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Formula Offices · United We Scan

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  Hey, welcome to the United We Scan podcast.
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  Thank you. Welcome back everybody.
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  Episode 137 Tonight we're going to go over formula offices.
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  We had a couple topics we want to discuss in this one one out.
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  So that's what we're doing this evening for you.
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  All the formula and how it's supposed to work and all that
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  good stuff as well. It's important, especially with
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  these SNDCS and well, if your office can't hire and retain our
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  CAS, kind of what happens after a bit.
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  So how was your week, Josh? My week was it was a week still
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  playing Chuck roulette and keeping in mind I've taken 2O
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  days already and I have about 13 1/4 hours of waiting so far
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  since then. You know?
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  How was your week? My week was OK.
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  I was kind of surprised I got my relief day.
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  My relief day is Friday so but I had a a new sub who did my route
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  and she did better than the PTF who'd been doing my route.
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  So and she's pretty brand new. So it's like you can do my route
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  anytime. Yeah, I was been yeah.
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  I usually I leave my phone number for them too, just in
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  case. I don't care if they need to
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  call me. I try to be a resource for them.
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  But and she only had to call me once and she did pretty good.
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  She got done like under eval Even, so I think they gave her a
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  little bit of help. But what else happened this
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  week? It was a flat palooza on Monday,
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  and then even yesterday was like, what the heck's going on?
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  Like death by flats. Like where were all these flats
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  in the summer? Where were all these flat like
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  on? It feels like Mondays and like
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  Saturdays become like flat hell, which is good because we do need
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  the business and it's good for my evaluation but not good for
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  my hands to deliver all that I also I had on my relief Dad.
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  This is just a little side quest.
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  Funny story, I was driving and there's this part of this one
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  Rd. by my parents house that I lose service in and I was on the
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  phone with my dad and I knew I forgot I was going through that
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  area and I I got through it and it finally like connects back to
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  the phone and I was like sorry dad, I was I was driving through
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  rural route 13 and he was like, well I don't know what that
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  means. I'm like, oh, I'm so used to
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  talking to postal peeps. And then I think I said
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  something about wind at ACBU the other day and he was like,
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  what's ACBU? I'm like, Oh yeah, I forgot that
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  I I have a postal lingo talk that I speak all the time, I
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  guess. But yeah.
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  How was your week, Kristen? Oh, I, I, I feel you with the
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  flats that, that's definitely for sure.
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  My flats have been a bit heavy this week as well.
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  And you know, Wednesday I get back and see a box holder for
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  Thursday. Of course, the furniture store
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  South of us that anytime there's a holiday coming up, they have
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  to have a sale like it's really going to help them.
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  But, and that means a box holder.
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  You know, it never fails. There's a holiday, we get a box
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  holder from them. So Thursday, I'm out on the
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  route. Oh, wait, no, it got even
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  better. Nope, Nope.
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  That's so Thursday it starts off.
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  So Wednesday night Frozen, the, the Facebook and our local
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  Humane Society announced that they were getting a litter of
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  puppies in Thursday at noon. They'd be available first come
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  first serve, you know, and fill out an application that they had
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  linked up there. So I, we've been talking about
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  it. So I sent it to the boyfriend
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  and Ruby and he's like, yeah, what do you got to do for it?
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  And I was like, oh really? So I filled out the application.
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  So Thursday I'm out on the route with this darn box holder and
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  about 11:15 in the morning, the Humane Society calls me and
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  she's letting me know, you know, she'll put my name down for a
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  puppy. They're only there till 4.
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  I'm like, crap, I got a box holder like all right, I'll see.
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  You know, I'll, I'll get there. I'll, I'll, I'll get there
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  before you close. I'll figure out what I got to do
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  and had a hold of the postmaster and said, hey, can I finish
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  delivering this box holder tomorrow?
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  Because I got to be somewhere by 3:45.
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  She's like, sure. I'm like, cool, I just took the
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  tail and I was done by 2:30. I wasn't even halfway through
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  the route when I got the call. So, you know, I'm like, wow, I
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  don't run my route like this every day, but this is kind of
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  nice. And so then 230, Ruby and little
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  man and I, we headed off to the Humane Society, which is about a
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  30 minute drive. And we got the first pick of the
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  litter and we got ourselves a new little.
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  We got ourselves a new little boy.
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  He's six weeks old. We named him Ozzy.
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  You know, we're trying to go through names.
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  And I looked at him. I said Ozzy.
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  And everybody went, yes, Ozzy. So he is Doberman, Rottweiler
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  and pity. He's going to be a big boy.
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  And my my my my my my. Pity Luna, though, I knew she's
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  not socialized as I would like her to be.
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  And yeah, but by last night she was pretty fine.
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  She's still in that hey, I'm the one in charge mode with him and
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  she's extremely protective of my grandson, including his toys.
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  I discovered today is the puppy was trying to get a hold of a
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  little stuffed Elmo. She jumped off the chair and
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  took Elmo away from him. And yeah, so I can't have the
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  toddler, the puppy and the four year old pity and I, if they're
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  all in one room together, everybody's got to be a
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  tentative and watch because my dog is still very, she's gotten
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  a lot better. But you know, she's reminding
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  this puppy that she is the queen bee.
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  So, so it's been interesting, but it's so far it's gone pretty
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  good. It's gone better than I thought
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  it would with her. So I'm happy about that.
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  And then Friday morning I pulling to the office.
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  I'm pulling in the office. I see VMF there they had hooking
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  up the FFV that they had loaned out to us.
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  I'm like oh. So I pull around into the
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  parking by the docks and there's my LLV.
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  After 4 1/2 months my LLV got returned.
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  I was so happy, it made my day. I didn't care that I had 3/4 of
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  a route of box holders to finish.
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  On Friday I got my LLV back with a brand new engine.
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  Then I noticed they put brand new tires on it and every other
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  little quirk that had been wrong with it was fixed.
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  The heat works amazing. And yeah, so first thing I did
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  was play musical vehicles because I wanted my truck.
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  And so I had to move forest truck out of the ox truck area
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  because nobody else in my office is going to do this.
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  So I took it upon myself so I can have my truck, moved forest
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  truck from the aux truck spot back to forest truck because
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  she'd been using the FFE, and then took the shelves out of the
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  truck that's assigned to the aux route because those were the
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  shelves that came out of my truck.
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  So I could put them back in my truck and then move the aux
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  truck back to its parking spot. And then looked at the guy on
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  Route 2 who that's the truck. I've been using his Route 2's
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  truck. And I said, hey, you just want
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  to move the trucks back where they go and we're done with the
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  route he goes, yeah, that's fine.
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  I said cool, So I could back my truck up into two spot, put the
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  shelves back in and start loading it.
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  I was thrilled. It goes straight down the road.
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  I am so happy to have my truck back.
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  It's the little things in life. And then yeah, I'm.
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  I'm excited. And then I worked my K day
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  yesterday. So yeah, that was pretty much my
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  week. So now I'm at the, you know,
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  have today off work tomorrow, have Tuesday off, and then
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  Wednesday, of course, for everybody is the second Monday
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  of the week. I don't think Wednesday will be
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  that bad. I'm hoping.
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  I'm pretty hopeful. About it but.
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  I'm hoping too. I mean parcels right now for us
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  have kind of this is kind of like the calm before the holiday
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  storm because I've only been averaging 100 to 120 a day.
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  And so it's been kind of scarily light.
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  So yeah, I guess I'll enjoy it now before it really starts
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  amping up here soon before Christmas.
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  Yeah. Yep, Yep.
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  So yeah. Well, I, I've had a pretty good
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  week. New puppy with a toddler.
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  This is fun. Fresh LOV.
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  My, my, my truck is back with a, a brand new engine, brand new
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  tires. My cargo light is working
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  properly. My turn signals work right.
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  My steering wheel stays straight going down the road.
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  That's not at a funky angle anymore.
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  Oh yeah. It's, it's, I'm happy, I'm
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  thrilled my truck is back. I, I, it's the best driving
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  truck in our fleet right now at my office.
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  And I know because I've driven them all the last 4 1/2 months.
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  Get better, better. Just last week alone, I drove R
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  fours and R twos. So, you know, I'm I'm thrilled
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  to have my truck back. It's just, it's those little
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  things, you know, I was so happy.
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  I'm like. Oh my gosh.
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  And my heat's all hooked up right down with the little thing
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  that blows the heat out by your feet.
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  So my feet stay warm. Oh yeah, I'm I'm somebody
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  happier. Great.
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  Going into Christmas with my truck.
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  Yeah, sure. Rub it, rub.
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  Rub the salt into the wound. Hey, you're gonna have a shiny
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  new office here soon, so. Yeah, exactly.
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  And then you'll probably eventually get the duck trucks.
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  Who knows? Yeah.
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  Maybe you'll be the first one with a duck truck over there.
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  All right guys. So we're talking about formula
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  offices. I myself personally have never
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  experienced a formula office is my office is not at the moment
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  and my first office did not actually become formula till I
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  think it was a year or two after I transferred over to where I'm
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  at now at least. So I don't have any experience
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  with formulas. So I'm going to let Meow and
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  Josh take this one for the most part.
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  Do you want to talk about what it's like in a non formula
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  office? I can talk.
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  Because I actually, yeah. So I, I have always been in a
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  formula office. It was since I started my office
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  because it's large and I've kind of seen that if it's a large
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  office, typically they're formula, yeah.
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  But I've seen offices that are smaller, not formula so.
