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I Am All In…Again: The Town Meeting Has Begun (Season 1 E7 “Kiss and Tell”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in again. Oh, let's kiss you.
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  Speaker 2: I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast one
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  Speaker 1: eleven productions, iHeartRadio Media and iHeart Podcasts. And today we
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  Speaker 1: are recapping season one episode seven, Kiss and Tell, and
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  Speaker 1: I am joined by a major part of my in
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  Speaker 1: traffid crew, Suzanne French. Welcome Susanne. Nice to see you again.
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  Speaker 1: How are you?
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  Speaker 4: Good to see you too.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonnlike hotcakes. Let's synopsize and get into this pre
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  Speaker 1: terrific episode.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead, Seasan, Okay, yeah, this is a this is
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  Speaker 4: a fun one. So this is season one episode seven,
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  Speaker 4: Kiss and Tell. It aired on November sixteenth, two thousand.
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  Speaker 4: Dean kisses Rory for the first time, and though she's
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  Speaker 4: hesitant to tell her mom, Lane's mother reveals it when
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  Speaker 4: Laurel Life visits the furniture shop. Meanwhile, the townsfolk pester
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  Speaker 4: Luke for not decorating his coffee shop for Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 1: And director Rodman Flender and written by Jenji Cohan. So
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  Speaker 1: this is a non Palladino written episode, non directed Palladino episode,
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  Speaker 1: very very interesting. We are waiting for Michael Winters, who
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  Speaker 1: played Taylor Docie. He will be joining us, hopefully, hopefully. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: but Suzanne and I have very tight schedules and we
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  Speaker 1: got to go, go, go, go, go go go. So
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  Speaker 1: here we go. All right. We start out at Luke's
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  Speaker 1: diner and Taylor is really stressed that Luke won't decorate
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  Speaker 1: his diner for the holidays. Uh, Suzanne, what did you
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  Speaker 1: think of this? I I I thought it was a
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  Speaker 1: terrific opening, and really it's the spirit of the show.
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  Speaker 1: It was great.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is the first time that we see Taylor,
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  Speaker 4: and so it's just yet another uh, you know, one
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  Speaker 4: of the characters in the fabric of the town. So
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  Speaker 4: we've we've met Kirk, We've met miss Patty. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's just like a new layer, you know, kind
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  Speaker 4: of in that in that parfait of stars.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 4: So I thought it was a great scene.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 4: It was funny, you know, the whole underwear thing, and
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  Speaker 4: and Luke finishes the scene with don't sit on any
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  Speaker 4: cold benches. Like I just it was great. It was
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  Speaker 4: a great opening.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was the right amount. It wasn't Luke
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  Speaker 1: being too angry at Taylor, just a bit annoyed. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, for me, that was the that's the right
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  Speaker 1: temperature for this show. If it gets anymore, I kind
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  Speaker 1: of like that's a little much there, but really funny.
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  Speaker 1: And Lauren was funny with waiving the dollar you who,
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  Speaker 1: the cuts back. It was just it was just kind
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  Speaker 1: of a perfect opening scene. Yeah. I think the funny
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  Speaker 1: line coming out of that is Rory blairing out my
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  Speaker 1: mom's not wearing any underwhere. It's not your typical sort
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  Speaker 1: of small town show, is it, right, Just filled with
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  Speaker 1: quippi great lines. All right, now, why don't you take
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  Speaker 1: this one? This is the kiss, So go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: take this one.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. So then it goes to the market, and I think,
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  Speaker 4: we don't we don't maybe well maybe we do. We
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  Speaker 4: don't know that that's Taylor's market. Like we've we've had
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  Speaker 4: scenes in the market before, but we haven't had any
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  Speaker 4: tailor scenes. So now we go to the market. There's
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  Speaker 4: a funny little thing about pop versus soda, cute little thing,
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  Speaker 4: and then he's got the soda cans in his hand.
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  Speaker 4: He just leaned forward, leans forward and kisses her and
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  Speaker 4: kind of like knocks her off for access a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: And then we have you know, that iconic corn starch
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  Speaker 4: scene where she's she's she shop lifts the cornstarch, and
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  Speaker 4: then I loved that scene. So talking about how this
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  Speaker 4: was a different director, there was some really interesting camera
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  Speaker 4: work in this episode that we did not see in
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  Speaker 4: other episodes. And so there was that really good shot
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  Speaker 4: of her running across the square. She runs from the
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  Speaker 4: market all the way across the square to missus Kim's
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  Speaker 4: antiques in a single take, like in a single shot,
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  Speaker 4: and I thought that was pretty cool because the whole
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  Speaker 4: time I'm thinking, so that must that must mean like
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  Speaker 4: there's no track or anything. So the cameraman is running also.
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  Speaker 1: So they can set up a railroad track for the camera,
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  Speaker 1: but it was kind of a long shot. Steady cam.
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  Speaker 1: Steve was one of the best steady cam guys around.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Steve Clancy and yeah, maybe it was a
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  Speaker 1: steady cam Steve shot because she.
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  Speaker 4: The distance that she runs, I don't know how they
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  Speaker 4: could have done it on a track or even like
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  Speaker 4: with a crane, like without you seeing something. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it literally was like all the way across. So I
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  Speaker 4: just loved that, and I you know, hopefully for Alexis's sake,
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  Speaker 4: they got it in one or two takes so she
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  Speaker 4: didn't have to keep running.
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  Speaker 1: Years old, she had plenty of wind, let me tell you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to be joined now by uh, Michael Winters.
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  Speaker 1: He's in the waiting room, so he's gonna come in.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about Rory running across the town square where
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  Speaker 1: a dean has just kissed.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, that's just an iconic scene that sets the
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  Speaker 4: whole rest of the season in motion.
