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The Unabomber Manifesto · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Winter Insurance. I'm true truth, I'm a checktut with good
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  Speaker 1: thing is Hey?
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  Speaker 2: Everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm your host. Adam
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  Speaker 2: Todd Brown joining me is co host. This week Connor's back.
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  Speaker 2: How's it going?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 4: Doing good?
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  Speaker 2: Also joining us. We had a guest this week. Dave
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  Speaker 2: waits here. Dave, how's it going?
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  Speaker 3: Hey? Man? How you doing good? To be here?
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  Speaker 2: And we are talking about some ship. Me and Connor
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  Speaker 2: threatened to do this episode a few weeks ago, and
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  Speaker 2: now we are following through on that threat. We're talking
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  Speaker 2: about the unibomber Man Festo, which I had never read,
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  Speaker 2: despite hating the government vehemently.
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  Speaker 4: And I had always heard it was good and just
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  Speaker 4: kind of assumed it was good, and i'd heard the
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  Speaker 4: same summary of it that everyone else has. But when
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  Speaker 4: you dig a little deeper, it's pretty bad. Shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not good. It's not good at all. Dave,
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  Speaker 2: had you ever read it before this?
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  Speaker 3: M M? Now I had watched. I watched a couple
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  Speaker 3: of years ago. There was a show. It was called
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  Speaker 3: a man hunt, not not to be confused with man
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  Speaker 3: hunters on Netflix.
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  Speaker 4: This was like a man tracker on A and E.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a and e right.
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  Speaker 4: Man Tracker is a whole different show. It's just about
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  Speaker 4: a man who tracks other men.
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  Speaker 3: But it had Sam Worthington, which in my mind, I
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  Speaker 3: can't separate him and Eric Panna. They are maybe the
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  Speaker 3: same guy. They're both mid They're mid as fuck. And
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  Speaker 3: then Paul Bettany was Ted Kaczinski, which you know he's
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  Speaker 3: a good actor. I like him. Yeah, that was the
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  Speaker 3: first time I really had a deep dive in the
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  Speaker 3: Ted Kazenk world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't super familiar. I feel like I maybe
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  Speaker 2: did watch Manhunt. But I also feel like I might
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  Speaker 2: have been like super duper high and I just don't
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  Speaker 2: remember it. But I feel like I watched it. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm the same. I had heard for years and years
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  Speaker 2: and years that man the Unibomber Manifesto, it really is
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  Speaker 2: a better read than you would expect, and I disagree.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's pretty fucking stupid.
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  Speaker 4: It's the subject of one of my favorite that Drew
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  Speaker 4: Michael jokes. He says, what do you do when you
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  Speaker 4: read the Unibomber Manifesto and you find out it's pretty good?
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's uncomfortable, you know, to be that guy
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  Speaker 4: at the party who's like, hey, well, you know, he
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  Speaker 4: should really read his Ted Kazinski stuff, the early stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And uh now, now I gotta wonder if Drew Drew
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  Speaker 4: Michael even finished it, because I don't think he's a
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  Speaker 4: white supremacist.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. It gets really white supremacy pretty quick.
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  Speaker 2: Even the opening I found kind of stupid, where he's
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  Speaker 2: talking about how and we're getting way ahead, because I
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  Speaker 2: do want to talk about some of the bombings also,
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  Speaker 2: but it just came off to me. Sometimes people are
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  Speaker 2: too smart to realize how dumb they sound, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that's kind of what's going on with the Unibomber manifesto.
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  Speaker 2: This dude is just so high level intelligent that he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't realize he's just spitting like white supremacist words salad
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  Speaker 2: at us.
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  Speaker 4: This is like the guy that the phrase lost in
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  Speaker 4: the sauce was invented to describe. He is so lost
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  Speaker 4: in his own sauce that he forgets his one half
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  Speaker 4: good idea about the industrialization and completely just spins out
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  Speaker 4: into these just like thought fractals. I don't even know
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  Speaker 4: how to describe him. It's almost unreadable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, even the ideas in it that are good are
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  Speaker 2: just like kind of the most basic talking points, Like
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  Speaker 2: he gets into AI at one point and it's like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: no shit, AI is going to take our jobs. Didn't
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  Speaker 2: need to go to fucking MIT to learn that, pal
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  Speaker 2: Like everyone fucking knows that.
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  Speaker 4: Leah, my eight year old neighbor, could have told me that.
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  Speaker 3: I did this joke recently. If you end up writing
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  Speaker 3: a manifesto and you're also pooping in a bucket, maybe
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  Speaker 3: you need to go back to the manifesto and maybe
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  Speaker 3: the ideas aren't that great. If you got a poop bucket,
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  Speaker 3: your manifesto probably isn't cutting the snuff. You know.
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  Speaker 4: That should be an official conspiracy show rule of thumbs,
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  Speaker 4: the poop bucket rule.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you got jars a p around your room,
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  Speaker 3: you're not ready to be published.
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  Speaker 4: You don't know how to fix the universe.
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  Speaker 3: It's not time to be peer reviewed.
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  Speaker 2: So let's talk about some of the bombings. The first
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  Speaker 2: bomb was found May twenty fifth, nineteen seventy eight. It
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  Speaker 2: was left on the campus of the University of Illinois
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  Speaker 2: at Chicago, but with a Northwestern University return address, so
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  Speaker 2: someone picked it up and returned it to Northwestern and
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  Speaker 2: it exploded there, causing minor damage. Fun sidebar. When my
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  Speaker 2: father died, he was at University of Illinois at Chicago
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  Speaker 2: Hospital and one night me and my sister were getting
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  Speaker 2: ready to go back to our hotel and we were like, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so we're just going to walk back to the hotel,
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  Speaker 2: and the nurses were like, no, you are not going
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  Speaker 2: to fucking walk to that hotel. So we took a
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  Speaker 2: three block cab ride to our hotel from the University
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  Speaker 2: of Illinois, Chicago because it was in a treacherous neighborhood
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  Speaker 2: that I'm sure has been fucking steamrolled and gentrified by now.
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  Speaker 4: Adam, I thought you said this fact would be fun.
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  Speaker 4: I'm scared.
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  Speaker 2: So there was another bomb placed in a room at
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  Speaker 2: Northwestern a year later, May ninth, nineteen seventy nine.
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  Speaker 4: Really foreshadowing his hatred of professors.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did seem to have it out for professor types,
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  Speaker 2: which even in the manifesto it doesn't really tie into
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  Speaker 2: his problems with industrialization.
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  Speaker 4: Not really. It reads much more like an Adam Carolla
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  Speaker 4: Dennis Prager like like fucking indictment of safe spaces than anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that and this guy really wants you to have
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  Speaker 2: to fight for your food, which I don't know. This
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  Speaker 2: feels like the government wrote it.
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  Speaker 4: Getting ahead of ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: You think the government wrote the Unibaumer manifesto. There's actually
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  Speaker 3: a hidden.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it reads to me like the anti communist
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  Speaker 2: manifesto a little bit. It's more like, man, if anyone
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  Speaker 2: ever does anything to help you, you're going to be
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  Speaker 2: profoundly unhappy for the rest of your life. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: that's not true.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he wants like a government that's so small as
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  Speaker 4: just like eight dudes with big sticks and big beards.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, going, no way, just a military.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he doesn't really understand, like you know, I guess
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  Speaker 3: he wants some sort of anarchism, but maybe I guess
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  Speaker 3: more libertarianism, right, and yeah, he very anti socialization. But
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  Speaker 3: if you know, if you're his whole thing is he thinks,
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  Speaker 3: you know, technology is ruining the environment, right, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of it. But if you want people to go back
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  Speaker 3: to hunter and gathers, I mean, gather societies are all
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  Speaker 3: about socialization and people being together. You know, he's putting
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  Speaker 3: his own fucked up bullshit of being a guy in
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  Speaker 3: the woods and being like everybody should be a guy
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  Speaker 3: in the woods to get you know, like, that's not
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  Speaker 3: a functional society and that's not what we should be
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  Speaker 3: striving for. It is all living in the woods, hooping
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  Speaker 3: in a bucket man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of what's in this manifesto, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it starts coming down to, well, there's not
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  Speaker 2: really anything we can do about this, and it's like, well, then,
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  Speaker 2: what the fuck are we even talking about?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, listen to how right I am who bucket Press
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't take this, so I'm gonna terraverse it into the
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  Speaker 4: fucking newspaper.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a quote later on that we'll get
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  Speaker 2: to about what would happen if he didn't kill people
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  Speaker 2: and how no one would read this. It's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: no shit, dude.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the surprising moments of self awareness or you almost
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  Speaker 4: make it worse.
