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ICE: How We Got Here (Part 3) · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to.
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Speaker 2: Steffan Never told You production of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 1: And welcome back for part three of what I thought
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Speaker 1: would it be like a two part episode possibly but
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Speaker 1: now has grown into a mini series. I've done it again.
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Speaker 1: It's your curse, it is my curse. There's too much happening.
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Speaker 1: But part three of whatever of our series about ice
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Speaker 1: and a border patrol as well as DHS. It's all
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Speaker 1: of them because they're kind of all in one. And
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Speaker 1: for those of you who are sticking with us, thank you.
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Speaker 1: I hope you're okay. I hope you're okay. As with before,
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Speaker 1: we are time stamping this for February eighteenth, twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: Content warning, politics, violation of human rights, separation, abused child,
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Speaker 1: porn and sexual assaults, in harassment again, violence and death,
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Speaker 1: and then some that's just overall. Anytime we're talking about
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Speaker 1: this whole situation in general, there may be brief mentions
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Speaker 1: here and there. It might just be really boring policy
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Speaker 1: stuff that is not as boring as you think because
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Speaker 1: it is life threatening. So at the end of last episode,
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Speaker 1: we mentioned that the Democrats are trying to negotiate with
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Speaker 1: the new proposal amount of the eleven billion dollars that
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Speaker 1: the president is asking for for ice and DHS for
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Speaker 1: yes in general, like to build more detention centers. What
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Speaker 1: we found out secretly because all of these news are
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Speaker 1: popping out after contracts are being completed, and then they're
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Speaker 1: getting a notice saying, hey, guess what, we're building a
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Speaker 1: multimillion dollar detention center here that you can't handle and
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be here. But whatever, the Democrats are trying to
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Speaker 1: negotiate with them, just for human decency, not even that
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Speaker 1: it shuts it down, not for less money, not for
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Speaker 1: anything else. Oh no, just to be better people essentially
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Speaker 1: and a better group of organizations. Again, though this shouldn't
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Speaker 1: even need to be a bargaining tool, is something that
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Speaker 1: has to be done as the agent seem to be
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Speaker 1: given a lot of leeway and how they operate, so
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Speaker 1: it should be one of those things that this should
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Speaker 1: be an obvious but yet it's not. And so we
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Speaker 1: have to negotiate with lots of money on how they
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Speaker 1: treat people. I guess before they treat them like nothing
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Speaker 1: once they're detained, because there's definitely no conversations about that.
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Speaker 1: It seems whatever As of today, we are currently under
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Speaker 1: partial shut down as DHS has refused to meet the
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Speaker 1: requests of the Democratic Party, which means almost nothing when
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Speaker 1: it comes to ICE and CBB operations. They will continue
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Speaker 1: their harassment and campaign against the marginalized community and their arrest,
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Speaker 1: all because of Donald Trump's recent bills that he was
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Speaker 1: able to get with hardly any pushback. I don't think
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Speaker 1: any actually, which will continue to fund their work. However,
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Speaker 1: I want to put this caveat again. We don't want
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Speaker 1: more money to be added to that already over the
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Speaker 1: top amount. But we'll see what happens with that. Like
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Speaker 1: I said February eighteenth, we're still in shutdown mode kind of.
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Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, they're still working DHS. People
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Speaker 1: are still working, just without a paycheck. So yeah, except
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Speaker 1: for the people who are in the big wigs, they
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Speaker 1: always get their money.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I love that. And with that, let's talk about the
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Speaker 1: concerns slash leeway that they're getting and practices of ICE
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Speaker 1: and CBP. We've talked a lot about the policies and
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Speaker 1: money being spent on DHS and ICE and CBP, but
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Speaker 1: today we're talking about the actual practices and incidents happening
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Speaker 1: by and because of them. It's a lot. There has
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Speaker 1: been a lot of heated debate on what ICE is
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Speaker 1: allowed to do, including if they have the right to
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Speaker 1: kill or injure people without any recourse, which is hilariously
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Speaker 1: like mind blowing. And I say hilariously loosely because you
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Speaker 1: would think that shouldn't be a statement in general. But
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Speaker 1: yet here we are in a country that has allowed
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Speaker 1: for police brutality and abuse with very little consequence or justice.
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Speaker 1: It's not surprising to see ICE and CBP have the
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Speaker 1: same allowance. After the killing of Renee Good, which by
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Speaker 1: the way, is one of many, this one got really
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Speaker 1: big because not only because she's a white woman, but
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Speaker 1: also because the way it happened, why it happened, and
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Speaker 1: then how the agents responded, as well as the area
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Speaker 1: it was happening in Minnesota is a hot spot. We
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Speaker 1: know this so many things, But there had been several
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Speaker 1: killings in the past, well forever and apparently, and we'll
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Speaker 1: come back to this in the next episode. I think
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five had the highest number of injury and
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Speaker 1: deaths from what I gather since in detention and in
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Speaker 1: relation to ICE. Just to put that there with that.
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Speaker 1: It was one of the high profile cases. Again, we're
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Speaker 1: going to talk about that case later. And the question
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Speaker 1: came about how or if the agents would be held
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Speaker 1: accountable for this death, for the murder. So far they
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Speaker 1: have not. They have not been held accountable. There's really
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Speaker 1: no talk about it because another death happened, and then
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Speaker 1: another death, and then more injuries and then diseases have
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Speaker 1: happened since then. That it's don't I haven't heard exactly
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Speaker 1: what is going on or whether they're able to get
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Speaker 1: any kind of justice for when they good. I know
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Speaker 1: her brother was able to speak at Congress, so something
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Speaker 1: is being talked about, doesn't mean there's actual justice happening.
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Speaker 1: From an article written by CBC, they write, according to
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Speaker 1: Ruter's legal analysis, federal agents are generally immune from state
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Speaker 1: prosecution if conducting their official duties at the federal level.
