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Is Trump making a deal with the devil in Iran? · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:04
  Welcome to After Dark on the America Out Loud Talk Radio Network.
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  I am your host, Rob Harper.
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  And my co-host tonight is Heather Robinson, who by the way is uh with us from the former Golden Gate State.
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  I say former because the way it's looking now, it doesn't look so golden, but all the way from California.
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  Heather, how are you this Monday night?
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  I'm doing all right, Rob.
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  Thank you.
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  How are you?
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  Heather, I'm doing great.
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  Uh we got a lot to talk about.
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  And I want to talk about the No Kings rally that took place this weekend.
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  I also want to talk about what's happening with the excursion or the conflict with Iran, Israel and the US, and how so many people keep saying that.
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  You know, Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel, they're dragging Trump into this war.
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  And we're now seeing that it's it's more than not the Gulf states that are doing this, they're directing Trump or giving him suggestions as to what to do because from what I'm hearing right now, Saudi Arabia, they don't want Trump to stop their thing is take them out, keep going, eliminate the threat.
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  So we're gonna talk about that.
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  But before we start, I want you to give us a inside view as to what LA is looking like under Gavin Newsom, who we know is planning on running for the president of the United States.
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  So give it to us, Heather.
• 1:24
  How is California?
• 1:26
  Well, I've only been here for a few days, Rob, and uh mostly I've been around Venice Beach area, which to be fair is always a gritty area.
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  I think that I would compare it to the East Village in New York City, maybe, you know, into the part where you know edges into Alphabet City.
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  Um it's been somewhat gentrified, we know, but it always it's it's not really the um the Tony kind of part of New York.
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  Well, that's what Venice Beach is like.
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  It's known as uh, yeah, surfer beach, a muscle beach, a beach with a lot of kind of eccentrics, and and that's I guess part of its charm.
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  So I don't didn't expect everything to be pristine there, but it does seem that there are a lot of uh, you know, a lot of street people.
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  Um you see things aren't looking real spick and span to be sure.
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  I mean, the beach is still beautiful and the sunset was beautiful.
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  Um you know, I can't say that it was like I observed anything horrible.
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  Um but I you know, again, I wasn't making a study of it.
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  I was just there with friends for a couple nights.
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  And um one thing I I did observe that's different, uh different than New York is that there are self-driving cars on the street.
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  Um a couple times they stopped, and fortunately they stopped, you know, promptly when my friend and I were walking her dogs across the street.
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  Uh, I also saw robots.
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  I I saw one robot delivering food.
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  Uh and it was kind of interesting.
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  It was um like an unmanned uh contraption on wheels with um it said something like uh yeah, just food delivery or something like that, and I guess the food was inside, and when you walk toward it, it stops.
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  It makes stops like it's programmed to stop if anything's in its way, but it's just riding around on wheels, I guess maybe you know, instead of DoorDash instead of a person driving.
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  So I don't see those things in New York.
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  Um I guess they're kind of being field tested here in LA, and I I don't really have a strong opinion about it.
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  It's just something I observed.
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  So I mean, I guess you could say it's taking jobs away from somebody, presumably, which isn't great, but uh then again, um, you know, I guess it's someone's business, somebody's got a business building these things and and running them, and uh, you know, I guess the Angelinos are uh the the sort of guinea pigs for it.
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  So how did you find the self-driving cars?
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  Well you've heard so much about them.
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  I didn't ride in one.
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  We I just saw a couple of them as we were crossing the street.
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  And my friend pointed out, look, that's I forget what it was called, Waymo or something.
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  That's a Waymo.
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  And I said, What's that?
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  And she said, look, it'll it'll stop for us.
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  And of course, you know, it did as we cross the street.
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  It's it seemed very stop sensitive.
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  Like, you know, it seems like it stopped very, you know, uh very uh completely when we got near it.
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  And I guess it's just that's something that would have to be top top part of the program for those cars.
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  You know, I obviously they don't want accidents and it it worked as it was supposed to in the brief few seconds I had interaction with it, same with the little robot that was delivering food.
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  So it was interesting.
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  Well, who's left in California, considering a lot of the wealthy folks are heading toward Florida and Texas because of the tax hikes.
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  Can you blame them?
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  Well, no, but the funny thing is uh I was staying with some friends who are wealthy folks, and they were kind enough to host me, and they had a big party, not in my honor, but they were just having this party.
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  And so um they are an interesting couple.
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  They're um New Yorkers who now have a place in LA, and they are very liberal, very you know, left in their politics, as you can guess.
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  And I think they just I from my standpoint, I would say they're in denial or oblivious to some of the downside of the policies that are being uh promulgated in these places, but there are still wealthy liberals, you know, they're my friends, so I don't want to sound uh disrespectful, but you know, I they're champagne liberals, I guess you would say.
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  That's who's left, you know, in terms of wealthy people.
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  Right.
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  And then Venice Beach, the muscle beach.
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  Uh you said you were able to go by there.
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  Did you see folks working out?
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  I saw surfers and you know, some built people when I was there.
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  Um, you know, it's Monday night.
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  I was there uh over the weekend and in the evenings, so we went, you know, around sunset to walk the dogs on the beach.
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  My friend's a red-haired person.
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  She doesn't like to be out in the sun during the day.
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  So uh it was uh yeah, you know, you saw some some of the beautiful people.
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  There are a lot of white teeth in California and cat bodies, like ever.
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  Yeah, and and yeah, there were quite a few.
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  The homeless people, I this isn't a political point, it's just an observation.
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  Though those who I saw, the street people seemed a little more mellow than the ones in New York.