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  Speaker 3: It's a real shame of substack wasn't available back then.
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  Speaker 4: We could have probably he could have had his fifty
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  Speaker 4: subscribers with a nice little echo chamber and that would have.
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  Speaker 2: Been that, yeah, to save some lives.
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  Speaker 3: There was like a long period of my life where
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  Speaker 3: I thought he was called the unibomber because he was
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  Speaker 3: like a solo bomber, and then I me too realized, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that it was an acronym.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't. I think I didn't realize until researching
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  Speaker 2: this episode where the name unibomber came from. And it's
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  Speaker 2: so boring. It's just the FBI's naming convention. UNA meant
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  Speaker 2: United Airlines, bom meant bomb, and people just added er
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  Speaker 2: at the end.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was university and airline bomber. Is that right?
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  Speaker 2: The bombs placed it Northwestern University. There was another one
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  Speaker 2: place there a year later, May ninth, nineteen seventy nine,
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  Speaker 2: and then later that year another bomb that was inside
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  Speaker 2: a piece of mail in the cargo section of an
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  Speaker 2: American Airlines flight exploded, and that's the one that got
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  Speaker 2: the FBI involved, and when they opened their case file,
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  Speaker 2: it was United Airlines bomb, and then they realized all
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  Speaker 2: of those four bombings were connected. So that's when I
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  Speaker 2: think they just called him the UNI bomber. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We got to get the FBI on the pod to clarify.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think it's kind of more fun if it
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  Speaker 4: was just he's the UNI bomber, because he's the loneliest
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  Speaker 4: guy that ever lived. Yeah, Yeah, you know it works
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  Speaker 4: too well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it ended up being a very fitting name for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if yeah, if he just socialized a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more, uh, we probably want.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should call that.
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  Speaker 4: We should call that guy in London from a couple
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  Speaker 4: of years ago, the UNI stabber, just because he was
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  Speaker 4: a solo stabber.
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  Speaker 3: Was Ted Kazincia, the first in cell. Was he the
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  Speaker 3: patient zero of I mean, I'm sure there was others,
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  Speaker 3: but he was kind of ahead of the.
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  Speaker 2: Curve, yeah, a little bit. I'm surprised there's not more
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  Speaker 2: misogyny in this. He just he doesn't talk about women
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  Speaker 2: much at all, and I think it's because he just
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  Speaker 2: kind of sees white dudes as important.
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  Speaker 4: This is like yet another great reminder that we should
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  Speaker 4: legalize in unionized sex work in this country, because I
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  Speaker 4: think that this could have been avoided very easily. Three
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  Speaker 4: hand jobs and this guy just would have had a blog.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of rubbin tugs and ain't even.
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  Speaker 4: He would have seen his own humanity. Oh okay.
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  Speaker 2: So June third, nineteen eighty Percy Would, president of United Airlines,
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  Speaker 2: gets a letter saying he'd soon be receiving a book
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  Speaker 2: of Social Significance in the mail right there, I'd have
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  Speaker 2: been like, someone called the FBI. What the fuck is
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  Speaker 2: this supposed to me? No one mails you a letter
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  Speaker 2: and says you're gonna get something in the mail.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, like announcing a letter, announcing another letter that is
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  Speaker 4: that is definitely a pooping and bucket move.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's softening you up, so you're more willing
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  Speaker 2: to open this strange fucking book that some one sent
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  Speaker 2: you out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 4: Also, what a fucking up your own ass way to
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  Speaker 4: describe your little fucking blog a book of social significance.
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  Speaker 4: He even made the acronym boss.
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  Speaker 2: The book he ended up sending him was called Ice
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  Speaker 2: Brothers by someone named Sloan Wilson. I wondered, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: bother looking up what that is about it?
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  Speaker 4: There must be some symbolism there. I forgot that this
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  Speaker 4: was a different book, that's right. I thought it was
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  Speaker 4: one of the worst Super Smash Bros. Characters.
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  Speaker 3: So it wasn't a book.
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  Speaker 2: No, it was hollowed out, had a bomb in it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's fun besides killing people. But I love
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  Speaker 3: a hollowed out book with something in it that gets
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  Speaker 3: me every time.
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  Speaker 4: In a movie, it's very looney tunes.
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  Speaker 2: You know, remember that story probably ten fifteen years ago. Now,
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  Speaker 2: some obsessed fan of Byork got mad that she married
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  Speaker 2: a black dude and tried mailing her a book bomb.
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  Speaker 2: And what I remember about it is he also shot
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  Speaker 2: himself after he did it, but he filmed all of it,
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  Speaker 2: Like he filmed himself making the bomb. He filmed himself
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  Speaker 2: killing himself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember seeing footage that. I mean, he was
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  Speaker 3: a fucking real nutbar.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had like Darth Maul makeup on. It was
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  Speaker 2: fucking weird.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god, how who's a redneck Byork fan? How
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  Speaker 4: did that happen? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Who's that much of a Byork fan?
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  Speaker 4: In general, I like the weirdest music I could find,
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  Speaker 4: and I could barely get into B York same except
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  Speaker 4: for the album where death Grips put Buyork samples into
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  Speaker 4: an electronic drum kit and then just played the drum
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  Speaker 4: kit to make all the beats, so it was just
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  Speaker 4: different B York samples.
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  Speaker 2: That's fun.
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  Speaker 4: That's My favorite Buick album is n Words on the
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  Speaker 4: Moon by death Grips.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, unibomb that's how the Unibomber name was born.
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  Speaker 2: He finally succeeded in killing someone. December eleventh, nineteen eighty five.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing. Unibomber only put up three deaths, sent
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  Speaker 2: sixteen bombs, killed three people, So not an effective bomber, I.
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  Speaker 4: Would say less than twenty percent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if someone opens a bomb right in their face,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't kill him. What are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Really, I mean it's just it's just kind of a
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  Speaker 4: it seems it must be a low payload. Or how
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  Speaker 4: about this unibomber use a bigger book. Yeah, what about
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  Speaker 4: the Bible?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it was the Beatles Anthology out by this point.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I got a book about the clash upstairs that could
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  Speaker 4: take out two three senators. It's so big.
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  Speaker 2: So December eleventh, nineteen eighty five, computer rental store owner
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Scratton bent over to pick up a package that
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  Speaker 2: was on the ground behind his store, and it exploded
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  Speaker 2: and killed him. This I don't know why I didn't
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  Speaker 2: put where it happened, but I'm pretty sure that one
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  Speaker 2: was in California. I think I think that was like Sacramento.
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  Speaker 3: That was that the intendant target of the bomb.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was going after computer stores and things like eventually, just.
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  Speaker 3: A guy that owned a computer store. I mean, wait,
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  Speaker 3: not the swing, big big Doug Steve Jobs was walking
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  Speaker 3: the earth, you know exactly.
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  Speaker 4: But you're going to now you're going to take out
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  Speaker 4: eds from Ed's computers. You know, you freaking dick that guys.
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  Speaker 4: What does he have to do with it? Yeah, that
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  Speaker 4: was a Sacramento.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a weird choice. I wonder why fucking
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Scrutton's computer hut got it? Was it just like proximity?
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  Speaker 2: Was he in the neighborhood?