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Speaker 1: A prosecution would have to deal with the challenge of
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Speaker 1: proving the officer didn't believe they were potentially facing the
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Speaker 1: prospect of death or serious injury. In terms of civil litigation,
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Speaker 1: ICE agents, like police officers, are entitled to qualified immunity
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Speaker 1: for on the job shootings, though some Democrats would like
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Speaker 1: to change that. We the people would also like to
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Speaker 1: change that, as accountability and justice should not be this difficult,
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Speaker 1: especially when we the constituents, are asking for an investigation
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Speaker 1: in the matter. But it seems to officials who are
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Speaker 1: determined to undermine the people, this is a part of
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Speaker 1: qualified immunity. Again, at this point, we're just asking for
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Speaker 1: them to look at evidence, right, right, that doesn't seem
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Speaker 1: like that should be Again, as they would say, if
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Speaker 1: he's innocent, then okay, so he Shouldn'tah, this should prove
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Speaker 1: his innocence. Yeah, of course we also know how that
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Speaker 1: goes unfortunately. Moving on, Vice President Jade Vance stated in
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Speaker 1: a press conference after the murder of Renee Good that
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Speaker 1: the agents were protected by absolute immunity. That's what he
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Speaker 1: said in a CNN article written in January of twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six. They discussed whether that statement was true in
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Speaker 1: this incident. According to Vance, at this time he leaned
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Speaker 1: into the idea that this was an open shut case
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Speaker 1: through the rumors of what had happened were just that rumors,
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Speaker 1: like they were being told things that were not necessarily true,
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Speaker 1: but they were like from what we gather, she was there,
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Speaker 1: she was yelling, she got shot she deserved. It is
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Speaker 1: what they said. I'm putting that loosely. The accusation of
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Speaker 1: good having a gun at one point, or that she
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Speaker 1: forcefully tried to rent down the agent so much more
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Speaker 1: and still are swirling all of these ideals, which, by
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Speaker 1: the way, she did not have a gun. The videos
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Speaker 1: would relate that she was not trying to run him over.
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Speaker 1: But again that video that circulated, including her talking with
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Speaker 1: the agent, says that she was not mad at him
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Speaker 1: at one point, seemed to counter these narratives. Again, No,
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Speaker 1: if she was, like if she was threatening him, I
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Speaker 1: don't think that's the conversation. And in this video we
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Speaker 1: also witnessed the agent calling her a after shooting her
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Speaker 1: point blank. So Vance made this statement at the press conference, saying,
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Speaker 1: the president here is very simple. You have a federal
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Speaker 1: law enforcement official engaging in federal law enforcement action. That's
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Speaker 1: a federal issue. That guy is protected by absolute immunity.
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Speaker 1: He was doing his job. I've never seen anything like that.
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Speaker 1: It should it would get tossed out by judge. Even
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Speaker 1: though the State of Minnesota said no, we want to
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Speaker 1: look into this case.
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Speaker 2: Fvance gets my blood boiling. I tell you what just.
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Speaker 1: I just love that. That's how you phrased that, because
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Speaker 1: you sounded very old like I love old school. That
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Speaker 1: just gets my blood boiling.
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Speaker 2: You know me, And you know like all of my
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Speaker 2: sayings are very old school.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love it. I love everybody to.
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Speaker 2: So many while professionals, they argue that this type of
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Speaker 2: community is dangerous and actually not true. Going back to
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Speaker 2: that CNN article by Devin Cole quote, the idea that
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Speaker 2: a federal agent has absolute immunity for crimes they commit
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Speaker 2: on the job is absolutely ridiculous, said Michael J. Z. Mannheimer,
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Speaker 2: a constitutional law expert at Northern Kentucky University's Salomon P.
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Speaker 2: Chase College of Law. Mannheimer said that more than one
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty years of case law on the issue
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Speaker 2: of so called supremacy clause immunity has shown that federal
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Speaker 2: officials can be criminally pursued by state prosecutors for conduct
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Speaker 2: taken in the course of their official duties, but that
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Speaker 2: it's up to the courts to ultimately determine whether they
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Speaker 2: can be shielded from the charges.
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Speaker 1: Right now, again, this process could be difficult, probably will
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Speaker 1: be difficult no matter what state charges. Again would also
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Speaker 1: be difficult though it does seem that Minnesota may attempt it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, at some point they need to do something.
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Speaker 1: If they want to say that they are on the
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Speaker 1: side of their residence, then they need to. But that's
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Speaker 1: that's my opinion. Obviously. There are a lot of factors here, however,
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Speaker 1: including the fact that the crime scene was essentially cleaned
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Speaker 1: up by the agents very quickly, and they hastily ran
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Speaker 1: away from most of them, which causes a problem, like
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Speaker 1: literally within minutes, they cleaned up everything and ran away.
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Speaker 1: And in regards to the murder of Good, the local
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Speaker 1: investigator spoke about how the federal officials actually blocked them
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Speaker 1: from working this case, from looking at the evidence. Here's
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Speaker 1: what CNN wrote. The decision meant that the Minnesota Bureau
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Speaker 1: of a Criminal Apprehension, which was planning to jointly investigate
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Speaker 1: the matter with the Federal Bureau of Investigations, currently has
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Speaker 1: few tools available to fully scrutinize the shooting and provide
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Speaker 1: its findings to county prosecutors, who would then determine whether
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Speaker 1: the agent should face state charges. Without complete access to
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Speaker 1: the evidence, witnesses, and information collected, we cannot meet the
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Speaker 1: investigative standards that Minnesota law and the public demands. BCA
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Speaker 1: Superintendent Drew Evans said in a statement, So this has
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Speaker 1: happened twice. Now, this was directly after Renee murder. Alex
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Speaker 1: Pretty was another one that we will talk about at
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Speaker 1: a later point. They hastily, like when I say they
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Speaker 1: bolted out of there, they bolted out of there and
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Speaker 1: took everything with them and again blocked anybody who would
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Speaker 1: try to help. They even from what I understand, and
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Speaker 1: we'll go into more detail about that later, took and
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Speaker 1: arrested the witnesses. So that should say something. So all
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Speaker 1: of those things are very concerning and shows that they
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Speaker 1: can't even go forward to see if he actually acted
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Speaker 1: in his best interest, in his own protection or protection
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Speaker 1: of others. It literally looks as if he ran away
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Speaker 1: because he murdered somebody. Yeah, But to put it simply,
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Speaker 1: the idea that federal agents like ICE and CBP have
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Speaker 1: absolute immunity is not true. They can be charged if
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Speaker 1: they commit a crime, and states can charge them as well,
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Speaker 1: so it can be on all these levels. However, the
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Speaker 1: verbiage used in different cases can throw out these cases
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Speaker 1: and charges. So the way it's being put and how
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Speaker 1: who is being doing what because they were technically on duty,
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Speaker 1: it would be pretty easy to throw these charges out.