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  So even going back to my first office which we had two RMPOS
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  with two routes each. So we had 12 routes in the main
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  office and then three regular routes and an OX route with the
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  other two offices. I know the one office still has
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  the ox route and the regular route in it, whereas the other
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  one unfortunately had a fire several years ago.
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  So they pulled those two routes into the main office.
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  But when I first started, when I first got hired on, the 2 routes
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  that were brought into the office that were the other one
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  were both J routes at the time and there was 1 sub there and
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  they had that handled by having opposite J days.
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  So they kept me at the main office and and the other office
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  had a sub or the regular route and then the the ox carrier.
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  So, but we pretty much had a full complement of Subs.
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  So going back to our RCA episode, you know, I know what
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  it's like working one day a week and then, you know, you see the
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  turnover or you know, Subs going regular as people retired.
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  And when you're in a bigger office that tends to happen a
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  little bit more quickly sometimes.
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  And so, you know, we always had it handled, you know, there was
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  start running, you know, more than one route when needed cover
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  and you know, you do what you got to do.
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  And so like I said, after I transferred it, then it became a
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  formula down the line because they just couldn't keep people
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  and all that good fun stuff. And so the office I'm currently
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  that I'm currently in know that I'm in because since I'm regular
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  now we have 4K routes, AJ route, an H route, an Ox route and
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  actually a highway contract route.
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  So we have two Subs right now 2 are CAS, one is mine signed to
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  my route and the other one is A5 in one on the ox route.
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  So I worked my K day yesterday. So the my case mate, she could
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  have her K day but then our J route he's also on the relief
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  day work list and likes his overtime this time of year.
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  He worked too so his sub could run the other K route.
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  My sub was then put on the ox route and assisting the other
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  sub on the other K route as far as I know.
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  So yeah, it. So all of you guys that are in
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  your office all have Saturday off then?
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  No we have 1K route with a Monday.
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  The other K route the the one next to me used to have Monday
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  but she recently switched back to Saturday's before her sub
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  quit so she hasn't gone back to Mondays again so she's still
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  Saturday. So we have 3K routes or
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  Saturdays and one's a Monday and then RJ route is a Saturday as
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  well. Yeah, OK.
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  So it's, you know, and then our poor P1 POV route, well, he's
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  had one sub since I went full time and that was my daughter
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  and that we all know that lasted about six weeks.
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  So yeah, he works, he's on the relief day work list.
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  And the excuse management gets every time a new sub gets hired
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  in is, well, they don't have APOV to deliver mails, so they
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  get assigned to one of the other routes.
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  Yeah, I'm not even going to go there right now with that, but.
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  Do do the Subs that work in your office, do you do they feel like
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  they have enough hours and or are they only working like maybe
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  two days a week? Well, the one is on the ox
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  route, so he's already, you know, he's got the five and one
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  for sure. So he's always five days for
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  sure on that little ox route. It's only 2 1/2 hours.
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  And then he does carry a full route when needed as well.
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  It if management would pull their heads out of there, you
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  know what's and actually let the carriers, hey, we only have two
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  Subs right now. Can we kind of work together?
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  I'm more than happy to work every other Saturday if me and
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  the 1K route next to us could flip flop every other Saturday,
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  which we've kind of been doing the last two pay periods.
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  How long that's going to last, I don't know.
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  I'm not going to go there. But you know, and initially when
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  the other sub took the Ox route, the Five in one, they were
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  because his primary is the J route they were going to do.
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  And he does have his own POV. He's got a right hand drive,
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  cheap karaoke. So they were going to, initially
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  the plan was he would alternate between the POV route and the J
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  route every other week under the Five in one.
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  Yeah, that hasn't happened because he's been covering the
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  other K route on Saturdays. So that's kind of how that's
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  been going. Yeah.
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  So basically there was three of us that should have been off
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  this yesterday. That worked.
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  So one person could be off. It's not easy.
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  And I mean, I was my in my first or my first, my last Christmas
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  as an RCA in that office. I was the only RCA in that
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  office. So and I had the ox route and I
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  ran everything with the ox route.
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  I was working six days a week, running mostly two days a week.
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  If the only time we used to joke that if we just had the ox route
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  that day, that was like our day off because we come in at 9:00
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  and usually we are home by 10/30, 11:00 at the latest.
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  So it was kind of like our day off.
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  But I don't know, they've kind of management now has kind of
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  been different with that. These Subs don't really
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  understand what some of us went through beforehand, even though
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  we try to tell them they're like, huh, what?
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  Yeah, you guys got it too easy. I, I don't even want to hear it.
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  It's nerve racking because it was running 2 routes a day, just
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  about almost almost every single day, at least 3-4 days a week
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  for four, 5-6 months. So I mean, I remember because I
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  had just started being the OJI when I still had the Ox route
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  and I remember training brand new Subs out on their routes and
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  you know, we do part of their route.
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  And I'm like, all right, now you are going to go for a ride while
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  I run my Ox route real quick. Yeah.
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  And I, I would, I did they go right along while I delivered
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  the ox route? You know, that's just how we
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  ended up working it out it pro Ji at the time.
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  I mean it, you do what you got to do.
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  And I guess I think that's a lot.
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  And I can't, I can't speak for every office with, with newer
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  Rcas or, or, or people like that.
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  But you know, I, as I remember when I started over a decade
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  ago, you know, we at the time when we started and it was, you
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  know, it was not going to say beaten into us, but it was
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  ingrained in US that we did what we had to do to get the job done
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  no matter what. And so I've always been that
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  way. And now to see Subs that, you
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  know, they get done, you know, get done with an ox route and
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  not the current sub on the ox route, but get done with an ox
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  route. Hey, can you, you know, can you
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  run these packages out for R6 because they're APOV and it
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  would be a second trip and it would cost us less for you to go
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  run them type thing unless you get a little extra pay for doing
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  it. You know, you would think after
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  running a 2 1/2 hour rock trout. No, I don't feel like it.
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  I got stuff to do. All right, well, you can go
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  home. How?
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  I I I I it just stumps me. How?
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  Yeah, because we never had a choice.
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  Hey, you need to run that when you get done.
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  OK, thanks. Thanks for letting me know ahead
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  of time. Not a problem.
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  See you later. So yeah, that's my experience as
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  a non formula offices. Non formula.
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  I mean literally, I remember working one day a week.
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  Or when the regular was off or at the odd chance of not having
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  coverage on another route, go in and run another route when
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  needed. I think I worked 6-7 months
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  before I even started on a second route because we were
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  fully staffed. And now I see our CAS that will
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  have half a dozen routes under their belt within the first few
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  months because they're not fully staffed.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I've, I've just, I've
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  never worked in a non formula office.
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  So it's and I know, I think, I think Josh has said he when he
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  first started, I think they were non formula.
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  But his office is I, I know that's him.
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  He could talk to it. But my office and I know his
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  office, his office is like super large, but my office is large.
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  So we've always been formula and I think the formula happened I
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  think maybe 2 years before I started.
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  And so I know that if you are a non formula office, the reset
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  for or the not reset the the matrix.
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  Well, no, though there's the formula, but there's the Oh my
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  gosh, the generic day that you would get off is Saturday and
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  Sunday like you your relief day if you're AK route would just be
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  Saturday. And in the formula it's designed
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  that Saturday still will be the day that has the most people
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  off. And if it's not, then they
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  didn't do the formula correctly. But then there's the non formula
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  days. What were you going to say,
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  Josh? Unless it's, you know, unless
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  the carrier, unless it's mutually agreed upon between the
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  carrier and management to have a day other than Saturday off.
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  So like I said, we had 1-2 Monday K days at one time.
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  Now we're back down to 1 only because they didn't want the
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  Saturday when they went regular. They would prefer to have the
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  Monday. And of us just shook our heads
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  like, Oh yeah. Yeah.
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  And there's some offices that I know that that have gotten, you
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  know, they're OK that, and in my experience with it, it's
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  typically been the smaller offices that are able to retain
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  those Subs or there's mutual agreement with the carriers and
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  management. And they're, and it's, it's not
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  a sweetheart deal per SE, but it's, they're working together
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  to then it and it, it's fine. But I think I'm not, I wish I
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  knew how many offices in the country were formula versus non
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  formula. And I think there's more than I
• 22:41
  don't know. I don't know if it's equal or I
• 22:43
  would say it's more than 50%. I would probably say it's
• 22:46
  probably close to the 70% of formula.
• 22:49
  And that's just a guess. I have no clue.
• 22:52
  That would be a good one to I I I think we have the data
• 22:55
  somewhere, but I would really have to go digging.
• 22:59
  Yeah, You see, I've, I've had the best of both worlds.
• 23:04
  So if you want to call it that, because we were a regular office
• 23:09
  until it was four months or so after I went regular that we
• 23:15
  went formula. So I had my Saturday and then it
• 23:19
  got taken away. Dang.
• 23:21
  Well, just that quick, let me just bloop.
• 23:25
  I have never had a Saturday release day.
• 23:28
  I'm like, what is that like? It's nice when.
• 23:31
  You I didn't say I get them off. Yeah, I didn't say I got them
• 23:35
  off. I just said I had it.
• 23:38
  Yeah, because we were regular office, so everyone had
• 23:42
  Saturday. So I, I also, so I just like
• 23:45
  carrying the different perspectives on it because I'm
• 23:48
  kind of weird in the sense that like I am somewhat pro formula,
• 23:54
  but I also recognize like the smaller offices just leave them
• 23:57
  alone. Like if they're retaining the
• 23:59
  Subs and they're hiring, like just leave them alone, you know?
