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Sharri | 15 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening tonight, the crisis of morality
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Speaker 2: inflicting the West as the radical left celebrate Charlie Kirk's murder.
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Speaker 2: This is we're learning more about his assassin, a political
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Speaker 2: activist whose boyfriend was transitioning.
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Speaker 1: More on that shortly.
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Speaker 2: Also tonight, Albinizi's weakness on full display as he abandons
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Speaker 2: his electored office to pro Palestinian activists. Josh Fridenberg calls
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Speaker 2: this out and will the coalition finally fire up after
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Speaker 2: its worst ever newspault. I'll discuss this with Brudwan Bishop
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Speaker 2: and Bridget McKenzie shortly, but first tonight. Murdering Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 2: is objectively wrong. I shouldn't need to say that. It's
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Speaker 2: irrelevant whether or not you agree with him. There is
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Speaker 2: objectivity in good and evil, in right and wrong. The
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Speaker 2: political assassination of a bright, brilliant young father, leaving behind
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Speaker 2: a devastated widow and two young children who never get
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Speaker 2: to know their dad, is horrendously wrong.
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Speaker 1: It is evil. It's the epitome of cruelty.
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Speaker 2: Now, in the immediate aftermath of October seven, when some
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Speaker 2: Australians celebrated the barbaric slaughter of one two hundred Jews.
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Speaker 1: We spoke a lot about moral confusion.
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Speaker 2: And I thought this lack of morality was mostly in
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Speaker 2: relation to the Jews, and that it was because of antisemitism.
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Speaker 1: I now see that it's not. This is a sickness.
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Speaker 2: Infecting the radical left and tearing at Western civilization. Now,
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Speaker 2: not everyone was horrified by Charlie Kirk's cruel murder at
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Speaker 2: the age of just thirty one while he was engaging
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Speaker 2: in respectful civil debate. In fact, we've seen an outpouring
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Speaker 2: of celebration from the left.
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Speaker 1: They've lost objective morality.
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Speaker 2: They've abandoned the concept that right and wrong are factual
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Speaker 2: and universal. Instead, they justify, condone, and even endorse acts
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Speaker 2: that are factually evil if it's against someone they ideologically
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Speaker 2: disagree with. We've even seen violence and murder justified. Here's
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Speaker 2: a clip of university students reacting to the news of
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's murder that Chris Kenny played earlier this evening.
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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk got shot and killed.
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Speaker 4: How do you feel happy goodbye to that?
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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk just got shot and killed.
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Speaker 1: That's okod girl. Someone had to do it.
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Speaker 5: He was a disgusting person with disgusting beliefs.
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Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, you got you deserve. I'm sorry, you're
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Speaker 6: a bad person. Bad things happened abad people celebrate it.
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Speaker 6: It should happen more often. Not death necessarily, but like
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Speaker 6: Parma big fan of.
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Speaker 2: It, and musician Bob Villain, who previously called for death
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Speaker 2: to the IDF, was despicable in his clear happiness over
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Speaker 2: the political assassination.
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Speaker 7: The pronouns was were.
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Speaker 1: It's unthinkable in humanity.
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Speaker 2: We've seen a similar callous attitude in Australia, which shows
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Speaker 2: how sick and twisted our society has also become. Radical
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Speaker 2: left activist Clementine Ford did not condemn the violent murder.
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Speaker 1: Of Kirk, who was gunned in the neck. Instead, she
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Speaker 1: said this.
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Speaker 8: There's still this impulse that so many white people have,
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Speaker 8: nice white, progressive, middle class white people have to respond
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Speaker 8: to things like this with these kind of very somber
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Speaker 8: faced violence is never the answer, Like.
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Speaker 9: What the heck are you talking about?
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Speaker 7: What?
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Speaker 9: But just remember he died doing what he loved, defending guns.
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Speaker 9: Took a bullet for the cause, and according to Charlie Kirk,
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Speaker 9: a few deaths a year from guns is a small
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Speaker 9: price to pay to defend the Second Amendment, so what
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Speaker 9: more could he possibly ask for. It's a tribute and
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Speaker 9: legacy to the pointlessness.
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Speaker 1: Of his life. You should be glad that this is
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Speaker 1: how he went out.
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Speaker 2: So insensitive, and she backed this up in writing. She
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Speaker 2: wrote on social media, Charlie Kirk was a piece of
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Speaker 2: s who worshiped the altar of political violence, and I
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Speaker 2: will waste no tears nor time on lamenting his demise.
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Speaker 1: It's beyond appalling. Cheek medius.
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Speaker 2: Hannah Ferguson, who is worshiped by the left of some
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Speaker 2: sort of social justice warrior, posted this on social media.
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Speaker 2: Am I glad Charlie Kirk will no longer spread his
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Speaker 2: extremist messaging?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Do I believe he empowered the violence that ended
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Speaker 1: his life?
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Speaker 10: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Is violence sometimes necessary?
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Speaker 11: Yes?
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Speaker 1: And in a long post, she.
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Speaker 2: Did not condemn political violence, and instead she says there'll
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Speaker 2: be debate about it.
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Speaker 1: She says she felt.
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Speaker 2: Nothing when she first heard of his assassination, and she
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Speaker 2: writes that she does not have any condolence's thoughts or
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Speaker 2: prayers for him. She says she feels no empathy for
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Speaker 2: him and instead will redirect it to people on the
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Speaker 2: margins who she claims he was discriminating against.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you cannot get more morally whopped than that.
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Speaker 2: To think she's been given a platform at the Australian
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Speaker 2: National Press Club is obscene. And by the way, the
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Speaker 2: cheek media post is still up there.
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Speaker 1: It has not been deleted.
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Speaker 2: There was an angry backlash to it, as there should
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Speaker 2: have been, but not from TLNP zoe Zally Stegel, who
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Speaker 2: liked the post. She then tried to explain why she
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Speaker 2: did this. She said, I do not agree with or
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Speaker 2: endorse everything Hannah has written, whilst liking does not equal endorsement.
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Speaker 2: For the avoidance of doubt, I've chosen.
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Speaker 1: To unlike the post.
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Speaker 2: I mean, for someone promising integrity, that is hardly an
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Speaker 2: acceptable explanation. And to think that a man of deep
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Speaker 2: integrity once held the seat of Warringa And now this
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Speaker 2: MP is a woman who liked a post saying that
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Speaker 2: sometimes violence is necessary. And adding to this culture is
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Speaker 2: activist Dabby Chatfield, who a few weeks before Charlie Kirk's
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Speaker 2: murder appeared to call for Americans to kill President Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: Americans, when are you going to do it? Why isn't
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Speaker 1: it already done you?
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Speaker 5: Every day there's another happening, right, awful for your country, awful? Right?