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  Speaker 3: Kiss.
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  Speaker 1: You know, these first couple of episodes, these first seven
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  Speaker 1: episodes so far, there's a lot of footage taken out
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  Speaker 1: of these first seven episodes for the title sequence of
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  Speaker 1: the show. I've noticed, and you know, there's three or
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  Speaker 1: four shots just like like just from episode six, that
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  Speaker 1: wonderful episode six, there's a couple there's some really iconic scenes,
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  Speaker 1: you know, edited into the the title sequences. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: just just wonderful stuff. Wonderful stuff. And then she, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she runs headlong into uh, you know, where does she
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  Speaker 1: go when she's all at Twitter?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: She she runs into Lane's come in.
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  Speaker 4: She heads straight for her best friends, Like that's what
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  Speaker 4: sixteen year old girls do?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 4: She doesn't run to her mother. She runs to her
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  Speaker 4: best friend and kind of got caught off guard by
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  Speaker 4: missus Kim being there. And when she appears out of
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  Speaker 4: nowhere and says, who kissed you?
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  Speaker 1: Is that? Michael Winners?
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  Speaker 2: That is hello, sir, Hi, how are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing great, You're looking fantastic. Thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for joining us too. It's been too long, my friend.
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  Speaker 2: I know it is.
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  Speaker 1: I hope you're doing well. Yeah, you're in good spirits.
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  Speaker 1: You're looking fantastic. And we're into the uh we're into
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  Speaker 1: the episode now, yeah, I hear you. So we're at
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  Speaker 1: the point where Dean kisses Rory and then Rory runs
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  Speaker 1: into missus Kim. What do you what do you like it?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about the episode so far? Michael?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's great and I think that shot
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  Speaker 2: is particularly cool, that traveling shot. That follows her all
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  Speaker 2: the way right right, it's movie time, not TV. It's
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  Speaker 2: it's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: That's got to be a steady camp shot, don't you think.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, it's very it works, it's very steady,
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's a great for early in the the
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  Speaker 2: whole series. It's great to see that much of the town,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just in that one shot. It's also familiar
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  Speaker 2: to me now you know that there was a time
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  Speaker 2: when one question I have about it is, I think
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  Speaker 2: there's a scene that we shot that never made it.
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  Speaker 2: In my memory of the very first day that I worked,
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  Speaker 2: of all times, was me trying to sneak some pumpkins
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  Speaker 2: onto the front steps of the cafe and you come
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  Speaker 2: out and catch on and we have our first sort
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  Speaker 2: of headbutt. And I remember that very clearly because I
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  Speaker 2: think it's the first thing I ever shot on that show. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: And I was waiting for it, and it never happened,
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  Speaker 2: And I must have got cut because I never watched
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  Speaker 2: the show originally when it came out, so so I
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  Speaker 2: was a little surprised that that that that went away.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm sure there's lots of stuff that went away,
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  Speaker 2: but that was I do.
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  Speaker 1: Remember that that would have been a great scene.
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  Speaker 4: I feel deprived as a viewer.
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  Speaker 2: It was very short, very small, which was great. It
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  Speaker 2: was a great start for me, you know, to just
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  Speaker 2: dive in to this not having any idea because when
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  Speaker 2: I read the before I auditioned, I read the script
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  Speaker 2: for the first show, and I wasn't sure what the
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  Speaker 2: comedy level of the of their take was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and so I'm starting in thinking, Okay, what exactly are
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  Speaker 2: they looking for. It took me a while to sort
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  Speaker 2: of catch on to what the flavor was that they
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  Speaker 2: that they wanted. And then somebody's told me early on
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  Speaker 2: that what they'd sort of based the idea on wash
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  Speaker 2: those crazy thirties comedy movies. Yeah, and those I knew,
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  Speaker 2: and that that really gave me a clue. The gen
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  Speaker 2: Arthur films, Yeah, all of that, right, and bringing up
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  Speaker 2: baby and you know that kind of stuff, right right, right.
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  Speaker 2: So so that was my first toe in the water.
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  Speaker 2: That seems I was a little surprised it wasn't there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll try to unearth it somehow.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like Taylor is one of those characters that
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  Speaker 4: was just firing on all cylinders from the beginning. Like
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  Speaker 4: some characters they take a little bit to kind of
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  Speaker 4: settle into their role, but Taylor was like spot on
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  Speaker 4: from the beginning. So thank you for that because it was.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how just lucky. I guess, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a little while to probably that first episode it was
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  Speaker 2: it got clear and you know how nostalgic it is
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  Speaker 2: now to look back at all all of that, all
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  Speaker 2: the stores and you know, the hole set up there,
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  Speaker 2: and thinking back to when it was my first time
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  Speaker 2: on there was kind of fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of great, really fantastic. All right, So now
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  Speaker 1: Rory is with Laane and missus Kim's says, I got kissed,
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  Speaker 1: and then missus missus Kim pops up and said, you
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  Speaker 1: got kissed.
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  Speaker 2: Some old furniture, right right.
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  Speaker 1: And now Rory's a little word to tell Lorelai obviously,
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  Speaker 1: so and we're staying in Kim's antiques, uh, to discuss
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  Speaker 1: it further with Lreli coming in grabbing her chair after
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  Speaker 1: she'd purchased six weeks prior. And one of the most
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  Speaker 1: hilarious scenes thus far in season one was between these two,
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  Speaker 1: miss Kim and Laurel. I mean, just just take us
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  Speaker 1: through at Suzanne.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, so Lurlay bought a chair six weeks ago,
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  Speaker 4: and much to missus Kim's Dismay, did not take it
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  Speaker 4: home with her. She just paid for it and left there.