• 24:03
  But in like my experience of it is that that they it's kind of
• 24:10
  necessary in a sense because of where we're at in in the Postal
• 24:15
  Service of hiring and retaining Subs.
• 24:18
  So if you're in a non formula office, you have Saturday as
• 24:22
  your relief day, unless management mutually agree or you
• 24:25
  and management mutually agreed for another day during the week.
• 24:29
  If you're in a formula office, then there is an equation which
• 24:33
  I'm going to read and I'm going to do some boring fun reading
• 24:36
  here from the contract. And then I'll, I'll elaborate a
• 24:38
  little bit more that there's an equation of how many people in
• 24:44
  the office of the K days and then the J days would keep their
• 24:49
  Saturday anyways, because that's that's what day they have off.
• 24:53
  And then the rest of the regular carriers have the rest of the
• 24:57
  week. And it's supposed to be evenly
• 25:00
  distributed throughout the week, but Saturday is still always
• 25:04
  supposed to have more people off.
• 25:08
  So Article 9.2 dot C .5 of the contract is relief days and a
• 25:20
  section A assistance in the form of relief days on evaluated
• 25:23
  routes, except during the Christmas period will be
• 25:26
  provided when the evaluated time exceeds 46 hours per week as
• 25:31
  necessary to keep the total actual work hours under 2080
• 25:35
  during the guarantee period. When such relief is provided,
• 25:39
  the role carriers compensation will be on the basis of the
• 25:42
  remaining hours of required evaluated service for the week.
• 25:46
  So that's just the baseline for your H routes that do not have a
• 25:51
  relief day, your J routes that have every other Saturday off
• 25:55
  and then your K routes that have a relief day every week.
• 26:00
  And then Section B in offices where the employer determines it
• 26:05
  is necessary to change the relief day of one or more
• 26:08
  regular routes due to a shortage of leave replacements, regular
• 26:12
  rule carriers working their relief day on more than an
• 26:15
  infrequent basis, and the office having documentation of hiring
• 26:19
  efforts consistent consisting of a minimum of four hiring lists
• 26:25
  within the last six months. The following formula will be
• 26:29
  utilized. The minimum number of routes on
• 26:32
  which a Saturday relief day must be authorized will be calculated
• 26:36
  using the total number of leave replacements assigned and
• 26:40
  working in the office minus the number of auxiliary routes
• 26:43
  divided by the total number of regular routes authorized relief
• 26:48
  day. Then subtract .10, and the
• 26:51
  result is then multiplied by the total number of routes
• 26:55
  authorized, a relief day and rounded down to the next whole
• 26:58
  number. This figure is the minimum
• 27:01
  number of routes on which management must authorize a
• 27:05
  Saturday relief day. Subtract this figure from the
• 27:08
  total number of regular routes authorized a relief day.
• 27:14
  This final figure is the maximum number of K routes that
• 27:17
  management may require a non Saturday relief day.
• 27:20
  Non Saturday relief days are Monday.
• 27:25
  Oh sorry here, let me back up a second here before I go into
• 27:28
  that next part. If you I know that that was a
• 27:31
  lot of of math there and we are rule carriers, not
• 27:36
  mathematicians. But if you have a question
• 27:42
  whether or not there is the formulas calculated correctly,
• 27:48
  at least get how many K routes your office has, however many
• 27:53
  available leave replacements, all the PTFS and the RC as and
• 27:59
  then the number of ox routes and the number of J routes.
• 28:03
  And your steward will have like a it's a formula office
• 28:08
  calculator tool that they can enter it in and it'll manually
• 28:12
  do it in like an Excel spreadsheet.
• 28:14
  Management also has the ability to calculate it and they have
• 28:20
  the same calculator. You'll enter the regular, the
• 28:24
  number of regular K routes, number of regular J routes,
• 28:27
  number of OX routes available leave replacement.
• 28:30
  So like if you have, if you have a leave replacement who's just
• 28:36
  gone for a week because they're off on leave, they're still
• 28:40
  considered available in the scheme of the formula.
• 28:44
  But if you have a leave replacement who is on OWCP
• 28:50
  injury, I would probably say that there and there's no end
• 28:54
  insight of when they're coming back.
• 28:56
  I, I probably would not include them as an available leave
• 28:59
  replacement. Or if they're on like military
• 29:02
  leave with no end insight, those, those would be, but it's,
• 29:07
  it's pretty rare that they're all not available.
• 29:13
  So then so then the next part of this section C non Saturday
• 29:19
  relief days are Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday,
• 29:24
  which includes a Friday slash Saturday rotating.
• 29:29
  The employer will not require a single non Saturday relief day
• 29:33
  to be assigned to more than a Saturday than more than a
• 29:37
  Saturday relief day. While the employer determines
• 29:41
  which non Saturday relief days benefit the office, the non
• 29:45
  Saturday relief day should be spread evenly throughout the
• 29:49
  week. A Friday slash Saturday rotating
• 29:51
  relief day or any pair of a Friday slash Saturday rotating
• 29:56
  relief day equates to one Friday relief day.
• 30:00
  And I'm going to repeat that because this gets misconstrued a
• 30:06
  lot by management and I've, I've, I've had to deal with this
• 30:08
  a couple times. A Friday slash Saturday rotating
• 30:11
  relief day or any pair of a Friday slash Saturday rotating
• 30:15
  relief days equates to one Friday relief day.
• 30:20
  When a Friday relief day is offered, the carrier may elect a
• 30:24
  Friday slash Saturday rotating relief day.
• 30:27
  So let's say for math sake I have we'll we'll just do this.
• 30:35
  So we'll have I have 20, there's 20K routes, there is 2 JS and
• 30:41
  there's two OX routes and there is 9 available leave
• 30:46
  replacements. The maximum non Saturday release
• 30:52
  days on K routes would be 18. So then you would take the 18
• 30:58
  and you would divide it by the five other days that aren't
• 31:02
  Saturday. So you would have 3.6 people off
• 31:06
  on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday.
• 31:10
  And like I had already just said, they could choose Friday
• 31:14
  and choose that Friday, Saturday rotating.
• 31:17
  And part of the reason why I, I, this is just, this is me in the
• 31:23
  leads a little bit. I think that they the, the
• 31:26
  Friday Saturday rotating bit is in our contract because it's
• 31:30
  kind of another, it's the give and take between the Postal
• 31:33
  Service and the union that it's allowed you to kind of balance
• 31:38
  out with those formula offices that Friday, Saturday rotation.
• 31:44
  So that it's still showing you got that benefit of having the
• 31:48
  Saturday off. And then if you have a Friday
• 31:51
  Saturday rotating, you would have like either a management
• 31:56
  messes this up all the time too. You would you, you have, you
• 32:01
  would have like Friday from week 1 and then Saturday from week
• 32:05
  two of the pay period or vice versa, you'd have Friday of week
• 32:10
  two of the pay period and the first Saturday of the pay
• 32:12
  period. I can, I can speak on that
• 32:16
  because I have the, the, the rotation.
• 32:18
  And before you know, before I get into that, there is a Step 4
• 32:23
  settlement that says that anybody with a Friday relief day
• 32:28
  in the formula can elect to choose the rotation.
• 32:33
  So if that's, if your postmaster says, Nope, you can't have it
• 32:37
  because I can't afford to have more people not here on
• 32:40
  Saturday. Not true.
• 32:42
  They have to allow you. You have the option and they
• 32:45
  have to allow you to have it. Whether or not you get mandated
• 32:48
  every Saturday is a different story.
• 32:52
  Well, and what I just read, I mean, it was Step 4 or not.
• 32:56
  Like that's the black and white language in and then I'm reading
• 32:59
  that straight from the new, the new, the newly printed contract
• 33:05
  on the website. Now it it is my understanding
• 33:09
  though too with ox routes, if you have an ox route you can
• 33:14
  only do it six days. You don't have the five in one
• 33:18
  option in a formula of office, so would that make those aux
• 33:24
  route RC as not available? They because of the fact because
• 33:30
  of the fact that they are the the number of aux routes are
• 33:34
  included in this formula calculator.
• 33:37
  They are the. The aux routes are already taken
• 33:41
  into consideration and you would still include them in the
• 33:46
  available leave replacements. OK.
• 33:48
  I know a lot of that's, there's management that get that
• 33:51
  confused a lot too, but they're available even if they're going
• 33:56
  to be doing the OX route because this, this calculator has a spot
• 34:00
  that you have to write in how many type in however many OX
• 34:04
  routes you have. Got you.
• 34:06
  Now management can also, I, I kind of started, I showed some
• 34:13
  of my managers this. They could, they could.
• 34:15
  Different managers can do different things.
• 34:17
  It depends on the size of your office too.
• 34:19
  But like you could take like an excel spreadsheet and go
• 34:24
  Saturday, week one, Saturday Week 2 and then like Monday,
• 34:28
  Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
• 34:30
  And you could put like, this is how many people I need to have
• 34:34
  off on each of the days with this formula and go, OK, like if
• 34:43
  you're, I'm, I'm just speaking right now in terms of like, if
• 34:46
  it just was implemented and management had not hired,
• 34:51
  they've done everything that they could and it was just
• 34:53
  implemented, right? And so let's say like in the
• 34:56
  scenario that I'm doing right now, you need to, so you'd have
• 35:00
  your one J each week and then you would have 2K routes.