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  Speaker 4: Maybe just to try to see terror into the computer
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  Speaker 4: store owners of the country. You know, I could happen
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  Speaker 4: to you type of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was going to have to wait for the
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  Speaker 2: Internet to be a thing before that was going to work.
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  Speaker 2: News did not travel fast enough for that hysteria to spread.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe that guy was just a dick to him.
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  Speaker 4: Overcharged him for a USB cable, you fucker. I found
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  Speaker 4: out these AOL discs are free.
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  Speaker 2: So the second death happened December tenth, nineteen ninety four.
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  Speaker 2: Advertising executive Thomas Masser opened the package received at his
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  Speaker 2: home in New Jersey. It exploded and killed him. The
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  Speaker 2: last death four months later, April twenty fourth, nineteen ninety five,
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  Speaker 2: Gilbert Murray, president of the California four Forestry Association. Would
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  Speaker 2: that guy ever do He seems like he'd be on
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  Speaker 2: the right side of history.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for the unibomber.
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  Speaker 3: The whole thing about Unibomber was he was thinking technology
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  Speaker 3: was destroying the fucking earth. Yeah, being in a blow
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  Speaker 3: up a guy that's job it is to fucking protect
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  Speaker 3: the forest Service. What the fuck?
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  Speaker 2: This one especially must sting because the package was actually
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  Speaker 2: addressed to Gilbert Murray's predecessor, and you know, he was like,
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  Speaker 2: what if it's something cool, keep it, And then it's
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  Speaker 2: a bomb and it killed him.
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  Speaker 4: It's probably a commemorative zippo for his retirement. That just
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  Speaker 4: got here a little late.
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  Speaker 2: Two months later, June twenty eighth, nineteen ninety five, the
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  Speaker 2: New York Times and Washington Post both received copies of
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  Speaker 2: a thirty five thousand word manifesto that claimed to be
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  Speaker 2: from the Unibomber. They forwarded the manifesto to the FBI
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  Speaker 2: like a bunch of narcs, at which point it was
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  Speaker 2: confirmed to be authentic. The sender promised that if one
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  Speaker 2: or both of the papers published manifesto, he'd stop killing people.
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  Speaker 2: The Washington Post published it on June twenty eighth, nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety five.
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  Speaker 4: How do you think they figured out which one of
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  Speaker 4: them had to publish it? Did they do like a
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  Speaker 4: Roe Schambeau type of thing or flip a coin?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if one just took the leap before
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  Speaker 2: the other.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it's also a big scoop. Maybe you
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  Speaker 4: want this scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think they both ended up publishing it,
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  Speaker 2: But the Washington Post was just first. Maybe they just
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  Speaker 2: didn't give a shit if it was fake. They're like,
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  Speaker 2: fuck it, it's a better read than people are gonna expect.
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  Speaker 4: If it bleeds, it leads.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's really an indictment of police work because
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  Speaker 3: there was a push by the government to have these
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  Speaker 3: newspapers publish it. You know, they want it because they're like, well,
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  Speaker 3: maybe somebody will know who he is. But it's like,
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: this is your best chance as this at this point,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: you know, Like, I mean, that's if you want to
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: give Ted Krasinski any sort of credit, it's the fact
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: that he turned himself in.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Essentially, didn't his brother turn him in.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: His brother turned him in, but he had to have
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: known that. Once they published it, they would figure out
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: who he was, right, because they had no lead, right.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: And yeah, if I recall correctly, his brother read the
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: manifesto and was like, head, come on.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Luckily it was back then when the louverstore mono culture.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Now it's like you could publish somebody's manifesto and nobody.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: They would never even know, you know.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's just the real heads like me
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: and Adam. We're reading the Chris Dorner Manifesto before we
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: go to sleep.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, the Chris Dorner Manifesto. Funny, you should bring that
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: up hanging right above me a calendar from the film
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: The Hangover three, which in his manifesto Chris Dorner was like,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: sad that I'm not going to live to see The
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Hangover three. Oh my god, It's like, you know what,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: you didn't miss much, buddy, The movie fucking sucked. The
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: great duck stan Hae bit about hearing that Chris Dorner
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: listed his top ten favorite comedians and he's reading through
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: it with glee because he can't wait to see himself
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: and he realizes he's been snubbed.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Chris Dorner. Didn't even you.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Think Chris Dorner would have been a stand hope guy too.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: I mean it's just right there, I mean cop Killer
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Stanhope fan and it's just kind of adds up.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Who was in his top ten?
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, it was like, oh god, it was like it
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: was really it was like Margaret Choe. It was kind
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: of kind of weird. It was. It was not what
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: you'd expect. It was not like counterculture comedians.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Margaret Show was a good comedian, but yeah, I wouldn't
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: expect her to be on the list.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, he's a great comedian, but she's not.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Cop Killer Vibes.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Chappelle was in it, right because he talked about it. Shit, right,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: I think. So, I don't remember what they all were.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Gat Williams, Pat Williams, he'd better be on that list.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: He better be in anybody's top ten. God damn it,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: goddamn right.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: All right, So the manifesto, there's an introduction and it
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: starts by talking about how the Industrial Revolution has been
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: a disaster for the human race, inflicting in dignities and
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: mental and physical harm on people all across the globe.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Am I crazy that he never really says how. He
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: just says it's harming people and in dignities, And I
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: feel like if you sat him down and pressed him
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: police room interrogation style, eventually he'd just be like, white
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: people can't say the N word anymore.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's a lot of this manifesto where you're
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: expected to sort of like fill in the blanks.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it also a big problem I have with
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: it is it only addresses what he calls leftists and
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: as if you know Republicans conservatives are doing nothing to
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: promote any of this. He does at one point say, well,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: conservatives are dumb too, because they're promoting all this. That's it.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: That's the only.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Thing only one bar ted Kaczinski.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: In fucking Reagan era America. That's all that was going
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: wrong was conservatives were pushing technology and not destabilizing Central
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: America so we could invent MS thirteen and send it
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: back there.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was like, well, I support their good work
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: ignoring the AIDS epidemic.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the thing
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: he said, because there was a point where he was
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: talking about all the like big problems that modern society
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: has that the primitive cultures didn't have. And I don't
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: remember what the first one was, because I just remember
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: that the second one and the only other one he
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: listed was transsexuality. That's it, Like, all throughout history, all
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: these cultures, all the problems of the world today, that's
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the one. You're like, man, life must have been pretty sweet. Yeah,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: they were eating rocks and twigs for breakfast, but no
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: one was dressing the way they shouldn't. It's like Jesus Christ, dude.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very clear that ted ted just wants to
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: wear like a shirt with a flower and then it
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: holds somebody's hand. Yeah, he just wants to eat a
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: grape and look at a flower.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: He talks about how the industrial technological system might survive,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: but it might also break down, and that it'll be
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: bad if it survives, but also bad if it breaks down,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: but that breakdown will be worse depending on how big
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: the system gets. So let's destroy it right now and
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: right now, meaning like ninety five ish that's when he
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: published this, which even by then that feels like an
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: unrealistic goal for one thing. Even to get your manifesto published,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: it takes some help from the Industrial Revolution. Newspapers don't
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: fucking grow on trees.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Buddy, Yeah, really, I make a relugdant truce with the
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: printing press for this one purpose.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, these things. He should have handed these out in person.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Handwritten, all thirty five thousand words.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: This is a quote from the part where he talks
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: about an overthrow of the technological system. Quote, We therefore
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: advocate a revolution against the industrial system. This revolution may
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: or may not make use of violence. It may be sudden,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: or it may be a relatively gradual process spanning a
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: few decades. He's not telling us shit there, like he's
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: just trying to be clever in how he says, I
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: don't fucking know, I don't even know if it's going
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: to happen. Like that's he's just covering all the bases.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Might be violent, might not, might take long time, might
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: not take that long. This is like what fucking storefront
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: psychics do basically well.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: And it's also like what you see with a lot
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: of white supremacists is just it's like a fantasy. They
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: are stupid, obviously, but they're smart enough to realize that
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: the race war is never coming. So everything that they
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: all of their media is predicated on this fantasy, you know.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: So he's like giving himself a long enough timeline to say, well,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: this is not my fault. It's not happening. It could
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: take a number of months or years.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: So then there's a section the psychology of modern leftism.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: This is one of the quotes. One of the most
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: He said on his bucket.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Another quote, when we speak of leftists in this article,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: we have in mind mainly socialist collectivists, politically correct types, feminists,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: gay and disability the activists, animal rights activists, and the
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: like end quote.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: He put together gay and disability activists, like they're part
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: of the same thing, like being gay is a disability.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: And also tell me you're a Nazi without saying you're
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: a Nazi. Disability activists.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know what technology is ruining the world?