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  Speaker 4: And then missus Kim reveals that Laura that Rory was
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  Speaker 4: kissed by the boy in the grocery store. Laurrela, I
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  Speaker 4: kind of connected and that yeah, that was that kind
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  Speaker 4: of you know, took took her for a loop. And
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  Speaker 4: then she left without the chair. Again.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if we're supposed to think this, but
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  Speaker 2: I thought, you know, in the real uh location, the
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  Speaker 2: antique store is about two doors down from Laura's house.
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  Speaker 2: M h. If you know that, you know, it's like
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  Speaker 2: you could have right behind your.
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  Speaker 1: Right on the lot at Warner Brothers. Yea, it was
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  Speaker 1: two doors down.
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  Speaker 2: It's all it's all that same block.
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  Speaker 1: Right right. Miss is Kim just disapproves of lorele I
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  Speaker 1: so much. I mean, the way she talks to her
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  Speaker 1: that the evil of the kiss is kissing.
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  Speaker 4: Kissing, you know, where we buy our food.
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  Speaker 1: But that was the line of this thing, kissing a
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  Speaker 1: boy where we buy our foot.
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  Speaker 2: God, we're going to be poisoned now by the oh
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  Speaker 2: so right. She's very funny.
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  Speaker 1: It's very Oh my goodness, the.
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  Speaker 2: Own of the whole show is right there. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's episode six already. But I remember that the pilot
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  Speaker 2: wasn't shot on the Warners.
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  Speaker 1: Lot, right, No, no, Toronto.
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  Speaker 2: It was in Canada, so that when you look at
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  Speaker 2: that episode, it's it doesn't compute because it's another place.
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  Speaker 2: So it's really great. I think by episode what six
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  Speaker 2: or seven that is we're talking about, you're really getting
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  Speaker 2: used to where you're going to spend the next seven years, right.
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  Speaker 1: Right, the California Golden Lighting. Yeah, yeah, but you can't
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  Speaker 1: really do much about and Canada. When we shooting it
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  Speaker 1: was you know that it was cloudy, it was a
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  Speaker 1: little call, you know, it was fall it was it
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  Speaker 1: was what northeastern weather should be like.
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  Speaker 2: Except on Gilmore Girls. There was. There was just a
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  Speaker 2: cartoon in The New Yorker a couple of weeks ago
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  Speaker 2: of a guy and his girl walking through a park
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  Speaker 2: and leave's falling and everything, and he says to her,
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  Speaker 2: don't you just love these Gilmore Girls days? Gilgirls is
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  Speaker 2: a punchline. Now, yeah, that's.
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  Speaker 4: How much it's worked its way into the popular culture exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so now we have some some what
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  Speaker 1: we call kiss chat at Luke's diner, and this is
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  Speaker 1: the first Stars hollow Town event. We we really get
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  Speaker 1: to see the Pilgrim's outfits that Lane and Roy are wearing,
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  Speaker 1: all the decorations around the town. The girls chat and
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  Speaker 1: they're giddy. Feeling is very relatable to small town America.
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  Speaker 1: And we learned that Lane got set up by her parents,
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  Speaker 1: got a kiss on the forehead. That's really the extent
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  Speaker 1: of her experience. But you know, and the question is
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  Speaker 1: how does Lane know so much about Dean? Right? And
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  Speaker 1: and you know Luke is always grumpy, but care's Laurel.
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  Speaker 1: I can't stop staring at Rory. Let's go through this
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. The two friends dressed as a pilgrim
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  Speaker 1: women a very very funny visual. Yeah, yeah, they were.
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  Speaker 4: They were taking donations or something and so just kind
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  Speaker 4: of dressed up for the theme. So that that was
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  Speaker 4: that was cute, and that the whole conversation. Having once
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  Speaker 4: been a teenage girl myself, I liked that scene because
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  Speaker 4: it was cute. It's like, that's the kind of stuff
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  Speaker 4: you do with your friends and you chat about boys,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, Lane's been talking to Dean's best friend Todd,
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  Speaker 4: and we're going to meet him in a later episode.
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  Speaker 4: But so she's getting all this intel that she can
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  Speaker 4: then tell Rory about about Dean. So that was that
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  Speaker 4: was so typical.
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  Speaker 2: Is this the first episode that Dean is in.
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  Speaker 4: The pilot?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't go back all the way. I just
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  Speaker 2: watched the episode right right. I couldn't. I couldn't place that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in time. I just wondered.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously a lot of interest among the everybody in town.
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  Speaker 2: He's always referred to as the new guy, the new guy,
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  Speaker 2: the new kid. Yeah, everybody wants to know everything. Well.
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  Speaker 2: The funny one I think is when Asuki comes in
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  Speaker 2: bringing the pizza and doesn't want to leave, right, she
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  Speaker 2: wants a little more uh you know, news before she goes.
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  Speaker 2: That was I thought that was very funny.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean because it's that's a big thing in
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  Speaker 4: Rory's life, like this is her first romance. Yeah, you now,
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  Speaker 4: the first time she's expressed you know, she's been so
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  Speaker 4: studious and bookish and so focused on school and now
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  Speaker 4: she's starting to kind of broaden her horizons a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: So everybody wants to see what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 2: The mom certainly doesn't want when she finds out that
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  Speaker 2: there's a boy in the thing, that she doesn't want
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  Speaker 2: that to distract from the hull from Rory's typical thing
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  Speaker 2: that that's really important to her. Right, having a boyfriend,
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  Speaker 2: that's great, but boy, if you got to keep your
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  Speaker 2: nose to the grindstone about this.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, And she's she's lorealized nosing around the market
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  Speaker 1: to spy on Dean and look at him.
