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Soups are for Girls? · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stefan
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Speaker 1: never told you a prediction of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: And y'all. Okay, So today is October twenty third, twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four, so coming up on Halloween. But it is
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Speaker 2: not really, this is not a Halloween episode. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry Annie, It's okay.
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Speaker 1: I allog sad. We got a little we got derailed
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Speaker 1: by all of our We did COVID and Jerry duty,
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Speaker 1: and we didn't do as much as we normally do
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Speaker 1: the season.
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Speaker 2: We didn't I think we needed I think we can
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Speaker 2: make it up November. Yeh, just made that the season
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Speaker 2: because we do need to come back to it. But
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Speaker 2: I will say this is a Fall episode. And I
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Speaker 2: say this though because originally when I thought of this episode,
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Speaker 2: it was because it had gotten below forty at one
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Speaker 2: point in Georgia, and if you know anything about Georgia,
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Speaker 2: that is significant because we don't have that much coldness
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Speaker 2: in the South, and especially with the global warming and
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Speaker 2: climate change, Yeah, it's gotten worse. But I'd love this season, Anie,
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Speaker 2: I love this season. Fall really is one of those
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Speaker 2: seasons that lust to fool us because again in the South,
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Speaker 2: we usually get about three weeks of lovely weather where
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Speaker 2: the leaves turn gold and red and yellow and all
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Speaker 2: the things, and a cardigan or a sweater is enough.
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Speaker 2: You get a little bit of a jacket. And it
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Speaker 2: also ushers in one of my favorite foods, soups, soups
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Speaker 2: and stews and all of the same. Which we just
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Speaker 2: had a funny conversation previously about Coroner who does not
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Speaker 2: love soups, and I'm a little bit like, eh, that
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Speaker 2: kind of disappoints me and you, Well.
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Speaker 1: I won't I won't go into specific, but I am
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Speaker 1: going to bring it up because this is really interesting
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Speaker 1: to me. She was asking me why I like soup,
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Speaker 1: and the gender difference we're going to talk about here
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Speaker 1: is something I had to consider and I had not previously.
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Speaker 1: But part of my answer was based on that.
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Speaker 2: It's really okay, all right, So I will say, did
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Speaker 2: I just recently partake into a large bowl of kimchi
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Speaker 2: ja gay? That was last week, y'all? Like when I
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Speaker 2: say we started this idea last week when it was cold,
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Speaker 2: this week it is now back to eighties. Like hot
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Speaker 2: at night at sixty degrees in the daytime is eighty
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Speaker 2: something degrees and will be for the next week. I
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Speaker 2: think we get like in one little dip next week.
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Speaker 2: Next Monday, it goes back down to like fifty something
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Speaker 2: at night, so you know, Like, so while I got
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Speaker 2: cold for a split second, I par took in my
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Speaker 2: kimchi jaga or kimchi stew. I also bought ingredients for
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Speaker 2: homemade chicken middle soup. Then I waited too late and
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Speaker 2: I didn't do it, but I will do it. Yes,
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Speaker 2: the answer is yes to all of that. And I
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Speaker 2: went on a search for one of my favorite soups
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Speaker 2: from last season because they did this whole whole like
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Speaker 2: Tortilla Kel soup, Thank you Tiktokus. TikTok has like soup
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Speaker 2: talk weirdly where people just give you soup recipes as
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Speaker 2: an entire three months of it and I love it
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Speaker 2: and it's glorious, and most of them are ridiculously complicated,
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Speaker 2: unnecessarily so like you have to make it your own.
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Speaker 2: They try to make your own stock. And I'm like, y'all, not.
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Speaker 1: That that's so funny, because a lot of soups are
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Speaker 1: meant to be easy, that's simple.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm like, why are you doing this to me.
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Speaker 2: But the kill tortilla soup, if you know, you know,
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Speaker 2: it is delicious and hearty and I love it. But
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Speaker 2: as I was hunting down the newer soup trends, I
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Speaker 2: was like, let me see what else. Fucking fine, let's
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Speaker 2: see what's out there. I noticed a couple of articles
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Speaker 2: that popped up at me, and they implied that if
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Speaker 2: you eat soup or partake in eating soup, you were feminine,
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Speaker 2: a girl, and definitely you were not a man, not
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Speaker 2: a real man. And I'm putting that in quotes and sarcastically.
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Speaker 2: So somehow a delicious, brothy soup consumption could it actually
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Speaker 2: imply you were not manly enough? Maybe you're enough, but
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Speaker 2: not manly enough.
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Speaker 1: You Like, I get why we I mean, I don't
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Speaker 1: get it, but I kind of get it.
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Speaker 2: Why we have to tender everything. I am like, this
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Speaker 2: is odd, and this is also don't we don't talk
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Speaker 2: about this? Actually we do bring it up in one
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Speaker 2: small snippet in which a blogger talks about the fact
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Speaker 2: that she is like, my husband's what I make and
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Speaker 2: if it's soup, he don't eat it. And it's kind
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Speaker 2: of the same thing for me, Like when I do
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Speaker 2: the cooking, and I get excited about soup. My partner
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Speaker 2: gets excited. He's like, oh my god, so and that's
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Speaker 2: tortilla soup I was telling you about. I made it
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Speaker 2: about three or four times last year. We love that
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Speaker 2: soup in this house that is a gourmet mill. You're
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Speaker 2: very welcome with all my prepackaged things that I added,
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Speaker 2: except for the fresh kill. So now, for the most part,
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Speaker 2: for the most part, just like you, Annie, and just
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Speaker 2: like myself, we don't understand this concept. Like most people
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Speaker 2: don't usually slander someone for eating soup. Now, unlike our
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Speaker 2: beer versus cocktails, as we talked about previously, they will
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Speaker 2: outright like I've heard that so commonly said, like if
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Speaker 2: you're drinking a fruity drink versus an ipa, you're not manly,
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Speaker 2: Like the assumption is a man's ordering that beer. Right,
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Speaker 2: But there are those with some really strong opinions on
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Speaker 2: this matter, and it isn't really too surprising to see
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Speaker 2: right wing people, right wing as a conservative have some
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Speaker 2: of these opinions. During one commentary on Fox News, Jesse
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Speaker 2: Water's mate has opinion known by saying, quote, you know
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Speaker 2: my rule about men eating soup in public? I don't
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Speaker 2: think it's mainly and of course this was supposed to
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Speaker 2: be a jab at men who eat eat either soup
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Speaker 2: or of course in the context is also ice cream
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Speaker 2: again or both. Yes, So this was a response to
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Speaker 2: Biden loving ice cream and eating ice cream cone when
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Speaker 2: he was kind of campaigning before he dropped out, and
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Speaker 2: implications of course of licking ice cream cones, which, by
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Speaker 2: the way, I was going to talk about this but
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Speaker 2: then it kind of bypassed very quickly. Was also a
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Speaker 2: heated debate when two young women were highlighted during a
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Speaker 2: baseball game by ESPN by the network for eating ice
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Speaker 2: cream cones and all the nasty comments made by gross
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Speaker 2: strangers on the internet, which caused a lot of backlash
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Speaker 2: against ESPN for their usage of shots like this because
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Speaker 2: it happened quite often, which again, this should be a
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Speaker 2: whole episode, which I said, I was going to do
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Speaker 2: a quick one, but I'm like, yeah, we did to
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Speaker 2: talk about this because there was an obvious intention. It
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Speaker 2: wasn't just this once, but this woman, actually this young
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Speaker 2: woman came out and talked about it. She's like, why
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Speaker 2: did you do this? There's so many other moments where
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Speaker 2: we were really enjoying the actual game, but you had
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Speaker 2: to turn it onto two young, blonde, attractive girls eating
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Speaker 2: licking ice cream and making sure and the commentators did go, oh,
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Speaker 2: well they're they're enjoying that something along those lines. But
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Speaker 2: all that to say is why does food bring out
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Speaker 2: such weird odd reactions like eating something means you're not
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Speaker 2: manly enough soup, or too sexy ice cream or not
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Speaker 2: sexy enough like it? Like, what what is happening? Like,
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Speaker 2: I just why do we keep having this conversation around food.