• 35:08
  So you'd have three people off on Saturday and then you have 9
• 35:13
  Subs, but you still need to cover your two OX routes.
• 35:18
  So there's 5 routes automatically on Saturday
• 35:23
  covered, but management can now approve four days for people to
• 35:29
  be off on Saturday for with annual leave or sick leave, You
• 35:32
  know, so that you get what I'm saying.
• 35:34
  Like they if, if management is correctly doing the formula and
• 35:40
  they have balanced out each of the days, they should be able to
• 35:47
  see like, oh, OK, I can approve for people to be off now on
• 35:50
  Saturday. Now does that make sense or am I
• 35:54
  like in the weeds? No, it makes sense because if
• 35:58
  you properly have that formula done, you will have a leave
• 36:03
  replacement that may not be scheduled on a Saturday.
• 36:06
  Therefore, that's going to make them available to cover any
• 36:10
  requested time requested time off.
• 36:12
  Yes, exactly. And actually, unless you have an
• 36:18
  H route in your office, if you have in, you said what, 20
• 36:23
  routes in this example, yeah, the H routes are not included in
• 36:28
  the formula at all. But what I'm saying is unless
• 36:31
  you have an H route in on the rolls you could have 100% relief
• 36:37
  coverage and it will still tell you you need one non Saturday.
• 36:42
  Yes. So if you have 20 routes and you
• 36:45
  say you have 20 Subs, it'll still say 1 route needs to be on
• 36:49
  a non Saturday and that's an issue with the if.
• 36:52
  If anybody wants that change, they need to do a resolution and
• 36:57
  try and change what the stuff I just read because it is very
• 37:02
  specific. The other thing that could
• 37:05
  happen is let's say that you don't have a lot of Subs and
• 37:10
  even when you're entering things into the formula and, and you're
• 37:14
  going to have management who tries to do this too.
• 37:16
  This is that's, This is why it's, it's up to management to
• 37:21
  choose which days, but it still has to be evenly distributed
• 37:27
  throughout the other days of the week that aren't Saturday.
• 37:30
  And you can't have any day on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
• 37:33
  Thursday or Friday that have more people off than Saturday.
• 37:37
  So if you have a manager who goes, I don't want to offer
• 37:41
  Monday, then that's, that's an issue like you.
• 37:45
  And like, let's say they just threw everybody on Wednesday
• 37:48
  because they thought it was convenient.
• 37:50
  Like in this scenario, they decided they were going to have
• 37:52
  like 5 people off on Wednesday and none on Monday.
• 37:56
  That's an issue with the formula.
• 37:59
  If you're a I would say they they are because when we first
• 38:06
  went formula they actually did not include Mondays and they
• 38:10
  actually this the postmaster at the time wanted Monday and
• 38:14
  Friday and our our Dr. told them no, it's one or the other.
• 38:19
  As long as over the other four days Tuesday, Wednesday,
• 38:24
  Thursday, Friday. In this situation you can still
• 38:27
  maintain less than Saturday. You're fine.
• 38:32
  Our new we actually at some point like 3 years into it, the
• 38:36
  new put the new postmaster said no we're going to include
• 38:40
  Monday. So they had to redo the the
• 38:43
  formula. They started from scratch top to
• 38:45
  bottom and redid the formula at which point I changed to the
• 38:50
  Friday, Saturday rotation from Wednesday.
• 38:54
  If and I'll I'll just preface this to the formula like
• 38:59
  completely being redone like completely as a reset it.
• 39:04
  It's like a rarity forever happening.
• 39:07
  And I think I think the there might and I'm getting off in the
• 39:12
  weeds possibly with SNDCS. But in most cases, if your
• 39:16
  office is established on the formula, you can't just take
• 39:20
  away from days of the week or and whatnot.
• 39:23
  So if you bid to a route that has a Tuesday relief day and
• 39:30
  let's say you used to have Saturday, you, you're going to
• 39:33
  Tuesday. You don't get to just switch it
• 39:35
  to a Saturday. Now you're the route.
• 39:38
  It, it stays with the route. Yes.
• 39:42
  The only the only instance that it does not stay with the route
• 39:49
  is if you're in RCA. And I've got to look on PTF too.
• 39:53
  If you're just going regular on a route and it has a Saturday
• 39:57
  relief day, then that Saturday needs to be offered by seniority
• 40:02
  to people that don't already have the Saturday.
• 40:04
  But yes, if PTFS anyone anyone converting to a regular on a new
• 40:09
  route? If it has a Saturday they can
• 40:13
  switch it to a midweek. Or I should say to a non
• 40:16
  Saturday relief day, Yeah. And then as you mentioned
• 40:19
  offered by seniority the most senior non Saturday on down if
• 40:26
  they want to switch to Saturday. Yeah, if so, let's say when you
• 40:32
  get like an influx of if, if you're gaining or losing RC as
• 40:37
  or leave replacements in general, the formula is supposed
• 40:42
  to be recalculated each time. And now granted there's going to
• 40:46
  be, and I've seen this happen once in my office.
• 40:48
  It was crazy. You could not have enough leave
• 40:51
  replacements and it kind of off balances the formula and it
• 40:55
  still has you still have to maintain it where the Saturday
• 40:59
  at least still have one more person than the rest of the
• 41:01
  week. But we didn't have enough Subs,
• 41:04
  so they were there ended up mandating people on Saturday.
• 41:07
  If if what was I going to say? Oh my gosh, it just, it just
• 41:12
  went poof because there's so much with the formula I can
• 41:15
  think of. I I can tell you, I know crazy
• 41:18
  in scenarios. We we've had the situation where
• 41:22
  they opted not to recalculate for multiple months because of
• 41:26
  that same situation that we were going to lose, but we already
• 41:31
  were maxed out on how many non Saturdays we could have Yeah, on
• 41:36
  all five days. So it's like there's no point in
• 41:39
  redoing it because no one's going to.
• 41:41
  You can't move anyone. Yeah.
• 41:43
  And the time when it gets, let's say that they recalculated it.
• 41:49
  And this has been the scenario that's happened mostly for us.
• 41:52
  They had to take away from Saturday and put them into the
• 41:55
  week because we lost Subs. Oh, oh.
• 41:59
  The other time that they can recalculate is a, let's say that
• 42:02
  the number of J routes fluctuates in the K routes.
• 42:06
  So when we get these new evaluations every six months,
• 42:09
  state management should probably be recalculating the formula.
• 42:13
  Don't know if that's happening, but because it confuses the hell
• 42:17
  out of them and they don't like to do it.
• 42:19
  If you're the small office, it really shouldn't be too bad.
• 42:22
  It's the larger offices that I could see it really being an
• 42:26
  issue. But if you have a manager who's
• 42:28
  on top of it, which they should be if they're if they're a rule
• 42:32
  office and they're like and they know their formula like they
• 42:36
  need to, they should have like the person doing the scheduling
• 42:40
  or the the rule supervisor specific shouldn't have it
• 42:46
  memorized for their for the Subs or for the the regulars relief
• 42:51
  days and know who your H routes are.
• 42:54
  But it's some of them are just like I could, I could tell you
• 42:57
  my offices for between the two stations.
• 43:00
  Like it's just ingrained in me because I know and even with
• 43:06
  like the fluctuation of like you're going to have some of
• 43:08
  your J routes that don't have high option that might all of a
• 43:12
  sudden like go up a few minutes and they became AK route again.
• 43:16
  And so that's going to off balance like that.
• 43:18
  It's going to change. So if they're just educating
• 43:23
  themselves, and I hope if there's a manager listening to
• 43:25
  this, please like educate yourself on the formula.
• 43:28
  If there's telecons that you have, list about the formula, be
• 43:32
  all about it and hear it. So in my office, what they've
• 43:37
  done before, they've recalculated it.
• 43:39
  Let's say they had to take away from the Saturday.
• 43:43
  The junior people on Saturday would be the ones like, let's
• 43:48
  say nobody wanted to move to the rest of the week voluntarily.
• 43:52
  Like, let's say somebody was like, well, I'll move, like I'll
• 43:56
  move to another day, you know, But if, if nobody says that they
• 44:00
  want to move, then the, the junior people lose it and then
• 44:04
  they're going to be placed probably like Wednesday or
• 44:07
  Thursday. That's been like the because
• 44:09
  typically the people who are on Monday don't want to move in my
• 44:14
  experience with it, because I wouldn't want to move on Monday,
• 44:17
  Relief day on Monday, they shouldn't be moving you anyway
• 44:21
  unless it's offering Saturday. Yeah, but I've seen it also
• 44:24
  where like, yeah, where they've like if let's say you had a
• 44:28
  Wednesday or a Thursday, you know, given like I tell you
• 44:31
  what, but I had Wednesday and I loved it because it gives you a
• 44:35
  day during the week to make appointments.
• 44:38
  Like Christian was saying. Well, that has during the week.
• 44:42
  Yeah. And you work 3 days, you get a
• 44:44
  day off, you work 4 days. You know, you work 2 days, you
• 44:48
  get a day off, you work 3 days, you get a day off.
• 44:50
  Yeah. And I, I know a lot of people
• 44:53
  that like having Tuesday off, Tuesday off, because you get all
• 44:57
  the, because of all those Monday holidays, you get that day after
• 45:00
  the holiday off, Right. But like I said, I'll tell you.