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Speaker 1: Why don't we redirect this energy to something else? You know,
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Speaker 1: there's always in cells that.
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Speaker 12: They go and do you know what would actually make
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Speaker 12: people respect.
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Speaker 9: You a little bit and maybe it won't you is
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Speaker 9: if you did it.
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Speaker 2: I wish the mainstream media would stop giving her soft
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Speaker 2: profile pieces because aren't those comments inciting violence? Isn't that
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Speaker 2: meant to be against the law.
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Speaker 1: Now, there's also.
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Speaker 2: Been horrendous political misinformation over Charlie Kirk's murder.
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Speaker 1: Former long serving.
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Speaker 2: ABC hoster Barry Cassidy claimed on x that the shooter
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Speaker 2: was a far right figure. He wrote to the apparent
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Speaker 2: shooter as a white, straight conservative Mormon from Utah who
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Speaker 2: thought Charlie Kirk wasn't far enough to the right. Trump's
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Speaker 2: analysis is exceptionally embarrassing and dangerous.
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Speaker 1: Even by his standards.
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Speaker 2: Now, Cassidy told The Australian's Media Diary this morning that
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Speaker 2: he had read posts from two people in Utah who
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Speaker 2: claimed the assassin believed Kirk wasn't far enough to the right.
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Speaker 2: Cassidy then told The Australian it would have only been
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Speaker 2: about an hour or two when I went back on
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Speaker 2: Twitter and I read some of the comments, and I
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Speaker 2: realized my sources weren't credible or strong enough, and I
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Speaker 2: immediately deleted the post. What he realized his sources weren't
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Speaker 2: credible enough? Is he seriously referring to random people posting
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Speaker 2: on x as sources.
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Speaker 1: They aren't sources, mate.
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Speaker 2: They are random people posting on social media. A journalistic
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Speaker 2: source is usually a trusted, confidential informant passing on valuable
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Speaker 2: information that's not in the public domain and trusting you,
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Speaker 2: as the journalist, to treat it with sensitivity and not
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Speaker 2: to divulge their identity no matter what, oh what a
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Speaker 2: joke to journalists, and Barry Cassidy is.
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Speaker 1: Naturally, he couldn't have been more wrong.
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Speaker 2: The New York Post reported that Charlie Kirk assassination suspect
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Speaker 2: had furry fixation and his trans boyfriend proclaimed support for
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Speaker 2: Biden on social media. But such is the crisis of
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Speaker 2: morale inflicting the West that a third, yes, a third
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Speaker 2: of US students say violence is an acceptable response to speech.
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Speaker 2: The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expressions surveyed college students,
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Speaker 2: and I quote when asked whether using violence to stop
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Speaker 2: a public speaker on campus is acceptable, only sixty six
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Speaker 2: percent of students responded that the tactic is never acceptable. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: fifteen percent responded that violence is always or sometimes acceptable,
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Speaker 2: with a further nineteen percent saying that it was rarely acceptable,
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Speaker 2: and the combined thirty four percent is a record figure.
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Speaker 2: I wonder what the response would be for Australian students.
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Speaker 2: I'm not optimistic that it would be much better when
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Speaker 2: the pro Palestinian activists refuse to condemn Hamas for their
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Speaker 2: slaughter of Jews, and instead you hear calls for Interfi
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Speaker 2: death to the IDF river to the sea, and Zionism
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Speaker 2: is terrorism.
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Speaker 1: This warped moral confusion.
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Speaker 2: Is a serious threat to civil society and it's in
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Speaker 2: direct contradiction to Western values that underpin it. Now, if
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Speaker 2: the left decides public violence is justified, well, what's.
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Speaker 1: The next step from this?
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Speaker 2: Where does this take us a world where public executions
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Speaker 2: become the norm, where no one who speaks freely and
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Speaker 2: strongly is safe to step out in public for fear
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Speaker 2: of being killed. This is not democracy. It's a terrifying, violent,
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Speaker 2: repressive state, and it's where we seem to be heading
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Speaker 2: towards given the number of recent shootings that have been
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Speaker 2: embraced by many in society. This stems from the radical
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Speaker 2: left's view of the world, where calls for equality have
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Speaker 2: somehow morphed into support for terrorism, and the reaction to
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's horrific and violent assassination should be a wake
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Speaker 2: up call now to the Prime Minister shutting down his
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Speaker 2: electored office. This is the ultimate symbol of Albanesi giving
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Speaker 2: in to the pro Palestinian protesters, giving in to the
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Speaker 2: anger and hatred on our streets instead of confronting it,
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Speaker 2: dealing with it and taking action so that all Australians
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Speaker 2: can continue to function and live our.
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Speaker 1: Lives in peace and safety.
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Speaker 2: And I say safety because it's the Prime Minister who
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Speaker 2: himself who claims that it's too dangerous to continue to
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Speaker 2: operate from his office while the protesters are there.
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Speaker 13: We're looking for a new site. But it basically became
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Speaker 13: untenable for people. It shares a car park with the church,
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Speaker 13: and it became untenable for people to use their own
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Speaker 13: car park at the church.
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Speaker 1: There are people.
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Speaker 13: Being abused going to funerals, you know, and it just
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Speaker 13: does my head in that people think that a cause
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Speaker 13: is advanced by that sort of behavior.
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Speaker 2: And outside Albanese's office there have been scenes like this.
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Speaker 14: Shame shame Albi, Yes, shame Penny Wall, Shame, shame, Penny Wall,
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Speaker 14: can't forget Christmas?
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Speaker 1: Shame, shame prison.
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Speaker 2: Deputy Prime Minister Richard Miles says it's a disgrace and
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Speaker 2: he admitted the protests were intimidating.
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Speaker 11: I think the kind of protests that we've seen outside
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Speaker 11: of the Prime Minister's electual office so the last couple
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Speaker 11: of years have been a complete disgrace. I mean, I
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Speaker 11: think there is an intimatory degree to what's been going
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Speaker 11: on here, but it is appalling behavior that it has
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Speaker 11: resulted in this moment, and I think it's very sad.
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Speaker 1: This is unheard of.
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Speaker 2: It's a total capitulation to the angry mob. A Prime
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Speaker 2: minister who is too weak to take action and so
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Speaker 2: now shuts down his office instead of dealing with the perpetrators,
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Speaker 2: and his office has been effectively closed for nearly two years.
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Speaker 2: Denies Australians the ability to raise issues with their local member.
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Speaker 2: And these activists now, I mean it seems that they
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Speaker 2: think they own our country and they own our streets,
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Speaker 2: and why shouldn't they believe this when authorities don't lift
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Speaker 2: a finger and the law doesn't seem to apply to them.
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Speaker 2: Appropriate Palestinian activist on horseback can gallop across Bondei.
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Speaker 1: Beach and no fine is issued.