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Wheelchairs elsewhere. I don't know if it was in a
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: letter to somebody else, but he said he, you know,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: he didn't like Nazis and shit like that, and I'm like,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: but yeah, the list you just gave was the list
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: of like the fascist enemies. Yeah.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: I fucking hate Gargamel almost as much as I hate smurfs.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: If this guy was talking about math, that's what he
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: fucking knew about. Yeah, I would listen to him. But
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: it's like he didn't read any fucking books about sociology
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: or fucking anthropology or about how human society. I mean,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: because he's unsocialized. He's a fucking guy in the woods.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: It's infuriating.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really self righteous manifesto. It's very much, well,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: this is how I fucking get down, So this is
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: what everyone else should be doing.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: It's like, man, you can't you can't have a revolution
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: if you if it's just you.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: You know this this so this guy, this happened in
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety five. I'm thinking about Chris Dorner and like saying,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: like he just said that he couldn't fucking see Hangover
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: three before he died. I think if we could have
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: just shown Ted Kaczinski Tommy boy, he might have been like,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: you know what, Modernity's okay?
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: So yeah, he goes on to say that the two
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: psychological traits that provide the foundation for modern leftism are
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: feelings of inferiority and over socialization.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: See what the fuck is that we have a lowliness
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: epandemic now? And that was the ninety five We didn't
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: even probably wasn't even as bad.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, people have too many friends. When has that ever
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: been a problem.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this really does read to me like someone
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to reframe Nazi ideals as a rejection of
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: technology and embracing nature. And it's like, no, you're just
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: saying you genesis shit here, but you're like fucking raising
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: trees when you do it.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: And it's not like we developed technology to help the disenfranchise.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: We barely ever use it for that. We use it
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: for that only extremely reluctantly.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing too. He talks about like welfare
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: leeches in this, and it's like that is a fucking
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: creation of right wing minds. It's not even a thing Reagan.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Would always talk about. I think Terrytown, Pennsylvania, and he'd
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: be like, the medium income is like forty two thousand dollars,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: but everyone is on welfare. And the reason the medium
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: income was forty two thousand dollars was because like one
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: billionaire lived on a house in a hill away in
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: the edge of town.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like fucking Ronald Reagan reasoning. I put
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: in the notes. I was two pages in and immediately
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, anyone whoever told me I should read this
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what's going on with you? What? What did
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: you get from this? He? Uh, of course rails against
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: people who get mad when people use terms like negro
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: or oriental or handicapped. And it's like, for all of
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the complaining people like this dude do about the government
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: meddling in their affairs and not providing them enough autonomy.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Why do you fucking get mad if people get mad
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: about words? Why does that fucking bother you? Let people
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: go get mad at words and you stay segregated from
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: society like you want fucking psychopath.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like this guy in the woods could
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: have successfully avoided all of this shit that he hated
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: by just not leaving, Like he could have just kept
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: on keeping on.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: It's like, well, he pedaled in a town. Every once
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: in a while, he rolls into town dropping a bunch
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: of slurs, and people are like, fuck, I'm glad that
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: guy lives in the woods. Fuck him. Yeah right, and
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: he lived in rural Montana, So how what sort of
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: crazy shit was he saying to people out there where
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: they were like, ooh, I don't know about that.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when you're two live for rural Montana.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's bad times. He also argues that only people
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: who don't belong to oppressed groups care about how oppressed
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: groups are labeled. And here's the thing, fuck this guy forever,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: But like, I would buy that if we're talking like
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: homeless versus unhoused. I feel like, if you're in that situation,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: you're just like, I use what term you want? Can
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I just have a fucking place to live? But he
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: keeps pushing that idea to where it's just, oh, well,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: if you care about a marginalized group, it's because you
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: see them as inferior and you feel like they can't
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: do anything to help themselves. And he's completely ignoring any
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: systemic things that might contribute to a person's station in life.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: In his version of the world, the government is both
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: the biggest enemy and also completely benevolent and almost to
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: the point that they don't exist, because you can't write
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: shit like this and not acknowledge, well, we've put some
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: policies in place over a few years that have kind
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: of made things like this for people. But he doesn't
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: take any of that into account because he's fucking rich
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: and smart, So what the fuck does he care?
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Was he rich?
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I think he was? Wasn't he I mean he worked
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: as a Yeah, he was a professor, so probably not
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: that rich.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: So what happened he did? He save up the bag
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: and then he quit right and then he was just
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: in the woods for a long time.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean, yeah, he lived a pretty low cost
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: lifestyle eventually there.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Well, once you invest in the bucket, I mean, he's
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: for itself.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: They got like his cabin on display somewhere, right, it's
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: in some museum, right.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: I think it is.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he tried to give it to a woman who
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: like super duper supported him and corresponded with him while
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: he was in prison, and the gun wouldn't let her
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: keep it. We'll flip that on epay.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: I figure out where it is because I think it's
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: in like a weird creepy storage facility, like I think
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: like the FBI has it.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, of course that wouldn't surprise me. It's bummer that
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: wasn't on the FBI exit. But I saw at the
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Reagan Library then think I didn't want to see Ted
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Kazinski shack every bit as much as I wanted to
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: see the gun that shot Reagan.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Oh man, what a gun.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: So he was like he got experiment on like in
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: the mk ultra, Right, that's what that's what fucking made
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: him nuts.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Huh, that's I've heard that. I've heard he was part
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: of some mk ultra experiments, which that wouldn't surprise me that,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: you know, sounds like conspiracy theory nonsense now, but that's
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: people not taking he.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Was at he went to Harvard.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, so he was.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: There at the time when they were doing like acid
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: tests or that they were giving him like LSD and
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Totally, he could have been the next Richard Alpert. We
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: could have had another rhmdas but they just gave them
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: the wrong amount.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: There are a bunch of surprising names that come up
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: in relation to MK Ultra. He's one of them. Charles
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Manson is another one. Mk Ultra was so huge it
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: covered the US and Canada. It was something like one
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty different hospitals and universities.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: And don't forget whorehouses.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, Cia brothels in San Francisco. So I
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: would venture a guest that a lot more people got
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: subjected to MK ultra shit than we will ever ever
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: ever know. Here's what kills me about this section where
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: he's talking about how oppressed groups don't care about how
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: other groups are labeled. He follows it up by saying
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: the quote average black ghetto dweller end quote, Oh fuck
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't care about this at all. I feel like a
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: lot of people in the United States would be highly
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: bothered by being labeled average black ghetto dweller.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: That sounds like like like what Kanye was going to
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: make his rap name back in like when he had stuck,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: he was gonna be average Black shoplifter. I think it was.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: It would be kind of a hard rap name, like
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: if ice Cube came out as average Black getto dweller, Like, fuck.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be an interesting turn.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: It'd be a good Kendrick Lamar album.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Was he listening to like right wing radio out there
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: in that cabin by himself while he's pooping in the bucket?
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, where is he getting these ideas?
