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The History and Legacy of Far-Less · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:30
  Speaker 1: Today, We've got Brandon, Jordan and Joseph from far Less.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: This is an interview I've been looking forward to for
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: a long time, even well before we you know, we connected.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: This is like an interview where I'm like, God, if
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: I could just talk with far Less at some point,
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: that would be so sick. It feels like, you know,
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: then I can like put this podcast to rest. It
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: feels you know, it feels like I've made it. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a I'm an adoring fan of far Less. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how many far Less fans are really
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: out there, but if there are a dozen, I'm one
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: of the dozen. You know, there are dozens of us,
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: you know, So I'm super excited to chat with you guys.
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: We're specifically gonna chat about your two thousand and six album.
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: Everyone is out to get us, one of my favorite albums,
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  Speaker 1: especially of that year, and so we'll talk all about that.
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  Speaker 1: But we also I want to talk a lot about
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: this the general history of far Less, so we'll dive
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  Speaker 1: into all that before we do. Though. How are you
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  Speaker 1: guys doing? How you doing, Brandon, Jordan and Joseph Great good?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well I'm doing well.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you nice, and how are you? It's what's that?
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing great. It's been a nice little day. I
• 1:32
  Speaker 1: live in Saint Paul, Minnesota, so it's been you know
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: a little a little balmy, a little warm these days?
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: Is balm warm? Is that? Am I using that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Correctly?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think balmy is probably humid maybe, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's certain Yeah, it's certainly been that then, and I
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: would imagine all of you North Carolinians it's certainly very balmy.
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  Speaker 5: Bro it's been gross. It's been gross here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been nasty.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it rained today earlier and then it was hot,
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  Speaker 4: so you know how that goes.
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  Speaker 1: Are any of you like near the coast where you
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: can at least like jump into a large body of water.
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  Speaker 4: We aren't, but the current second guitar other guitar player
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  Speaker 4: and far Less, Brandon Hackler, does live with the coast,
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, we go down and hang out with him
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  Speaker 4: as often as we can.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if I were in the South, especially
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  Speaker 1: in the summer, I'm getting to the coast as much
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  Speaker 1: as possible and jumping in that damn oce. So cool. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's chat about far Less again. I definitely want to
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: deep dive around the Everyone album, but he'd love to
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  Speaker 1: just kind of hear general like history, like how the
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  Speaker 1: band started. Love to Yeah, I don't know if you
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  Speaker 1: have a good origin story, but love to just hear
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  Speaker 1: how the band started.
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  Speaker 5: That's Jordan.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So Joseph and I were in a group
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  Speaker 4: called Esoteric. We were playing out a lot of gigs.
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  Speaker 4: We were teenagers, as young young adults, yeah, high school,
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  Speaker 4: right out of high school. And I remember having gone
• 2:51
  Speaker 4: to a Battle of the Bands, I think, and I
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  Speaker 4: saw brand and perform at it and you, I think, Brandon,
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  Speaker 4: that could be wrong, but or maybe it was a
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  Speaker 4: show you were either with Downcast Purity at the time.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was Downcast.
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  Speaker 5: Where was it.
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  Speaker 4: With with Phille high school? I think?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, no, it was Downcast.
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  Speaker 4: George with George with because for for certain remember you
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  Speaker 4: and get In and Josh and all those guys. So
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  Speaker 4: I was impressed with Brandon and you started coming around
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  Speaker 4: and hanging out sometimes with us at shows, and we
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  Speaker 4: started playing shows together with Brandon's band Purity. Esoteric just
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  Speaker 4: sort of organically stopped and Joseph and I, along with Ray,
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  Speaker 4: who was the drummer of far Lest for many years,
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  Speaker 4: and and a man named Jake started what do we
• 3:34
  Speaker 4: call it? Super Team? First, I guess we did well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was funny because we were like we were
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  Speaker 2: searching for a band name, and because we started coming
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  Speaker 2: together as different members of different bands, like you Gotta.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're a member Maation. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think you're in our age in our age bracket.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little younger baby. But but in that I
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  Speaker 1: feel like my music taste though, is is in the
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  Speaker 1: same in the same kind of.
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  Speaker 2: In the in the late nineties early two thousand and
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  Speaker 2: it's like local bands and the whole like the the
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  Speaker 2: the the scene around local bands was the thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: It was. It built communities. It was especially in small
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  Speaker 2: town America. It was, it was, it was. It's becoming
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  Speaker 2: that now again I've seen it. I've seen it now
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  Speaker 2: with this new crop of younger musicians. Anyway, we were
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  Speaker 2: in these small bands, but we were doing regional, regional
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  Speaker 2: tours every you know, every weekend, some summer stuff. And
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  Speaker 2: and some friend of the band started calling us super
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  Speaker 2: Team because we were just like members of different bands
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  Speaker 2: that came together. And then I'm not sure it was
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  Speaker 2: never our name. It was kind of it was kind
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  Speaker 2: of a joke that we didn't hate. It was fun.
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  Speaker 2: But very quickly it switched to the name far Less,
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  Speaker 2: which is another story unto itself.
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  Speaker 1: But was it supposed to be like self effacne or something?
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  Speaker 1: Because everybody was calling you the super.
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  Speaker 2: Team interesting, it was a reaction to that. We also
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  Speaker 2: had to have have a close friend whose last name
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  Speaker 2: was far Less. If they are Lass and I think
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: sometimes we will call him far Less. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know who came up with a name.
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  Speaker 4: I think I remember either, really really, I can't remember that.
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  Speaker 4: But we did carry on. I sang for we did
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  Speaker 4: an EP? Did I sing on one or two? I
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  Speaker 4: sang on a couple of things one EP and then
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  Speaker 4: Brandon came so we asked Brandon to join the group.
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  Speaker 4: I was playing guitar. Was a giant fan of Brandon
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  Speaker 4: and his other band. And I can't remember if Purity
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  Speaker 4: Purity disbanded, I guess right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because Gideon had like joined the military. Remember
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  Speaker 3: I was getting ready, I was getting ready to go
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  Speaker 3: audition for Many Boy.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, you were they were great. Medi
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  Speaker 4: Void was another band. From Asheville, North Carolina, and they
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  Speaker 4: were really badass. They were great, and we all liked
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  Speaker 4: him a bunch, but we kind of, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I guess, for lack of better terms, poached you away
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  Speaker 4: from heading that direction.
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  Speaker 3: I remember talking to you over am about the band.
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  Speaker 3: You remember, you remember, dude.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it was just it was a no brainer, man.
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  Speaker 5: It was well jointed, far.
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  Speaker 4: Less and that was that was that we started playing.
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  Speaker 4: Almost immediately, Brandon came into the fold, maybe sang on
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  Speaker 4: a few things that I had written, but we started
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  Speaker 4: writing songs like right off the bat, and it was
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  Speaker 4: immediate chemistry. I will say that we.
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  Speaker 1: All like still in high school at this time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll kind of take that. So a couple of
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  Speaker 2: us were still in high school. I think Brandon, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Brandon was still in high school. I was Ray. Ray
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: was a year younger. Jordan had just graduated, was in
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: close by in college, and through the transition of of
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: like the writing the first full length Broken Hearts Unite,
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  Speaker 2: that's when we were graduating and we all kind of
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  Speaker 2: relocated from our small towns to a bigger small town
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  Speaker 2: close by where a college is in Virginia called Blacksburg.
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  Speaker 2: That's where Virginia Tech is. So we kind of relocated
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  Speaker 2: there in around two thousand and two. Is that the
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  Speaker 2: year Broken Hearts Unit. It came out right in three
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  Speaker 2: so probably three. So we're just like playing as many
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  Speaker 2: shows as we can. We came like, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: regional name, doing long weekends, trying you know, just going
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  Speaker 2: up to DC, down to Atlanta, plan just plants, just
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  Speaker 2: it was. It was. It was our life. It was
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  Speaker 2: like work school. Every other minute was was you know
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  Speaker 2: the band, as you know from every other band you've
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  Speaker 2: liked or interviewed over the years. That's what we did.
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  Speaker 2: And in hopes that it would be enough, be enough
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  Speaker 2: to take a break from school, or be enough to
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  Speaker 2: quit your job or whatever it was. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: obviously we'll talk about that. But yeah, so we we
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  Speaker 2: landed in this rhythm. We're writing really good song, people
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  Speaker 2: are liking, people liking the songs, they're responding to them.
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  Speaker 2: We're playing, you know, shows are getting bigger, We're playing
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  Speaker 2: with the bands we want to play with in the region.
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  Speaker 3: And then.
