the time and I
- 14:04Speaker 2: see I'm happy to be there. I'm happy to witness
- 14:09Speaker 2: it and experience it. I'm happy when a possible solution
- 14:16Speaker 2: occurs that works, but I don't feel like that has
- 14:22Speaker 2: anything to do with me. And I'm just as happy if,
- 14:26Speaker 2: if a better solution occurs to someone else in the room,
- 14:30Speaker 2: as long as the project gets better, I don't care.
- 14:32Speaker 2: I just want, there's no ego in it because we're
- 14:35Speaker 2: all on this. We're all on a team working together
- 14:39Speaker 2: for this thing, whatever it is to be the best
- 14:41Speaker 2: it could be. So there's no room for anyone to
- 14:45Speaker 2: have any part of it be theirs. It's, It's none
- 14:51Speaker 2: of ours, really.