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Speaker 1: Well, again, that could be a whole other episode, but
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Speaker 1: the history of especially talking about women as if they
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Speaker 1: are food to be consumed. Yeah, we have sexualized food
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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, and we've definitely put baggage
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Speaker 1: around things that are for weight loss therefore for women, right,
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Speaker 1: A lot of stuff, a lot of stuff we've done.
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Speaker 2: Right, Well, I mean, like, again we're not talking about
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Speaker 2: this here, but I know women have actually told me
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Speaker 2: or actually men too, actually they won't eat specific foods
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Speaker 2: in public. Bananas, we know that, like and hot dogs even,
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Speaker 2: like all these connotations are like, why can't you just
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Speaker 2: let people like sustain their body, let them be what's
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Speaker 2: wrong with you? But yeah, like that again a whole
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Speaker 2: different conversation and coming back to it. Podcaster Caroline Benniwick's
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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry if I said that wrong brought up
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Speaker 2: the subject again with this quote. She said, men cannot
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Speaker 2: eat soup. It's way too girly. You're going to take
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Speaker 2: a little spoon and put it up to your lips
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Speaker 2: and you're going to swallow a tiny little spoon. It's weird.
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Speaker 2: It's wrong. Now, I think I believe I did read
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Speaker 2: that this was supposed to be satire. I think she
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Speaker 2: was specifically targeting waters comments as he made gestures about
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Speaker 2: a man handling a teaspoon and while he was talking
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Speaker 2: about you know how I feel about men and spoons
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Speaker 2: and then showing why. But then again, many do have
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Speaker 2: this opinion that eating soup takes away one's man card. Again,
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Speaker 2: non existent man card thereah suching. I don't I think
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Speaker 2: I've ever heard anyone reference a woman's card.
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Speaker 1: No, I don't think I have.
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Speaker 2: That's never been a thing, but it's hilarious. In a
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Speaker 2: while back, as we mentioned before, as in pre pandemic times,
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Speaker 2: we did an episode on the stereotype of women choosing
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Speaker 2: salads while my men eat burgers and men drinking beer
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Speaker 2: and all those stereotypes, so it shouldn't be surprising that
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Speaker 2: soup is somehow feminine. Again, I just thought it was
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Speaker 2: a good course, like that is usually a pre course.
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Speaker 2: But whatever. And there are several blogs where they have
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Speaker 2: the same conversation. In one blog by Katherine Mary Brady,
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Speaker 2: she writes, my grandsons informed me that they don't like soup.
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Speaker 2: My son in law doesn't either. They say that men
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Speaker 2: don't eat soup. It's not a proper meal. And that
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Speaker 2: has been an argument that's been made about different foods, salads,
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Speaker 2: included about the fact that if it's not a proper meal,
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Speaker 2: then it cannot be considered for men. Right, And that's again.
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Speaker 2: There even was a book titled real Men Won't Eat keeishe?
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Speaker 2: I think we've referenced that, right.
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Speaker 1: I believe so and over on my other shows Savor,
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Speaker 1: we did a whole episode on Kish and there was
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Speaker 1: a big section about this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this was written I want to see in
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Speaker 2: the eighties, so well, a long time ago, as I
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Speaker 2: was born in the eighties. I say again about this
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Speaker 2: type of conversation, which makes me super sad because they're
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Speaker 2: missing out on such an eggy, delicious pie, that is
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Speaker 2: savor that I usually eat with a salad. So maybe
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Speaker 2: you know, according to all of the connotations that we've
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Speaker 2: talked about, I'm really girly. And again seems this specific
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Speaker 2: reason is a dividing gender line. In many households, families,
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Speaker 2: partners debate whether soup is a meal in itself. Again,
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Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, I'm all about having a melty,
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Speaker 2: buttery grilled cheese with my creamy tomato soup from a can.
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Speaker 2: But can one eat the soup without the add is
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Speaker 2: sandwich for a meal? Or does that make you a beta?
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Speaker 2: I'm so confused why this is such a thing. One blogger,
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Speaker 2: Emerson Harken writes about this conflicts, saying, in my household,
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Speaker 2: yes it's a d belief. Soup is a reoccurring source
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Speaker 2: of conflict. From time to time, my partner Rachel will
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Speaker 2: offer to cook dinner, only to serve soup instead. These
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Speaker 2: incidents have sparked lively debates about the meaning of the
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Speaker 2: word meal and sharing of domestic responsibilities. Are we really
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Speaker 2: sharing cooking equally if one of us is serving water?
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Speaker 2: The advice of friends and colleagues was of little help
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Speaker 2: in our resolving our domestic strife. Many of the people
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Speaker 2: in my day to day life, most of whom are men,
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Speaker 2: shared by concerns about my partner's misleading meal related statements,
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Speaker 2: while people my partner consultant, mainly women, also believe that
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Speaker 2: the value of the meal is undiluted by literal dilution.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And they were so invested in this deception
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Speaker 1: that they decided to survey about it, he continues. Quote.
