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After The Golden Bachelorette: Love, Friendship & The Bachelorette Cancellation - with Jordan & CK · In My Hometown

• 0:22
  SPEAKER_04: That is typical Pascal.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_04: You're in my hometown with Jamie and Pascal.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_04: And today we have something really fun.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_04: We have a uh a little mini reunion of our own, a golden bachelorette mini reunion of the mansion men's.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, okay.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_04: We've got Jordan Heller, our good buddy, our friend of the show, back with us today.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_04: And we've got CK, otherwise known as Charles King, in the house with us.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, we've been going back and forth for so long since we had dinner together with Pascal and a bunch of other people.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_04: In Los Angeles in Los Angeles.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_04: In the downtown also.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_04: Talking about getting you to Chicago and here you are.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_04: I can't believe it.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: I know you guys were in my hometown.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yay, I'm great.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_04: Well, LA is uh everyone's hometown.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_04: That's right.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_04: I love LA.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so happy that you guys are are here and we're gonna have a lot of fun.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I think um we should just start with, you know, this brotherhood that you guys have um established that was just from the from the jump.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, who wants to talk a little bit about how much that you love each other?
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_04: Who wants to start?
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think we all there's a really good group of us who who I would say love each other, right?
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we do.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe a dozen.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, is that too many to say?
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, yeah, some you know more than others, obviously.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: But I think it's been a truly unexpected friendship and a and a blessing in all our lives, actually.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_02: Wouldn't you say that?
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_02: Laughs.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, um, you know, I I love poking all these guys.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: That's my job is to make everybody.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_04: So is there like a little text chain with you guys?
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Jamie, there's a text chain, but I think more importantly, I think once a month or once a quarter, we we hop on a zoom call, just to see you know how we're doing, and and that's always very fascinating, you know.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um telling stories and you know what's going on and who's in the relationship and who isn't.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a big new.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: But the the the I will have to say the win leader is CK.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: Is CK who always put the group together, the zooms, the zoom links together.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think CK is working very hard to keep us so bonding together.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I really appreciate that.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: So we did it.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we like it.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, somebody has to take charge.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and did you feel it from that jump at the show?
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_04: Like, or what did it grow as time went on?
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_04: What did you feel?
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: No, it so Jamie, you know, during the the limousine night, right, when you know you kind of first meet the the men.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there was a love fest write-off, you know, from Jordan being the maverick and being the first one out of the limo and him saying how much he fumbled, and we're all laughing, and and then Pascal with his shoes and my shoes, and we're looking and we're like, I love those.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: I like them.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: CK was my my direct competition.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: And he had the really no one else.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: He had the same room with me.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: We have to get a we're room it, and I come up and I said to me, CK, do me a favor.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is my side.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: Do not touch.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, CK, you got it going on.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_04: You got it going on.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: I, you know, I'm not gonna touch his club.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: I can't fit in his stuff.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_04: I couldn't fit in his stuff.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so but so from that from that point, and and I think it's and like you said, it's grown, but you've had to nurture it, right?
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_04: You've had a like you said, the the zoom calls and and seeing each other.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_04: Of course.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, Jamie, I will tell you, I think uh a a week or two ago, I I talked to Keith, and Keith said he had talked to Chalk, and Chalk said, Hey, I haven't talked to you in a long time, and I haven't talked to this one.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, Hey, you know what?
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: Let's hop on a Zoom call on Monday at six o'clock.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, if and I I would tell guys, if you can't make it, don't send me a long text saying, Hey, my daughter's wedding, I got this, just don't come and we get it, right?
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_04: You have life.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but most of the guys joined, and you know, uh, it was very refreshing.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Jordan was in the kitchen cooking.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: Jordan was cooking, he was too busy cooking for the money.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I yeah, I had a I they caught me right in the middle of a you know a Jordan specialty dinner, and I can't really you miss a minute, you it's you know, yeah, the whole thing goes to waste, so I couldn't do it.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_04: I love it.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_04: So you know, um, I mean, you guys are in this small group, right?
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_04: Even though there's been a lot of bachelor seasons, I don't know how many, there's been like 22 of the Bachelorette.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know how many there have been in the Bachelor.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_04: 28 or something like that.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_04: So even so, there's still a small group of men and women who um who have been through what you guys have been through.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_04: And so talk a little bit about that.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_04: We we spent some time, but not with UCK, about that and what it felt like to be on the show.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_04: And and also tell us how you came to be on the show.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, of course.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, of course.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'll start with the latter first.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I live in Los Angeles and I work remote, so I'm I'm typically in my home office like hours on end.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd ordered something from Nordstrom and in Beverly Hills.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: So Nimon Machine?
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, only Nordstrom.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: So they called me to come pick to either I can pick it up, or they can mail.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: I go, look, I'm gonna get out of the house and I'm gonna go to Beverly Hills.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's a really nice area, so I'm gonna get dressed up, I'm gonna have lunch on the outside court, they're gonna have a band, I'm gonna just sit and hang out.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sitting minding my own business, and this woman comes over and she starts talking to me.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I'm like, okay.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then she says, you know, you'll be a really great candidate for the Golden Bachelor.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I go, come on.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking, Jamie, I prom I'm looking, I'm getting punked.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking for the cameras, and she gives me her card and she says, Google me.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I Google her, and sure enough.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: Who was it?