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Speaker 1: So this is from protect democracy dot org. They write
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Speaker 1: the Constitution's subordinates state laws to the federal government under
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Speaker 1: the Supremacy Clause, which makes federal laws the supreme law
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Speaker 1: of the land. We can expect federal officers to draw
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Speaker 1: on a Supreme Court case from eighteen eighty seven in
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Speaker 1: regards to legal and subsequent lower court cases to argue
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Speaker 1: that the supremacy Clause immunizes them from state prosecution for
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Speaker 1: actions taken within their lawful duties as federal officers. Overall,
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Speaker 1: the judges and this includes federal impellate judges, are the
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Speaker 1: ones that will determine whether an agent has immunity in
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Speaker 1: that moment. So there's a whole thing. We know this,
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Speaker 1: but we can't even get to there, which is part
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Speaker 1: of the problem. Also a part of the difficulty the
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Speaker 1: DHS labeling the victims and trying to spread misinformation of
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Speaker 1: the actions and other victims. So calling them terrorists does
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Speaker 1: not help the situation, though the mini videos release that
13:06
Speaker 1: do seem to validate the victims as if they were
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Speaker 1: truly victims. But again we'll talk about specifics about cases
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Speaker 1: in a bit Later.
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Speaker 2: In January of this year, DHS was caught sending an
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Speaker 2: internal memo allowing for administrative warrants to enter homes in
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Speaker 2: private property without the use of judicial oversight. From an
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Speaker 2: AP News article written by Rebecca Santana quote, the memo
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Speaker 2: authorizes ice officers to use force to enter residence based
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Speaker 2: solely on a more narrow administrative warrant to arrest someone
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Speaker 2: with a final order of removal, a move that advocates
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Speaker 2: say collides with Fourth Amendment protections and up ends years
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Speaker 2: of advice given to immigrant communities.
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Speaker 1: Right, I mean that's literally in general. I think we've
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Speaker 1: all heard this and incidents in specifics like you can't
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Speaker 1: they can't come into your home unless they have an
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Speaker 1: actual warrant signed by a judge. They do tricks where
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Speaker 1: they try to pull you out of the house to
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Speaker 1: get you. We've seen this happen and that's what we
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Speaker 1: understood it. But now that's kind of being thrown out
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Speaker 1: the window. So the mimum, which was made public through
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Speaker 1: a whistleblower complaint, has been hit with some backlash, enough
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Speaker 1: so that the DHS has denied the contents with defensive
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Speaker 1: statistics that they provide using Twitter as their research. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this way. So I was looking at
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Speaker 1: their page, which they were like adamant, saying that this
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Speaker 1: is not a thing. We didn't say that this, this
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Speaker 1: is a lie. And then they show and as in fact,
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Speaker 1: it shows that most Americans seventy five percent agree with
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Speaker 1: they think that we're doing a great job. Blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: So and it has a link to the status. I
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Speaker 1: was like, okay, I gotta look at it. I'll look
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Speaker 1: kicked again. And it goes to their own rapid response side,
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Speaker 1: which I'm gonna talk about it again, which just shows
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Speaker 1: graphs not really any links to those grafts. And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: what's what's happening? Is this what we're trusting on a
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Speaker 1: federal site that's their reference? Cool? Cool, I guess again,
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Speaker 1: it literally refers to their own handle that is used
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Speaker 1: to respond quickly, like they get very defensive and they
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Speaker 1: know they have to be very quick to respond so
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Speaker 1: they can try to squash any truths. I guess, any
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Speaker 1: rumors as well by saying no, oh, this is not
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Speaker 1: one right, not suspicious at all. And some more information
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Speaker 1: about the memo from that ap article, they write. The memos,
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Speaker 1: signed by the Acting Director of ICE, todd Lyons, dated
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Speaker 1: May twelfth, twenty twenty five, says, although the US Department
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Speaker 1: of Homeland Security has not historically relied on administrative warrants
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Speaker 1: alone to arrest aliens subject to final orders of removal
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Speaker 1: in their place of residence, the DHS Office of General
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Speaker 1: Counsel has recently determined that the US Constitution, the Immigration
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Speaker 1: and Nationality Act immigration regulations do not prohibit relying on
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Speaker 1: administrative warrants for this purpose.
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Speaker 2: And they did get a response in an email form
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Speaker 2: from the DHS spokesperson, Tricia McLaughlin.
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Speaker 1: Quote.
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Speaker 2: She said the officers issuing those warrants have also found
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Speaker 2: probable calls for the person's arrest. She said the Supreme
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Speaker 2: Court and Congress have recognized the propriety of administrative warrants
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Speaker 2: in cases of immigration enforcement. Without elaborating, McLaughlin did not
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Speaker 2: respond to questions about whether ICE officers entered a person's
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Speaker 2: home since the memo was issued relying solely on an
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Speaker 2: administrative warrant, and if so, how often.
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Speaker 1: Right, So, they're playing a lot of dodging like they
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Speaker 1: are the.
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Speaker 2: They're the masters of fear.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, in this situation of if that was a dodgeball,
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Speaker 1: they won. They won. So the American Immigration Council wrote
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Speaker 1: an article specifically talking about the differences in the administrations,
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Speaker 1: and they said, this is about the administrative warrants quote
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Speaker 1: underpass administration SIS. Warrantless immigration arrest of non citizens living
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Speaker 1: in the United States usually happened in the context of
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Speaker 1: quote collateral arrests. Agents would look for one person that
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Speaker 1: identified in advance as being in violation of immigration law,
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Speaker 1: but would encounter others at the same location who they
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Speaker 1: had probable cause to believe were also in violation of
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Speaker 1: immigration law. Administrations have taken different approaches to collateral arrests.
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Speaker 1: Both the Obama and Biden administrations implemented strict restrictions on
17:26
Speaker 1: the use of collateral immigration arrests. Collateral arrests were broadly
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Speaker 1: permitted under the first Trump administration, though the Castaignan nove
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Speaker 1: litigations set limits on when they could be used. Because
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Speaker 1: the second Trump administration will often stop and question people
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Speaker 1: at random without any specific target in the first place,
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Speaker 1: the distinction between collateral arrests and other arrests has faded.