• 45:04
  This instance I haven't heard enough about her three day
• 45:08
  weekend with Tuesday being veteran's day so her holiday
• 45:11
  reverts to Monday. Yeah, trust me I have.
• 45:14
  I hear about it every day. Love you.
• 45:16
  Yeah. Well, and then yeah, the and
• 45:22
  then well, that was one of the topics we could we if you're
• 45:26
  they typically work the holiday people before they work the the
• 45:30
  relief day people. But yeah, if you get it, I'll.
• 45:33
  Be going over the holiday stuff next week guys, so bear with us,
• 45:38
  yeah? Yeah, and I know that there's
• 45:41
  like there's I used when I first went regular, I had Thursdays
• 45:44
  off and now I'm I have Friday. I've, I've had the opportunity
• 45:48
  to move to a Saturday and I got worried about moving to Saturday
• 45:53
  because I was, I knew the sub fluctuation that I would be like
• 45:58
  the lowest in seniority on that day.
• 46:02
  But anyways, if management's smart about it, and even if I, I
• 46:07
  would, I used to like look at it and go, OK, yeah, Saturday, week
• 46:11
  1, it has these people off and I would, I would like kind of look
• 46:14
  at them by seniority. And then like Week 2, 'cause you
• 46:19
  have the J routes there too, for especially for like relief day
• 46:22
  work lists. And then like Monday and each
• 46:25
  day. And then you could have like the
• 46:26
  Friday people and you would write like either week 1 or Week
• 46:29
  2 for them for which like the rotating.
• 46:34
  And then it's also kind of nice too with that Friday, Saturday
• 46:37
  rotation because that also helps balance out that Saturday to
• 46:41
  show you have more people off. But even though it's still
• 46:45
  considered Friday as their relief day, if you trying to
• 46:50
  think of what else with the formula that needed to be I went
• 46:54
  over, yeah, like if you if you bid to another route, it's going
• 46:59
  to be whatever the relief day is on that route.
• 47:02
  So be weary of that. And it should be posted with
• 47:06
  what that relief day is. Yes, when you when you bid to
• 47:09
  that route. Oh, if not enough regulars want
• 47:14
  to choose Saturday, management will can mandate the junior
• 47:20
  regulars to be Saturday like they were like, no, I don't want
• 47:24
  to do that. And I've seen that happen once
• 47:28
  because people didn't want to lose their Mondays.
• 47:29
  But OK, let's say I dubs let you say what you're going to say.
• 47:35
  Sorry. I would say I don't think I've
• 47:37
  ever heard of a scenario where people do, you know, refuse to
• 47:43
  go to Saturday. You know, in mass like that.
• 47:47
  Usually people want it. But I can understand if you
• 47:50
  already have Monday, you don't want to give that up.
• 47:52
  Yeah, if you're in an office, that's formula.
• 47:56
  And let's say that you got like management all of a sudden
• 47:58
  started hiring and retaining Subs then and they redo the
• 48:03
  formula and the the week loses days.
• 48:08
  And that's like this scenario where like Monday, let's say
• 48:11
  there's like all these people on Monday.
• 48:13
  And you know, the other part of it too is like the junior people
• 48:20
  would lose their Monday unless they move decided to move to
• 48:25
  Saturday of their own volition there.
• 48:29
  The other weird scenario I know that's been going on, there's
• 48:33
  offices that are being adjusted. And I'm just going to read this
• 48:37
  as a step for settlements because I know there's been some
• 48:41
  people. And if and this is in the
• 48:45
  scenario like if you didn't just bid to a route with a Tuesday,
• 48:48
  Wednesday, Thursday, this is like if the formula was
• 48:53
  recalculated and you could choose like Tuesday, Wednesday
• 48:56
  or Thursday and you they voluntarily chose it with this
• 49:00
  agreement. But this is Step 4 settlement
• 49:04
  Article 9.2 dot C .5 that the outlines of procedures for
• 49:09
  signing relief days other than Saturday in offices in which the
• 49:13
  formula has been implemented to include those situations when
• 49:16
  recalculation occurs. The parties agree that any rule
• 49:19
  carrier that voluntarily selects Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday
• 49:23
  as the relief day will be given the incentive of allowing the
• 49:27
  routes evaluation to increase to and maintain an evaluation of 53
• 49:33
  to 55 standard hours for the period he or she is assigned to
• 49:38
  the route with that relief day. When adjustments are necessary,
• 49:42
  the route will not be adjusted below a 53 to 55 standard hours
• 49:46
  except for reasons consistent with contractual provisions and
• 49:49
  applicable regulations. Conversely, these provisions are
• 49:53
  not applicable if the rural carrier is assigned Tuesday,
• 49:57
  Wednesday or Thursday as the relief day based on juniority.
• 50:01
  So that is like a incentive with formula.
• 50:08
  The other thing that I also think personally like as a sub
• 50:14
  from a formula office, the IT and like the feast and famine
• 50:19
  balance between RCA retention and I and like what I've seen.
• 50:24
  Like there's, you know, the offices where they had Subs for
• 50:30
  that were Subs for a long, long time.
• 50:33
  Typically I've seen like the offices and I, I you're able to,
• 50:39
  you're only guaranteed one day a week as a sub.
• 50:41
  But because of the formula, I was able to gain more work and
• 50:48
  thus it helped kind of retain me because if I was only working
• 50:51
  one day a week, I'd, I wouldn't have probably stuck around.
• 50:55
  I mean, there was a couple times where it got a little rough.
• 50:58
  Like we, they'd, we had 45 RC as at one point and they were
• 51:03
  freaking out. And so there's kind of a
• 51:05
  percentage that I, I don't, I don't foresee and I wish I could
• 51:12
  be more optimistic about this, but I know that it is not
• 51:16
  possible for some offices to ever get to 100% Subs.
• 51:20
  Like, I don't, I don't think my office could.
• 51:23
  I don't think Josh's office could.
• 51:25
  I, you know, in all. Honesty I have never seen my
• 51:30
  office even when I transferred in going on what are we at?
• 51:35
  What is this? So it's been 7 years ago when I
• 51:39
  transferred in. I transferred in on the H route
• 51:43
  and at the time the ox carrier was doing the five in one with
• 51:47
  the POV route. We had one RCA that was on hold
• 51:52
  down with route 4 and then three didn't have 111.
• 52:00
  Yeah, we still weren't in a well, no wait, three did have
• 52:03
  1:00 and 11:00. So we may have been at a full
• 52:06
  complement when I first transferred in.
• 52:09
  That quickly changed because only had a route that went up
• 52:12
  forbid shortly after. And then we had a couple RCA's
• 52:18
  that left, one went to a different craft, one went to a
• 52:21
  different office for Hwy. contract route.
• 52:25
  And so, yeah, and that left us with the three amigos for a
• 52:29
  while until that one transferred out to go the chance to go
• 52:33
  regular in another office. And I couldn't tell you how many
• 52:37
  I saw coming in and out the revolving door before I went
• 52:40
  regular. It too much to count such a
• 52:44
  small. Yeah, we we had like when?
• 52:47
  The point where we had 45 Subs, they were fighting with each
• 52:51
  other. It was kind of like it was a
• 52:54
  weird and it was, we had two pages, the schedule was 2 pages
• 52:59
  and I was like, yeah, that'll never happen again.
• 53:01
  But for just the sub schedule. But they, yeah, I just don't
• 53:07
  think that there's there's, there's got to be a balance.
• 53:10
  And I think that the bones of the formula are good, but it
• 53:17
  does need some tweaking to more to modernize it to where we're
• 53:25
  at as role carriers because we like I, I wish I could have a
• 53:31
  Monday relief day that might happen.
• 53:33
  I mean, there's, there's a couple in my station.
• 53:37
  I think there's four of them and they love it.
• 53:39
  And I almost bid to 11 route because I knew if I bid to it,
• 53:44
  I'd have Mondays off. And I was, I'm a senior enough
• 53:48
  that I wouldn't lose it. And I knew I was going to,
• 53:52
  there's some, I've had a, I've seen it where somebody actually
• 53:57
  did go regular on a Monday route and everybody was losing their
• 54:00
  minds over it. And I was like, no, that's,
• 54:03
  that's their relief day. And you're going to have people
• 54:06
  who try and reset the whole formula all the time and think
• 54:10
  that it needs to be a clean slate.
• 54:11
  And they, and most of the time it's because they want Monday or
• 54:15
  Friday. I've had that happen before too.
• 54:18
  It just kind of depends on on who you are and being that on
• 54:22
  your office, I guess, but I don't know.
• 54:25
  I I'm more pro formula because of that fact that they're
• 54:30
  they're able to balance it out. And I know somebody had said
• 54:36
  this in the chat too. If you, and I'm going to say
• 54:39
  this more in terms of like, I know what you can put that
• 54:43
  formula calculator of this does not take into consideration.
• 54:49
  If you have regulars on extended leave, that's going to be on
• 54:54
  management for when they're approving leave to determine,
• 54:58
  you know, if you have somebody who's gone or we had it one time
• 55:03
  where we had a regular who was, they were two or four being and
• 55:10
  I had, I had a couple people they were, we were watching
• 55:12
  because our leave was getting denied.
• 55:16
  And that's why there's a contractual provision like after
• 55:19
  180 days they have to go back to the route which is newer into
• 55:23
  the contract. Yeah, that one came out in the
• 55:27
  last. Contract.