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Alicia Good.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, so you were like um spotted, yes, basically.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's a very different story than the street.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_04: Right, on the street.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I waffled back and forth, you know, and going on the show because like I'm a very practical guy.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like things have got to make sense for me.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I was on, I was off.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_02: He did that waffling when he was actually on the show too.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_02: Well, in the mansion, he was waffling.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_02: Funny story.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, funny story.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: This is this is every day when before I would tell Pascal, if I'm wearing a black suit, that means I'm out of here.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I would have another suit, and I said, if I'm wearing this, I'm gonna hang around.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you he used to say, I, you know, I think this is it for me.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna, I'm gonna take, I'm gonna take myself off.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_04: What was the what was the what was behind that?
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_04: Was it more the production?
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_04: Was it that you weren't sure you had feelings?
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_04: Was it what was behind that?
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: It was a little bit of that, but I always felt like, particularly when Joan chose Chalk for the first date, you know, my my message to Chalk was I see what she sees in him.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I and it resonated with me.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_04: And so I felt like like why have the rest of the show?
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I can be at home being productive, right?
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: And and so, you know, for that cause, you know, then I developed relationships with the with the men, and and even that had a shelf life, right?
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_04: So I love that that honesty too.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_04: You're honest with yourself.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: Every day, every day said, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, you know, CK, Steakwee's the F pogram.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you did.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_03: The what program?
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: The fucking program.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: But I steakwe's the fucking child available.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_02: You didn't want to both the sentence.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I do think there was one season of The Bachelorette where I think they she, I don't know who it was, but she met someone and really decided that she was done, and then they scrapped the rest of the season.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: It happened.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: She walked in and goes, I didn't I just met my husband.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: And then they left after two episodes.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_02: I think they're still together, maybe.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, I'm sure the producers are like, wait, we still have a show to do, so don't, you know.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_04: But but anyway, so back to this.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_04: So you sort of felt that early on.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_04: I felt it early.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_04: But um, and then you saw that there were other, there was something else that you could, another love story, as we've discussed before, that you could have with the guys.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: With the guys, all right, so and that really resonated.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, to Jordan's point, like there was 24 of us, right?
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: But I think there's probably eight of us that have a sort of a nucleus group where we really keep in touch.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like some guys they don't return phone calls, they don't, they're not unresponsive.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: And right, you know, none of us have the time to chase down guys.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, I'll call Jordan, he'll answer, or I'll call Pascal.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, his thing is I don't know if he does this to you, Jamie, but when he calls me, he always says my name three times, like CK, CK, CK.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, he's super good.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, stop, just one time's good enough because I'm excited.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's also reminding himself who the kids to oh, hold on, don't let me tell you something.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: Hold on, don't let me tell you something.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no, no, no, hold on, let me tell you something.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: CK, say what you want to say.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_04: It looks like you guys spend too much time together.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: Well, on the show, Pascal called me every name but Jordan.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: Jack, Jonathan, every every name with a J he was calling me.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'll go I'm Jordan.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: He still calls me different names.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Jordan.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: What Joni?
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Jimmy, yeah, yeah.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_04: So that is funny.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_04: But I do I just love that about you.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_04: Do you do you think that this is pointed to both of you, do you guys think that that is specific to the golden guys?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_04: Or do you think that um, you know, because you guys are older and we're older, that that camaraderie?
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_04: We've asked this question before, but I don't get sick of asking it and hearing the.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like I have some time to spend on um um paradise.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was around some of the younger men.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the younger men, they do have relationships together and they all get along, but I don't think that they have the depth and breadth of relationship that we have because, like to your point, we're golden, our children are kind of gone and out of the house, and you know, I'm single and live alone, and you know, that kind of thing.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so, and so is Pascal.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so we have the time and the resources, right?
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: So we're not on the upswing of our careers, we're sort of settling our careers and kind of where we are.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and you're a little bright more secure, and so there's just sort of a different aspect to it.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_04: Let's you mentioned it, we gotta talk a little bit about Bachelor in Paradise.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_04: So, what was that experience like?
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Jamie, I will tell you.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, when I got there, my first thought was, What the hell are you doing?
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because I promised myself coming off the golden bachelorette season with Joan, while I enjoyed it, you know, I was glad I did it.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: People ask me all the time, but what are your thoughts?
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: I was glad I did it, I'm glad it's over, and I'll never do it again.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then I found myself getting off the plane in paradise.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: I go, What the hell are you doing?
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: CK?
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: CK's getting calling me every day, say you come into paradise.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because there was, as you told me, I was asked to go in paradise, right?
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I just felt like it wasn't the right fit for me.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: And CK called me, you better go, you come in, I'm not coming, you come in every day.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Every day, Skip.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: But if Jordan was gonna go, yeah, I was going right up into the last minute.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I didn't know this.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_03: What happened there?