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Speaker 1: A January twenty twenty six mimimo from ICE director Todd
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Speaker 1: Lyons explicitly directs supervisors to issue an administrate warrant in
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Speaker 1: real time for someone who has already been stopped and
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Speaker 1: questioned if ICE has probable cause to believe the person
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Speaker 1: is removable, so agents can then make an arrest. So
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Speaker 1: it's talk first, profile and then do the warrant after
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Speaker 1: they've already arrested them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they go on to talk about the memo
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Speaker 2: we just mentioned quote. Furthermore, that same memo radically expands
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Speaker 2: ICE's definition of who constitutes a person likely to escape
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Speaker 2: and can therefore be arrested without an administrative warrant. Under
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Speaker 2: the January twenty twenty sixth memo, the Trump administration redefines
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Speaker 2: flight risk. Specifically, ICE declares that anyone who might not
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Speaker 2: wait at the scene of their encounter with immigration agents
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Speaker 2: for a warrant to be created should be considered likely
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Speaker 2: to escape. In other words, if an agent who has
18:45
Speaker 2: stopped someone on a street corner to ask for their
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Speaker 2: papers believes that the person would walk away before the
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Speaker 2: agent had a chance to fill out an administrative warrant
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Speaker 2: and get it approved, they can skip the administrative warrant
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Speaker 2: and arrest them on the spot.
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Speaker 1: Right, and this is what we call catch twenty two.
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Speaker 1: Like literally, right here, an impossible situation for those who
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Speaker 1: are being profiled. And we're going to talk about that
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Speaker 1: and speaking of in just a second. However, again, want
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Speaker 1: to put in this conversation how much authority we are
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Speaker 1: giving ice to make these choices, like if you so choose,
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Speaker 1: if you do, especially for agents who have been very
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Speaker 1: little trained, Like literally, we understand that they are the
19:31
Speaker 1: least trained in law enforcements like the Department of Juvenile
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Speaker 1: Justice in the State of Georgia, who are considered probation
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Speaker 1: officers have more training, hm, who actually consider social workers
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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, case workers have more training
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Speaker 1: than this, who carry weapons and have these big decisions
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Speaker 1: to make. Yeah, and we I'm not gonna lie. Don't
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Speaker 1: think they have good critical thinking skills when it comes
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Speaker 1: to making these choices. No, I don't think so again
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Speaker 1: my opinion. Moving on again back to that conversation about
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Speaker 1: being profiled. Yep, they do that too. Last year, the
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court made a temporary ruling that allows for race
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Speaker 1: and ethnicity as a basis in detaining or interrogating someone
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Speaker 1: now according to their fact sheet, y'all, I've been on
20:18
Speaker 1: their fact sheet. I've been on their sides a little
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Speaker 1: too much lately. The DHS writes this, given the unique
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Speaker 1: nature of parts of DHS's mission, most notably in protecting
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Speaker 1: our borders and securing our skies, some DHS activity is
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Speaker 1: not covered by the policy. This does not mean that
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Speaker 1: officers and agents are free to profile. To the contrary,
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Speaker 1: DHS's existing policies make it categorically clear that profiling is prohibited,
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Speaker 1: while articulating limited circumstances where it is permissible to rely
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Speaker 1: in part on these characteristics because of the unique nature
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Speaker 1: of border and transportation securities as compared to traditional law enforcements.
20:55
Speaker 1: That's a really fantacy wave, like no, we don't want
20:57
Speaker 1: you to, but if there's a small chance, go for it.
21:04
Speaker 1: But we didn't tell you to do that. They do
21:06
Speaker 1: explicitly write that there are narrow or strict usages of
21:10
Speaker 1: racial profiling, but again, there means they're allowed to do this,
21:14
Speaker 1: and we have to assume that on good fate, that
21:19
Speaker 1: people are gonna make better choices, which again I don't
21:22
Speaker 1: think we've seen evidence to that. When it comes to
21:25
Speaker 1: ice and CVP No, I don't. I don't think so. So.
21:31
Speaker 1: Brookings wrote a response to the Supreme Court decision in
21:33
Speaker 1: October twenty twenty five, and they explain what the impact
21:36
Speaker 1: will be for immigrants and refugees. They write specifically, the
21:39
Speaker 1: scota's decision allows IC use the following criteria when making
21:43
Speaker 1: investigative stops. The type of location at which they are
21:46
Speaker 1: found such as car washer, bus stop, the type of
21:49
Speaker 1: job they appeared to work, whether they speak Spanish or
21:51
Speaker 1: English with an accent in their parent race or ethnicity.
21:56
Speaker 1: I feel like that is profiling no in just to me, Yeah,
22:02
Speaker 1: these are the specifications that are allowed. These narrow margins.
22:04
Speaker 1: Those are really big narrow margins because essentially I could
22:07
Speaker 1: have an accent because we all are considered to have
22:11
Speaker 1: an accent. Do we know what they're implying? Yes?
22:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
22:16
Speaker 1: The ruling goes in depth of the harms that this
22:19
Speaker 1: type of ruling could and has caused, whether it's a
22:22
Speaker 1: risk the health literally like they're published the act before
22:26
Speaker 1: they went away, HSS, which is the Federal Health Department,
22:30
Speaker 1: talked about the mental health and stress and physical health
22:34
Speaker 1: that the types of ruling has on people, specifically from
22:39
Speaker 1: the refugee immigrant communities. And I'm gonna tell you, as
22:42
Speaker 1: a person who has been naturalized and could have been
22:46
Speaker 1: is considered an immigrant, Yeah, I'm losing it. I'm losing
22:52
Speaker 1: all of my hair and sleep, and my anxieties is
22:55
Speaker 1: at a peak. So every time I turn around the
22:57
Speaker 1: fact that I have to carry my passport at all
22:59
Speaker 1: times and I'm worried about renewing and what would happen
23:01
Speaker 1: if I try to renew it and whether it be revoked.
23:04
Speaker 1: It's stressful. But for those who are especially in the
23:07
Speaker 1: Latino community, Latino community, yeah in Nenza, and those who
23:12
Speaker 1: are even just working who came here to get to
23:15
Speaker 1: that point, I can't imagine. People have talked about the
23:19
Speaker 1: fact that they have not left their house. They're not
23:21
Speaker 1: able to do anything in fear. We saw the video
23:26
Speaker 1: of the young kids running away when they thought there
23:29
Speaker 1: was ice at a bus stop, like that in itself.
23:33
Speaker 1: When we talk about the toll that this is taking
23:36
Speaker 1: on a group of people, at a massive group of people,
23:39
Speaker 1: and how this is grotesque, like I can't even find
23:42
Speaker 1: the words because there's no real words to describe how
23:45
Speaker 1: bad this is and what kind of evil it takes
23:49
Speaker 1: to do these two people, but whatever, that is also
23:52
Speaker 1: my opinion. Moving on, something else that has been worth
23:56
Speaker 1: criticizing is the issue of no due process with orders
24:01
Speaker 1: from DHS, which is being carried out. Just for clarification.