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Speaker 1: We carried out a gender based analysis of super related
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Speaker 1: attitudes and beliefs using short online survey. The survey consisted
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Speaker 1: of a landing page asking can soup be a meal
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Speaker 1: on its own? After which respondents were presented with examples
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Speaker 1: of food which are often served in bulls and asked
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Speaker 1: to classify them as soups or non soups.
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Speaker 2: If y'all want to go look this up. Emerson Harken
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Speaker 2: is the dude, and he has I think it's e
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Speaker 2: Harken is a blog. He has a whole graph he
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Speaker 2: has like graphs upon graphs upon graphs, like he was
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Speaker 2: really invested in this conversation. And here is their co conclusion.
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Speaker 2: Our preliminary gender based analysis suggests that women may be
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Speaker 2: more likely to believe that soup is a meal than men.
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Speaker 2: Often borderline or trend level statistical significance, deliberate attempts to
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Speaker 2: influence the outcome of the study about one of the authors,
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Speaker 2: and the underrepresentation of men and our simple together means
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Speaker 2: that our results should be interpreted with caution. Because the
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Speaker 2: number of gender diverse respondents was very small, our work
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Speaker 2: should be regarded as an incomplete gender based analysis at best.
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Speaker 2: The stronger association between soup belief and gender than appetite,
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Speaker 2: which is probably more closely linked with sex than gender,
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Speaker 2: further underscores the importance of carrying out a more comprehensive
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Speaker 2: gender based analysis than was possible here. So again, this
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Speaker 2: is one of those other things that I'm like, I
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Speaker 2: feel like maybe this is another episode where we talk
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Speaker 2: about why the women are more likely to participate in surveys,
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Speaker 2: because looking at this study, literally three fourths of the
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Speaker 2: participant who responded were women.
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Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like probably Rachel influenced participated, I imagine, given.
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Speaker 2: The results, But is it also that she actually reached
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Speaker 2: out to people and said take this quiz and he
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Speaker 2: did not put that effort.
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Speaker 3: That's true, back to soup.
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Speaker 2: Back to soup, and some other people had done some
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Speaker 2: research on our own, but this is more of a
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Speaker 2: lunch base survey, which could be a better debate. I
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Speaker 2: guess is soup better at lunch or dinner? Hello Olive
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Speaker 2: Garden and the salad soup combo. Yeah, that soup of Scott.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a recipe for that.
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Speaker 2: I think I do too. I'm just too easy to
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Speaker 2: do it. But it's delicious anyway. But according to their research,
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Speaker 2: women are two times as likely to order soup for
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Speaker 2: lunch than men. Oh and just in case you need
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Speaker 2: to know, National Homemade Soup Day is February fourth, so
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Speaker 2: put that in new calendar. Okay. Also, any I would
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Speaker 2: say that you are a soup connoisseur. What do you
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Speaker 2: think about all of this?
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Speaker 1: It's bizarre to me, I mean, obviously, but given my
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Speaker 1: own experiences. When you said this was a thing, I
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Speaker 1: was like, really, because going back to the person in
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Speaker 1: our life, and I think, if you know, you know
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Speaker 1: who it is who doesn't like soup. She asked me like, why,
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Speaker 1: what are some of the reasons you like it? And
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, it's really comforting and It's something
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Speaker 1: that I feel easy to digest, but also it reminds
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Speaker 1: me of my dad. My dad love soup. He didn't
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Speaker 1: have any of this. We're a big soup family. Like
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Speaker 1: my mom loves soup. Every time I go home, she's
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Speaker 1: got a new soup she's made. She makes big batches
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Speaker 1: and just freezes them and will just heat it up
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Speaker 1: and it's really easy. But I would say the gender
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Speaker 1: difference I noticed in my family is that my dad
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Speaker 1: preferred kind of what I would call heavier soups with
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Speaker 1: like usually beef and potatoes, stuff like that, but he
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Speaker 1: ate all kinds of things. And my mom she preferred
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Speaker 1: more like chicken and vegetables in her soup. I soup
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Speaker 1: all the time. I am very happy.
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Speaker 2: It's true. Like if she comes over to the house
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Speaker 2: and I'm asking to Pessa, She's like, I just need
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Speaker 2: noodles and these things and sometime of kale recipe that brings.
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Speaker 1: In famously in our friend group, I had that birthday
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Speaker 1: that you were so kind to throw and it was
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Speaker 1: a sad sack soup weekend.
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Speaker 2: It was my birthday and we had soup the entire
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Speaker 2: time between I believe we may we bought we ordered
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Speaker 2: fuck because that's something I cannot do. Uh. Then we
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Speaker 2: had Ramens, and then we have something else. We have
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Speaker 2: Chicken and Dumblings. That was that that say, so chicken
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Speaker 2: and doublings because I have my sister has an amazing
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Speaker 2: chicken and doublings recipe and I love it. That is
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Speaker 2: probably one of my favorite meals period. Chicken and Dublings
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Speaker 2: is my favorite outside of like Kim Chia Kay. There's
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Speaker 2: a few other like reminiscent, but Chicken and Doublings is
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Speaker 2: my go to. But yeah, like we had that as
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Speaker 2: well as the fact that I have stacks of punk
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Speaker 2: stuff with sacks upon noodles like Asian types of noodles
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Speaker 2: in my house and I keep it on the regular.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: And you know the whole talk about being comforting, that
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Speaker 2: is scientifically true, Like it is actually comforting to the
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Speaker 2: point that they tested people moods and how they would
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Speaker 2: react to like their own prejudices. So like they would
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Speaker 2: test people's prejudices before and after soup, and they would
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Speaker 2: be kinder because they were all like they were comforted
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Speaker 2: or they would be less stressed with after getting some soup.
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Speaker 2: So like this is a scientific thing. I didn't really
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Speaker 2: write that in here, and I think it's an amazing idea,
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Speaker 2: and we're gonna talk about the whole medical level of it,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, like it really is true, like that level,
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Speaker 2: and then there's such memories. Of course we're talking about
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Speaker 2: that with food in general, chain and doublings for me
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Speaker 2: is one of those things too. But again, of course,
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Speaker 2: as we were mentioning, this could be a cultural thing.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps many cultures eat soup all year round and whenever.
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Speaker 2: Many eat soup for breakfast. Kangis, which are savory rice porges,
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Speaker 2: are often eaten in Asia for breakfast as well as sicknesses,
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Speaker 2: as well as delicious miso soup that is considered a
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Speaker 2: breakfast soup. Egg drop soup. There's a specific type in
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Speaker 2: Korea that is often new. Or there's a blueberry soup
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Speaker 2: in Scandinavia which looks really interesting, like the whole soup
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Speaker 2: is like oh because apparently while blueberries is like a
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Speaker 2: whole season and they have this whole thing and then
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Speaker 2: they make this blueberry soup out of it, and like
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Speaker 2: this is genius. Of course, savory dishes, I like this
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Speaker 2: start the day, right. I think there's something to it.