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I had a girlfriend.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that's a good excuse.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: My uh my time in paradise.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, so that would have been a bad idea.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_02: Jamie, you're doing it.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: You're doing that thing again.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: You're doing it.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_04: Where I'm trying to get something out of it.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: No, I mean that's that's really the bottom line.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: I you know, I thought maybe I could manage that because but it didn't, you know, it would have really probably destroyed my relationship for sure.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I mean right choice.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't admit you you need to ride the Court.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_04: But did you feel because we've we've talked, CK um Pascal and I have talked a lot about this idea that if they really wanted the Goldens there, they should have done it maybe in a different way.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: Different way.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah or a larger audience of more choice, more choice of women.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, more men and men, right?
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, yes.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to go in there because I did I was not interested by any of the women in Gary Season, and they promised me, they told me, Oh, we're gonna have new women, we're gonna have new women.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: I said, you know what?
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Fresh meat for you.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Fresh meat, right?
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: Fresh meat, you know.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: You could go fishing.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you know, but uh and uh and uh that was the Sam from the from Gary Sison and and the Sam Bachelor from uh from Joan season, yeah.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't think they thought it out enough.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't they didn't, you know, kind of play with that idea enough.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: It was the same, it turned out to be the same.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: That the the golden part of it was just tired.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like they threw a bunch of golden on there, yeah, and it just was there was nothing to it.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_02: No one was gonna connect there romantically.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_04: It just wasn't a I mean on the other hand, uh is there that much difference between the golden, I guess there is, between the golden and the nuts.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_04: There is, yeah.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: The golden and what the golden and the young.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know, what are we calling the the little more uh advisors like parents, right?
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I think it would have been better to take all it would have been better to take the golden as advisor to the young with their problem, being like a type of therapist.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: They come up to you and said, uh, you know, I have a problem with Dell.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: This is what he did.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: What is your wisdom?
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think it would have been more interesting than to mix her up with the old golden bachelorette.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'll give you an example.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I the first day I got there, I met Parissa.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think that you had on your own.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, she's gonna come on.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Parita.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: I met with Parissa, and she was dating, I forget the gentleman's name out of New York.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and Perissa and I talked about like Maslow hierarchy of needs and then how you kind of navigate that is where I am in terms of the apex of Maslow hierarchy of needs of being self-aware, right?
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that happens in your golden years, and she's kind of on the upswing of that, you know, she's looking for love and the need to be loved and the family, right?
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I've navigated that course, and so her and I talked about that, and she's like, Wow, that that's really cool.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: Can you go talk to my guy about that?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so we talked about that, and I felt like I'm not an advisor here, like I wasn't brought here to be advised.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: But that's what the golden should have done, should have been advisor.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: They should have they should have fished that out a little bit more, yeah.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right, really make that part of the show as a as opposed to a side note on it.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when when you see Keith and Katie or Susan, uh let's not forget someone else.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and April picking up uh the the little uh monkey that I don't know, understand what was the Jonathan?
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: Jack, Jack and April.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, no.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, April gave me a little bit before that doesn't hear with uh Captain Kim.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: The young guy.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: The young guy, no, April gave the root host to the Jonathan.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but before that, she was Captain Kim was making a play for her.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_02: She that's like Captain Kim was a play for Captain Kim, and he said, No, thank you.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but Leslie was after Captain Kim.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, Captain King was after Leslie.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, April 1st.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you see, you see the controversy here?
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_04: I think that uh it was the intention of bringing the Goldens in, I really like, and especially also on the Bachelor Mansion Takeover.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_04: I every time I say that name of that show, I have to like literally think about it because it's not a roll off your tongue.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, I think that's where I struggle somewhere because I'm so practical, right?
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I have to be that way in my profession, I have to be very practical.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: And and and so to transition from that to being on the show, right?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: For example, Paradise, like I wasn't attracted to the women that were there.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you go back and watch it, you never saw me really press or anything of that nature.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: I saw you press your lips.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's pressed his lips to someone else's lips.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't wonder what they're talking about.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what they're talking about, Jamie.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: This guy's making stats.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, he's not making any stuff.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_04: This might be a good uh segue, though, into what's up with you and who you're seeing.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_04: I had thought that you were I are you comfortable sharing sort of you had been dating a couple people?
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_04: I you I know one in particular that you were um the one we met in Lonica?
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: No, okay, and great lady, she's a phenomenal woman.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: And we're first and foremost, like we're not dating anyone.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: But she's a phenomenal woman, and the thing that makes it so disappointing is I'm a hopeful romantic.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh I believe in my in my heart, I believe in the institution of marriage, yes, right, in a traditional sense, because I'm a traditional man.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I think for me, the thing that's so disappointing is that if you look at it from a checkbox's perspective, it's check, check, check, check, check, check, check.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's this one element where we were unaligned on.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: And the thing that kept the relationship going is that I tried to unalign myself to align with her.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, it caused a great deal of cognitive dissonance.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Where it just kept me up all night, and I don't understand this.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: And and so when I came to the conclusion, like this is not working for me, I can't compromise my standard, and I don't think it's right for you to compromise your standard.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: And Jamie, my cognitive dissonance did like this, and I was at peace with it.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you're at peace because you're you're not having to fight and a struggle and to try to make a round peg, a hole, fit in the round hole.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: So um But you were very rational.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: You do you you really thought about the process.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: You really woke very because I know we saw you in LA and you spent a lot of time with her, and uh, Jimmy and I were said, Wow, what a beautiful couple you both made.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but uh you know, I think you after analyzing the situation, you realize that wasn't the right fit, but you did it in a very classy way because you and I talk about it.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: And and and I'm sure you and and and uh a friend, am I right?