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  Speaker 2: How small is town anyway, right, seem to know?
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  Speaker 1: And then bumps into Luke, you know, Luke scares her
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  Speaker 1: from behind and does He's like, just what are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's just a kid, he's bagging groceries. He's
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  Speaker 1: you know, let's get and he takes her outside and
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  Speaker 1: they have that very funny walk and talk up back
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  Speaker 1: up to Luke's Yeah, and it just fits so well.
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  Speaker 1: I just love their relationship in the beginning because it's
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  Speaker 1: just so antagonistic almost but still sort of like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of a guy and a girl hitting each
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  Speaker 1: other in the shoulder, you know what I mean. It's
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  Speaker 1: like they're really just at that beginning sort of stage
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  Speaker 1: where there it's a little bit immature, and they're still
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  Speaker 1: kind of like they're talking to each other like they're
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  Speaker 1: teenagers almost.
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  Speaker 2: Until the end of the episode when they actually make
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  Speaker 2: a big step forward. It seems like at the very
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  Speaker 2: end there the second let us say.
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  Speaker 4: Right, right, right, And so there's a lot going on
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  Speaker 4: in loral ized head.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So during that walk and talk, she's talking about how
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  Speaker 4: Dean reminds her of Christopher. She's thinking of her and
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  Speaker 4: Rory versus her and her mother, like she's got all
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  Speaker 4: these things kind of swirling around in her head, and
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  Speaker 4: she's really kind of getting caught in the dichotomy between
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  Speaker 4: being Rory's mother and being Rory's friend, and that's kind
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  Speaker 4: that's kind of to me was really one of the
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: crux of the whole episode was she was upset from
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: the girlfriend aspect that Rory didn't tell her about the
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: kiss because she wanted to hear all about it, and
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: we see that at the end of the episode. But
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: at the same time, she's like, oh, but she's having
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: a relationship with a boy. I have to be a
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: mother about this too, So she's kind of stuck between
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: those two.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Roles, right, and Luke you know, saying, you know, look
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: of course she's going to date somebody that looks like
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Christopher because she's your daughter, you know. That's yeah, why
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: is that shocking? Yes, like he's built like him. And
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: it's like all right, So anyway, now we are getting
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: into this uh, confronting Rory thing where they both could
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: have said something to each other, but there is no
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: lecture from Laura. L I is there, which is a
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: nice not so much a pivot, but I mean they're
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: kind of setting us up for this confrontation that doesn't
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: ever happen, which is nice, right, It's like, oh right, yeah,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: she is this extraordinary mom. She does want to know why.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: But the thing is is, since she's an only child,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: why would she know why? And why not that her
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: own daughter didn't tell her, Because when she was a
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: daughter and she was pregnant, she didn't She didn't tell
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: her own mother, did she, right until the very last minute.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: So it's like apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Probably one reason why she's so nervous about it, exactly
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: she hasn't heard oh yeah, exactly to me, it was
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: a little more dire and of course.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: R right right, transferring her experience onto Rory's potential but
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: it's a completely different situations. Didn't going to.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: The worst case scenario, which is not where Rory's at
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: at all?
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Right, No, no, no, not at all.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I remember it seems like Rory is smart enough
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: to figure that out, you know that that one of
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: her responses is, what do you think I'm going to do?
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: You know? Uh, it's fine, it's fine, you know, nothing's happened.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: You just and Laura, Laurla I had a great line
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: in the scene when Rory says, so there's no lecture,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: and Laura I said something like, well, no, why did
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: you do it wrong?
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: So much good stuff?
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she is surprisingly calm and supportive, you know. So
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: all right, So now we're back in Dosie's, uh, with
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Dean and Laurela I.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, buying buying the snacks.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: For movie night, right there, right, they're buying the snacks,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and Roy doesn't really want to go in to see
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Deane again with her mother, with her mother, right right.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: She gives guidelines to Laura LI if they go in,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: right right, Uh, So they go in. She's got her instructions,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: and Laurel I seems dean, you know it says, boy,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: she tall must have been some backbender that kiss, you know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: this kind of thing, just sort of teasing her daughter.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: And then they get up to uh uh the they
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: get up to the checkout and you know, Dean notices
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: all of this junk food, right, all of this all
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: of this candy, and makes makes a comment. And then
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: what does laurel I do? What does she do? What
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: does she do? Susanne?
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Dean won a point with her because he knew that
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: it was Gene Wilder and not Gene Hackman, so that
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: was a point in his favor. But then so they
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: finished there, they make small talk and you know, Rory admits, okay,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: that wasn't terrible, that was that was okay. And then
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: they go outside and lorele I invites Dean over. Now,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: again from my experience as a former teenage girl, I
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: would have been mortified if my mother had had done that.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: That makes perfect sense. In fact, doesn't she Why is
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: it Rory there? Because it's the minute Rory goes away
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: that Laura I turns around and invites him over without
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: even thinking about it. I thought that was kind of
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know how Roy's going to react
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: to that. She's not going to like that at all
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and Rory.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Laurai couldn't understand why Rory was so mad. So this
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: is again that is she a girlfriend or is she
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: a mother? Because she's like, well what if Laane had
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: done it? And Rory's like, but you're my mother, Like Laura,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I just couldn't get why Rory was so upset.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Well, now there's a way in which Rory and laurealize
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: a relationship is different from Laurelize on her mother's Yes,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: you know that that never would have happened there, that's
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: that's her plast experience that sort of clouds her vision
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: It's the opposite. Yeah, it's the complete opposite. And you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: say what you want about you know, the advice against
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: having your a parent as your best friend.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: It really.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: You know, I think that's a bunch of horse hockey
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: because there's two of them. How are they not going
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to be friends? You know, how are they not going
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: to be close?