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Speaker 2: The premier banned a rally across the Harbor Bridge, but
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Speaker 2: they go ahead anyway with the blessing of a sympathetic judge.
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Speaker 2: Activists come down to Bondei Beach and cause mayhem and
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Speaker 2: social division. In Victoria there have been some one hundred
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Speaker 2: protests at an estimated cost to the taxpayer of seven
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Speaker 2: million dollars, and in Sydney it's estimated to have cost
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Speaker 2: over eleven million. And now the activists have led to
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Speaker 2: the closure of the Prime Minister's electored office. If the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister can't stand up to this mob, then who can.
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Speaker 2: Former Treasurer Josh Friedenberg posed the question on social media
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Speaker 2: today that the force closure of Alberneezy's office due to
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Speaker 2: what he calls aggressive pro Palestinian protesters begs the question
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Speaker 2: who is in charge? Josh says, how do we accept
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Speaker 2: in a democracy that protesters intimidate the PM? To the
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Speaker 2: extent that he is the one who has to pack
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Speaker 2: up stumps.
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Speaker 1: This is what.
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Speaker 2: Happens when you keep giving ground to those who hate
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Speaker 2: and those who harm. It emboldens them. I say to
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Speaker 2: the Deputy Prime Minister, you are right. It is a
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Speaker 2: complete disgrace. But it is you and your government that
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Speaker 2: can do something about it. It is high time those
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Speaker 2: in authority asserted their authority. It has been allowed to
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Speaker 2: go way too far, endangering us all. What brilliant clarity
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Speaker 2: from Josh Fredenbergen. Don't we need him back in politics.
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Speaker 2: It's time authorities took action to protect Australians. These activists
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Speaker 2: now have the ability to ruin our summer by continuing
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Speaker 2: to protest on beaches where families go to enjoy a
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Speaker 2: day in peace and safety. They have the ability to
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Speaker 2: ruin our city because their protests make the CBD a
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Speaker 2: no go zone on the weekend.
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Speaker 1: Enough is enough already.
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Speaker 2: If Albaneze prioritized his constituents over the protesters, he would
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Speaker 2: have had them removed for safety reasons a long time ago,
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Speaker 2: but he chose not to do this. This is the
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Speaker 2: epitome of lawlessness interrupting the functioning of democracy, and Alberzi
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Speaker 2: himself is to blame for not having the strength or
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Speaker 2: courage to handle this issue and ensure.
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Speaker 1: Our streats a safe.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in our Minday panel, former Speaker
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Speaker 2: of the House Bronin Bishop and Sky News host Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both. Look, let's return.
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Speaker 2: To the reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination, and first I'll
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Speaker 2: bring you this a bit more information. Utah's government says
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Speaker 2: that twenty two year old Tyler Robinson, who's accused of
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Speaker 2: killing Kirk, isn't cooperating with authorities. It has emerged that
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Speaker 2: his boyfriend is transgender and is transitioning to be a woman,
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Speaker 2: and this romantic partner.
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Speaker 1: Is a key source.
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Speaker 2: But the partner claims that he's got no idea about
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Speaker 2: the plan. He had no idea about the plan to
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Speaker 2: assassinate Charlie Kirk, Bronwin. The left reaction to this is
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Speaker 2: deeply disturbing.
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Speaker 10: Look, we shouldn't be surprised socialism wants to bring down
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Speaker 10: the order. That we've got extreme socialist whether they're the
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Speaker 10: National Socialists of Germany, or whether they're the Communists under Stalin,
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Speaker 10: or whether they're Marxist Lendinis under Marsi Thong, they kill
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Speaker 10: six million Jews in Germany, ten million Ukrainian staff to
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Speaker 10: death by Russians with mothers feeding human flesh to their children.
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Speaker 10: In China eighty million dead and baby girls dying in
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Speaker 10: the gutter because of the one child policy.
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Speaker 1: That is what they do.
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Speaker 10: And this is an extreme person if he's the one
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Speaker 10: that in fact did it. This is an extreme socialist
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Speaker 10: who has in that tradition killed. Now, the thing that
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Speaker 10: is terrifying is that we are seeing persuasion of what
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Speaker 10: would be perfectly normal people to this sort of cause.
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Speaker 10: What happened to that young man if he's the one
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Speaker 10: going from a scholarship winning student after one SAM to
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Speaker 10: someone who ends up if it's him shooting someone dead. Now,
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Speaker 10: Charlie Kirk was a man who operated in the socratic
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Speaker 10: manner of debate. I'm here to debate anyone so admirable,
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Speaker 10: and he was there in person and vulnerable in the
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Speaker 10: extent that I don't know how a private citizen can
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Speaker 10: be protected.
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Speaker 11: All the time.
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Speaker 10: But the violence that is being allowed in our own
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Speaker 10: country to be exacerbated, and the fact that we've got
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Speaker 10: Australians coming out with the vile words that you showed earlier,
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Speaker 10: and that you've got a sitting member of parliament, a
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Speaker 10: teal claiming to be wanting to be ethical and mightier
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Speaker 10: and higher principle than anybody else. Giving it a like
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Speaker 10: just fills me with absolute disgust.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, and it's evil, it really is.
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Speaker 2: So what most disturbs me, as I just said, is,
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Speaker 2: you know people like this Hannah Ferguson from Cheek Media,
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Speaker 2: debating whether political violence is or isn't necessary and justified.
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Speaker 2: If this is the direction the left is headed, it'll
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Speaker 2: be an unsafe place.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 15: And again when you're saying violence is sometimes justifiable when
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Speaker 15: and to whom? Because these people always picture themselves as
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Speaker 15: the ones who are perpetuating or condoning the violence. They
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Speaker 15: never seem to imagine themselves as perhaps the victims of it.
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Speaker 15: Is violence against women sometimes justified? Is violence against anyone
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Speaker 15: you disagree with? Sometimes, Tul, I read something I don't
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Speaker 15: like in Hannah's website and that enrages me, or hurts me,
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Speaker 15: or hurts someone else, maybe hurts someone lower down the
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Speaker 15: identity politics you know checklist? Are they entitled to commit
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Speaker 15: violence against her? As a privileged white woman. I mean,
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Speaker 15: where who decides when violence is okay? Who decides if
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Speaker 15: Charlie Kirk gets to live or die or who else
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Speaker 15: gets to live? And this is why these extremists and
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Speaker 15: often and the problem is, and this is why we
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Speaker 15: really need to unpack it and expose it is. They
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Speaker 15: don't know they're extremists, but they are.
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Speaker 1: They're the good guys.