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  Speaker 2: Around that time, I'm not I don't remember exactly how
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  Speaker 2: we met Scott Harkey, but he's he founded Silent Uproar
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  Speaker 2: Records in Charlotte, and we had a great relationship with him.
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  Speaker 2: He put out our first full length, which then he
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  Speaker 2: helped support us as a band for several years while
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: we worked on new material. He actually handed handed our
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  Speaker 2: full length to our A and R. John Fraser at
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  Speaker 2: Tooth and Oel Records. He handed it to him and
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: the next record we do with Tooth Andnel. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so that's like the compressed transit transition from kind of
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  Speaker 2: high school to college. So we all kind of did
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  Speaker 2: the first couple of years of college as the band,
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  Speaker 2: doing regional and summer stuff to the point that we
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  Speaker 2: that we signed to Tooth and Noel and that was
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: kind of like, Okay, Tom, we can we can pause this.
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  Speaker 2: We can justify the hard conversation with our parents and
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: take a break from college to go on tour.
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  Speaker 1: Which I'm sure is the conversation every parent really, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'd love to hear like for you guys, like you
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  Speaker 1: know a lot of a lot of bands that I've interviewed,
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  Speaker 1: interestingly enough that were on Tooth and Nail and maybe
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: more bands that maybe got signed later on after you guys,
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  Speaker 1: but but even some that had signed Duram or even
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  Speaker 1: before you guys's time on Tooth and Nail, many of
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  Speaker 1: them had grown up with Tooth and Nail. Was that
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  Speaker 1: like a scene that you guys had grown up with
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  Speaker 1: at all, or were you aware of like the Tooth
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  Speaker 1: and Nail scene or was that something you cared about
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  Speaker 1: not cared about. I had no idea. I'm just curious,
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  Speaker 1: like you're familiarity, familiarity with the record label.
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  Speaker 4: It's an awesome question. We I was not really no,
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  Speaker 4: was neither Joseph and I did grow up in church
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  Speaker 4: and I think that maybe at some point as a teenager,
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  Speaker 4: I heard MxPx, probably and probably just I don't even
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  Speaker 4: know if it was through that, maybe because they had
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  Speaker 4: a song on the radio or something. The first Tooth
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  Speaker 4: and Nail band that I think that I remember listening
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  Speaker 4: to and thinking, this band's great. I think that we
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  Speaker 4: could go in this direction if we're in pursuing record
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  Speaker 4: labels was May That was That was probably the band,
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  Speaker 4: And coincidentally we ended up signing with the same A
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  Speaker 4: and R as May Child Frazier.
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  Speaker 1: But but yeah, they're a Virginia band too, So they.
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  Speaker 4: Are, but but that I don't know. Brandon or Joseph
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  Speaker 4: may be able to chime in differently than that. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't really know a lot about Tooth and Nail before
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  Speaker 4: starting thinking about getting signed to a record label.
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, dude, I was so into like what was
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  Speaker 3: on the radio and MTV at the time, Like way
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  Speaker 3: into Marilyn Manson Corn Sound Garden, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: Like that, that was what I was.
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  Speaker 4: Into the top three.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, as a matter of fact, don't spoil it, but.
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  Speaker 3: When we were kind of approached by Tooth and Nail,
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  Speaker 3: that's when I started my like dive into the Tooth
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  Speaker 3: and Nail bands.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and we found some great ones.
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  Speaker 3: Man, embody one of them Living Sacrifice, Living Sacrifice.
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  Speaker 2: I mean me without You, Me without You as the
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  Speaker 2: top five. So so it's, by the way, this is
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  Speaker 2: hard for us to like remember on the fly because
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  Speaker 2: this was twenty years ago, but right there at that
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: time when we knew we were starting to get interest
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  Speaker 2: from managers and record labels, and we knew we we
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: you know, the internet did exist back then, so we
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  Speaker 2: could go we could go to Equal Vision's website, we
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: could go to Tooth Nails, and we start to see,
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  Speaker 2: we see that Me Without You is on Tooth and Nol.
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  Speaker 2: We we know that they're coming through. We like their band.
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  Speaker 2: We knew the rise of under Oath and of course
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  Speaker 2: solid State gene, and we just started seeing this was
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  Speaker 2: right when Beloved was putting out Failure on and doing
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  Speaker 2: the Solid State tours and the work, all this stuff
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  Speaker 2: with normal gene. So we were getting a good vibe
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  Speaker 2: from that Directionally, like Jordan grew up, we grew up
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  Speaker 2: in the church, grew up in Christian market stuff like
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: like I'm talking like Forefront records like DC Talk and
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  Speaker 2: Audio Adrenaline, not the CUSP kind of transition stuff as much,
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  Speaker 2: but we saw that as as like, well, this is
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  Speaker 2: a means to have to put to forger path and
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  Speaker 2: like the positive side of things like that was we
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: felt great and it just happened so quickly. It was
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  Speaker 2: just like before we knew it. We were talking to
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  Speaker 2: talking to Frasier and he liked the he liked Broken
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  Speaker 2: Hearts Unite. We started demoing new songs and and I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, so it's a lot to it, it's a
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  Speaker 2: lot to remember, but it seemed to happen. It felt
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  Speaker 2: organic at the time, before we knew it.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know you said that you both had
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  Speaker 1: grown up in the church. Like I'm curious and that
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  Speaker 1: this is not a were you guys a Christian band question,
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  Speaker 1: but like, what was your relationship to the fact that,
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  Speaker 1: like so many bands on the label were Christian bands? Like,
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  Speaker 1: did that factor into the decision on it, like or
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  Speaker 1: was it sort of like, yeah, we'll sign, but that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of a thing that makes it. That's like maybe
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  Speaker 1: the downside of signing signing to Tooth and Nail. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like what your relationship to that sort
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  Speaker 1: of stereotype of Tooth and Nail was.
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  Speaker 4: We probably have three distinctively different answers.
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  Speaker 3: But Brandon, I just wanted I just wanted to tour
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  Speaker 3: with my band, man, you know what I mean. So
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  Speaker 3: it didn't really I didn't think about it until we
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  Speaker 3: got started getting thrown into answering questions about it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we didn't have a manager. We didn't have a
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  Speaker 4: manager at that point Tom and Tom yet soliciting or
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  Speaker 4: going to bat for us. Really, we developed a relationship
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  Speaker 4: with John pretty quickly, and I don't think we had
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  Speaker 4: a lot of other options realistically. We had met with
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  Speaker 4: a couple of other people and pursued a handful of
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  Speaker 4: other things, but it was kind of the first thing
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  Speaker 4: that was kind of a bigger thing that came our way,
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  Speaker 4: and for me, that was immediately attractive. We were looking
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  Speaker 4: around and seeing all these bands on this record label
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  Speaker 4: with what it looked to me to be immense success.
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  Speaker 4: You know, super was super hot, it was very hot
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  Speaker 4: under oath Amberlyn May you know Beloved who were kind
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  Speaker 4: of near us without you. Yeah, all those bands were
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  Speaker 4: doing very well. So from my perspective, I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: do that badly, like really badly. I wanted to get
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  Speaker 4: some tooth and now a lot, you know, so thought
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  Speaker 4: about it all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And and it is something we could do an
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  Speaker 2: entire podcast episode just about the Christian market thing, which
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  Speaker 2: I know you have had that discussion with other bands,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure through your interviews, And it was it was
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  Speaker 2: always this, it was it was always something we dealt
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  Speaker 2: with because we definitely weren't a Christian band. We were
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  Speaker 2: a group of good dudes that wanted to be good
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  Speaker 2: and do good and we didn't really care that. We
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to have you know, negative lyrics or anything
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  Speaker 2: necessarily cursing or anything like that so were we were
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  Speaker 2: fine with it. Then we would go on tour with
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  Speaker 2: other Tooth Andnail bands and and and it wasn't a
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  Speaker 2: purely Christian market tour. It wasn't only in churches, but
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  Speaker 2: some shows would be in the youth room of the
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  Speaker 2: church or or whatever it was. But the tricky thing
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  Speaker 2: was sometimes that the fan, the kid the kids of
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  Speaker 2: the shows would have an expectation that we were because
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  Speaker 2: we were on Tooth Andnail. So, I mean, I remember
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  Speaker 2: being asked, well, why didn't you pray pray on stage
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  Speaker 2: before you played? Like that's well, that's not what we do.
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  Speaker 4: But show Brad did you know? Show Brad did do? That?