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, you hold basic ideas. They're so close in age, right,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: much closer than a mother and daughter would normally be.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Right if you think about it in real world terms,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, imagine a sixteen year old girl that's given birth. Yeah,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and is in this town and they're sixteen, and like,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: did Laurel I go to high school? Did she finish?
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Did she finish high school? That's one question I have?
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Or did she even get a degree?
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: She got her ged? They mentioned it in a later episode.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, right, yes, I do remember that now, Yes, but you.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Know, I know that situation from when I was like sixteen.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: It happening among my friends, you know, a pregnancy at
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: that time with kids who were a couple at school.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Suddenly she's pregnant. Wow, man, the world turns upside down
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: all over town. My time is a little bit bigger
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: than the stars hollow, but not a whole lot, right,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: And that was a thing.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just think of everything she went through
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: raising a child, having a one year old at seventeen,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: a two year old at eighteen, going through the Terrible twos,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and you're seventeen years old, you know, just remarkable, just remarkable,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: stress and confusion and you know, probably a lot of joy.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: It seems like, you know.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Well sure, but I think working through all that must
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: have been hard. Yeah, mentioned being alone with a two
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: year old, three year old until she gets old enough
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: to sort of be on her own. Rory. Now, this
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: in a way happened to me because my mother didn't work.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: She had worked, and then I was born and she
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: worked a little further. Then she got pregnant with my brother,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: and she stopped working and just came home and was
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: a mom. And boy, the first time that I was
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: able to get to school myself, you know, that I
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: could be left alone at home and would go to school.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: She went back to college and got a teaching degree
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: and started her third career. But that time before that,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I think back now on it, there was my mother
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: working and trying to take care of a kid, and
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: then only staying home and just taking care of the
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: two kids. Well my dad is working was familiar to
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: me in a way. That idea of taking care of
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: a kid by yourself. Yikes.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what parents do single parents do to
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: seconds for their children. It's quite amazing the consistency and
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the strength. I watched my mother do it too. I
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: mean she'd get up every morning and just you know,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: go to work. She'd walk to the train, rain, shine, snow,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: she'd walk to the train, take it into Philadelphia, work
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: all day, come back, make dinner. You know, just amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I must say I wish she were around still because
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: now I realized what she went through doing that, and
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: she did the same thing. She'd drive into Cleveland to
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: go to college, come back and cook for us.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Right, you know, Right, that's the amazing huge And that
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: was when my dad was there, you know, but he
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: didn't make dinner or anything like that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: But right, yeah, it's a big deal. It's a big
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: You've seen them sort of after that period, you know,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: it must have been great for LAURALI then when Rory
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: gets old enough that they can really sort of talk
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: like for this.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: So now we are getting ready Rory's wish for a
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: relaxed night right of a movie watching and candy eating,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: uh into a nerve r It kind of transforms into
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: this sort of stressful evening. It's a little nerve racking, uh,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: which I think is very easy to relate to. There's
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: there's there's a parent, there's boundaries that aren't being respected.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: But it's okay because it's these two, right, They're so
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: close that it's it's just sort of okay. And Rory's
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: not going to flip out too bad because it's her,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: you know, her mom or best friend wants to you know,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: she cares. She's there, she's involved, she's betting Dean. He's
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: a Chicago kid who wears a leather jacket. You know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you know, he could be a little shady. She's got
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: to check him out. I mean, it's okay to be
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: over protective, I guess at times.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Right, well, at least it's happening while she's there, right,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: you know, he thinks is the split, is that something
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: happens to Roy that she doesn't share with Laurli. But
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: here's this moment first date sort of quote quote but
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: she's there at least to see what's happening. They're all together,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: which is a little different. It's still stressful, God knows.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, put yourself in that position as
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: a father of a sixteen year old girl, whether you're
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: a single father or not, and yeah, you're gonna You're
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: gonna this is one of the times where Loreal is
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: required to be a dad too, right and sort of
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: check out this boy. This actually you know, very six
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: foot four boy from Chicago, like messing with my daughter.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: The dad's gonna be like, he's gonna be there, He's
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: gonna check him out before they even have a chance
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: to go out on her first date, right, or at
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: least before the first day. Come on into the study.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Let's talk, Dean, you and then then you give them
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the facts of life, says, Then your nice kid, where
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: are you from? And then let me tell you something.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: You lay a hand on her. You're gonna have to
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: deal with me in my ex collection, you know this
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. So they get to talk. Wonderful, but
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: but you know, to replace a Christopher who isn't there,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: or a dad who wasn't there, you've got Babette and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Maury and they're they're showering the kid with love and
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: he's not, you know, apparently not used to that to
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: this extent. Right, So it's a half hour they kind
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: of capture him, and Mary's in there playing some jazz.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: He goes, you want to hear another song? Kid, you
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: know this kind of thing, and Bebet's just looking up
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: at him, smiling like, you know, getting all the information
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: she can. And that poor kid is rescued by Laurel
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I sent inside and just wonderful. Sally struthers scenes Michael
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: take us through this.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: A little bit, well, Sally, you mean Sally Struthers.