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Speaker 15: Freedom fight. So you've had and I've written about this
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Speaker 15: obviously ever since I've done two comms on There'll be more,
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Speaker 15: but you basically had a sort of tripartite split of
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Speaker 15: the left. You had sociopaths, online smart asses who thought
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Speaker 15: it was funny or to mock or to celebrate. Then
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Speaker 15: you had decent people of the center left, the moderate left,
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Speaker 15: who said that this was absolutely shocking and expressed their
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Speaker 15: their grief and sorrow and made the point that violence
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Speaker 15: is never okay. And then you had a third element,
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Speaker 15: which is out and out card carrying hardcore commis, hardcore
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Speaker 15: communist socialists, whatever, who were attacking the moderates for daring
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Speaker 15: to say that someone like Charlie Kirk should have any
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Speaker 15: sympathy to him, or that people should be saying we
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Speaker 15: shouldn't be happy that this per and has been murdered.
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Speaker 15: And I've been attacked by those people as well. They
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Speaker 15: are out there and we have to expose them for
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Speaker 15: what they are, which is nasty, violent people who preach
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Speaker 15: and support death. And if you want it to be
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Speaker 15: a blood sport, if you want politics to be a
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Speaker 15: blood sport, fine.
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Speaker 2: Chip box.
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Speaker 1: You have to understand that this started.
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Speaker 10: If you look at what George Bernard Shaw had to
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Speaker 10: say when it was brought to his attention that six
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Speaker 10: million Jews has been murdered, he said, I have no
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Speaker 10: problem with the killing. I just wish it of being
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Speaker 10: done on the basis of class, not race. Now, when
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Speaker 10: you've got someone of who's an intellectual or said to be,
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Speaker 10: who wrote that nice play Pygmalion, when you've got this
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Speaker 10: sort of history airbrush, you know that there are people
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Speaker 10: who find violence killing acceptable. And this is the sort
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Speaker 10: of this is the sort of attitude that took over
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Speaker 10: in the French Revolution. Whether trembles rolling down the street,
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Speaker 10: it's being chopped off. It's a bloodlust and it has
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Speaker 10: to be nipped in the button that's being And I
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Speaker 10: went no one story outside the Prime Minister's office has
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Speaker 10: to be exactly by the police.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, and there is no leadership or in any of
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Speaker 2: these issues.
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Speaker 1: There's no morality anymore. And in such a world.
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Speaker 15: Ironically, it was the Anglican Church that pro to asked
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Speaker 15: the PM to movie's office. It wasn't the PM himself.
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Speaker 1: I think I wouldn't renew that.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's have a look at And by the way,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to Charlie Kirk and what
24:32
Speaker 2: else we do know about the assassin with Kosher Garda
24:35
Speaker 2: a bit later in the show. But let's turn to
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Speaker 2: newspol today. As you know by now, the coalition's worst
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Speaker 2: ever primary vote a pit of four twenty seven percent,
24:44
Speaker 2: and the two party preferred now has Labor leading by
24:47
Speaker 2: sixteen percent. Susan Lee's approval ratings also minus seventeen percent,
24:53
Speaker 2: about half of voters dissatisfied with her performance. Brun When
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Speaker 2: I'm interested in your advice to the Liberal Party now.
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Speaker 10: Well, Number one, you've got to have policies about which
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Speaker 10: you are passionate. Number two, you've got to be able
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Speaker 10: to articulate it and show leadership in it, and you
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Speaker 10: have to be hungry for government to put those policies
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Speaker 10: in place in ninety, in twenty ten and twenty thirteen
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Speaker 10: when I was part of that front bench, part of
25:22
Speaker 10: being out there to fight to get rid of the
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Speaker 10: carbon tax, to stop the boats, to restore good financial management,
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Speaker 10: we were passionate out on the street every day with
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Speaker 10: a voice saying this is what we have to do
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Speaker 10: and this is why it has to happen, and we
25:38
Speaker 10: were hungry for government. There is no hunger. Opposition can
25:43
Speaker 10: become very comfortable if you wanted to be like the
25:46
Speaker 10: Victorian opposition, they've been there forever being very comfortable and
25:50
Speaker 10: just scribbling about who gets what prize. But to convince
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Speaker 10: people to vote for you, you need passion and that's
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Speaker 10: what the Liberal Party has to get back our position.
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Speaker 10: It doesn't matter if you've got a title of here
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Speaker 10: on the so called front bench, it just doesn't matter.
26:05
Speaker 10: What matters is if you've got something to say, and
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Speaker 10: if you've got something to say, people will invite you
26:11
Speaker 10: to come because they want to hear it. That's why
26:13
Speaker 10: just Sender Price gets invited somewhere. So this's all this
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Speaker 10: chat about. This one was fired off the front bench
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Speaker 10: and somebody else's body who cares have you got something
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Speaker 10: to say. Have you got a passionate point of view
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Speaker 10: with it? Is it good for the Australian people? Is
26:29
Speaker 10: it going to make your life better? That's what you've
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Speaker 10: got to be doing.
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Speaker 2: Robin's right, Joe. The Liberal Party doesn't know what it
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Speaker 2: stands for. There are no policies in any area at all.
26:42
Speaker 1: Reviews and more reviews.
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Speaker 16: Ye.
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Speaker 5: So.
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Speaker 15: Bob Dylan was once asked in a famous Playboy interview
26:47
Speaker 15: if he still believe in the cause for peace, and
26:49
Speaker 15: he said, what do you mean do I believe in peace?
26:53
Speaker 15: Or why do I believe in the cause for peace?
26:54
Speaker 15: And so we talk about passion, Well, passion for what?
26:57
Speaker 15: So passion for what? Policy? You have to have a
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Speaker 15: policy out there. And this is where the Liberals are
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Speaker 15: absolutely stuck well, because if they moved to the middle,
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Speaker 15: the conservative wing will destroy them, as they're destroying Susan
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Speaker 15: Lee and she's you know, she's not going to survive
27:10
Speaker 15: to the next election. And if they moved to the rump,
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Speaker 15: then they alienate the right.
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Speaker 10: The middle has been dragged into the left wing gutter
27:20
Speaker 10: and there has to be And I know what I
27:24
Speaker 10: believe in. I'm a liberal, I know what I believe
27:27
Speaker 10: in I believe in friends, I believe in small business. Yes,
27:30
Speaker 10: people do believe in they do believe in people being
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Speaker 10: prosperous and getting Because there was no campaign, Joe, none
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Speaker 10: of the vote. Peter Dublin was said to have by
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Speaker 10: freshers by whatever policy saying it and then the whole
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Speaker 10: thing collapsed.
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Speaker 15: What happened it was so what happens organizationally a shambles,
27:56
Speaker 15: But it was also like the policy work hadn't been done.
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Speaker 15: People didn't like new I'm not act in nuclear but
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Speaker 15: these driving public.
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Speaker 1: They didn't either.
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Speaker 10: They didn't even go out and campaign for it.