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Like That's what I want to know. Is he reading
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: the reading reading in the paper? Like what is this
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: just the machinations of his own lonely racist mind. He's
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: got to have some kind of rush limboss hearing him
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: in this direction?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know. I mean when he was working
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: as a professor, obviously he would have been out there
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: in the world and seeing people and doing things. But yeah, eventually, like,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: once you're living in the woods, where are you getting
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: all this hate from? Where are you taking in information?
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: If you reject the industrial revolution so much? Because again,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: you can't fucking read without it, dude, that's how it works.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: You're out there. Yeah, you're in rural Montana. There's no
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: other there's just other white people out there, right, Yeah,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, who's he interacting with, you know, I mean,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: but unless he just crank you know, listen, I mean,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: he probably could only pick up AM radio in that check.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, this is a quote from this section.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Political correctness has its stronghold among university professors who have
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: secure employment with comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: are heterosexual, white males from middle to upper middle class families.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: End quote. And so what he's basically getting mad at
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: here is, well, you're doing fine. Why do you care
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: about other people? And that is basically that's kind of
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: the foundation of conservatism, Like that is really sort of
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: the defining difference between the left and the right is
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: the right really does think, well, that doesn't affect you,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: So why would you care? There has to be some
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: sort of disingenuous reason that you're pursuing this. And meanwhile,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: the left tends to think more like, well, how is
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: this going to impact the world, And it's such a schism.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's like coming out against altruism.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he really does get into in certain sections, just
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: like you don't want any help. If people help you,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be unhappy.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: That's a fundamental misunderstanding of humanity and how we got
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: so far. Yeah, that just human being. The reason human
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: beings are the top of the charts is because we
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: copy each other, We helped each other. We were the
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: first animal to set another animal's bone, and that's what
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: you know. We instead of being like you broke your bone,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: well you're gonna die in that ditch seeing that, you
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: know what I mean.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great point, Like, isn't it isn't our
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: capacity to thrive like like sort of like entangled with
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: our like tribal dynamic.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: You can see various points in this where he realizes
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: he's hit a talking point like that where someone might
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: object and he just brushes it off. The example, I'm
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: thinking of he's at another point railing against industrialization and
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: things of the like, and then he's like, but yeah,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: from a medical standpoint, I guess you know, there were
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: some pretty big threats prior to industrialization that you know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: medicine has taken care of.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: He gives it up for penicillin and on penicillin only.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But then he's just like, but whatever, let's carry on.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, I mean no, but we need to
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: talk about that part more because he does also never
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: really address except in like superficial ways, like that the
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: benefits that industrialization have had for people, none of that matters, Like.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Think about how many children got great jobs because of
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: industry exactly.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: If you look at Ted Kaczynski, the whole thing as
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: a war more of a warning of like tech bros
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: and technology and that they want us to not socialize.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: And you know, he's kind of like the id of
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: tech bros in terms of like they're they fucking the
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: tech nerds. They have trouble fucking socializing, so they created
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: the fucking Internet so they could get on there and
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: fucking say whatever dumb shit to each other. You know,
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: the guy that invented the ATM, the guy invented the ATM.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: His biggest regret in life was that he invented the atm.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: He because it took people away from going to the
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: bank and socializing with the bank teller, because for old
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: people that was maybe their only socialization and shit like that.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: Interesting, I never heard that before.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: I listened like this whole podcast about the guy invented
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: the bank teller, But the same.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Thing about the guy who invented the flesh light. If
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: we could have just gotten Ted Kazinski won fleshlight.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Even though he's like anti technology, he's I mean, I
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: guess his life is. I don't know what the fuck.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: He was a dumb ass, that's all there is to it.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. This is the section where he argues that leftists
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: only identify with the problems of underrepresented groups because they
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: see those groups as inferior, as opposed to Ted Kazinski,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: who sees them as slute equals. I'm sure I.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Don't even understand that point. Like we so we're doing
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: it supposedly because like it gives us a superiority complex, Like, oh,
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: I'll feel happy and good and powerful because I helped
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: this inferior disabled person, says Ted, Like what is he
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: even saying.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: That's what makes me so suspicious about this. I mean,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: this is a conspiracy theory podcast after all, And I
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: get that the dude went to prison or whatever, but
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: so much of this just reads like really trying to
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: reframe Nazism, conservatism, whatever the fucking Reagan agenda.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: It sounds like you want the smallest god like possible government.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like so much of it. What I what
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: really bothers me is he's a smart guy, smart ish,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: so he knows most of what he's talking about is
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: not attainable, Like shutting down industrial society is not possible.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: But we could like roll back some social reforms that
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: have cause the government to take care of people in
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: a way that he deems destructive, Like we could do that.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: It's like Elon Musk, shit.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: The social reforms had nothing to do with technology, right.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Also that it's like either your anti technology, you know,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: the idea that either you think we're destroying the earth. Okay,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: you're probably right there, but how is destroying the fabric
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: of society going to help that? You know? Yeah.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: He also suggests that feminists are anxious to prove women
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: are equal because they think women aren't equal, And it's like,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: are you sure it's not just that they recognize that
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: women aren't treated equal as opposed to thinking women are inferior.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's just been recognized for a long time that
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: in a lot of situations in life, women are not
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: treated equal to men. Like the Trump administration is trying
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: to make that law again, you can't as a college
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: right now require that nil money be split equally between
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: men and women. That's law. Now, that's a thing Trump
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: did through executive order.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: Then then, I mean the fact that deb I all
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: want to go off on a rant, but the fact
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: that Joe Biden didn't make the fucking National Archivist just
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: put the fucking Equal Rights Amendment.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: He could have done that. Ye, you should have just
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: did it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: He was tired, Dave, Okay, he needed a nap.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: I know, it was fucking a bunch of bullshit. I agree.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: If he was talking about politically correctness, that means he
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: was tied into the culture. I mean that that term
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: doesn't come out until the late eighties, I think, right
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: or you know there was the movie PCU. That was
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: that whole period of probably the late eighties early nineties
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: where that politically correctness first comes into boat, right, so
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: he's like, is he reading Newsweek? Is he reading Time Magazine?
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he's he's taking in information obviously.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of plot holes in this.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: I'd be fascinated to see Ted Kazinski's reading list, you know.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet that's out there somewhere.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: And when he was in prison, he never did any interviews,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: or he never granted interviews or anything or what.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Isn't there a Netflix thing about interviews with Ted Kaczinski.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Un Obomber in his own words, sounds like it Anchorybody
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: a rare interview. This dock Is series details Ted Kazinski's
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: path from a young intellectual to one of the most
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: feared people in US history. Yeah, sounds like we can
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: hear little Ted Ted in his own words.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: It's probably fucking AI. N Obomber wasn't even real. Fuck this.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think he even existed.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: He was created by the Reagan administration to fuck the
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Clinton administration.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. So here's a couple of quotes from this
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: section that specially bother me. First one, left Ish philosophers
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: tend to dismiss reason, science, and objective reality and to
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: insist that everything is culturally relative and quote, and like,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: given everything else I've read up to this point, I
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: really need to know what kind of science he's talking about,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: because I guarantee it's some of that. You can tell
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: how smart a person is by the shape of their head,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: racist type bullshit. He will sometimes be mad at science.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: He actually has a whole section about how scientists should
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: not be trusted. But here people on the left are
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: dismissing science and objective reality. It's like, I need to
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: know what science he's talking about. I bet it's some racist,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: fucking science.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, phrenology.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: The guy was dose with a too much LSD and
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: it brought out his schizophrenia, and then all of a sudden,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: we're reading this fucking It's like if you just went
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: and found a homeless guy that was yelling shit on
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: the street and asked him to write it down and
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: be like, ooh, there's some fun. He might have a
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: couple of good ideas, but most of them it's gonna
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: be fucking nuts.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Dude. When I was first reading through this, that was
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: my thought. It was just as major not taking your
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: pills vibes.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he could use an SSRI for sure.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: An antipsychotic.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, you throw him on some lithium and
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: see what the how different the manifesto is? Then?