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  But I'm sure there are exceptions, but they were sort of like, you know, reading poetry and doing magic and speaking in new agey terms and that kind of thing.
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  They seemed a little more like, you know, probably the you know, I'll tell you there's a lot of weed.
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  There's a lot of weed of the city.
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  There is New York, but it's a little different, I think, because in New York you smell it a lot.
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  You see a lot of kids with it.
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  Here you see more adults going into the stores.
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  Um there was a store that we went into, actually.
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  Um, because it's legal here, and I, you know, I was curious.
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  Uh, I'm not a big fan myself.
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  Uh I tried a part of a gummy and I didn't like it.
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  Um, but it's it's you know, the stores are much more they're bigger and they're more uh I would say a little like it there are, I guess, weed places in New York City, but I don't find them to be as quite out there in the open somehow, like even though it's legal now, they still seem a little maybe the zoning, maybe the laws are different in New York, maybe they can't have them near schools.
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  I'm just guessing, but like here they look like bigger stores right alongside the clothing store or whatever.
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  It's like this, I forget the name of the place we went to, uh, but they have you know, all kinds of not just the cigarettes, but the you know, lots of gummies and different, you know, chocolate bars and things with weed in them.
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  So that's a you know, I'd say a bigger part of the culture here, probably even than in New York.
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  Right.
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  Right, you do smell that everywhere in New York, and this is a smell that I detest.
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  But like you said, it's legal and people are able to do it.
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  Now, when you were there, did you see any of the were there any no king protests taking place?
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  Well, we avoided them.
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  We heard that they were happening, but my friend was shopping for their party.
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  So we took her electric car and went to the farmers market and to Whole Foods.
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  This was a very liberal weekend for me, Rob.
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  I was really in in enemy territory.
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  I I know not enemies, but you know, we're all Americans, but I say that facetiously, but I was definitely a little starved for my ideological compatriots.
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  So there was no discussion about no pol political discussions.
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  I you know, I've had discussions with these particular friends before, and the discussion devolves pretty quickly into shouting not on my part.
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  I mean, I you know how it is, Robert.
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  Our listeners know we tend to be the more um the conservatives.
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  I mean, I
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  I'm saying I'm sure there are exceptions, and then we got a few temperamental hotheads on our side, maybe, but I don't think that's most of us.
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  I think most conservatives are law and order people, very um polite people, uh tend to have a pretty good reign on our emotions.
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  It's not usually I who raises my voice first, certainly not first, and you know, uh, I try not to at all.
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  But my one friend who is uh, you know, a very generous and sweet person and has a lot of great qualities.
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  She just does not do well making space for other views.
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  She's very, very knee-jerk liberal.
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  And so I don't really, I try to just gloss over the subject with her, you know, now, Rob, even though you know I'm it's a big part of my life.
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  Um, it's a part that I can't share with these particular friends.
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  Although the man of the couple did, you know, they're Jewish like me, and they he brought up that he's upset about the election of Mandami in New York.
• 11:02
  He's originally from London, this friend of mine, and he was talking about how for him in England, he always felt anti-Semitism growing up.
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  He was raised religious and he wore the Keepa, and he never felt he said, you know, he never really felt a love of country in England because he didn't he felt like because he was Jewish, he was treated differently in many ways.
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  But he does love America.
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  He became a citizen, and I remember him telling me, I mean, of the two friends, he's they're both liberal, but he's a little less extreme than my female friend.
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  And he's also in business, so I think he's uh more pragmatic in some ways.
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  But I remember him saying to me that he loves America, that he's glad he became a citizen and you know, he built his business here.
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  He's very successful.
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  But he was saying that now that for him, New York was always a safe place.
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  He always felt safe, and now he feels like it's becoming more like Europe in terms of the anti-Semitism with this Muslim mayor who, not because he's a Muslim, but because he has tolerance for these radicals around him, including his own wife, and you know, he may be a radical himself, and he has tolerance for things like globalize the intifada, which Jews you know, view as a direct call for violence against us wherever we are in the world.
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  Um, this is something that the mayor of New York City could not bring himself to disavow.
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  And so my friend was talking about how he's like, you know, I'm coming over to your side on this one.
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  I just I'm really upset, you know, and I said it is upsetting.
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  So that was the only politics we we talked, yeah.
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  Right, maybe he'll make a complete come over.
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  Uh, but just going back to he's talk about uh Europe.
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  I mean, I think that especially the UK, Great Britain, they've just like I was reading somewhere that 36% of Europeans or of UK are white, because you have so many illegals that have migrated there, and they're just they're almost like the dominant force.
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  And you look here in America everywhere you turn, and we've talked about this with Simon Ding, that it seems that and we this is not to say that we're uh, you know, xenophobic or anything like that, but I I've often wondered why would a culture, a group of people who don't share our culture want to come here as opposed to the other Arab countries that are just as wealthy as America.
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  Why would you want to come here and set up shop?
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  But that's not what we're gonna talk about tonight.
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  I want to go back to the no kings here in New York City.
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  They did have rallies here.
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  I did not see any.
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  I did not that I was looking for it, but I did find it interesting that this whole concept of no kings, and you have all these people that support it.
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  And it's like, well, where did you get the king?
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  Who who are you saying is a king?
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  You even had folks in Great Britain uh staging their own no kings rally.
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  It's like, but you guys do have a king.
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  You do realize it's funny, and my friend, by the way, he said something about that.
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  He said, you know, it's no kings.
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  I mean, of course, that doesn't apply to the British monarchy.
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  He was kind of just kidding around.
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  I I you know, I don't know if he was exactly supporting the rally, but he was just joking around because he loves the queen like a lot of, you know, he loves the royal family and all that.