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're we're still good.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: We're still good friends.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: I I'll I remember very vividly, Jamie.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: We were we were at a round table in the back end of high-rise rooftop in in Los Angeles.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, a restaurant that I picked because it's classy and elegant.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I picked it.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: I picked it.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: I picked that restaurant and tap into the rooftop.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like it was a fish name or something.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember the name.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: I paid.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, I paid.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think we both paid.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: We both paid.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: We both paid it.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I I remember one of the questions you asked, which was, CK, what is it that you like about Monica B?
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't, I didn't have to think about it.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: It was this, this, this, this, and this.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: And if you were to ask me that same question, it would be the same thing.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: This, this, this, yeah, this, and this.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so for me, that's what makes it so disappointing because like I I believe in marriage.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking for my partner.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: I see him being happy with Emily, and while I'm happy for the both of them, it makes me a little jealous because I want that.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's so sweet of you.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you guys do.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't want that.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_04: You do seem very happy, and you could see sort of your glow and your just starting to see.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: So them again yesterday we went picklebowl, and uh we all were together yesterday.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: I could see the energy.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks for the invite.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: You play pickleball?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, well, that's the next one.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: You get an invite.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: We went to pick a bowl yesterday, and I saw the inter reaction they have the two of them together.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's genuine.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: It feels it feels it, they they look very comfortable, and then they come over in my house to watch the bowl where there's some food and everything.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: But I could see the yeah, the genuine and so and so is your kid how they wear with the biggest.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, yeah, it's all integrated so nicely.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: So well, yeah, feels it feels how it should feel.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: Natural and warm and loving, laughing, not you know, nothing.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's just great.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's been a jealous too, just right.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think she makes I think in some elements she makes you seem a little bit more youthful.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: Well, she's a younger woman than I am, but uh but it doesn't honestly when I see the two of you pretty good.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't see the I don't see the difference of age.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: No, you don't you don't feel it like that.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, I don't, I don't mean you know she's very mature for her age.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: You helped her and you am mature for your age, which is perfect.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_04: No, that's funny.
• 19:32
  unknown: That's funny.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_04: But I think I think what is hard is figuring out what really matters um in those um differences or similarities and things.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_04: So in the relationship, I mean I'm sure everyone is not we're all our own people, so we're not, we are gonna have these differences, but it's sort of like you said, I don't know what I'm not prying, but it's sort of what matters most and what matters.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: It was an issue that mattered.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like it mattered.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like if it were something like, oh, I'm a Republican and you're a Democrat, okay, you know what?
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm fine with that.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna have debates, but it's gonna be a healthy debate.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: But if it's something that matters, like it's a core value, right?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Or a guiding principle, those you don't compromise on.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think it's right for me to ask her to compromise her standard, right?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not right for me to compromise my own because I deserve happiness like everyone else.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: But that's very mature of you, okay.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I think onstead of dragging it for a long period of time and being much more difficult to end the relationship, you did it in the right time, in the right place.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I give you credit for that because it's not easy, of course.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I still hurt, Jamie.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like this, like I'm not like this macho man, like nothing hurts me.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I still hurt, yeah, I still think about the good times.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: There are there's still things that I see that reminds me of her, and it will stop me and I'll think about it, right?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I in the end, like I'm I'm 63 years old, and I think I can get past this, but you know, I have emotions like everyone else, but and and it still hurts somewhat and disappointing.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it's gotta be the one of the hardest things to sort of realize that you could still you could love someone, but know that they're not but it can't be there's a song.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: There's I so I'm sure there's no no, so I have a therapist, right?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: And you have a telephone?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: I have a therapist, and he's really good, and he makes me talk about heart issues.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the therapists that are really good forces you to talk about heart issues, and from time to time I'll get defensive or you know, um, you know, deflective.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but he says to me as we're talking about the whole Monica Beh, CK, there's a song in 1971 by the I think the Isley brothers, that if you can't be with the one you love, then you have to love the one you love.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: Love the one you win.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that is a great song.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_04: That is a great song.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_04: So, I mean, we have not been living under a rock uh all weekend.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_04: We have been uh very much uh talking.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you guys have been having you've been having fun without me in Chicago button.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: We know what's going on over this weekend.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_04: There was a big sort of shakeup with the Bachelor franchise and the Bachelorette being canceled.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_04: So, I mean, we have to talk about it.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_04: What's your what's your reaction to it?