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the miracle that is Sally Struthers just is her,
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: you know, just lets you into who this woman is
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: going to be for the for the next seven years.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: She's fantastic. It was one of my favorite things about
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: working on the show was getting to know she and Liz.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: And me too.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: It was just so much fun with them.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and together when they were working together and you
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: got a chance to work with them together, it was
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: it was one of the great days.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And one time, even the extracurricular Sally meantime was
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: doing that show about oh, the country singer I can't remember, Oh,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I can't remember her name, but she was doing the
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: show one Woman Show, No, it's two people, two women
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: in La and Liz and I went to see her
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: to see the show Patsy Cline. She was doing a
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: play about Patsy Cline and Sally was fantastic. And but
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: it's like we were already bonding. So the three of
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: us or the two of us went to see the
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: third one watch it. Yeah, great person. Sally Struthers really.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Just the top, top human. I mean just just just
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: support and love pouring out of her humor. I mean,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: she's she's a healing presence. Whenever you're around her, you
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: just feel better, you laugh. I mean she could, oh man,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: she could. She's amazing. Just miss her dealer, mis her dealer.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: And yeah she was great.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: They were both hoot and holl Or, weren't they.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know why, but for some reason I
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: got pretty much closest to the two of them, you know,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: in a working situation, right right right, And that's I mean,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: that is such a classic Sally Struther's moment. You know,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: she and Ted on the lawn talking about it. Just
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: great and just long enough so you get the idea
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: and you got her, you know, yeah and Ted pretty
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: much right. The story moves on.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Stay cool, kid, It's like this town is watching you,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: but it isn't scary, It isn't creepy.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Everything's there.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we just love our girl Rory because
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: we all helped raise or she's our daughter too, right right,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: And that's the beauty of stars hunt right there, right
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: there shows you the power and the beauty of a
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: small community. Here we go with movie night ses, anyone
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: to take us through it?
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah? So this you know, this for a first date.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: First dates are always awkward, but This was just like
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: next level awkward. Laurala is giving Dean a tour of
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: the house and this is a living room where we
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: do our living and then they're checking out Rory's room,
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: and you know, Rory's a little like she's kind of
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: retreating into herself. She's very nervous about him like looking
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: through her stuff. And we have the scene we talked
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: about where Suki brings the dessert because now she wants
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: to see Dean, and then Joe the pizza guy shows
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: up and there's all these people crammed into the little
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: entrance way.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Susan, did you find that a little a little odd
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: that he went in so deep into her room?
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Not necessarily because she's no she said he could go in.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: And I mean it was interesting that he's like picking
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: things up and looking at them, But I didn't think
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: it was super weird. I mean, you know, just beyond
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: the awkwardness in the first place, right, But yeah, Dean
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: was Dean was good. He was there was like almost
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: a little I don't want to say arrogance, but maybe
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: like a little cockiness that I picked up from Dean.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: But but he was Yeah, it was the leather jacket,
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: but you know, he was he was polite and then
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: he especially when he and Laurel I had the conversation
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: when Rory was out of the room. That was when
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: I was really picking up on kind of when he's like,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: is it my turn to speak a little bit of cockiness?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: There were trying to find his place, you know what,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: it's just not a situation, right, we're sort of on
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: maybe kind of our first date, but your mother's here.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: But he handles it so well, it seems yeah, yeah,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: in real life that that would have made me nervous,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Right, because he looks a polished he's like experienced in
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: this situation, he's a little young to be experienced meeting
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: you know, the mothers ofs.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: And and he really pays attention to her, I mean
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: she he really talks to her, yes, instead of just
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: finding some smooth way to get through that so we
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: can get back to Rory. You know, he makes some
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: pretty mature choices, it seems to me early on in
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: the situation where he knows Mom is probably a.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Little right dubious, and he says and he retorts back
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: to her, now it's my turn to talk, or now
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: it's my turn to speak and then he kind of
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: lays out what he lays out there, which is which
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: which bespeaks of maturity beyond his years. Yeah. Yeah, it's
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: an interesting scene.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: It really is. It's interesting she they work at so
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: that Laura, le and Dine are alone twice in the episode,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: and something really interesting happens both times. The first time,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Laura l I just on the spurm of the moment,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: invites him. You know, it's like boom when she came
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: because Rory's not there. You know what would have happen
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: if Ory had been there, maybe she wouldn't have got
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: away with that. And then again they have a real
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: conversation brief though it may be in the during movie night.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I thought that was a great advancement in terms of,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: you know, where that relationship is going to go on
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: an appointment.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Rory just stating that Dean is she finds him very
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: attractive and he's perfect and he smells amazing, and Rory's
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and you know, she's it's her first kind of you know,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: big love. I guess right.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Now as I remember this talk about what a catch
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: he is, you know, when she's talk in the lane
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: about everybody, Oh, you got the hot guy in town
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: and the new gun. You know how that makes the
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: adventure even more She's really something, so Rory doesn't want
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: to do anything to screw that up, and doesn't want
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: to do anything to screw that up before anything is
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: really even started, right.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like she's almost afraid to engage because she doesn't
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: want to mess it up.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah right.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: But I mean Dean's honest with her. You know. It's
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: like he tells her that. I mean, she tells him
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: that the whole town's watching your kid, you know, so careful,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: and then Dean says, you know, I really like your daughter.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: He confesses this right up front. Yeah, and you know
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: he also goes on and this is another example of
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: his maturity. He makes a great point about Laurel. I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: not liking him will translate into Rory not liking him.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: So it's like, give me a chance. And maybe that's
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: the part where he's been through this before, so now
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: he knows what to say. Yeah, I don't want to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: go through this again. I really like this girl, and
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: you just got to give me a chance. And I
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I know I come off like I'm this, you know,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I'm a cocky sort of city kid, and I'm in
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: this small town and I have a little bit of
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: an edge to me, and I have my jacket and
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, right, But it's like, hey, you know, lady,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: you're feeling okay. You know your daughter's not going to
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: like me if you don't like me, So let's let's
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: let's work this out, right.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he knows that Laura I can bring the
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: whole town down on him.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he wants to make it work. Oh yeah,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: she pushes one button. It's over for him, right. But really,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: you know, imagine being eighteen and this is kind of
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: your first gig, as it was for Jared, and he's,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: you know, here he is with you know this this
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: great actress and the two of these great actresses, and
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: you know, standing his ground. You know, he's holding his
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: own in these situations. You know, it's exciting to see
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: go back and see in an eighteen year old Jared
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Pedalchi and how talented he started out and just all
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the great potential.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: First thing he did, I.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Don't know if it's the first, but I mean he
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: was just on a host to be legend. Being out
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: of high school and being in that situation. I mean
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Alexis had the same experience. She was in college. I
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: think she was a freshman in college, so she was
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: a little farther along. But he he came right out
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: of high school and there he is. What a career,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: What a career?