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  It is a contradiction that they say no kings, and you think back during COVID and dictatorship and how we were forced to many people were forced to take the vaccine, or else you lose your livelihood, you lose your job.
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  They wanted to force people who were in the police force, they want to force people in the military if you don't take the vaccine.
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  Right.
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  They want the king there.
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  They want the king when the king's gonna enforce what they believe.
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  Well, that's the hypocrisy of people.
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  Complete hypocrisy.
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  People don't see themselves.
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  Don't you guys realize what you're saying here?
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  You're saying it's a group of little tyrants screaming no kings.
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  And they're all out there in full regalia, no kings, and we don't want this.
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  It's like, wait a minute, time out, time out.
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  Who was forcing you to take a vaccine?
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  Who was saying that they're gonna take away your livelihood?
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  Who was saying that they want children to be able to have sex changes?
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  Who was forcing it?
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  And telling Paris, if you don't do it, we're gonna remove the child from your care.
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  I mean, and this kept going on and on and on.
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  And you can't go to church, you can't go to your place of worship, but you can go to strip joints and you can go buy alcohol, but you can't go to your place of worship.
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  You can't go see mom and dad who are sick at the hospital.
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  You can make just all these you can't, you can't, and now they want to say no kings.
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  Like, who is a king?
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  Joe Biden is gone.
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  He would have he would have been a king.
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  Or Camilla would have been the queen.
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  It's like time out.
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  You guys I'm serious.
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  Do they not see hypocrisy?
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  No, that's and to me, that's the that's the danger because we don't have anyone.
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  And the media save ourselves for Sans, you know, America outlaw, because I've been talking about this for quite some time.
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  But you know, oftentimes I'm even critical of many of our uh uh colleagues on the right who don't just come out and explain a lot of this stuff to their viewers.
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  They'll they'll mention it.
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  But there's always with the question mark as opposed to saying you do you realize what you're being told by the left is wrong, and this is a reason why.
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  To go into those details like we do here.
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  I mean, and I'm completely disappointed.
• 16:43
  You know, when Trump says the media is a threat to democracy, they're the enemy of the people for our side not to come out and say this is why he's saying this.
• 16:52
  Well, you have their side, they're saying, oh no, he's lying, and he did this.
• 16:56
  I mean, they go through all these details, like a litany of things.
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  We don't do a good job.
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  No, not us on After Dark, but the others don't do a good job at pushing back and calling them out.
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  And I often wonder is it because they say, well, they're our colleagues, and we don't want to disparage them, but they would disparage you every chance they get.
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  And you would think that they would have been out like 24-7 saying, what do you mean by no kings?
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  You guys were your side were the ones who were doing XYZ constantly talk about it, constantly mention it.
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  But they don't.
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  It's our voices.
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  Hopefully, our voices are being heard.
• 17:35
  We're talking about it the same way our voices were explaining what's happening with Iran, and trying to get people to understand people say, Oh, well, this is not America first, but you won't have an America first.
• 17:48
  If China were to go in and dominate all the oil, they would getting or from Venezuela, and then or from Iran.
• 17:56
  It's like, people, don't you understand what Trump is doing here?
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  Not to mention how many Americans have these people killed.
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  I mean, this regime, the geopolitics of insenses me when people say, you know, have a hold of that thought.
• 18:13
  We've got to go to commercial break.
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  Hold that thought, because I want to talk about the geopolitics of this.
• 18:17
  Then I also want to talk about your article, which will be pretty much what we're going to talk about tonight, which is don't make a deal with the devil.
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  We're talking about our side not being as pronounced as he should, in my opinion, and explaining things to viewers, especially this whole thing with the No Kings rally, getting them to understand that we don't have a king.
• 21:02
  It's the left who under Biden were setting themselves up at as a king and dictatorship and telling us what we can and can't do, taking away free speech, telling us you can't go to church, you got to stay inside, you can't visit anyone, and you better take this vaccine and we're going to take your livelihood.
• 21:19
  Similarly, the war with the conflict with Iran and the left continuously saying that Israel, they're dragging us into this war.
• 21:31
  They're dragging us when to me, it is so obvious that Saudi Arabia and the other Gov states are saying don't stop until you're taking out this bad regime.
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  Why is it so difficult?
• 21:48
  Well, I think people want to blame Israel for a lot, Rob.
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  And it's it's an old nasty instinct.
• 21:55
  It really is.
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  And again, how that goes to them, not the media not explaining to the viewers what's at play here, going back to World War II, because we know that it's not being taught in our schools.
• 22:08
  The Holocaust is not being taught in our schools.
• 22:10
  Well, I don't know, Rob.
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  I mean, I think there is some Holocaust education.
• 22:13
  And I, you know, I actually think the Holocaust is in many ways, this is sounds like a deeply cynical comment, and I I hesitate to say this, but I think that there's actually quite a bit, and I think when it's not taught properly, um, sometimes the Holocaust education can be twisted into something that's negative.
• 22:34
  Uh let me explain what I mean by that.
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  Um, I think there's been so much um teaching of it a certain way that the Nazis were, of course, they were evil.
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  They happen to be um, I guess they're presented as the right wing, even though really they're there they don't have bear no resemblance to American conservatives or anything.
• 22:59
  But I think that all militarism, all nationalism in the minds of some people has been tainted because of the Nazis.
• 23:08
  And a lot of times I I feel like people make comparisons to the Holocaust, people who have a little bit of education, but don't really understand how unique and truly uh horrible an event it was, um, don't really grasp the enormity and the systematic nature and the you know gravity of it.