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Look, you take away six, six or seven pills. I'm
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: writing a manifesto. Okay, no judgment ted, but I'm saying
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: that you did. You know, you gotta have some. You
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: gotta take some of your own. You know, the personal
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: accountability you've been writing about. Maybe it's time to grab
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: a little bucket of that for yourself, big guy.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Now, what's the difference between like a declaration and a manifesto? Yeah?
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Is it like word count structure like in poetry something
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Or is it just if you win or not?
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: I think it's if you win or not, because if
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: if the if America lost that shit, that that would
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: be called the American Manifesto, the Manifesto of independence.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Here's another quote. Leftists prefer to give society the credit
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: or blame for an individual's ability or lack of it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: End quote. And see that's that pull yourself up from
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: your bootstraps. Bullshit.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: What I'm reading here is leftists include both nature and
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: nurture in their assessment of a human being.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Like wild who would do it?
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah to what end would you take into account all
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: relevant factors?
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Another quote, Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: race problems serve as an excuse for them to express
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: their own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: they actually harm black people because the activist hostile attitude
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred end quote.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: So what he's saying is, don't get mad at racist
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: for being racist, because that'll make them more racist. Check
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: and mate.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: I like it. I just love a guy making all
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: these sweeping generalizations. And it's like he knows like three
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: people himself, his brother and his dad.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, whatever people are in that town. I mean
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: he biked in the town or whatever the fuck I think?
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the guy, the guy at the fucking general
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: store and.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Whoever worked at the post office.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, the guy the mails an odd, oddly
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: sized package once every month and a half or so, well.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Ahead a bison. He had to buy the postage somehow,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: that that wasn't something you could print off back then,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: so he had to get the postage from somebody.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Ironically, the bomber would have loved stamps dot com. That's
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: a technology.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Lovestamps dot Com offer co unibomber.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, can we ai that commercial the unibomber for stamps
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: dot Com. I want down next year's Super Bowl in
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Trump's America.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: I want to stay off the radar. He had to
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: be listening to right wing radio, especially Montana. You're probably
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: getting that pure uncut like, not the national one, the
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: local one. Oh, that one's probably real bombers. And he
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: was probably just hearing the shit and then typing it
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: on the fucking paper.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. He had to be taking in some
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: current modern information in his fucking anti techno shack in
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: the middle of the Montana Woods.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: We look it up. What was all found in there?
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Did they find a rate?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just found like an early version of a modem.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: He's on the internet the whole time.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: He's doing BBS boards.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Forty thousand hand in journal pages that included his crimes.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Disease and pens. With those pens made with machines. This
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: guy's a fraud.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: They were all written in his own blood.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: I mean that I would respect.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: They've written in his own poop man Fresh.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Get yourself a poop quill and get to work.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: He also talks about leftists being over socialized. But then
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: he gives this additional information. One of the most important
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: means by which our society socializes children is by making
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: them feel ashamed of behavior or speech that is contrary
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: to society's expectations. End quote. So again, white people can't
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: say the N word without getting in trouble for it anymore.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: I hear that, but I also hear a little bit
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: of like, Okay, he talks about leftis are over socialized.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: The people that don't agree with me have too many friends.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: And he's like, the way that they, you know, socialized
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: children is to make them feel ashamed of their opinions.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: He's like, what happened to little Ted?
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: What?
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: What did little Ted say? In fifth grade? Hey, it
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: made you feel this way, buddy, Like what happened?
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Well, I got here's what happened. I guess that he
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: had a super high IQ and then he skipped a grade,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: and then when he got to the higher grade he
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: I guess he was like the socialized a lot, and
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: he was kind of the leader, and that when he
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: skipped ahead, he didn't fit in with the older kids
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: and they bullied him.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: So, dude, I started taking my grades because of exactly
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: this situation. I was getting put up a grade in
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: math in English. They would send me to like from
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: fifth grade to fourth grade to fifth grade, or from
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: fourth grade to sixth grade, and I just got to
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: fucking depressed because I had nothing in common with the
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: other kids.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: You saved yourself from being the fucking unibomber bud, I.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Know, Jesus nice working at the fee.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: And it's like, that's your fucking villain origin story. I
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: got bullied a little bit for being too smart. Fuck you. Yeah,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: really gotta go blow up a bunch of computer stores
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: and kill the people in them? Sure, no choice? What
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: else are you gonna do? This fucking guy?
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: He could have started the Mean Boys podcast.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Pussy robbed us of another podcast in the world.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: I know, and we need. We need as many as
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: we can get.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: So.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: He also talks about the power process, and this section
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: is mostly just about how bad it is when the
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: government takes care of their people. Here's a quote. Consider
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the hypothetical case of a man who can have anything
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: he wants just by wishing for it. Such a man
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: has power, but he will develop serious psychological problems. At first,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: he will have a lot of fun, but by and
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: by he will become acutely bored and demoralized, end quote,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: and motherfucker. Based on what citation needed.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: This sounds like his own experience again, like he had
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: his little lump of professor cash, he had his cabin,
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: he had everything he wanted, and he's still not happy.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and someone told him to take pills and he
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: was like, no, I need nature. Yeah, something like that
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: had to have happened, because he's taking this hypothetical situation
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: and adding like concrete statements to it, Like this hypothetical
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: man who can have whatever he wants, he's for sure
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: gonna end up getting bored and demoralized over that. And
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: are you.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: Sure he's not even studying another philosophical text here. He's
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: not even like, so say its Homer or any you know.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's just like wording it in a way
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: that makes it sound profound, like Trump's tweet about how
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: he who saves his country cannot violate any law. It's like,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: you're Trump, don't say he who you motherfucker.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Unless you're singing along with Michael Jackson songs. Don't don't you?
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: You fucking His Wikipedia page gaslight me into thinking Trump
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: wrote something that started with he who anyway.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: For several weeks in nineteen sixty six, Kazinski experienced intense
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: sexual fantasies of being a female, decided to undergo gender transition,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: and then he arranged to me to psychiatrist, but changed
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: his mind in the waiting room.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: Wow, you cannot make this stuff up.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, like if you go through his Wikipedia. And
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: then apparently like the type of mathematics that he was
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: teaching was gonna be like, uh, I guess phased out
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: or some shit, so like.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: So he had some grievances for sure.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Wow, I didn't know math could become obsolete. I
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: didn't make it work like that.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you doing studying this fucking indie underground
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: math in the first place? Yeah, study something useful. And
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: he even goes so far as to say in this
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: section that getting things like food, water, and shelter too
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: easily makes a person board, which again, this is the
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: anti communist manifesto is what this is. This is him saying,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: you don't want your needs taken care of too easily.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: It's gonna make you sad.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: It's to each according to his race to each according
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: to his grumpiness.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he tried to live the Atlas shrug sort of thing, right.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: He was like, I'm going to be the ultimate libertarian
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: and then look out ended up.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: And he doesn't understand. And what no one of his ilk,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I think, really understands is that to live this lifestyle
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: he's living, there's got to be some degree of privilege
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: and well offness to it. He's benefited from the things
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: he's railing against, and he just cannot wrap his head
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: around that.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: You don't write a whole, big, long book about how
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: black people are the problem after your eight hour shift
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: at ross dress for last, you just don't. You're too tired.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Receiving significant financial support from his family when he
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: went to live the simple life.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That reminds me. There is a
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: band called Tennis, very good band, but at one point
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: they just went and lived on a boat for a
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: year to write one of their albums, and they were
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: doing this Reddit ama about it and all the things
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: they had to do, like all the sacrifices and like
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: how they did it, and at some point someone just
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: jumped in with a question, was like, are you gonna
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: mention that your parents are rich and they had to
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: get back in there and be like, yeah, we should
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: also mention that we have parents that if anything went wrong,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: they would have bailed us out immediately. And it's like, oh,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: there it is that that part matters. You're gonna send
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: some fucking poor person to live on a boat in
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: the middle of the ocean, and then when shit goes wrong,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: their album's never coming out because their parents can't bail
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: them out. Yeah, same thing with this guy. Fuck you,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: you're getting financial assistance from your family living in the woods.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: Well, and it's like, Ted write a useless proge rock album.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: We know you listen to Rush, Okay, Zach can hear
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: the King Crimson Vinyl in your fucking screeds.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: He also talks about surrogate activities. Those are a big
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: deal for him, and this is basically him saying, if
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: you aren't forced to fight for every scrap of food
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: you eat and for every drop of water you drink,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: then you're just gonna start doing stuff for fun, and
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: that's not fulfilling. And I don't know, I feel like
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: having fun and outside interest it's pretty good for a person. Sah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: I think if Ted went to a board game night
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: or two.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: You know, and people might be wondering, well, what exactly
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: did he mean by surrogate activities? What kind of fun
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: are we talking about? Glad you're asked, here we go.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: This is quote scientific work, athletic achievement, humanitarian work, artistic
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: and literary creation. W i'mbing the corporate ladder acquisition of
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: money and material goods far beyond the point at which
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: they cease to give any additional physical satisfaction in the
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: best one. And social activism when it addresses issues that
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: are not important for the activists personally, as in the
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: case of white activists who work for the rights of
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: non white minorities. End quote. This is a fucking government. Oh,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: I don't buy it.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: It is so strange.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I don't want to know what was in his cabin
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: I want to know what his prison cell looked like.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: He wrote two other books.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Is it even activism if it's only for your group?