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_04: What's your take?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: Well, well, my take was, you know, we talked about this.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: I was on the show a few weeks ago.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: We talked about the possibility of that happening.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: And the fact that um we all kind of agreed that ah, there's too much, they're not gonna really pull the show.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then they pulled the show.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_04: And we were texting, we're like, they're never.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: There's no way they're gonna pull a show.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: And they pulled a show because that video came out a pretty, a pretty jarring video.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know, unsettling to watch her.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: And then how can they have the Sunday, the premiere of her when the you know, the the America and the world have seen this really kind of bad video of her, the way she's acting and and screaming, and it's just terrible.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: They had no they really had no choice to put but to pull it.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I agree with you.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: I just think Danny was very disturbing, particularly when the children was present.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: But Jimmy said one point, you know, I mean, the we don't know what lead to that.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: There is no excuse for Taylor, okay?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: No excuse.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: But what led to that?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: There is the story, her story, his story, and everything in between.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: So I think to me, uh uh, you know, and we said that in a previous podcast, and uh, you know, she had a 1.8 million follower, yeah.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Now she's got over 2.8 million followers.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, she's she's a celebrity, okay, and she will pull a lot of viewers.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think to me, I'm not gonna say it, but I believe that the show will air sometime, yeah, because it's money, it's all about the money, and she's gonna generate a commercial, she's gonna generate viewers, and I think that's gonna boost the franchise in a certain way, who needs uh to be boost at the time.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: CK, what do you think?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I I 100% uh agree with Pascal.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: I I believe, Jamie, that these people are smart people, and for them to not uh anticipate that, like when you're an executive, you anticipate and you do what they call, you know, um analysis based on what if this happens or what if analysis.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I can't believe that these are executives that didn't think that something like this can potentially happen, and to the extent that it does, then this is what we're gonna pivot to.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and it wasn't even out there, like of an outlandish idea.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_04: She had already been charged from 2023.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, this video is from 2023, so she had the charges against her, they were still um pending, right?
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is August to see if she followed the rules with the children, followed the rules with that court.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_04: It was in there that that they could be able to see that there was a child present during something that happened.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_04: So all of this was in there.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: I believe she lost custody of the children.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_04: I think she lost custody of one of her children.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_04: Right, the one with this guy.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: But Jimmy, everything I think that we're everything from from her season to previous seasons to male season, everything that we're seeing that happens in in the Batcher franchise that we're witnessing on TV is a small microcosm of what we see in the dating world in general, right?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: So for those that are of us that are dating, like we've seen that, like that happens.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: Men are actually being abused in a relationship as well as women are.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: And people live our scandalous lives where they're sleeping with their exes the day before, or they're in a relationship here and they're sleeping.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like these things are happening.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so, as men and as golden, we have to be very careful who we entertain, who we entertain in our circle, because you sometimes you just don't know and you have to vet that out.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: But it's just a small microcosm of what's happening in the world today.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's a great point.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um, we had talked about that a little bit before when we were saying, like, who would, you know, she has three children from two different fathers, like who's gonna sort of maybe want that that was posited from someone on the on the chair couch.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, not I mean, I I I'll be honest.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh children with a boyfriend who is a trend wack.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: Why would I want to be involved?
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Why would I want that responsibility?
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: But I think half of those guys who sign up in the show did it in it to find love, they did it because they wanted some famine and girly.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they're more than half, I would say.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, who won at 28 years old?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: You go up and men out there, Pascal, that would entertain that because they either have some trauma, they have mommy issues, daddy issues.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: There is something going on the hit with people that they would entertain something like that.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and be hopefully think you could I'm gonna I'm gonna fix her.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I mean, you know, I'm gonna be nice and trying to do it.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know what women the same in reverse, right?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: Aviala's in my age.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't need a project, I don't need to fix anybody.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: The person I want to meet is the person who's the right.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't need to show her how to dress, I don't need to show her how to eat, I don't need to show her how to behave in front of my friend.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want a project.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: I want somebody who's there already.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_04: You know, the question is, is that the brand of the bachelor franchise?
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_04: Or should the brand be more and I'm not saying that it's always been wholesome because there's been if we dig back and get a historian, right?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's other yeah, but not not sometime like that.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: Never sometime like that.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: You never see somebody like that insulting, throwing, throwing shares in front of a kid.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_04: But I more mean, I just mean even the idea of just looking for love and just this the idea of that.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but Jamie, one thing I think that we have to consider is that if they can somehow recover, all right, either recover financially, right?
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Forget the optics, but if they can recover financially by selling it to another network and they air it and they recoup some of their monies, what comes on after that are the Goldens, right?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: So if they can hit a home run there, I think they can recover.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: But if not, then they would struggle.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_02: I I I don't know.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: Are they even casting for Goldens right now?
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but I mean I don't see I don't think male season was so successful.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know, I don't even know.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, who who they have?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_04: I bet they're looking for another female.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think that but the point is for them to, if they can get it right, where it get it right, which means they invite people that are there for the right reasons.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: And what is the right reason?