• 23:32
  Um they just think of it as oh, you know, and um and a you know, a case of abuse of excess of singling people out, and then they they misapply the paradigm they're told never again, which is um it would be a good thing, and it is a good thing to say, you know, except that when you're over-applying um historical comparisons when suddenly everything is Nazism, including say um efforts to identify and deport people who are here illegally who are engaged in criminal activity, you know, if people aren't particularly smart, or they're they have an axe to grind against Trump or whatever, they can you know try to make these Holocaust comparisons, you know, as if to say, I mean, there's many differences, of course, for one thing, that the Jews of Europe and the others who were persecuted were perfectly innocent civilian populations of people who were persecuted for absolutely no reason.
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  They were not criminals in general, were not quite to the contrary.
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  These were tended to be a very productive law-abiding segment of society who were citizens of the nations in which they were rounded up and systematically brutalized and murdered.
• 24:57
  You know, you're you're comparing that to people who in this case, for instance, in America now, you have ICE, which is not going after people to put them in death camps or in any camp, but is trying to deport people and they're focused on people who came here illegally who are not citizens who have criminal rap sheets.
• 25:20
  I mean, and so I mean, that's my understanding anyway.
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  Um, but but so my point is I think some people have been so um inculcated with Holocaust, a certain kind of, you know, maybe it's a shallow kind of Holocaust education.
• 25:39
  They're not grasping, you know, um that there's a difference between real bigotry and law enforcement.
• 25:48
  I mean, and they're over applying, you know, this idea that any kind of militarism or um arresting of people is somehow akin to Nazism.
• 25:59
  So I, you know, in a way, I kind of think I hate to say it, and I I mean I think most Americans are smarter than this, and they know um that you know, this is not the same thing as Nazism, but I mean I think some of the Holocaust education efforts are almost in a way kind of backfiring with certain people with I it's not that I think they really believe that this is a Holocaust.
• 26:25
  I don't think anybody could really believe that, but I think that they're using it and you know, using Nazi comparisons inappropriately as a way to you know whip people up.
• 26:37
  You know, we've seen this with politicians and um, you know, the whole business of of uh just just the illegals are being all rounded up and they're being you know brutalized and ICE is like the Nazis and you know, all these, you know, untruths and exaggerations.
• 26:55
  Um, I just I I don't know that I mean, I I guess if you know Holocaust education is taught in a way that's very serious, and it really actually does get into what was historically unique about that you know, and but but I mean, I you know, sometimes I feel like, yeah, forgive me for saying this, Rob.
• 27:17
  It sounds cynical, but I sometimes feel like a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
• 27:22
  Like, like it's better to be a kid on the beach who cares only about getting a tan and getting laid and having your hair look nice than to think you are informed when you're actually only half informed and you're being whipped up and manipulated by a propaganda machine.
• 27:42
  You know, these kids, not just because, you know, I don't agree with the the worldview.
• 27:46
  I, you know, I know some people are more liberal, and I, you know, I do understand and respect where they were coming from, especially the liberals of the past.
• 27:55
  They have a lot of points that needed to be made.
• 27:58
  I'm not trying to disparage a whole way of thinking, but I do think this modern leftism, as you know, is very reductionist.
• 28:06
  It's not um, you know, it's kind of like makes a mockery of true education.
• 28:12
  And I, you know, it's like it's an indoctrination.
• 28:15
  And I, and I almost feel like kids would be better off just being bobbleheads because uh, you know, it's like at least then they're having fun and they're being kids and they're not obstructing traffic or uh ripping down pictures of missing children or defending criminals, you know, they're not doing stupid things, you know, because they're misguided by a pseudo education.
• 28:46
  Which is a false education, and as I mentioned, you have somebody these just looking at what's happening here, the lack of knowledge, understanding what's happening with Iran, and for them to blame the Jews when, as I mentioned clearly, it's the the Arab countries that want the Iran regime removed.
• 29:10
  And at the end of the day, you know, so at this point, I'm thinking, and it's only been a month, if that.
• 29:17
  But I think the way the media keeps talking about it and making it seem as if though, oh, well, you know, we're losing, this is not happening.
• 29:24
  And for them to say, oh, well, you know, Trump says he's negotiating with this person, but Iran said he's not.
• 29:30
  It's like so they're putting more weight on what Iran is saying as opposed to Trump when we see that they've gone in and decimated the military.
• 29:39
  But yet, and still the media on the left insist on saying, oh, Trump, he's running scared and he doesn't know what to do.
• 29:47
  He doesn't know how to get out of this.
• 29:48
  They said that at the beginning of the year saying that Trump was chicken Trump, taco chicken, and that he wasn't gonna do anything to Iran.
• 29:56
  You had Chuck Schumacher coming out saying, oh, well, he needs to get rid of this regime.
• 30:00
  You've had so many on the left acknowledging the problem that we have with this regime.
• 30:08
  But they're great.
• 30:10
  They refuse like to just say, wait a minute.
• 30:15
  We even acknowledge this, that there is a problem.
• 30:18
  Why is it now that they're saying something completely different?
• 30:23
  And that's the reason why I love the late Tim Russert, because he would come out and run the tape.
• 30:28
  He would show the tape over and over again when they would say one thing, he would come out and say, Oh no, but remember, you said this earlier on.
• 30:36
  So I want to play a quick clip of the left, starting with Tony Blinken, acknowledging that there's a problem with Iran.
• 30:45
  You have senators that are acknowledging the problem.
• 30:48
  Uh and you even Lord Austin talking about it.
• 30:51
  And then I want to delve into what Trump is saying now with negotiations with Iran, and they're saying they're going to do this and do that, and talk about your article because, in my humble opinion, excuse me, but screw them.