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: Isn't that just opportunities?
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Activists who work for the rights of non white minorities. Yeah,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: he really is saying, well, if you're an activist, he's
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: just like if you're Chinese, you only you're only an
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: activist for Chinese people, and it's like.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: He just doesn't trust people doing shit for anyone else
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: but themselves.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: And also he's failing to recognize that white people don't
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: really need activists. Yeah, no, shit, if white people want
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: to engage an activist shit, they kind of have to
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: go to the oppressed groups of the land, because otherwise
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: you're just a white supremacist. Like an activist for white
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: people in this country is kind of a white supremacist
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: because white people are doing pretty fucking good in this country,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: even those of us who aren't are doing pretty fucking good,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: and even thirty years ago.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so wild, like it, I mean, like the
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: book he wrote it, I mean it seems to be
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: mostly about like technology and all this stuff. Like the
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: manifesto is like I'll hung up on this race shit,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: and then like the later stuff doesn't seem to be
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: deal with that at all. It's kind of fucking wild.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's got to change the image now
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: that he's mainstream. This is his or bluesy and raw stuff,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: or he went corporate.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: It's hip to be square by Ted Kazinski.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: And Yeah, there's a section about the sources of social
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: problems that it just makes no sense. It seems like
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: he's just saying we need to be a little more
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: segregated than we are, which I agree. If we're talking
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: about social media, I think that was a problem. I
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: don't know why we got it in our heads that
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: we needed to all be hanging out in the same
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: place on the internet. Yahoo groups were the way to go.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: We should have stopped there. But otherwise, no, this is
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: like this guy's a fucking Nazi.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think we I think we're going to
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: say the next part here, Adam, because I just think
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: that's a really good point that like when Nazis said
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: their own corner of the air, like when Nazis were
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: just on the storm front and we all went, oh, yeah, fuck,
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: those guys kind of a better system.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was way better, and social media killed that.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Social media turned the Internet into like a fucking town
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: square that everyone was forced to hang out in.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: And then when you argue with the Nazis online, you
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: just amplify their message to other people, you know.
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and all of a sudden, my aunt Aaron is
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: getting called a race trader for you know, like yeah.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, we have been going through this section
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: by section. But if people, if you want to go
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: read it, I'll link to it. It's fifty eight pages long.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: What again really bothers me is he knows that none
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: of these things he's talking about are possible, except for
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: the part where the government doesn't help you as much
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: as it did then, which, holy shit, we're talking eighties nineties.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: I think even then the government wasn't doing a whole
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: lot for people.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this guy really hates himself and his rich parents
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: that he's like, I.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Need less help.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: I must I need more resistance in my life.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, did he try writing this without financial assistance
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: from his parents? He didn't.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: I wonder. I wonder when people are like, oh, you
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: gotta read Ted Kaczinsky, is it? Are we getting the
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: ideas that came out from his book have been jumbled
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: together with his manifesto? You know, it's the way it's possible.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, maybe the books are are better or just
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: the You gotta stay with the series.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: It gets better.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: You know. The first episode isn't great, but.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Phantom Menace isn't the best Star Wars movie. You
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: gotta you know, you live percolate.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's our problem. We're just not giving him
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: enough time to impress.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to defend him.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: I'm just I mean, it is possible.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: But like the ideas that we're like slaves to the
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: machine and you know, we're working in service of technology
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: and technology kind of rules our life or something. It's
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: like some of the themes that are like in his
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: other book, and I think that that's kind of what
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: I think some of the message that I think resonates
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: with the popular culture when they think about Ted Kazinski
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: and not all this other fucked up shit. You know.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, My issue is I feel like with Ted Kaczinsky
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: and pretty much anyone who has Ted Kazinski's other political leanings,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: when he's worried about the government spying on people, it's
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: because he thinks it's going to be a Democrat government
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: or a leftist government. I promise this motherfucker doesn't care
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: about Republicans spying on people because he thinks they're spying
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: on the right people. So yeah, I get that he
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: probably does make some good arguments about surveillance and things
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: that like, but so did fucking Nom Chomsky, and he
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: wasn't a vehement racist. I mean, he's still alive, I
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: do believe.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: But like there's still time for No Him to do
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: a racist heel turn.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't. I mean, it's got to be coming
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: in Trump's America. Him and Taylor Swift both right, Everyone gets.
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: A little senile, gets a little gets a little, gets
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: a little racy.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: There's also a section in this called the Motives of Scientists,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: and it's all about how scientists are lying when they
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: say they are motivated by curiosity or the betterment of society.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, so you're saying they do their
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: jobs for money.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Why, Yeah, that's like a whole conservative talking point there.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm so over that. Like people, I get
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: when people are corrupt, they view the world as everybody
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: is corrupt. But yeah, the majority of people are not corrupt.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: You know a lot of people do things out of
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: service to the world or the government, and you know,
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: most people are doing things altruistically, I think, and most
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: people don't want to be wildly wealthy or fucking too
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: bad shit. But if you're corrupt and you want to
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: do bad shit, that's the way you view everybody.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's also a lot of people doing
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: bad shit who think they're doing shit altruistically. Yeah, true,
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: scarily enough. And I don't know, it's not like scientists
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: don't get paid off. It's not like Philip Morris didn't
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: have a bunch of fucking goons going, what smoking is
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: good for your teeth? It turns them a nice sturdy
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: shade of brown. There's a great Dead Kennedy song about
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: it called well Paid Scientist.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's definitely possible.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's definitely people in every field that
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: are selling out, but I would say the majority or not.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: You had to say every scientist like yeah, Like it's
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: like it's like saying every comedian just wants attention, and
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: I like that's true.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that part's true. But yeah, once you start making
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: like blanket suggestions like that, like then you're getting into
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: what's happening in El Salvador where the president of El Salvador,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: he's like kind of completely eliminated homicide from El Salvador.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: They dropped from six thousand murders in twenty fifteen to
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fourteen I think in twenty twenty four whoa,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: and he's like overseen all that, but with pretty harsh tactics.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: That a lot of independent media outlets in the country
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: have called out. So now his next thing is, oh, well,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: there was this WikiLeaks thing that said USAID was spending
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: billions of dollars paying independent journalists to plant stories about
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: various governments around the world, and so all independent journalists
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: are money launderers. Now he's promising to crack down on
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: white collar crime, which of course would be money laundering.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: So he's gonna use that to just like round up
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: journalists and be like, see, I'm fighting corruption and as
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: long as there's not a plethora of gang murders in
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: the streets, no one's gonna fucking give a shit.