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  Speaker 4: Was like there were other bands that we were on
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  Speaker 4: tour with, like Joseph Menchen that we're doing that. So
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  Speaker 4: I think at times it might may have also been
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  Speaker 4: confusing for the people who were listening to us too,
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  Speaker 4: thinking there might be some other message to what Brandon
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: was trying to say, which oftentimes was I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: I'll let you speak on your lyrics, but yeah, not
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  Speaker 4: necessarily that, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, no, I mean lyrically. I mean there are
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  Speaker 3: a few times here and there that I would pull
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  Speaker 3: biblical reference because I thought it's very relatable to people
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: easier to understand or whatever. But our lyrics are very introspective, man,
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: Like very introspective, like I'm talking, I'm seeing about me
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  Speaker 3: or I'm seeing about what I'm seeing or what we're
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  Speaker 3: dealing with is as friends and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone is out to get us in particular, I think
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  Speaker 4: was a lot of that stuff. Oh yeah, I'm with.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and everyone is out to get us.
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  Speaker 5: I mean it is.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: It's it's a loose concept record about a band touring
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  Speaker 3: during like the apocalypse basically, and then there's like a
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: kind of side story. It's like I was getting super
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: into conspiracies and way into cartoons and things like that,
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  Speaker 3: so I just meshed all of it together.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm I've always found that relationship that
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: bands had to that like kind of Christian stereotype of
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: tooth and nail. And what's interesting is it almost seems
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: like the label set its bands like set up the
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: bands poorly, because while the label was really trying to
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: clearly like was getting into like Christian bookstores and stuff, like,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: they clearly were marketing their bands and the label as
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: a Christian label, where behind the scenes, though it seemed
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: like that actually truly mattered less Like I guarantee you,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: like Brandon Ebel was not trying to like sift through
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: to see whether or not, okay, are each of the
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: band members Christians? Or are they going to pray on stage?
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: He clearly was not doing that, But then was sort
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: of marketing in a way where maybe the clearly the
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: fans were having the expectation that that would be kind
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: of the case. So it's kind of interesting where like
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: the even the label's relationship to it was probably different
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: than what maybe the what what it was trying to
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: do in terms of a marketing get it strategy.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Joseph, Sorry, well a nugget here is insight you may
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: have or may not. But tooth Andel was distributed through
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: e AM I Christian right right, so right would it
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: would default just hit the Christian section, you know, shout out,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: shout out Derek tin Bush.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Derek.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: We absolutely love Derek. He's the he was the tooth
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: and note em I guy for I don't know how long.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Haship Derek's best. It's also of note, I think just
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: kind of a little side thing on all this, but
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: two of the bands that I think were kind of
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: influential on helping us get signed or have conversations with
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: the record label where he is Legend in Haste to
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: Day and on one side of that, but we were
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: friends with both bands. We had played some gigs with
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: he his Legend and maybe once once or twice with
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Haste to Day, but he is Legend were kind of
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: in that same boat as us, where it was not,
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: uh you know, we were not a Christian band and
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: Haste to Day were on the other side of that
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: coin and they were very actively a Christian band. But
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: you know, when Jimmy was helping us, I don't think
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: he thought about that at all. You know, he was
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: just kind of like, these guys are cool. I like
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: the guys. He liked us, yeah, and put in a
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: good word. You know.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: B EC Recordings was it was or is their specific
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Christian market division, right, and that's what that's what Brandon
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: wanted was to have have tooth and now in solid
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: state b a secular market landscape for maybe bands that
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: were or weren't you know. But but I guess I
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: don't think we never got like a rule book from them.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think, right, No, John, we had conversations. But
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: if but if we did put out a record that
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: had like we tried to put out a record with
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Tooth and Now and it had a bunch of F bombs,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: they would may have said have said something, right, I don't,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: but we didn't do that. That's not how it were.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, I don't know, and I'm not
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: familiar enough with the new uh you know crop of
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: tooth and Nail bands, but I'm not sure that a
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: band on Tooth and Nail has used profanity on an album.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I was just about to say, I'm like, I'm
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: sure maybe there's like one album that maybe have like that.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: What was it, like an E or whatever for explicit
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: on those albums, Like, I'm sure there's maybe one out there,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: but I'm curious when that would have been the like
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: when the first time a Tooth and Nail band would.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Have couldn't even imagine them putting out an explicit record, yea.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: I can't, Like I think somebody might have said the
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: D word or something like, yeah, like Tooth.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And Nail or mean without You does have like an
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: F bomb on Taiale Horses, but that was after they
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: were after that was post Tooth and Nails, So yeah,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know, great record, by the way, Yeah, certainly
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: it's my favorite. So well, okay, so obviously you guys
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: had a few EPs, and then you have Brokenheart's Unite,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and then I mentioned this before we started recording. Then
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: you guys do have your first official release on Tooth
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: and Nail, which is the Turn to the Bright EP,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: which I was just telling you guys before you jumped
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: on is my favorite EP of all times. Like in
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: terms of EPs, which you know, I don't. I don't
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: know how large you know of a category that is
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: for a lot of bands, but in terms of EPs,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: it's absolutely incredible. It's such a good EP top to bottom.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: It feels it feels cohesive like an album, Like it
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: feels like, you know, obviously there's the intro, there's the outro,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: which kind of feels like it's kind of it's like
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: bookending the out the the EP, and then obviously the
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: songs in the middle. I just think the whole thing
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: is just absolutely incredible. Still my favorite EP of all time.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if you have any fun stories
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: about that time. Obviously, again, I really want to dive
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: into the Everyone album but yeah, love to love to
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: hear a little bit more about Turn to the Bright.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: That is the first time I ever heard that that
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: sentence before. Yeah, me toop is somebody's favorite DP, but
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: thank you so much. That means a lot to hear that.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: One thing we did as a band from that moment on, man,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: is like we we wanted everything we put out to
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: be cohesive and to sound like one like one art.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: It was a conversation we had quite often. It was
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: so so when we make a record and dig into
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: it or whatever it and not to get super techy
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: about it, but I'm using the same guitar and the
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: same amplifier with very minimal effects, pedals or anything at
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: that point in time, you know, for that whole entire album,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: and and every song had no I'm not deviating from
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: that sound very much at all. And then Mark Carson
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: on the other end, who is the other guitarist on
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: that Mark is playing heavily affected stuff and kind of
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: throughout the you know, Joseph has the same bass sound,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Brandon saying on the same you know, it was all
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: like constructed to sound sonically very similar from the beginning
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: to the end. Since then, we've all made records probably
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: that you go into and I'm like, I want this
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: song to be this thing, and you play like whatever
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: else what a bunch of different guitars on it, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: then the next song has a completely different outlook. But
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: for that it was intentionally kind of the same thing,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: and I think that made it very cohesive sounding too.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Well, not to forget Brandon. I know, Brandon and I
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: talked about it a lot, like the idea that the
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: songs flow, the way the songs flowed between each other transition,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: but the way one song, you know term some I
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: think it's before the Mountain song, there's a hard stop
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: and you know, there's some really thoughtful things, and people
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: don't talk about it as much as as I thought
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: they was, So thank you Mason. That's something that Brandon
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: that we knew going in that was going to be.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: So basically what happened was we were signing to tooth
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: and now they had already told us about the young
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Bloods of Solid State Tour. We had written new songs,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: but we did not have time to finish a full length, right,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: So that's where the conversation turned. Well, we could go
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: ahead and put out an EP and have that spin
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: up to your first full length and at the time
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: in this in this kind of like transition, you know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: we're leaving school, but we're playing as many shows as
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: we can. We had relationships with a lot of big
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: regional bands, so we would go to Winston Salem and
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: play with Swift. They're one of the they're one of
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: the biggest regional bands, like of all time. Drummer Jamie
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: King is the major producer now, so he's amazing. So
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: we've all recorded with him a dozen times and still do.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: He's just a friend, friend of the friend of the band,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: so we would play with his band. Seriously. One of
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the some of the best shows I've ever seen have
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: been Swift shows.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: They're amazing show.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: And then we would play with Swift. We would go
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: to Atlanta and play with this band Minus Driver. We'll
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: talk more about that later Minus Driver formerly Minus but
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: then Minus Driver. By the time they put out there
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: EP on Universal.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: That's my favorite. That's my favorite.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, probably too.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: We were we were twenty twenty one years old, doing
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: long weekend to Atlanta and going to Florida and playing