24:05
Speaker 1: This is what the IRC rights as due process. Due
24:08
Speaker 1: process is a fundamental right guaranteed by the United States Constitution.
24:12
Speaker 1: It protects people against arbitrary government decisions and ensures fairness
24:16
Speaker 1: in legal matters. Both citizens and non citizens in the
24:20
Speaker 1: US have the right to do process, a chance to
24:22
Speaker 1: defend their rights, and to have a fair hearing. So
24:25
Speaker 1: it's important to note that in April twenty twenty five,
24:29
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court did of reaffirm that it was quote
24:32
Speaker 1: a fundamental right to do process which extends to everyone
24:36
Speaker 1: in America, regardless of their legal status. So they really
24:40
Speaker 1: did say, even though they all went back and forth,
24:42
Speaker 1: but they all unanimous said, but everyone, no matter their status,
24:46
Speaker 1: is allowed for due process. They have the right to
24:50
Speaker 1: do that. So they said it. The most right reaching,
24:56
Speaker 1: absurd Supreme Court that is empower right now has said,
24:59
Speaker 1: e yeah, yeah, non citizens they can. They should have
25:03
Speaker 1: new process as well. We agree with that. Okay, so
25:06
Speaker 1: that's established. However, in an executive order to bypass this,
25:13
Speaker 1: they allowed dhs to detain into port without having to
25:16
Speaker 1: go before an immigration judge.
25:17
Speaker 2: Still yeah, and in general, the administration has made it
25:22
Speaker 2: a lot harder for immigrants to get legal counsel. Here's
25:26
Speaker 2: a bit of information from via dot org quote. The
25:30
Speaker 2: Trump administration's expanded use of detention and rapid deportations will
25:34
Speaker 2: drastically reduce the likelihood that people will be able to
25:37
Speaker 2: secure legal representation to help them navigate their case. Lawyers
25:42
Speaker 2: and the immigrant defense infrastructure that has grown over decades
25:45
Speaker 2: to protect immigrants' rights has also come under attack. Trump
25:49
Speaker 2: has issued an executive order accusing immigration attorneys of fraud
25:52
Speaker 2: and threatening them with investigations and sanctions. Has also gutted
25:57
Speaker 2: funding for critical legal services that help people facing detention
26:01
Speaker 2: and deportation. The US Department of Justice ordered legal service
26:05
Speaker 2: providers to cease work on critical programs, including the Legal
26:09
Speaker 2: Orientation Program, the Immigration Court Helped Desk, the Family Group
26:13
Speaker 2: Legal Orientation Program, the Council for Children Initiative, and the
26:17
Speaker 2: National Qualified Representative Program, which represents people in detention who
26:22
Speaker 2: a judge has determined cannot competently represent themselves because of
26:26
Speaker 2: mental illness. The Office of Refugee Resettlement has also canceled
26:31
Speaker 2: the Unaccompanied Children program, which was representing twenty six thousand
26:36
Speaker 2: children who arrived to the United States without a parent.
26:41
Speaker 1: So, as we talked about in past episodes, and we
26:46
Speaker 1: talked about the fact that they refused as billions of
26:49
Speaker 1: dollars come into their hands, none of that went to
26:51
Speaker 1: this as in fact, they have all been cut. There
26:53
Speaker 1: was no reason to cut this. They have money. They
26:55
Speaker 1: have money, and they're asking for more money.
27:00
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. It got to build a ballroom, Samantha.
27:04
Speaker 1: This is where I'm like, this is evil. You purposely
27:06
Speaker 1: made it hard, and you made it for those who
27:09
Speaker 1: are coming the right way, quote unquote. And I put
27:11
Speaker 1: this very sarcastically because it makes me angry in this
27:13
Speaker 1: conversation to that to be deterred in being able to
27:19
Speaker 1: come about the people who have already probably contributed so
27:22
Speaker 1: much to our community. Yeah, but I digress. With all
27:26
Speaker 1: of that, he has laid off many immigration staff and judges,
27:30
Speaker 1: causing more chaos and substantial delays in the system. So
27:34
Speaker 1: those who are even trying the layoffs that was supposed
27:38
Speaker 1: to help us, guess what, it's not helping US. Yes,
27:42
Speaker 1: obviously this was on purpose, and instead we see a
27:45
Speaker 1: great amount of funding going into inhumane detention centers that
27:48
Speaker 1: are not safe nor suitable for humans at all. Again,
27:51
Speaker 1: we'll get to that a little bit later. And though
28:04
Speaker 1: it may seem that there was a small victory when
28:06
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court did rule that everyone had the right
28:09
Speaker 1: to do process, we can clearly see that the undermining
28:11
Speaker 1: of the current administration has been overwhelming and has been working.
28:15
Speaker 1: And speaking of undermining, let's talk about how people who
28:18
Speaker 1: do not have to wear anything to identify law enforcements
28:21
Speaker 1: credentials are also allowed to cover up their face and
28:24
Speaker 1: the name of protection are just doing what they want
28:28
Speaker 1: without any accountability. So, according to the New York Bart Organization,
28:34
Speaker 1: the Law organization is against the Federal regulations all of this, well,
28:39
Speaker 1: not necessarily the masks, but the non identifiers. From their
28:43
Speaker 1: press release, they wrote, the Code of Federal Regulations provision
28:46
Speaker 1: with governing the conduct of Immigration Officers require that at
28:50
Speaker 1: the time of the rest, the designated immigration officer shall,
28:53
Speaker 1: as soon as it is practical and safe to do so,
28:56
Speaker 1: identify himself or herself as an immigration officer who is
29:00
Speaker 1: authorized to make the arrest justice police officers are routinely
29:04
Speaker 1: required to identify themselves as law enforcement and to display
29:08
Speaker 1: identifying information such as their name and badge number. Federal
29:12
Speaker 1: law enforcement officers likewise have a responsibility to safeguard the
29:16
Speaker 1: rights and safety of anyone under their authority by ensuring
29:20
Speaker 1: a means of accountability and allowing recourse to the course
29:23
Speaker 1: to challenge any unlawful conduct. Sounds pretty simple. They've got
29:31
Speaker 1: billions of dollars. Why not put it in an actual
29:33
Speaker 1: uniform and identification. Yeah, you think, And yet they have
29:39
Speaker 1: not followed these regulations. And the next question we had
29:42
Speaker 1: to ask, why are they allowed to cover up their
29:44
Speaker 1: identity and their faces like all the things. Essentially, the
29:48
Speaker 1: DHS claims they are allowed to do so because of
29:50
Speaker 1: the fear of doxing an agent, which honestly, I will
29:54
Speaker 1: say I have seen happen. Doxing is not great. Yeah,
29:59
Speaker 1: it is the It is against the law all of
30:03
Speaker 1: those things. However, that doesn't mean that the agents are
30:07
Speaker 1: allowed to do uh whatever they want covering their face,
30:11
Speaker 1: not having to identify themselves and being able to do whatever,
30:16
Speaker 1: also to not knowing who they are and being held
30:20
Speaker 1: accountable is not the same thing. As doxing. Just because
30:25
Speaker 1: we know your name, that is not doxing. Just because
30:30
Speaker 1: we know what you look like, that is not doxing.