• 55:28
  Well, that was the same for like if you have a carrier in your
• 55:34
  office that is on full time union detail, yes, you know that
• 55:38
  sub is still coded as available. Yeah, yeah.
• 55:42
  And management if if. They're smart.
• 55:45
  I mean like you could put like an Excel spreadsheet together.
• 55:49
  Like I said, you have it. It shouldn't be that hard to do
• 55:54
  a rule carrier schedule because you have the same days off and
• 55:58
  especially I mean in a non formula.
• 56:00
  Yeah, but then like in a formula, they all have the same
• 56:03
  days. You haven't, if you haven't
• 56:05
  recalculated it, they and all you got to do is fill in for
• 56:10
  your, your annual and sick leave.
• 56:14
  Or if you got somebody on extended like leave for two O 4
• 56:17
  being a union official, you got somebody out for OWCP, whatever
• 56:23
  it is, you know, and they could make it like on the bottom of
• 56:26
  that excel spreadsheet like, oh, OK, I have to cover route one
• 56:30
  and five also, you know, and then they could it if, like I
• 56:35
  said, if they're, if they're doing the formula correctly,
• 56:37
  then they can at least see how much leave they can improve.
• 56:42
  I've noticed though, the only bad side is when there's,
• 56:47
  there's a couple times where we had, how do I explain it?
• 56:52
  We had like a lot of people out on leave and like it was just a
• 56:55
  weird balance and they were only able to approve like one, one
• 56:59
  person every Saturday to be on annual.
• 57:02
  And so like you, if you didn't set that timer for yourself to
• 57:05
  put in that leave 60 days out, you know, that was kind of a
• 57:10
  problem. But that's again, that's so
• 57:14
  that's on management to be hiring and retaining the Subs.
• 57:19
  And if they're good managers and they're calculating the formula
• 57:24
  the way they should be, then it should help balance that and
• 57:29
  hopefully make life a little bit easier for the regulars for all
• 57:32
  world carriers. But I don't, I know that that's
• 57:36
  not always the case. I'm trying to think of what else
• 57:40
  with the formula and if you're in office where like management
• 57:47
  all of a sudden just decides that they want to do formula,
• 57:53
  that's concerning. I mean, they really have to show
• 57:58
  that they did not hire and that includes like the manager has
• 58:02
  the ability to get a Mailer out and post job postings while they
• 58:10
  sent out the Mailer and that they posted it in like different
• 58:16
  job sites that they, I know that they can even an informed
• 58:21
  delivery now on the website on the OR on the the e-mail
• 58:26
  notifications for customers. They can even put something in
• 58:29
  there to try and hire people. So it shouldn't just be a, a, a
• 58:35
  solution for that. Did you want me to go over the
• 58:40
  PTF Part 2? Yeah, go ahead.
• 58:43
  OK, let me get let. Me get to that.
• 58:45
  Believe if I can, I should have just had it open in another tab
• 58:50
  like hear me and then and I told you it's like the new contract.
• 58:52
  I have to like look, wait a second.
• 58:57
  So article. 30 dot. 2 dot A and like I said, article 30.2 is RC
• 59:04
  AS and PT FS best friend. The employer shall make every
• 59:08
  effort to exponentially fill leave replacement vacancies when
• 59:12
  they occur. Regular rule carrier shall have
• 59:14
  the the right to require that a leave replacement be assigned to
• 59:18
  their route, which I wish that they they could do that, but
• 59:22
  I've seen one office or. Sorry, I've seen.
• 59:24
  Two fully staffed and they had an extra RCA because they didn't
• 59:29
  realize they had hired that many.
• 59:31
  But they didn't. They didn't have hours so they
• 59:33
  jumped ship. The establishment of a part
• 59:38
  time. Flexible rule carrier.
• 59:39
  Assignment is at the discretion of the employer.
• 59:42
  However, the employer is required to establish such
• 59:46
  assignments equal to 10% of the number of K routes in the office
• 59:51
  when the relief day of one or more regular routes is changed
• 59:56
  in accordance with Article 9.2 dot C .5.
• 1:00:00
  Additionally, a part time flexible assignment will be
• 1:00:02
  established. When hiring efforts have been
• 1:00:04
  unsuccessful following the regular rule carrier's request
• 1:00:08
  for assignment of a leave replacement provided the part
• 1:00:12
  time flexible rule carrier will be assigned 2K routes.
• 1:00:17
  So if you're a formula office, you should be have you should
• 1:00:22
  have PTFS 10%. So let's like, what did I say in
• 1:00:26
  my, in my fun math occasion I did earlier, there's like what
• 1:00:31
  so 20, 20K routes times 10%. So you should have, if you have
• 1:00:37
  20 K routes in your office, you should have two PTFS at least.
• 1:00:42
  And honestly, if management is having a big issue and I'm going
• 1:00:48
  to, I'll, I'll stand on the soapbox and say this and their,
• 1:00:51
  their turnovers real high and they're worried about RCA like
• 1:00:56
  losing these RC as like you should be really trying to get
• 1:01:01
  some PTFS cause the PTFS are making like 25 something an
• 1:01:04
  hour, 25 or 26. I think it just went up, didn't
• 1:01:07
  it too, 'cause they're about to. Yeah, I know.
• 1:01:12
  I know I'm about to look my. Hourly wage, yeah.
• 1:01:15
  And the, the PTFS actually have the it's, it's higher because
• 1:01:20
  they have their holiday pay 'cause they don't get holidays.
• 1:01:24
  They're they're at 2633 an hour. Yeah, 'cause their holiday pay
• 1:01:28
  is divided. Equally, they take the what the
• 1:01:33
  lump sum of the holidays would be and divide it equally across
• 1:01:37
  the board for them across the 50 to the 26 periods.
• 1:01:41
  But that. That wage they have to remember
• 1:01:44
  that their overtime wage is less than that holiday.
• 1:01:48
  With that with that holiday, you'd have to do difference of
• 1:01:53
  the holiday to get your. Normal wage that's.
• 1:01:55
  What you would take for overtime?
• 1:01:58
  Yeah, but yeah, I mean. They're making 26.
• 1:02:02
  What did I just say? It was 26 something an hour, one
• 1:02:06
  minute, one minute. Well, I'm like where the.
• 1:02:08
  Heck, did it just go? Oh my God, I have too many tabs
• 1:02:11
  opened. But if if you're a smart
• 1:02:15
  manager, you, I mean, I and I had, we had this one time where
• 1:02:18
  we had a bunch of PTFS. And I know that there's, if you
• 1:02:22
  have enough K routes to sustain them because you got to have two
• 1:02:26
  to 5K routes for them. And you can try and balance it
• 1:02:29
  with the RC as pay them the $26.33 an hour.
• 1:02:35
  You know, get instead of even if, like let's say you're not
• 1:02:41
  going to have any routes available for a long time, at
• 1:02:44
  least they're earning towards their retirement and they're not
• 1:02:48
  having to be essentially a career RCA.
• 1:02:52
  They're earning, they're earning towards retirement and it's
• 1:02:56
  counting towards it, you know, but so if yeah, like I said, if
• 1:03:01
  you're a formula office and you have no PTFS, there's something
• 1:03:06
  wrong. But unless you're a format,
• 1:03:08
  well, no, you wouldn't. If you're a formula office and
• 1:03:10
  you're all let's say, I don't even know if this is a scenario.
• 1:03:14
  It's an all H route office. Let's say that you know, or
• 1:03:21
  maybe 1 J I knew. I knew of an office not too far
• 1:03:25
  from. Me that was all HS and Hwy.
• 1:03:29
  contracts huh? So maybe that.
• 1:03:33
  One would be one that has that, one might be one that doesn't
• 1:03:36
  have APTF, Right, right. Yeah.
• 1:03:41
  Obviously, but they're still in. Total the Subs.
• 1:03:43
  Yes they are they are they still?
• 1:03:45
  Yep. That's yeah, based.
• 1:03:47
  On what I just said, the the employer may shall make, not may
• 1:03:52
  shall make every effort to expeditiously filled leave
• 1:03:55
  replacement vacancies when they occur.
• 1:03:57
  Regular carrier shall have the right to require that a leave
• 1:03:59
  replacement be assigned to their route.
• 1:04:01
  And if management's failing 120 day letters, they're supposed to
• 1:04:04
  be post in PTF positions. I think there's only like, this
• 1:04:10
  is another thing that a lot of people, I, I think you know, we
• 1:04:14
  talked about, I, I talked about PTFS a little bit more because
• 1:04:17
  my office has some, but we actually have more RCAS and PTFS
• 1:04:21
  now. And I think they're about to
• 1:04:23
  post another PTF position after a route comes down.
• 1:04:26
  And typically offices will post the routes before they post the
• 1:04:30
  PTF positions because they're just going to get sucked into
• 1:04:32
  there anyways. But well, contractually they
• 1:04:36
  have 30 days to post a regular route where there is no contract
• 1:04:40
  to align how long it takes to post the PTF.
• 1:04:42
  Yeah. And the, and that implementation
• 1:04:45
  of them having the PTFS is from the last contract.
• 1:04:48
  So yes. So that that could be a work in
• 1:04:52
  progress thing. Oh, what was I going to say?
• 1:04:55
  Oh my gosh, I cannot remember now.
• 1:04:57
  Oh my God. I know I can kind of go off in
• 1:04:59
  the weeds on this, but 120 day letters, Oh that there's only
• 1:05:05
  about there's not as many PTFS in the country as as people
• 1:05:09
  think that there are. No, there is not.