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: Pretty good tactically, I have to give him some respect
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: because that is that is a nice move.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, and we're just taking this word
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: that there's less murders. I mean, as you know, like
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: how in Japan there's and like Japan there's no murders,
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: you know all the time.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: It's really complicated. There are My solo podcast this week
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: is about this. But there are suggestions that he's made
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: deals with the gangs to give them like almost like
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: more autonomy to murder people in prison instead of doing
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: it on the streets, and then murders in custody aren't
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: included in the murder counts that he's giving the world,
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: so he's like fudging the numbers that way. It's all.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: But even then, like, imagine we're living in El Salvador
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: and there's six thousand murders a year. There's six million
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: people in that country, less than the population of New
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: York City. Imagine there are six thousand murders a year
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: in New York City. No one would fucking go to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: New York City. And then now there's like one hundred
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: sum You're not really gonna give a shit how he
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: did it. You're just gonna be glad it's done. Like
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: that guy won the twenty twenty four Salvador in election
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: with eighty five percent of the vote, and you aren't
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: even supposed to be able to run for consecutive terms
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: in El Salvador. He just fired a part of the
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court that would have stopped him and replaced them
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: with his own judges, and they were like, sure, you
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: can run again. And that guy's forty three. He's gonna
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: be running El Salvador for like fifty fucking years. Probably good. Wow,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: So I found this quote really interesting. This is right
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: near the end here goes if we had never done
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: anything violent and had submitted the present writings to a publisher,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: they probably would not have been accepted. If if they
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: had been accepted and published, they probably would not have
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: attracted many readers, because it's more fun to watch the
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: entertainment put out by the media than to read a
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: sober essay. Even if these writings had many readers, most
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: of these readers would soon have forgotten what they had
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: read as their minds were flooded by the massive material
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: to which the media exposed them. In order to get
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: our message before the public with some chance of making
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: a lasting impression, we've had to kill people. End quote.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing. Have you ever considered maybe this
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: is just not good and that's why it wouldn't get published.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: And he's using we.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Oh that is because he published it initially under a
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: group name called Freedom Club. So all of the WE
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: in this is him, I guess, still trying to kind
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: of hide his identity by tying this to some group
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: called Freedom Club, So that's all WE is about. But yeah,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: I agree with him that this wouldn't have gotten published
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: if he didn't kill a bunch of people, and it's
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: because it's not that compelling in most arts. And then
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: there's all the stuff about how industrial society can't be reformed,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: and he's talking about these surrogate activities people take on
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: that are never really going to see their goals through.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: So that's what this manifesto is too. Like you're just
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: saying you're spinning your fucking wheels right in this manifesto,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: but you're getting mad at everyone else for spinning their wheels.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: It's almost as if this guy was kind of crazy.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: It's just a normal bucket. Okay, it happens to have
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: poop in it.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: Maybe if he just took a little bit of great
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: of writing classes, you know, and maybe you know, wasn't
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: up his own ass.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: Studying outdated math.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what is he like, getting really good in an
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: abacus or something.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what kind of math becomes irrelevant? It's like the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: foundational science of the language of the universe?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: And who decided is there just a math committee that
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: was like, you know what, fuck that math, we don't
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: need it anymore. I did find this bit near the
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: end kind of terrifying, but not because of Ted Kaczinski.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Here goes. Prior to that final struggle, the revolutionaries should
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: not expect to have a majority of the people on
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: their side. History is made by active, determined minorities, not
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: by the majority, which seldom has a clear and consistent
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: idea of what it really wants. Until the time comes
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: for the final push toward revolution, the task of revolutionaries
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: will be less to win the shallow support of the
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: majority than to build a small core of deeply committed people.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: As for the majority, it will be enough to make
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: them aware of the existence of the new ideology and
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: remind them of it frequently. End quote. That is fucking
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Trump supporters in this country, or more specifically, Christian nationalists.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: We just did an episode about a documentary called Bad Faith,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: which is about Christian nationalism in this country, and that's
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: their whole thing. They ask a guy at the end
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: of that, well, how do you and the left like
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: bridge things and move forward? And he's like, you don't
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: bridge things with evil. They have to be destroyed. And
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: that's a small minority group. But I mean, Handmaid's Tale
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: isn't a documentary, but a small minority group in that
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: series that causes all that Handmaid's Tale shit. And that
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: is what Christian nationalists want in this country. And it
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: feels like they're at that point because they are so
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: deeply tied to the president now, like they're right at
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: the fucking door. Now, they just got to start killing
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: people and then the mission will be complete.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's true. I mean I think that
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: the tech oligarch they have a different agenda. So we'll
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: see how it plays out.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's the thing. Maybe tech bros Will save us.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think they'll save us. I just think
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: that there might be like an internal war between the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: two of them.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see there being some friction within the
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Trump administration. But yeah, Ted Kaczinski he was arrested April third,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six after the Fed's got a tip from
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: his brother. He's eventually convicted, sentenced to life in prison,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: committed suicide in prison in twenty twenty three. Rats, what's the.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Rush he had? He had terminal cancer. That's why he
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: killed himself, did he? Yeah?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, so, like he was enjoying life in prison up
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: to that point.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: It was probably right and getting his fucking books out there, right,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: he got a bublsher.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: He's like, I'm finally venturing into fiction. I'm having so
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: much fun with it. Well, these are all fiction, honestly,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: and everything that I've read.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's the Unibomber Manifesto. I'll link to it
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: if anyone wants to read it and get radicalized in
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: a super racist way.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: It's so stupid, it'll make you less racist kind of. Yeah.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: I definitely reject the notion that the Unibomber Manifesto is
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: better reading than you would expect. It's about what I expected,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: I think. Well, I mean, I don't know. I thought
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: it was going to be better just because people have said.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: But this, Matt, it's not nearly as good as like, say,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: for instance, the Twilight series of books which were published
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: when Stephanie Meyers did that string of anthrax attacks.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: True, you think of it all that time by yourself
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: and alone, and you would have time to really come
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: up with a more concise message, you know.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he did deliver this right at the end,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: so he had his whole entire Unibomber career to write this. Also,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: couldn't it be longer? Thirty five fifty eight pages?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: Wow?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's your entire life's work. Bub Get out,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: go to a bar, hang out stuff.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: Being such a Uni bummer.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So I think that's our episode. We did it,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: Dave Connor, thank you both for doing the pod. What
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: do we have to plug before we get out of here?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: Besides the total destruction of industrial society? I would like
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: you to follow me on Blue Sky at Adam Todd
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Brown and whatever the rest of that is. That's Todd
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: with one D. I want to get off the Nazi platforms,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: so I need a decent following somewhere else first, So
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: follow me there. That's all I got, Dave, What do
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: you got to plug me?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be at the Sissyphis Brewing Company Brewing
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: Company Sisyphis. It's in Minneapolis, March seventh and eighth. Come
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: on out, there's one show a night. You're in the
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: Minneapolis area. I imagine you probably have some fans out
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: there on them, right.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've done a bunch of shows in Minneapolis.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: So I'll be there, and then you know, I'm on
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: Instagram Dave wait Comedy, and then I'm on Threads. I
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: know you just said the thing, but I just you know,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: I get that Blue Sky is probably better for the world,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: but I just don't have it in me to build
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: it up.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: I totally understand, Connor, what do you got to plug?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: You should definitely go see David sis IF's brewing. That's
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: a good club. I like that club. You can watch
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: my comedy special on my YouTube channel Connor Mxpadden and
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: listen to the Mean Boys podcast, a cavalcade of comedy fun.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: Oh shit, cavalcade.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Goddamn right, and I think that's it. Let's get the
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: fuck out of here. Dave say goodbye.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Uh hey, I want to say fuck Ted Kaczenski. How
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: about that?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: And that I concur Connor say goodbye? Who hurt Little Ted?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: Goodbye?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Everybody, we love you, but we hate Ted Kazenski.