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: with School for Heroes, major label band, great friends, great band,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: hand to hand. I mean, how many other amazing bands
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: do we play with in Florida? Orlando became a spot
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: for us. So all I have to say is Lee
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: March from Minus Driver, the bassist of Minus Driver, he
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: did he recorded demos for us, uh, three or four
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: demos at his house in Atlanta. That we then flipped
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: pretty quickly into recording the EP with Jamie. Which songs
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: do we do? We did Georgia Anyway, two or three demo. Yeah,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: So we did the EP with Jamie and then we
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: just effectively had it. I think it got shipped to
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: one of the tour dates for the Young Bluzz of
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Saw State tour and it became, you know, something to
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: sell and build a little momentum for the band.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really quick though. Deciding to do it
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: was a fast decision. They didn't I remember, and and
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Tooth and Nail later on did spend a fair amount
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: of money to make albums with us, But at that
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: point I remember being really small amounts, like can you
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: do this for for one thousand dollars or something like that.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: It was I mean, I don't want to misspeak. Maybe
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: it wasn't that long, but it was not a normal
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: album budget by any.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Means, right, and I do, And maybe this is getting
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: ahead of ourselves, but I do remember like the first
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: time I ever listened to everyone album, and I was
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: so excited for it because I loved to Turn the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Bright so much. Maybe the first thing I noticed was
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: a higher production quality. I remember, just like even as
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: a kid. You know, I was pretty young when that
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: album came out, probably like twelve years old maybe, but
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I just remember like thinking like and you know, I
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: had no sense of like music production or anything at
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: that age, but I do remember hearing that and like
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, this just sounds like more produced. Like
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how, you know, what kind of
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: words I would have used at that time, but but
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: but I love the rawness. And maybe it was just
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: because of the lower budget that you had, but that
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: sort of rawness to Turn to the Bright that actually
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I think makes it shine through even Yeah, thank you.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I released a remaster Turned to the Break.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah we do, Jamie. Yeah that's right, Jamie did do that. Yeah,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: we had a limited amount of time and a limited
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: amount and yeah, and and uh, Jamie's wonderful, but at
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: that point in time, uh, going from Jamie's studio and
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: to where we ended up recording Everyone is out to
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: get us was like a huge jump and equipment, like
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: you got there. There was a giant Neve desk right
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: there in the basement and like you know, every microphone
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: possible at your disposal, with like you know, just tons
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: about board gear and Jamie's studio at that point in
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Tom was you know, much more stripped down exactly. Yeah,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: and well and then.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: And then a budget to support six weeks of mixing,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: like like the things that add up. And Lee March
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: is a bass player, so the couple extra DB's of
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: bass and everyone get.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It. Well, thanks for for chatting about the ep I
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: just again, I just think it's just the best. It's
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: so good, So.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: I will mention over time, I will mention remember to
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: finish it up. We hold up in that cabin Hen's.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Parents and we and we tried. We I think Brandon
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: came over there and we he got it set up,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: and I think we might have demoed Mountain Song out
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: there too, but we definitely wrote that one.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: We wrote Mountain Song.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Shout out John and Liz Cason.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: For is that? Where is that? Where the album cover
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: comes from? Was just a nice little morning.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: If I could quickly tell this story. The album cover
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: they sent like, it's it's crazy because those dudes, the
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Eye creature.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Dudes are like insane geniuses.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: But but for whatever reason, we already had the vision
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: of like kind of what we wanted, and so the
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: original cover they sent us it looked like, I don't know,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: like stained or something right, Like it was just a
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: guy in a basement with like hanging light bulbs. And
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I look and I remember looking at it being like,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: this is not it. I was like just I was like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: please just take pictures of mountains and put our name
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: on it and like, and then they gave us this
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: awesome album art.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: It looks because, by the way, a reflection of a
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: hood of a car. By the way, so cool?
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Oh is that why? It kind of it looks like
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: it's just like a really dewy, misty morning, but they're
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: saying that it's.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: A reflection of a car hood.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: Like much as I loved corn Man, much as I
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: loved corn Like.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: That was not my last anecdote, Yeah, My last anecdote
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: for that for the EP is when when Young Bloods
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: of Saui State, which is kind of The next thing
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: probably won't talk about is because we signed and we
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: did this kind of cool tour. It was our first
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: national tour. They put out a Young Bloods or a
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Solid State sampler or or it was Young Bloods or
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Saul State sampler, and you know, one song we had it.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: We picked one of the songs from Turn to the Bride.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Was it was it Georgia.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: It was, But it doesn't matter because on on the
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: on on that release, they flipped our song and as
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Cities Burn song, so it says far less scorched Earth policy.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: But it's okay.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: Cities Burn has.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: So many fans.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: That's not that for the next pressing or something.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: But I knew there was a reason why you guys sucked.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Cities Burn the whole entire to a.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: New album coming out, I'm super excited about.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: It's like that, It's like those stories of like babies
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: in the the baby area that get like switched around
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and yeah, years later, especially birth, well let's talk about that.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Everyone is out to get this album. So obviously, you know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: technically it already had a full length, but you never
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: had like a full length on Tooth and Nail and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: so love to just hear like what the experience was
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: like to write record ward the everyone is out to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: get this album?
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Great question.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't really know where to start. I think
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: that we were writing still at my mom and dad's
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: where we or we were out or I can't remember
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: in that place in PEELASKI that warehouse.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: Maybe I remember being at your mom and dad's. I mean, because.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: We got in the middle of writing it and like,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: like an idiot, I moved to Wilmington, right, I moved
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: like four hours the band.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: I know what you were gonna say, so dumb, I
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: forget about it.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: So I was coming in on the weekends every other
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: weekend or so to jym with and were you.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Came in a lot, you came in a lot, And
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: so we were. We were all kind of living together.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Ray was living in Abbington. Mark was probably living with
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: us at my mom and dad's or something, and we
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: were just getting up as often as we possibly could,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: knowing that we had a full length record for a
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: record label to deliver, and my parents were like going
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: to work, and we would just get up and whatever work,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: whatever odd jobs we had, and get together every single
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: evening and play and right and you know it was exciting.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: I will say it was very exciting Ray. To give
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Ray as much credit as I can, was always very
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: brandon to you. Guys were both very progressive minded musicians.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: You kind of wanted to push the envelope probably further
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: than I was, you know, even thinking that we would
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: do by writing more interesting stuff, more rhythmic stuff, which
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: I think we explored a lot on that more than
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: any other thing. Heavier. Yeah, and then so just wood
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: shedding in a room with Ray, and that was with
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Mark and Ray, and Mark was out in left field
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: playing completely different stuff than me on the guitar. I think, Joseph,
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: that is probably where you were shining the most at that.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: You know, all a lot of really great basslines in
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: that album.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: So shout out shout out to Tony and many for
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: so supportive.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, your mom and dad too, man, everybody's parents were
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: very supportive. We should say that we have.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Just yeah, a quick note timeline wise, this is like
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the that tour I mentioned the Young Bluzz of Sau stage,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: which I'm sure you've talked to people about that tour,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: maybe went to it when you were in middle school,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: but it was it was headlined by the Chariot. It
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: was the first national tour the Chariot did after he left,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: After Josh left, Normal Jane and direct support was He
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Is Legend, Show Bred Switching and then US and as said,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: He's Burned Switching opening spot. So yeah, for that that
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: thirty shows that that people made it to the but
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: they were almost all sold out. I mean they probably
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: were all sold out. It was small to mid size,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: you know, three hundred to six hundred cap places.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: And just like legend after Legend after Legend, like it
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: was just like we're all.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Just yeah, well and this was the first it was
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: the first full US tour that He Is Legend did
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: that we did as He's Burned did. Technically the Chariot
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: show Bred had done a few you know.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Future were probably the most experienced of the group as
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: far as.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: The Josh was obviously Josh. So anyway, so that anyway,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: that was hype. That was like the best tour was
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: some of the best shows we've ever done.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: We watched huge.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw like while we were all happen, Yeah,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: He Is Legend released I'm Hollywood. While we were on tour.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: We saw people.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Go from not knowing who they were to coming to