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Now we're we're sort of at the end of the
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: night and they're sitting outside on the porch, Dean and Rory,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: and there's that and he genuinely had a good time,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: and he tells her that, you know, he genuinely had
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: a good time, so he doesn't appear to be turned
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: off or stressed and oh, your mother's a paint, no,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: no of that stuff. Yeah, And I think he respects
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Laura I and he likes her, and he likes obviously
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: likes Rory a great deal. So it's a good situation
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: for him. He feels comfortable because these are you know,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Laura I probably reminds him of where he comes from,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: because she's tough as nails. Underneath it. It's like, don't
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: mess with her, and she she said it in the
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: sweetest way, but she's she's like Mills Laye in the
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: boxing referee. I'm firm but fair, all right. Just so
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: then they kiss again and that's really quite sweet, right, yeah, and.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: A real advance. It seems like another stat for them.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: M h m hmm.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: It makes you look forward to next Okay, where's that
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: going to go? Next episode or whatever? Yeah? Right?
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: And what was it that Laura I said to Rory
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: about her conversation with Dean that made Rory suspect that
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: she was lying to her because she asked her right,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: she asked, what did you guys talk about?
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: What did you tell him?
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: What did you tell him? What you talk about? Right?
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: And what did she tell him to talk about? Because
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: she didn't tell the truth. She didn't say I was
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: laying down the law. She didn't say that, you know, Dean,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: you know, wanted a level playing field to be judged fairly.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: She didn't say this kid's wise beyond his years, she
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: finally says, She finally confesses that she wanted to know
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: about the kiss, you know, that's all. And she says
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: that to Rory upstairs. And it's kind of a perfect ending,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: isn't it, Where it's like, finally, finally, finally Laura I
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: gets what she wants because you know, she said, and
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I to Dean, I always get what I want, right,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I want to like you, and I always get what
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I want. So that's kind of like an nice way
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: of being a badass. And Roy says down and tells
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: her all about the kiss with you know, real connection
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: to mom. And now now it's full on girlfriend time
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: and it's not mother daughter time.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: It's right.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Right now, Now it goes back into.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: This anymore, it's right, yeah, yeah.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: And what I what I think is really great about
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the writing is they cut us off there. It's like,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you know when to cut into a scene, cut in
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: as late as possible, and get out of a scene
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: as early as possible. And that is a perfect example
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: of that. Get out of that scene because we already
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: we already know what she's going to say. You know,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: it's joyful, We get the point.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: It's it's just the sense of them together. It's not
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: what they're talking about. But it's like they've reached the
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: point of greeting a meeting, right, you know that right,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: just sort of a lapse before that it wasn't the
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: kiss was not brought to mother, and that it is
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: and now that down now that can be friends about
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: it instead of mom and daughter, right.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: And I noticed in the beginning of that scene where
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: it's just Laurel I laying on the bed and she's
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: laying there with their hand behind her head, and then
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Rory comes in and lays down next to her and
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: puts her hand behind her head, like the two of
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: them were just laying there in exactly the same position.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: So you really had that visual cue that, Okay, everything's
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: back in sync.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Now, right, wonderful storytelling visually dialogue Acinali. It's just wonderful, wonderful,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: wonderful storytelling.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: And again, although it's just that sixth episode, seventh episode,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: it's still sort of early. When you think of the
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: whole stretch of the series, A lot is getting moving
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: in it. You know that are going to be long
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: lines in the stories.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Mm hm oh yeah, yeah, these narratives are being Yeah,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: they're being constructed.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine how people do that lay out, you know,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: a whole season or something, let alone. How do we
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: break this up into hour loan things and still maintain
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: the forward motion of a whole bunch of stories?