• 31:06
  Get rid of it, end it, blow them all up to smither rings, and then say, We're done.
• 31:11
  Wherever they're hot in those drones, get rid of the drones.
• 31:15
  I'm sick and tired of the drone attacks.
• 31:17
  Get rid of all the drones, blow up all the mountains, blow them all up, and then say we're done, and then come home.
• 31:23
  I don't want our men and women on the ground, blow it up and come home.
• 31:27
  So here is a tape, as I mentioned of Tony Blinken, and so many others on the left, acknowledging what we've been saying for quite some time.
• 31:37
  Run the tape.
• 31:38
  It is riching uh at uh higher levels, uh 20%, even 60%.
• 31:44
  Uh in small cases, it's using more advanced entities.
• 31:46
  We're now down published reports to a few months.
• 31:50
  They continue to enrich at the uh levels and the ways they're doing, it will get down eventually to uh a few weeks.
• 31:57
  So that is a topic problem.
• 31:58
  We have an interest in putting that nuclear problem back in the box because Iran with a nuclear problem or with the ability to produce this on material in very short notice to get one because Iran is going to be an even worse actor.
• 32:09
  Iran has rapidly accelerated its nuclear program and reduced cooperation international inspectors.
• 32:15
  Their breakout period is down from about a year, which is what we knew it was during the deal, to just a few weeks or less.
• 32:22
  As the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism, the Iranians, for instance, have directly, or by hiring criminals mounted assassination attempts against dissidents and high ranking current and former U.S.
• 32:36
  government officials, including right here on American soil.
• 32:41
  The president will not tolerate attacks on American troops.
• 32:46
  And neither will I.
• 32:57
  Yes, it is true.
• 32:58
  Iran is closer to your nuclear weapon than ever before.
• 33:01
  Iran, if it chose to get a nuclear weapon, could probably get one before.
• 33:05
  There you have it.
• 33:06
  These are all Democrats acknowledging what Trump has been saying.
• 33:11
  And you have these because Trump is actually doing something about it.
• 33:17
  They don't like it.
• 33:20
  And I always say, people say, Well, it wasn't an imminent threat.
• 33:23
  We had Joe Kent, who's been on our show.
• 33:25
  We always refer to him as a friend of the show who came on.
• 33:28
  He really didn't.
• 33:29
  He's been on a show on uh I think probably like three or four times.
• 33:33
  Uh-huh.
• 33:34
  And he even said during the Trump when he was before he resigned that Iran was a threat, and he posted on Twitter that Trump needs to act now.
• 33:44
  Now all at once, everyone wants to blame Israel.
• 33:47
  Oh, Israel, they dragged us into the world.
• 33:48
  What happened to him, Rob?
• 33:50
  What happened to you?
• 33:50
  What happened to what happened to all of them?
• 33:52
  That's my question.
• 33:53
  What happened to all of them?
• 33:55
  I don't know.
• 33:56
  You know, this reminds me of something that I wanted to share with our listeners.
• 34:00
  It's a very big disappointment to me to hear this is anti-Semitism.
• 34:06
  And it is anti-Semitism because there's no evidence that Israel dragged Donald Trump into anything.
• 34:14
  America and Israel are strong allies.
• 34:16
  Everybody knows that we're united and we have a similar um problem.
• 34:22
  We we're 100% aligned when it comes to combating radical Islam.
• 34:27
  That's a natural alliance.
• 34:29
  That's something that exists.
• 34:31
  It's not the fact that we have a common enemy isn't something that anybody dragged anybody.
• 34:38
  I mean, other than the fact that Iran makes school children stand there every morning and scream, death to America, death to Israel, death to America first, by the way, because America's the big Satan.
• 34:50
  Israel's the little Satan.
• 34:52
  And I this is straight from the mouths of my friends who grew up in Iran.
• 34:57
  Um their whole culture, the regime is is built around indoctrinating people to hate first America.
• 35:04
  And remember, when they grabbed our hostages from the embassy, and that had nothing to do with Israel.
• 35:12
  I mean, they I don't know if it had nothing to do, but I mean, they know that we're allies with it, but I mean they didn't grab Israelis that day, they grabbed Americans.
• 35:20
  They didn't uh bomb 241 Israeli soldiers in 1983 via Hezbollah.
• 35:26
  They they bombed American soldiers and killed them in their sleep, the way these cowards fight, you know, that's how they do it.
• 35:33
  They terrorize, and that's why, by the way, our president and our troops job is so hard now.
• 35:40
  If they were to go in, um, these are people, this is an enemy, and and Israel and Israelis understand this, and uh does those people who follow closely understand that what this enemy does is it it provokes fights, it does not invest in any protection for the children of this of their country.
• 36:03
  They're willing to sacrifice their children.
• 36:06
  In fact, I'm talking about the regime, I'm not saying everybody there.
• 36:10
  Um, this is part of the tragedy of um the way the these Islamist fanatics fight.
• 36:17
  Israel and Israelis have had to deal with this for 80 years now.
• 36:22
  And sadly, uh, you know, when these these people they provoke the fight, you know, then when Israelis are forced to to defend themselves and defend their borders, sometimes the the civilians get it really bad, and that's by design.
• 36:40
  That is part of the way the enemy fights and to these people who see it from the outside and just want to vilify Israel.
• 36:48
  Well, they're not the ones whose security is going to be ruined, whose lives are going to be ruined, whose children are going to be killed if they don't fight back.
• 37:00
  I mean, that's it's easy for people far away to judge, but you know, now America is in this situation, and I you know, I hear you, Rob, about not wanting to put boots on the ground.