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: see them.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we were playing games with legends in arcades where
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: nobody knew who they were, and then all of a sudden,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: there's you know, a thousand people screaming all the words
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: that I'm Hollywood.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we come home believe the tour, uh, kind
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: of reconciling the fact that that So when we signed
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: a Tooth Andnel we were we were initially going to
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: sign as one of the very few Tooth and Nel
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: slash Solid State releases. They did that with Under Oath
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: throw Only Chasing Safety. They wanted to start this paradigm
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: of like in the middle. It didn't happen with us,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: and I don't think it really panned out anyway, but
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: like we but they put us on the young Bloods
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: of Saalis State tour. We started having success in that
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: slightly heavier kind of vein of things. So we come
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: back knowing that, oh, yeah, we could easily We're gonna
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: We're gonna release this and jump back on tour with
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: his Legend or as said, He's Burn or you know
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: the other bands we've met along the way, there are heavier.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know that that didn't I'm not saying that
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: directly influenced anything, but we were at those shows with
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: building a fan base. This was like MySpace ere we
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: were building this fan base that was more distorted and heavier,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: but we always knew it was everything we did was
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: rooted in in in what far less was about, which
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: is which was melody. So no matter if it's a
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: heavy song with a crazy riff or screaming, it all comes.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: It all came back around to really compelling chorus and
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: just general songwriting that we hope that transit, you know,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: transcended the genre a little bit. Uh, no idea where
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I was born with that or what the point was,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: but that that brought us to, you know, to everyone
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: is out to get us. It was like this. It
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: was kind of the new, the the new, more full
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: kind of approach to the song, to the songwriting process
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: and knowing we're the the label is helping invest a
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: little more money into what could become this sonic the
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: goal that we were setting because we were all music.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: You know, we're musicians, but we're fans of music. So
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: like I've learned more about other bands like that. That's
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: we're like major fanboys for the bands we grew up on.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: And the bands were friends with, like ultimately, like we
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: would go to see all these bands play shows, whether
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: we were on tour them or not, like they were
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the things we were into.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: And maybe you're implying this around everyone is out to
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: get us, But you know, like I said before, one
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: of the things I noticed right away about Turning to
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the Bright to everyone is out to get us, is
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: that everyone is out to get us. Obviously sound like
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: it just the production quality sounds better, but also maybe
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: not in the entirety of the album, but there does
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: seem like more songwriting refinement. I don't know if that's
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: the best way to describe it. Maybe I don't know
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: if you all would have thought about it that way,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: but that's what I But the singles, especially the singles,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: feel like there's more refinement in comparison to Turn Turn
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: to the Right.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: We worked, we were mature, We were maturing as songwriters. Definitely,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: when you were putting that much effort into it, in time,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: you get better. We weren't. We weren't. We were never
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: super aware of trying to do to do a certain
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: thing like refine our songwriting or make something a little
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: bit more you know, radio friendly or anything like that,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: But I will say we did. It's not that we
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: didn't have those conversations when we had management and we
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: were with the label that each record, each record we
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: might try to have a song or two that was
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: a little more accessible.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Well, and that's when we had man. We started getting
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: management around that time, and we had a producer, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: I think that made a big not that Jamie. Jamie
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: didn't really produce it as much as Lee Lee March
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: produced it. More we spent more time talking about the songs.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: We did some more demos of him, you know, I
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: think he spent more time influencing it to some degree.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, m hm, I'd love to hear.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: So.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Obviously the album comes out, I think it's it's great,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: and I think, if I remember right, it was pretty
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: highly reviewed by a number of publications. And then it
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: does feel like as much as there was so much hype,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: at least for me coming into this album, it maybe
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, again, maybe you guys wouldn't describe it
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: this way, but it does feel like maybe it fizzled,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: like some of the energy fizzled. And obviously, about a
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: year and a half later, you have the Twisted Bad
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: taste that comes out and then I think it's not
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: that much longer after that you guys break up or
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it would have described it as
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: a hiatus at that time, but yeah, just it just
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: kind of seemed like, you know, especially given like a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: lot of the other bands that you were on tours with,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: especially the Young Bloods tour, it seemed like, okay, like
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: you're in prime like you're in the prime time to
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: like for this to really take off and ride that
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: wave and then just kind of didn't happen for you guys,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: like unfortunately. Like and I'm speaking of that as like
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: a fan, like I'm not critical or anything, but it's
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: just like I was hoping that you guys would be
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: able to have that kind of level of success that
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: some of your peers were having. And I'm just curious
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: like thoughts around all of that, Like I would imagine
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: you guys maybe experience it similarly to that.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: Can I jump in there?
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I think we struggled to gain traction. It's like,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: not that I'm not super grateful for the tours that
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: we got, like we did that ten Years tour was
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: it was awesome, right, Like we got exposed to like
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: more of a radio rock like heavy. But then we
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: did that tooth and Nail tour, which was cool because
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: we made a bunch of buds, but we were the
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: heaviest band by far on that. Yeah, like we stuck out,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: so like, I don't know, in retrospect, I feel like
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: we would have maybe hit a little bit harder had
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: we were touring with like Freaking under Oath or something.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Like that, right right, you know what I mean. It's
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: just not what happened. Yeah, And then we lost Ray and.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: So we had we had to go in a different
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: direction because we didn't have we weren't playing around those
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: crazy drums, you know, we were writing songs now.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that's to be mentioned that
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: the changing drummers, Yeah for sure. But Ray, Yeah, Ray
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: was monstrous during that album. I gotta give the guy
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: credit for playing, you know, some of the most insane
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: cool drums I've heard really on anything, and it was
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: hard to play too.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's literally like it's crazy some of the stuff
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: that he's coming up with, like some of the craziest
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: time signatures, Like I often like think about, like, you know,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: listening back to the album now, It's like, I don't
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: know how you guys were singing and and like writing
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: guitar parts around this because some of the time signatures.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: Seem yeah, because of what they were listening to. Brandon
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: was listening to a bunch of Candaria. I'll let you
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: chime in there.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Ray and I were heavily, heavily into
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Canberry at that point in time. So like I was
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: just like, dude, I'll write over whatever, and and I
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: was confident enough to pull it off.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, dude, what a great record.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: So sick, dude, But like, uh is it is a
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: dialogue supervisor where it's like insane drums and a lead guitar.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: It makes no sense. We played that live. We played
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: that song live every night for the Toothel tour. It's amazing.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: It's insane.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, So I want to say this, Ray, two
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: of the best drummers I've ever played with are Ray
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Felts and Todd Turner. Like they're just they're so different, right,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: they could sit down on on two kids at the
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: same time and it'd be the coolest two drummers at
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: the same time. They're just so different. And saw that, Yeah,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: what happened was we had a tour booked right with
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Roses are Red and and a couple of other bands
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: like Blue Eyes, like Daniel Amazing. So Ray Ray left
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: the band and and and we just said, okay, we're
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: gonna just do the tour anyway. We just left. We
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: left the next day without a drummer and we got
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: to the first show. Did we do one acoustic show? Yeah, Mike,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: oh yeah. And then Mike from Roses of Red learned
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: five songs overnight and played drums for two shows. And
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: then we came through Greensboro and we had been talking
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: to Todd just in two days before. Uh, he quit,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: he was back and he was in college. He quit
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: and he joined the rest of the tour and has
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: been our It was our drummer. And then we finished that.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: By the way, that tour was really fun. It was
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: you know, every tour was good and bad and when whatever.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: But we got back from that tour after a pretty
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: short you know, that kind of concluded the album cycle
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: for everyone's out to get us, and we immediately started
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: right toast. It was like new drummer, new paradigm.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: It all, it all just like it seeps together for me, like,
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: it's hard for me to compartmentalize the time, dude, because
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: we were just riding and touring constantly.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: The synchronicity at that point though, I mean, I know
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: we've now moved away from everyone is out to get us,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: but we were like the way we were working together
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: was like we had never worked together like that so
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: well before. I mean, and it's been like that ever since.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Right we had that was that was something I was
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: gonna ask too, is like specifically with everyone is out
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: to get us? Like when you guys look back, because
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: it's been twenty years now, over twenty years now since
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: it came out, Like, how do you think about the album?