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Speaker 2: I know, I've woken up many a couple of times
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Speaker 2: and I've told you like I'd have just had ramen
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Speaker 2: for breakfast, and it's actually not a bad idea.
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Speaker 1: I treat to talk sometimes.
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Speaker 2: Ye perfect, Maybe too much salt for the ramen, but
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Speaker 2: you know still yeah, yeah, yeah so but even more so.
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Speaker 2: Many cultures eat soup whenever. Korean stews or Jiga's are
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Speaker 2: a staple that is used for celebrations and luck. Seaweed
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Speaker 2: soup for birthdays, but don't eat it around exam times.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't bring you luck. We know, we have the
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Speaker 2: whole like soup that I make for lunar New Years
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Speaker 2: that I have done for the past couple of years.
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Speaker 2: Of course, some may debate that stews and soups are
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Speaker 2: different and constitute it as being more manly. I guess
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Speaker 2: less liquid means more testosterone. Yeah maybe, who knows. I
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Speaker 2: love a good stew, don't get me wrong. But the
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Speaker 2: other question, is chili a soup or a stew or either?
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Speaker 1: Oh no, Well, in my personal opinion, it would be
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Speaker 1: its own things, own thing. Yeah, because I feel like
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Speaker 1: a stew is like usually thicker, the broth isn't like
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Speaker 1: its liquidy I feel like chili is within the family,
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Speaker 1: but that's its own thing.
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Speaker 2: I I have a feeling people have opinions, so I'm
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Speaker 2: excited to you about this. And of course why is
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Speaker 2: it considered manly? Chilis are considered really mainly to the
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Speaker 2: point that the contests that I've seen are mainly men
19:48
Speaker 2: made up of men. Uh and like burly men at that. Yeah, chunky,
19:53
Speaker 2: chunky man. So according to Scott Hutchison, yes, it is
19:57
Speaker 2: manly and he's possessed. Specifically, this, like ribs and steak,
20:01
Speaker 2: chili is a dish safe enough for even the manliest
20:05
Speaker 2: of men to prepare. Yeah, maybe it is the image
20:09
Speaker 2: of firefighters five alarm virgins, the spicy heat of the dish.
20:13
Speaker 2: Or maybe is that making chili like grilling, is a
20:17
Speaker 2: good excuse to drink beer. Whatever the reason, a request
20:21
Speaker 2: for a pot of chili can get many men into
20:24
Speaker 2: the kitchen. Oh, I think he was trying to persuade
20:30
Speaker 2: men to do more cooking.
20:33
Speaker 1: Bit wow, come on.
20:36
Speaker 2: But and then he added the recipe for one of
20:38
Speaker 2: the worst types of chili in my opinion, And I
20:42
Speaker 2: hold strong for that because I think I got very loud.
20:44
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry Christina the Cincinnati style chili. I'm sorry,
20:51
Speaker 2: cinnamon and nutmeg and chili is a travesty. The first
20:54
Speaker 2: time I had it, I literally almost spit it out.
20:57
Speaker 2: I don't try not to because someone made it for
20:58
Speaker 2: me and it was a tradition for her family, and
21:00
Speaker 2: I was trying to be very very nice about it,
21:02
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, what is this. I think
21:07
Speaker 2: our family is from Ohio, so this was a thing.
21:09
Speaker 2: And I was like, what did I just eat? And why?
21:14
Speaker 1: That's funny because I feel like cinnamon. I don't know
21:17
Speaker 1: about nuvig, but cinnamon makes sense to me. How dare
21:20
Speaker 1: you a lot of like stuff like that puts cinnamon
21:23
Speaker 1: in it?
21:23
Speaker 2: Maybe not much, but a lot of people love this type.
21:27
Speaker 2: And I know this because it's also like they use spaghetti.
21:30
Speaker 2: They'll eat it with spaghetti. Oftentimes the sloppy Joe has
21:34
Speaker 2: cinnamon in it too, which is why I despised it
21:36
Speaker 2: growing up. I hated it growing up. I still do.
21:38
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of things in that. I
21:40
Speaker 2: was like, I don't like this.
21:40
Speaker 1: You know, there's a tradition. I can't remember if it's
21:45
Speaker 1: Ohio listeners right in we did a whole episode on it.
21:48
Speaker 1: But there's a tradition of school lunches in Ohio perhaps
21:55
Speaker 1: serving cinnamon rolls with chili. Really it's like a classic combination.
22:02
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
22:03
Speaker 2: I'm horrified.
22:05
Speaker 1: I can I can see it.
22:07
Speaker 2: I am horrified, I know, And I feel like I've
22:09
Speaker 2: just offended a lot of people because this is like
22:12
Speaker 2: a heat to take, not a heat to take, but
22:14
Speaker 2: like both of those can be a heat to take,
22:16
Speaker 2: like whether you like it or you don't, because people
22:18
Speaker 2: have a lot of strong opinions on this one. I've
22:20
Speaker 2: seen it. Like I said, when she made this for me,
22:23
Speaker 2: she was kind of apologetic because she didn't know how
22:25
Speaker 2: it would react. And I think she was trying to, yes,
22:28
Speaker 2: this was a white woman welcome me to her culture
22:33
Speaker 2: with this, and I just thought there was like, what
22:38
Speaker 2: is what is this? And I say, this is a
22:40
Speaker 2: person that does not like can chili. I actually despise it. Also,
22:45
Speaker 2: I only like it like homemade, because there's just like,
22:48
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's something about it that just I
22:51
Speaker 2: think that people feel that way about a lot of things.
22:52
Speaker 2: Canny anything, processing anything is a little different from your
22:55
Speaker 2: homemade making yourself. And I of course love to burn
22:58
Speaker 2: my face off. I love to wet when I eat,
23:01
Speaker 2: and so chili is no exception to that. One time
23:03
Speaker 2: I made it so hot, I pre like, profusely apologize
23:06
Speaker 2: to both my partner and I think Annie you were there.
23:08
Speaker 2: I was like, oh god, I think I made a mistake.
23:11
Speaker 1: I know I've had your chili and it was really good.
23:14
Speaker 1: Thank you.
23:15
Speaker 2: I was like, I added too many habitatals ay. Sorry,
23:19
Speaker 2: but all of that to say, yeah, I don't like it.
23:24
Speaker 2: If you want my opinion on Cincinnati style chili, yeh,
23:28
Speaker 2: I think it's fine, and he's on your side.
23:33
Speaker 1: I am not.