• 37:10
  I don't either, but I will say one of the reasons Israel sometimes puts boots on the ground is in order to spare civilian lives on the other side.
• 37:21
  You know, Israel does this sometimes they send the IDF soldiers, young men and women, they send them in because the way the Palestinian so-called leadership fights, it weaves its so-called fighters, it's terrorists in among civilian homes, it puts weapons and ordinance in uh hospitals, under schools, under churches.
• 37:44
  This is why, by the way, some churches have been damaged.
• 37:47
  It's because this is guerrilla warfare, and these bastards, excuse my language, that's how they fight.
• 37:55
  They have no honor, not the way we think of honor.
• 37:59
  I mean, their honor is about dying for Allah and taking as many martyrs with them as they can, and whoever's pulling the strings, I I don't think it's usually their kids on the front lines, but I mean it's this philosophy of you know, so if the children die, they're martyrs.
• 38:17
  I mean, you can hear uh Yasser Arafat talking about this on tape.
• 38:21
  He said the child who is facing the tank with Iraq with, you know, is he not the best symbol to the world of Palestine, something like that.
• 38:31
  You know, in other words, they're sending their children out to you know throw rocks at armed soldiers.
• 38:38
  That's how they fight.
• 38:40
  That's a perfect metaphor.
• 38:42
  They fight dirty, they fight dirty very dirty, very dirty.
• 38:46
  We're up another commercial break, but when we come back, I want to delve into your uh your article, which is uh really our topic tonight, don't make a deal with the devil.
• 38:54
  Mainly, you know, Trump don't believe anything that the Iranians are saying.
• 38:57
  They keep saying, Well, we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that, and we know that it's not true.
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• 40:15
  And I want to delve into our topic tonight.
• 40:17
  Heather had uh seated up for us.
• 40:20
  What's going on with Iran?
• 40:22
  And it pretty much centers on an article that she recently wrote.
• 40:26
  Don't make a deal with the devil.
• 40:28
  And I'm hearing Trump saying that he's negotiating with Iran.
• 40:31
  The Iranians are saying that they're not.
• 40:33
  I do believe that he is talking to someone in Iran.
• 40:36
  I think that they're afraid to show their faces or even say their names out of fear that Israel might come in and take them out.
• 40:42
  And if they do, so be it.
• 40:44
  But I do believe that negotiations are going on.
• 40:48
  I would like for the people of Iran to start standing up, put some skin in the game.
• 40:54
  I I know that there's a concern that they might lose their lives.
• 40:58
  But we've opened up a window for them to come out.
• 41:03
  And say we're going to take our control of our government.
• 41:07
  I don't know if I have any confidence in the Shah of Iran who's here.
• 41:11
  He wanted Trump to go in and attack Trump has done it.
• 41:14
  I don't see any efforts he has made to put together a coalition to help him come back into power.
• 41:21
  So to me, he's out.
• 41:23
  We need someone to stand up and say, we're going to do this.
• 41:29
  Can't be afraid.
• 41:30
  And if it means that your life is on the line, so be it.
• 41:32
  Look at what we're doing.
• 41:34
  I mean, we have opened the door for you to walk through.
• 41:39
  It's now time for them to stand up and do it.
• 41:43
  Seize the moment.
• 41:45
  But until such time, all of this backwards and forward.
• 41:50
  I don't feel comfortable with.
• 41:52
  And as your article mentioned, Heather, don't make a deal with the devil.
• 41:57
  These Iranians have been promising and promising, but we're not going to do this, and we're not going to do that.
• 42:01
  Yet and still they keep doing it.
• 42:03
  Blow the mountains away to smither rings, reshape the geographical uh setup there, and be done with it.
• 42:10
  And then let's go home and let them figure it out.
• 42:14
  What are your thoughts on Heather?
• 42:15
  Well, I can I'm going to cite Mithal Al-Alusi, who is my source on this in this article.
• 42:21
  He's a an former parliamentarian, an Iraqi uh great man.
• 42:27
  He uh was elected to the Iraqi parliament twice, and he came out in favor of normalizing relations between the Arab world, specifically Iraq and Israel.
• 42:39
  He's a real progressive.
• 42:40
  He went to Israel in 2005, I believe, to attend a counter-terrorism conference.
• 42:46
  And while he was there, he started receiving death threats.
• 42:49
  And shortly afterward, terrorists murdered his two sons.
• 42:53
  They were young men who had come with him to help rebuild Iraq.
• 42:58
  Um their father, he had been, he grew up in Iraq, he was a dissident during Saddam Hussein's time.
• 43:05
  Uh, he went to study um in Egypt and and then built a business in Germany, but he returned um with them because they had high hopes for for democracy in Iraq, that his kids were murdered, he was very brave, he he refused to be intimidated, stayed in Iraq, got on the ballot, and continued to speak his truth, which was that this kind of hatred of Israel, refusal to work together in business in counterterrorism was a backward way of thinking.
• 43:36
  Um, and he had a constituency, albeit a small one, but he there were people there in Iraq who supported him, brave people, they voted for him more than once.
• 43:46
  He served in parliament, and so I met him when he came to America years ago, he received an award from the American Jewish Committee called the uh Moral Courage Award, is when I had the honor of meeting him.
• 43:57
  This was back in 2005, and I started interviewing him.
• 44:01
  I've covered him and his career for many years, and he uh I just think is a great source about the region because he's had his um antennas up about Iran all along, of the many years I've known him.
• 44:17
  He felt that the terrorists who murdered his sons had some connection to Iran.