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Like what like stands out? Like what maybe it's like
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: the feeling you get from that album or an experience
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: from that album, but what's what is it from that
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: album that when you look back twenty years from now
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: or of twenty years ago, you were like, Wow, that's
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: that's what I remember the most about that album.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Every single time, every every single time I listened to
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: it because you know, it's a good album. So I
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: just revisited every few months and I'll listen to the
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: full thing every time I listen to it, there's something
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: new that stands out, or a new song that I'm like,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: holy cow, that's my favorite. Like it's really weird. It's
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: because if you get caught up in like the first
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: three songs, you know what this was Dialogue Supervisor, Well,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Jumping the Shark is probably always my favorite, but you know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: we kind of front loaded our album. Sometimes they got
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: diverse the more you listen. So if you make it
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: through the first half and start and you get into
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: you know, if you make it too too pretty or
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: or roswell, and you and you start to see how
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: actually dynamic the full album is. You know, last time
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I listened to it, I was like, the title track
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: is my favorite out song on the album, and I
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: had never thought favorite.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: It was so good favorite.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: And it was so funny, like the way it builds
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: in the way it builds in, it's so cool.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: That was a Lee March thing, wasn't it. Yeah, So anyway,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that answered tracks with what you
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: guys like. It's it's so fun to listen back and
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: just little nuggets of the instrumentation or whatever, but then
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: just kind of higher level. Just every time I listen
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: to it, I have a new favorite song, which is.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: That's very cool. I think about that. It's the album
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: that put us on MTV. Yeah that was you know.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I remember watching that on like YouTube at some point.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: That awesome. But yeah, through that record, I think.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: That record, we really stood it. We were like, we
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: put our foot down. We're like, we're different than all
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: the other bands that are around us. Man, we may
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: be heavy, you know a lot, but dude, nobody else
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: is like us. Nobody was writing roswell that is, nobody's
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: writing that kind of ship man, you know.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: M Yeah, yeah, too pretty to be a zombie. It
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: fits so well on that album. But it's but it
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: is very different than the rest of the album.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Sounds kind of like two different songs in a way.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Well, that's like, that's what I love about it is
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: And that's why I like when I show people and
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what, what are the Like, how many bands
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: are doing like a breakdown like you you have at
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the end of that song that is so freaking heavy
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: and then goes into this jazz number like it's just
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: like we did. Who's doing that? No one's doing that.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: It's like such a cool it's such a cool sound,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: and I think it really takes like a certain kind
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: of person to appreciate it, which is maybe there was
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: just something about what was happening at that time where
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: it was like a lot of people just couldn't have
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: appreciated it and the way they really do.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Right. But that's really it's a really great it's a
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: it's a great point and a through line really because
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: from the beginning of the band and even to now
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: with anything else, we're considering like we just want to
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: do what we like, and sometimes that translates to we
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: we don't, you know, even through that time, we had
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: such an opportunity to be a scene man in the scene,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: and we we didn't. We didn't It's not that we
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: really had we didn't have a band meeting about it,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: like we're not we don't want to be a scene band.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: But just when we would sit down to write songs,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: we would we would cut the organically do things that
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: were just a little bit off kilter. And what we
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: we got compared to his legend a lot because we
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: were friends with them and they, you know, we started
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: at the same time, or like.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: The singing screaming thing that Brandon does, but like as
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: one vocalist is pretty you know, somewhat.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: But there were certain things that we that that we
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: didn't lean into that we probably could have leaned into, right,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: but we didn't. And and back back to you kind
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: of your original question or comment about it fizzling out,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: like that's part of it is that is that we
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: would go and play the scene type shows and we
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: weren't We weren't necessarily appreciated the same way because we
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: didn't have have a breakdown in the right spot or
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: or you know where the right thing or whatever it
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: might be. But there were other bands doing this at
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: the time, like some that we didn't really cross paths
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: with too much that if we had hooked up with
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Follow Troy at the right time or yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: we didn't.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: We seem to sit just outside of the scene.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: We were always like we're always we were the bro
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: band to the scene bands, and we were the bro
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: bands to the new middle adjacent bands, you know. And
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: and still we're still great friends with all of them
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: there are, you know.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: And and we arguably toward the most of the dance
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: band and a classic rock band because we toured so
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: much with House of Fools and Pausing and Paulsing I
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: mean are a kind of a dance rock band, and
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: we played a million.
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: Cars Doghouse and.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Then House and Fools were like an epic kind of
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: guitar rock band that we were playing with. And we're
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: also both kind of outsiders to the scene, I feel
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: in some way. But we were also not listening, I think,
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: to a lot of the same music as our peers.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: Either it might be something of note, you know, Brandon
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: mentioned Candia. You know, we were still always listening to
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: a ton of Pumpkins and Sound Garden and bands like that,
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: and Brandon was always listening to a ton of hip hop.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Brandon and Ray we were listening to all kinds of
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: hip hop all the time, Exposed to Jurassic five and
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: all kinds of great bands like that De Press.
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: That's right, dude, that revolutionary, but Gangs the record, we
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: wore that out.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I've always been just so impressed by
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the diversity of sound that you guys are able to create.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: And yeah, again, it's it's one of those things where
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: it probably you know, maybe this is like the super
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: like hipster answer to it, but like it does kind
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: of feel like it just was maybe a little too
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: weird for most people. Yeah yeah, but for but for
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the people that it was really cool too, like they're
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: gonna be lifelong fans and that's yeah.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the people that liked it loved it. I mean,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: you don't I mean that the number. I mean, we're
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: not went on it. We're never a big band, but
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: there more, there are probably hundreds of far less tattoos,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: right the Broken Hearts Unite logo tons and then we
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: have so many friends that have even the Apple from Toast, Yeah,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: because yeah, that's kind of what it was sometimes like, Yeah,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: there there are some bands that I love and I
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: describe I tried to get friends into them, and I'm
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: like that sometimes my taste is a little bit like
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: music for musicians, or sometimes it's just the timing is
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: not right because they're on the bleeding edge. Not that
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: we were, but like some of the bands were influenced
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: by We love the Code seven guys, like there were
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: always just a step a step ahead was a phenomenal.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but all that say is that's what made
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: it made us who we are, and that's what you know.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: And I'm not sure that I would change anything because
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I liked doing the stuff that was even more technical
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: and a little harder for me as a musician to execute.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I'd like to I like to be pushing my boundaries
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: a little bit, you know. And there's there, there were,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: and there are a million different bands, you know, and
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: if you do want if you do one thing just
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit different kind of you, it makes it
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: worth it to me.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Right, totally, totally. Well, you know, obviously we're not going
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: to get into toasted bad taste right now. And maybe
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: maybe that's uh maybe, I mean, it'll be twenty years
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: next year. Maybe we can talk about it next to
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: But but love to hear like, what are you guys
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: up to now? You know, it does seem like there
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: may be a little bit more activity in the far
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: less camp. I'd love to just kind of hear, like,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: what are you guys up to now? Is there new
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: music that you're all writing you' all like thinking about? Uh,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: you know, especially you know, because you know, talking with
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of bands, especially bands that were super active
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: in the mid two thousands now kind of coming I mean,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen this where a lot of those
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: bands are kind of coming back together. The Internet makes
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: it much more easy to write music when you're maybe
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: a few hundred miles apart or one thousand miles apart.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: So I'd just love to hear, like, is there any
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: energy around far Less for you guys?
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Yeah, I mean, like I mean, with with
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Toast the Toast anniversary next year, I mean, I think
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: we want to play a show, you know what I mean,
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: and really do it right where we've been getting together
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: and working on music, Yeah, I mean, that's that's where
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: we're at.
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're spending time together, you know. I see that
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: since we were a band kind of before all the
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: social media, it's sort of fun to like, it's like
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: we're a new band, but we've got all this like
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: catalog behind us to promote now, So that's kind of fun.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you seem to and I appreciate it, Brandon. You
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: seem to have been having a lot of fun kind
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: of curating and putting stuff out, and it's added to
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: the excitement of it. We got together and went into
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: a studio about what a couple couple of months ago
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: and just kind of hashed out some ideas that we
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: had live. I had a really great time. It was
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: that was with Todd who plays the drums on Toast
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: and Brandon Hackler, who is a longtime friend and colleague
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: and has recorded all of us a million times, and
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: he was the Yeah, he did a lot of the
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: Toast demos and so yeah.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Nice, yeah, forget about that. So basically a few years ago,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I don't guess now, it's like eight, seven or eight
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: years ago, we got asked by our buddies in ten
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: years to support them on some regional dates. Some some
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: things happened, but it worked out that we were able
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: to support them for one show in Nashville, and then
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: we while we got together, we did one or two
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: other shows within like a couple months span. So so
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: that was like what year.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Was that, twenty I think the end of twenty eighteen
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: and early something like that.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: So it was like two or three shows we played
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: back then you can find some videos of and that
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: was that was basically it was who who lives in
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: North Carolina? Who lives in the area now right, who's
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: available to play these shows? Because far less is like
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: bigger than just you know, three or four people. We've
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: had different eras of the band. We all still love
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: each other. We just live in different places.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: The final drummer of the band was living in Tyler
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: Hill was living and is still living in Austin, Texas.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: So yeah, Tyler couldn't join us, you know.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: So we we are, but we are now that we
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: are now the band, that we have the group text,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: and we're working on stuff together. We happen to all
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: live within a few hundred miles of each other in
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: North Carolina, so we can get together as needed. We're
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: trying to keep it low, low pressure, but also trying
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: to build some we're built trying to build some momentum,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: especially knowing that we're in between these two anniversary years
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: where that everyone is out to get us kind of
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: anniversary can start to maybe build some momentum toward like
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Brandon mentioned, maybe some shows around the toast and then
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: the new music side of things. Yeah, I won't say
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: how many songs we have, but it's more than a
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: couple of songs or songs or demos or I definitely
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: have a fl.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Get replaced.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, maybe.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so yeah, there's there's a momentum. There's energy
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: and excitement and the thing that you know, we're we're
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: even a little more seasoned and but sure now with
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: songwriting and musicianships, so everything we do now it just
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: feels right. And we're seeing it now with bands from
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: the era coming back and putting out some of the
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it feels like some of the best
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: stuff they've ever done for sure. Yeah, So I don't know. Yeah,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: stay tuned it, love it. Well.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: I'm excited. So whenever that will happen, you know, maybe
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: that's like a year from now, two years from now,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: whenever it is. But if there's new, far less music
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: in the world, I think the world is just a
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: little bit better of a place.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: So that's really cool for saying that.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, shout out. Shout out to our mutual friend
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Jeremy Jeremy Alan Gould.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Podcast Just the Best, Just the Best, just a heart
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: of gold. That man is just cherubon.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: His family, all the best.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, let's got let's dive into top three most
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: in funch albums. So because there's three of you, will
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: do top three instead of top five. So I don't
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: know if one of you wants to go first, I
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: want to rotate through it. It might be a little
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: bit easier if one person goes at a time, So
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Let's do round robin. Can we do one each three time?