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: You know what I think it is. I'm going to
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: take a shot at trying to explain this because I've
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: experienced this before as a writer. Okay, I'm not a
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: television writer. I've never had anything purchased or produced, but
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I've written a bunch of screenplays for films, about fifteen
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: of them. And yeah, yeah, I mean that was in
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the nineties, in the early two thousands. But you know,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I read all the books. I tried and failed, and
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I went about it in all kinds of
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: different ways. But what the great writers tell you to
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: do is to have your idea and have a character,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: because where does plot emanate from it? It emanates from character.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: And if you have if you get a plot first
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: and then try to plut insert characters, it's very wooden
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: and very stiff and hollow. So great storytelling is great characters.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: So what I did was is I thought of a character.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I had this great character, and I thought about it
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: for a while, and I put it on as an
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: index card, put it up on my wall, and then
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I did that with all that, and then I thought
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: about the story, and I thought about that character and
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: a story, A little bit of a past emerged and
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: a story. And I did that with a bunch of
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: other characters that popped up sort of organically from the
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: original thought of this character. And then it took about
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: a year for that wall to be filled up with character,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: and then a story's started to form, and I thought
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: about the story more, and then the story was becoming
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: more and more and more specific and real, and and
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: then the characters actually came to life and started talking
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: to me. And I know, I sound it sounds crazy,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: but to go about it in that way and not
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: write a first draft until the characters are screaming at you,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: we're ready, write this down and let's go, because it
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: really just has to sort of, you know, it has
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: to sort of vomit out of you a first draft
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: and you got to get it all down on paper.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: And I got a first draft down in like three days,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: and I didn't sleep. I just wrote, wrote. I still
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: have that first draft. It's the best thing I've ever written.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I don't want to mess with it because it's so
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: precious to me, and I know I have to. You know,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: what they say is, you know, cut out your favorite
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: parts of that. If it doesn't propelled the story forward,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: it might be really good writing, but it doesn't have
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: anything to do with pushing the narrative forward. And it
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: actually works that way, So I think that's what Amy
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: and Dan might do is that they have these characters.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: They have this ability to these characters really come alive
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: for them, and they follow them around from season to
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: see so per episode to episode because they're truly sensitive beings.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: They're truly super intelligent, super well read, creative, free people,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: and they have this ability to create character too, and
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: the characters are very real to them. These characters are
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: very real, and I think it might even be a
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: little easier after you see, Like imagine Amy and Dan
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: watching the pilot. They've never seen the characters come to
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: life before visually speaking. Now they get to see them,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: so that's even more feedback and more information that they get.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: So maybe it's a little easier to write for these
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: characters now. Anyway, that's just one way from what I
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: learned about screenwriting from the great screenwriters to go try
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: to attempt to go about it because it has to
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: be real to you and they have to be alive,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: and it all starts from one character, and I think
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: it started from Loralai. I think that's the one character
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: they created, and it's like, what if it's about this
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: girl who was pregnant, and then the rest just sort
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: of emanates from there, and then the whole plot just
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: pours out of Loralai from there and that that's the storytelling.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: So anyway, I don't know that I'll ever work on
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: that screenplay again. It's a lot of work.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Now, have you taken it around? I mean, have you
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: tried to sell.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: It on a first draft?
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: No?
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: I mean no, I mean it's first drafts, not ready
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: to be out in the marketplace.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: But you don't feel compelled to take another crack out
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: of time.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: I have thought about it, Yeah, yeah, I have thought
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: about it. That's finding the time to do it. You know.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: It takes a lot out of you to do that.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I mean it's well if you if all you do
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: is write and not never sleep, I can understand that.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's one hundred percent focus. I mean,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: you can't really be thinking about anything else or doing
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: anything else, and it's your button, a seat in a
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: room by yourself for yeah, weeks, weeks and months of end.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: And it's hard to being an actor. You you almost
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: always accept in rare exceptions, you have other people to
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: deal with, you know, and that had that gets you
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: get a lot of input from that, you know. But
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: the other people do, just by yourself in the middle
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: of all this. That's why I always writers just fascinate
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: me that they can go in a room, like you say,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: lock the door and come up with something. You know,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: we start way farther down the list, you know, where
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: there's something really to grab onto you. You're you're creating
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: around something that's already there, you know, right, just pulling
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: it out of the air.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, yeah, sure. We as actors are interpretive.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: We interpret right, we're interpretive artists. It's our and we
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: look for unique and original choices that no one's done before.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Or we're just you know, we're so interesting as people
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: to begin with that we just play ourselves and you
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: better be pretty damn interesting if you're going to do that.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: So we got to learn to act anyway. Michael, it's
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: been a pleasure.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's so great to see you and.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: A pleasure to see you boy.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: To go back and look at that, I hadn't looked
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: at those for years. I may have to go look
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: at the form because the next thing that happens is,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: uh that that David Huddleston was in the in the
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: preview for the next episode, and I remember that was
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: the episode where we were out all night long in
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: the fake snow doing that thing. That had all great
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: stories about that one too. Yeah, tremendous you're thinking of me.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just great to to dive back into
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: that after all this time. People still talk about it.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I mean people stop me on the street. A woman
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: faced me out of a restaurant day before. Yes, are
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: you Michael Winters said? Are you a Gilmore Girls fan? Yes?
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: It goes on and on and on.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Well, it's your voice, you know, it's your look and
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: your voice.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Well, I think so. I was in a play here
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: once and that there were a bunch of kids who
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: were just out of high school who were in a chorus,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: and if one guy came up and he said, I
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: thought I didn't even know who you were until I
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: heard your voice. I didn't even see you, and I
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: heard your voice and I knew who you were. Wow.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Well, look I have some I have some really good
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: news for everybody. Michael Winter It's going to be joining
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: us eighteen at the Warner Brothers Studios. I Am All
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: In Again Live podcast from Warner brother Studios. They're building
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: is a stage. It's two thousand people are going to
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: be there. Lucky fans. You got their tickets in time.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: And everybody else is gonna have to stream it and
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be fine too.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: How many of us are going to be there, people
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: from the show.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's gonna be uh. Well, we're announcing one at
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: a time.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: I just announced Greg Henry and now I'm announcing you.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: We're doing it. We're doing it on the air, so
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: to speak. Yeah, and uh, it's just going to be
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: so much fun.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Time forward to it.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Wow, two thousand, it's gonna be great. All right, buddy,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: It was great.
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: We had.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: We had a lot of fun catching up with you
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: and and and uh we will see you very soon. Okay,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: less than a month. We're going to be hanging out
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: again at Warner Brothers and I'll be there and and
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: doing our podcast thing. Okay, buddy, all right, I'll see
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: you then.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, Thank you, Thank you so much.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Be welcome you to see you soon. And that's going
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: to do it from us, Suzanne, thank you so much.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: That was good.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Best fans on the planet bar none. We're going to
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: see you December eighteenth.
• 54:24
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• 54:27
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• 54:30
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• 55:00
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