• 44:21
  He has told me many things about how Tehran, how the regime has undermined Iraq, the national nascent state of Iraq that our service members lost limbs and lives and to help build, you know, sadly, according to Mithal, this man Mithal Al-Alusi, sadly, it's been corrupted uh because many of the Islamists in parliament in Iraq are bribed according to Al-Alusi by Iran.
• 44:50
  Um militias, you remember the Iraqi insurgency, which kept going on for decades, and you know, all those roadside bombs that tore the limbs off of our service members.
• 45:02
  We now know that they were many of them made in Iran, that they were Qasim Suleimani who Trump assassinated.
• 45:11
  Um he was the father of the roadside bomb, he came up with the idea.
• 45:15
  Sure enough, Mithal Al-Alusi was telling me as early as uh 2006.
• 45:20
  He was telling me that Iran was um playing both sides of the so-called Iraqi insurgency, that even though the Iranians are Shia, and you know, some people think say, oh, well, the Sishia and the Sunni are fighting, and that's true.
• 45:35
  But you know, what what Al-Alusi told me was that when it comes to fomenting chaos and being anti-American, many of these people are very connected.
• 45:46
  Uh, Tehran is financing both sides, and that wound up bear, you know, being born out.
• 45:52
  What he told me um, you know, within a few years was uh common knowledge.
• 45:56
  He also told me about the bribing of Iraqi politicians, that the that Iran tried to bribe him to be anti-American and anti-Israel, he wouldn't have it.
• 46:06
  You know, he's told me many, many things that have um that would shock you, but the main thing he had to say now, and this is in my article, which was published uh last week in National Review, uh, is that he believes the big useful tool is for for winning this war is to stop the money flowing through Iraq to Iran.
• 46:29
  He says that because the Iraqi government is largely corrupt, and because the these Iraqi militias, they're like um kind of like ISIS.
• 46:39
  They do what they want, they've taken over in Iraq, they're funded by Iran, and according to Al-Alusi, they literally they transport money from Iran, from Iraq, excuse me, into Iran.
• 46:52
  We're talking about billions of dollars, massive, massive money from so from oil sales, including soy sales to America.
• 47:00
  So that means that indirectly American money is has been funding the regime of Iran.
• 47:07
  Uh that they they circumvent sanctions, they find ways to just get around the sanctions against Iran.
• 47:14
  Basically, they're just I I don't know all the details of the banking and how it works and whether it's physically carrying piles of cash or it's using the banking system, but he says that Iranian Iraq Iranians are the Iraqis are the handmaidens of the Iranians now.
• 47:31
  And I know that's a very upsetting thing to to be told after all the blood and treasure that was sacrificed to build a democratic Iraq.
• 47:40
  But according to him, and he's a person who's proven his character through many years of standing strong by Israel, standing strong for human rights, for women's rights.
• 47:52
  Uh he's escaped, you know, he's managed to survive numerous assassination attempts.
• 47:57
  So this guy is like the Victor Laszlo of Iraq.
• 48:01
  For those of you who liked Casablanca, you know, he's a true person of character.
• 48:06
  And he, you know, I think his his views are very worth considering because of that.
• 48:12
  And so this is his positioning.
• 48:13
  He thinks that President Trump, he what he said to me is making a deal with the regime would be like making a deal with Hitler in the last few days of his life.
• 48:25
  It's absurd.
• 48:26
  I mean, the regime is on its way out.
• 48:29
  You know, don't start making concessions now.
• 48:32
  You know, he has some ideas, some creative ideas, in addition to the you know, physical use of war, you know, ordinance, and you know, he thinks that the financial system can be a big tool to just starve the Iranian government out.
• 48:47
  He believes that the key is the army.
• 48:50
  Um, Rob, you know, I hear what you're saying about the Iranian people.
• 48:54
  We saw some of them have been heroic these past couple years, including young people massacred by the thousands.
• 49:01
  But I think, and and I think Elusi believes from what he told me, they're an unarmed civilian population.
• 49:08
  And for them to take over the government, I mean, there are such things, I guess.
• 49:14
  I don't know if there's anything like that in history.
• 49:16
  I mean, revolutions require arms.
• 49:19
  I mean, whether it's the American revolution, the French Revolution, the Russian revolution.
• 49:23
  I mean, yes, there were students and who were the ideological leaders of those revolutions, but they were working with groups of people who had organized who were armed.
• 49:35
  Now, this is why we have a second amendment.
• 49:37
  One of the reasons here in this country is as a hedge against tyranny.
• 49:41
  There is no such thing in Iran.
• 49:43
  These people, they're at the mercy of this regime because they don't have weapons.
• 49:48
  So his point is, you know, a certain number of people are going to be heroes, but the masses of people aren't going to do that.
• 49:54
  The best hope is to get the army to turn.
• 49:57
  And he thinks that can happen.
• 49:59
  He thinks that one.
• 50:00
  What he said is that the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, the IRGC, they're kind of like, you know, again, if I may use a Nazi comparison, you know, I I know I said I'm against Nazi comparisons, but I think in this case, it's it's okay because we're talking about a true fanatic brutal regime.
• 50:20
  Like it's not an exaggeration to say there's some similarities.
• 50:24
  He's saying that the IRGC is kind of like the SS.
• 50:30
  And the army is kind of like the German army was.
• 50:33
  It's most it's conscripts mostly.
• 50:35
  It's people who are in the army because they want a salary to feed their families.
• 50:41
  And most of them, according to Elusi, are not necessarily the true believers.
• 50:46
  They're not fanatics necessarily.
• 50:48
  The army is mostly regular guys.
• 50:51
  And so his point is they have weapons, they have training.