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I guess we could do that. Yeah, sure, that's totally fine.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: You don't have the other one?
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Oh ready? Okay, Brandon, I think you said you were.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: You kind of got your list ready, right.
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: I do, I haven't Okay, got it right?
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Actually, let's let's start with Brandon and then you can
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: go through and we can you know, chat a little
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: bit about each album too, so it gives you a
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: little bit more.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Time to be interested to see if we have any crossover.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: Melancholy Infinite Sadness is my number one period, I mean,
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: no doubt the most I remember buying on cassette, like
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: when I was in seventh grade. It changed everything for
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: me about what I wanted to do with my life.
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: For sure.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: I wanted to be a singer in a rock band
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: for sure from that moment right right.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: There are songs, especially you know, like you know, like
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine that like they transcend era of music
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: where they just they always sound fresh and relevant, And
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: there's very few artists that can make songs like that. Yeah, honestly,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: like I think you know another band that was able
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: to consistently do. That was uh, Fleetwood Mac. Like, I mean,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: there's just like never going to be a generation that
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't like Fleetwood Mac. There's a matter if it's Jen
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Alpha or Boomers, like they're everyone and everyone in between.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Like they're all gonna love Fleetwood Mac because their music
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: just transcends time. And I feel like so much of
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Pumpkins music is like that, but especially nineteen seventy nine,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Like that's a song that will always go viral on
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: any social media at any like, at any era. It
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: just will always have like this nostalgic factor that just
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: will be able to transcend any time.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got to be their biggest hit, dude, I
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: mean I hear it all the time still, Like I'm out,
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: like out in public, I will hear that song still.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: It's just that guitar riff is so seventh grade.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: We all went and saw the Pumpkins together, didn't we
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: We all went to that same time.
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: We went to this show together.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got the you got the tour post?
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was from they did the residency in
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Asheville for the Zeitgeist record.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we saw them together. They were amazing.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, a We're gonna do all three Brandon Okay, sorry,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Bone Thugs and Harmony East nineteen ninety nine. Eternal would
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: be my number two. Uh didn't influence me totally, like musically,
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: although rhythm with rhythm and stuff it did. But I
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: mean it's still probably i'd say the greatest hip hop
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: album of all time, the greatest.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Does that one have First of the Month on it? Yes, sir?
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: And on that one?
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: We listened to cross Roads in the Fens band van
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: the other day. I put that on.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Just that was those three?
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: That was two or two.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: I'm going to see Bone by the Way in the
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: fall account.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: I know they're a touring now, yes.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: But ari Em probably lyf Rich Pageant. I've had to
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: pick one overall. I think their whole how Log was
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: my mom's favorite band growing up. Uh as a front
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: man really really influenced me personally.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: Mmm, oh man, cool, I have a list ready.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I love our an, Let's do it.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: Jordan's Okay. I'm trying to think of it as influential,
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: you know, from a guitar player standpoint or songwriting standpoint.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: So sound Garden super Unknown probably that might be my
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: number one. I probably have tried to rip Kim fail
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: off more than anybody else. I'd say most, especially if
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: I play league guitar, trying to play the WAP pedal
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: and or you know, yeah, they're they're great. So that's
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: probably the number one. C k Y Infiltrate, Destroyer Rebuild,
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: I think is another one that I would probably say
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: as far as like, you know, just riffs, writing riffs,
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: because those guys write the ones. I mean, every riff
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: on that entire record is phenomenal. And then same just
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: thinking about riffs because I was always trying to write them.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: Rage Against the Machine's first self titled record, Probably those
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: are probably my three that I think influenced me the most.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Morello his ability for because I don't know if
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: at that time, I mean maybe like Metallica, but like
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: there were very few metal guitarists that could like write
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: legitimately catch you riffs, and Tom Morella's ability to do
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: that well, yeah, pretty second to none.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: The hook of the song, Yeah, oh yeah, they're great, amazing.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: So yeah, all like really really heavy guitar driven records.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: I will say that I love it all right, Joseph
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: you ready, no, not really.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'll want to go back to saying I want
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: to pick Soundgarden.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I mean yeah, FOB is a little more realistic,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: but I get it. We can't. Yeah, so I'll go
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: ahead and do three reserve. I mean, like this will
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: be different if you know, if I told you these tomorrow.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: But okay, I have some notes here, so i had
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: already written down Melancholy, but I'm going to retract it. No, no,
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna attracted because it's on yours. And but I'll
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: say this. The the first time I bought Melancholy, I
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: was doing our our our drives to write Turn of
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: the Bright I think, Yeah, I bought I bought it
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: at Crossroads in Blacksburg, and the first time I heard Porcelina,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: I cried and I listened to it on repeat for
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: the whole ride.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: Yes, it was the album.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Song experience I've probably ever had. All Right, so just
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: album other albums. It's not my favorite Meet without You record,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: But where it hit me at the time is Catch
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: for Us, Catch for Us the Foxes. It's the first
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: full length of theirs that I latched onto and it
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: kind of changed my like the the the bass playing
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: and the rhythm the rhythm section. It is phenomenal. Uh,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: same kind of thing with Caven Caven Antenna, just because
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: the way it hit me. It's not my favorite Cavan album,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: but it is Cale's base. Playing on that as a
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: as a melodic you know, is phenomenal. And then one
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: that just same thing. There's probably five different full lengths
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: by this band. They all stand out, but the one
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: that hit me at the right time that I that
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: I maybe stands out a little bit is the indie
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: band from New Jersey, Pine Grove and their album Skylight.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, this is maybe the first Pine Grove which is
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: so good, which they're they're going viral too, you know
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: these days.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: That's so funny.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Do you hit the Pine Grove Shuffle every now and then.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Just every day? That's so funny because you know, they
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: had Evan had just they had they're on hiatus, he
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: had gone, he's in England for grad school or whatever,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: and then like a week later, the Pine Grove Shuffle
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: blew up on. You know, an okay song but definitely
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: not their best. But the reason I put them on
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: the list is after after after I left the band
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: and went back to school, I had a time that
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't listen to any new music, and then a
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: time that I only listened to like AM radio. Uh
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: you know. Then I had an old iPod and I
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: just was I started listening to music again, but really
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: not much new anyway. A few years later I kind
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: of ended up in the Spotify Discover weekly, you know,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: paradigm they would feed me. It was the first time
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: I was starting to get getting like algorithm based recommendations.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: And through the Discover Weekly playlist, I found the band
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: from Canada called Pup. I absolutely love Pup amazing, So
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: I got into Pup. And then because I was listening
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: to Pup, I got like Pup and Pine Grove went
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: I tour together. So I found Pine Grove. They were
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: the first. They were the first two bands I got
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: into that I knew for sure the members were younger
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: than me, right, was that was it? I remember that distinctly.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, these guys, these guys are ten years
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: younger than me and had been. It was a little humbling,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't really playing music at the time, so
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm like, I'm now I'm getting back
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: into these relevant bands, but I'm not playing much. And
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: but the music was so good, I just I couldn't
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: put it down. And before I knew it, Pine Grove
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: was on their like third or third or fourth full
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: length and they they're they're definitely a top five band
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: for me now. I saw them a few years ago
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: and and everything they do is gold. They're amazing. So
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: that's really the reason that they resonate with me is
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: they're they're like the band that got me back into
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: seeking out new independent music.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: What I love so much about each one of your
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: lists is you can really hear all of this and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: far less and I was I was actually really excited.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Oh that looks sick, Ojusters. That is o G. Also,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I love the like fifties horror theme that was kind
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: of going on with the album too Creature.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that I wants you to finish your thought, Mason.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: But that album Art was a semi finalist for the
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Grand for the Grammy for album r that year. Oh really,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: I mean it's top twenty five, so it's not not
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: a finalist. It was a top semi finalists. So all right,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: I think you were saying this is.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: But like the eclecticness of your guys' list, it's just
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: like well, clearly you can hear all of that in
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: your guys music, and so I was just really excited
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: to chat with you guys about this because knowing how
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: diverse the sounds are in your guys' discography, I figured
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: that there would be also just a neclectic taste and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: that is absolutely the case, like you guys going from
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: like sound Garden to obviously Pumpkins to Pinegrove to hip hop.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, there's just like a little bit of
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: everything in this list, and that's exactly I think a
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: really great culmination, Like all of those influences are a culmination,
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  Speaker 1: and when you culminate that together, you get far less Thanks.