30:34
Speaker 1: Could it get there? Has it gotten there? Sure? Do
30:38
Speaker 1: we have heroes that don't wear caps that might identify
30:41
Speaker 1: on dating apps who was ICE agents? Maybe? Is that bad?
30:49
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think that's doxing either.
30:56
Speaker 1: You're just saying do you know who you're dating? So
31:01
Speaker 1: there have been several reports of people impersonating ICE agents
31:06
Speaker 1: to threaten or even harm people as of late, again
31:09
Speaker 1: back to that press release by the NYC, bar allowing
31:12
Speaker 1: massed ICE agents to conduct detentions also make it increasingly
31:16
Speaker 1: likely that third party actors will impersonate federal agents and
31:20
Speaker 1: use their anonymity to subject vulnerable population to harassment and
31:25
Speaker 1: violence under the parent color of law. In recent months,
31:28
Speaker 1: ICE agents have regularly refused to present warrants when requested.
31:32
Speaker 1: Coupled with the new practice of face coverings during detentions,
31:35
Speaker 1: it becomes nearly impossible to distinguish the conduct of an
31:38
Speaker 1: imposture from that of an authorized agent. Even before the
31:41
Speaker 1: apparent mass policy went into effect, arising crimes perpetuated by
31:45
Speaker 1: individuals impersonating ice agents and other law enforcement officers, including harassment,
31:50
Speaker 1: left extortions, assault, battery, sexual assault, and kidnapping was being
31:55
Speaker 1: reported tragically at this writing. The suspect and the recent
31:59
Speaker 1: shootings of men so to state legislators and their spouses
32:01
Speaker 1: too fatally allegedly disguised himself as a police officer when
32:06
Speaker 1: approaching them at their respective residencies at the time of
32:09
Speaker 1: the attacks. So I have seen video upon video upon
32:17
Speaker 1: video of people putting on a vest which you can
32:21
Speaker 1: easily get anywhere, saying they are agents because they don't
32:25
Speaker 1: have necessarily the badges that they need. They're just covering
32:28
Speaker 1: up their face. They don't have actual uniforms typically like
32:31
Speaker 1: they kind of but they don't, and they're driving unmarked cars.
32:35
Speaker 1: So it makes it impossible to really believe who is
32:39
Speaker 1: what and who isn't. And there's been incidents where people
32:43
Speaker 1: are violated and just racist people who just want to
32:47
Speaker 1: threaten and feel powerful, which is to those people few
32:52
Speaker 1: like what the fuck moving on? Currently? A part of
32:55
Speaker 1: the negotiations that are not happening as in like is
32:58
Speaker 1: because we're shut down. But this is what they're asking
33:00
Speaker 1: is that agents are not allowed to hide their faces,
33:03
Speaker 1: which the DHS is not agreeing to, even though technically
33:06
Speaker 1: is not a policy for agents to be in masks,
33:09
Speaker 1: Like that's not something that is a thing there. And
33:15
Speaker 1: again just to put this like asterisks, like most of
33:18
Speaker 1: those people who love ICE are the same people who
33:20
Speaker 1: hate in masks during COVID Yeah, and actually banned masks. Yeah,
33:30
Speaker 1: saving lives, no taking lives yeah m hm yep. Anyway,
33:39
Speaker 1: so that is something that needs in conversation. Another issue
33:42
Speaker 1: of concerned with ICE is a collaboration with local law
33:45
Speaker 1: enforcement and with the national reserves, with the agencies.
33:48
Speaker 2: Yes, currently Trump is using the two to eighty seven
33:52
Speaker 2: G program for ICE to use local law enforcement at
33:55
Speaker 2: this time. And what is two eighty seven G. Here's
34:00
Speaker 2: bit from NPR dot org quote. The program, established in
34:04
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, allows state and local law enforcement officers
34:07
Speaker 2: to act as immigration enforcement agents. That means questioning, investigating,
34:12
Speaker 2: and in some cases arresting people for civil immigration violations.
34:16
Speaker 2: Authority traditionally reserved for federal officers.
34:21
Speaker 1: So there are fourteen hundred and twelve agreements that are
34:23
Speaker 1: currently active, with one thousand, one hundred and thirty that
34:26
Speaker 1: were signed in twenty twenty five. So Trump really pushed
34:29
Speaker 1: this to a new level. And NBR just also wrote
34:32
Speaker 1: down how this program works. So one day jail enforcement model,
34:36
Speaker 1: which allows for officers who bring in anybody and everybody
34:41
Speaker 1: to be checked for their citizenships, no matter the charge.
34:44
Speaker 1: So you got a ticket you can't pay all, we're
34:47
Speaker 1: going to check you. Like any minor things, child support, neglect, sure,
34:52
Speaker 1: we're going to check that too. So all of those things.
34:55
Speaker 1: Same with warrants that are being served. I will tell
34:59
Speaker 1: you when I worked at DJJ and I actually refused
35:03
Speaker 1: to do it. We were supposed to call and this
35:07
Speaker 1: was under Obama, so this has been in place. They
35:13
Speaker 1: asked us to call a report to Immigration anybody who
35:17
Speaker 1: is undocumented, but yeah, I refuse to do that. So
35:20
Speaker 1: same thing with Lawrence. I know that corrections officers and
35:23
Speaker 1: probation officers have been told to do so as well.
35:27
Speaker 1: Any officer can check and make arrest for immigration violations.