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we're looking for love.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Now going from, you know, just trash and what happened and throwing the chair to Goldens who are there for the all the right reasons, and it really becomes a love story.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's very nice.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: But don't you think don't you think then, you know, I mean, it's been the show's been running for over 20 years.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I've been in a business for 40 years, and I know then over the last 40 years I reinvent myself many, many times to be able to succeed.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you can't keep doing the same thing you're doing 20 years ago is today.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think the franchise need a completely revamp.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think they need to come up.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I and to be quite honest with you, there is show up there who are fantastic, like Love is Blind and so on and so forth.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: Love Island.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: There is a lot of competition, and I think the franchise, the golden bachelor, the not the golden bachelor, the franchise, the bachelor-bachelorette, it's kind of old.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's it it's always the same concept.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: The the 20 girls, one guy, they have to mix it up.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I think they did recently by throwing money at it.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, now there is money involved.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, paradise was money, and the the mentioned takeovers make money.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they also brought in didn't one season they had two bachelorettes, which I I think a lot of people did not like.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_04: They've been trying to to do some things.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think it's it's it's getting, I mean, they need they need a big makeover.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I thought maybe they maybe thought that this was it.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: That she's she's completely different than any other bachelorette, she has a huge following, she's a wild card, and then it just blew up in their face.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: It blew it in their face, yeah.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think I think that the idea, the concept of bringing in someone who had some celebrity before was interesting.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_04: I think that I could have thought of if I was in the producer meeting, I would have thought of 10 other women.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_04: Of course.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, Derit from The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I have a lot that I would love to be on there.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: They were thinking about Brinning Marsha Marcia Stewart was gonna be one of the things.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: Martha Stewart.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, wait.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: That would be so celebrated.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to think who it was.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Marcia Stewart, they were talking about another celebrity or guy celebrity.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: They were gonna be.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_04: Wait, because if they wanted the celebrity, I think that would have been interesting to it.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, who now you're talking women like Marsha Stewart.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Martha.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Martha Stewart.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Martha.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not Marsha.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna call it, I'm gonna call her Martha.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: Martha Martha was extremely successful.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_04: I think she is 80.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she's still a little older.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, she's 80.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: So she's gonna 80 is a step a little older.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's a little older.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_04: I don't like that.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say she's 80.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_04: How amazing that she looks like.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_04: 80?
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: 80?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, what are you supposed to just go home and instead of you just watch TV?
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_04: All right, well, I think she's amazing.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_04: Amazing.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: She's a very successful Jamie's gonna get her out of the way.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: Jimmy, Jamie, I'm not sure if a celebrity does that does that get away.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: Is that the brand?
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: Is that the brand?
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_04: She's 84, yeah.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_04: 84 years old, okay.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_04: She looks amazing.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, she got a good blessing chosen.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: But my girls, I have three girls.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: And they were all super excited for Taylor's season.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: They were like, we cannot wait for it.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: So were my two girls.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so that is that was the demographic.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: It was gonna, it was gonna kind of re- reinvigorate the brand.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: It just didn't work out.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it just didn't work out.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_04: I would watch it.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_04: If the I mean, I would have watched it.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_04: I would it's gonna be somewhere.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, now we're all time dying.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: I would 100 because I think there's a way for them to edit to counter what we saw in the in the uh in the so right, C.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's a way to edit that.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because and I would want to see the different side of that.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I go, wait a minute, that doesn't look like the same gal who was throwing a chair.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but no, from the little clips we saw, she's kind of fastid.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, she said to get the f out of here, I'm out of here, I'm not giving, I'm taking back the roses.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: So there is a lot of drama in that season, and there was rumor that she wanted to quit in many occasions.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it is true, but you know, those are rumors.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: So even Jesse made some comments about you'll never see a season like this.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's what it's unprecedented.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: Wait, doesn't he say that everyone's gonna do that?
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: They say that every time, right?
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: But I kind of believe it this time.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_04: He did.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_04: He was saying that she sort of threw a lot of the conventions that they have as part of the show um sort of away and had really sort of done something with it.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I guess we'll I guess we'll see how it goes.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_04: I th I agree though, CK, that I think they could do something where uh maybe they have a couple live shows in between and they have talk like a dialogue about uh DV and other things that are.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Jimmy, think about it.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: You remember how I think I remember watching after the first episode of Mel season.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think they Jordan, you brought this up, like the first uh uh episode, it went by so quick.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I think there's a way for them to air it and kind of speed it along and then do some editing to make it more presentable.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's a way to do that.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's not the shows need to be presentable, it's the image she created before the show.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, people are not talking about the show right now, they're talking about what she projected with the verbal abuse and the in the gravity assault.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's what people remember.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: So, how do you fade away with that?
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: I believe then a lot of water goes under the bridge, and about a month or two, three months from now, that's gonna pass, and somebody's gonna pick up the show because I think that's gonna sell.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but think about the opposite.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: If it was the bachelor and some dude was in there kind of abusing a woman in the exact same reverse.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: She's trying to fight him off and he's trying to hit her, he'd get it.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: Forget it.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: He'd be in jail.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: He'd be in jail in jail.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: He'd be in jail.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I don't know that we can well, we'll see.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: I guess it all you know remains to be seen how how they play it from here.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, I have to say that I told a couple people you were gonna be on.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, Jordan, Jordan's on all the time, so it's great.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_04: But no, people love you.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_04: But um uh that that CK was gonna be on, and so many, I just the reaction was like, oh my god.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, over one.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_04: CK is gonna be.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_04: So I let's we talked a little bit about you know your um personal life, but I want to talk a little bit more about it.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_04: So what's what is up with you right now?