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Speaker 1: It was a statement that dangling on.
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Speaker 2: There were a variety of other issues as well. There's
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Speaker 2: labor Scare campaign, community the labor Scare campaign, major mishaps
28:16
Speaker 2: and working from home migrants and of course Donald Trump's
28:19
Speaker 2: election had.
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Speaker 1: An impact as well. Roman Bishop, great to have you
28:22
Speaker 1: as Joey around. All right, and we're going to.
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Speaker 2: Turn to the immigration topic now because as you saw
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Speaker 2: just amazing footage, the UK erupted over the weekend with
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Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of people, I mean potentially a million.
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Speaker 1: There's dispute about.
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Speaker 2: The numbers they descended on central London to protest mass immigration.
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Speaker 2: Some even called this the first spark of a cultural revolution.
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk addressed the crowd via videolink. He called for
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Speaker 2: the dissolution of the British Parliament if nothing is done
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Speaker 2: to address immigration.
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Speaker 9: Have a look.
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Speaker 3: I really think there's got to be a change of
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Speaker 3: government in Britain and you can't. We don't have another
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Speaker 3: four years or whatever the next election is. It's too large.
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Speaker 3: Something's got to be done. There's got to be a
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Speaker 3: the solution of parliament and a new vote.
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Speaker 2: Help and joining me now is Spiked Online editor Tom Slater, Tom,
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Speaker 2: thanks for your time. Look, what can you tell us
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Speaker 2: about the true size of this protest and also the
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Speaker 2: type of people who attended it, because it has been
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Speaker 2: described by some as far right extremists.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, in terms of the numbers, it's almost impossible to tell.
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Speaker 4: I mean, there's always a kind of war of words
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Speaker 4: over the size of these kinds of demonstrations. The media,
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Speaker 4: the mainstream media, primarily going with the figure about one
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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty thousand. I think a lot of people
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Speaker 4: who are on that demonstration would say that it felt
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Speaker 4: a lot bigger than that, But Ultimately, we don't really know.
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Speaker 4: One thing that I do know because I was there
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Speaker 4: reporting four spikes on the event, just to talk to
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Speaker 4: people to get the measure of where they're coming from.
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Speaker 4: It's undeniable that there will be racists, far extremists who
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Speaker 4: will have glonded on to this particular demonstration. There's been
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Speaker 4: quotes from them in other media outlets. But to a
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Speaker 4: man and woman, everyone I spoke to on that day
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Speaker 4: essentially said some version that some riff on this answer,
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Speaker 4: which is that we're concerned about immigration, we're not far right,
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Speaker 4: we're not racist. If people want to come here, it's
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Speaker 4: not about color or creed or what have you. It's
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Speaker 4: just that the country is in a bad place. Illegal
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Speaker 4: immigration in particular is out of control, and they wanted
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Speaker 4: to come here today to London to make that point.
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Speaker 4: So I do not deny, I dismiss the idea that
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Speaker 4: there are clearly going to be elements who will want
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Speaker 4: to come along to something like this to preach genuine hatred.
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Speaker 4: But in terms of the you do not get that
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Speaker 4: many people in Britain out on the streets if they
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Speaker 4: are all to a man and woman, extremists and far right,
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Speaker 4: that seems to me a nonsense proposition, and certainly not
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Speaker 4: the impacts and not the impression that I got from
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Speaker 4: speaking people speaking to people.
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Speaker 2: That we saw that there were some violent clashes. About
30:58
Speaker 2: twenty three people I think were arrested. There were some
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Speaker 2: police who were injured as well. You know, can you
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Speaker 2: tell us a bit about this and also what's your
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Speaker 2: view on the controversial organizer Tommy Robinson, who Elon Musk
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Speaker 2: supports but I noticed hasn't really been given any platforming
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Speaker 2: in the mainstream media in Britain.
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Speaker 4: So in terms of the violence, I mean, that's obviously
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Speaker 4: absolutely despicable. Obviously there's going to be some measure of
31:29
Speaker 4: problems when you've got that many people out in the streets,
31:32
Speaker 4: but there's nothing that justifies fighting with police, brawling with police.
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Speaker 4: There's always been an element, certainly to some of the
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Speaker 4: movement behind Tommy Robinson, because the original English Defense League
31:43
Speaker 4: are much more a much smaller and more divisive shall
31:47
Speaker 4: we say, incarnation of his essentially emerged out of football hooliganism.
31:51
Speaker 4: So there is always going to be that kind of
31:53
Speaker 4: element of people who are going to show up to
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Speaker 4: these things looking for a fight. I think Robinson is
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Speaker 4: by any stretch of the nation a very divisive figure
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Speaker 4: in the UK. I think that's fair to say. There
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Speaker 4: are a lot of people, particularly amongst the working class,
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Speaker 4: who see them as someone who's giving voice to their
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Speaker 4: frustrations about immigration or Islam or whatever. But still, you know,
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Speaker 4: if you poll people across the country, it's something about
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Speaker 4: ten to twelve to thirteen percent of people we've got
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Speaker 4: something positive to say about him. So it's one of
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Speaker 4: those things where what's clear though, is that whilst, to
32:22
Speaker 4: put it lightly, is someone who's got a checkered history,
32:25
Speaker 4: there is clearly an attempt on his part to kind
32:27
Speaker 4: of moderate, to kind of stress that this is about
32:29
Speaker 4: bringing everyone together. People can make up their own mis
32:32
Speaker 4: as to how much they believe that is one hundred
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Speaker 4: percent true. But if you look at why I think
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Speaker 4: so many people are being attracted these demonstrations, it is
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Speaker 4: not because of the negative or questionable things in Tommy
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Speaker 4: Robinson's past or present. I think it's because they do
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Speaker 4: genuinely want to express their concerns about where the nation
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Speaker 4: is going, and I think is what attracting them, not
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Speaker 4: the more unsavory things in Robinson's past.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, Tom Slater, thank you so much for
32:57
Speaker 2: joining us.
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Speaker 1: Now still to come.
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Speaker 2: Who is the man accused of assassinating Charlie kirk Moor
33:02
Speaker 2: and Tyler Robinson? A bit later with Koshagada and Albinizi
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Speaker 2: Sprooks the Islamophobia Envoy's new report, yet still no action
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Speaker 2: on anti Semitism. Bridget mackenzie would join me next.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back well.
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Speaker 2: On Friday afternoon, Albanesi's Special Envoy for combating Islamophobia, Aftab Malik,
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Speaker 2: released a report with fifty four recommendations, which include review
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Speaker 2: and counter terror laws to examine whether they discriminate against
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Speaker 2: Muslim Australians.
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Speaker 1: Counter terror laws.