35:31
Speaker 1: So if they think you're violating this just to podunk,
35:36
Speaker 1: sheriff's office deputy can assist and actually arrest you. I
35:40
Speaker 1: will say, in the state of Georgia, there has been
35:42
Speaker 1: immigration enforcement task force that have been plucked from the
35:47
Speaker 1: local agencies at the very least, though those people were trained,
35:53
Speaker 1: actually trained twice. So but do I I get no,
35:57
Speaker 1: but they were actually trained our lost friends. Yes. And
36:01
Speaker 1: with that, the National Guard has also been placed as
36:03
Speaker 1: assistant to ICE and CBP. We know Trump has sent
36:07
Speaker 1: guards to Portland, Oregon based on false information because he's
36:11
Speaker 1: not smart enough to not realize that all the videos
36:14
Speaker 1: on social media are not true. Oh no, I'm on
36:18
Speaker 1: a list. I'm on a list for sure. We're gonna
36:20
Speaker 1: talk about that in a minute. Yeah. So, and he
36:23
Speaker 1: has continued to threaten to send many more. Some have
36:26
Speaker 1: welcomed it. Georgia's state governor Kemp's like, yeah, bring him
36:29
Speaker 1: down here, let's do it. Mm hmmm. We have a
36:35
Speaker 1: governorshace happening soon, which is why Trump is actually here. Now,
36:38
Speaker 1: did you know that he's working?
36:39
Speaker 2: I know he's here. He's in North Georgia, right, mm hmm.
36:46
Speaker 2: It's horrible, I know, mm hmm.
36:50
Speaker 1: There's also a lot of protests happening in Georgia. So
36:51
Speaker 1: at least good news bad news. And but we've just
36:56
Speaker 1: seen a countermove. Governor Tim Walls of Minnesota sent the
36:59
Speaker 1: state National Guards as well. They were trying to ease
37:02
Speaker 1: some of the tensions. And I will say they weren't
37:05
Speaker 1: necessarily there to protect the like those who are protesting,
37:09
Speaker 1: but they were there to kind of help out the
37:12
Speaker 1: situation because they were also afright for their citizens, like
37:15
Speaker 1: they're like, wait, wait, this is what's happening. I did
37:18
Speaker 1: see several videos of the reservists bringing goods like food
37:22
Speaker 1: and such to the protesters, trying to like buy back
37:25
Speaker 1: some goodwill. I've not seen a lot of them, but
37:30
Speaker 1: a few. I will say a lot of the stuff
37:32
Speaker 1: that's happening in Minnesota has been muted, and of course
37:35
Speaker 1: that's on purpose. And though there's claims we're gonna talk
37:38
Speaker 1: about this later but that they're pulling out people, they
37:41
Speaker 1: really haven't. And then there are also the concerns that
37:46
Speaker 1: DHS and ICE are spying on everyone, including those who
37:51
Speaker 1: they considered to be citizens, like we are actual people
37:53
Speaker 1: who've born here, who have family here. They are spying
37:56
Speaker 1: on YouTube, they we are being spied upon. Of course
37:59
Speaker 1: that we've talked about this a lot. It's been happening
38:02
Speaker 1: for a while the government has given a lot oflyway
38:05
Speaker 1: to social media companies to allow for this, so they
38:07
Speaker 1: could tap in we knew what was happening with all
38:11
Speaker 1: of these safeguarding for children laws. Guess what it's not
38:15
Speaker 1: for children? Moving on, just recently, reports have been coming
38:19
Speaker 1: out on DHS demanding data from major sites including Google, Facebook,
38:23
Speaker 1: and Discord, and several of them have sent in the
38:25
Speaker 1: data as requested from The New York Times, who first
38:29
Speaker 1: published the news. They said in recent months, Google, Reddit, Discord,
38:32
Speaker 1: and Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram, have received hundreds
38:35
Speaker 1: of administrative subpoenas from the Department of Homeland Security, According
38:39
Speaker 1: to for government officials and tech employees privy to the request,
38:43
Speaker 1: They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are
38:45
Speaker 1: not authorized to speak publicly. Google Meta and Read It
38:48
Speaker 1: complied with some of the requests, the government officials said.
38:52
Speaker 1: In the subpoenas, the department asked the companies for identifying
38:54
Speaker 1: details or accounts that do not have a real person's
38:57
Speaker 1: need to attach and that have criticized ICE or pointed
39:00
Speaker 1: to the locations of ICE agents. The New York Times
39:04
Speaker 1: saw two subpoenas that were sent to Meta over the
39:06
Speaker 1: last six months. So let's be clear, these companies did
39:11
Speaker 1: not have to comply, and yet Google Meta and Read
39:15
Speaker 1: it did handing over information include anything that may be
39:18
Speaker 1: criticizing or opposing ICE. Wow, that is horrifying. That is horrifying.
39:26
Speaker 1: These multi billion dollar companies who want your business, our business,
39:31
Speaker 1: and we use these things as well, by the way,
39:35
Speaker 1: just freely gave over their customers information specifically because they
39:41
Speaker 1: opposed something that we see that many see as inhumane
39:47
Speaker 1: and illegal. They did this. DHS again has taken a
39:55
Speaker 1: lot of liberties to invade the privacy of users of
39:58
Speaker 1: all of these apps with the use of protecting ICE agents.
40:02
Speaker 1: And this is neither just the beginning. This is neither
40:05
Speaker 1: the beginning nor just the end. Like we're full on
40:09
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah.
40:12
Speaker 2: And to explain the use of these warrants, the New
40:14
Speaker 2: York Times writes, quote, Unlike arrest warrants, which required judges' approval,
40:19
Speaker 2: administrative subpoenas are issued by the Department of Homeland Security.
40:23
Speaker 2: They were only sparingly used in the past, primarily to
40:26
Speaker 2: uncover the people behind social media accounts engaged in serious
40:29
Speaker 2: crimes such as child trafficking, said tech employees familiar with
40:33
Speaker 2: the legal tool, But last year the Department ramped up
40:37
Speaker 2: its use of subpoenas to unmask anonymous social media accounts.
40:42
Speaker 1: Can we have that moment? This was originally used for
40:45
Speaker 1: child trafficking, and now that narrative has turned to anyone
40:48
Speaker 1: opposing the government. I think we've talked a lot about
40:52
Speaker 1: this with Bridget and we saw it coming.
40:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been saying it. A lot of us have
40:59
Speaker 2: been saying it the way.
41:01
Speaker 1: I want to throw all electronics. But at the same time,
41:04
Speaker 1: I'm so codependent. Our job is based on of us.
41:07
Speaker 2: Yeah.
41:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, even sites like military dot Com, which I was
41:14
Speaker 1: really like, wait what, they're questioning this and have concerns
41:17
Speaker 1: enough to look into the New York Times article as
41:19
Speaker 1: well as contenting the ACLU over the instances like this,
41:23
Speaker 1: and even the individual company. So social media companies didn't
41:26
Speaker 1: look in researching because this is a precedent that's going
41:30
Speaker 1: to change everything. This has been a precedent that's changing everything.
41:33
Speaker 1: We should say and in regards to individual privacy and
41:37
Speaker 1: even the most like right leaning individual they I know
41:41
Speaker 1: will be concerned. My father, my brother who said they
41:44
Speaker 1: didn't want a smartphone or a Google in their house,
41:47
Speaker 1: or Alexa saying they listen to us. They are listening
41:52
Speaker 1: to us. It is your administration that you voted for family. Sorry,
41:58
Speaker 1: y'all just got lost in my own sadness, all right,
42:01
Speaker 1: which leads to the question, with this type of interference
42:04
Speaker 1: in breach of privacy, are they keeping a list? As
42:07
Speaker 1: one agent told an observer. So in January, legal representatives
42:12
Speaker 1: were watching the movements of ICE. One agent actually was
42:14
Speaker 1: seen recording and taking pictures of their cars, and when
42:17
Speaker 1: asked what he was doing, he stated that they had
42:19
Speaker 1: a quote nice little database, and now you're considered a
42:22
Speaker 1: domestic terrorist. He was real giddy in telling her this.
42:26
Speaker 1: If y'all ever heard this recording, it's like, Aha, guess what.
42:31
Speaker 1: And though the spokesperson, again Tritian McLaughlin, stated there was
42:34
Speaker 1: no such thing, others are reporting that there was. From
42:37
Speaker 1: a Yahoo dot com article about the incident, quote, Independent
42:40
Speaker 1: journalist Ken Klippenstein reported today that an unnamed federal law
42:43
Speaker 1: enforcement official told him that DHS quote has ordered immigration
42:47
Speaker 1: officers to gather at identifying information about anyone filming them.
42:51
Speaker 1: Now we know that Trump has been using the term
42:53
Speaker 1: domestic terrorists for anyone who is opposed to his policies
42:56
Speaker 1: or his actions, calling that an American anti Christian all
42:59
Speaker 1: of these things was like, wait, what because I feel
43:02
Speaker 1: like that's real Christian to be like, hey, let's stop
43:05
Speaker 1: hurting our neighbors. Can we love our neighbors? But yet
43:10
Speaker 1: to say that that's bad is anti Christian. Weird jump
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Speaker 1: but okay, And here we know that he has been
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Speaker 1: wanting something like this. He loves the good list of
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Speaker 1: all of his enemies. That's he would say. He is
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Speaker 1: a petty jerk. The current ICE director, Todd Lyons, has
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Speaker 1: denied such a database exists, but many disagree. One researcher
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Speaker 1: wrote this on Blue Sky and he actually researches for
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Speaker 1: Cato Institute, and he said he quote either one perjured
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Speaker 1: himself or two has no idea what's going on in
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Speaker 1: his own agency, because all those facial recognition shots they're
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Speaker 1: taking of people on the streets of the country are
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Speaker 1: going somewhere besides the agent's smartphone. Yes, why are they
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Speaker 1: asking for all of this information if they don't have
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Speaker 1: a data base, Where's who who's keeping this fun little
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Speaker 1: list that one agent doubtful. I don't think he's that organized.
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Speaker 1: Let's be real honest, So this h that's information. Fetscoop
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Speaker 1: dot com had a whole article about this, and well,
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Speaker 1: and they had pulled that post up from Blue Sky,
44:16
Speaker 1: and I think it's a good conversation to have because
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Speaker 1: you can't say there's nothing there if you're collecting data.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like where is it going?
44:24
Speaker 1: Then, like you're specifically requesting for social media companies to
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Speaker 1: give you names and addresses of people opposing these types
44:33
Speaker 1: of policies and you say there's no database. Yeah, weird.
44:40
Speaker 1: And with contracts like companies like Flock, who has been
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Speaker 1: working in tandem with Ice to identify license plates on
44:46
Speaker 1: the road as well as other identifiers, it's hard to
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Speaker 1: believe that they're not doing exactly that. Even though they're
44:51
Speaker 1: like they're just trying to get the violent criminals, there
44:55
Speaker 1: has not been that many, like literally a handful of
44:58
Speaker 1: violent criminals have been taken, and you know, you would
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Speaker 1: know because they would say it very loudly. So they've
45:03
Speaker 1: been able to talk about two, I think, folent criminals
45:06
Speaker 1: and then they made out the rest. He's definitely violently,
45:09
Speaker 1: He've got tattoos. Interesting take. Interesting take. What I didn't
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Speaker 1: also talk about was the usage of data from medicaid
45:18
Speaker 1: and Medicare sites, which I was like, oh, you know,
45:21
Speaker 1: we'll hold off because it wasn't just to find immigrants
45:24
Speaker 1: and refugees because they got that though they went through
45:29
Speaker 1: and paid taxes. FYI. But all that to say, but
45:34
Speaker 1: they do collect a lot of information from those types
45:38
Speaker 1: of sites and any of the government bases, and they
45:42
Speaker 1: have been able to locate a lot of immigrants through
45:44
Speaker 1: go government sites that show that they pay taxes. Man,
45:48
Speaker 1: I'm getting really heated. I'm gonna stop now. But that
45:51
Speaker 1: is thus far in this conversation of what is going on,
45:54
Speaker 1: we're actually going into outside of the policies and the
45:58
Speaker 1: ways that I in CBP have working. We're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about the concerns that is happening in the actual
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Speaker 1: things that again we are doing or people are doing
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Speaker 1: to fight against this administration as well as ice hopefully
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Speaker 1: in the next episode, next last episode.
46:15
Speaker 2: Of this unintentional mini series. It is a lot to unpack.
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Speaker 2: But I believe that we're also going to take a
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Speaker 2: break before that one comes out.
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Speaker 1: Yes, because we have a lot of things this February.
46:26
Speaker 1: There's also good things to celebrate. When we talked about
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Speaker 1: joy and enjoying things as a way of resistance, and
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Speaker 1: we're going to do that.
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Speaker 2: Yes. So Part four coming in March probably probably yes,
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Speaker 2: but it will be coming. And as always, listeners, thanks
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