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, I um okay, so I yeah, I know that was gonna be a hard question.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, like I'm I'm trying to think where do like where do I start with this to give it the proper context, right?
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I I I divorced in 2012.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and I got custody of my children.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: And when you And you have five.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: I have five, that's right.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: And but I had the the the the last two, which were the younger ones, and they were seventh and eleventh grade at the time.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: And as a single parent, you you you don't date, like you just can't because your children need particularly when you're a divorced parent, you have to pour so much into them your time, effort, energy, and resources.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so I didn't really start dating until you know 2019 when my son moved out, and I'm single on a little long.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Whoa, okay, now life starts, right?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: And when I entered a dating world, it was so different than 1985 when I I met my my then wife, and you know, it was like you you in 85 you see her, hey, I'm gonna marry you, okay, and then you're you know off you go.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, things were significantly different, and um I leveled up a lot, you know, in 2019.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted a a job that's gonna pay me a hell of a lot more money, like a hell of a lot more money.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to travel the world and I wanted to have dual residence, one in California and one somewhere else.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I settled and married in a company called Tannibal, and the thing that I found was that like Pascal, I live a good life.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like I have lived an affluent life and I live in an affluent community.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: And the thing that I found is that you have a lot more options in terms of dating.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful women, gorgeous women, not just here in the US, but you know Germany, Paris, or London, different places.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I found that the more options you have, the less likely you are to get it right because you have too many good options.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: There's a book that I was reading called The The Paradox of Choice by Um Barry Swartz.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: And the idea is that more is less.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: So if I got a 50-50 chance, I got an opportunity to get it right.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: But if I got a one in one hundred, see, K, I love reway.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_04: My dad has always told this story where he used to sell shoes like a million years ago.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_04: He's uh he owns a restaurant, but or did own, but but when he was younger, and he used to say that he would bring the ladies only one pair of shoes.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because less choice.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, less choice, and they would more likely buy it, you know.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_04: If you have too many choices, you get paralyzed.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: But the people part of the problem with the dating apps, too.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so send me ask you have you ever used any diddy a dating app like that?
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: I did too much work, it's too much.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: You agree with me.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's too much.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: I get and then women get upset.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: I give you my phone number, you didn't call me.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're just like everyone else.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I'm not maybe, I don't know, but I don't have the time.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I I just got away from that because it's too much work, and I'm a simple guy.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_04: I like so where are you meeting ladies?
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I live in Los Angeles.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, I I I live in a uh a fluent community and I live a little high.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um I become you're out and about.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm become a little bit like Pasco.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I I think with him No, this is I with him, I I've always wanted to be a little bit more like not totally like him, but a little bit more like him because guys like him, they win, right?
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: And with him should we in what way?
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: In what way like they're they're very they're very direct, they're very upfront, and they they say what's on their mind, and you never have to guess what it is.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: This is it.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so I've become a little bit more like that.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I live in a large metropolitan city, both in Maryland and in California.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm out and about.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: I get invited to a lot of things, and you know, I live well, and you know, uh I have a lot of options, but you know, it's it's hard because I I don't like disappointing people, and you have a lot of good options.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: And the thing I don't want to do, Jamie, is I never want to get caught up because it's easy to get caught up, right?
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right, you know, you're like calling four, five, six, seven, eight women, and you're like, Well, wait a minute.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: So is this why you're focused?
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_04: I saw you're you're trying to run some three half marathons.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_04: You've got one coming up.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_02: I surprised you said half.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: He came to me and he said, I'm running a marathon this week.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_02: I said, a marathon he goes, half.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, half is it a 10K?
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm trying to do.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: Is it a 5K?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: What is it really?
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_04: Marathon is big, I mean a half marathon is really big.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_04: It's 13.5 miles.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Jamie.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: This is a half marathon that's only five miles.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_02: He said five miles, five miles.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, it's 13 and a half.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: 13 and a half.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but that's a quarter, he's doing a quarter of a miles.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's amazing no matter what.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's half marathon.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: And what inspired me to do that?
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that I started running marathons back in full marathons, back in 2005.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_04: So you have you have.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I did I started running when my marriage started falling apart, and that was my way of dealing with, and then when Monica B and I broke up, and then I kind of run in, he's still running away.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't break up with Monarch B he's doing a marathon.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: He's got to learn how to run again.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: Forest gum, though.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm partnering with Nancy.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm partnering with Nancy, who was part of uh Gary Season, and just one thing we're gonna donate.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, our goal is$10,000 to uh Clore Crew Cancer.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh wonderful.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: So but I'm gonna send me that website to I I love that.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I do think that um they always say focus on yourself and then you'll get there.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_04: And I think where Jordan was going too.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_04: I think what is success?
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_04: I think we all have a different definition for it in ourselves.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, I think you guys are three.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_04: I'm trying to wrap this up basically because I think we're sort of end, but you guys are three successful guys in very different ways um and pursuing your your lives and your dreams.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_04: I uh do you want to play a little bit of um rapid fire or do you want what you want to sort of?
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think I want to make I want to say that.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_04: CK want to say something else.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I I've got some rapid fire for you and what you're so cute.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: I could say it's uh to me, I think the the the the greatest experience of being in the golden bachelorette was to meet those guys.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because mean it's a love time.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, it really is.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: They live they live from uh the the other side of the country, but CK and I talk to each other at least once a week.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Chuck and I talk to each other all the time.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Jordan and I see each other a lot.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what?