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  Speaker 4: That's really cool saying that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome little bit in the Broken Hearts unit,
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  Speaker 2: go check it out, because there's some songs on there
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  Speaker 2: late to the second half of the album that do
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  Speaker 2: that kind of behind aary code switching where half the
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  Speaker 2: song is one thing and it goes in a different direction.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, I think, so, yeah, you're trying to like
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  Speaker 4: get your feet as a songwriter and then you end
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  Speaker 4: up doing something kind of cool and special, and most
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  Speaker 4: of those adventurous things I wouldn't do as much of
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  Speaker 4: that now as a songwriter, you know, I think I
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  Speaker 4: maybe wouldn't take those same chances that we took back then,
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  Speaker 4: most especially with everyone is up to get us, I
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  Speaker 4: will say, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We made each other better a players and pushed each
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  Speaker 3: other and in all kinds of different directions, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: so I love you guys so much, so thankful that
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  Speaker 3: we got to do it together.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. What do you guys want to plug?
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  Speaker 1: Obviously it sounds like potentially new you know, some shows
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  Speaker 1: coming up and potentially some new music at some point.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, what do you guys want to plug?
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  Speaker 5: Jordan?
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  Speaker 4: We all we all have solo projects or other projects
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  Speaker 4: that we work on. I put a live video out
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  Speaker 4: today with a group that I have called bal And
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  Speaker 4: it's an extension of far Less in a way. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it's me making heavy music still. I went away from
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: making heavy music for a while and made a lot
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  Speaker 4: of Markana and country music, and Boo kind of brought
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  Speaker 4: me back around to getting my chops back. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: I think you can hear them both bands.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say I follow follow the far Less
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  Speaker 2: Instagram because we always share each other's stuff and whatever
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  Speaker 2: we're up to. But that'd be the best spot to
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  Speaker 2: keep an eye on what this band. And yeah, and.
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  Speaker 3: I put out a record a couple of years ago
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  Speaker 3: with my band I Row, which is also kind of
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  Speaker 3: an extension far Less.
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  Speaker 5: I brought Ray in to play drums on that.
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  Speaker 4: It's great. Yeah, it's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to see Jordan's new band or his band
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  Speaker 2: battle Friday Friday, and you're gonna I'll see you there, Brandon.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, Dusty from Beloved's band Pinchall, Uh Crenshaw Pentecostal
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  Speaker 2: is going to be there. Just really good North Carolina,
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  Speaker 2: like uh, you know, like old dudes playing original music.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: Great, awesome, sweet. Anything else you guys like to plug.
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  Speaker 5: Not that I can think of.
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  Speaker 3: Did you guys know that I was an extra in
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  Speaker 3: Michael Jackson's Moonwalker though?
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  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah, that's like a moon or is that like
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  Speaker 1: where is that where he like originally moonwalked?
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  Speaker 5: That's why I have a Michael Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: Do any idea what you're talking about?
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  Speaker 3: So it was a feature film that Michael funded, and uh,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: it tied a bunch of it tied in the Smooth
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  Speaker 3: Criminal video with some of his other videos. Uh, it's Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you guys should find and watch it. Actually, I showed
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  Speaker 3: it to my daughter recently.
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  Speaker 4: Do you want to tell us how you do? You
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  Speaker 4: want to tell us how you got that gig?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Well, were you just younger at the time?
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, well I got I was at I was
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  Speaker 3: at the mall man at a toy store and got
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  Speaker 3: scouted scouted out there, like look.
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  Speaker 4: At this, yeah story, Brandon was an actor. Brandon was Brandon.
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  Speaker 4: Isn't that you know you can still do that? Really? Well,
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  Speaker 4: you're an actor. I didn't know this story either.
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  Speaker 1: What what did you do as an extra? What did
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  Speaker 1: you do bring? Uh? There was dancing or you.
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  Speaker 5: Just I was just in the crowd.
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  Speaker 3: It was just in the crowd and some of the
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  Speaker 3: live uh some of the live footage up front.
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  Speaker 5: Nice, Yeah, you can see me crying.
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  Speaker 2: He also did that exact same thing, and he is
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  Speaker 2: legend video.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I completely forgot about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, brand It's just like one of those faces where
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  Speaker 1: it's like, God, I feel like I've seen that guy
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  Speaker 1: somewhere quite put your name, you know, put your finger
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  Speaker 1: on it so sick. Well, I'll have to go back
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  Speaker 1: and watch a little Moonlalker and I can find you.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'll plug mass I want to plug Maston
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  Speaker 4: a little bit because Masten is kind of this guy
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  Speaker 4: Massen that we know went down to Atlanta and worked
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  Speaker 4: on that. Everyone is out to get us with us
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  Speaker 4: and the last song on the album, Simper, was kind
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  Speaker 4: of you may be able to speak more on it,
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  Speaker 4: Brandon or Joseph for me, but it was a culmination
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  Speaker 4: of a lot of his efforts. He was really into
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: digital music and he kind of did he not create
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  Speaker 4: a lot of those sounds working on that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, yeah, Like we had what like.
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  Speaker 3: Very like minimal beat, the guitars and the vocals and stuff,
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  Speaker 3: and then he just went in and added everything else,
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  Speaker 3: all the glitch, all the glitchy stuff, all the weird
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  Speaker 3: effects on the drums, and yeah, I mean it made
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  Speaker 3: that song super dope.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't do anything on that song at all.
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  Speaker 5: You didn't play that song.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing, Mark, Yeah, I think Mark played all the game.
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  Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 5: Here's the story about that song.
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  Speaker 3: Every time we tried to play it live, I couldn't
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  Speaker 3: stop laughing because we started I mean, you guys remember this,
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  Speaker 3: Like we'd start the song and if I if I
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  Speaker 3: looked at Mark Carson. It was like I would laugh
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  Speaker 3: and embarrass myself in front of everyone.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know why.
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  Speaker 3: Mark's just got one of those faces.
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  Speaker 5: It just made me.
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  Speaker 4: Laugh and I don't Yeah. So I haven't talked to
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  Speaker 4: Maston in a really long time, but he worked on
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: the record too, And then I'll probably plug Dynamic sound Works.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: It's that's the kind of thing we kind of record
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: and make our content. Brandon Hackler, who plays guitar in
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: the band, you know, kind of runs that and we
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: have a lot of ambition that I think hopefully see
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: some things come to light through Nice Yeah, for sure.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Sick well, I'm I'm hopeful for some new far Less
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: music sometime in the future, whenever that may be. But
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: in the meantime, you guys have just some incredible music
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: that's already existed and everyone is out to get us.
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  Speaker 1: As one of my favorites, I still think it's one
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: of the most underrated tooth and Nail releases of all time.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: It's definitely in my rotation of albums that I listened
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: to very consistently and so and as I said before,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: turn to the Bright is still my favorite epeople all time.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: It's just so good. So yeah, so you guys have
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: been part of my life. You didn't know this, but
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: you guys have been a part of my life for
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: a long time. I've been one of my favorites. So
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: it's just it's a pleasure to chat with you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much. You don't know what that
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: means to us, man, Like, I think we can. I
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: can speak for all of us by saying that, is like,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: thank that is insane, man like, thank you so much much.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: It's been a long time since somebody's complimented us.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I don't think I've ever heard it.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks, And on the.
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  Speaker 1: Guest noted, all right, we ever come.
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  Speaker 4: If we ever come, Yeah, we ever come your way. Yeah,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: thank you man so much. You've been so gracious, and
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: this has been a lot, a whole lot of fun.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Really glad it was we were able to make your
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  Speaker 1: work out. So all right, thanks guys.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks, take care,