• 50:55
  If the government of Iran runs out of money to pay them, you know, you might just get them mad enough to take on the SS people, the uh, you know, Islamic the IRGC.
• 51:10
  That's what you have, you know.
• 51:11
  You need people who are capable of fighting these like SS people.
• 51:16
  I mean, you know, his analogy was it would be kind of like you know, having the German people rise up and take over, fight the SS.
• 51:23
  I mean, they they would have all been mown down, probably, but the German army could have done it, you know.
• 51:30
  So that that's what he thinks should happen.
• 51:32
  Um, in terms of how I guess that's that's a matter of uh, you know, I don't know.
• 51:40
  I banking mines and military mines, but those were his thoughts, and I just, you know, tried to be um, you know, a receptacle for them in in writing this piece.
• 51:52
  But do you think that Trump should be making a deal with the Iranians, whoever he's negotiating with.
• 52:03
  No, I think it's ridiculous.
• 52:04
  I think it's ridiculous.
• 52:05
  I mean, they're we know they're liars, this regime, and now they're infuriated.
• 52:11
  Why should we?
• 52:12
  I mean, the point is they should be surrendering and short of an unconditional surrender.
• 52:19
  The other, you know, there's no reason to think, I mean, there's no reason to leave them in power and believe they're going to be better if they're not completely defeated, and they are the whole thing's moot anyway, Rob, because they basically just refuse Trump's offer, which Al Lucy had told me might happen early last week.
• 52:43
  He said they they want to humiliate him personally, so they may just reject it flat out.
• 52:49
  You know, these people are fanatics.
• 52:52
  And you know, he doesn't feel that President Trump or great President Trump necessarily is understanding.
• 52:58
  I mean, he understanding that.
• 53:00
  Um, you know, President Trump, I I can't say what's in his head.
• 53:05
  He does tend to try things, you know, to give people the benefit of the doubt and believe deals can be made.
• 53:12
  He's a pragmatist.
• 53:15
  You know, and maybe he's just wanted to give it a shot before going to DEF CON 5.
• 53:24
  I, you know, I or maybe he got a lot of people.
• 53:27
  I think he's giving it for it.
• 53:28
  He has giving them every opportunity possible to make a deal.
• 53:36
  I mean, it goes back to his first term.
• 53:40
  No enrichment of uranium.
• 53:43
  What don't they understand?
• 53:46
  When he came back into office, he said, no enrichment.
• 53:50
  I think it was around this time.
• 53:52
  He said, I'm gonna give you until a certain time frame.
• 53:55
  You guys decide.
• 53:56
  And they kept towing around, pussy fitting around.
• 53:59
  Oh, well, we're gonna do this.
• 54:00
  Oh, well, you know, excuse after excuse.
• 54:03
  And then finally he went in and just bombed them.
• 54:07
  Iran is hoping that our media tells the story for them, and they are.
• 54:15
  They they our media has done, I mean, the propaganda that's coming out of Iran that our media is keeps pushing is unbelievable.
• 54:22
  But at some point, I think that I mean, I'm already at that point.
• 54:28
  You guys can see I'm already there.
• 54:29
  Uh and it's only been a month, a little over I mean, right at a month, I think, that we went in.
• 54:37
  And because we hear so much about it, w it seems as if though we've been there for like years, but we haven't.
• 54:43
  But I want this thing to end and end quickly.
• 54:48
  I don't want this to impact the midterms.
• 54:52
  Uh because the media on the left, they're doing a good job at demonizing Republicans.
• 54:59
  Republicans, we just don't do a good job at defending ourselves and coming out and saying, but guys, look, this is this is why we're doing it.
• 55:05
  And then you have a lot of panickings who get nervous and say, oh my God, I don't want our bloodshed, and I don't want this.
• 55:10
  I'm like, folks, you have to understand the geopolitics of all of this.
• 55:15
  Trump goes into Venezuela, he cuts up their supply of oil, he takes it so that China, who's been in our backyard trying to pull them in to control all this.
• 55:27
  And now I'm just hearing that Trump is gonna allow Russia to send a cargo of oil to Cuba.
• 55:33
  No, don't do that.
• 55:34
  Let Cuba fall.
• 55:35
  I want Cuba to fall.
• 55:36
  I want Cuba just to go down.
• 55:38
  We have got to take control of all this.
• 55:42
  Because there are too many.
• 55:44
  If once Trump is out of office, that's it.
• 55:47
  Democrats come back into power, that's it for America.
• 55:50
  Believe me, that isn't it.
• 55:52
  Because they don't care about America.
• 55:54
  They're more concerned about illegals.
• 55:56
  And if Trump is unable to clean this up, put a bow tie on it so that the Iranians can never come back to power again.
• 56:03
  That's it, it's over.
• 56:04
  So all of you who keep saying, oh, this is Israel, no, it's not.
• 56:08
  I do believe this is the gov state, they're looking at this and they're saying we need to neutralize this threat now and not later.
• 56:16
  Because if we don't, there will be hill to pay for folks.
• 56:20
  Guess what?
• 56:20
  We're all out of time.
• 56:21
  And there's so much I wanted to get into with Heather on this.
• 56:24
  We're gonna come back again next week, next Sunday, and continue the conversation.
• 56:29
  But in my opinion, don't make a deal with the devil, President Trump.
• 56:33
  You've been listening to after dark of the America Outlaw Talk Radio Network.
• 56:36
  My co host tonight is Heather Robinson, who's reporting live from Florida.
• 56:40
  I mean I'm sorry, from California.
• 56:42
  As we always say with the show, God bless, God bless America, God bless Israel, and we'll see you next time on America out loud after dark.
• 56:50
  Thank you.