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Speaker 2: Compulsory religious sensitivity training for all federal police, banning religious
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Speaker 2: discrimination and punishing federal politicians for engaging in hate speech.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has welcomed this report.
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Speaker 16: The targeting of Australians based on their religious beliefs is
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Speaker 16: not only an attack on them, but it's an attack
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Speaker 16: on our core values. We must stamp out the hate,
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Speaker 16: fear and prejudice that drives Islamophobia and division in our society.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is treating anti Semitism and Islamophobia as
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Speaker 2: though there's an equivalent problem in Australia when we know
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Speaker 2: categorically that there's not now to discuss joining Minow's National
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Speaker 2: Senator Bridget Mackenzie Bridget, great to see you again. Now,
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Speaker 2: this notion, one of the recommendations of punishing politicians if
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Speaker 2: they are seen to be anti Palestinian is highly alarming,
34:37
Speaker 2: especially when it could be misconstrued against those raising concerns
34:41
Speaker 2: about her mus Do you think this recommendation would be
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Speaker 2: a way a severe way of stifling free speech.
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Speaker 12: Great to be with you, Shari, and I'd like to
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Speaker 12: know who's going to determine what hate speech looks like
34:56
Speaker 12: and sounds like when it comes to this particular red commendation.
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Speaker 12: We all want a country where those of us of
35:04
Speaker 12: faith can practice our religion free of persecution and violence.
35:11
Speaker 12: But practicing our faith and educating our children in our
35:14
Speaker 12: faith shouldn't mean that from Pulpits or Minbars you're able
35:19
Speaker 12: to incite violence against fellow Australians, denigrade our country or
35:23
Speaker 12: indeed our way of life. And so we have to
35:25
Speaker 12: be very very careful with this report and the style
35:30
Speaker 12: of recommendations that have been handled down because it seems
35:35
Speaker 12: on the face of it to assume that our security forces,
35:39
Speaker 12: our police forces, and our politicians are not treating Muslim
35:45
Speaker 12: Australians the same as they treat everybody else. So I
35:49
Speaker 12: think there are some concerns. Hopefully, though, this will mean
35:53
Speaker 12: that the PM will actually act on Jillian Siegel's report,
35:56
Speaker 12: which has been sitting on his desk for a while now, Shari,
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Speaker 12: we all want to see those recommendations adopted and acted on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, A, nine of her recommendation. Nine of her recommendations
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Speaker 2: were from our antisemitism summit.
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Speaker 1: Back in February.
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Speaker 2: I don't think I have no faith the federal government
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Speaker 2: will act. And you know, by the way, and that
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Speaker 2: point about hate speech, I would like to hear what
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Speaker 2: the Islamophobia Envoy has to say about the so called
36:20
Speaker 2: hate preachers who regularly say exactly highly offensive things about Jews,
36:26
Speaker 2: but yet no one stops them. There is seems to
36:29
Speaker 2: be no law in this country.
36:31
Speaker 1: It's bizarre.
36:33
Speaker 2: On another topic, we saw Climate and Energy Minister Chris
36:36
Speaker 2: Bowen out parading the findings of the Federal government's climate
36:39
Speaker 2: risk assessment this weekend.
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Speaker 13: Here he was this report is a reminder if we
36:45
Speaker 13: needed oneever, but the cost of inaction will always outweigh
36:49
Speaker 13: the cost of action.
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Speaker 2: Bridget do you agree with that the cost of inaction
36:53
Speaker 2: will always outweigh the cost of action?
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Speaker 12: No, I don't, Shari, and I would like the government
37:01
Speaker 12: to be upfront and honest with the Australian people about
37:04
Speaker 12: what the cost of action under them actually looks like.
37:08
Speaker 12: They've been very shady about what the transition with their
37:13
Speaker 12: aggressive targets looks like. We already know the social, economic
37:18
Speaker 12: and environmental impact in regional communities that are dealing with
37:22
Speaker 12: a lot of the transmission rollout. But whether you look
37:25
Speaker 12: at the drop in manufacturing down to I think six
37:28
Speaker 12: percent of our GDP businesses moving off shore, smelters, refineries,
37:33
Speaker 12: not to mention household bills.
37:35
Speaker 1: The cost of Labour's.
37:36
Speaker 12: Plan is excessive and I think it's time for them
37:40
Speaker 12: to be upfront. Net zero was never going to be
37:43
Speaker 12: net zero cost and I think Bowen's simply warming us up,
37:48
Speaker 12: pardon the pun, for quite aggressive emission target changes that
37:52
Speaker 12: they'll be announcing in coming weeks.
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Speaker 1: They need to be upfront, Yeah, exactly, they need.
37:58
Speaker 2: To target least this week, even I've heard some speculate so,
38:03
Speaker 2: and they are meant to be very ambitious or aggressive
38:08
Speaker 2: depending on how.
38:09
Speaker 1: You look at it. Just to say aggressive just.
38:14
Speaker 2: To Newsport Now, I heard Barnaby Joyce making some good
38:17
Speaker 2: points on Sunrise today.
38:19
Speaker 1: He said that the Coalition needs to pick.
38:21
Speaker 2: Three major issues to campaign against Labor and then he
38:24
Speaker 2: said the Coalition needs to put its best team on
38:28
Speaker 2: the paddock.
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Speaker 1: Here he is.
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Speaker 15: Put your best team on the paddock. Look at on files,
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Speaker 15: not not your best mates. Put your best team on
38:36
Speaker 15: the paddock.
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Speaker 5: Can follow through that.
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Speaker 2: So he made the comparison there to if it was
38:41
Speaker 2: a Grand Final, you need your best team, not the
38:44
Speaker 2: best mates.
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Speaker 1: Do you agree with him?
38:46
Speaker 2: Do you think that the coalition that the the leader,
38:50
Speaker 2: Susan Lee or maybe your leader has put forward people
38:53
Speaker 2: their mates with rather than the best performers.
38:57
Speaker 12: Well, I'm not going to commentate Shari on the leaders
39:01
Speaker 12: irrespective of when Barnaby was leader, David Little, Proud, Leader
39:05
Speaker 12: Susan Lee, Peter Dutton, they all make the choice of
39:08
Speaker 12: who they want on their front bench. But we are
39:11
Speaker 12: all part of a larger team. And I think Barnaby
39:14
Speaker 12: was dead right on takeking it up to Labor on
39:19
Speaker 12: key issues immigration, defense, how we have a lower mission's
39:23
Speaker 12: economy that's not going to kill our economy. At the
39:27
Speaker 12: same time, these are the things that Australians need and
39:30
Speaker 12: want us to differentiate on, to have a different plan
39:33
Speaker 12: and vision for our country for and to be upfront
39:37
Speaker 12: and honest with them. That's our challenge. I think the
39:41
Speaker 12: news poll results this morning obviously show that it was
39:45
Speaker 12: a bad week for the.