23:34
Speaker 2: But again, there could be back to away from Cincinnati chili.
23:39
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, but there could be the idea that
23:42
Speaker 2: more meat, beans and spice equals mainly especially spicy and
23:47
Speaker 2: the spicy or the mainly or maybe it's the picture
23:50
Speaker 2: of rugged firefighters in the kitchen cooking chili that pushes
23:53
Speaker 2: the narrative even more because and y'all the amount of
23:58
Speaker 2: times that I've seen firefighters come into the Kroger as
24:03
Speaker 2: a one giant unit to watch each each other's shop
24:06
Speaker 2: and my assumption instead of making chili. But I know
24:08
Speaker 2: part of that is I'm sure someone's gonna yell at
24:10
Speaker 2: me about this. It's part of that is because you know,
24:12
Speaker 2: making something big, a giant thing accessible quickly, chilis is easy.
24:17
Speaker 2: It is, so that's one of the reasons it's one
24:18
Speaker 2: of my favorites in the winter time, making my homemade chili,
24:21
Speaker 2: because you can make a lot very quickly. All you
24:24
Speaker 2: have to do is really chop up some vegetables, put
24:26
Speaker 2: some cans together and ym yum.
24:27
Speaker 1: Yum mm hm.
24:28
Speaker 2: You're welcome. And you can make it differently. You can
24:30
Speaker 2: like my partner will go all out and put like
24:33
Speaker 2: brisket and such, and I'm like, I don't have time
24:35
Speaker 2: for this, give me ground meat. I one time put
24:38
Speaker 2: like jumbalaya sausage in it made it nice and smoky,
24:42
Speaker 2: but that texture did not. I didn't have the texture
24:44
Speaker 2: that pexture can be att Yeah, but anyway, all that
24:48
Speaker 2: to say is, yes, maybe that's why it's all mainly
24:51
Speaker 2: and that's a good specifically two firefighters like that. That
24:54
Speaker 2: reason makes says I can't make a tin course mail
24:57
Speaker 2: for a squadron when they're on ready, on call at
25:01
Speaker 2: all times, So that could be that. But for some reason,
25:03
Speaker 2: that narrative is enough to make it manly. Who knows.
25:07
Speaker 2: But back to cultures, who would say that soups are nourishing. Yes,
25:09
Speaker 2: it seems when it comes to soups that aren't thought
25:12
Speaker 2: of as American are more likely to be treated as
25:15
Speaker 2: a legitimate genderless dish, such as fu and ramen. Again,
25:19
Speaker 2: this could be the argument that the spicier it is,
25:23
Speaker 2: the manlier it is. Because I love me some good
25:26
Speaker 2: spicy ramen, I go like alterra heat five if I can,
25:30
Speaker 2: and then like like it's not drippling if you eat ramen.
25:33
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. But this could be a
25:35
Speaker 2: whole other conversation about appropriating versus appreciating with other cultural
25:42
Speaker 2: culinary dishes. By the way, side note, did you know
25:46
Speaker 2: there was a white couple who ran a white couple
25:49
Speaker 2: who ran a fuzz shop in the UK who trademarked
25:52
Speaker 2: the word phuh so that no other competitor could use
25:56
Speaker 2: that word in their shops. And yeah, by the way,
26:01
Speaker 2: they received a lot of backlash for that. Also, now
26:05
Speaker 2: there's a recent trend of white French Canadian couple who
26:11
Speaker 2: was selling boba and then when they were asked about like,
26:16
Speaker 2: how are you you know, different from the boba that
26:19
Speaker 2: is in Asian shops, and they are like, well, you know,
26:21
Speaker 2: first of all, boba shouldn't is not ethnic anymore, and
26:25
Speaker 2: you don't know what's in those types of boba because
26:27
Speaker 2: you know Asian people, but in ours, it's clean and healthy,
26:31
Speaker 2: and they were like, what the needless to say. They
26:36
Speaker 2: got a lot of backlash as well, because they were like,
26:38
Speaker 2: you can't. You can't do that. You can make it
26:40
Speaker 2: something and you can say that you like this, and
26:42
Speaker 2: so therefore you wanted to jump on board, but you
26:46
Speaker 2: can't pretend like you're dismissing all the others and yours
26:49
Speaker 2: is better somehow. But that's what happened. Who knows. I'm
26:53
Speaker 2: wondering with all of that, because white people have kind
26:57
Speaker 2: of come on board with all of this, has it
27:00
Speaker 2: become more acceptable because more people white people like it
27:03
Speaker 2: that whole level.
27:05
Speaker 1: Well, I think I was talking to you about this.
27:08
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people who don't have
27:10
Speaker 1: a lot of experience with things like fu or ramen
27:14
Speaker 1: would call it soup. I don't think they really call
27:16
Speaker 1: it soup really, or especially ramen fu. Maybe yeah, but
27:21
Speaker 1: I think people think of it more as noodles, but
27:24
Speaker 1: not pasta because I have a friend who says she
27:26
Speaker 1: doesn't like pasta but she loves ramen, and I with
27:29
Speaker 1: my mind was breaking about it and I was like, Okay,
27:33
Speaker 1: so I think maybe there's also especially so.
27:36
Speaker 2: Me, it disconnects with that.
27:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that for some people they wouldn't
27:41
Speaker 1: consider some of this soup even though it is Yeah, yeah.
27:46
Speaker 2: I guess maybe because but the thing is like, for
27:48
Speaker 2: I know a lot of Korean dishes where you have
27:50
Speaker 2: like the lovely broth with the handpuld noodles. The broth though,
27:55
Speaker 2: is what makes the taste.
27:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, they want.
27:58
Speaker 2: You to have good noodles and they want it to
27:59
Speaker 2: be good toodles, but they're focusing on that broth.
28:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely interesting.
28:04
Speaker 2: Anyway, back to soups in the US, So these soup
28:07
Speaker 2: companies have been on a high alert of this gendered problem,
28:11
Speaker 2: and thanks to their marketing team, they've had some ideas.
28:15
Speaker 2: In the nineteen forties, they went on to post ads
28:18
Speaker 2: with cartoon drawings of women in aprons and Annie, I've
28:21
Speaker 2: got the link if you want to go look at
28:23
Speaker 2: this women in aprons surrounding a sign that says quote
28:27
Speaker 2: for men only, with a caption he Man is the
28:32
Speaker 2: world for these hearty suits. But ladies, you'll like them too,
28:37
Speaker 2: oh great, and y'all and yes, all y'all. They had
28:41
Speaker 2: he Man soup ads, which classifies split pee soup as
28:45
Speaker 2: part of that group.