• 1:05:12
  In fact, there's like just. Looking at in the numbers from,
• 1:05:17
  I think it was state convention that I saw, yeah, there's only
• 1:05:21
  like there's, there's about. 24 to 25,000 RC as but there's only
• 1:05:27
  about 4000 to 4200 ETFs and then there's what 85,000 rural routes
• 1:05:35
  in the whole country I've got I got this this stuff from.
• 1:05:39
  State convention. So it's a little you know how it
• 1:05:43
  it was as of Mark. Oh that was just numbered here
• 1:05:47
  yeah. And if while you're while you're
• 1:05:50
  looking. That up, but if if especially
• 1:05:52
  like in the offices that have gone through adjustments that
• 1:05:56
  are formula and they've created routes that would be a
• 1:06:00
  recalculation of the. Formula.
• 1:06:03
  That would negate like, hey, something changed here.
• 1:06:06
  So I mean the numbers are are. Are are going back Looks like
• 1:06:12
  pay period 7 of 2025 when these statistics were done, we had
• 1:06:19
  75,966 regular carriers, 4661 PTFS, 6635 arcs, 42,082 RCARCR
• 1:06:36
  Subs. Oh wow.
• 1:06:38
  Yeah, so that was. Well, there is more than yeah.
• 1:06:41
  Yeah. So there is definitely. 10 times
• 1:06:43
  as. Many RC Subs RCASRCRSI only
• 1:06:48
  think there's only a couple RCRS left in the country, but yeah,
• 1:06:52
  the other thing is 10 times as many.
• 1:06:55
  RCA. Right, people are over PTFS.
• 1:06:59
  The other thing, the RT as. That it really sucks is that a
• 1:07:03
  lot of them that because management's not been made
• 1:07:07
  retaining them and the formula is designed partially for
• 1:07:13
  retention. I mean, it's, it's to help with
• 1:07:17
  that, to even help with the regulars and then the manage the
• 1:07:21
  overtime. There's a lot of different
• 1:07:22
  things that they can be using it for.
• 1:07:25
  But management also is really bad about releasing the Subs out
• 1:07:31
  of the system. So some of those numbers might
• 1:07:34
  not even be correct. It might be less because they
• 1:07:38
  just they never put in a, a resignation letter or management
• 1:07:42
  just left them on the books. So if that's the case, though,
• 1:07:47
  and like your management's calculating the formula and the
• 1:07:51
  seniority list says like you have all this these Subs like
• 1:07:54
  that's an issue and management might be like they're not
• 1:07:57
  available and be like, OK, well then get them out of the system
• 1:08:00
  then, you know, like they're gone.
• 1:08:05
  But yeah. And so, yeah, like I was saying
• 1:08:07
  that if there's, if your office like gained routes, that's a,
• 1:08:12
  an, or the amount of day of routes that need a relief day,
• 1:08:16
  that's a formula recalculation Subs.
• 1:08:20
  Like if you just got an influx of Subs, management should be
• 1:08:23
  recalculating that formula. I've had it one time where
• 1:08:26
  management had recalculated it after they hired about 5 Subs.
• 1:08:32
  And they, they argued with me that they didn't think that they
• 1:08:35
  were available yet because they were still inside of that the
• 1:08:40
  the two full pay periods on their primary.
• 1:08:43
  So kind of keep that in mind too, that if you know, if they
• 1:08:47
  haven't even gone through Academy, I, I don't know if I
• 1:08:49
  would consider them available yet.
• 1:08:51
  But once they're out of that, yeah.
• 1:08:53
  But once they're out of that and they're out of that, then two
• 1:08:56
  pay periods on their primary route, yeah.
• 1:08:59
  Then they they. They.
• 1:09:01
  Should be in that formula calculation because I'm pro pro
• 1:09:04
  for that Saturday if it, especially if it's going to
• 1:09:09
  increase The Saturdays of people being off.
• 1:09:12
  But anything else, Josh, that do you think I missed?
• 1:09:17
  I can't think of anything. You were pretty thorough.
• 1:09:21
  I know there was an my not my office, but another office in
• 1:09:25
  the in the district that they recalculated once a month just
• 1:09:30
  because it was the influx of, you know, influx of Subs coming
• 1:09:36
  and going and or becoming, you know, converting to regular.
• 1:09:41
  It was just too hard every time they had a change to do it
• 1:09:48
  because otherwise they'd be doing it like almost every week.
• 1:09:52
  You know, as we mentioned at the towards the top of the episode,
• 1:09:57
  if you have a Friday relief, it is your option upon getting the
• 1:10:02
  Friday if you want just Friday or Friday Saturday rotation and
• 1:10:06
  that counts as a Friday on the formula for the relief day.
• 1:10:13
  So I can't think of anything else off the top of my head.
• 1:10:15
  And now I don't like I I'll go out from the weeds of other side
• 1:10:18
  quests with the formula that there.
• 1:10:23
  And like I said. They, they have that formula
• 1:10:25
  calculator, so it should be easy.
• 1:10:29
  I say that with an asterisk here, you know, for them to
• 1:10:33
  enter it in and figure that out. You would think it's just a
• 1:10:37
  matter of them actually. Doing their.
• 1:10:39
  Jobs, which is a whole total different topic to begin with.
• 1:10:43
  Exactly. Yeah, which is when you need to
• 1:10:46
  get. Your steward involved in holding
• 1:10:49
  them accountable to doing that? Yeah, there is.
• 1:10:52
  I've I've also heard lately too, there's some smaller offices
• 1:10:56
  that may be formula and they're not.
• 1:10:58
  And I would just encourage you to figure out if you are a
• 1:11:00
  formula office because that because that could kind of
• 1:11:04
  change things for you. And in your understanding of
• 1:11:08
  some of some of this, you know, like the five in one, if you're
• 1:11:11
  in RCA and you and you your office has an ox route, you
• 1:11:16
  know, because I did like you're actually who I learned that from
• 1:11:20
  because I never had, we never have had that ability here.
• 1:11:24
  Yeah, I did A5 in one with the. With my primary when I had the
• 1:11:28
  Ox, the POV route was my primary at the time.
• 1:11:33
  I did A5 in one with that. I hardly ever worked my primary
• 1:11:38
  though, so yeah. Sadly, I can count on one hand.
• 1:11:45
  How many times I ran that primary for an actual K day in
• 1:11:50
  the year that I was on the Oxrow?
• 1:11:52
  Yeah. The other thing I know this.
• 1:11:54
  This is me in. The weeds.
• 1:11:55
  Yeah, finding out if you're a formula office and then finding
• 1:11:58
  out like if you're you're going to know if you're a withdraw
• 1:12:00
  office, that's another weird, weird thing that you don't
• 1:12:04
  really think about. Like I, I know, like Josh's
• 1:12:08
  office is a withdrawal off. It's all or nothing, but Josh, I
• 1:12:12
  know always worked withdrawal offices.
• 1:12:15
  Yeah, well. Josh is I.
• 1:12:17
  He gets like some of his. Things he can.
• 1:12:19
  I think in the in my district, I think there is only one office
• 1:12:24
  that is not withdrawal. Yeah, the only thing that's
• 1:12:26
  brought to our cases. The only thing only male wise.
• 1:12:29
  That's brought to our. Cases is our AS what is yeah,
• 1:12:35
  the the carrier, the the yeah, the flat tubs.
• 1:12:39
  Yeah, those ones And then if we get a box.
• 1:12:42
  Holder in our newspapers, everything else we have to go
• 1:12:45
  retrieve our raw flats, our pre sorted bundle flats, our DPS hot
• 1:12:51
  case obviously. Same here, withdrawal is.
• 1:12:55
  The carrier's selection by vote of majority vote.
• 1:13:00
  It is not something that management can decide.
• 1:13:03
  Yeah, but that's a whole different topic.
• 1:13:05
  Like for. Yeah.
• 1:13:06
  Like for formula, management could make that decision, but
• 1:13:09
  they have to have done certain things before they made that
• 1:13:13
  decision if you're currently not a formula office.
• 1:13:17
  And management is talking about making you guys a formula office
• 1:13:22
  because they're lazy or they're just talking about it.
• 1:13:26
  Please contact your DRS 'cause then they can.
• 1:13:32
  That'll put them on the radar and they can check and see if
• 1:13:34
  they've done everything that they are supposed to do prior to
• 1:13:38
  implementing the formula. Yes.
• 1:13:40
  Yep, because there is a long checklist that.
• 1:13:42
  They have. To follow, yes, like, Oh yeah,
• 1:13:45
  prove it. Prove that.
• 1:13:46
  We need to go. Formula if regulars are working
• 1:13:50
  their relief. Days.
• 1:13:51
  That's a big that's one. Part of it.
• 1:13:52
  That's just one part. Yeah, I know.
• 1:13:55
  I know our. Postmaster doesn't want to
• 1:13:58
  become a formula office at the same time when you have one
• 1:14:02
  carrier who works every single one of their relief days
• 1:14:06
  because, well, it's APOV route and oh, they don't have APOV so
• 1:14:10
  they never get a sub. Yeah, yeah, it's gets spooky.
• 1:14:14
  So, but all right. Well, that's yeah, that's
• 1:14:17
  formula. Yeah, I think, I think we
• 1:14:20
  covered most of it. If we didn't tell us.
• 1:14:24
  And if I messed up, I I'm sorry. We're human.
• 1:14:28
  We're just carriers. Yeah.