39:46
Speaker 1: Liberals last week.
39:47
Speaker 12: Now they've put an end to that and let's hope
39:50
Speaker 12: we can all ruck down to continue the sporting parlance
39:54
Speaker 12: and get on with winning the Grand Final.
39:56
Speaker 1: But very quickly.
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Speaker 2: You need policies. You admit that you need to get
40:01
Speaker 2: policies out there. I mean there are none.
40:05
Speaker 12: Well, Shahi with the National Party have fought hard for
40:08
Speaker 12: four policies that we want that are still on the table,
40:12
Speaker 12: nuclear power, divestiture for supermarkets, a twenty billion dollar regional
40:17
Speaker 12: futures fund to assist with our communities going through Labour's transition,
40:23
Speaker 12: and indeed tellercommunications. Now will we need to be working
40:27
Speaker 12: hard on policies overcoming months. Of course we will, and
40:30
Speaker 12: I think Australians want us to get into the community
40:33
Speaker 12: and speak to them rather than sort of a more
40:35
Speaker 12: top down approach.
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Speaker 1: All right, the past Bridget McKenzie. Always great to have
40:39
Speaker 1: you on the show. Thanks for your time.
40:41
Speaker 2: Now still to come, Labor plays fast and loose with
40:43
Speaker 2: the truth on defense spending. Peter Jennings will break down
40:47
Speaker 2: the spin, plus more on the alleged assassin responsible for
40:50
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's murder.
40:52
Speaker 1: Koshergata will be here after the break.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back and more and Charlie Kirk's assassin. Now we
41:01
Speaker 2: know the suspect. Tyler Robinson is a twenty two year
41:04
Speaker 2: old Utah native. According to his family, he'd become more
41:08
Speaker 2: political in recent years. He was living with his transgender partner,
41:12
Speaker 2: a man transitioning to be a woman. To discuss Sky
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Speaker 2: News contributor Koshagata is here.
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Speaker 1: Good to see you in person.
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Speaker 2: Can you tell me a bit more about Tyler Robinson
41:24
Speaker 2: what has emerged so far?
41:26
Speaker 5: So He is twenty two years old, as you mentioned,
41:28
Speaker 5: grew up in sort of a stable middle class family.
41:31
Speaker 5: By all accounts to parent household fairly conservative, even some
41:34
Speaker 5: reports were out there like that, which is what's shocking
41:37
Speaker 5: to a lot of people that he sort of went
41:38
Speaker 5: off to college and completely went off the deep end. Allegedly. Reportedly,
41:42
Speaker 5: he is his roommate and somebody who's involved with romantically
41:46
Speaker 5: reportedly is this transgender a boy transitioning into being a woman,
41:51
Speaker 5: and is also part of this furry culture, I should
41:55
Speaker 5: say subculture. And I'm sure he went down a rabbit
41:57
Speaker 5: hole that I thought I had that I would remember
41:59
Speaker 5: because I have not to go down. It's a whole
42:02
Speaker 5: other because the inscriptions that he had on the casings
42:05
Speaker 5: of the three bullets, one of them is this weird
42:07
Speaker 5: meme that's apparently a thing in that culture that nobody
42:10
Speaker 5: else would know about.
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Speaker 1: So there's some weird find how audience.
42:13
Speaker 5: What that means, It basically means from what I understand,
42:18
Speaker 5: that it's people who have some kind of attraction sexual
42:21
Speaker 5: attraction to anthropomorphic animals. That's basically, at the high level
42:25
Speaker 5: what it is. And those words or memes that were
42:27
Speaker 5: on the bullet casings are some sort of nod to that.
42:31
Speaker 5: And there's photos of the roommate in that kind of
42:33
Speaker 5: like animal sort of garb. So it's very weird, to
42:37
Speaker 5: say the least, that's the best word I can think of. Interestingly,
42:39
Speaker 5: the roommate is actually cooperating with the FBI. Rius Tyler
42:42
Speaker 5: is not, so there's lots of sensational details there, between
42:46
Speaker 5: the father turning him in or being setting off the
42:48
Speaker 5: chain of events and led to him turning in, the
42:50
Speaker 5: roommate that he's in a relationship with, cooperating with the FBI.
42:53
Speaker 5: That's the whole thing is. Feels like a very bad
42:56
Speaker 5: movie script, I.
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Speaker 2: Think, and a bit of online gaming culture apparently referenced
43:00
Speaker 2: as well. Support for Biden seemed to have come up
43:03
Speaker 2: in some comments on chat rooms.
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Speaker 5: Yep, he was in these reddit discord. These are these
43:09
Speaker 5: corners of the Internet where stereotypically people there are maybe antisocial,
43:14
Speaker 5: spend lots and lots of hours out in these virtual
43:17
Speaker 5: worlds playing games and talking to people online and not
43:19
Speaker 5: maybe interacting with real human beings. Tend to do that,
43:22
Speaker 5: at least that's the stereotype, and he spent a lot
43:24
Speaker 5: of time in there. The FBI supposed lyast going through
43:28
Speaker 5: megabytes and megabytes of chat logs to try and piece
43:31
Speaker 5: together who else was involved or maybe new in some
43:34
Speaker 5: way or ginned up this type of hatred, and it
43:38
Speaker 5: might be a broader case in that sense, beyond just him.
43:42
Speaker 2: Now the President has confirmed that he will be attending
43:46
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's funeral. There's also a public memorial plant.
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Speaker 5: It's really been fascinating where so many memorial services are
43:54
Speaker 5: just popping up organically around the country, across the world.
43:58
Speaker 5: There was something of the Kennedy Center. Trump of course
44:00
Speaker 5: took over today and many people in the Cabinet and
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Speaker 5: in Congress gave beautiful eulogies. And then there's going to
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Speaker 5: be this huge sixty thousand capacity stadium State Farm Stadium
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Speaker 5: that's going to have his memorial service where he'll speak.
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Speaker 5: This one obviously for all the reasons, it's really it
44:15
Speaker 5: feels like a switch has flipped. I think in the
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Speaker 5: culture there's a palpable change that's happened with how people
44:21
Speaker 5: are galvanizing. All major sporting events are giving moments of
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Speaker 5: silence for him. It's really transcending into the culture more broadly.
44:28
Speaker 5: And then on top of that, he was a friend
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Speaker 5: personally to Trump, to Vice President Vance who carried the
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Speaker 5: coffin along with the other armed military members who did that,
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Speaker 5: So it's very personal for them, and I think they
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Speaker 5: will be there and give eulogies, and this is going
44:43
Speaker 5: to go on for some time.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the fallout has it's been so shocking every
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Speaker 2: day and you wake up and you think about what happened,
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Speaker 2: and you replay the image, the graphic image in your mind,
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Speaker 2: and you think, how close the president came to this
44:58
Speaker 2: same fate. I think we haven't really properly comprehended that
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Speaker 2: as a society, how close the president came to being killed.