28:47
Speaker 1: I think I want to do an episode of a
28:49
Speaker 1: split pea soup over on Savor because I think split
28:52
Speaker 1: pea soup had a whole thing. Does it got associated
28:57
Speaker 1: with like fine dining and stuff?
29:00
Speaker 2: I did so like just a little bit that I
29:02
Speaker 2: read like split pea soup the way that it had
29:05
Speaker 2: like built up. It was absolutely originally a poor person
29:09
Speaker 2: soup because peas were easy. There's a whole rhyme. I
29:14
Speaker 2: didn't put it in here. There's a rhyme they have
29:16
Speaker 2: in regards to peace and the soup and making them
29:20
Speaker 2: into soup. And then it got taken over and it
29:24
Speaker 2: became fine dining somehow, which is really odd to me.
29:27
Speaker 2: I hate peas. I mean, I need a lot of things.
29:30
Speaker 2: Oh no, it seems just so you'll know, not me, okay.
29:38
Speaker 1: But anyway, back to Campbell's and all of this marketing
29:43
Speaker 1: that was going on around soups and making it masculine. Yeah,
29:46
Speaker 1: Campbell's had the chunky brand which I remember still around
29:51
Speaker 1: that have football players on the branding. So just so
29:55
Speaker 1: you know, it's very masculine and it did work. But
29:59
Speaker 1: with a twist, it's just like moms. It's just like
30:02
Speaker 1: mom used to make love that kind of home style. Yeah,
30:07
Speaker 1: here's some information from FastCompany dot com quote. The beauty
30:12
Speaker 1: of the chunky marketing campaign is twofold. It is both
30:16
Speaker 1: a serious appeal to manliness and a self deprecating look
30:19
Speaker 1: at the absurdities of marketing. We're talking about soup here.
30:23
Speaker 1: Nothing that you eat with the spoon is ever in
30:25
Speaker 1: danger of seeming stereotypically macho, unless it's motor oil. The
30:30
Speaker 1: ads are aware of their own silliness, which leaves viewers
30:33
Speaker 1: that much more vulnerable to the real and ridiculous message
30:37
Speaker 1: that soup is a manly food. The ads also cast
30:40
Speaker 1: a massive net of appeal by telling consumers that all
30:43
Speaker 1: you have to do is love your mom, and that
30:45
Speaker 1: makes you at Campbell's chunky kind of guy. Is it silly, yes,
30:50
Speaker 1: but is it also brilliant? Absolutely? I mean, I love
30:54
Speaker 1: my mom, don't you. Let's celebrate by eating some broccoli
30:57
Speaker 1: and cheddar.
31:00
Speaker 2: So the message is yes, men can eat soup. But
31:03
Speaker 2: as long as you can contribute this to your mother,
31:06
Speaker 2: right your mom. Now, these as debuted in the like
31:10
Speaker 2: late nineties, which is why you don't remember it any
31:12
Speaker 2: and continued on during the early two thousands, but they're back.
31:16
Speaker 2: They're back at it, and it's a bit of them
31:20
Speaker 2: kind of a balance. I guess you have what you
31:22
Speaker 2: may consider what many would consider green flag dudes, meaning
31:26
Speaker 2: he's a good dude who isn't a sexist as far
31:29
Speaker 2: as we know, seemingly caring guy who has who shows
31:33
Speaker 2: some emotions type of thing. Then they're the ones that's
31:37
Speaker 2: advertising this. So we have Jason Kelcey lying on a
31:41
Speaker 2: bear rug making soup still mainly but now sexy. Yeah, sure,
31:52
Speaker 2: or perhaps it's supposed to be approachable unless Mama's boy.
31:56
Speaker 1: It's abatable, abatable.
31:58
Speaker 2: I think Travis Kel's was also involved, but his commercial
32:01
Speaker 2: was a little different. But it definitely is that lie.
32:04
Speaker 2: Like and this is recent twenty twenty four, like this
32:07
Speaker 2: just happened now. Maybe the classification of soups being feminine
32:12
Speaker 2: has something to do with its level of implications of
32:16
Speaker 2: social class and social status. Also, so soup's origins can
32:20
Speaker 2: be dated back to the idea of eating vegetables dipped
32:23
Speaker 2: in broth, as a lot of people couldn't afford meat.
32:27
Speaker 2: So we have old tails such as the Stone Soup,
32:31
Speaker 2: which tells the story of a village coming together to
32:33
Speaker 2: make a delicious soup with their meager ingredients that they
32:36
Speaker 2: didn't want to share at first. They're trying to hoard
32:38
Speaker 2: and pretend like they didn't have anything made by a
32:41
Speaker 2: hungry traveler. It could also be the fact that they
32:44
Speaker 2: used to take hot stones. I believe ancient Asia used
32:47
Speaker 2: to take hot stones and put it in water in
32:49
Speaker 2: order to boil it, so that could be that stone
32:51
Speaker 2: Soup conversation too. But this isn't again, this isn't so
32:56
Speaker 2: far off. Many creations of soup came from what they
32:59
Speaker 2: had left over. That's what it begins. When it comes
33:02
Speaker 2: to making stocks and broth. It is literally using leftover
33:05
Speaker 2: parts and ingredients. We know those. It looks like trash,
33:08
Speaker 2: like what I saw someone for the first time making
33:09
Speaker 2: actual stock was like, what the hell you do? And
33:11
Speaker 2: then it turned out they were making really delicious stock.
33:14
Speaker 2: As a writer of all Things Sicilian and Moore dot
33:16
Speaker 2: com rites, soups were made with what was once considered
33:20
Speaker 2: the poorest of ingredients. Then they say something in Italian.
33:22
Speaker 2: I'm going to translate it to English because I can't
33:24
Speaker 2: say it in Italian. Making something out of nothing.
33:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what do you think of like gel gelatin
33:31
Speaker 1: that's often in soups. It's bones. It's just boiled bones.
33:45
Speaker 1: Here's some more detail of soups origins from hotmixedpro dot
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Speaker 1: com quote the soup is the food of the working class.
33:53
Speaker 1: Is origin dates back to many years ago, when poor
33:55
Speaker 1: peasants could only afford some vegetables dipped in a broth.
33:58
Speaker 1: To better understand the origin of this food, we have
34:01
Speaker 1: to start from the name. The soup comes from the
34:04
Speaker 1: Gothic word soupa, which means slice of soaked bread. In fact,
34:09
Speaker 1: rich lords often ate meat or other foods over thick
34:12
Speaker 1: slices of bread in the Middle Ages, which effectively replaced
34:15
Speaker 1: the dishes at the end of the meal. The pieces
34:18
Speaker 1: of bread left by the rich people were donated to
34:21
Speaker 1: the servants who cooked them with the other vegetables and
34:23
Speaker 1: pots full of water.