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: To me, that's the I'm a winner just because of that.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: I've met some wonderful friend that Cherish and I care about.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_04: That's so wonderful.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's great.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, can I guess so now I'm scared?
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: CK's got a happy question.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: If you're scared, if you're scared, I'm halfway across my goal.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I I've always thought of you and Pascal's podcast as the dynamic duel.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like you guys, the the yin yang and the pole, the you know, the polar opposites kind of you know make for a good thing.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so I polled some of your audience and we came up with these choices.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: So you guys have the We understand, Jamie.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're Jamie, you're on the hot seat.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: You're on the hot seat.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: So get three categories.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna name three categories, and um dynamic, famous dynamic duel.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: What is it?
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: What do you guys, you and Pascal represent best in these three categories?
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay of dynamic duels.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: And this has nothing to do with, you know, you're a woman, he's a man, just a man.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yes, all right.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_04: So some of them are gonna be the same sax guy.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's right, that's okay.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: So here, the first category Sherlock Holmes and Watson.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh Snoop Dogg and Martha Stewart.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh Batman and Robin.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: Which one?
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I knew you were gonna go Batman and Robin, that's good.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_04: Um, which ones are we most alike, do you think?
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of those three.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_04: Of those three, yeah.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_04: Um who is the first one again?
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Sherlock Holmes and Watson.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: Snoop Dogg and Martha Stewart.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_04: All of these are perfect.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: Batman and Robin.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think all of them.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna go with.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, you can't say no.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna go with Sherlock and Watson.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, and I will tell you why.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_04: Why?
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um, well, first I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna rule the other ones out.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_04: The Batman and Robin is more head and sidekick, which I don't think that we are.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not just sidekick, Jimmy.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not you're psychic either, buddy.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_04: Nobody's sidekick.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um nobody puts baby in the corner.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_04: So um the the other one is Martha and Snoop, which we it's funny that we talked about Martha earlier.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_04: Is that they were so um polar opposite.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_04: Like he is right.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_04: And he was just so cool and you know, whatever he was, and she uh Snoop Dogg though.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I don't have to go into why we I think we know why they're different.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_04: And I think Sherlock and Watson each bring different, they're super smart.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_04: They both were um foremost in their um areas, I believe.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I watched young Sherlock, by the way, recently.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_04: It's so good.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_04: This new and and so I think they work together with each other and they do, they each have something that they lead in.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I agree with you.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad I think I think I think Jimmy is much more diplomatic than I am.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a little bit too uh and filter, which that's work with our our our communication.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: It works very well.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: I will agree with you on.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I got one more.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I got one more.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: I got one more.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, this is fine, I got one more.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_04: Oh man.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: Bonnie and Clyde.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay Superman and Lord Wayne.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Shaq and Kobe.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: James Mom and Girl Friday.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow, okay.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_04: So for different reasons.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_04: I mean the Shaq and Kobe Kobe and Kobe.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_04: I mean either of them, yes, and either of them didn't like that either of them were supporting the other necessarily.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_04: I mean they were a full team that they win.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_04: They did win.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_04: No, I mean they were working well together.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: They did work together.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: They were working well together.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_04: So would we say that we're like the?
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think they were.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, wait, wait, wait, hang on, hang on.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Bonnie and Clyde didn't work well together?
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: And what about James Bond and Girl Friday?
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: They're all good.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: James Bond and Girl Friday.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know who James Bond and Girl Friday is.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's what you you put through together.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: Friday was from Robinson Caruso.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, Girl Friday.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: You remember Girl Friday?
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you're thinking about Money Penny.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_04: Right, that's where I thought that was.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_04: If it's James Bond and one of his one of his Bonds.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, it's Bond Girl.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know what he's doing.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: I know, right?
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: I've been saying it.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: I said Kobe, Kobe, Kobe and uh Kobe and uh Shaq.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: I will I would say because they complement each other on the court, they were supporting each other.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then they were have all have the the goal was to win.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's why we there you go.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: We have we want more finesse.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: Finesse?
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like Kobe was more finesse, and Shaq was power.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like don't.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: I can dance.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for thank you for bringing that.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_04: I love that.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that was fun.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: I had fun.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: I had fun.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: I had more.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, okay, you know what?
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_04: We'll bring you on another time.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_04: You know what?
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: I always love to host you in Chicago.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said to Chart last week, I said, you know, you guys, you have a home in here.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I enjoy deeply our friendship and I want to share that for years.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and I know you cannot take me more than one week every four weeks.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's it no no, it's once a quarter.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: Once a quarter.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: For two days.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: For two days.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's all I got.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_04: Well, hopefully, we can make it more frequent for this.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_04: And um, I hope that uh you guys enjoyed yourselves.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_04: We always love having Jordan talk by.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna be back, I'm sure, a couple more times.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um, all right, super.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks so much.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_04: And thanks for staying with us.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, we will see you in our hometown.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, and subscribe.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, all right.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes we don't love equation.