• 1:14:31
  Yeah, read read article. What did I say?
• 1:14:33
  It was 9 dot. 2 dot C .5 of the contract that has that the
• 1:14:38
  formula calculation. And if you're an absolute weirdo
• 1:14:43
  like I am, one time I actually did manually calculate the
• 1:14:47
  formula not through a spreadsheet. 30.2 yes, 30 dot
• 1:14:53
  2.330 dot 2 is pretty much where it's that's about the about you
• 1:15:01
  getting the PTS because of and that and your entitlement to
• 1:15:06
  having a sub for every route. And I believe that's also where
• 1:15:10
  it has the 6th day talk throughout the five and two.
• 1:15:14
  The five and one is not an option is in there also.
• 1:15:17
  Yeah. For filling that vacancy, yes,
• 1:15:19
  yeah. So all right guys.
• 1:15:23
  That worked. That got us a little over an
• 1:15:25
  hour of formula talk in chatter and banter and all that good
• 1:15:29
  stuff. Yeah.
• 1:15:31
  So we are going to wind this one down.
• 1:15:33
  Unless, well, go. Ahead.
• 1:15:34
  Not quite. Oh, I was just going to say I
• 1:15:37
  just thought that. What day is it next Saturday we
• 1:15:41
  get a raise? I thought it was the 22nd, The
• 1:15:44
  15th. Oh, is that the 15th I?
• 1:15:46
  Thought it was. Well, yeah.
• 1:15:49
  OK. Pay period wise, yes, yeah,
• 1:15:51
  yeah. Start of the pay period, yeah,
• 1:15:53
  yeah. Yeah, yeah, that would be the
• 1:15:56
  general wage. Increase the contractual.
• 1:15:57
  One the 1.4% I get my step increase this pay period that
• 1:16:02
  we're currently in and then the general wage increase the
• 1:16:06
  following pay period and I I'm you know and and the.
• 1:16:11
  Thing is, is. If the 50 weeks for Table 2
• 1:16:16
  hadn't gone into effect at the beginning of the new guarantee
• 1:16:19
  year in October, I would have had both of them next week or on
• 1:16:23
  the next pay period. They should, yeah.
• 1:16:25
  So I I. Got paced out, I had. 11 check
• 1:16:28
  in between the September or the first when they added everybody
• 1:16:34
  else's previous ones in minus the obviously.
• 1:16:38
  So there was that pay period and then the cost of living
• 1:16:42
  adjustment in September that started.
• 1:16:46
  And so I had one pay period in between those two that I didn't
• 1:16:50
  see in a wage adjustment on. So which was the check I just we
• 1:16:55
  just got Friday. So.
• 1:16:57
  Yeah, I'm I'm getting one bet. Yeah, the RCA starting next
• 1:17:03
  Saturday. Will make $21.89 an hour and the
• 1:17:08
  ones that have worked, no RCA and Arcs will advance to Step 2
• 1:17:14
  after 156 weeks. They will make 2289 on Saturday.
• 1:17:19
  Those ones, Yep. So those are, but most of them
• 1:17:21
  2189. Yep, and I was still at. 19
• 1:17:26
  something when I went full. Time.
• 1:17:27
  Yeah, I was at 15. Yeah, I was.
• 1:17:30
  That's. About actually, I was.
• 1:17:31
  I got. I got hired.
• 1:17:32
  In when I when I. Initially got hired in or you
• 1:17:36
  know, was going through the hiring process, it was the 15
• 1:17:39
  something an hour and then once my effective hiring date was it
• 1:17:44
  had just jumped up to the 1637 I think it was, I don't know, that
• 1:17:48
  was 11 years ago going on. So, yeah, you know, but I, I'm
• 1:17:53
  happy that the, the Rcas with three years or more at least
• 1:17:57
  have that little step, even though it's just a dollar it,
• 1:18:01
  it, it's a step in the right direction because like I said, I
• 1:18:04
  remember being in RCA of 7-8 years training brand new Rcas
• 1:18:09
  and they couldn't believe I was making the same amount they
• 1:18:11
  were. Yeah.
• 1:18:12
  So I, I, you know, it, is it a small step?
• 1:18:17
  Yes, but it is a small step in the right direction.
• 1:18:20
  Yeah, a small step in the right direction of.
• 1:18:23
  For RCA mankind, yes. Yes.
• 1:18:30
  And we don't have anybody in your office anymore that falls.
• 1:18:33
  Under that, oh, we got, yeah, both of our one RCA is just
• 1:18:38
  coming up on one year, either this month or next month, I
• 1:18:42
  don't remember exactly when he got hired in.
• 1:18:44
  I know we didn't do his on the route training until after
• 1:18:48
  Christmas. He was running parcels for a bit
• 1:18:51
  and then the other one started. We'll have his urine in
• 1:18:53
  February. So we have one in the pipeline.
• 1:18:56
  That's all I know. I just, we just want to say a
• 1:18:59
  big thank you to all of our veterans out there.
• 1:19:03
  Josh with us here is also a veteran and you know, my son's a
• 1:19:09
  veteran, my boyfriend's a veteran, his brother's a
• 1:19:11
  veteran. You know, it's you guys put your
• 1:19:14
  life on the line. So basically all of us can do
• 1:19:17
  what we're doing at home with, with freedoms and we are
• 1:19:22
  definitely appreciate every single one of you.
• 1:19:25
  So thank you, Yep. And, and thank you for serving
• 1:19:29
  yes. Thank you, Josh for serving.
• 1:19:32
  Thank. You for serving, yeah.
• 1:19:34
  Thank you. Yeah.
• 1:19:36
  Thank you for taking me. Everybody have a safe.
• 1:19:38
  And happy Veteran's Day. So other than that guys, we will
• 1:19:42
  wind this down now unless Meow thinks of something else off the
• 1:19:45
  top of her head I know I'll think of.
• 1:19:47
  I know, right? She's been banned.
• 1:19:51
  For the rest of the episode. Yes, I'm done.
• 1:19:54
  I closed my. I closed out of the union.
• 1:19:56
  Website. So we're good.
• 1:19:58
  All right, All right. Yeah, I put my phone down too,
• 1:20:01
  so. Yeah.
• 1:20:02
  All right, Josh, your final thoughts for this evening.
• 1:20:07
  I know the weather's starting to change.
• 1:20:08
  So make sure you're dressing appropriately in layers.
• 1:20:14
  Be safe out there, don't get overwhelmed.
• 1:20:17
  If you do, take a step back, take a deep breath and step back
• 1:20:22
  in meow. Well, thank you guys.
• 1:20:25
  I'm glad that we got the I know the formula is kind of a
• 1:20:29
  intimidating thing. I hope I'm like don't hold me
• 1:20:33
  accountable if I said anything wrong, but no, it's all good.
• 1:20:36
  It's fine. Hopefully, yeah.
• 1:20:38
  If you have any questions on it, please contact your steward.
• 1:20:43
  Please make sure that you are taking care of yourself.
• 1:20:47
  I know that there is a lot going on.
• 1:20:51
  We're, we're right here at the beginning of, of peak season and
• 1:20:56
  with daylight savings and everything.
• 1:20:58
  If you are having any issues or if anybody in your family's
• 1:21:02
  having issues or if you just need to talk to somebody like
• 1:21:05
  outside of the post office or you know, just a, just a vent
• 1:21:11
  there is there is help for you and you could call EAP.
• 1:21:16
  The it's just, it's, it's its own private entity.
• 1:21:20
  It doesn't go through the Postal Service, but their phone number
• 1:21:22
  is 800 EAP for you or 800-327-4968.
• 1:21:30
  So please just know that there's people there for you.
• 1:21:35
  We care about you. I mean, that's why we're all on
• 1:21:37
  here sharing this information for you guys 'cause there's,
• 1:21:42
  there's countless documents and whole bunch of stuff that you
• 1:21:46
  could go on side quests like I do.
• 1:21:49
  But again, that phone number is 800-327-4968.
• 1:21:57
  You can even look up USPSEAP. They will help you and they will
• 1:22:01
  help you with counseling or anything that you need.
• 1:22:03
  So Kristen, EQ guys, yeah, definitely EAP is.
• 1:22:08
  Available thanks for bringing that up again Meow yes the
• 1:22:11
  weather it is a changing. I know it is up around here.
• 1:22:16
  We have had that credit S word off and on some areas a little
• 1:22:21
  bit north and more to the West of me have gotten really
• 1:22:24
  hammered. And so the guys, yeah,
• 1:22:27
  definitely stay safe because we know, especially those of us
• 1:22:30
  that do get snow, people tend to forget how to drive in it every
• 1:22:35
  year. So you got to be a little bit
• 1:22:38
  more alert, not necessarily you know yourself, especially when
• 1:22:44
  the road conditions change quickly, but bake and share.
• 1:22:48
  You're more alert with those that are whizzing past you down
• 1:22:51
  the down the road because you just never know when somebody's
• 1:22:55
  going to lose it. And that's the last thing you
• 1:22:56
  want to do is get involved in that.
• 1:22:58
  So stay vigilant guys out there and I'll start dressing more
• 1:23:02
  appropriately for the weather. Stay hydrated.
• 1:23:06
  Regardless of the time of year it is, hydration is important.
• 1:23:11
  And on that note guys, we will be back next week and we're
• 1:23:14
  going to go over Christmas overtime period and holidays and
• 1:23:20
  all that good stuff. So until next week y'all take
• 1:23:23
  care.