34:25
Speaker 2: Right, which I find fascinating. Maybe that's why, like really
34:29
Speaker 2: nice cuts of meat from barbecue places are on top
34:32
Speaker 2: of white bread. I thought that was a Southern tradition,
34:34
Speaker 2: maybe super rooted, who knows. So perhaps these original connotations
34:39
Speaker 2: are part of this feminization of soups. To be successful,
34:42
Speaker 2: to be manly, all those things kind of jot together,
34:46
Speaker 2: and so therefore you can't be eating soup. Come on, man,
34:50
Speaker 2: you gotta be an alpha. Or perhaps is how soups
34:53
Speaker 2: became a whole diet trend. Now we're not gonna get
34:57
Speaker 2: too too deep in this, obviously, but yeah, which brands
35:02
Speaker 2: fell for, like they loved this idea and really really
35:06
Speaker 2: tagged onto it. To the fact that if you go
35:08
Speaker 2: and look at the different types of soups and brands
35:10
Speaker 2: in the grocery stores, you will see these low calories,
35:13
Speaker 2: low sodium. Low sodium is great, that is actually really great,
35:16
Speaker 2: but all these low calorie things that they have marketed
35:19
Speaker 2: for people who are on soup diets. But the cabbage
35:22
Speaker 2: soup diet is probably one of the best known soup
35:25
Speaker 2: diet bads in the US. And I can't lie I participated,
35:31
Speaker 2: but honestly, I just really love cabbage. I love cabbage.
35:34
Speaker 2: My mom used to boil cabbage as a side dish,
35:37
Speaker 2: and I love that so much to the point that
35:39
Speaker 2: I would eat it like soup. I would just add
35:41
Speaker 2: tons of pepper and good town. Yeah, so I love
35:44
Speaker 2: cabbage and soup, so I would eat it with quinoa.
35:47
Speaker 2: It was one of my favorite combos. But yeah, I
35:51
Speaker 2: was always hungry afterwards and fairly gassy, like I was
35:54
Speaker 2: not feeling too good. So according to Wikipedia, the originations
35:58
Speaker 2: may date back to the nineteenth fifties and became super
36:02
Speaker 2: popular in the nineties. Yeah, my partner actually talks about
36:06
Speaker 2: how like he hates because I talked about making cabbage
36:08
Speaker 2: soup for like during the winter time because I just
36:10
Speaker 2: love it, and he was like, oh. He would tell
36:13
Speaker 2: me stories repeatedly every time I mentioned cabbage soup about
36:15
Speaker 2: his old babysitters who that's all she ate And he
36:19
Speaker 2: hated it. He hated the smell of it, he hated
36:21
Speaker 2: everything about it. I guess he really did not like
36:22
Speaker 2: his babysitter.
36:23
Speaker 1: I don't know.
36:24
Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh, dear, maybe that's just like, why
36:28
Speaker 2: do you have to eat this cause Lily maybe she
36:30
Speaker 2: was super gassy too, Who knows. Anyway, spoiler spoiler alert,
36:34
Speaker 2: it doesn't work. You may lose a bit of weight,
36:37
Speaker 2: and unless you make this the only food you eat
36:40
Speaker 2: for the entirety of your life, you will quickly gain
36:44
Speaker 2: it back.
36:45
Speaker 1: The way generally with the diets. That's how it goes exactly.
36:49
Speaker 1: Here's some information from healthline dot com quote. Unless you
36:53
Speaker 1: have a more sustainable diet to transition to, you likely
36:56
Speaker 1: regain any weight you lose on the diet. Furthermore, studies
36:59
Speaker 1: suggests that when you greatly restrict calorie intake or lose
37:02
Speaker 1: a sustainable amount of weight quickly, there's a reduction in
37:05
Speaker 1: your metabolic rate. This means that your body begins to
37:08
Speaker 1: burn fewer calories per day than it did before. As
37:11
Speaker 1: a result, after going off the diet, your lowered metabolism
37:14
Speaker 1: may make it harder to maintain your weight loss. Additionally,
37:17
Speaker 1: as soup diets like the Cabbage Soup Diet and Sacred
37:20
Speaker 1: Heart Diet are quite restrictive in the types and amounts
37:23
Speaker 1: of foods allowed, there's a concern for nutrient deficiencies. While
37:28
Speaker 1: eating a restricted diet for just five to ten days
37:30
Speaker 1: is unlikely to result in serious nutrient deficiencies, especially if
37:34
Speaker 1: taking a multi vitamin, significantly reducing calorie intake can lead
37:39
Speaker 1: to side effects such as dizziness, weakness, or fatigue.
37:43
Speaker 2: Right and Unfortunately the diet has come back round, but
37:47
Speaker 2: it's now called souping, and he's called souping. Who thinks
37:52
Speaker 2: of these? Who does this? Who's doing this?
37:55
Speaker 1: Wow?
37:56
Speaker 2: Phili, This is a millennial trying to be on track
37:58
Speaker 2: against So yeah, article after article for women's magazines have
38:03
Speaker 2: popped up with the newest diet trend of souping. Now
38:07
Speaker 2: it's not all bad again, eating soup is fantastic. The
38:10
Speaker 2: amount of health benefits and nutritional values, it's pretty high.
38:13
Speaker 2: Veggies for everyone, Yeah, everybody eat veggies. But as it
38:16
Speaker 2: continues to be marketed and targeted to women as weight
38:19
Speaker 2: loss solutions, we can see that the gender line of
38:23
Speaker 2: soup consumption is more visible. So obviously we're making this
38:28
Speaker 2: a bad for women. That again, like all I saw
38:31
Speaker 2: was like Glamor magazine has something in it, Women's Day
38:34
Speaker 2: magazine has like what is going on? It does? It
38:37
Speaker 2: makes it feel like, okay, soup is for diets. Yeah,
38:41
Speaker 2: but back to the souping. Apparently it is thought of
38:43
Speaker 2: more as a cleanse rather than a consistent diet. So
38:47
Speaker 2: you can do like the cabbage diet for two weeks
38:49
Speaker 2: as a kickstarter, which by the way, there's no actual
38:53
Speaker 2: benefits to that. That's not a thing. Scientifically, it's not
38:57
Speaker 2: a thing. No, But adding soup to your mill in
39:00
Speaker 2: order to feel more full and eating less and helping
39:03
Speaker 2: to eat more fiber. So that's kind of the new
39:05
Speaker 2: souping idea is to add it to meals, which I
39:08
Speaker 2: feel like is just okay, moving on, that's kind of whole.