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Speaker 5: So true, And the visual aspect of it in this
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Speaker 5: world that we live in, where you're in public events
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Speaker 5: and there's a million smartphones recording it, that footage, even
45:15
Speaker 5: if people censor it or blurre it lead, it's out
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Speaker 5: there and once you see it, you can unsee it.
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Speaker 5: I will never unsee it. And that would have possibly
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Speaker 5: been the President's feet in front of the entire world.
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Speaker 2: Now, early on, we saw anti submit it conspiracy theories
45:30
Speaker 2: pop up, not just occasional, but tens of thousands of
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Speaker 2: posts saying that Israel and Mossad killed Charlie Kirk. Now, obviously,
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Speaker 2: I feel like I should just say this for the record,
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Speaker 2: that Charlie Kirk was a strong supporter of Israel.
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Speaker 1: He'd spoken with.
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Speaker 2: Ned and Yahu the week before his death. I understand it,
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Speaker 2: he'd invited him to come back to Israel again. And
45:49
Speaker 2: yet you know that these lies just spread online. X
45:54
Speaker 2: put out a statement saying we will continue to stand
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Speaker 2: against violence and censorship, ensuring this platform amplifies truth.
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Speaker 1: An open dialogue forever.
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Speaker 2: But that's not truth, it's feeding dangerous conspiracies.
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Speaker 5: I think there's a couple of things going on. So
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Speaker 5: one is trust in the FBI is at an all
46:12
Speaker 5: time low. I woulday it's less than zero with half
46:13
Speaker 5: the country on the right, where they're just not seen
46:16
Speaker 5: to be doing things quickly. We still don't have answers
46:19
Speaker 5: for so many things, from the Epstein files to details
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Speaker 5: on Butler and the assassination to Steven Paddock and everything else.
46:25
Speaker 5: So when there's a void or the public is not
46:27
Speaker 5: satisfied with that, theories and conspiracy theories fill. I think
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Speaker 5: the second dynamic is gen Z. Unfortunately, they really are
46:36
Speaker 5: on a different plane when it comes to Israel and
46:38
Speaker 5: their view about that, So it's almost these conspiracy theories
46:40
Speaker 5: are pre sold to them, where they're looking for any
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Speaker 5: scenario that can sort of tarnish that point of view.
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Speaker 1: It's a big shift.
46:47
Speaker 5: Does a baby boomers age out of the population and
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Speaker 5: this generation is very, very different. That's sort of like
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Speaker 5: a hotbed that's ready to go. And then anything like this,
46:56
Speaker 5: can you just sort of light a mat stick and
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Speaker 5: it tends to take off in little corners of the internet.
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Speaker 1: Will continue. Grazie gresha gard. It's so good to have
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Speaker 1: you here in Sydney. Thanks say wise, thank you.
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Speaker 2: Now still to come is the Albanesi government using an
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Speaker 2: odd metric to claim they're spending more on defense.
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Speaker 1: That's after this quick break.
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Speaker 2: Well, in breaking news, Israeli Prime Minister the Benjamin Netanyahu
47:21
Speaker 2: and US Secretary of State Marco Rubio are holding a
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Speaker 2: press conference right now as we speak. Rubio has said
47:27
Speaker 2: that Trump is committed to the goals of eliminating hamas
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Speaker 2: and bringing the hostages home.
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Speaker 1: So that is ongoing at the moment. I'll bring you
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Speaker 1: more details tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: But now let's bring in Strategic Analysis Australia Director Peter Jennings.
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Speaker 1: Peter, great to see you.
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Speaker 2: Look, we've seen the Albanzi government announce a twelve billion
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Speaker 2: dollar investment to upgrade a WA shipguard shipyard needed for Orcus.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this seems like a play to appease
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Speaker 2: the White House ahead of Albanese is likely first meeting
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Speaker 2: with Trump.
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Speaker 17: Well, it's interesting that all these announcements are coming now.
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Speaker 17: But in fact, what the government is doing is announcing
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Speaker 17: some spending initiatives, in some cases years after they've announced
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Speaker 17: what they're spending those things on. So amphibious ships for
48:17
Speaker 17: the army, a new frigate for the navy, all of
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Speaker 17: those announcements have been made several times. Now we're getting
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Speaker 17: a bit of an inkling about well, here's what it's
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Speaker 17: really going to cost. And that's where the twelve billion
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Speaker 17: dollars comes in. And can I say, Shari, it's twelve
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Speaker 17: billion dollars over a decade, so more like one point
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Speaker 17: two billion dollars a year. And in fact, most of
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Speaker 17: that won't even begun to be spent in this term
48:42
Speaker 17: of office because Labor has preliminary studies that it wants
48:46
Speaker 17: to do first. So there's a lot of flim flame
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Speaker 17: in these numbers.
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Speaker 2: So Deven's Minister Richard Miles is claiming that Labor will
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Speaker 2: spend two point eight percent of GDP on defense. Now
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Speaker 2: is this metric the core to one or is he
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Speaker 2: being a bit fast and loose?
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Speaker 17: Fast and loose? I mean, look, I've followed the debate
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Speaker 17: around defense spending and what's comparable between US and the
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Speaker 17: NATO countries. For decades, I have never heard it said
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Speaker 17: that Australia somehow counts its defense spending differently. And now
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Speaker 17: Richard Miles claims to have found about zero point eight
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Speaker 17: of one percent of the national economy. That's over twenty
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Speaker 17: billion dollars, which apparently he now thinks, well, we really
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Speaker 17: are spending it, if only we counted it like the
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Speaker 17: Europeans do. It's just a pea and thimball tree. If
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Speaker 17: there is any basis to Richard Miles's contention here, he
49:40
Speaker 17: should set that out so that we can all see
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Speaker 17: it understand what NATO counts that we apparently don't, because
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Speaker 17: I've never heard of this difference before, and I think,
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Speaker 17: frankly it's mostly being invented.
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Speaker 2: Most likely to appease the Americans so that Albaneze can
49:55
Speaker 2: have an easy first meeting with They're not.
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Speaker 17: That silly Shari. I mean, the American can count these
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Speaker 17: things just as well as anyone else. They're the ones
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Speaker 17: who are saying we should spend three point five. They
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Speaker 17: keep a forensic eye on what NATO spends and what
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Speaker 17: these things mean.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Peter Jennings, sorry, were so sure great to see
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Speaker 2: you and everyone.
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Speaker 1: I'll be back tomorrow night at eight.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your company this evening, and stay
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Speaker 2: tuned because Pal Murray is here in the man Cave.
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Speaker 4: Here he is