39:12
Speaker 2: Like people talk about drinking a glass of water. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you're gonna feel full, but you're gonna want okay whatever.
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Speaker 2: Soup probably is better if you have a lot of
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Speaker 2: vegetables in it and it's delicious and you're like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: let me eat this. Maybe it does, and then you
39:23
Speaker 2: get also have your you know, fried chicken to the side.
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Speaker 2: I love fried chicken.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So the New York Post recently wrote an article about
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Speaker 2: this fat and here's what they said. Souping, often seen
39:33
Speaker 2: as a method for clean eating and weight lass, involves
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Speaker 2: adhering to a diet consisting exclusively of vegetable soups for
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Speaker 2: a set duration, typically seven days. Kelsey Costa, a nutrition
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Speaker 2: consultant for diabet is strong ink Toll Parade. So this
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Speaker 2: was like article in an article. In essence, souping is
39:50
Speaker 2: the soup version of a juice cleanse. So she goes
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Speaker 2: on to also say the same things that we just said,
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Speaker 2: they're not wonderful, be careful, don't do this. If you're
39:59
Speaker 2: doing these things, be highly aware of what you're putting
40:02
Speaker 2: into your body and realize if you're still hungry, it's
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Speaker 2: probably not effective.
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Speaker 1: Just great.
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Speaker 2: So they also advised, like other professionals said, this is
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Speaker 2: not a long term thing, meaning yes, less than two
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Speaker 2: weeks at a time. But you know what, we do
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Speaker 2: know that soups can be really good for you. Came back.
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Speaker 2: In fact, we know that when it comes to illnesses
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Speaker 2: like coals or just tummy aches, which I've had, we
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Speaker 2: always turn to some soup. I do. I'm like, yeah,
40:30
Speaker 2: give me, give me some soup. Apparently it was even
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Speaker 2: prescribed as medication in the twelfth century for respiratory tract issues.
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Speaker 2: And guess what, it actually can be beneficial for culs
40:40
Speaker 2: according to doctors and researchers.
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Speaker 1: Here's some information from Pennmedicine dot org. Quote research by
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Speaker 1: Ken Albala, a food historian at the University of the
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Speaker 1: Pacific in California, published research in the journal Studies in
40:54
Speaker 1: History and Philosophy of science parts. Studies in history and
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Speaker 1: philosophy of biological and biomedical sciences suggest that eating soup
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Speaker 1: while you are ill comes from common knowledge and an
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Speaker 1: informal intuition. Albalasa's soup is often the go to food
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Speaker 1: because it can be quote nourishing, restorative, easy to digest,
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Speaker 1: and interestingly liked in both consistency and color, so as
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Speaker 1: not to tax the system excessively. The same recommendation is
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Speaker 1: advised by Melissa Bailey RD, a clinical dietitian at the
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Speaker 1: Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania. Bailey believes there is
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Speaker 1: no one size fits all approach to diet, but says
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Speaker 1: that there is real scientific evidence backing the merits of soup,
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Speaker 1: especially for those with a cold.
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Speaker 2: Right, So, this is the article that I'm talking about
41:39
Speaker 2: in which they kind of go into the comforting level.
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Speaker 2: It actually does change of mood, It does actually help
41:46
Speaker 2: you feel a little better, a kind of that warmth
41:49
Speaker 2: that goes down your throat does ease your sore throats,
41:52
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So they're definitely great truths behind why
41:58
Speaker 2: soups can be really good for you and amazing and
42:02
Speaker 2: perhaps the soup being too nutritious or being associated with
42:06
Speaker 2: sickness and pampering makes it a girly food as well,
42:10
Speaker 2: Like again that whole like mom gave me soup as
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Speaker 2: a child, when I was sick, or when I felt weak,
42:17
Speaker 2: my partner gave me soup. Maybe that's what makes it feminine,
42:20
Speaker 2: Like you know, it's kind of that whole reach the
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Speaker 2: unconscious bias for some reason that you associated with weakness,
42:26
Speaker 2: so therefore it has to be feminine. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm reaching for that, but I don't know if
42:31
Speaker 2: this correlations have anything to do with it. Yes, you
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Speaker 2: can only eat soup if you're sick, dieting, or you're
42:38
Speaker 2: a girl. The one article was titled these foods will
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Speaker 2: make you gay, and they were talking about soup, and
42:45
Speaker 2: that's an article about water, saying you know you're not
42:47
Speaker 2: manly if you eat soup. So his implication was like
42:50
Speaker 2: that you know you're gay if you eat soup. Obviously,
42:54
Speaker 2: unless there's stews or chilies any only chilies. But all
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Speaker 2: that to say, I think soups are delicious. I will
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Speaker 2: come back to let you know if I think chilis
43:06
Speaker 2: are soups or stews. I haven't really thought about this.
43:10
Speaker 2: I will ponder this. I think they are creative and
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Speaker 2: wonderfully diverse. I want some right now. I'm kidding, kind
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Speaker 2: of hungry, So there you go. Let me know. Do
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Speaker 2: you think soup is feminine?
43:27
Speaker 1: Better yet? Do you have souper recipes?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I love good recipe, easy easy, there's piece, y'all.
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Speaker 2: Of course, we didn't talk about the history of soup
43:35
Speaker 2: because we're not safer, but they did talk about the
43:39
Speaker 2: whole like popcn and how that really revolutionized soups as well,
43:44
Speaker 2: So maybe it being easy. I think this conversation about
43:48
Speaker 2: like hit the dude talking about how his wife made soup.
43:52
Speaker 2: I didn't read whether it was homemade soup or she
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Speaker 2: just popped the can. And that's why he's implying that,
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Speaker 2: you know, this is cheating and it is not a
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Speaker 2: full meal because it's not homemade quote unquote.
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Speaker 1: Well, there's also like, separately, I think a lot of
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Speaker 1: people in the US associate soups with an appetizer. Therefore
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Speaker 1: it's not a whole meal. But I think you couldn't
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Speaker 1: have it for the whole meal. But also the history
44:16
Speaker 1: of soup making often required in the early early days,
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Speaker 1: women to stay by the fire or whatever heat source
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Speaker 1: so it would go out. So I think it probably
44:28
Speaker 1: got associated with women that way, and then men and whiches,
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Speaker 1: and then men. There's a long history of men in
44:38
Speaker 1: the West, particularly, I'll say of they are the ones
44:42
Speaker 1: that bring home the meat, the domain of meat. So
44:46
Speaker 1: if soup doesn't have like meat in it, then not
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Speaker 1: not mainly. No, Well, there's a lot to time back here, clearly, clearly,
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Speaker 1: so listeners, if you have any thoughts or recipes, please
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45:05
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